June 3, 2024 • 40 mins
Jana reunites with her One Tree Hill co-star Austin Nichols! They’ve teamed up on Jana’s new movie “Gaslit by My Husband” and they share every detail from being on a set together again!
Jana reveals the hardest scene to film in this emotional new movie and why it brought her and Austin closer than ever before.
We find out how Austin REALLY feels about playing “the bad guy” in a lot of his roles, and we hear if he’d return for a OTH reboot!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi girl, Hi Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
So this is going to be a fun episode because
we are bringing Austin Nichols on the show because next Sunday,
our movie Gaslet is coming out on Lifetime, so I
thought it would be awesome to kind of chat with
him about the movie and just all things Gaslet by
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my husband.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm excited to watch it.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm so excited, which sounds terrible because it's like a
really correct, like tough subject line, but like I love
movies like that. I'm also really excited proud of you. Yeah,
I'm really excited to see you in that kind of role,
like I got as Preston. We watched the trailer and
I was like, damn it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Cre great job, Cramer, Like I.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Just couldn't, like I was because it's so different than
anything I've seen you do, but so good.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Like I'm just really excited.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The trailer is scary, I know, I know, And it
was hard too because I wanted so Jolie's obviously in
the movie, she plays my daughter. I wanted to show
her the trailer, but I'm like, man, this this is
really scary. But I also wanted her to see.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That she's been there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I was like, hey, baby, do you want to
see the trailer for the movie. But before I press play,
I just I need you to remember this is just
a story, and this is remember how I had to
kind of talk to her about what was happening in
so she got the context of it, like when she'd
run in and we were fighting or something, and I'd
always when we'd cut, I'm like, are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That was just make believe, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So it was tough. Yeah, that is tough, I know.
But when she watched it, she's like, that's scary, and
I was like.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I know, but I was like, I was trying to
balance that line was.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
A little Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Even my twelve year old was like, oh, this is
so scary. I was like, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's funny though, because not funny. But when we were
filming one of the scenes, it was a scene where
you guys will obviously on Sunday you'll see it. Hopefully
you watch and tune into Lifetime. But the scene where
we end up leaving the house and I've got the
bags packed, Austin and I were joking about something and
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Jolie's like, Mommy, it's serious. Time get serious. And I
was like, okay, girl, I love get in your role. Yeah,
I was like, she's like amateur. That was like the
you know, her second week, so she was getting I
was just so proud of her confidence. It's great, amazing
she did. But that was just funny because she was
schooling me.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Does Jolie want to do more movies?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now she does? She actually has a meeting with an agent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So I'm really proud of her because this is something
where again I feel like she kind of stepped into
her confidence and so that made me really happy to
watch as a mom. Even cried like a lot of
kids couldn't do that. No, No, a lot I could
not do that. I mean, I have three. I'm pretty
sure that so far. But I mean, but again, all
kids excel at different things. Yeah, kids are sports phenomenons,
(03:02):
you know what I mean. Jolie, can you know that
can't do a cartwheel?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know what I mean? So it's like they're all different.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I couldn't do a cartwheel either, non actress, just trying
to find a spot.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Still forty two.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They do, but I am really excited. It's weird because
I'm I'm kind of like how you said, Kat, I'm
it's it's weird to be excited for a movie like
this because it is someone's story that I was telling,
but also it's not And I talked to Morgan because
this is the stories based on Morgan Metz. Her her
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her husband tries to kill her. And when I talked
to her, you know, it was I was so careful
of my words too, because it was just I wanted
to be sensitive to the situation. But she also knew
my domestic abuse background, and so you know, she was
just like, this isn't just for me. I did this
for everybody else in which we had that conversation because
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when I got the offer, I told Lifetime I wanted
to do like a little background. I told the head
of Lifetime that I really wanted to do something in
the domestic abuse space and then you know, be able
to shed light some light on that. And when this
came about, I was just like, Wow, this hits close
to home with some of the things that happen. And
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so when I talked to Morgan, you know, that's and
that's when I told my therapist. I was like, and
I told you. We even talked about on here. I
was like, I don't know if I want to tap
back into that because I've already done, like there's just
so much emotion. Well I'll even be able to bring
the emotion out. And that's when you know. I sat
on here again. My therapist was like, it's not for you.
And then when Morgan and I talked about it too,
she was saying, you know, this is for the women
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that can't get out of that relationship and that need
to see this, that need to see because I think
even if it's not the physical abuse, the abuse that
comes with the gas lighting is so much too. Because
I remember, I mean, I'm sure we've all been in
a situation where you just question your sanity and you're like, wait,
but I I know what just happened, But then you're
(05:02):
saying it didn't happen, and then you just feel like
you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I grew up in a very tumultuous house, and I
don't and I will be careful to what I share,
but I would say that this, like watching you on here,
a lot of that resonates because the gaslighting is so real.
I mean, you don't even know that it's happening, and
it's a slow chip away. I think a lot for women. Yeah,
(05:25):
I mean I've been in relationships too where I've gone like,
but wait, that's actually not reality. Like it's almost weird
when you have to stand in a truth and say
that is that's actually not what's happening. I'm not gonna
let you say that to me, even if you're not
saying that out loud in your brain, because it gets
so tangled up and enmeshed and crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But it's just so hard to know.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Like I mean, I it wasn't the only gaslighting relationship.
But then when I look back, I'm like, it's just
crazy how they try to twist the reality and twist
what's actually happening.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
The narrative becomes their narrative.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we know that it happened. You know,
you you would sit there and watch it happen, right,
You're like no, yeah, And I'm like and Catherine's trying
to but no matter how much Catherine could then tell
me something, I'm the one that's being like, said all
this information, I'm like, no, nothing, he did nothing, he
did nothing wrong, And you're submerged and you're like, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I think too. It'll be interesting to watch it
from a point of view. I I don't know that
I can truly think maybe a family relationship, but I
don't know that I can truly pinpoint a major gas
lighting relationship in my life, if I'm being completely honest.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You're such a sturd actin so I.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Mean, maybe mom to an extent, but like I would
have never thought of it that way, you know, but
I truly don't think I could. But it'll be interesting
to watch it from that perspective, have like having only
seen other people go through it, but I think it'll
be it'll be interesting to watch, and I think it'll
be really important for people who have been in that situation,
(07:02):
but people who haven't to really kind of understand more
about people who are in that situation. Like there were
times with me with you, I'm like I can't, like
I can't, you know, not to be mean, but it
was kind of like, how does she not see this?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I can only do so much? What do I say?
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You know?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But when it's your life and your subb it's and
I've learned that so much now yet I think it's
very important for people who maybe haven't seen it, who
haven't been in that relationship, to see how it messes
with the victim and how how they you know, how
they see it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I just I'm interested to see and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
How they take it on as it's their fault.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Absolutely, they're they're to blame or they're the ones that
did X, Y and Z. And even if you were,
I mean, because like I just said, how you're so
emotionally and you're you're so strong. I feel even though
I mean, even the people that are strong, they still
it can easily just the comments can easily start to
chip away at people. Sure, And that's where there are
(07:58):
certain things. When I was watching back the movie because
I saw the rough cut, even when he asked, He's like,
why didn't you pick up the kids, It's like, well,
I I didn't. You didn't ask me to pick up
the kids. So it's like this even just a simple.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Question of.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not I don't want to say antagonizing, but a simple
question of doubting the other person, what their reality and
what their talk was, it starts to just start to
you know, because he was upset about something that happened,
but I didn't say I was going to pick up
the kids? Right, Why are you asking me if I
was picking up the kids? And then it becomes like
an argument.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, but also I do want to go back to
I don't think that I haven't been in that situation
because I'm strong in quotation marks. I think even the
strongest people can easily be guess no, I mean I
just have been lucky enough. And maybe it is because
how I grew. I don't know, but I just don't
think that I have. But like, I think it would
be so easy, even just hearing that comment, I would
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easily be like, wait, I could easily see feeling crazy
and just the smallest conversation like that, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I'm anxious to watch it for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, oh, I just say I know I could
not have done it without Austin, Like there's there's no
possible way. Especially there was a scene during the attack scene,
so I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
This is this is no.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't want to say it's embarrassing. This is just
a very personal thing. But if someone is on top
of me and it could be having sex, like if
there's if I feel like I can't get up, I
will go into a full panic attack mode because the
body remembers my first abuser on top of me and
I couldn't move, and so during this scene, I was like,
(09:45):
oh man, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna struggle at
this because Austin is on top of me, and I
know I'm trying to struggle to get out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
There's a scene.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Where he puts the pillowcase over my head, and so
not only are my my arms bound he puts the
pillowcase over my head, but because we were so in it,
when he put the pillow case over my head, it
was too tight. So I couldn't breathe because I took
one big breath and it took me right back to
being strangled. I mean, I screamed so loud that they
(10:18):
had to they called cut because I just I couldn't breathe,
and I mean riped the thing, you know. They off
my head and and I just I couldn't. I just
lost it and I had to go outside and then
we had to take five because I just my my
whole body was just like back in it and it
was so fricking scary. But like the only person that
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I felt safe around that moment was being there with
Austin and like knowing like he had me and that
that wasn't what was going on, this was just a movie.
And I had to almost like I had to take
five minutes, put my feet on the ground outside, take
a few you know, deep, and go, Okay, this is
not reality. This is not actually happening. But it just
brought me back and it was yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Wow, Yeah that is this is not Mario Lopez square, No, No,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
No, it was it was no.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean I even had to talk to to Amy
about it because that moment was just it was tough,
but I got to take the power back in that moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I also what she helped me with.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I can see glimpses even in the trailer of just
like it almost because I know you looked almost therapeutically acted,
like I was like, Okay, she knows this space.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I'll tell you about a scene that I'm i think
the most proud of, but let's first get Austin on.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Hello ladies, seriously.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Let me just tell you right now what Austin is
up to, because he just started filming, acting, directing in
a movie that he's directing the movie and he's acting.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
In It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
No, I'm not acting in it.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh I thought you're not acting. I thought you were
acting in it.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
There was a lot of talk. It's funny when you're
an actor and you start directing people that questions. I
was like, well, are you going to play a role?
And there was a moment where I was going to
play the bad guy because people love me to play
bad guys, which we're going to get into. And then
we got an amazing we lost our leading man and
(12:33):
for a while there we were scrambling to find someone
and the producers were going, can you do it? And
I was like, no, no, I mean I could, but
I really don't want to. I really really wanted to
focus on directing and be so so locked in and focused.
But now I'm not. I mean, there may be a
(12:55):
funny little moment I find, like a fun little you know,
hitchcock little I'm back in the corner or something funny,
but no, I'm not playing a substantial role.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, either way, you're directing, and there's that's a lot
of moving pieces. So thank you for coming on to
talk about gas lit by my.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Husband for having me. I'm so excited So when you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Got this, well, actually, let me just get the elephant
out of the room really fast. Sydney, our producer has
a big crush on you. You are I'm calling out Sydney, Sydney.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Sure, Sydney for my Sydney. I actually, I can believe
you just did.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
That.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You cannot tell me, you know, we're talking about this later.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
How are you hi? Oh my god, I'm good, so
great to meet you.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I just had to say that. Sorry, Sydney, I love you. Okay,
of Sydney. She can't tell me stuff like that. She
doesn't know yet.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I didn't like Chad Austin was my crash and I'm like, well,
she shouldn't tell me that one.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So when you got this script, what was your first thought?
When reading the script.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I immediately my gut said, this is so meaty. This
role is so meaty. And it goes from you know,
like all American happy young couple to you know, this
guy becomes a monster. And I'm like, how do you
say no to that? You know, there's there's there was
never a doubt in my mind. I was like, I
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I these are the kinds of kinds of roles you
dream about that you can sink your teeth into where
you get to go from A to Z. And you
know the hard part was, you know, being such a
monster with you in some of these scenes and and
and seeing you go to these places that was really
hard and and at times like terrifying and like you
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were the one going through it and it was way
harder for you. But then we're sitting there going what
are we doing? Like it was it was you know,
I remember a moment that you I'll let you talk
about it if you want to or not, where we
all had to stop and go like, okay, we have
to think about this for a second. You know, it
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was it's really case I see. But you know, those
heavy things are are I feel like what a lot
of actors you know, dream about. You know, you want
to be able to test yourself. You want to be
able to you know, stretch your wings. You want to
be able to try something challenging and that you've never
done before. And I mean this this was a huge
opportunity for me.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What was that the pillowcase one, because that's what I
had just Yeah, that was that one scared me.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Yeah, have you talked about that already?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I basically, yeah, just just before you came on, I said,
one of the moments that I think triggered my past
was when you were on top of me and I
couldn't breathe when that pillow case came over.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
So I remember, like, because we had to do this
a bunch of times, and you know, we're on the
and Janet, we're struggling, and jan is emotionally, you know,
like going through it and it's screaming in tears and
all this stuff. And I remember when the pillowcase, when
I put the pillowcase over your head, the fake blood
on your face soaked into the pillowcase, and then the
pillowcase you breathed in and it went that kind of
(16:17):
like concave suction into your mouth, and that's I freaked out.
And that's right. We need tapped out because I mean,
I knew you weren't going to suffocate, but it was
the scariest moment. And that's right when you you were
like no more, and it was I've never been in
that position on a set. I've never experienced anything like that,
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and I can't even imagine what that was like for you.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That was one of my questions is because you two
have such a deep friendship to be an actor and
then have to separate your compassion that you have for
her as a person. Does it make it even more
challenging then to step into a role obviously as an
actor and like as like a master of your craft,
you want to be really good at that scene, but
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then you have this heart for a person. How what
is the duality of that feel like in the scene.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
I mean I could never let go of caring about
like I could never fully step into this this character
and not care like there was never a moment where
I was like I wasn't thinking about her. You know.
It just it's impossible. I'm not that good of an actor.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, maybe you're just that good of a human.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I actually would prefer you to be a better human. Anyways.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Yeah, I mean, well, thank you, that's very nice, But
it's it's it's just one of those I don't know
what else to say about it. It was just, you know,
while while it's important to get this story out there
and it can ultimately help people, and it can help
women get out of dangerous situations, there's there's a moment
I think where we all we were all going, why
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are we doing this.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, well I think too. I mean that that that
part as well. There was sexual assaults in it, So
there was just those those different layers of I mean
even it's hard because we are so close and we're
we've been friends for so long, it was difficult to
I mean for the for the first week and a half,
I mean, we barely even spoke to each other because
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we had to both be in seene and you had
to be this monster and I and I had to
be on the brink of a complete breakdown in tears.
That like, there was no normally on a set, it's
I mean you've been there, it's like everyone's happy and
they're talking, and it's like you don't really need to
really get into character that much at them, you know,
because this is all like usually fun, like yeah, Christmas
movies and you know. So, but this was like we
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almost stayed apart for a while because we had to
stay in such a like distant thing.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Yeah. I mean, I remember after that first week or
week and a half going, oh my god, I'm so
glad we got that stuff over with because then we
were able to actually laugh and have some fun, and
it was hard to find those moments even but we
did and we're kind of like, oh my god, I'm
so glad that stuff is over. You know, the movie
still had heavy stuff in it. But I don't know
how you felt, but I was. I was thankful we
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kind of did that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I was relieved.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, the heavy abuse stuff was done and over with
what do you what? I loved and that's what I
just to go back to what I was kind of
telling the girls, like I could not imagine someone else
playing opposite me with this movie. Like I just I'm
so thankful for you and grateful for you, like you're
You're just an incredible actor. You're the best scene partner ever.
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There's a scene in the I mean there's so many
moments where Austin and I get each other so well
that and he knows when I'm about to do something
to do a better take, and he's like do it again.
And he did that to me on one Tree Hill
where he held my hands and I, you know, I
started crying. And so you're just such a giving actor
and I don't I've never had that before, so I
was just I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm just so grateful you you accepted this role.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
You're gonna make me break down here. I love you
so much and I've never I've never really had somebody
that I've got to work with again that I felt
like we had. We have something that really works, you know.
And I'm not going to be grandiose and compare us
to Bogie and Bacall and you know some of these
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old amazing people who did you know, like in a
stolen around Gossing, that work together again and again again
because they have something that works. But I feel like
we have something like that, and that's so rare. I
hope we get to work together again. You know, you're
you're You're phenomenal, and yeah, like I said it, it
just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Was there a scene for you in the movie that
you're the most proud of.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, the first thing that jumps to mind is when
Rodney comes to you and he he says that he's sick.
And to be perfectly honest, I just I've emotion has
been something that when I was younger, was really hard
for me as an actor. And I think honestly it
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was just because I was young and I didn't have
a lot of life experience, and you know, it came
from a relatively really happy, nice family. Sure we had
our issues, but you know I didn't I didn't come
from the street, and I didn't like, you know, I
don't have this. You know this tough, this tough story,
in this tough childhood. But as I've gotten older and
(21:27):
I've been through some stuff and I've lost my mom,
and you know, I was really proud of that scene
with you. There there was a natural kind of flow
and it felt a little effortless when in the past
it's the emotion has always been a struggle for me.
So that one was I remember. I remember going upstairs
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in that house at the end, and just like I
cried again because I was that's something that's been hard
for me in my whole career. I was like, I
was like, I was so thankful and grateful, and I
remember looking up into the ceiling and thanking my mom.
I was like, you know, you made me, you made
by leaving me, you made me a better person, and
you made me a better actor.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Wow, gave me chills crying.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
That seems amazing, so sweet, though, Austin, I have a
question for you that I've actually wanted to ask a
lot of actors that get casted, So you said that
you kind of you've been casted in similar roles that
like kind of the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yeah, and I we always need a bad guy in
the movie.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
We need you.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
But I hate it for you on a personal level
because I hate that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I just have always hated when an actor has to
be the bad guy, you know, because we all know
there's like certain guys that just always get casted that way.
Does it does it hurt your heart at all at
some point that you're like, I make an awesome bad guy.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yes, it does. It does hurt my heart all the time.
But at the same time, you know, don't feel too
bad for me, because playing bad guys is really really fun.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I mean, we do need you. I mean it's not
really much fun if we don't have a bad guy.
But man, I thought about that, like on a personal level,
it's like, Wow, I make a really good like a hole.
I can't wait to be casting you know, Like that's horrible.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, it's so funny because a lot of
time it's the grass is always greener. You know, I'll
play a bunch of bad guys and I'll be you know,
calling my agents like send me lead, send me, you know,
I want to be the good guy, and then I'll
get one and I'll do it, and then I want
to be the bad guy. Yet so I actually think
I've been extremely lucky to kind of be able to
(23:30):
do both. Maybe if you really kind of waited it out,
it would probably be more bad guys. But I'm you know,
I feel like it's really fun and except for maybe
this one was a little less fun because it's so intense,
but it's usually really really fun. The one thing that
I think is so interesting about being a lead is
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and you see this with you know, you really see
it very rarely. And that's why I think, you know,
movie stars are so rare because to me, it's all
about trust and the audience trusting basically a person, and
it's not even acting ability. To me, it's some of
these people, like when I think of Tom Hanks or
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something or someone like that, we just inherently love and
trust this man and he can play characters or he
can play himself, whatever it is he's done at all.
But there's something to me that's so fascinating about trust
and a person sitting down in a movie theater or
on their couch and they just go. I know I'm
in good hands for the next two hours. Like I know,
(24:36):
I'm not going to waste my time with this person.
And that is something that I just I just think
is so special.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, what I think you do really well with the
bad guy thing is you always try to find the heart.
Like I remember when we were doing the courtroom scene
and you had asked me basically what because I had
you didn't talk to Morgan ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Did you?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
No, Yeah, I think when I told you about kind
of what Rodney did in the court scene, you know
you've even throughout the movie, you still tried to Yes,
he is a monster, and you still tried to give
him a heart in it as well, and some kind
of compassion where it's you know, he did awful things
(25:32):
and he's also broken and you were trying to, you know,
give him some some you know some yeah, some compassion.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah, I guess you know, if we were doing a
doctor you know, it's it's it is at the end
of the day, it is a movie, too, right, and
you want to tell a great story. And I think
you know, seeing seeing Rodney at the beginning and seeing
this young love and this like these two all American
all American couple. You know, you want, I feel you
want to like these people so much at the beginning,
(26:02):
so that what happens is so much more powerful, right,
So you know it is a bit manipulative. But at
the same time, I think it just it makes a
better story. Right if the guy was just totally if
there wasn't a little any kernels in there that we
liked about him, I feel like people just turn it off,
(26:23):
you know. So it's funny because I do feel weird
about it. Sometimes I felt where I was like, why
am I trying to like show the audience something lovely
about this prencipent.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But I think that's reality. I mean, unless you're just
a complete, you know, psychopath over here, who you know, whatever,
most of these people do have glimpses. That's why people
get stuck in these situations. They have glimpses of the
good in them, and that's why people get in these situations.
So I think that's so important to show that because
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that's part of it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, you fall in
love with someone, Yeah, there's absolutely I'm sure, you know,
I'm sure there was a lot to fall in love
with early on and then you know, people change, but
you're I think that's really astute.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, that's really smart well as a guy, because you know,
I feel bad always being like, you know, the woman is,
have you been in a relationship where you've been gaslet
from on the other side of things? Because I feel
like it's just we've you know, it's just like the
women and we've been gasolt and we've been abusing. Now
(27:31):
the statistics are I actually don't even know, so I'm
not even gonna speak on it, but I'm just we
always just say that, like when I've been doing press,
I'm like, you know, to the women out here that
need to see this movie for sure, and I'm like,
and men.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Absolutely, No, that's such a great, great question. And this
is I always think this is a question we should
always ask the other sex, right like, because we always
tend to talk about ourselves and to ask the other team,
you know, is so I think that's what solves so
many of our problems. Let's talk. Yes, Yes, I have,
(28:05):
I have. And you know it's funny is that I
And when I was in it, I didn't really know
I was I am. And I think that's probably what
a lot of people would say I didn't realize it,
and I didn't really pick it up, you know, until
I was out of it and picked it apart that
I start to understand. And that's that. I feel like
that's what happens to a lot of people, is you know,
(28:26):
you fall for someone and there's something great there, and
then as it bad things start to happen. You. You know,
if you're a positive person, you stick to those positive
Oh well, this happened, and this happened, and they were
so lovely and this was this is so great, and
you I stayed kind of blind. I don't really know
what to say about that, except I wish I would
(28:48):
have been more aware earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I guess it's like how though, you know, like for
the person that's in that situation, it's it's so hard
when you're in the cycle of that abuse, with lighting
and the mental abuse of it all, it's like, how
do you even see it?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah? And also I think, I mean, I can't say
this for all human beings, but I think a lot
of human beings when they're in something, they want it
to work right, so we ultimately our goal oriented. I feel,
at least I am and I want something to work,
whether it's my career, my relationship, whatever it is I'm building,
(29:28):
you know, something out of wood in my garage. I
want it to be good. So I try to work.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
What else, Austin, I mean, you've got your directing. What
else is on the horizon for you?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
I mean, I can't tell you, guys, how fun this
is to direct this movie. Today's day four. We have
a late call. We go in at one o'clock. We
have two night scenes. I have the funniest group of actors.
I have an amazing crew. Everyone's laughing and having a ball,
even though it's ninety five degrees and we're all dying
in the heat. But you know, we're doing a comedy.
(30:02):
And I haven't seen anybody frown. I haven't seen anybody
throw a tantrum. It's just been such a joy, and
I I'm I'm lit up in a way that I
haven't been, you know, in a long time. And by
the way, I love acting, I'll always love acting, but
this is just new. It's a new horizon. It's something
I can really seek my sink my teeth into. And
(30:25):
I just I hope this movie turns out good and
people see it and I get to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
What's it called again?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right now? It's called Muni and I will I will
say that the title is probably going to change. I'm
not gonna I can't say what yet, but the title
that we're gonna that it's in the in our minds
is really really cool. In the second I can, I'll
tell you. But so basically, it's about a really run down,
(30:54):
beat up public golf course with dirt fairways and the
quirky misfits who work there. The whole place is in
jeopardy of getting you know, bought and developed, and it's
just about a bunch of funny people trying to protect
their home.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I love that there's rumors swirling there's a One Tree
Hill reboot.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Would you do it? Yes or no? He's drinking a
glass of water and he's not answering.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Look, I mean, it's so rare that you're a part
of something that could be redone. I really feel like
it's you know, we see reboots when we're at home.
We see reboots all the time. We're like, enough of
the reboots, But how many actors can say they were
in something that's going to be have another life? I mean,
(31:43):
it's very cool. And you know, all I'll say is
that I would just I want it to be the
best that it can be. I want it to be awesome.
And you know, if all the pieces fall into the
right place, you know, how can you say no?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Love it?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Austin, you are the best. Thank you so much. Appreciate
you just being vulnerable and sharing everything that you have.
And I just I love you.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
I love you to death, and thank you for bringing
me into this movie, gas Lit, and I owe you one.
I had such a blast with you. And let's let's
go make some more.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yeah, we will love it, okayn't wait to watch, I
asked him.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You're the best.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
No, you're the best.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know you're I mean it just he's just the best.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
He's such a lovely human.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
He really is.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I didn't know that about me. I was sweet that
he shared about the emotion side of it.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
I knew.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I mean, I don't really remember him crying on One
Tree Hill, but not that. I don't think that storyline
really ever led to him being super tearful or anything
like that. I mean, he's been in a bunch of
other stuff, Sydney. I'm sorry. I just can't want you
to have the opportunity to say hello.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm glad she's I know you're happy. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like I wouldn't do it if I was.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You look beautiful, but it is early there, so I
didn't know. But she's actually the best wing woman on that.
Like there's been probably twice that we worked together. Been like,
all right, Jana, don't usually ask, but this is the one,
and she's like, I'm on.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It wasn't Lance Bass one of them I did.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I asked.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He's not a bit, I'm not a huge but I
was like, everyone's gonna think this is cool.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm actually going to ask for a photo.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But no, I can't remember there was someone I was like, no,
I just stood back and I was like, I can't
ask on this one. I'm just gonna stare while you talk.
I wouldn't be able to speak with Matthew. I can't
even remember, but I think it's happened a couple of times.
But you're the best with that.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Really?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is that for me?
Speaker 7 (33:57):
We interviewed Maddie and Tay and I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I remember that got me a picture with them and
like we hung out for a while.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'm literally like, I feel bad for anyone that are
quote unquote celebrities in my phone because I'm the person.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Like, let's call him.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They'd love to say hi to you. You know, I
just want everyone to meet like the person. I just
I think it's so fun.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
But you've done that for me too, because I have
girlfriends in Michigan everybody.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I have one.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Specifically Coco, and she loves you, like loves you. And
it was her birthday and I was like, Cramer, will
you just face time. You're like for sure, like you don't,
you don't care, you don't care what you're wearing.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
It's like the funnest thing to me.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I think I've ever done that to you, and it
made her day. I've never thought about that. I mean,
she's like, yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Eventually there'll be no one asking.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
So that's like Preston, I'm like, yeah, let me hook
you guys, like of course you should come meet him
and hug his neck and yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You're so sorry that I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, thanks guys, but yeah, I just I just wanted
to first apologize to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But again, I think I knew she loved it.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I think we could frame it differently in the future.
I would like to just talk off air about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
For Sid, I unfortunately love him more after that interview.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So right, I cannot confirm nor deny, okay relationships. I
meant to ask him that because it's not my sure business.
I just don't know if he was like publicly single
or what his deal was. I should have asked him, said,
I should have asked him. I should have been a better
wing woman for you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But yeah, any of the.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Questions, No, I don't think so anything else.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Sunday, it's the big day.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Is Sunday?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Is the big day?
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Lion Girl turns one on Sunday?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, sweet thing. Oh and we've got wind Down shows
this week.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's gonna be great. So excited wind Down in the
Wild Nashville, Detroit.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And Chicago.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, I'm I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I hope you guys, it's hard to say it, enjoy
the movie, you know. I hope it helps the person
that needs to see it is what I'll say regarding that,
and if you do need help one eight hundred and
seventy nine nine, safe is a place to call.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I'd also encourage that if you feel like something is off,
it most likely is, and that might be a good
starting point for women in this situation. I watched a
lot of storylines unfold my whole life, and I think
if you follow your gut and you feel like something
is off, I would say that someone that feels safe
doesn't often feel that way. So if you feel something,
(36:36):
that would be my first intuition. Your gut is your
best discernment, and I would say.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You can take the power back in a situation that's
something that I didn't know about for a while, even
if it's in the past.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Scene that I was able to do that in I
actually called Morgan when I read this script. One of
the scenes brought me crying. It was the courtroom scene
where she gets to confront Rodney and she gets to
have a speech. I never got that opportunity in court.
(37:13):
I sat on the stand, I saw him, I looked
him in the eyes, but I wasn't allowed to say
anything besides the cross you know, the DA was cross examining,
cross examining, but I never got to have like a
a word with him, like you know, a goodbye almost
in a way. And so with a scene, I was like, oh, man,
(37:33):
I don't know what's going to come up for me here.
And so I called Morgan. I said, you know, I
want to play this, and you know, I asked her
certain things like how she felt in this scene or
in that scene, because it's very similar and her speech
that she said is pretty similar to what is written
in the script, and so you know, I tried to
also honor her story as much as I could as well.
(37:56):
And so when I called her, I said, hey, I
just need to ask about that courtroom scene. You know what,
what was kind of going through your head from your
point of view, and you know, how were you when
you were saying the speech.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Were you crying?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Were you?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And she was like I was just stone cold, super
you know, strong, and you know, didn't flinch, looked him
straight in the eye and then it never looked at
him again. And so I told the director this and
I'm like, all right, so this is how Morgan played it,
and She's like kind of what Austin said is. She goes,
this is also a story. So she's like, tell the story.
How you would tell the story? What would you say
(38:29):
to your abuser on the stand? And so it was
one take because there was no way I could do
that again. So I asked her. I asked the director,
I go, do you mind if we do my close
up first? And she's like absolutely, I go, I think
I'm going to play it how. I'll give you obviously
as money takes, as you want. I was like, but
I'm going to play it in my brain how I
(38:51):
would have said it to my abuser on the stand.
And it was I mean, they kept in every emotion,
every piece, and it was probably I walked away and
I and I remembered what my therapist and where she
said you got to take the power back that day
m H. And I got to like bury it. Wow,
and it was like what a therapeutic it was.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
So also to the people watching, like you can still
even and you can still have that moment, have that
moment to yourself if you have to say it to
yourself in the mirror or you take the power back
from that situation, because that was the most it was,
like I was telling Amy. I was like, it was
like a weight was lifted and I was able to
just really move on from it after how many years?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
But it's crazy, you probably didn't. Did you even realize
you really needed that no measure like that?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Nope, that's so crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
So I'm so happy for you though, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Sunday Night eight seven, Central Gaslipay, my Husband, The Morgan
Metzer Story, and again nine nine Safe See you guys
next week.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, I
Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heart Radio podcast.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hi girl, Hi Hi.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
So this is going to be a fun episode because
we are bringing Austin Nichols on the show because next Sunday,
our movie Gaslet is coming out on Lifetime, so I
thought it would be awesome to kind of chat with
him about the movie and just all things Gaslet by
(00:30):
my husband.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
I cannot wait.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I'm excited to watch it.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I'm so excited, which sounds terrible because it's like a
really correct, like tough subject line, but like I love
movies like that. I'm also really excited proud of you. Yeah,
I'm really excited to see you in that kind of role,
like I got as Preston. We watched the trailer and
I was like, damn it.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Cre great job, Cramer, Like I.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
Just couldn't, like I was because it's so different than
anything I've seen you do, but so good.
Speaker 6 (01:00):
Like I'm just really excited.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
The trailer is scary, I know, I know, And it
was hard too because I wanted so Jolie's obviously in
the movie, she plays my daughter. I wanted to show
her the trailer, but I'm like, man, this this is
really scary. But I also wanted her to see.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
That she's been there.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
So I was like, hey, baby, do you want to
see the trailer for the movie. But before I press play,
I just I need you to remember this is just
a story, and this is remember how I had to
kind of talk to her about what was happening in
so she got the context of it, like when she'd
run in and we were fighting or something, and I'd
always when we'd cut, I'm like, are you good?
Speaker 2 (01:36):
That was just make believe, you know.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So it was tough. Yeah, that is tough, I know.
But when she watched it, she's like, that's scary, and
I was like.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I know, but I was like, I was trying to
balance that line was.
Speaker 6 (01:48):
A little Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Even my twelve year old was like, oh, this is
so scary. I was like, it's fine.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
It's funny though, because not funny. But when we were
filming one of the scenes, it was a scene where
you guys will obviously on Sunday you'll see it. Hopefully
you watch and tune into Lifetime. But the scene where
we end up leaving the house and I've got the
bags packed, Austin and I were joking about something and
(02:15):
Jolie's like, Mommy, it's serious. Time get serious. And I
was like, okay, girl, I love get in your role. Yeah,
I was like, she's like amateur. That was like the
you know, her second week, so she was getting I
was just so proud of her confidence. It's great, amazing
she did. But that was just funny because she was
schooling me.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
Does Jolie want to do more movies?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Now she does? She actually has a meeting with an agent. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
So I'm really proud of her because this is something
where again I feel like she kind of stepped into
her confidence and so that made me really happy to
watch as a mom. Even cried like a lot of
kids couldn't do that. No, No, a lot I could
not do that. I mean, I have three. I'm pretty
sure that so far. But I mean, but again, all
kids excel at different things. Yeah, kids are sports phenomenons,
(03:02):
you know what I mean. Jolie, can you know that
can't do a cartwheel?
Speaker 2 (03:06):
You know what I mean? So it's like they're all different.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
I couldn't do a cartwheel either, non actress, just trying
to find a spot.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Still forty two.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
They do, but I am really excited. It's weird because
I'm I'm kind of like how you said, Kat, I'm
it's it's weird to be excited for a movie like
this because it is someone's story that I was telling,
but also it's not And I talked to Morgan because
this is the stories based on Morgan Metz. Her her
(03:35):
her husband tries to kill her. And when I talked
to her, you know, it was I was so careful
of my words too, because it was just I wanted
to be sensitive to the situation. But she also knew
my domestic abuse background, and so you know, she was
just like, this isn't just for me. I did this
for everybody else in which we had that conversation because
(03:58):
when I got the offer, I told Lifetime I wanted
to do like a little background. I told the head
of Lifetime that I really wanted to do something in
the domestic abuse space and then you know, be able
to shed light some light on that. And when this
came about, I was just like, Wow, this hits close
to home with some of the things that happen. And
(04:19):
so when I talked to Morgan, you know, that's and
that's when I told my therapist. I was like, and
I told you. We even talked about on here. I
was like, I don't know if I want to tap
back into that because I've already done, like there's just
so much emotion. Well I'll even be able to bring
the emotion out. And that's when you know. I sat
on here again. My therapist was like, it's not for you.
And then when Morgan and I talked about it too,
she was saying, you know, this is for the women
(04:41):
that can't get out of that relationship and that need
to see this, that need to see because I think
even if it's not the physical abuse, the abuse that
comes with the gas lighting is so much too. Because
I remember, I mean, I'm sure we've all been in
a situation where you just question your sanity and you're like, wait,
but I I know what just happened, But then you're
(05:02):
saying it didn't happen, and then you just feel like
you're crazy.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
I grew up in a very tumultuous house, and I
don't and I will be careful to what I share,
but I would say that this, like watching you on here,
a lot of that resonates because the gaslighting is so real.
I mean, you don't even know that it's happening, and
it's a slow chip away. I think a lot for women. Yeah,
(05:25):
I mean I've been in relationships too where I've gone like,
but wait, that's actually not reality. Like it's almost weird
when you have to stand in a truth and say
that is that's actually not what's happening. I'm not gonna
let you say that to me, even if you're not
saying that out loud in your brain, because it gets
so tangled up and enmeshed and crazy.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But it's just so hard to know.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Like I mean, I it wasn't the only gaslighting relationship.
But then when I look back, I'm like, it's just
crazy how they try to twist the reality and twist
what's actually happening.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
The narrative becomes their narrative.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we know that it happened. You know,
you you would sit there and watch it happen, right,
You're like no, yeah, And I'm like and Catherine's trying
to but no matter how much Catherine could then tell
me something, I'm the one that's being like, said all
this information, I'm like, no, nothing, he did nothing, he
did nothing wrong, And you're submerged and you're like, yes.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
He did.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, I think too. It'll be interesting to watch it
from a point of view. I I don't know that
I can truly think maybe a family relationship, but I
don't know that I can truly pinpoint a major gas
lighting relationship in my life, if I'm being completely honest.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
You're such a sturd actin so I.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Mean, maybe mom to an extent, but like I would
have never thought of it that way, you know, but
I truly don't think I could. But it'll be interesting
to watch it from that perspective, have like having only
seen other people go through it, but I think it'll
be it'll be interesting to watch, and I think it'll
be really important for people who have been in that situation,
(07:02):
but people who haven't to really kind of understand more
about people who are in that situation. Like there were
times with me with you, I'm like I can't, like
I can't, you know, not to be mean, but it
was kind of like, how does she not see this?
Speaker 4 (07:13):
I can only do so much? What do I say?
What do I do?
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You know?
Speaker 5 (07:17):
But when it's your life and your subb it's and
I've learned that so much now yet I think it's
very important for people who maybe haven't seen it, who
haven't been in that relationship, to see how it messes
with the victim and how how they you know, how
they see it.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
I just I'm interested to see and.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
How they take it on as it's their fault.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Absolutely, they're they're to blame or they're the ones that
did X, Y and Z. And even if you were,
I mean, because like I just said, how you're so
emotionally and you're you're so strong. I feel even though
I mean, even the people that are strong, they still
it can easily just the comments can easily start to
chip away at people. Sure, And that's where there are
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certain things. When I was watching back the movie because
I saw the rough cut, even when he asked, He's like,
why didn't you pick up the kids, It's like, well,
I I didn't. You didn't ask me to pick up
the kids. So it's like this even just a simple.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Question of.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Not I don't want to say antagonizing, but a simple
question of doubting the other person, what their reality and
what their talk was, it starts to just start to
you know, because he was upset about something that happened,
but I didn't say I was going to pick up
the kids? Right, Why are you asking me if I
was picking up the kids? And then it becomes like
an argument.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah, but also I do want to go back to
I don't think that I haven't been in that situation
because I'm strong in quotation marks. I think even the
strongest people can easily be guess no, I mean I
just have been lucky enough. And maybe it is because
how I grew. I don't know, but I just don't
think that I have. But like, I think it would
be so easy, even just hearing that comment, I would
(08:52):
easily be like, wait, I could easily see feeling crazy
and just the smallest conversation like that, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
I'm anxious to watch it for sure.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
I mean, oh, I just say I know I could
not have done it without Austin, Like there's there's no
possible way. Especially there was a scene during the attack scene,
so I don't like it.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
This is this is no.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I don't want to say it's embarrassing. This is just
a very personal thing. But if someone is on top
of me and it could be having sex, like if
there's if I feel like I can't get up, I
will go into a full panic attack mode because the
body remembers my first abuser on top of me and
I couldn't move, and so during this scene, I was like,
(09:45):
oh man, I'm gonna I think I'm gonna struggle at
this because Austin is on top of me, and I
know I'm trying to struggle to get out.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
There's a scene.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
Where he puts the pillowcase over my head, and so
not only are my my arms bound he puts the
pillowcase over my head, but because we were so in it,
when he put the pillow case over my head, it
was too tight. So I couldn't breathe because I took
one big breath and it took me right back to
being strangled. I mean, I screamed so loud that they
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had to they called cut because I just I couldn't breathe,
and I mean riped the thing, you know. They off
my head and and I just I couldn't. I just
lost it and I had to go outside and then
we had to take five because I just my my
whole body was just like back in it and it
was so fricking scary. But like the only person that
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I felt safe around that moment was being there with
Austin and like knowing like he had me and that
that wasn't what was going on, this was just a movie.
And I had to almost like I had to take
five minutes, put my feet on the ground outside, take
a few you know, deep, and go, Okay, this is
not reality. This is not actually happening. But it just
brought me back and it was yeah, that's a lot.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
Wow, Yeah that is this is not Mario Lopez square, No, No,
this is not.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
No, it was it was no.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
I mean I even had to talk to to Amy
about it because that moment was just it was tough,
but I got to take the power back in that moment. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I also what she helped me with.
Speaker 5 (11:20):
I can see glimpses even in the trailer of just
like it almost because I know you looked almost therapeutically acted,
like I was like, Okay, she knows this space.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
I'll tell you about a scene that I'm i think
the most proud of, but let's first get Austin on.
Speaker 7 (11:52):
Hello ladies, seriously.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Let me just tell you right now what Austin is
up to, because he just started filming, acting, directing in
a movie that he's directing the movie and he's acting.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
In It's amazing.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
No, I'm not acting in it.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Oh I thought you're not acting. I thought you were
acting in it.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
There was a lot of talk. It's funny when you're
an actor and you start directing people that questions. I
was like, well, are you going to play a role?
And there was a moment where I was going to
play the bad guy because people love me to play
bad guys, which we're going to get into. And then
we got an amazing we lost our leading man and
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for a while there we were scrambling to find someone
and the producers were going, can you do it? And
I was like, no, no, I mean I could, but
I really don't want to. I really really wanted to
focus on directing and be so so locked in and focused.
But now I'm not. I mean, there may be a
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funny little moment I find, like a fun little you know,
hitchcock little I'm back in the corner or something funny,
but no, I'm not playing a substantial role.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Well, either way, you're directing, and there's that's a lot
of moving pieces. So thank you for coming on to
talk about gas lit by my.
Speaker 7 (13:12):
Husband for having me. I'm so excited So when you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Got this, well, actually, let me just get the elephant
out of the room really fast. Sydney, our producer has
a big crush on you. You are I'm calling out Sydney, Sydney.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Sure, Sydney for my Sydney. I actually, I can believe
you just did.
Speaker 8 (13:36):
That.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
You cannot tell me, you know, we're talking about this later.
Speaker 7 (13:41):
How are you hi? Oh my god, I'm good, so
great to meet you.
Speaker 5 (13:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
I just had to say that. Sorry, Sydney, I love you. Okay,
of Sydney. She can't tell me stuff like that. She
doesn't know yet.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I didn't like Chad Austin was my crash and I'm like, well,
she shouldn't tell me that one.
Speaker 2 (14:04):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
So when you got this script, what was your first thought?
When reading the script.
Speaker 7 (14:11):
I immediately my gut said, this is so meaty. This
role is so meaty. And it goes from you know,
like all American happy young couple to you know, this
guy becomes a monster. And I'm like, how do you
say no to that? You know, there's there's there was
never a doubt in my mind. I was like, I
(14:32):
I these are the kinds of kinds of roles you
dream about that you can sink your teeth into where
you get to go from A to Z. And you
know the hard part was, you know, being such a
monster with you in some of these scenes and and
and seeing you go to these places that was really
hard and and at times like terrifying and like you
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were the one going through it and it was way
harder for you. But then we're sitting there going what
are we doing? Like it was it was you know,
I remember a moment that you I'll let you talk
about it if you want to or not, where we
all had to stop and go like, okay, we have
to think about this for a second. You know, it
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was it's really case I see. But you know, those
heavy things are are I feel like what a lot
of actors you know, dream about. You know, you want
to be able to test yourself. You want to be
able to you know, stretch your wings. You want to
be able to try something challenging and that you've never
done before. And I mean this this was a huge
opportunity for me.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
What was that the pillowcase one, because that's what I
had just Yeah, that was that one scared me.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
Yeah, have you talked about that already?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
I basically, yeah, just just before you came on, I said,
one of the moments that I think triggered my past
was when you were on top of me and I
couldn't breathe when that pillow case came over.
Speaker 7 (15:55):
So I remember, like, because we had to do this
a bunch of times, and you know, we're on the
and Janet, we're struggling, and jan is emotionally, you know,
like going through it and it's screaming in tears and
all this stuff. And I remember when the pillowcase, when
I put the pillowcase over your head, the fake blood
on your face soaked into the pillowcase, and then the
pillowcase you breathed in and it went that kind of
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like concave suction into your mouth, and that's I freaked out.
And that's right. We need tapped out because I mean,
I knew you weren't going to suffocate, but it was
the scariest moment. And that's right when you you were
like no more, and it was I've never been in
that position on a set. I've never experienced anything like that,
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and I can't even imagine what that was like for you.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
That was one of my questions is because you two
have such a deep friendship to be an actor and
then have to separate your compassion that you have for
her as a person. Does it make it even more
challenging then to step into a role obviously as an
actor and like as like a master of your craft,
you want to be really good at that scene, but
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then you have this heart for a person. How what
is the duality of that feel like in the scene.
Speaker 7 (17:08):
I mean I could never let go of caring about
like I could never fully step into this this character
and not care like there was never a moment where
I was like I wasn't thinking about her. You know.
It just it's impossible. I'm not that good of an actor.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
No, maybe you're just that good of a human.
Speaker 6 (17:30):
I actually would prefer you to be a better human. Anyways.
Speaker 7 (17:33):
Yeah, I mean, well, thank you, that's very nice, But
it's it's it's just one of those I don't know
what else to say about it. It was just, you know,
while while it's important to get this story out there
and it can ultimately help people, and it can help
women get out of dangerous situations, there's there's a moment
I think where we all we were all going, why
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are we doing this.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Yeah, well I think too. I mean that that that
part as well. There was sexual assaults in it, So
there was just those those different layers of I mean
even it's hard because we are so close and we're
we've been friends for so long, it was difficult to
I mean for the for the first week and a half,
I mean, we barely even spoke to each other because
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we had to both be in seene and you had
to be this monster and I and I had to
be on the brink of a complete breakdown in tears.
That like, there was no normally on a set, it's
I mean you've been there, it's like everyone's happy and
they're talking, and it's like you don't really need to
really get into character that much at them, you know,
because this is all like usually fun, like yeah, Christmas
movies and you know. So, but this was like we
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almost stayed apart for a while because we had to
stay in such a like distant thing.
Speaker 7 (18:48):
Yeah. I mean, I remember after that first week or
week and a half going, oh my god, I'm so
glad we got that stuff over with because then we
were able to actually laugh and have some fun, and
it was hard to find those moments even but we
did and we're kind of like, oh my god, I'm
so glad that stuff is over. You know, the movie
still had heavy stuff in it. But I don't know
how you felt, but I was. I was thankful we
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kind of did that.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
I was relieved.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, the heavy abuse stuff was done and over with
what do you what? I loved and that's what I
just to go back to what I was kind of
telling the girls, like I could not imagine someone else
playing opposite me with this movie. Like I just I'm
so thankful for you and grateful for you, like you're
You're just an incredible actor. You're the best scene partner ever.
(19:35):
There's a scene in the I mean there's so many
moments where Austin and I get each other so well
that and he knows when I'm about to do something
to do a better take, and he's like do it again.
And he did that to me on one Tree Hill
where he held my hands and I, you know, I
started crying. And so you're just such a giving actor
and I don't I've never had that before, so I
was just I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
I'm just so grateful you you accepted this role.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
You're gonna make me break down here. I love you
so much and I've never I've never really had somebody
that I've got to work with again that I felt
like we had. We have something that really works, you know.
And I'm not going to be grandiose and compare us
to Bogie and Bacall and you know some of these
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old amazing people who did you know, like in a
stolen around Gossing, that work together again and again again
because they have something that works. But I feel like
we have something like that, and that's so rare. I
hope we get to work together again. You know, you're
you're You're phenomenal, and yeah, like I said it, it
just doesn't happen.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Was there a scene for you in the movie that
you're the most proud of.
Speaker 7 (20:44):
Yeah, the first thing that jumps to mind is when
Rodney comes to you and he he says that he's sick.
And to be perfectly honest, I just I've emotion has
been something that when I was younger, was really hard
for me as an actor. And I think honestly it
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was just because I was young and I didn't have
a lot of life experience, and you know, it came
from a relatively really happy, nice family. Sure we had
our issues, but you know I didn't I didn't come
from the street, and I didn't like, you know, I
don't have this. You know this tough, this tough story,
in this tough childhood. But as I've gotten older and
(21:27):
I've been through some stuff and I've lost my mom,
and you know, I was really proud of that scene
with you. There there was a natural kind of flow
and it felt a little effortless when in the past
it's the emotion has always been a struggle for me.
So that one was I remember. I remember going upstairs
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in that house at the end, and just like I
cried again because I was that's something that's been hard
for me in my whole career. I was like, I
was like, I was so thankful and grateful, and I
remember looking up into the ceiling and thanking my mom.
I was like, you know, you made me, you made
by leaving me, you made me a better person, and
you made me a better actor.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Wow, gave me chills crying.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
That seems amazing, so sweet, though, Austin, I have a
question for you that I've actually wanted to ask a
lot of actors that get casted, So you said that
you kind of you've been casted in similar roles that
like kind of the bad guy.
Speaker 6 (22:28):
Yeah, and I we always need a bad guy in
the movie.
Speaker 4 (22:31):
We need you.
Speaker 6 (22:32):
But I hate it for you on a personal level
because I hate that.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
I just have always hated when an actor has to
be the bad guy, you know, because we all know
there's like certain guys that just always get casted that way.
Does it does it hurt your heart at all at
some point that you're like, I make an awesome bad guy.
Speaker 7 (22:47):
Yes, it does. It does hurt my heart all the time.
But at the same time, you know, don't feel too
bad for me, because playing bad guys is really really fun.
Speaker 5 (22:57):
I mean, we do need you. I mean it's not
really much fun if we don't have a bad guy.
But man, I thought about that, like on a personal level,
it's like, Wow, I make a really good like a hole.
I can't wait to be casting you know, Like that's horrible.
Speaker 7 (23:08):
Yeah, you know, it's so funny because a lot of
time it's the grass is always greener. You know, I'll
play a bunch of bad guys and I'll be you know,
calling my agents like send me lead, send me, you know,
I want to be the good guy, and then I'll
get one and I'll do it, and then I want
to be the bad guy. Yet so I actually think
I've been extremely lucky to kind of be able to
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do both. Maybe if you really kind of waited it out,
it would probably be more bad guys. But I'm you know,
I feel like it's really fun and except for maybe
this one was a little less fun because it's so intense,
but it's usually really really fun. The one thing that
I think is so interesting about being a lead is
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and you see this with you know, you really see
it very rarely. And that's why I think, you know,
movie stars are so rare because to me, it's all
about trust and the audience trusting basically a person, and
it's not even acting ability. To me, it's some of
these people, like when I think of Tom Hanks or
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something or someone like that, we just inherently love and
trust this man and he can play characters or he
can play himself, whatever it is he's done at all.
But there's something to me that's so fascinating about trust
and a person sitting down in a movie theater or
on their couch and they just go. I know I'm
in good hands for the next two hours. Like I know,
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I'm not going to waste my time with this person.
And that is something that I just I just think
is so special.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Well, what I think you do really well with the
bad guy thing is you always try to find the heart.
Like I remember when we were doing the courtroom scene
and you had asked me basically what because I had
you didn't talk to Morgan ever.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Did you?
Speaker 7 (25:10):
No?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
No, Yeah, I think when I told you about kind
of what Rodney did in the court scene, you know
you've even throughout the movie, you still tried to Yes,
he is a monster, and you still tried to give
him a heart in it as well, and some kind
of compassion where it's you know, he did awful things
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and he's also broken and you were trying to, you know,
give him some some you know some yeah, some compassion.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
Yeah, I guess you know, if we were doing a
doctor you know, it's it's it is at the end
of the day, it is a movie, too, right, and
you want to tell a great story. And I think
you know, seeing seeing Rodney at the beginning and seeing
this young love and this like these two all American
all American couple. You know, you want, I feel you
want to like these people so much at the beginning,
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so that what happens is so much more powerful, right,
So you know it is a bit manipulative. But at
the same time, I think it just it makes a
better story. Right if the guy was just totally if
there wasn't a little any kernels in there that we
liked about him, I feel like people just turn it off,
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you know. So it's funny because I do feel weird
about it. Sometimes I felt where I was like, why
am I trying to like show the audience something lovely
about this prencipent.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
But I think that's reality. I mean, unless you're just
a complete, you know, psychopath over here, who you know, whatever,
most of these people do have glimpses. That's why people
get stuck in these situations. They have glimpses of the
good in them, and that's why people get in these situations.
So I think that's so important to show that because
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that's part of it.
Speaker 7 (26:57):
That's a great point. Yeah, I mean, you fall in
love with someone, Yeah, there's absolutely I'm sure, you know,
I'm sure there was a lot to fall in love
with early on and then you know, people change, but
you're I think that's really astute.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, that's really smart well as a guy, because you know,
I feel bad always being like, you know, the woman is,
have you been in a relationship where you've been gaslet
from on the other side of things? Because I feel
like it's just we've you know, it's just like the
women and we've been gasolt and we've been abusing. Now
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the statistics are I actually don't even know, so I'm
not even gonna speak on it, but I'm just we
always just say that, like when I've been doing press,
I'm like, you know, to the women out here that
need to see this movie for sure, and I'm like,
and men.
Speaker 7 (27:44):
Absolutely, No, that's such a great, great question. And this
is I always think this is a question we should
always ask the other sex, right like, because we always
tend to talk about ourselves and to ask the other team,
you know, is so I think that's what solves so
many of our problems. Let's talk. Yes, Yes, I have,
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I have. And you know it's funny is that I
And when I was in it, I didn't really know
I was I am. And I think that's probably what
a lot of people would say I didn't realize it,
and I didn't really pick it up, you know, until
I was out of it and picked it apart that
I start to understand. And that's that. I feel like
that's what happens to a lot of people, is you know,
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you fall for someone and there's something great there, and
then as it bad things start to happen. You. You know,
if you're a positive person, you stick to those positive
Oh well, this happened, and this happened, and they were
so lovely and this was this is so great, and
you I stayed kind of blind. I don't really know
what to say about that, except I wish I would
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have been more aware earlier.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
I guess it's like how though, you know, like for
the person that's in that situation, it's it's so hard
when you're in the cycle of that abuse, with lighting
and the mental abuse of it all, it's like, how
do you even see it?
Speaker 7 (29:06):
Yeah? And also I think, I mean, I can't say
this for all human beings, but I think a lot
of human beings when they're in something, they want it
to work right, so we ultimately our goal oriented. I feel,
at least I am and I want something to work,
whether it's my career, my relationship, whatever it is I'm building,
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you know, something out of wood in my garage. I
want it to be good. So I try to work.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
What else, Austin, I mean, you've got your directing. What
else is on the horizon for you?
Speaker 7 (29:40):
I mean, I can't tell you, guys, how fun this
is to direct this movie. Today's day four. We have
a late call. We go in at one o'clock. We
have two night scenes. I have the funniest group of actors.
I have an amazing crew. Everyone's laughing and having a ball,
even though it's ninety five degrees and we're all dying
in the heat. But you know, we're doing a comedy.
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And I haven't seen anybody frown. I haven't seen anybody
throw a tantrum. It's just been such a joy, and
I I'm I'm lit up in a way that I
haven't been, you know, in a long time. And by
the way, I love acting, I'll always love acting, but
this is just new. It's a new horizon. It's something
I can really seek my sink my teeth into. And
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I just I hope this movie turns out good and
people see it and I get to keep doing it.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
What's it called again?
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Right now? It's called Muni and I will I will
say that the title is probably going to change. I'm
not gonna I can't say what yet, but the title
that we're gonna that it's in the in our minds
is really really cool. In the second I can, I'll
tell you. But so basically, it's about a really run down,
(30:54):
beat up public golf course with dirt fairways and the
quirky misfits who work there. The whole place is in
jeopardy of getting you know, bought and developed, and it's
just about a bunch of funny people trying to protect
their home.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I love that there's rumors swirling there's a One Tree
Hill reboot.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
Would you do it? Yes or no? He's drinking a
glass of water and he's not answering.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Look, I mean, it's so rare that you're a part
of something that could be redone. I really feel like
it's you know, we see reboots when we're at home.
We see reboots all the time. We're like, enough of
the reboots, But how many actors can say they were
in something that's going to be have another life? I mean,
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it's very cool. And you know, all I'll say is
that I would just I want it to be the
best that it can be. I want it to be awesome.
And you know, if all the pieces fall into the
right place, you know, how can you say no?
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Love it?
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Austin, you are the best. Thank you so much. Appreciate
you just being vulnerable and sharing everything that you have.
And I just I love you.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
I love you to death, and thank you for bringing
me into this movie, gas Lit, and I owe you one.
I had such a blast with you. And let's let's
go make some more.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
Yeah, we will love it, okayn't wait to watch, I
asked him.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
I thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 7 (32:28):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
You're the best.
Speaker 7 (32:30):
You're the best.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
No, you're the best.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
You know you're I mean it just he's just the best.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
He's such a lovely human.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
He really is.
Speaker 3 (32:39):
I didn't know that about me. I was sweet that
he shared about the emotion side of it.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
I knew.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I didn't. I didn't. I didn't know that.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
I mean, I don't really remember him crying on One
Tree Hill, but not that. I don't think that storyline
really ever led to him being super tearful or anything
like that. I mean, he's been in a bunch of
other stuff, Sydney. I'm sorry. I just can't want you
to have the opportunity to say hello.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
I'm glad she's I know you're happy. That's the thing.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Like I wouldn't do it if I was.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
You look beautiful, but it is early there, so I
didn't know. But she's actually the best wing woman on that.
Like there's been probably twice that we worked together. Been like,
all right, Jana, don't usually ask, but this is the one,
and she's like, I'm on.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
It wasn't Lance Bass one of them I did.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
I asked.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
He's not a bit, I'm not a huge but I
was like, everyone's gonna think this is cool.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I'm actually going to ask for a photo.
Speaker 1 (33:38):
But no, I can't remember there was someone I was like, no,
I just stood back and I was like, I can't
ask on this one. I'm just gonna stare while you talk.
I wouldn't be able to speak with Matthew. I can't
even remember, but I think it's happened a couple of times.
But you're the best with that.
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Thank you?
Speaker 8 (33:55):
Really?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
Is that for me?
Speaker 7 (33:57):
We interviewed Maddie and Tay and I'm a huge fan.
Speaker 5 (34:00):
I remember that got me a picture with them and
like we hung out for a while.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
It was great.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I'm literally like, I feel bad for anyone that are
quote unquote celebrities in my phone because I'm the person.
Speaker 7 (34:14):
Like, let's call him.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
They'd love to say hi to you. You know, I
just want everyone to meet like the person. I just
I think it's so fun.
Speaker 5 (34:20):
But you've done that for me too, because I have
girlfriends in Michigan everybody.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
I have one.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Specifically Coco, and she loves you, like loves you. And
it was her birthday and I was like, Cramer, will
you just face time. You're like for sure, like you don't,
you don't care, you don't care what you're wearing.
Speaker 6 (34:35):
It's like the funnest thing to me.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
I think I've ever done that to you, and it
made her day. I've never thought about that. I mean,
she's like, yeah, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Eventually there'll be no one asking.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
So that's like Preston, I'm like, yeah, let me hook
you guys, like of course you should come meet him
and hug his neck and yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You're so sorry that I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
Well, thanks guys, but yeah, I just I just wanted
to first apologize to Sydney.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
But again, I think I knew she loved it.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I think we could frame it differently in the future.
I would like to just talk off air about that.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
For Sid, I unfortunately love him more after that interview.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
So right, I cannot confirm nor deny, okay relationships. I
meant to ask him that because it's not my sure business.
I just don't know if he was like publicly single
or what his deal was. I should have asked him, said,
I should have asked him. I should have been a better
wing woman for you.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
But yeah, any of the.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Questions, No, I don't think so anything else.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
Sunday, it's the big day.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
Is Sunday?
Speaker 4 (35:37):
Is the big day?
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Lion Girl turns one on Sunday?
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Yeah, sweet thing. Oh and we've got wind Down shows
this week.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
It's gonna be great. So excited wind Down in the
Wild Nashville, Detroit.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
And Chicago.
Speaker 3 (35:52):
Yeah, I'm I'm excited. Yeah, I'm excited to watch.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
I hope.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
I hope you guys, it's hard to say it, enjoy
the movie, you know. I hope it helps the person
that needs to see it is what I'll say regarding that,
and if you do need help one eight hundred and
seventy nine nine, safe is a place to call.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
I'd also encourage that if you feel like something is off,
it most likely is, and that might be a good
starting point for women in this situation. I watched a
lot of storylines unfold my whole life, and I think
if you follow your gut and you feel like something
is off, I would say that someone that feels safe
doesn't often feel that way. So if you feel something,
(36:36):
that would be my first intuition. Your gut is your
best discernment, and I would say.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
You can take the power back in a situation that's
something that I didn't know about for a while, even
if it's in the past.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
And oh yeah, the.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Scene that I was able to do that in I
actually called Morgan when I read this script. One of
the scenes brought me crying. It was the courtroom scene
where she gets to confront Rodney and she gets to
have a speech. I never got that opportunity in court.
(37:13):
I sat on the stand, I saw him, I looked
him in the eyes, but I wasn't allowed to say
anything besides the cross you know, the DA was cross examining,
cross examining, but I never got to have like a
a word with him, like you know, a goodbye almost
in a way. And so with a scene, I was like, oh, man,
(37:33):
I don't know what's going to come up for me here.
And so I called Morgan. I said, you know, I
want to play this, and you know, I asked her
certain things like how she felt in this scene or
in that scene, because it's very similar and her speech
that she said is pretty similar to what is written
in the script, and so you know, I tried to
also honor her story as much as I could as well.
(37:56):
And so when I called her, I said, hey, I
just need to ask about that courtroom scene. You know what,
what was kind of going through your head from your
point of view, and you know, how were you when
you were saying the speech.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Were you crying?
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Were you?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
And she was like I was just stone cold, super
you know, strong, and you know, didn't flinch, looked him
straight in the eye and then it never looked at
him again. And so I told the director this and
I'm like, all right, so this is how Morgan played it,
and She's like kind of what Austin said is. She goes,
this is also a story. So she's like, tell the story.
How you would tell the story? What would you say
(38:29):
to your abuser on the stand? And so it was
one take because there was no way I could do
that again. So I asked her. I asked the director,
I go, do you mind if we do my close
up first? And she's like absolutely, I go, I think
I'm going to play it how. I'll give you obviously
as money takes, as you want. I was like, but
I'm going to play it in my brain how I
(38:51):
would have said it to my abuser on the stand.
And it was I mean, they kept in every emotion,
every piece, and it was probably I walked away and
I and I remembered what my therapist and where she
said you got to take the power back that day
m H. And I got to like bury it. Wow,
and it was like what a therapeutic it was.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:12):
So also to the people watching, like you can still
even and you can still have that moment, have that
moment to yourself if you have to say it to
yourself in the mirror or you take the power back
from that situation, because that was the most it was,
like I was telling Amy. I was like, it was
like a weight was lifted and I was able to
just really move on from it after how many years?
Speaker 1 (39:36):
But it's crazy, you probably didn't. Did you even realize
you really needed that no measure like that?
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Nope, that's so crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
So I'm so happy for you though, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Sunday Night eight seven, Central Gaslipay, my Husband, The Morgan
Metzer Story, and again nine nine Safe See you guys
next week.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
Yeah, I
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