May 30, 2022 • 33 mins
Jana talks real estate, relationships, and much more with Jason Oppenheim from “Selling Sunset” on Netflix! But, before Jana gets into all the details of what happened between Jason and Chrishell Stause, he has a big question for Jana!
Plus, we get a sneak peek at his new spin-off show “Selling the OC”!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Swine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
so I'm very excited about today's podcast because we've got
Jason I'm gonna I'm gonna say Openheim, Oppenheim, Oppenheim. I'm
pretty sure it's open him. Is that German? Sounds kind
of like it has to be. Yeah, it sounds like
something you'd say, Oppenheim open I'm not the mug. What's
(00:30):
the mug called? Oh? Shoot, um no, but it's I'm
kind of hopefully he's not going to because obviously we
got to ask him about Krishell. We got to ask
him about you know, Krishell and g Flip. We gotta
ask him about the Christine Sistine, which you definitely want
(00:53):
to talk to him about. So, I mean, what's his
vibe do you think they? Do you think he's I
think he's going to be like, um, very like politically correct,
you know what I mean, like just kind of like
play it cool, everybody's good. I mean, he started the
selling Sunset franchise right like it's because of his brother. Yeah,
(01:15):
that's crazy. I mean it's his brokerage. That show has
blown up, it has I love it. I can't me
to touch the new one. Yeah, I'm not see well, um,
let's take a break and then let's get him on.
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I mean like I'm so nasty, like I need to shower,
like I'm just the fact that I was just like
I was like, I can't wear this to the nail san.
It was just like disgusting. I was like I was
gonna like I was like I looked at the BOUTI
shorts on. Hi, how are you well? Nice to meet you.
I'm Janna, I'm Katherine. How are you? It's Katherine. Um,
(02:05):
so we are so excited to have you on wine down. Um. Yeah,
just just super pumped about it. And we're also heading
to Los Angeles this weekend. So I feel like, are
we in the market? Were in the market? But so
I moved from Los Angeles what three years ago? Um,
(02:26):
to Nashville. But I feel like, is there even people
moving to l A? Because everybody in my community is
from Los Angeles, Like everybody that I meet is like
from Yeah, It's like, so is that are you seeing that?
Or just because I feel like even because I lived
in l A for god fifteen something years maybe, and
it's it's one of those things where it's like people
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are always going to be moving there, right, it's like
one of those cities or now, I think we've seen
more more people leaving in the last two years, and
I've seen them ever since I've been here. I've never
seen this type of of wealth leaving the city for sure.
And it's in places like you know, Nashville, Miami or
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anywhere in Florida for that matter, their Vegas. Um just
you know, secondary markets, tertiary markets that you wouldn't have
thought of Austin, Texas, places like that. They just want
to get out for so many reasons. I mean so
many reasons. So does that worry you at all with
the market and and you know obviously with selling Sunset,
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but like you're gonna do like a selling Nashville and
then like just like you can have like a home
base and all these because are you part of the
new one that they're doing in the c or no,
yeah you are, okay, So I mean I feel like
you can like franchise out right to different places. You know,
I'm a weather guy, so I don't think I could
ever leave Soca. Mm hmm. I think a lot of
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people are going to be going through like a humid
time and in my ammy or I don't know enough
about the Nashville weather, but I'm sure you have some
rough bunds. And I feel like people are gonna be
moving back, so we'll see. I mean, you're gonna get
bit by mosquitoes and don't look at the ankles right now. Yeah,
I know some people like seasons, so seasons are nice. Listen,
(04:16):
we had a thunderstorm. I used to remember because I'm
just from Michigan and I moved to l A And
I was like, where's the thunderstorms? Like I love a
good thunderstorm, Like you get some good ones here, you know, Yeah,
I get thunderstorm, but I will give up on a
good thunderstorm for a lot, you know, not having three
months of thunderstorm right, That's fair? All right, Katherine, fire away,
(04:38):
because I know you've got some questions. I do. I
have a ton of questions. Where do we want to start?
Let's go Christine, Okay, Christine, Yes, let's talk about Christine.
I know we're gonna get it out of the way.
We're gonna get it out of the way, I promise.
Just where does how are things with you guys? Where
do y'all stand um, cordial cool. You know, I think
(05:00):
we're okay. I don't really know, um what the future
hole and just haven't gotten into it yet. Sure you know,
I'm open, but we haven't got we haven't got there yet,
So she was kind of I'm a little behind, um,
so she was kind of catching me up when we
were getting our nails done earlier. And I'm personally I've
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never really been a fan of Christine's. I don't know
she um. Her personality is just uh and it's really
rude for music as I hate when people judge me
without getting to know me. So but from what I see,
and I just it's not like a very warm energy
and seems like a little aggressive at times. And so
I don't like what you said she did though about
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how she asked someone like she paid someone to not
work with them, Like I feel like that's like a
that's a that's a move that's a little not cool
because it's like, aren't you guys were all part of
I mean, I guess she's leaving now, so right like
she's she's gone, I believe, so yeah it is, um,
I mean without getting into the details of that UM
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and I think there's a lot of nuance there that
that may have not been explicated you know fully to
the public. But because the truth is, agents provide financial
incentives to clients all the time for clients not to
work with other agents, They'll reduce their commission, they'll pay
pay for staging costs, you know, in order to encourage
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a client to come to them and set up to
another agent. Uh, what I don't want is that happening
in in my office. I don't want an agent, you know,
trying to encourage a client to move from one of
my agents to another one of my agents. I know
that it happens out, you know, in the wild, but
I don't want it to be happening in my own office.
So we've never had a chance to really talk through
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that yet. Um, you know, I wanna really give everyone
that benefit of doubt, and I don't want to judge,
like to hear the facts and the nuance of things,
as usually shades are greater things. So I'm kind of
waiting to hear more and to let that play out,
which is fair. I think that's great. Like I like that.
I mean, there are always, like you said, two sides
to every story, and until you are able to hear
(07:13):
her side of the story. I think that's only fair
to hold that. Who's your favorite on the show? Oh
that's hard. I like Mary. I love Mary, she's so sweet.
And Emma, I love them all. Emma, I had. Emma
and Mary are my like I mean obviously like Rich,
but also Emma and Mary or with my faiths. They
both came on the wind down to um, can I
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ask you kind of a personal question? You can ask
whatever you want if I don't answer, okay, Um, so
I know everyone has asked you pretty much question tonight.
Are you single? I am? Okay, Yeah, I've been single
(07:55):
for about two months now. Yeah, um yea very single.
Nailed my timing. I'm glad I didn't come on well
just I have two kids though, so that's that was
the question I was leading into, was the kids. So
I've got two kids. Um, and I remember from what
I heard from the things that I read, was that
(08:15):
you didn't want kids and that's why you and crishall
ended things. Um is that something where do you think
back and go man like I like, I know some
people is like oh like I I maybe would have
had one because I love that person so much, or
was that, like, do you have any regrets of of
that or you just simply don't want That's just not
something you've ever wanted. That's a there's a lot to
(08:37):
unpack there. Yeah, I don't know the difference between one
kid and two kids. I'm almost you know, I don't
know if that's that's an issue. I think the question
is is I think at some point I'll be married
and have kids. I think the question for me is,
you know, does that need to be now? I'm probably
(08:59):
gonna even until I'm nineties something. Um, and I feel
like I've got time. You know, I've got a lot
of purpose in my life and and I've got a
lot going on and h And that was difficult with Krishelle.
You know, I went into that relationship honestly almost probably
maybe leaning more towards you know, the idea, but maybe
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I hadn't thought it through and I had you know,
Chris Shell didn't pressure me, and she was very honest
from the beginning about her walks and and just excellent.
I mean, she's just an excellent woman and was an
excellent partner and um, you know, and I and I
do regret that we weren't able to you know, work
out because I think it, you know, I think she
(09:43):
would have been great, But I I just have to
be honest with myself, you know, not to be cliche,
but I mean I really do. I don't want to
let society or anyone else, you know, um tell me
what's best for me. And I just felt like, and
feel like what's best for me is not having a
family right now, and maybe that changes in months, years,
(10:04):
I mean never. I don't pretend to know the future.
I don't even try to another future. But I think
I made the right decision. I love that. I mean
mad respect for that, honestly. For you to be able
to recognize that and put aside of relationship that you
were happy in because you weren't ready for something, I
think that that's great. It was only fair to her honestly,
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you know, and to yourself. I mean, I wish I
could have understood that before, you know, we fell in
love and how to go through the difficulty of breaking up.
But you know, I'm not trying not to be too
hard on myself. Sometimes I am, yeah, but I think
it's one of those things where I mean, even like
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when I've re entered the dating world from my divorce
from last year. It's like in my mind, I was like, no,
I'm never having a kid again. And I remember when
I dated someone like well I want a kid, and
I'm like, but I but I don't. And then like
I've already have have two beautiful children. But then my
friends like, if you meet someone and they really want
a child, like you will be like, and I've I've
(11:10):
realized that now. It's like if I meet someone and
they and I'm really in love with this person, I
would probably be like, okay, like I'll try. I'll I
don't really want to, but like I will because you
love you don't want to lose that person. So I
don't know. But it's also like honoring yourself to like
what do you really want and what I really like?
Even want to track that again too, you know, so
for your sake, it's like that's not even you don't
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really know that until you get into the relationship anyways.
So if any they don't beat yourself up with that,
because it's like, how can you know you don't You
have to try it on and if it doesn't suit
you and where you're at in your life, like that's okay.
I mean, I guess that's the way I see it
as well. But it just you know, causing pain and
(11:51):
hardship and you know, uh, lost to someone that you
love like causing that is difficult, and knowing that that
you're just se Asian, uh is the cause of that.
It's difficult, no matter how much you tried to justify it.
Just it sucks. And then of course my own you
know pain, it was it was a process that was
(12:12):
more difficult than than I I I thought as well.
So I think I'm I think I'm getting my head
out of my ask though, and I think I'm starting
to you know, I feel a little bit better here.
Um So, I think honestly, oddly the reunion episode helped me.
I think that was a turning point for me. As
much as I wasn't looking forward to that reunion, Um
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it was. It was oddly cathartic, and I think Chrisselle
and I are getting to a good place. And I
think that's kind of, you know, making my heart feel better.
Because he said he watched it and he was you
were emotional. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he definitely was. I think
it was great though, I mean, it seems like it
was good for you and for her, and it was
(12:55):
you know, it seemed it seemed great. I wasn't just
watching it from my it was I mean we were
able to talk, you know, in between filming and afterwards
and subsequently, and you know, that was it was a
really helpful moment for us on screen and you know,
off screen. I mean, I know a lot of people
are probably asking about her new relationship. It was that
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kind of like a did she tell you before it
went public? Or was that kind of a shock? Not
a shock, but was just like confirmed before that was
when the first time that was confirmed was then you
else that too, But um, I had and I thought
that something was going on, you know, um because she
(13:36):
had like a party that a lot of us. I
wasn't invited, but like everyone else was, and it seemed
like there was something going on. And then I just
kind of heard rumblings about it. Um. But you know,
I mean, I in some ways, I mean it's kind
of helpful as well. You know, if she was single, Um,
(13:57):
maybe it'd be more difficult for me right now. I
honestly think it would be. So in some ways, I
think it's also a part of that, you know, cathartic.
You know, uh, resolution, that's a good point, that's true.
And I want her happy and she she really really
seems happy, um, and that that makes me feel better
and it makes me you know, it makes me happy
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for us. So I think all of it honestly has
been good. So I'm happy with for her and I'm
I think maybe in some ways it's it's helped me too.
Is there any piece of you that's still kind of
struggling with something along those lines of just I mean
anything right now in your life, like you know that
you kind of feel like either unresolved or are you
(14:38):
just that like a really good place. I would say that,
you know, I don't think I'm a hundred percent moved on,
you know, that would be ingenuous to say that. I mean,
of course there's feelings. I love her and I respect her,
and you know, obviously I'm not with her, so you
have you know, I think they'll always be regrets about that. Um,
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But I guess what's like, what's the regret that, like,
what's that piece you're holding onto and welcome to Welcome
to my couch. I think it's that, you know, it
was a beautiful relationship and I care about her deeply,
so you know the fact that I'm don't get to
experience that connection with her. It is just a loss.
(15:22):
So it's hard to explain. It doesn't mean that that
I made the wrong decision, doesn't mean that that I
that I that I feel like I want to be
back in that you know, relationship because of the situation,
you know, the situation about the family. But yeah, you
can't avoid feeling a little bit of loss there and
you know, probably even a little bit of what if
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you know, I mean, it's just human nature. I think
too always and it's like the road not Taking by
Robert Frost. It's like that you go down one path,
but you always think about the path that you didn't choose,
and that's just life. H I wonder what the difference
between loss and regret though, Like is there, Like I
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think there's definitely a difference. Yeah, because it's good is
that you wish you had made a different decision. In
my opinion, loss is just feeling is that you made
the right decision, But it doesn't mean it was easy,
and it doesn't mean that you aren't sad because you
couldn't take the other path. But when you said like
you would regret. I'm like about like because I just
(16:25):
maybe I shouldn't use the word regret because I because
I don't want them like I don't as I'm like,
now you're friend, I don't want you to hold on
to regret, like, but if you do, like, let's release it.
Maybe I don't think regrets the right word. It's just,
you know, I think there's always that that idea of
the other path and what it would be like I mean,
(16:46):
oddly enough that that's that poem is my favorite poem,
and it's moved me ever since the first time I
read it. I have it up on a neon sign
on my wall because I because life is literally just
about making looking on two different roads and choosing one
and always wondering what that other road would have would
have led to, like a practical geometry life in a way,
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you know, you just keep branching off. Yeah, I know.
It is interesting because sometimes I think, like in past relationships,
I'm like, man, if I would have just done this,
like would we would we have worked? Or And I
honestly think if it's not meant for you, it's not
going to stay, you know. And that's like where I
always have to remind myself, like there's some divine thing,
whether it's God or but I just where it's just
(17:28):
it's not. If it's meant for me, it will stay
and we'll work it out. Everything else is like it
will either God will take him away or like I will. Really,
I don't know, that's just that's just kind of my
my thoughts with that. Yeah, why is it called a
wine down? W h I N Well, so good question.
Um it's not everybody drinks. And yeah, I was because
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at first it started as like a mommy podcast, so wine,
but I love we love wine. But then it became
more of like a then so then we just yeah,
so it's just the story. Well it's a long, long story. Sure,
it's just mind. It's cool. I just wonder. I like
it when he interviews you back, Oh he did. I
was like, I was like, do you mind if I
get deep with you, you know, and ask you know,
(18:13):
some hard questions, And he's like, do you do you
mind if I ask some questions? I was like, sure,
do you have any do you have any other ones?
I know you only have a few more minutes. Can
I okay, I'll ask why you broke up with your
was it a husband? You only have a few more minutes.
We're gonna really need to pick a different question coming
(18:37):
to l A, so you may just have to explain
it to me. I guess you were right, charming, little smiled.
I mean, this is who you'd have to get past
if if we're you know, and you don't have to
get past like you're gonna have to get past nine women,
so we're oh, that's yeah, I think it'd be way harder. Honestly, yeah,
(19:03):
I think we've seen this movie before and end. Well,
but which one the one where we had to go
past nine girls? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah that didn't work
my ex Yeah, um okay, questions selling, Uh well, okay,
she's she's trying to divert. Let's talk about a little.
(19:27):
I haven't even watched it yet, so I do not
know anything about it. No one's watched it out for
was it not even out yet? Well then that's why
when does it come out? I don't know. I'm just
guessing like August September, but I'm literally guessing. I don't know. Okay, okay,
so what is is there a big difference between the two,
(19:50):
like your agents are. They're a lot different, they say, so,
there's some similarities, and it's it's another office that I have. UM,
and it's probably you know, learn number of agents, but
it's men and women, so probably about half and half. Um.
And they're they've also seen selling Sunset, so I think
they're even less you know, and they're just they let
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it all hang out. I haven't watched it, but I
have a feeling it's gonna be very good. Um, just
based on what I've heard and based on talking to
Netflix and talking production is going to be really good.
So I'm excited. I'm actually headed down there in like
five minutes after we get off. UM. I love those guys.
I love filming. I really enjoy it. So UM, I
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like Newport. Yeah, I know you have to go. Um,
but thank you so much for coming on wine down
and U h with an age. Thanks for your toe alright,
by bye. Well I had to say I was late.
I'm sweating. Was it like that old? I mean not
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really kind of towards the beginning, he just when she
asked if she could ask personal question, He's like, well,
can I are you single? That kind of like very
I liked it. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. Oh,
I'm sure he was just playing around, But I mean
it did kind of like me because I got like,
I got flustered, really flex because I was I know,
I was like, um, and he said we were going
(21:15):
to be in l A before he asked that question.
Shoot who Well, um, okay, I'm a little flustered. I
was like, we need to talk about I shouldn't. We're
done with bald guys. This looks similar. We gotta get out.
Oh my goodness, gracious. Um No, he seems really cool.
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He seems like a cool dude. Well, he's a charming guy. Yeah,
I don't. I don't honestly know much about him, sides
that he dated Crissell and then he like owns the
so Tim and his twin brother Okay, oh no Openheim
group Brett and are they identical? Yeah, Oh yeah I do.
I didn't know that because I mean I've watched, Like honestly,
(21:57):
I started this past season because it was just like
there's so much buzz around it. But I was like, oh,
I'm gonna'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it a
listen or watch. Um, And I thought it was really great.
The pregnant one is my favorite. I don't know her name, Christine. No, No,
that's the belly out and where's all these like super
little well Christie. If it's Christine, she's already had her baby. Whatever,
(22:18):
you're pregnant with the blond Christine and who left? Yeah,
pregnant on the show. But there's another one. I feel
like I need to come back and say, like, because
I don't like the fact that I said I didn't
like her, because I feel like I hate it when
people say that to me, like they don't like me.
But I just from the show, she always just seem
like she was kind of nasty to the other girls.
A lot of people feel that way. Yeah, and she
(22:40):
may have just been painted that way, you know, but
if you watch it on mute, you just like her.
You have to listen. No, I mean again, she's I mean,
she wasn't my favorite either, but I think that she
was kind of, like any reality show, kind of put
in that position and maybe not. I mean, I don't
know her personally, but it seemed to me she was
a little bit put in that position as to to
(23:03):
be the villain for you just have a bunch of
care bears that's not fun to watch, and the drama,
And there was definitely moments when she was you could
tell she had a hard time being vulnerable and dealing
with the fact that she was losing these friendships. And
there were moments that she was and I saw glimpses
of like I can tell she wants these friendships, but
she's fighting it too, you know what I mean. So
(23:25):
I mean I didn't Yeah, it's not all bad. Well,
then maybe that was, and so I'm sorry I didn't.
Uh yeah, because I because I get so mad when
people do that to me, when it's like they don't
actually they just but again, you're putting yourself out there
to be Yeah, yeah, it's part of the judge or criticized. Um,
but yeah, that's just the That was kind of like
(23:47):
my first instinct when I watched some but I've only
watched a few episodes. Maybe I came into at the
very end where she hasn't been very charming. Well, and
like Jason said, he hasn't had a chance to even
sit down and talk to her about that situation with
the agent, So I think he handled it really well
and he's not going to sit here and say she's
you know, wrong, without having hearing her side of the story.
(24:08):
So interesting, Well, no, I want to finish it. Um,
let's take a break and then we've back This is
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Paris now wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, so where
are we at it is? Hey Kristen, Hi, where are
you at? Late late um to be in? I was
at home living that mom life, waiting on a sitter,
(25:14):
aren't we always? We? Sure are ran into Nick yesterday? Great? Yeah,
I want to talk about that. It was really great.
I just want to compliment you guys again on your maturity.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Really great. He actually sent
me a really sweet message the other day, likely very sweet,
like just so thankful for how you're handling this with
(25:35):
such grace and like it was really sweet, usually sweet,
so I'm thankful for that. There's that I feel like
you had kind of like one of those first single
mama weekends where it was just and I was I
was kind of talking to Pam. We went for a
walk before I workout, and she to Catherine, I was like, no,
but I was like, I think she'd finally had that
moment where it's like right after the dust and then
(25:59):
you're like, you have to do all of it by yourself,
and it's a lot, because you came over to my
house on Sunday and you just looked like you've been
like just sat on the coups. She's like, are you
sad today? And I was like, well, first of all,
I did tell her this, like for people honestly like you,
not to put your husband down or pay them or whatever.
You know that their husband's travel a lot, they're used
(26:21):
to doing y'all are used to doing a lot on
your own. Yeah, but I've always had help, you know.
I mean, we've always been very you know, we all
were pretty fifty fifties take care of the kids. So
this was kind of like my first five days just
being the kids, and it was just like one thing
after another, like just going wrong. It was like little things,
(26:43):
you know, and then the dog and diarrhea all over
the bedroom and just like you when I got crying,
you know, dropped a bottle of whiskey and it shattered everywhere.
You know. It's just like one thing after another, and
I was just like, okay, just sit down to breathe,
that's fine. Did you cry, um, because I remember my
(27:04):
first like I'm trying to think, I think I cried.
I cried a little bit. Yeah, I did cry a
little bit after one of them. I don't even remember
at this point. It was a blur. It was probably
after the dog. If I had it, it was I
don't want to project my feelings onto you. Yeah, so yeah,
(27:27):
it was definitely kind of that first, but it wasn't
you know. It was also at the same time like reassuring.
It's like, I know I can do this on my own,
you know, And I know I can. It's just and
I never really had to, yeah, And it's just an adjustment.
And honestly, he's still helpful, and you know, he's taken
the kids to school, some even all my days and
(27:48):
so that's all good. I'm trying to figure out what
is easier verse harder in this situation because we kind
of had a little thing the other day. Can we
talk about that because I'm just because it's like and
I started to think about I'm like, man, what would
have been? Because obviously in my situation with with my ex,
(28:08):
it was now that people had to pick a side,
but I think everyone chose two. I mean, we chose you, um,
But in this situation, it's it's tough, right because he
didn't cheat on you, and he was you know, he
(28:31):
wasn't bad to you, and but he's now he's you know,
he's your ex. So it's like, but he's still our friend.
And so the other day, um, I had um Josh
Beach and um some che Grimes over and we were
hanging out and Josh was like, hey, Nick's gonna pop over.
Is that cool? And I'm like yeah, like yeah, but
(28:53):
but I would have never like and I wanted her
know like that, what did Josh know? But I mean,
like I just think he's like, you know, we're all friends, like,
and so it just kind of in my mind, I'm like, oh, shoot,
like I don't want Katherine to think that. I was like, hey, Nick,
come on over, like because I've hung out with Nick
and one on one since the divorce, but never to
like a pool party, you know what I mean. Like,
(29:15):
so it's like I didn't want but then it's like that,
like and then I knew that hurt you, and so
trying to find that balance and like, man, it's it
almost easier if it was just like pick a side. Well,
you know, even though it's hard, and I told you,
I think one is I didn't know what was happening.
I think that was a little tough. And we're all
still a family on Life three sixty and I just
(29:36):
see that he's here, so it's like, oh man. And
then I saw that like Beach was here, and I
was like, man, I haven't heard from them, you know,
which is fine. He's closer to them, and again, I
want him to have those relationships. But I think that
I definitely had a moment of like, man, like my
friends are all hanging out and he's over there. I'm not,
you know, but I don't want that. It's just also
(29:58):
kind of hard. I don't know, it's like this middle
like I don't want that, Like I want him and
Josh to be friends. Um, I want y'all to be friends.
You know. I think it's but you did ask, you know,
on the front end if it was okay if you
talk to him and stuff and myself of course, like
I want all my friends to talk to him. But yeah,
it does feel a little bit different, I think with
the hanging out situation. But that's also something I think
(30:19):
I just want to get past. I mean, that's where
I'm at now, you know, I think that it's you know,
it's hard. I don't know, it's a hard situation. I
don't expect anyone to pick sides at all. Um, but
part of me is like, maybe he could have his
friends over here and I could have my friends over here.
So but we'll see, we'll figure out the groove. Yeah,
(30:42):
there's not an easy answer, honestly. Grief and gratitude at one. Yeah. Yeah,
And and I'm getting a tattoo of it on my hand.
Do you guys want to get a tattoo in Chicago
to sure? Will you? I got a little jealous. I'm
not gonna lie. I don't like that word. But you
guys are need tattoos and l a and oh, that's like,
let's do it. It's like a Michigan girl favorite pastime.
(31:05):
I don't have any of them. Show you regret from
two thousands. There it is a butterfly. That's what I'm
getting right here when my dates are removed on my arm.
I just have one key advice to you, and that
is to judge your artist based on what his work
looks like and not what he looks like. Oh, my
eighteen year old mistake. Joey was awfully you. He pasted on,
but he looked like Joey Jo got a tramp stamp.
(31:30):
Give a tramp stamp? Am I forty or am my forty?
It's a product of my generation is Oh, it's horrible.
And every time every time my husband I are in
the shower, was like, tell me again, one, what is
(31:52):
it again? Let me see? Okay, I hang on, hang on,
I gotta give you a coup. I need to get else.
I didn't the other night of her wine. Do we
not remember this? No? I don't remember a lot from
that night. First it was stars and they were pink
and yellow and they meant something. I remember it being deep,
but I can't we don't remember. I don't remember. I
(32:15):
mean like people had lost. But I think because the
loss then was so I don't want to say like juvenile,
but I think it was like your high school swetheart. No, yeah,
shout out to Matthews. Um. Anyways, then I had a
colored in because I thought that would like to clean
(32:35):
it up. And so now with that being said, you
can look at my drum really something sramer. Oh my god,
it's a little smudgy. Why is the heart that star
is so close to that star? Well, I don't think
it used to be, but I think the skin has
gotten a little. I think the stars were like a
(32:57):
full I can't I can't really tell you. It's back there.
It's all behind me now, it's really back there. So anyways,
highwaisted who votes for highwaisted? This girl? Oh goodness gracious?
All right, Well that's that ending it like this? Um yeah,
(33:17):
this is the end. We're ending, so um, happy ending,
Happy ladies and gentlemen. Christen Breast find us in Chicago. Um,
it's going to be fun, it's gonna be great. Yeah,
(33:41):
we're gonna get tattoos. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, alright,
guess bye
Swine Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
so I'm very excited about today's podcast because we've got
Jason I'm gonna I'm gonna say Openheim, Oppenheim, Oppenheim. I'm
pretty sure it's open him. Is that German? Sounds kind
of like it has to be. Yeah, it sounds like
something you'd say, Oppenheim open I'm not the mug. What's
(00:30):
the mug called? Oh? Shoot, um no, but it's I'm
kind of hopefully he's not going to because obviously we
got to ask him about Krishell. We got to ask
him about you know, Krishell and g Flip. We gotta
ask him about the Christine Sistine, which you definitely want
(00:53):
to talk to him about. So, I mean, what's his
vibe do you think they? Do you think he's I
think he's going to be like, um, very like politically correct,
you know what I mean, like just kind of like
play it cool, everybody's good. I mean, he started the
selling Sunset franchise right like it's because of his brother. Yeah,
(01:15):
that's crazy. I mean it's his brokerage. That show has
blown up, it has I love it. I can't me
to touch the new one. Yeah, I'm not see well, um,
let's take a break and then let's get him on.
(01:41):
I mean like I'm so nasty, like I need to shower,
like I'm just the fact that I was just like
I was like, I can't wear this to the nail san.
It was just like disgusting. I was like I was
gonna like I was like I looked at the BOUTI
shorts on. Hi, how are you well? Nice to meet you.
I'm Janna, I'm Katherine. How are you? It's Katherine. Um,
(02:05):
so we are so excited to have you on wine down. Um. Yeah,
just just super pumped about it. And we're also heading
to Los Angeles this weekend. So I feel like, are
we in the market? Were in the market? But so
I moved from Los Angeles what three years ago? Um,
(02:26):
to Nashville. But I feel like, is there even people
moving to l A? Because everybody in my community is
from Los Angeles, Like everybody that I meet is like
from Yeah, It's like, so is that are you seeing that?
Or just because I feel like even because I lived
in l A for god fifteen something years maybe, and
it's it's one of those things where it's like people
(02:48):
are always going to be moving there, right, it's like
one of those cities or now, I think we've seen
more more people leaving in the last two years, and
I've seen them ever since I've been here. I've never
seen this type of of wealth leaving the city for sure.
And it's in places like you know, Nashville, Miami or
(03:11):
anywhere in Florida for that matter, their Vegas. Um just
you know, secondary markets, tertiary markets that you wouldn't have
thought of Austin, Texas, places like that. They just want
to get out for so many reasons. I mean so
many reasons. So does that worry you at all with
the market and and you know obviously with selling Sunset,
(03:31):
but like you're gonna do like a selling Nashville and
then like just like you can have like a home
base and all these because are you part of the
new one that they're doing in the c or no,
yeah you are, okay, So I mean I feel like
you can like franchise out right to different places. You know,
I'm a weather guy, so I don't think I could
ever leave Soca. Mm hmm. I think a lot of
(03:55):
people are going to be going through like a humid
time and in my ammy or I don't know enough
about the Nashville weather, but I'm sure you have some
rough bunds. And I feel like people are gonna be
moving back, so we'll see. I mean, you're gonna get
bit by mosquitoes and don't look at the ankles right now. Yeah,
I know some people like seasons, so seasons are nice. Listen,
(04:16):
we had a thunderstorm. I used to remember because I'm
just from Michigan and I moved to l A And
I was like, where's the thunderstorms? Like I love a
good thunderstorm, Like you get some good ones here, you know, Yeah,
I get thunderstorm, but I will give up on a
good thunderstorm for a lot, you know, not having three
months of thunderstorm right, That's fair? All right, Katherine, fire away,
(04:38):
because I know you've got some questions. I do. I
have a ton of questions. Where do we want to start?
Let's go Christine, Okay, Christine, Yes, let's talk about Christine.
I know we're gonna get it out of the way.
We're gonna get it out of the way, I promise.
Just where does how are things with you guys? Where
do y'all stand um, cordial cool. You know, I think
(05:00):
we're okay. I don't really know, um what the future
hole and just haven't gotten into it yet. Sure you know,
I'm open, but we haven't got we haven't got there yet,
So she was kind of I'm a little behind, um,
so she was kind of catching me up when we
were getting our nails done earlier. And I'm personally I've
(05:22):
never really been a fan of Christine's. I don't know
she um. Her personality is just uh and it's really
rude for music as I hate when people judge me
without getting to know me. So but from what I see,
and I just it's not like a very warm energy
and seems like a little aggressive at times. And so
I don't like what you said she did though about
(05:44):
how she asked someone like she paid someone to not
work with them, Like I feel like that's like a
that's a that's a move that's a little not cool
because it's like, aren't you guys were all part of
I mean, I guess she's leaving now, so right like
she's she's gone, I believe, so yeah it is, um,
I mean without getting into the details of that UM
(06:06):
and I think there's a lot of nuance there that
that may have not been explicated you know fully to
the public. But because the truth is, agents provide financial
incentives to clients all the time for clients not to
work with other agents, They'll reduce their commission, they'll pay
pay for staging costs, you know, in order to encourage
(06:29):
a client to come to them and set up to
another agent. Uh, what I don't want is that happening
in in my office. I don't want an agent, you know,
trying to encourage a client to move from one of
my agents to another one of my agents. I know
that it happens out, you know, in the wild, but
I don't want it to be happening in my own office.
So we've never had a chance to really talk through
(06:50):
that yet. Um, you know, I wanna really give everyone
that benefit of doubt, and I don't want to judge,
like to hear the facts and the nuance of things,
as usually shades are greater things. So I'm kind of
waiting to hear more and to let that play out,
which is fair. I think that's great. Like I like that.
I mean, there are always, like you said, two sides
to every story, and until you are able to hear
(07:13):
her side of the story. I think that's only fair
to hold that. Who's your favorite on the show? Oh
that's hard. I like Mary. I love Mary, she's so sweet.
And Emma, I love them all. Emma, I had. Emma
and Mary are my like I mean obviously like Rich,
but also Emma and Mary or with my faiths. They
both came on the wind down to um, can I
(07:34):
ask you kind of a personal question? You can ask
whatever you want if I don't answer, okay, Um, so
I know everyone has asked you pretty much question tonight.
Are you single? I am? Okay, Yeah, I've been single
(07:55):
for about two months now. Yeah, um yea very single.
Nailed my timing. I'm glad I didn't come on well
just I have two kids though, so that's that was
the question I was leading into, was the kids. So
I've got two kids. Um, and I remember from what
I heard from the things that I read, was that
(08:15):
you didn't want kids and that's why you and crishall
ended things. Um is that something where do you think
back and go man like I like, I know some
people is like oh like I I maybe would have
had one because I love that person so much, or
was that, like, do you have any regrets of of
that or you just simply don't want That's just not
something you've ever wanted. That's a there's a lot to
(08:37):
unpack there. Yeah, I don't know the difference between one
kid and two kids. I'm almost you know, I don't
know if that's that's an issue. I think the question
is is I think at some point I'll be married
and have kids. I think the question for me is,
you know, does that need to be now? I'm probably
(08:59):
gonna even until I'm nineties something. Um, and I feel
like I've got time. You know, I've got a lot
of purpose in my life and and I've got a
lot going on and h And that was difficult with Krishelle.
You know, I went into that relationship honestly almost probably
maybe leaning more towards you know, the idea, but maybe
(09:20):
I hadn't thought it through and I had you know,
Chris Shell didn't pressure me, and she was very honest
from the beginning about her walks and and just excellent.
I mean, she's just an excellent woman and was an
excellent partner and um, you know, and I and I
do regret that we weren't able to you know, work
out because I think it, you know, I think she
(09:43):
would have been great, But I I just have to
be honest with myself, you know, not to be cliche,
but I mean I really do. I don't want to
let society or anyone else, you know, um tell me
what's best for me. And I just felt like, and
feel like what's best for me is not having a
family right now, and maybe that changes in months, years,
(10:04):
I mean never. I don't pretend to know the future.
I don't even try to another future. But I think
I made the right decision. I love that. I mean
mad respect for that, honestly. For you to be able
to recognize that and put aside of relationship that you
were happy in because you weren't ready for something, I
think that that's great. It was only fair to her honestly,
(10:26):
you know, and to yourself. I mean, I wish I
could have understood that before, you know, we fell in
love and how to go through the difficulty of breaking up.
But you know, I'm not trying not to be too
hard on myself. Sometimes I am, yeah, but I think
it's one of those things where I mean, even like
(10:48):
when I've re entered the dating world from my divorce
from last year. It's like in my mind, I was like, no,
I'm never having a kid again. And I remember when
I dated someone like well I want a kid, and
I'm like, but I but I don't. And then like
I've already have have two beautiful children. But then my
friends like, if you meet someone and they really want
a child, like you will be like, and I've I've
(11:10):
realized that now. It's like if I meet someone and
they and I'm really in love with this person, I
would probably be like, okay, like I'll try. I'll I
don't really want to, but like I will because you
love you don't want to lose that person. So I
don't know. But it's also like honoring yourself to like
what do you really want and what I really like?
Even want to track that again too, you know, so
for your sake, it's like that's not even you don't
(11:30):
really know that until you get into the relationship anyways.
So if any they don't beat yourself up with that,
because it's like, how can you know you don't You
have to try it on and if it doesn't suit
you and where you're at in your life, like that's okay.
I mean, I guess that's the way I see it
as well. But it just you know, causing pain and
(11:51):
hardship and you know, uh, lost to someone that you
love like causing that is difficult, and knowing that that
you're just se Asian, uh is the cause of that.
It's difficult, no matter how much you tried to justify it.
Just it sucks. And then of course my own you
know pain, it was it was a process that was
(12:12):
more difficult than than I I I thought as well.
So I think I'm I think I'm getting my head
out of my ask though, and I think I'm starting
to you know, I feel a little bit better here.
Um So, I think honestly, oddly the reunion episode helped me.
I think that was a turning point for me. As
much as I wasn't looking forward to that reunion, Um
(12:34):
it was. It was oddly cathartic, and I think Chrisselle
and I are getting to a good place. And I
think that's kind of, you know, making my heart feel better.
Because he said he watched it and he was you
were emotional. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he definitely was. I think
it was great though, I mean, it seems like it
was good for you and for her, and it was
(12:55):
you know, it seemed it seemed great. I wasn't just
watching it from my it was I mean we were
able to talk, you know, in between filming and afterwards
and subsequently, and you know, that was it was a
really helpful moment for us on screen and you know,
off screen. I mean, I know a lot of people
are probably asking about her new relationship. It was that
(13:16):
kind of like a did she tell you before it
went public? Or was that kind of a shock? Not
a shock, but was just like confirmed before that was
when the first time that was confirmed was then you
else that too, But um, I had and I thought
that something was going on, you know, um because she
(13:36):
had like a party that a lot of us. I
wasn't invited, but like everyone else was, and it seemed
like there was something going on. And then I just
kind of heard rumblings about it. Um. But you know,
I mean, I in some ways, I mean it's kind
of helpful as well. You know, if she was single, Um,
(13:57):
maybe it'd be more difficult for me right now. I
honestly think it would be. So in some ways, I
think it's also a part of that, you know, cathartic.
You know, uh, resolution, that's a good point, that's true.
And I want her happy and she she really really
seems happy, um, and that that makes me feel better
and it makes me you know, it makes me happy
(14:18):
for us. So I think all of it honestly has
been good. So I'm happy with for her and I'm
I think maybe in some ways it's it's helped me too.
Is there any piece of you that's still kind of
struggling with something along those lines of just I mean
anything right now in your life, like you know that
you kind of feel like either unresolved or are you
(14:38):
just that like a really good place. I would say that,
you know, I don't think I'm a hundred percent moved on,
you know, that would be ingenuous to say that. I mean,
of course there's feelings. I love her and I respect her,
and you know, obviously I'm not with her, so you
have you know, I think they'll always be regrets about that. Um,
(14:59):
But I guess what's like, what's the regret that, like,
what's that piece you're holding onto and welcome to Welcome
to my couch. I think it's that, you know, it
was a beautiful relationship and I care about her deeply,
so you know the fact that I'm don't get to
experience that connection with her. It is just a loss.
(15:22):
So it's hard to explain. It doesn't mean that that
I made the wrong decision, doesn't mean that that I
that I that I feel like I want to be
back in that you know, relationship because of the situation,
you know, the situation about the family. But yeah, you
can't avoid feeling a little bit of loss there and
you know, probably even a little bit of what if
(15:43):
you know, I mean, it's just human nature. I think
too always and it's like the road not Taking by
Robert Frost. It's like that you go down one path,
but you always think about the path that you didn't choose,
and that's just life. H I wonder what the difference
between loss and regret though, Like is there, Like I
(16:04):
think there's definitely a difference. Yeah, because it's good is
that you wish you had made a different decision. In
my opinion, loss is just feeling is that you made
the right decision, But it doesn't mean it was easy,
and it doesn't mean that you aren't sad because you
couldn't take the other path. But when you said like
you would regret. I'm like about like because I just
(16:25):
maybe I shouldn't use the word regret because I because
I don't want them like I don't as I'm like,
now you're friend, I don't want you to hold on
to regret, like, but if you do, like, let's release it.
Maybe I don't think regrets the right word. It's just,
you know, I think there's always that that idea of
the other path and what it would be like I mean,
(16:46):
oddly enough that that's that poem is my favorite poem,
and it's moved me ever since the first time I
read it. I have it up on a neon sign
on my wall because I because life is literally just
about making looking on two different roads and choosing one
and always wondering what that other road would have would
have led to, like a practical geometry life in a way,
(17:07):
you know, you just keep branching off. Yeah, I know.
It is interesting because sometimes I think, like in past relationships,
I'm like, man, if I would have just done this,
like would we would we have worked? Or And I
honestly think if it's not meant for you, it's not
going to stay, you know. And that's like where I
always have to remind myself, like there's some divine thing,
whether it's God or but I just where it's just
(17:28):
it's not. If it's meant for me, it will stay
and we'll work it out. Everything else is like it
will either God will take him away or like I will. Really,
I don't know, that's just that's just kind of my
my thoughts with that. Yeah, why is it called a
wine down? W h I N Well, so good question.
Um it's not everybody drinks. And yeah, I was because
(17:52):
at first it started as like a mommy podcast, so wine,
but I love we love wine. But then it became
more of like a then so then we just yeah,
so it's just the story. Well it's a long, long story. Sure,
it's just mind. It's cool. I just wonder. I like
it when he interviews you back, Oh he did. I
was like, I was like, do you mind if I
get deep with you, you know, and ask you know,
(18:13):
some hard questions, And he's like, do you do you
mind if I ask some questions? I was like, sure,
do you have any do you have any other ones?
I know you only have a few more minutes. Can
I okay, I'll ask why you broke up with your
was it a husband? You only have a few more minutes.
We're gonna really need to pick a different question coming
(18:37):
to l A, so you may just have to explain
it to me. I guess you were right, charming, little smiled.
I mean, this is who you'd have to get past
if if we're you know, and you don't have to
get past like you're gonna have to get past nine women,
so we're oh, that's yeah, I think it'd be way harder. Honestly, yeah,
(19:03):
I think we've seen this movie before and end. Well,
but which one the one where we had to go
past nine girls? Oh? Yeah, yeah, yeah that didn't work
my ex Yeah, um okay, questions selling, Uh well, okay,
she's she's trying to divert. Let's talk about a little.
(19:27):
I haven't even watched it yet, so I do not
know anything about it. No one's watched it out for
was it not even out yet? Well then that's why
when does it come out? I don't know. I'm just
guessing like August September, but I'm literally guessing. I don't know. Okay, okay,
so what is is there a big difference between the two,
(19:50):
like your agents are. They're a lot different, they say, so,
there's some similarities, and it's it's another office that I have. UM,
and it's probably you know, learn number of agents, but
it's men and women, so probably about half and half. Um.
And they're they've also seen selling Sunset, so I think
they're even less you know, and they're just they let
(20:11):
it all hang out. I haven't watched it, but I
have a feeling it's gonna be very good. Um, just
based on what I've heard and based on talking to
Netflix and talking production is going to be really good.
So I'm excited. I'm actually headed down there in like
five minutes after we get off. UM. I love those guys.
I love filming. I really enjoy it. So UM, I
(20:31):
like Newport. Yeah, I know you have to go. Um,
but thank you so much for coming on wine down
and U h with an age. Thanks for your toe alright,
by bye. Well I had to say I was late.
I'm sweating. Was it like that old? I mean not
(20:52):
really kind of towards the beginning, he just when she
asked if she could ask personal question, He's like, well,
can I are you single? That kind of like very
I liked it. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised at all. Oh,
I'm sure he was just playing around, But I mean
it did kind of like me because I got like,
I got flustered, really flex because I was I know,
I was like, um, and he said we were going
(21:15):
to be in l A before he asked that question.
Shoot who Well, um, okay, I'm a little flustered. I
was like, we need to talk about I shouldn't. We're
done with bald guys. This looks similar. We gotta get out.
Oh my goodness, gracious. Um No, he seems really cool.
(21:36):
He seems like a cool dude. Well, he's a charming guy. Yeah,
I don't. I don't honestly know much about him, sides
that he dated Crissell and then he like owns the
so Tim and his twin brother Okay, oh no Openheim
group Brett and are they identical? Yeah, Oh yeah I do.
I didn't know that because I mean I've watched, Like honestly,
(21:57):
I started this past season because it was just like
there's so much buzz around it. But I was like, oh,
I'm gonna'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give it a
listen or watch. Um, And I thought it was really great.
The pregnant one is my favorite. I don't know her name, Christine. No, No,
that's the belly out and where's all these like super
little well Christie. If it's Christine, she's already had her baby. Whatever,
(22:18):
you're pregnant with the blond Christine and who left? Yeah,
pregnant on the show. But there's another one. I feel
like I need to come back and say, like, because
I don't like the fact that I said I didn't
like her, because I feel like I hate it when
people say that to me, like they don't like me.
But I just from the show, she always just seem
like she was kind of nasty to the other girls.
A lot of people feel that way. Yeah, and she
(22:40):
may have just been painted that way, you know, but
if you watch it on mute, you just like her.
You have to listen. No, I mean again, she's I mean,
she wasn't my favorite either, but I think that she
was kind of, like any reality show, kind of put
in that position and maybe not. I mean, I don't
know her personally, but it seemed to me she was
a little bit put in that position as to to
(23:03):
be the villain for you just have a bunch of
care bears that's not fun to watch, and the drama,
And there was definitely moments when she was you could
tell she had a hard time being vulnerable and dealing
with the fact that she was losing these friendships. And
there were moments that she was and I saw glimpses
of like I can tell she wants these friendships, but
she's fighting it too, you know what I mean. So
(23:25):
I mean I didn't Yeah, it's not all bad. Well,
then maybe that was, and so I'm sorry I didn't.
Uh yeah, because I because I get so mad when
people do that to me, when it's like they don't
actually they just but again, you're putting yourself out there
to be Yeah, yeah, it's part of the judge or criticized. Um,
but yeah, that's just the That was kind of like
(23:47):
my first instinct when I watched some but I've only
watched a few episodes. Maybe I came into at the
very end where she hasn't been very charming. Well, and
like Jason said, he hasn't had a chance to even
sit down and talk to her about that situation with
the agent, So I think he handled it really well
and he's not going to sit here and say she's
you know, wrong, without having hearing her side of the story.
(24:08):
So interesting, Well, no, I want to finish it. Um,
let's take a break and then we've back This is
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Paris now wherever you listen to podcasts. Okay, so where
are we at it is? Hey Kristen, Hi, where are
you at? Late late um to be in? I was
at home living that mom life, waiting on a sitter,
(25:14):
aren't we always? We? Sure are ran into Nick yesterday? Great? Yeah,
I want to talk about that. It was really great.
I just want to compliment you guys again on your maturity.
Thank you. I appreciate that. Really great. He actually sent
me a really sweet message the other day, likely very sweet,
like just so thankful for how you're handling this with
(25:35):
such grace and like it was really sweet, usually sweet,
so I'm thankful for that. There's that I feel like
you had kind of like one of those first single
mama weekends where it was just and I was I
was kind of talking to Pam. We went for a
walk before I workout, and she to Catherine, I was like, no,
but I was like, I think she'd finally had that
moment where it's like right after the dust and then
(25:59):
you're like, you have to do all of it by yourself,
and it's a lot, because you came over to my
house on Sunday and you just looked like you've been
like just sat on the coups. She's like, are you
sad today? And I was like, well, first of all,
I did tell her this, like for people honestly like you,
not to put your husband down or pay them or whatever.
You know that their husband's travel a lot, they're used
(26:21):
to doing y'all are used to doing a lot on
your own. Yeah, but I've always had help, you know.
I mean, we've always been very you know, we all
were pretty fifty fifties take care of the kids. So
this was kind of like my first five days just
being the kids, and it was just like one thing
after another, like just going wrong. It was like little things,
(26:43):
you know, and then the dog and diarrhea all over
the bedroom and just like you when I got crying,
you know, dropped a bottle of whiskey and it shattered everywhere.
You know. It's just like one thing after another, and
I was just like, okay, just sit down to breathe,
that's fine. Did you cry, um, because I remember my
(27:04):
first like I'm trying to think, I think I cried.
I cried a little bit. Yeah, I did cry a
little bit after one of them. I don't even remember
at this point. It was a blur. It was probably
after the dog. If I had it, it was I
don't want to project my feelings onto you. Yeah, so yeah,
(27:27):
it was definitely kind of that first, but it wasn't
you know. It was also at the same time like reassuring.
It's like, I know I can do this on my own,
you know, And I know I can. It's just and
I never really had to, yeah, And it's just an adjustment.
And honestly, he's still helpful, and you know, he's taken
the kids to school, some even all my days and
(27:48):
so that's all good. I'm trying to figure out what
is easier verse harder in this situation because we kind
of had a little thing the other day. Can we
talk about that because I'm just because it's like and
I started to think about I'm like, man, what would
have been? Because obviously in my situation with with my ex,
(28:08):
it was now that people had to pick a side,
but I think everyone chose two. I mean, we chose you, um,
But in this situation, it's it's tough, right because he
didn't cheat on you, and he was you know, he
(28:31):
wasn't bad to you, and but he's now he's you know,
he's your ex. So it's like, but he's still our friend.
And so the other day, um, I had um Josh
Beach and um some che Grimes over and we were
hanging out and Josh was like, hey, Nick's gonna pop over.
Is that cool? And I'm like yeah, like yeah, but
(28:53):
but I would have never like and I wanted her
know like that, what did Josh know? But I mean,
like I just think he's like, you know, we're all friends, like,
and so it just kind of in my mind, I'm like, oh, shoot,
like I don't want Katherine to think that. I was like, hey, Nick,
come on over, like because I've hung out with Nick
and one on one since the divorce, but never to
like a pool party, you know what I mean. Like,
(29:15):
so it's like I didn't want but then it's like that,
like and then I knew that hurt you, and so
trying to find that balance and like, man, it's it
almost easier if it was just like pick a side. Well,
you know, even though it's hard, and I told you,
I think one is I didn't know what was happening.
I think that was a little tough. And we're all
still a family on Life three sixty and I just
(29:36):
see that he's here, so it's like, oh man. And
then I saw that like Beach was here, and I
was like, man, I haven't heard from them, you know,
which is fine. He's closer to them, and again, I
want him to have those relationships. But I think that
I definitely had a moment of like, man, like my
friends are all hanging out and he's over there. I'm not,
you know, but I don't want that. It's just also
(29:58):
kind of hard. I don't know, it's like this middle
like I don't want that, Like I want him and
Josh to be friends. Um, I want y'all to be friends.
You know. I think it's but you did ask, you know,
on the front end if it was okay if you
talk to him and stuff and myself of course, like
I want all my friends to talk to him. But yeah,
it does feel a little bit different, I think with
the hanging out situation. But that's also something I think
(30:19):
I just want to get past. I mean, that's where
I'm at now, you know, I think that it's you know,
it's hard. I don't know, it's a hard situation. I
don't expect anyone to pick sides at all. Um, but
part of me is like, maybe he could have his
friends over here and I could have my friends over here.
So but we'll see, we'll figure out the groove. Yeah,
(30:42):
there's not an easy answer, honestly. Grief and gratitude at one. Yeah. Yeah,
And and I'm getting a tattoo of it on my hand.
Do you guys want to get a tattoo in Chicago
to sure? Will you? I got a little jealous. I'm
not gonna lie. I don't like that word. But you
guys are need tattoos and l a and oh, that's like,
let's do it. It's like a Michigan girl favorite pastime.
(31:05):
I don't have any of them. Show you regret from
two thousands. There it is a butterfly. That's what I'm
getting right here when my dates are removed on my arm.
I just have one key advice to you, and that
is to judge your artist based on what his work
looks like and not what he looks like. Oh, my
eighteen year old mistake. Joey was awfully you. He pasted on,
but he looked like Joey Jo got a tramp stamp.
(31:30):
Give a tramp stamp? Am I forty or am my forty?
It's a product of my generation is Oh, it's horrible.
And every time every time my husband I are in
the shower, was like, tell me again, one, what is
(31:52):
it again? Let me see? Okay, I hang on, hang on,
I gotta give you a coup. I need to get else.
I didn't the other night of her wine. Do we
not remember this? No? I don't remember a lot from
that night. First it was stars and they were pink
and yellow and they meant something. I remember it being deep,
but I can't we don't remember. I don't remember. I
(32:15):
mean like people had lost. But I think because the
loss then was so I don't want to say like juvenile,
but I think it was like your high school swetheart. No, yeah,
shout out to Matthews. Um. Anyways, then I had a
colored in because I thought that would like to clean
(32:35):
it up. And so now with that being said, you
can look at my drum really something sramer. Oh my god,
it's a little smudgy. Why is the heart that star
is so close to that star? Well, I don't think
it used to be, but I think the skin has
gotten a little. I think the stars were like a
(32:57):
full I can't I can't really tell you. It's back there.
It's all behind me now, it's really back there. So anyways,
highwaisted who votes for highwaisted? This girl? Oh goodness gracious?
All right, Well that's that ending it like this? Um yeah,
(33:17):
this is the end. We're ending, so um, happy ending,
Happy ladies and gentlemen. Christen Breast find us in Chicago. Um,
it's going to be fun, it's gonna be great. Yeah,
(33:41):
we're gonna get tattoos. Yeah, let's do it. Okay, alright,
guess bye
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