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November 22, 2023 33 mins

What does the forensic evidence reveal? We start at the scene of the crime, move to the hospital and end with the strange autopsy. And with breaking news from one of Kennedy’s Secret Service Agents, the Single Bullet Theory will finally be put to rest.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
It's the evening of Friday, November twenty second, nineteen sixty three.
Earlier that day in Dallas, President Kennedy had been shot.
After the doctors at Parkland Hospital feverishly tried to save
his life. At approximately one pm, he was officially pronounced dead.

(00:27):
The president's body was then loaded onto Air Force one,
flown to Washington, and taken to Bethesda Naval Medical Center,
where a team of pathologists began not just the most
important autopsy of their careers, but the most important autopsy
in American history. Thirty six hours later, pathologists doctor j

(00:53):
Thornton Boswell and doctor James Humes concluded their work. Humes
finished the autopsy report at home. Now he fully understands
the importance of this report. It'll be a central piece
of the official record that describes how the president was killed.

(01:15):
It will be part of history, and it has to
be precise. But here's what he tells the Warrant Commission
the following year. Now, Sola, Dad, could you read this.
It's doctor Humes describing what he did that evening.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Doctor Hume says, quote, in the privacy of my own
home early in the morning of Sunday, November twenty fourth.
I made a draft of this report which I later revised,
and of which this represents the revision that draft I
personally burned in the fireplace of my recreation room.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Okay, could you repeat that last.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
Sentence, that draft I personally burned in the fireplace of
my recreation room. So he's admitting to the Warrant Commission
that he burned the original draft of the report, then
made a revised draft, and.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Once the revelation that Humes had burned the original copy
of the autopsy, he had to continue to defend himself.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
In nineteen ninety two, doctor Humes told The New York
Times that the original copy was stained with blood and
he didn't want it to become a quote ghoulish collector's item.
He insisted that the second report was copied verbatim, word
for word from the draft he burned.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
If it was only about accepting the lame excuse of
preserving the president's dignity, we might buy it. But burning
the autopsy report wasn't the only thing about the forensic
investigation that was suspicious, starting with the two so called
forensic pathologists that were in charge.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Humes and Boswell were not forensic pathologists.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
That's Doug Horn.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
From nineteen ninety five to eight, he was a senior
staff member of the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records
Review Board, and he's an expert on the case.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Now, it should be troubling to everybody who studies this
case that the two people selected to be the number
one and number two pathologist, these guys were pathologists who
did deaths due to natural causes. So Hume's and Boswell
really weren't qualified to be doing this autopsy, and yet
they were picked.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
So you have two doctors who are not certified nor
qualified in forensic pathology, and the lead doctor throws his
notes into the fireplace before handing in a revised draft.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.

Speaker 4 (03:50):
This is who killed JFK.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Sixty years later, What can we uncover about the greatest
murder mystery in American history? And why does it still
matter today? I'm your host, Solidad O'Brien.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
In the last episode, we learned that it was the
intent of the Warren Commission to prove that Lee Harvey
Oswald was the lone assassin of President Kennedy. Alan Dulles,
the godfather of the CIA was placed on the Commission
to make sure that any damning information about the CIA
was kept hidden. J Edgar Hoover ignored evidence that might

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implicate anyone other than Oswald. Then, in nineteen seventy six,
after learning that the Warren Commission had been compromised, the
House Select Committee on Assassinations launched a new investigation, and
though they were able to expose more than the Warren
Commission had, they too learned afterwards that their efforts had

(04:54):
been compromised because the liaison to the CIA that they
were given there was a man named George Joannedes. He
was a retired CIA agent who oversaw the special ops
program that had recruited Lejarvey. Oswald and joan Edes made

(05:15):
sure that the new committee never knew about that. And
although the House investigation concluded that Kennedy was killed as
a result of a conspiracy, they came to no conclusion
as to who took part in it. The result two
flawed government investigations with two completely different conclusions.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
So where does it leave us.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Well, first, let's look at the forensics how the victim died.
After that we'll take a look at the man who
they claimed did it. We'll dive into Oswald's world. We'll
find out who he really was, who he may have
been working for, how he was set up, and who
could have pulled this off. Then we'll have it all

(06:02):
unfold again, from the days leading up to the assassination
to the moment that Jack Ruby silenced Oswald, except this time,
when we ultimately relive it, we'll know the forces hiding
in the shadows behind it all. Okay, so let's get
into this. In any murder case, the forensic evidence is critical.

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It paints the picture of how the victim died, and
in this case, to prove a single gunman, the forensic
evidence should be straightforward. But trust me, it's far from that.
The bullets, the gun, the photographs, the doctor's first hand
reports are all heavily disputed, and in this episode we're

(06:50):
going to go through all of that. As I said,
like any other murder, you need to understand the forensic evidence.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
Forensic evidence it mattered because it was essential in determining
the site from which the shot was fired.

Speaker 6 (07:07):
That's the key to the case.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
That's doctor Cyril wet renowned forensic pathologists.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
The Warren commissioned report saying that Lee Harvey Oswald was
the sole assassin, the sole shooter, and that he fired
from behind from the sixth fur window of the Texas
school Book Depository building, and that there were no other shooters.
That's the essence of the case, because once you showed
two shooters, then you've got, of course, a conspiracy.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So let's take a look. According to the Warren report,
Oswald fired three shots.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
How did they arrive at that number?

Speaker 1 (07:47):
It was based on two initial pieces of evidence. One
was the Dallas police report and the second was the
Subruder film.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Remember the Dallas dressmaker Abraham's a Bruder, the whole thing
on camera.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
The Saprudi film has no sound, so you can't hear
the shots, but you can see the President being hit twice,
and you can also see Governor Connolly sitting in the
passenger seat in front of Kennedy also getting hit. The
Zapruda film clearly shows three hits. So the Warren Commission

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established three shots.

Speaker 7 (08:27):
Unfortunately for them, there was a bystander named James tag.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
That's doctor David Mantick. Doctor Mantick has made nine visits
to the National Archives where the President's x rays, autopsy photos,
and other critical evidence sits available for select members of
the public to review. You could try to get an
appointment to see them, or you could read any of
the three books doctor Mantick has written about them. According

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to doctor Mantick, this bystander was about to create a
huge problem for the Warren Commission.

Speaker 7 (09:01):
James Tag was standing under the overpass to the left
front of the limousine who was hit by some debris
that may have been a piece of concrete.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
He's watching the motorcade when the first shot rings out
and he feels something sharp hit him in the cheek.
It was a piece of cement from the curb, and
all of a sudden his cheek starts bleeding. So clearly
the first shot completely missed the motorcade.

Speaker 7 (09:28):
So this left the Warrant Commission only two shots to
work with to explain all the woods. So they knew
that one bullet had to kill Kennedy via a headshot,
So there goes one. You're only left with one more shot.
With that one shot, you have to explain everything else.
So that's where Arlen Spector rode to the rescue on

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his shining white Horse and invented the magic bullet theory.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
Otherwise known as the single bullet.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Theory, and so now begins the saga of the single
bullet theory.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
That's doctor Weckt again, and he deserves a full introduction.
He's a highly decorated forensic expert who's done more than
seventeen thousand autopsies and who's been probing the jfk assassination
since the nineteen sixties. He's one of the most vocal
critics of the Warren Report and the single bullet theory.

Speaker 5 (10:21):
Enter Arlen Spector, at that time junior legal consul for
the Warren Commission. Spector, to his credit, came up with
which seems to be a solution for them, and that
is known as the single bullet theory.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
You'll remember Arlen Spector from our last episode. The journalist
Gayton Fonsie pressed him on his single bullet theory, and
when he gave Fonsie an evasive answer, Fonsie published a
scathing article.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
The single bullet theory holds that one bullet entered the
president's back to begin with, moved upward, moving then inside
the president's chest eleven and a half degrees upward. How
in the hell is that possible? When the bullet comes out.
It's moving again downward, leftward, and forward, turns in midair,

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comes back eighteen twenty inches and hits calmly behind the
right armpit, exiting below nipple level. The bullet in midair
turns upward sweeping motion, goes into the wrist presses a
common manufacture of one of the two line bones from
the elbow to the wrist. Exits from the wrist, re

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enters the Governor's left thigh, and that is the pathway
of the single bullet.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
The bullet presumably leaves the gun from the sixth floor
of the building that's now above and behind Kennedy, and
the bullet enters President Kennedy's back. Looking at a picture
of the president's jacket which you can easily find online,
the bullet hole is in the upper middle part of
his suit coat.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Right then it supposedly turns upward and comes out of
his throat.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
Well, my colleagues are others who try to defend that
Singapore theory. They say, well, what if the president were
bent over tying his shoe. No, he wasn't doing that.
He was looking at the crowd and cheering and waving.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
It's pretty clear when you watch the Subbruder film, he
is not hunched over. The president is poised upward toward
the crowd.

Speaker 8 (12:28):
When Governor Connolly testified to the Warren Commission.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
That's Dick Russell.

Speaker 8 (12:32):
He repeated multiple times that he was not hit but
the same bullet that had hit JFK.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
As a matter of fact, if you look at the
Zapruta film, you'll see that when Kennedy reacts to getting
hit in the throat, Connelly then turns around to see
what happened. Then moments later he gets hit. There's no
way that it can be the same bullet that hit Kennedy.

Speaker 8 (12:52):
The surgeons who operated on Governor Connolly's wrist and chest
wounds at Parkland also noted that they did not think
all of his wounds had been made by the same bullet.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
It seems to me people are divided into two camps.
Right There are people who believe the single bullet theory
and people who think the single bullet theory is crazy.
If you believe it, then you believe that one bullet
caused all that damage.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
But it's not just about the path of the bullet.
To fully consider the single bullet theory, you have to
ask yourself two questions. The first question, how did the
bullet look when it was recovered?

Speaker 5 (13:26):
If God came to me and said, what I want
you to get rid of every single piece of evidence,
and I'll allow you to keep one thing, one thing only,
that would be the bullet as it was recovered.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
It is nearly perfect condition. You can see a picture
of that bullet in the National Archives. It's listed as
a Warrant Commission Exhibit three ninety nine. A bullet that
went in and out of both Kennedy and Connolly breaking
Connolly's bones still look pristine, which brings us to the

(14:02):
second question, where did they find the magic bullet?

Speaker 5 (14:06):
What happened later on was that a maintenance man, finding
the er corridor blocked by a stretcher, bent down to
move the stretcher and level Behold, there was a bullet.

Speaker 6 (14:19):
The bullets Christine.

Speaker 5 (14:21):
Nobody had seen this bullet, missed Y, everybody h Dallas,
missed by everybody at Parkland before then.

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And so on. That was the official story. This pristine
bullet just appeared on a stretcher in Parkland, a mystery
that has confused researches for decades until in September twenty
twenty three, there was a bombshell. A Secret Service agent

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named Paul Landis was on the running board of the
car behind Kennedy.

Speaker 9 (14:53):
New bombshell claims tonight by one of the Secret Service
agents was closest to John F. Kennedy when he was
a sund Fascinated the.

Speaker 7 (15:00):
New version of what might have happened to the magic bullet.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
Former Secret Service agent Paul Landis, who was with the
president that day, is opening up for the first time
about what he witnessed that.

Speaker 9 (15:13):
According to The New York Times, could quote change the
understanding of what happened in Dallas in nineteen sixty three.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
So Rob I saw this story in primetime on CNN,
on NBC, it was in People Magazine, it was in
Vanity Fair, it was in the New York Times.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
They all covered it.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Right, and Paul Landis was kind enough to talk with us. Paul,
from where the president was sitting, how far behind were you?

Speaker 6 (15:41):
Probably fifteen, no more than twenty eighty feet.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Can you just describe what you saw at the moment
that the president was hit.

Speaker 10 (15:53):
Shortly after the second shot I had heard the third shot,
I saw the tribals had split wide ope on the
midst of blood and fleshed and green matter flew into
the air. I ducked to avoid getting splattered, and at
that point we assumed under the underpass and.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
We were on our way to Party Memorial Hospital.

Speaker 10 (16:19):
I raced to the President's and Missus Kennedy was sitting
on left center of the rear seat. There was a
pool of blood next to Missus Kennedy. As soon as
she stood up, right behind where she had been sitting,
there was a pristine bullet. I picked this bullet up.

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It was not just formed, other than it had recognized
striations on that it had been fired. And looking around,
everybody was concentrating on the President.

Speaker 11 (16:54):
I didn't know what to do right away, but I
was afraid this bullet an important piece of evidence and
I didn't want to get lost.

Speaker 6 (17:04):
So I stepped it in my pocket and the raised in.

Speaker 10 (17:10):
Journey carrying the President's body and were right at trauma
Room one.

Speaker 6 (17:15):
People were shoving, pushing, shouting.

Speaker 12 (17:18):
I happened to be pushed up right next to his feet,
so I reached into my pocket, took it out and
placed it by the president.

Speaker 6 (17:28):
Slashed true.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
So what does this tell us unless the single bullet
theorists are going to claim that the bullet, after going
through Kennedy and Connolly, was able to bounce back from
where it allegedly exited Connolly's body in the front seat
and somehow wound up in the backseat. It can't be
the same bullet. What Landis is telling us finally makes sense. First,

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it explains how a bullet got onto a gurney at Parkland.
He put it there, And second explains why the bullet
was in near pristine condition. It never broke any bones
on its path through two people. This completely destroys the
single bullet theory. There is no magic bullet, which means

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that there had to have been at least a fourth shot,
which means there had to have been another shooter. And
we know conclusively that Oswald could not have fired four
shots in that time span. This points directly at a conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
So then what's weird to me as a journalist is
this new testimony, Like he never mentioned this when he
was questioned sixty years ago.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
He was never questioned sixty years ago.

Speaker 6 (18:42):
Nobody ever asked Warren.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Commission never interviewed any of the other agents that were
in the filow up car.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Now let's talk about the number of shots fired. Remember,
the Warren report said that three shots were fired.

Speaker 5 (18:56):
The manlier car Kano, a non automatic carbeam, which was
the alleged murder weapon used by Oswald, was tested by
top marksmen and it was determined that it took two
point three seconds from shot to shot, without allowing time
for reaiming and repositioning at a moving target. They determined

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that the first shot that hit Kennedy was followed by
a second shot at one point five seconds. Well, how
was that possible when it was determined that it took
two point three seconds from shot to shot.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
As they say, do the math the single bullet. The
timing of the shots were just getting started. Now, let's
take a look at some of the testimonies from the

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Parkland doctors who tried to save Kennedy's life.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
According to the war report, JFK's car raced from Dealey
Plaza to Parkland Hospital and it arrived at twelve thirty
five pm.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
Everyone at Parkland was on high alert getting ready for
Kennedy's arrival. Among them was doctor Malcolm Perry, a trauma
room physician. He worked feverishly trying to keep the President alive,
but once the president was pronounced dead later that day,
he talked to the press and he described the shot

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to Kennedy's neck as an entrance wound.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
The New York Times published the transcript from that press conference.
It goes, reporter, where was the entrance wound, Doctor Perry?
There was an entrance wound in the neck. Reporter, Which
way was the bullet coming on the neck wound? Madam,
doctor Perry. It appeared to be coming at him. Reporter,

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You think from the front in the throat. Dr Perry,
the wound appeared to be an entrance wound in the
front of the throat. Yes, that is correct. Well, so
that's pretty clear.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Yeah, one would think. But it's not the way doctor
Perry's story ends.

Speaker 7 (21:14):
According to information we have just received from a recently
discovered notebook kept by Martin Steadman, we've learned a little
more about this story about doctor Perry.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
That's doctor Mantick again now talking about the journalist Martin Steadman.
Steadman covered this story for decades.

Speaker 7 (21:35):
A week after the assassination, Steedman and a few colleagues
went to visit doctor Perry at his home in Dallas,
and they asked him well, doctor Perry, what do you
really believe you think this was an entry wound? And
he said, absolutely, it was an entry wound. And he
told them what had happened the night of the autopsy

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and the morning after. He said he had gotten several
calls from the autopsy room from the autopsy doctors who
told him that if he didn't change his mind about
the entry wound, he was probably going to lose his
medical license. And so the journalist finished up by asking him, well,
doctor Perry, after all of this, what do you really

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think he said it was an entry wound.

Speaker 4 (22:22):
So he says again, it's an entry wound.

Speaker 7 (22:25):
After a long, long paragraph of assumptions, he finally admitted
to the Warrant Commission that it could have been a
shot from the rear.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
But this is the guy who repeated three times that
the bullet entered from the front of the throat.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Right, why would he change his mind.

Speaker 8 (22:46):
In the nineteen seventies, that's Dick Russell. A Dallas Secret
Service agent named Elmer Moore confessed that he quote had
badgered doctor Perry into making a flat statement that there
was no entrance wound in the net. He said he
was operating under orders from Washington and the Secret Service.
He said he regretted it, but that we all did

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everything we were told, or we'd got our heads cut off.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Perry wasn't the only one that day who said that
the shots that hit Kennedy were fired from the front.

Speaker 8 (23:18):
Statements from twenty one witnesses at Parkland Hospital that day
reported seeing a massive head wound in the back of
Kennedy's skull.

Speaker 6 (23:26):
The doctors at Parkland described a big wound that reached
into the posterior part of the skull on the right side.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
The journalist Connie Chritzberg interviewed some of those doctors at
Parkland in the immediate aftermath of that day. She got
testimony from one of the neurosurgeons, doctor Kemp Clark, who
also said that there was a huge wound in the
right rear of the president's head.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
And then there's doctor McClellan, one of the surgeons that
worked to save the president's life that day.

Speaker 8 (23:57):
Doctor McClellan testified to the Warren Commission that part of
the cerebellum was blasted away.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
There was a big hole in the back of his head.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
That's doctor Mantick again.

Speaker 7 (24:09):
It was the size of an orange at least, if
not even a little larger. And dozens, literally dozens of
witnesses have said the same thing.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
So the shot that killed the president came from the front.

Speaker 7 (24:22):
It's totally consistent with a big hole in the back
of the head.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
So were the doctor's testimonies just ignored by investigators and
by the folks on the Warren commission.

Speaker 8 (24:33):
One of the doctors, Ron Jones, said that assassination investigators
knew of reports of a second shooter but ignored them.
A Warren commissioned investigator is said to have told him, quote,
we have people who had testified that they saw somebody
shoot the president from the front, but we don't want
to interview them, and I don't want you saying anything
about that either.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And who was that investigator?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Who arlinspector the creator of the single theory the same.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
Now, let's dig deeper into what happened during the autopsy
at the Bethesda Naval Hospital. The Dallas doctors were unanimous.

Speaker 3 (25:11):
If you study their treatment notes that they wrote the
day of the President's.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Death, that's Doug Horn.

Speaker 3 (25:16):
It's that the president had a big blowout in the
right rear of his head behind his ear the right
rear portion of the head.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Well, the problem is.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
That the autopsy photographs shows the back of the head
to be intact.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
So doctor Horn, if the autopsy photographs in the archives
don't show a gaping wound in the back of his head,
what do they show.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
The autopsy photographs show the in back of the head
to be intact, but that's contradicted by the treatment notes
of the Parkland doctors and by their testimony in nineteen
sixty four. So the government had a problem. If those
photographs had made it into the official record, that would
have supported the observations of the park Glenn doctors because

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the right cerebellum would have been almost totally destroyed, most
of it missing, much of the rear of the brain missing.

Speaker 7 (26:09):
When we look at the photographs of the back of
his head at the archives, everything is totally intact.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
That's doctor Mantick again.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
It looks like the hair has just been freshly washed
with hardly any blood anywhere, and yet the shirt is
totally sulked with blood. How's that possible. A woman named
Sandra K. Spencer processed the photos that were taken to
the President's head during the autopsy.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
In November nineteen sixty three, she was a petty officer
in charge of the White House Laboratory at NPC, the
Naval Photographic Center. Here she is being interviewed by the
ARRB in the nineteen nineties.

Speaker 10 (26:50):
Can you tell me whether those photographs well.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
The questioner says, can you tell me whether those photographs
correspond with the photographs you developed in November of nineteen
teen sixty three.

Speaker 5 (27:01):
She says, no, let's start with a conjecture whether the
photographs that you developed.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
The questioner says, let's start with the conjecture as to
whether the photographs that you developed and the photographs that
you observe today could have been taken at different times.
I would definitely, she says, I would definitely say they
were taken at different times.

Speaker 7 (27:28):
Of course, the actual authentic autopsy photographs did show a
big hole in the back of the head, and we
have solo witnesses at the autopsy who saw those photographs
and their testimonies in their record today.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
To be clear, what you're saying is that the photos
that Sondra k Spencer developed are not the ones that
are in the National Archives.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
I did a chain of custody study on the autopsy
report while I was at the review board. And so
the first thing I discovered is that doctor Humes had
who sets a conclusions.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
That's what makes it all the more remarkable that he
burned his first copy.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
Sometime after the FBI agents left. Humes made this new
pronouncement because somebody had called doctor Perry at Parkland Hospital.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
How do we know this?

Speaker 3 (28:17):
Perry told Nurse Bell the following day. She said, you
look like hell, what's wrong? And he said, well, I
didn't get much sleep last night. And she said why
and he said, well, they had me on the phone
off and on all night long from Bethesden Naval Hospital.
People were trying to get me to change my mind
about the fact that the president was shot in the

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throat from the front. They wanted me to change my
mind and say that was really an exit win in
his throat.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
This was all happening the night of the assassination.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
Humes and Boswell met the next morning on Saturday to
review the first draft of the autopsy report. They met
at ten o'clock in the morning. Humes worked on it
all night at home and it was tighted Boswell. This
under oath. Somebody that day rejected that report because what
does Humes do on Sunday? He burns the first draft
of the autopsy report and most of the original notes

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in his fireplace.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Okay, So where does this leave us? Sum it up
for me?

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Okay? The Warrant Commission manipulated the evidence to fit their
single bullet theory in order to prove that Oswald was
a lone gunman who shot the president from behind. Several witnesses,
many of them medical professionals, who saw Kennedy's wounds at
Parkland Hospital that day, contradicted this. They said that the

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president's wounds were a result of shots that came from
the front. The autopsy report, conducted by doctors who had
very little experience with gunshot wounds who had burned the
original report, contained photographs that had no correlation to the
wounds observed by the Parkland doctors or the photographer who

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initially took the pictures. All of this points to the
shooters in locations other than just the sixth floor of
the Texas school Book Depository, and that means whatever Lee
Harvey Oswald was doing that day, he did not do
it alone.

Speaker 2 (30:20):
You seem convinced that the forensics lead to the conclusion
that there had to be more than one shooter. So
then why is the official narrative still one of a
lone gunman.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
You know, it's perfect that you use that word narrative
because the evidence is going to show that Oswald was
part of a narrative, a narrative that he was completely
unaware of. And when you take a look at his
journey into this narrative, the picture will become a lot clearer.

Speaker 4 (30:55):
Next time on Who Killed JFK.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
If you don't learn who Lee Harvey Oswell really was,
there's no way you can understand what happened on that day.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
We'll pull back the curtain on Lee Harvey Oswald Well.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
I was under the impression that Lee has being trained
for a specific operation.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
He was of interest to the highest counterintelligence officer in
the CIA for four years before President Kennedy was killed.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Who Killed JFK is hosted by Rob Reiner and me
Solidad O'Brien, and our executive producers are Rob Reiner, Michelle Reiner,
Matt George, Jason English, David Hoffman, and Me Solidad O'Brien.
Our writer is David Hoffman, with research by Dick Russell.
Our story editors are Rob Reiner and Julie Pinnero. Our

(31:49):
senior producer is Julie Pinnerto. Our producers are Tristan Nash,
Dick Russell, Michelle Goldfein and Amari Lead. Our editors are
Tristan Nash, Julie Pinetto and Marcus de Lauro. Our project
manager is Carol Klein. Our associate producer is emilse Kiros. Mixing,

(32:10):
mastering and sound design by Ben la Julie and archival
audio in this episode thanks to The Six Floor Museum
and Dick Russell. Research and fact checking by Girl Friday
and emilse Kiros. Business affairs by Henan Nadea and Jonathan Furman.
Our consulting producer is Razanne Galliini. Recorded in part at

(32:32):
CDM Studio and Fourth Street Recording Studio. Show logo by
Lucy Quintanilla. Production assistants by Rocco Del Prior and Grace Barron.
Special thanks to Johonig Rose Arse and Dan Storper. If
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