Dr. John Amaral on Unblocking Energy Flow

Personal ‘energy’ can be elusive and misunderstood, but it’s an incredibly powerful force on many levels: Join LeAnn and Dr. John Amaral as they break down the impact energy already has on our lives and share ways to effectively harness its healing properties.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Holy Human with Leanne Rhymes is a production of I
Heart Radio. Hello, sweet souls, Welcome to this episode of
Holy Human. Today we are going to tackle an elusive
yet transformative topic, one I am just beginning to understand myself.
We'll be journeying with a man who just recently helped

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me experience in a liveness in my body that I
have not felt in a really long time. His name
is Dr John Amoral, and he's going to walk us
through understanding something called energy flow and how utilizing it
and working with energy can help us all alleviate stress, tension,
and experience better health and more happiness. So let's jump
right in wing that with me. John Tomorrow, thank you

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so much for joining us on the Holy Human podcast.
I'm excited to talk energy with you because you were
so kind to give me a session so I could
experience your work, which was trippy and so cool. I
felt high after and and everything like felt like it
was breathing, which we'll get into it a bit. But

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you have developed something called the Energy Fullow formula that
you've been working with for the last twenty five years.
So for someone who hasn't experienced your work, can you
explain what that formula is all about. First of all,
it was awesome working with you, and thank you. I'm
excited to talk to you about this. You're definitely a
very aware and connected human beings, so so we can

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get into that whole process. But what happened is I
started out as a fine artist. I was a fine
art major, and then I ended up going to chiropractic
college through a series of events that I had never
been to a chiropractor, never had any kind of body
work or any kind of healing work at all, and
I just found myself sort of taking this completely different
path into into healthcare and I became a chiropractor and

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I built a practice in working with people. Over the years,
I found that so many that challenges people were facing
were experienced as physical symptoms, but they weren't actually from
physical causes. So you would have somebody in a relationship
challenge to stress going on. They would have financial stress,
they would have, you know, a lot a loss of
a loved one, they would have all these things that

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were going on that we're not coming from a physical
injury or accident, but they were showing up as physical
symptoms in the body. Because we process what we can't
feel an experience on other levels through our physical symptoms.
That's kind of what our body does. So I just
started tying together people's experience of life, what they were

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going through, their emotions, they're unprocessed things that they had
been experiencing with their physical symptoms, and started developing ways
to work more with the whole person. And I love
you know your podcast as wholy human. It was like
the whole human being rather than just oh, you have
a something going on in your back or your shoulder,
or you have headaches or you have this symptom. I
realized that everything is interconnected in ways that if you

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really start to look at your life and what's going
on in your life and how you're living your life,
and what you're dealing with and what you're not dealing with,
you're going to find that everything makes sense and the
things that are showing up in the body totally do
make sense. There symptoms become like a guide or signpost
for you to pay attention to make changes and deal
with things. And as I started putting all that together,

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I started coming up with more kind of approaches and techniques,
and my studies took me all over the world to
South America, to Europe to Asia, to study with different people,
learn different approaches and techniques, and so I combine all
of these like practices and tools and ways of working
with the body on the body, off the body, and
the energy field which we can get into, and that

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whole conglomeration of approaches to work with the whole person
became the formula well energy, I feel it can be.
An energy work can be really kind of an elusive
thing for a lot of people because we don't we
can't well some of us can see it, some of
us can hear it, but a lot of us can't.
It becomes this it's just this kind of concept, and

(04:24):
for me still it's I understand it, but sometimes I
don't quite know how to integrate like what I understand
when it comes to energy. So for those of us
who it's still a concept, can you maybe talk about
energy work and maybe ground it a little bit more,
explain why it's so important for us to learn to

(04:45):
work with our energy for our health. Those are great questions.
So firstly, we tend to think of and I grew
up with this same experience that anyone working with energy
or working with chakras are working with the energy body
or you know this is just a bunch of wi
will garblely goopy like nothing. But the truth is everything
is energy at the sub atomic level. The whole body

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is really patterns of vibrating or oscillating energy. Every physicist
knows this. You know that it's it's essentially less than
five percent of the entire physical world that we experience
around us is actually physical matter. Everything, our bodies, what
we touch, what we see, what we experience is ninety
It is just pure energy. And even the matter is

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actually energy at its core. So everything is energy. How
we're using that energy, whether that energy is flowing, whether
it's blocked or bound up, whether we experience a freedom
and a flow in a sense of ease, or where
we feel anxiety and pent up energy and bound up energy.
It's every emotion we feel, whether everything that we experience
on subtle levels in our mind is tied into energy.

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I think one way to explain it is if you
boil water, it takes a certain threshold of energy to
hit boiling point of to it, and wealve degrees. If
you don't turn up enough heat energy, you don't change
the form of H two O into vapor. If you
drop energy in water, you pull the energy out of
it through put it in the freezer. That same H

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to a molecule will become a solid, will become ice.
It's still H two oh, it's still the same molecules,
but by changing the amount of energy in that H
two oh, you change the form of it. And this
is really true for everything. Our bodies were mostly made
of water and energy. When you understand the energy is
a real thing, not just some woo woo thing that

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doesn't have a tangible relationship to the physical world, you
start to go, well, that, actually, that's interesting. Like when
I feel depleted and depressed and I feel lethargic, it's
because you dropped your energy down to a level where
you can't even organize your thoughts. You can't even experience
or express higher level emotions because the energy is so low.
When you're just super high, you're expanded. It's like you've

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hit the boiling point and now you're like expanding. That's
what vapor does. Water turns into vapor and expands an
goes everywhere. So part of us is really all of
us is organized by by energy. In a very real
and tangible way. So that's number one. Number two, you
asked about our health. So when we have health challenges,
when we have let's say we have chronic headaches, So

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let's say we have chronic adjustive stuff going on. Let's
say we have a sense of tension we just can't shake,
or a physical symptom that's been persistent, it just seems
like it's not going away. We have to understand that
when we're stressed out, that's and and stress can be
physical from injuries, it can be emotional from just stress

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we're experience, and it can be mental psychological, and it
can be chemical by things we're putting into our bodies,
are exposing ourselves too. They all trigger the same fight
or flight response in the body. So when you're under stress,
your body tenses up, you breathe more, shallow, oxygen gets um.

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You know, we're used to certain parts of your body,
and blood focus pushed out to the muscles. It gets
pushed away from your digestive system because it's preparing you
to be engaged with something you have to survive through fight,
flight or free You either run away from it, you
engage with it, or you freeze. And so usually when
you're having a physical symptom or health challenge, not usually

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always there's some degree of fight or flight going on
where you're holding all this stuff in your body and
you're experiencing symptoms because there's so much bound up energy
that your brain is like, I don't know how to
deal with this. I'm going to experience it as pain
or I'm going to experience it as tension. I'm gonna
experience it in the physical because I can't process it

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right now. I don't have the awareness or I don't
have the tools or support to deal with it on
the other levels. If that makes sense? Does that? Does
that make sense? Yeah? Yeah, totally. So how does energy
get stuck in the body? You're saying from from just
us not being aware enough to deal with these emotions
and or the physical pain that's coming up? I mean,

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how do we the mechanism of how it actually gets there? Yeah? Like,
how does it actually gets Yeah? How does it actually
get stuck? It's easy to understand if you have an
accident or injury. Let's say you have a whiplash injury.
Someone rearends you from behind. Your next snaps back, and
next thing you know, a couple of days later, you
just feel seized up. You feel tension. Maybe a disk

(09:26):
is bulged. Maybe the musculatures like holding all this tension
because it got overstretched and then it contracted because the
body was trying to protect or grip or armor off
the area so that they wouldn't have further injuries. So
we can understand on a physical level, the body would
be injured, we recoil, we'd hold everything because the brain
is like, wait, this isn't safe. We have to create

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some inflammation to protect this from further injury. Let's hold
all this together and make sure that we have time
to heal and sort this out. So that's easy to understand.
It's harder for people to bridge when it's like nothing's happening.
You're like, I look around and everything right now in
the world, it's like everything doesn't feel fine for most people.
But a lot of times we're like, my life is good,

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Like there's a lot of positives and I'm grateful for things,
but like, why do I feel like there's a tension
I can't shake, or why do I have these headaches
or why do I have these physical symptoms? How does
that have to do with energy? Well the psychological mental
emotional stress of the concern about the future, anxiety from uncertainty,
unprocessed grief from the loss of a loved one or

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from the loss of a job, or just financial stress
of like how am I gonna hold it all? How
we're gonna make it through this? All those kind of things,
They initiate the same fight or flight response in the
body as a whiplash. It's just from a different input.
So your mind can actually just from the experience of
the stressful situation, can then start to tighten up. We

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feel it. We feel it when we feel overwhelmed, when
we feel scared, when we feel sad. It's like we
we we don't open and expand in this like free
flowing way. We're like holding it all, trying to hold it.
That's the fight or flight response. So what's happening there
is you're binding up energy in the muscles, You're you're
holding energy in the spine. Inside your spine, the whole
spinal cord stretches. Your spinal cord comes down from your

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brain and goes down through your neck and goes all
the way down through to your tail boom. And it's
imagine a guitar string with a bunch of little filaments
running through your whole body, through the from top to bottom,
and then a bunch of little strings coming off of
that and they're all connected. That's kind of like what
the nervous system or central nervous system is like, where
when you're under stress, the whole thing goes under physical tension.

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It's like tightening up the string and everything tightens in
the body, and the whole vibrational state of the body
changes with stress. And then when you release that, when
you let it go, the whole central nervous system relaxes physically.
It can stretch like over two inches, so inside your spine,
inside the little to going through the center of your body,

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that spinal cord is actually stretchable like multiple inches. So
when it's stretched, when it's tight, that's that's what fight
or flight does. It tightens it up because it's repairing you,
like coiling you up ready to react. When you let
it go, it's all goes back into flow. But what
happens is people tighten up and then they hold it,
and then they stack another stress on and they hold

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it and they stuck another stress on, and there's no
real release, and then all that energy is just vibrating
in your body physically. It's not just like conceptually, it's
physically vibrating in the tissues of your body. That's how
I feel. I feel it right now we're talking about it.
I'm like, I literally I'm like shaking because I feel
I totally feel what you're talking about. And it's it's

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interesting because when I think about, Okay, so I'm going
into this fear response or I'm having a stress or
in my life, it's almost like you can't close the circuit.
So like the circuit just stays on. But if if
we're going around in everyday life, if we're aware of
our feelings and emotions that come up, if we can't
process that in the moment, but do I make some
time at night to be like, oh I need to

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go back and process that later. I mean, that's like
takes that takes us aware. And this is why energy
and awareness of energy are key to everything. Their key
to our success in life, their key to evolution. They're cute.
I mean, efficient use of energy is critical. So if
you're just stacking up a bunch of stuff and you're
holding your bucket of everything, you poured into your bucket

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of the day, of all the stresses, and you're not
dumping that bucket out, it will start overflowing. That's what
symptoms are. I mean, eventually you can't hold anymore. And
that's where like people can bend over to pick up
a piece of paper and have a disk blowout, or
they can, you know, just twist a little bit to
the left and then all of a sudden their next
season is up and they're like, where did this come from?
How did this happen? And they're looking for a physical

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mechanical cause. But really it's the last sort of straw
because you just you haven't been processing or somehow releasing
that built up energy. And the way you have to
do it is you have to dissipate that energy out
of your body through some kind of practice, some kind
of you need some kind of tools, because otherwise working out,

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we we all know the right things to do. You know,
we should work out. We know we should drink plenty
of water. We know we should eat healthy. We know
we should stretch, we should probably do yoga, we should meditate.
We know all we're supposed to do all those things
that if you did even a fraction of those on
a regular basis, you would be in a lot better shape.
But you can do all of those things and still
have tension you can't shake. Because you can be doing

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all the right stuff. You can be good enough and
working out, stretching your body, going for a run, having
lots of fluids, eating this really really clean diet, and
you cannot be dealing with something in your relationship. You
could not be having this hard conversation with your family members.
You could be completely in a job that you hate
or doing something that you know has a limited time

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because you're not passionate about it and you know you
need to make a change and you're not dealing with that.
So whatever that is, Like you had said earlier, you
have these like it's like having apps on your phone
open and running and drawing energy that you're not like
closing down or you're not dealing with and they're just
in the background running. So every single thing that we
don't really deal with or is out of our awareness

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altogether because either it happened in the past and we
just weren't even a where it happened. I mean, I've
worked with a lot of people that have had abuse
or situations where they don't remember it because the brain
and body just it's part of that fight or flight.
It kind of cloaked or locked it, locked that trauma
off and sent that energy somewhere in the body. Or
it could be something going on right now where you're
you're like, it's happening, but you your mind goes. My

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blueprint for reality is this X, and what's happening is why.
And I can't seem to bridge those two things. So
instead of actually dealing and changing or transforming myself, I'll
just play pretend in a way that it's not happening
and I'll just go about my life and what And
when you're doing that, that inner conflict and that friction

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creates all this extra tension and a lot of symptoms
that people are experiencing are these red flag that say
pay attention, you're overriding or ignoring something. I'm gonna give
you a louder signal, because those cells in your body
are like a little colony of you that are like hello,
like they're screaming out there having this experience and you're

(16:15):
ignoring them, or you're overriding them, or you're not paying attention.
Either you're not aware altogether, or you are aware and
you're just not taking action or dealing, and all of
those things kind of together. How you listen to your body,
ignore your body, or how you empty out that bucket,
what your practices are for really taking inventory and going

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what's happening, are going to determine how well energy is
flowing and how well you feel inside, because you can
do all the right stuff, but you can feel miserably
ill and totally depressed and you can do so we
all know people that are like they're smoking, they're smoking,
they're drinking, they're doing all this stuff, and they're like, actually,
I'm not saying like in a totally um addictively, but
they're like doing all this stuff. You're like, you're doing

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all the wrong stuff. Why are you freaking happy? Right? So,
because those are wellness and illness or the subjective experiences,
inner experience of what we're feeling, whereas like what you
can gauge with the physical body, whether it's healthy or
not healthy, is it has disease or no, No, disease
is a different like spectrum. So my goal is always

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to help let's get so connected and aware that we
can find that sense of ease and flow internally subjectively,
but we can also like do practices and things that
help our body be healthy so that you can have both.
You can feel healthy on the inside and well and
you can also have physical health. Well, I mean you
mentioned something because I feel like there's so many of
us that have disconnected from our bodies. I do all

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the stuff you were just saying. I do all the
stuff and still feel like super anxious. And I know
for me there's probably some trauma. There, a lot of
trauma that is locked up in the tissues. And I've
always noticed that I'm able to work with my mind,
I'm able to work with so many other things except
for my body. And that's been one of the most

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challenging places for me because I have been so disconnected
from it. And so how do we first start to
rebuild that connection so we can become aware of the
energy that's going on. All the achievers and the artists
and the like super passionate people doing things in the
world like they tend to have some of the same challenges,

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and that is this ability to make things happen even
when it's challenging, and you sort of like power through it.
You make your way, you make it happen. It's like
you've got to go on. It's like it's time. Like,
so you have a headache, you have a sore throat,
do you have this with that? It's like it's like,
this is the time where you have to go on.
So everybody has that in some areas of their life
in certain ways. And so what I've identified is there's

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this paradox. I call it the paradox of change, because
you cannot really change something and truly transform your situation
and tell you have fully associated with and experienced what
is really going on, and there has to be some
kind of acknowledgement of that. There has to be some
kind of surrender in a way to what is. Before

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you can have the experience of what you want to have,
you have to first acknowledge where you're at now. And
if you're where you are at now is like everything sucks,
it's so hard. I feel overwhelmed. This is crap. Then
it's difficult to feel but we don't want to feel that.
And and especially it's juven oriented people. They're like, why
would I spend even a millisecond in that state when

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I can do You got stuff to do? And so like,
give me the tool to like not feel this and
feel that, and that is a short term fix. You
totally just read my mind like literally of like how
do I just how do I not feel that? Just
get right to the big want to feel. All right,
my friends, we are going to take a quick break,

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but when we return, you and I are going to
learn about the tools to break out of the cycle
of negativity and negative energy. We were just talking about
falling into the cycle of negative feelings because people that
are motivated and active in the world to make things

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happen are not into languishing in the crap. They feel
there's no value in it. And the paradox is that
as soon as you allow yourself to feel an experience
where you really are for a moment, it changes, But
it doesn't change if you have an agenda to get
somewhere else before you fully experience it. So even like
the mind of the superachiever is like, all right, what

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do I have to do? I have to go through
some process where I have to feel where I'm at,
which I don't want to be because it really sucks.
And then once I do that, then I can feel
better and I can do what I want to do
in your mind's like yeah exactly. So you're like, all right,
give me the stupid process. And then you go, okay,
what am I supposed to feel? And just okay, what
do you feel? And then usually what will happen is
you'll start to kind of scan in a process, might

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be put in your hands on your body and feeling
maybe you're putting your hands on your heart or in
your head or some part of your body, and going
to yourself like what do I actually feel here? And
for so many people it's like nothing, I feel totally numb.
And it's just because again the mind and the ego
will be like, well, you really feel sad, but it's

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not okay to feel sad. So instead of feeling sad,
we're gonna feel like an elephant is compressing your chest
and and your ribs are collapsing and you're having a
heart attack. Oh, and then you're like, why do I
feel anxiety? You really are feeling sad, but it's not registering.
So instead of actually experiencing that, you experienced the crushing
pressure on your chest. And this is like what's called

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so mad at sizing. It's it's taking an experience that
is being felt and then blocking out the emotion of it,
and when the emotion is actually here's the interesting thing.
Emotion is requires physical movement and sound and tone. So
if you don't have physical move moving and tone, if
you don't make a sound or you know, you don't

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have some kind of expression of tone and the body
doesn't move in some way, you haven't really expressed emotion.
And so the energy is there, but your brain doesn't
register it. It It can like compartmentalize it off. And so
that's where you feel like pressure, intention and an anxious feeling.
Because the truth is you're feeling may be scared, you're
feeling sad, you're feeling alone, you're feeling overwhelmed, but you

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haven't really transferred that into some kind of expression, which
is like emptying out the bucket um and so now
you're just stacking all this stuff. And then you're like,
now I feel physical tension. So let me take two advil,
or let me have a vicating or let me like
give me a couple of glasses of wine, like give
me something to not feel this. So that takes you
further away from what you're actually feeling, because now you're

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stepping out of first there was a strong emotional feeling
that didn't get expressed, and now the energy is bound
up in the body because it didn't get to move,
so it's stores and the muscles and the tendons and
the fascia and the organs and everywhere else. And I
was just sitting there and then your brain goes, oh,
that's physical tension, so I need to stretch it out,
or I need to take something to make that physical
feeling not be so strong, which is like have a drink,

(23:14):
have an advil, whatever. And then now you're further removed
because that even blocks you out more, and pretty soon
you're just like you're disconnected totally from your body, and
your body is no longer a source of ease, peace, connection,
or a safe place for you to call home. Really,
but if we go all the way back to early
in life, for a lot of people, their body was

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not a safe place to call home from the start
because the birth process was super traumatic or intense, or
they had an early childhood abuse, or they had a
really intense experience growing up where it wasn't safe to
feel or express, and so like you just you kind
of leave your body and so returning to and sometimes
for the first time, just getting to know your body

(23:54):
and experiencing your body as a as Wow, I can,
you know, engage with my body and explore it and
have curiosity and feel things is like a totally different language.
It's a new experience, new territory for a lot of people. Yeah,
especially if you grow up with I mean, there's so
much shame around body, even just to to get to

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know our own bodies, I mean we Yeah, that was
not a language that was spoken to me. And I
find it so interesting that sound is such a big
part of your process because I've worked with my body
and energy, but with your process, I feel like this
sound is something that's so important. And when we work

(24:37):
together the other day, I don't think I've cried like
that ever. Afterwards, I was like, God, how many times
in my life have I needed to cry like that?
To really wail? And for someone who uses their voice
all the time, it's interesting how much shame and fear
can be around actually emoting through voice. Crying is something

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that I feel. I've been working a little bit with
the work that you teach of the past few days,
and when we get into stuff, certain things like anger, rage,
and things that are in the body. It's that for
me is almost where it's like, is there a sound
to that? I don't know, I don't know what for
you to be expressing and sharing this When you are
internationally inclaimed artists and singer and you bear it all

(25:25):
and express yourself in front of millions of people, I
think about just someone who you're at home and you're like, I,
I'm afraid to even sing in my car, you know,
I'm afraid to sing in my shower, to even make
sounds because for so many people, it's like, I'm so
self conscious about about how I'll be perceived, and sometimes
I'm so self conscious about even what sounds might come

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out of me, because I think I might be a freak.
I might be just a weird, damaged person. And if
I'm making a sound that sounds feeble or weak like
oh god, you know, or if I'm making a sound
that sounds anger, you know, you're making these sounds if
they really came out and expressed. Sometimes they'll really like
surprise you because you a growl, a grown a moan um,

(26:07):
you know, some like guttural sound comes out, and it's
like not when you you ordinarily make that can challenge
your whole conditioning about what's okay and what's not. And
this is where it starts, because someone in our life said,
whether this was spoken or whether this was unspoken, they said, look,
this is the range that's okay to be in. But

(26:28):
if you go beyond this range, now now you're bad
or now you are too much. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's
like you cannot, you know, show sadness or weakness, or
you cannot show anger. You cannot raise your voice, you cannot.
And so these are just patterns that are culturally and
familiarly conditioned where we learn how to limit or reduce

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or mute down our expression in order to be accepted
or to not lose love. Right, So so we learned
how to kind of adapt ourselves. And then you have
all this energy stored in different parts of your body.
Because when the body, when we're stressed and if we
don't express it, like we're talking about earlier, that mechanism
is the body's in fight or flight. So you push
that energy somewhere into the physical tissues of the body,

(27:11):
and now it's it's like imagine a a vibration that's
happening through your whole body. It's a freak out vibration.
You want to be like, you know, you want to
just freak out, but you're like, Okay, I can't freak
out because it's not okay, I'm gonna get I'm gonna
get whacked with a belt or whatever. So you hold
it all together and then you just like hold it in. Now,
where did the energy go. It's like it's still there.

(27:32):
It's not like it ever. You're still feeling what you're feeling.
It just isn't expressing through the body. So that energy
that now can't move out through motion, through sound, through
some kind of expression. It's it's contained now. It's it's
it's it's like a vibrating it's like a chamber. Your
body becomes now a chamber where the vibration just bouncing
around and and the more compressed it gets into certain areas,

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the more it feels solid. Because we're not actually solid.
Nothing is solid. The able, the chair, the physical roof
over your head, they are not actually solid at the
sub atomic level. It's all energy patterns. There's nothing solid there.
You can think of a tornado. You drive your car
at a tornado, there's nothing solid there, but you're gonna
hit a point where it's going to break you apart.

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The powerful tornado will rip a house apart, but it's
just wind. But it's a vortex of energy that's vi
that's swirling at such a rate that it becomes it
acts like a solid And that's basically what cells and
tissues of the body are. So the whole thing is
this vibrational experience. And if we can match and begin
to feel and express using tone and vibration to mirror

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what that frequency is, then it lets our brain are
or higher centers of the brain register what is being experienced,
and then energy can start to come out, and it
can in a natural and organic emotion can actually arise
not from us just trying to like push energy out,
but from us going what what would be like holding
up a tuning for to this feeling or variance in
my body, what sound or tone or vibration. If I

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just touched my body in the area where I feel symptomatic,
if I just put my hands there and I didn't
try to change anything or make it go away, I
realized that this, this is a part of me that's
vibrating with a certain frequency, and I just took a
breath there into the nose and out the mouth, and
I let out a sound that matched that feeling. What
would that sound be? And then you kind of play

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with it until you find something that actually mirrors or
matches that frequency. And if you can't find it, you
might just recognize, wow, I'm disconnected from this part, and
you just verbalize and say, well, I'm totally numbed out
from this area. I'm totally dis connected. How is it
weird that I don't even I can't even feel my
body here. It's like someone else's body. It feels empty

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or solid or avoided out. Just acknowledge it for a moment,
and then usually that's enough. This is part of the paradox.
You stopped trying to change what is there, and suddenly
you're with what is there, and it's when when when
you're with it, it changes. That's is the nature of
how things work. As soon as you stop trying to
change something and you fully associate and accept and allow

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it to be where it is, you're already in the
process of changing. But people think they're going to get
stuck there. They're like, I don't want to go there.
We're going back to earlier or an achiever especially, It's like,
I don't want to go into that place because if
I'm not trying to change something, how's the change, Because
isn't that what we're here to do is like improve things.

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So there's this little glitch and if you get that
that you can realize that it only takes a millisecond
of acceptance of where you are fully and then it
can open up to a new possibility. It will change
your life, that that one recognition, and when you stop
trying to get rid of things and stop trying to
make them go away, and you realize its whole. I'm whole.

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I'm a whole human. Every part of me is is important.
And instead of trying to get rid of these parts,
let me see if I can have a relationship with
them and start to let them influence how I live
my life when we work together. The other day, I
was incredibly low and depressed and I fully you told

(31:12):
me that, and I fully committed to the couch for
two days. I'm just saying, yeah, I ended up not
fighting it, and it's still with me. It hasn't completely shifted,
but to not fight it and to think I should
be doing something else. That's where the suffering happens, right
like where we we think we should be somewhere that
we're not totally. The suffering is is in the is
in the mind's concept of what should be happening versus

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what's really there. Because if you fully stop trying to
change something, and you really seek to just feel and experience,
and you ask for awareness and guidance and support from
the universe, and you're and you're like, look, I I
just I want to be with with what is, and
and you stop trying to, you know, get somewhere else.
This is kind of the hero's journey, or this is

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the vision quest where you go like out into the
full wrist or whatever, and you go, I gotta be
with myself and with my You might say your demons,
but it's not necessarily your demons. It's just the parts
of you that have been in the shadow of the
parts of you that have been out of awareness. And
you set aside the judgment of how long it should
last that I need to feel something, then the suffering

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stuff because the suffering is like it should be different
and it's this. But if you're just like it is
exactly what it needs to be. I'm I'm seeking to
feel and experience. Then ironically, sort of paradoxically more than
ironically paradoxically, it freaking changes and they're instantly catapulted into

(32:38):
some other place. But sometimes, like what you what you
need to feel, is going to require you to deal
with some things that make some changes. So that's the
reason why we don't really connect because in some ways
we don't want to know what actually needs to happen.
Let's say, on the deep soul level, we know that
we have some unfinished business with a family member, or
we have to reconnect with someone, or we have to

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leave a relationship, or we have to quit a job
or something, and then we feel so attached and we
just on some level we know it, but we don't
really want to face and deal with that, so we
sort of skirt around it and we're doing these Actually
I gotta connect and feel and I gotta be with
what is and like and you already know, so the
thing is now you need to actually take action and

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change it. And so sometimes the suffering is about we
know and we're not dealing with it, We're not doing
anything about it. Sometimes the suffering is like we just
don't even know. We're completely disconnected. So there's a different
it depends different suffering, different different flavors of suffering. I
wish I could kind of put the awareness back sometimes
because the awareness of it, like you're saying, once you

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become aware of something and you're in that space and
you don't take action on something, then basically you're just
kind of I mean in my experience, you're kind of
like binding that energy up, right, So you just kind
of stuck. So when when we feel stuck in our lives,
but is that basically bound energy that needs to be

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moved and we were either aware of it or not
aware of it and not taking If we're aware of
but we're not taking action, is the action like the
the thing that I love that you're bringing this up
because because interestingly, feeling stuck and feeling that in between,
like you can't move forward and you can't go back,
and you're just in this like heavy dense place, it

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has a very certain quality of energy in the body
and it will feel like a density and it is
energy that's compressed. And so that when we feel stuck
in our emotions and in our mind, we have a
correlating place always in the physical body that is linked
into that stuck feeling. So it might be around your throat,
it might be around your upper chest, it could be

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in your gut. A lot of hands that happens around
the solar plexus area because that's the that's this energetic
center that ties more into your sense of will and
your and your sort of pride and you're wanting to
create and be someone in the world. That's this like
kind of pushing through part of us, which is right
in that like the low pointy bone at the bottom
of your rib cage. You know, that is an area

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where a lot of people feel that stuck energy. Sometimes
it could be in your pelvis. But what happens with
stuck nous is you know it's you at that point,
Like there's a conscious awareness when we feel stuck that
I'm actually contributing to this because I'm responsible in some
way for the choices I'm making, but I can't choose
something else because I don't know what to where to
go next. But at the same time, I'm aware I'm

(35:30):
not going back to where I was. So that's where
stuckness like links us into this place of frustration and
and a pressure and a heaviness. So what you can
do when you're feeling that first, that's different than disconnected
where because a lot of times people think when when
they're just totally disconnected from a part of their body
that it's stuck. They're like, oh, it feels so blocked

(35:51):
or stuck. Usually that's disconnection. You're not even you're not
even connected to or aware of that part of you.
It just feels like kind of blank or numb. So
that has to be addressed for list. And that can
go back to what we were talking about earlier, where
you can just put your hands there and you might
even just need to acknowledge like, hey, I feel so
disconnected for myself here, I feel numbed out. Take a breath,
notice just some sensation comes in and it starts to

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kind of feel more alive and present. Because you can't
change what you can't connect to. So again that's that paradox.
You can't change something if you're not even aware of
that part of you. So once you're aware, sometimes underlying
that can disconnect is well I'm now connected, but damn
am I stuck? It's like oh my gosh. And so

(36:32):
that um feeling of stuckness is needs to be actually amplified,
not you can't if you just try to jump over
it and be like, I feel so stuck, let me
just feel something else. It doesn't have enough charge and
energy to like let it open up, so you've got
to match it. So I'll have people, you know, put

(36:53):
their hands on a part of the body, feel that
energy there and like maybe twist or compress or squish
their hands into that part of the body and like, oh,
make the sound of being absolutely stuck and growl and
moan and just say it even like I'm so stuck.
I'm so you might cough into the area. Coffeing is

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a lot of times associated with like that stuck area
when you start to connect to it and then you
just you go right into it, fully into it, intensify it,
feel it for about three to five seconds, and then
ease it up, and then just sit for a moment
and feel, wow, I did that. I got myself so
stuck that in this part of my body I held
all this energy and it was all compressed. And then

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you want to just take a moment and just acknowledge
with compassion for a moment, there's a party that's a
free like light being, like a childlike playful you that
needs to be just acknowledged, like maybe needs to be
paid attention to, maybe needs some kindness or gentleness, and
just be like, oh, I'm so sorry that i I

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got so bound up in all of this and I'm
so felt so mired, and you lost all this levity
and joy and playfulness, and I'm paying attention. So so
that can. Always when there's a stuck experience, it's our
mind and our ego and the loss of that child,
that liveliness of the child and that lightness of the child.

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So once you go into it and intensify and match it,
then you back it off and then you find that
part of you and just see visualized feel sense or
send a like a message to that part of you,
just holding your hands on whatever part of your body
has associated with that stuck feeling, and that can, that can,
and then you can just go into more of a

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peaceful like, Okay, it's okay, we're gonna sort this out.
I'm gonna like make some decisions. Maybe I don't have
all the information yet, but it's coming. Le Me just
be kinder to myself while I sort of get up
the courage, because that's aultuly. Usually when we're stuck, we
also need to hit a point where we just say enough.
That's where you like, I'm stepping up, I'm dealing. We

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feel totally stuck, and then it's just like we're right
at the edge of something. And then finally you just
have to be like enough, enough enough, I'm I draw
the line here no more. And this is where everybody
has to get to. And when we come back, Dr
John Tomorrow is going to explain exactly how you can
get yourself unstuck too. We were just talking about getting

(39:39):
out of the state of being stuck. Before you move
into a true transformative like change in your identity, you
have to hit a point where you feel totally stuck,
totally frustrated because you keep doing the same crap over
and over and over and over. Whether it's smoking cigarettes
or it's like that you want to quit, or it's
a relationship you keep coming back to or that's dysfunctional
or whatever it is, and you have there's a part

(39:59):
of you that no, and that's why you're stuck, that
you keep doing it over and over. And once you
build up that and go into it, and amplify it
and intensify it. For a moment you feel how stuck
you are, you acknowledge it. Then you find that child
part of you that's just like, Hau'm sorry, ignored you.
I'm not going to keep doing this to you. Then
you just you can get the courage and the energy

(40:19):
up to be like, Okay, now I'm taking action, I'm
dealing with this, un confronting this. So it takes journeying
into those places that have been harder to connect with. Well,
so ultimately, when we start working with this energy and
we start to free up these pieces of us, hear
you talk about flow, the flow state, like, so what
is that and how do we know when we're in it?

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Flow is that experience of an effortless ease where it
feels like almost a liquid plasma like state where like
you and the world around you become one merged experience.
And that's what athletes call the zone performers. You know, know,
when you're just channeling, everything's coming through and there's no resistance,
there's no assessing that part of the mind that's that's assessing, like,

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am I doing it right? Am I? Okay? You know
like that cognitive part of the mind just in the background,
and you're just in the moment in the experience, and
you feel energized, and you feel light and buoyant and
like things are just working. There's a synchronistic experience where
everything is just in sync. You and the universe are
are really one. What it takes to access that flow,

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I mean, there's there's research on it by Chasin Mahai
was the original scientist who did all this research on
flow states um. But it usually takes some kind of
challenge where you're stretched and you're pushed in some way,
but your skills allow you to step up to that challenge,
and you have to like get kind of out of
yourself and go beyond this like analytical part of the

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mind and jump up to this higher level of your
being that then moves into this state of where all
your skills and your practice and everything come together and
suddenly you're not really there in control. It's it's like
your body just knows you're being just knows. So that's
anyone who has visited that state even briefly knows that
there's just something that feels like this is me, but

(42:09):
something greater happening here. I'm not I'm not having to
force this, but how do we get into that on
a regular basis, and how do we find more flow? One,
we do have to find these places that are stuck
and bound up and locked up and like acknowledge them,
which liberates some of the energy, but even more for
a lot of people helpful it just start out is
like recognizing that I actually exist. And you and I

(42:31):
talked about this when we work. I exist outside of
my physical body. I don't. I'm not limited by the
form of my physical body because because the truth is
not only can you measure the electromagnetic field of the
body at least three to six feet off the body,
and some people have apparently measured it like fifteen or
more feet off the but like really far off the body,
there's response happening, and there's some energetic qualities that that

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are your field, your your whole energy field. And by
recognizing that we are not trapped in this physical body,
but we're infinite beings that have no real like it's
called nonlocality. We don't exist in the space. You can't
slice the brain open and find like where is LeAnn,
Like she's not going to be inside the brain like,

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you'll see chemical reactions, you'll see neurons firing, and you'll
see all these things going on, but you're not going
to find where your consciousness is. That's something that transcends
this temporary physical existence. So that ability to connect to
that energy field is where flow really starts because there's
no inhibition, there's nothing physical to stop us there. It's

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just completely light and energy. It's the form of us
that's like pre physicality, and the I see the physical
body as a like more of a shadow of that.
There's something called psymatics. I don't know if you're familiar,
but it's a study of how sound waves organized matter
into shapes and form. And so you can put a

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a bunch of sand on a metal plate and then
run different frequencies through it with a tone generator, and
you can make all these different shapes that are very
complex and beautiful shapes. That's happening in our bodies, in ourselves.
So when we go where is that frequency coming from,
it's coming from outside. It's not coming from the sand itself.
It's the frequency of energy that's affecting those little particles

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that then puts them in a certain order. So for us.
That frequency is coming from really outside the body. So
we exist out here in the space around us, and
that is where meditation, That is where even viewing sometimes
yourself from outside your body. For some people, it can
be like going up above where they kind of imagine

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like going out through the top of your head and
looking down and seeing you from all sides and all
around you. It might be like zooming out from eithern
further outside the building you're sitting and seeing if you
can feel sense or see that you exist in a
larger space outside, like wow, I'm looking down at my
house and I see the other houses around, and well,
I can see the whole city, and you can kind
of zoom yourself out even further. For some people it's

(45:06):
really helpful. They go out and they feel like, wow,
it's like spacious and free, and I exist out here
in this space, exist as energy and consciousness. And then
when you come back to the body, you have more
sense of freedom and flow. And now instead of just
going right into this trapped, dense feeling, you can have
a lighter, freer, more vibratory feel because you're not restricted

(45:28):
or contained in this in this body. And the truth is,
the body is more of it's constantly replacing the cells.
I mean, we have like something around sixty to seventy
five or something or a hundred trillion cells in the body,
and they're all being constantly replaced. And so there's some organizing,
organizing energy and frequency that's that's keeping that happening. And

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it's not in our body, it's it's around and beyond us,
and that is where flow can can really be tapped into.
And then when you have both, when you can expand
out and feel connected to that subtle energy and that
subtle body and that non physicality, and then you can
kind of zoom yourself back in and feel that I'm
also I have a physical body and it has density

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to it, and there's vibration and energy there, and I
can sort of sink my way in and feel within
as well. You start to bridge this. What I see
is like a touch screen interface of the universe. I mean,
if you think about like a touch tablet or iPhone
or something, you touch the screen and it gives you
access to the cloud. I mean that's really what the

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body is like. It's the ultimate touch screen, and so
we're we're kind of like interacting with the body and
its vibrations and making the sounds and tones and feeling
and then actually recognize you that I exist out further
from my body and then put bringing our hands back
to our body and touching and exist. I exist within
and I'm sinking in and then I'm kind of building
this bridge of awareness that I'm I'm both in here

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and I'm out there, and I'm neither as well, and
it becomes very interesting. So like once again the concept
of knowing that I've exist outside my body and then
stay connected to that concept through everyday life. It's challenging
for a lot of people that, like I said, that
we're energy and that we're more energy than we are
a matter, like the mind sometimes can't wrap itself around

(47:16):
all of that. So I've been working, whether I know,
the past several days of like really kind of going
back to that idea of oh, yeah, I'm not just
this body and just that alone, Like I do feel
more spaciousness just bringing my awareness, I guess, to that
concept and allowing myself to feel outside of me, because

(47:37):
it can it can feel very dense, we can feel
very alone, just like this is all there is, is
just this human body. When we start to learn about
these things. For me, at least my mind goes it
starts to get very frustrating because I'm like, I want
to stay connected. I want to stay connected to that
that energy and that flow state. But the density can
get sometimes so overwhelming. Yeah, and that density is is

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that's where when we feel so dense and heavy, that's
where we do need to kind of do this acknowledgement first.
Usually we just put touch that area very gently, feel
the kind of heaviness and disconnection sometimes and just acknowledge
and make maybe make a sound, see if you can
kind of match a little vibration of energy as you're
touching that part of your body where you feel that denseness.
Maybe it's your heart, maybe it's your chest, in your

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head or your gut or wherever it is. And then
you can imagine from outside your body you're streaming like
a tornado or a gentle like swirling vortex of energy
down through your fingertips from out off of your body
and then kind of brewing its way like a little
wormhole through into the interior of your body, and then
imagine it kind of going back either out the back
of your body or back out the front of your

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body and starting to realize that like what appears to
be dense and solid is actually just a pattern of energy.
But we may need to bring a kind of a
resource of free flowing energy to that place so that
it can Remember it's almost like a beaver dam is
like built, and someone wants to like poor, like to

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be mean to the beaver's but like they want to
wash it, like they want to like remove the damn.
Like you can go out and like disassemble its stick
by stick, or you could go up the river and
increase the flow and it would just wash everything out
like down river. So in a way, sometimes the way
you unravel that dense heaviness is you go to a
source of energy that feels freer and lighter and more available,

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and then you amplify it and then it can like
flow through and suddenly you have a different perspective that
allows you to gain some awareness, because when energy is
flowing more freely, your awareness changes as well. So that's
where like coming off your body sometimes or feeling is
your existence out in the field energy feeled around you,

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and then bringing your hands to your body and then
imagining sending that energy through and then if you hit
the density, they're just like, ah, that's the place where
I'm disconnected. Let me acknowledge it for a second, and
then let me make a sound that releases it, and
then go back out off my body come back in.
Sometimes that's really the easiest path for people. In your case,
that would be an easier path because you do have

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a very big energy field that's way out here, and
so like the challenge sometimes is then like bridging it
so you're not just way out here or you know,
out in the energy field of the universe, or you're
inside your body and this collapsed a little like tense,
dense place, and the either or nature of that is
where a lot of suffering can happen. So we want

(50:28):
to build a bridge that lets us feel, oh wow,
I can feel the energy within my body. I can
feel the energy around my body. It's all one. And
the truth is like I am the experience and expression
of the universe itself, like merging through this kind of
interface of my body. I'm not inside it yet I'm
also inside of it. It's another paradox. Once you get

(50:49):
towards these deeper truths, you realize that you just get
to these like paradoxes. You're both in your body and
you're not, you're out of your body and you're not.
You're both in neither to experience. That takes exploring, and
it takes practice, and oftentimes it takes a guide or
somebody to work with you. They can help help you
discover some of these things that are a little more
esoteric at first. So I know a lot of people

(51:12):
won't have the chance to work with you, But is
there a place where they can go find out more
information on energy or there are more resources that people
can kind of look into what we've been talking about. Yeah,
I I created something like a free you know process
is still on my website called the seven Day Challenge,
So that's the Fight or Flight to Flow Challenge, So
people can just go get a whole free course there

(51:34):
and I'll guide you through some processes over a seven
day period. So that's one like easy thing. On the
back end of that, there's a couple of courses that I,
you know, just like simple, pretty short courses that I
created and it's just John Emerald dot com. So that's
one way I'm in the process right now of creating
a new whole kind of ecosystem where I'm gonna be

(51:55):
teaching and taking people through practice. I'll be doing live things,
and I'll be teaching and helping people, whether you're a
practitioner or whether you're a human wanting to be more
whole and alive and energized and deal with some of
the challenges you're going through. So there will be a
whole another level coming in the in the coming months.
Very cool. I'm excited for that. I always love to

(52:17):
close with what I know best, which is music, and
I always find it so interesting to hear what's in
people's playlist, and its funny. The other day you I
actually text you, I'm like, can you please send me
the playlist you played? It was so relaxing and so healing.
So um, yeah, I would love for you to share
maybe like five songs that I mean. It's kind of
funny that you asked, because a lot of the music

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that I listened to a lot is that like mantra
and healing music. And yet when I was thinking about
songs and what came to me was like Van Morrison
crazy love is like so good. My wife and I've
been together twenty eight years now, we've been married almost
twenty five years and that was our wedding song, which

(53:01):
is played out pretty pretty appropriately. So that was so
love Van More Everything by Van Morrison. I mean Bob Marley.
I mean, I grew up listenings so much like Lively
up yourself so good. I put Bob Marley on almost
like at least twice or two to three times a

(53:24):
week in our house when I'm making dinner because he's
so happy and there's step and yeah, you know another wise,
I was thinking, like it's always got me for somebody,
that Marshall Tucker band. Can't you see what that woman's
been doing to me? That's a good one. Another apropos

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one for for my my relationship that's been like passionate
and amazing but intense, like any passionate relationship is. I'm
a classic rock fan, so like led Zeppelin, like stair
Away to Heaven, I mean, come on so good. But
I also I mean I love like rap and hip

(54:08):
hop and stuff so like I mean, I love a
lot of the new stuff coming out in hip hop,
but I mean all the way back to like run DMCs,
old school Run DMC is so good. My husband is
a huge hip hop fan, and yeah, I've learned he's
learned about country music for me, old school country music,

(54:29):
and I've learned about old school hip hop from him.
So yeah, and then I mean country. You know, my
wife was from New York. You know, she got me
into country music, and oh really yeah, you know, interestingly,
kind of ironically because I grew up in a much
more rural area of California and she grew up on
Long Island, New York, and she was like fully into
cut to music. Krishna Doss is like my you know,

(54:52):
I mean that is Krishna Doss is probably my favorite.
I have to say, um that the other day there
was something that you played on the soundtrack and on
the set whatever it's called things called a soundtrack, but
on your playlist that he just had something about his
voice like is so rich and moves me so deeply.
So yeah, totally with you on Christian DAWs long, Um, well,

(55:19):
thank you, thank you so much for being here and
and sharing your wisdom with our listeners. And I appreciate
my experience because it's definitely, like like I said, I
think I felt I felt like that the trees were breathing.
I felt like there was like life became this intense
experience for a few hours. It became something where I

(55:42):
it was very it was very joyful and connected and
that um yeah, I I really do appreciate being able
to have that experience when we're removing those filters and
so opened up to the true nature of this like glorious, amazing, abundant,
like incredible life that we are blessed to have. It's
like kind of psychedelically awesome. So let's do more and

(56:04):
we can make that more of like the baseline where
that just is like the starting point of every day
and then you just go even more expanded from there.
That would be amazing. Yeah, thank you, Thank you so much.
Thank you, And that wraps up this episode and our
first season of Holy Human. Thank you all so much
for joining me on this journey. I have had a

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blast creating this for you. From where we started to
where we are now in twelve episodes is like night
and day. So thank you so much for being on
this ride with me. I look forward to discovering so
much more. And as always, I so appreciate hearing from you,
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you feel could benefit from listening. I love you, guys.
On our next season of Holy Human, We're going to
dive in even deeper into all the complex and brilliant
pieces that make up our human and our Holy and
grow together to become our most fulfilled whole selves. Until then,
I wish you all health, love, and the courage to

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