November 24, 2025 • 55 mins
Today, Ashlyn sits down with the one and only Jennifer Welch, from interior designer on Bravo's Sweet Home Oklahoma to being political on her podcast I've Had It. Today, Jennifer is talking about cutting conservative women out of her pickleball league, how she shows up for the queer community, who she thinks will be the first female president, the MAGA masculinity crisis, and moving to New York City!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.
I am your host, Ashlyn Harris, and I can't wait
for this week's episode and this guest.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Jennifer Welsh.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, as you all know, you know, I don't get
too political on my podcast, Wide Open, but I think
right now everything matters, and everything is becoming political. Rights
are being taken, especially in my community, women's rights. We're
rolling back everything, and I think it's important when you
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have a platform to do right by your community and
the people that actually follow you, that you talk about
the things that matter most.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I know most of you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Out there are allies of our community or a part
of it. And we had Jasmine Crockett on last week
to kind of just talk to us about the state
of where our government is right now with the shutdown
going on and now it you know, recently being reopened.
To bring in a more culturally relevant podcaster political analysis now,
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Jennifer Welsh, because I find that the way her take
on politics is easily digestible because it's culturally relevant. I
think she is funny. I think she is extremely intelligent.
She knows what she's talking about. There's truth to her voice,
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and she knows how to have a good time, and
I want to bring that voice into this show, you know,
especially now she's a neighbor. She just moved to New
York City, and I you know, I'm getting to spend
a lot of time with her, and I want you
all to be able to listen to what's going on because,
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you know, with the Epstein files being released and the
world is an absolute dumpster fire right now, we need
to figure out how we're going to show up and
how we're going to move forward, how we're going to
hold people accountable, and how we're going to create a
better space moving forward that this never happens again. And
I hope you guys take something out of this podcast
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cast because I find her insanely intelligent with what she's doing,
and she's going viral everywhere for the work she's doing
in politics and how she's choosing to show up for
immigrants and queer people like myself. So enjoy the episode everyone. Okay,
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everyone buckle up, pour a beverage, hide your children, because
Jennifer Welch is here today and we are about to
go there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
If you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Jenna is a comedic sniper from that I've had a podcast.
She is captain of calling bullshit and one of the
few people who can make you laugh so hard you
forget the country is basically held together by duct.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Tape and denial.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We talk about her friendship with Pumps, why her humor
hits in a moment where everyone's absolutely exhausted, and what
it looks like to hold power accountable without losing your
mind or your sense of humor. This one's chaotic, honest, hopeful,
and a little dangerous, just the way we like it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Let's get into it. Welcome Jennifer Welch.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
This week's guest is one of my favorite Jennifer Welch.
Welcome to the show, my friend. It's so good to
see your beautiful, smiling face.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be
on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, listen, you're my new neighbor and I've already been
over to your chic apartment. Tell me how it feels
to be living in New York City now, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My gosh, it's so fabulous because I like people, but
I don't want to have too many prolonged interactions. And
New York City is the perfect city because in the evenings,
I'm like, I kind of want to do something, but
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I really don't want to interact with people.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But I want to see people.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I want to know that we're on the same planet,
we're the same species. We're living, you know, at this
moment in time. So I get my little French bulldogs
and I get their little harnesses on them, and then
we go out and we walk a couple of miles
every night and it's just electric.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's so much fun. I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And the main thing I love about living here is
nobody gives a shit about anything petty at all. And
I love Oklahoma City, but my god, the pettiness and
the nosiness is so toxic and that just I haven't
experience that here at all.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I need to know because that's that's quite the whiplash
in my opinion. I mean, I don't know what it's
I mean, I grew up in Florida, so trust me,
I get it. Oklahoma is one of the most conservative
states out there, and you're so progressive and you write
so hard for our people.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Like, what has that transition been and why now all
of a sudden in New York By the way you
fit in perfectly. I saw your story. Those little friend
chees had a little new sweater. Some mama went shopping.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I took the dogs on a shopping spree. Yeah, we
went to this cute little dog clothing store and they
had cute sweaters. I splurged. They were sensations. The owner
of the store was taking photographs of them to put
on Instagram, which my dogs are incredibly photogenic, you guys,
I mean painfully photogenic. Okay, but nonetheless, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Tell me about this transition.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oklahoma is a state in total is very conservative, is
very religious, and very proud of that. Oklahoma City is
a city of a million people and it's purple exactly.
Oklahoma City voted exactly the way the whole country did,
which is basically like forty eight forty nine or forty
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eight forty seven. So you have these die hard progressive
people in Oklahoma City that really fight the good fight.
And I would say that red state liberals are just
built different. They're tough because every day you're on the defense.
Every day you see the fuckery and the hypocrisy of
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these maga Christians on full display. You see how cruel
they are. You talk to your gay guy friends. And
you know that grinder is full of a bunch of
these Bible tote and Bible thump and married men that
are triple trumpers with their Ford f one fifty that
happen to have a side hustle as a power bottom
on grinder.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So you see it, right.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then you have the people, and these are the
people that piss me off the most in Oklahoma that
they are they've traveled enough and they're sophisticated enough to
know that triple trumping is not cool, and so they
lie about it.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And that's the worst to me. If you're going to
be a.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Trumper, own it, put it on your truck, put it,
make your the fight, fight fight, make that your profile photo.
Just go all in, lean all in. But a lot
of women in Oklahoma City that I know think that
they are progressive, and they have they'll play pickleball with
some lesbians or they have it. I have other friends,
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they'll take pad, they'll play pickle I had a couple
of ladies in my pickleball group that I just refused
to play with after the last election because we have
a straight women and some lesbians, and these lesbians naturally,
we're so hurt by the last election, like really felt personal.
It felt personal to their marriages, it felt personal to
their life, to their identity. Of course, in these women
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that the tax change, the tax break, whatever, it's not
going to change their life at all. If they pay
ten percent more in taxes, it's going to change their
lives zero percent. But the hypocrisy that they're able to
go and hug this beautiful married couple that do nothing
but bring joy to our lives and kick our ass
on the pick aball court. Because this is anecdotal, but
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I'm here to say that I think lesbians are better
athletes than straight women. But that's just that's just my
own opinion from getting my ass kicked by lesbians on the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Court all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But I just saw that and I thought, you know what,
a lot of gay people and queer people in Red
States have had to put their needs and their self
respect on the back burner to assimilate into conservative communities.
And so they're like, it hurts my feelings, but I'm
not going to say anything to them, And I'm like,
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well i am.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I'm going to hate them for both of us.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm not playing with them. I'm removing them from the
pickleball note, and all the girls knew I'm not playing pickleball.
After the election, I said, I'm not playing with any
of those Trump voting women. I'm not going to allow
them to be a hypocrite to my face.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's what I love, Jen, Like, what I love so
much about you is like you have such elegance but
chaos at the same time, and Southern charm and your
ability to just cut through the bullshit and like own
your voice is so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Intoxicating to me.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I want more, more, more, I want more of you
all the fucking time.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I'm curious, though, when did this start? Has this
always been you?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Has this always been exactly how you move in the world,
or did this like pot you know, your podcast and
everything that you You've become.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So culturally important to people like me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Did this come through the podcast or has this always
been part of the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Way you moved.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I've always been this.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I have always been so. I was raised by atheists
in the Bible Belt, and so that put me on
defense because if you live in the Bible Belt, to
your listeners that have never lived in the South, it's
important that you understand this distinction. Evangelicals are kind of
different than like a Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopalian evangelicals. Their
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number one goal is to recruit people, and they're constantly
concerned about your soul, telling you you're going to go
to Hell and demons are going to torture you forever,
Jesus is coming back, rapture preppers, banana shit, right, This
isn't Christian light. I have a spiritual thing. This is
crazy town. And so I was always kind of on
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the defense. My mother is a huge thinker and a
voracious learner, voracious reader, and we would always have these
really robust conversations about I don't know, psychology or history
or politics, and I always just kind of had the
gift of the gab. But I will say little non
fact about me in high school my senior year, I
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won state in debate.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Of course you did, Yeah, of course you did.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So it's always been there.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I love this because it's not just that like you're
so quick and you're witty and you get it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
This is what I love.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The fucking names you have for these idiots makes it
so fun to be a part of. Like I never
thought politics was so fun until I met you, where
did you come up with Kenkel's mctacco tits?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
What do you call them? Baby titties? What the things
you're dropping?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm like, oh, actually, she's insanely intelligent, but she's a
comedian now, like what so where did that come from from?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It just comes out of me, And we don't plan
it ahead, like we have talking points, like we're going
to talk about this, about this, about this, and then
once I get worked up, it's like somebody just wound
me up. And then I go in front of the
microphone and then it just and I forget because we
filmed so much Ashland, I forget half the shit I say,
And so then Kylie will cut it up and she
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puts it on Instagram, right, and then I'm scrolling through
and then that kangles mctaco tits. That's the one where
I'm like, get your fat asses out of the Mexican
restaurant and go to Cracker Bear. Well, it goes vi
role Blox News did like three days wall to wall
coverage on it, right, and I forget that I said it,
And then it just is this moment because I think
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we I'd probably recorded that maybe twenty days before it
went viral, or maybe fifteen days before it went viral.
And then Kylie our darling very talented lesbian producer. She's
such a she's so good at taking what we say
and cutting it up and making it go yel. But
all of that shit, like the little Smoky for jd
Vance because he's the little he here's the smoky eye.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, tell me lay it out for the listeners who
don't know. If you're not listening to the I've Had
It podcast, wake the fuck up, because it literally is
one of the best out there, if not the best,
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Run me through what you like what you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Say to these political leaders in terms of nicknames. Let's
just call him nicknames. But what are the hot ones
right now? Because I'm I would need the listeners to
hear this.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, So we have for Trump he is It was
Kenkell's Mctaco Tits, but now I just refer to him
as Kanks. Thanks, just Canks and it's so satisfying. And
actually we went and moderated Kamala Harris's book tour in
Los Angeles and I told her on stage that I
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called him Kanks, and she.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Just like whipped her head.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
She goes that there's just something satisfying about it because
it's kind of like skank but canks.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And then JD.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Vance his official name is failed Drag Queen, Smoky Eye Sociopath,
and I just refer to him as a little smoky
l I l apostrophe Ted Cruz is the unfuckable Ted Cruise.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I love this because he just is.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Horrific and obviously Pumps calls Caroline Lovit Caroline kkk Levitt.
And then there's this billionaire that's always around Trump. His
name is Howard Lutnik, and we call him Howard Nutleck.
But I can't take credit for that. That was somebody
on the Midas.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Touch that did that. That's so good.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But the thing about these men is they are such dorks. Furthermore,
I've never seen so many men and I have hung out.
I'm an interior designer for twenty five years before I
ever did any podcasting. I have never heard groups of men,
gay or straight, have to talk about their masculinity as
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much as I've had. I've heard this the men in
this administration and the supporters of this administration. And we
just found out recently Ashland, through these Epstein drops that
Donald Trump gave somebody named Bubba a blowjob, and that
apparently Vladimir Putin had the goods on this, either video
or photo. And I can't, for the life of me,
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understand why everybody'sn't talking about this. Twenty four seven through
sixty five. Yeah, I want to talk about Trump blowing
Bubba all day, all day.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I can start now, I can do this next week.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We can keep going this topic. We can keep going.
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, I'm not surprised. Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
No, I'm not, And I'll tell you that when we
started podcasting, we've had some guests on and then sometimes.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You talk to them as you do.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Sin was a little bit before and a little bit after,
and I had heard some rumblings about Kanks maybe liking
men from some people who have known him for quite
some time. So I'm not surprised. And this is a
very delicate situation, and I want your listeners to understand
where I stand on this. A lot of people in Oklahoma,
a lot of my gay friends in the nineties had
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a really hard time coming out to their families and
it was a really traumatic experience for them. And if
they're living, you know, playing straight or feigning heterosexuality in
front of their families, but then with their friends they
can be who they are authentically are. I would never
want to out that person if they're doing that in
a way that is for their own survival, for their
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own serenity. But these fuckers, these fuckers weaponize Christianity against
your community, and they browbeat the LGBTQ plus people all
day every day, claim that drag queens are dangerous for
children when they're cult leader is Kinkles deep in the
middle of a pedophile ring, given blowjobs to Bubba and
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then apparently doing stuff with underage girls. And then a
lot of the people in the administration, like Moses, Mike
Grinder Johnson, that's what I call the Speaker of the House,
Lindsey lil Sis Graham, Lady Graham, and I think a
little smoky.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I think these.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
People talk about all of this heterosexuality and family.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Values during the.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Day and at night they're fetishizing the people that they
are using their faith to weaponize against. And I think
all of those people should be called out because I
think underneath a lot of this stuff is repressed.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah shit.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And you know what else is so fucked that everyone
needs to start talking about is the fact that he
came out yesterday saying fourteen year olds are old enough,
and what is his truth social whatever that is? Fourteen's
are old enough to make their own decisions for any
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type of I'm sorry, that's the president of our country
being like, stop with the Epstein files. Fourteen year olds
are old enough. I'm like, y'all, wake the fuck up.
This is who is representing our country, who's making the
law of the land, who works out of his mouth,
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is saying fourteen year old that's not right, they're old enough.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But what do we expect? Sick.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This is a guy who when he was on Howard Stern,
this is not new information. He was on Howard Stern
before he ever descended from the escalator and Howard Stern
asked him.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
What is your age cut off? And he said to twelve.
This is on video.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
He said he would go as young as twelve, but
below twelve was too young. He said that if Ivanka
wasn't his daughter, hit fucker. He said that when he
owned the Miss USA and Miss teen USA, he would
go into the dressing rooms where underage girls were changing
clothes and he could inspect them because he owned the pageant.
So none of this is new. He's an adjudicated rapist
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with Egene Carol and this has always been out there.
And I think the larger question is why does this
have effort get away with this stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Do you know if anybody, oh no, that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Gets away with this kind of stuff, nor a person.
What's so disturbing for me is they say, now he
has like thirty five percent, which is way too high approval.
Wit these thirty five percent of Americans celebrate the villain.
They just celebrate this horrific person. And that's so devastating
when you think about it, and the generational impact that
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this is going to have on people that are coming
of age and they've had him as the ambient politician
in the.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Background of their childhoods yep.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And the way he's behaved, and then the excuses that
are made for him, the universities that have been over,
the industry, titans that have been over. It's abhorrent what
has happened to our culture. But I do think what
Trump represents is all of the worst things about Americans
brought to like one horrible ZiT head, like it's him.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It makes me crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It makes me crazy because I just I'm like, it
doesn't for any normal human with any type of decency.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It just makes zero sense to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So I have like a hard time grappling with the
idea that someone would ever fucking support him and have children,
have a community, think it's okay not being held accountable.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
The list goes on. But when did so?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I remember Renee, actually Renee Stubs. We were driving to
friends giving a few years back and she was like, you,
let's just listen to this podcast, the I've had it podcast,
so good, so entertaining Pumps, the best, the Best Love Pumps.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Who's your co hosts?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
How did this even start? I heard you bought all
of your equipment. I heard you funded it got a spot.
When did it really take off? When did it become
heavily political? Because it is such it has so much
success right now, I imagine it's changing both of your lives,
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But like, when did this start?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
How did it start?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So just like two weeks ago the podcast turned three,
It's only been three years, and so Pumps and I
were on a Bravo show in twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen.
It was called Sweet Home Oklahoma for one season, and
then the next season it was called sweet Home, which
kind of followed my interior design business which Pumps was
on it and it wasn't renewed. We had a ton
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of fun doing it. It was a game changer for
my interior design business because I went from doing projects
in like Oklahoma City, Dallas area to nationwide. And our
children sometimes that I've been friends were over twenty years
and so our kids are really good friends. So her
daughter Emily and my son Dylan, you know, they're always
trolling on Instagram and shit. And they were like, you
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still have so many people that want you to come
back to reality TV or think you should do a podcast.
I'm like, I'm never doing reality TV again. It was fun,
no regrets.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Bravo treated us great.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's just exhausting because you just have people following you everywhere.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And they said you should try a podcast, so I
was like, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So then I called around for studios in Oklahoma City
and I was like, what am I thinking.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I own my own interior design studio.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I own my own building and it has it downstairs
and upstairs, and I thought, well, I'll just turn the
upstairs into a podcasting studio, so.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I decorated it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That was where you see now I'm in New York
in my apartment, but with the blue cowhide wallpaper. And
I bought all the equipment. And we didn't know what
the hell we were doing. And we started, and the
plot of it was I've had it, which is something
my mother has long said forever. She's from Dallas, and
so I'll tell her, like, Mom, you need to do this.
She go, well, I've had it. Yeah, she kind of
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says it like that brilliant.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And so we first started talking about like toddlers because
they're assholes, and we loved our toddlers, but you know,
they're difficult and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Gender revealed parties.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You know, people that have conversations online instead of you know,
you'll see people that are performative couples online instead of
like just privately texting each other, just stupid grievances that
either people were offenders.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Of they're like, oh my god, you got me, I
do that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But it was all in good fun to know me
now or twenty five years ago or thirty years ago
you would know Jennifer's very political. Jennifer's a political junkie. Yeah,
she does in tear design, but she is die hard
into politics. So it can't help but ooze out of
me politics. And when I see injustice, I speak out
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about it. And so, you know, when we first started it,
Joe Biden was president. You know, Kank's was a little
bit around, but it's just like okay, whatever. Well then
it really starts gearing up and he's gearing up, and
so it just it took a.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Turn to politics.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And then once we turned there and then now where
we are, I feel like it would be malpracticed to
have a microphone and not.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Speak about this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think, I just there's so much suffering. When I
think about what's happening to the immigrant population right now,
hardworking people, and how they're being targeted in the racism
towards those communities. I just feel like I would really
be a big miss in my life if I didn't
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use this microphone to talk about those injustices and fight
for the marginalized.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, it's really I can imagine because now you're everywhere
you and pumps are everywhere, You're going viral. I imagine
this turn to lean into politics and having such a
massive platform for people to tune in and listen to you,
because that's the hard part right now. Sophia actually just
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moderated the VP's book tour in Toronto yesterday.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Oh cool, and we like to keep it in the family.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But that's what she you know, Vice President Harris was saying, like,
there's no truth anywhere. That's the problem is what you know,
Conservatives are being dished in their algorithm versus you know,
progressive people and queer people and people who actually have
a soul. It's just you don't really know where to
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find truth anymore. So it is important that we have
these podcasts because there are people who are getting these
microphones as you're a rogan and saying shit that is
really fucking up the landscape of a lot of our youth,
mostly our youth men, white youth men, males, and it's
really becoming problematic because we're grooming these young boys into
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fucking assholes and it's only going to get more costly.
And I love that you're taking this platform. You're holding
people account you're accountable, you're speaking the fucking truth.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And now you're going on you know.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
All types of news shows because people value what you're saying. So,
as a democratic person myself, what do you think we're
winning right now?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
What do you think we're losing? And what are we like?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What part is actually just we're fucking embarrassing because we're
just gonna We don't have to be politically correct, we
can just speak the truth. So I'm curious in your
thoughts because you are so smart and you are so
ingrained in everything right now when it comes to policy
and politics, and people are turning to you for the
truth in a way that they can digest and make
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it enjoyable, which I think you cut through the noise,
which I love. So what do you think we're winning?
What do you think we're losing? And how the fuck
are we just so embarrassing right now?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, I think we're winning when we run on economic populism.
I think we're winning when we do not throw one
marginalized group under the bus. And there's been a lot
of toying with that with centrist Democrats. The embarrassing part
for me are the centrist Democrats that I call pick
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me democrats, where they will say we just need to
quit talking about trans issues.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
That's why we lost.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And I just think if you cave and you try
to make everybody like you, and you throw a group
of people under the bus that are getting bullied and
that have very high suicide rates, I think that really
shows how inauthentic you are as a politician and as
a party. And where we're losing right now is democratic leadership.
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And I'm talking about chuckles Shamra, I'm talking about Hakim Jeffreys,
and I'm talking about some other Democrats that like Corey Booker,
that are beholden to APAC corporations. And let me spell
this out for your listeners like this, because I think
this is very important. I think this is going to
be a litmus test. When I talk about Israel, I'm
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not talking about Jewish people, and I'm not going to
be emotionally blackmailed by people that I can't criticize a
country that is governed by a war criminal that has
an international arrest warrant out for his arrest, that funded
Hamas so that he could stay in power. I am
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not going to be told that I can't criticize that.
And if I criticize that, that I'm anti Semitic. That's bullshit,
that's emotional blackmail, and that doesn't help Jewish people, it
doesn't help anybody. And so think about it like this, Ashlyn.
Elon Musk gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars
to get him elected. Right, do you want to know
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who else gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars?
A pack, A pack in its affiliates gave Trump three
hundred and thirty million dollars. Wouldn't it be disqualifying right now?
If Hakim Jeffries or Corey Booker or any Democratic politician
took money from Elon Musk, they would be kicked down
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the river. You'd say, we want you out of our party.
But they take money from a pack. And if you notice,
these are the people that didn't endorse Zoron Mom Donnie,
and they didn't endorse him. From what I can see
is the Democrats that try to play pick me or
what I called controlled opposition. So they're controlled by this
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same force that wanted Kinks to win. Why do these
people want Kinks to win? Because Kinks will let them
do war crimes. Kinks will let them do horrible things.
And I think it's important for the Democratic Party and
Zorin did this really beautifully, and I think that we
with microphones need to keep messaging this. Anti Semitism is
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linked to Islamophobia, is linked to homophobia, is linked to transphobia,
is linked to sexism, is linked to racism. And we
can say for sure there's been a rise in anti semitism,
but I can also say there's been a rise in Islamophobia.
And I can also say there's been a rise in
misogyny and sexism. You know, just you can't hardly turn
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on The New York Times ran an opinion piece that said,
did women ruin the workplace? This is the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
The shit going on there, Jennifer is crazy old right now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And so we we can't prioritize anti Semitism is the
only form of bigotry that is important. We have to
make sure they're all the same and not one gets
preferential treatment over the other because they are all connected.
I think this helped keeps Jewish people safe, it helps
keep as long Muslim people safe, women's safe, et cetera.
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And so I think we win when we message an
economic populist message plus universal human rights and as it
pertains to Zoron. I think the most embarrassing thing on
the planet is that Chuckles and Hakim, both from New York,
did not endorse him.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And maybe they're not as liberal as he is. And
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I think they can say, Look, I agree with Zoron
seven out of ten things, but he won. The people
of New York voted for him. He kicked everybody's asks,
and as a Democrat, I'm endorsing him. He's a little
further left than me, but you know what, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That's but they did do it.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Because of this Israel thing. And then you have like
the ADL, the Anti Defamation League that started this Mom
Dammi monitor and this guy that runs the ADL, his
name is, his last name is green Blatt. And it
just amazes me that for the ADL and for Jewish people,
anti semitism from a white rich supremacist named Elon Musk acceptable,
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it's acceptable, they make a carve out for it. But
then criticism of Israel and them killing and starving kids
is somehow anti Semitic, and I just I want to
cut through all of that. And I think the Democrats
need to have moral clarity on that and they need
to lead with that because if they don't, then grifters
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like Marjorie Taylor Green are going to come in and
fill the void. And she's a very dangerous bad actor
that's trying to rebrand herself.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I call bullshit on well shit, and Jasmine Crockett
said the same fucking thing, like we we can't forget
the core of these fucking people and what they're trying
to do right now. And I'm curious now because we
did have you know what was it about a week
and a half, two weeks ago, Now we swept a
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lot of voting, like the Democrats. Do you think people
are waking the fuck up? Do you think people are
seeing now what is at stake, what this has costed us,
and how this is going to take a long fucking
time to fix.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Do you think people get it when you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Look at those initial reactions from the voting people.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I do.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I think when you look at what happened with Kamala
and Trump, the base didn't show up, and now they're
realizing that that apathy or the not voting, you know,
was incredibly problematic. You also have independence that are flipping.
You also have the Latinos for Trump that for some reason,
I guess they didn't see at the RNC the huge
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signs that said mass deportations now and maybe thought that
that wasn't going to impact their communities. And so I
do think that there's a mass wake up to this.
I also think, and I think this is really important
for your listeners to understand. I believe that the support
that we all feel from Maga online is manufactured. Look
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at all of the people that own all of these
websites that were on Musk, Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, etc.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
They have bought farms that amplify all this Maga shit.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And Maga is real and there are real Maga people
out there, and I can tell you from just moving
from Oklahoma to here. And they're fucking crazy for sure,
these Triple Trumpers. But I do believe that there are
far more of us than there are of them, and
I do think that.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It's on its last leg.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Ye has for a dictator, he has to be the
strong man and he has to emit this strength. And
let's talk about Kink's current physical manifestation. We have bruses
on the hand that he has to cover up with cosmetics, Meanwhile,
he's anti drag. He wears, you know, the makeup, the
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lack of blending is getting worse and wild than man.
Boobs are saggier than I've ever seen. The cankles are
out of control. He brags openly about being able to
identify an elephant on a piece of paper and said
he wanted to challenge AOC to a cognitive test. And
just a couple of days ago Ashland, somebody in Air
Force one asked him the MRI that you received, what
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was that on your brain? And he said he couldn't remember.
So we've got a dementia ridden cankles Mctaco Tits, who
we refer to as canks, who is a frail senior citizen.
And have you seen that man out of drag? Have
you seen it?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh my god, it's painful.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
He really looks like shit shitagap and the orange hair
actually improve and I didn't think that would be possible.
That actually makes him look better. I kind of understand
why he does it.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now, stay tuned, I'll be back in just a moment
after this brief message from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Things that have been trending lately, did you hear the
Michelle Obama quote when people keep asking her about, well,
what does it look like for you in politics? Would
you ever run to be, you know, a president or
whatever it is, And she said, listen, y'all aren't ready
for a female president, so miss me with the bullshit
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and stop wasting my time, which I love too, because
she cuts through the noise.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
She's not playing around. That woman is extremely.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Smart and she knows exactly the landscape of this country.
And she said it, don't fucking waste my time with
this bullshit. When y'all are ready to have a female president,
we can talk. And I'm curious of what you think
about that, because it has been heartbreaking as a woman,
especially a queer woman, these last two elections. I really thought,
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I'm really, Jennifer, I really fucking thought we were gonna
win and we were gonna see this in our lifetime
and we were gonna have a woman leading this country,
and fuck have we fallen short? And now I'm just
I'm curious for what your thoughts are on this.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Are we ready?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Is this fucking country ready for a woman to lead?
Or we're still not even close.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I have this horrible I hate to be this guy
at the Garden Party Ashland.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But I have this horrible thought.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And you remember when Nikki Haley ran in the primary
and she got some good votes, and now she's just quiet.
I think that broad is going to come out, and
I am terrified that the first female president might be
a conservative.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Oh god, no.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And I know that's probably just me living in the
Trump era. I think that there's some ways we have to.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Both Kamala and Hillary ran in the middle, and they
played the pig me Democrat, took corporate donations and they
didn't offer And I voted for both of them, and
I would have been tickled pink. But we have to
be constructive in criticizing what errors our party made. I
think if Kamala would have come out of the gates
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and been more critical of Joe Biden and more critical
of his foreign policy. But what made her such a
good vice president would have made her a good isn't it.
She was so disciplined and she was so loyal. I
think if we have a woman that came out and
ran on economic populism, on universal human rights, I think
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a woman could win. I do think a woman could
win in this country. I think The problem with the
Democratic Party with Hillary and Kamala was that they were
too centrist. And I think that there's this whole thing
that Democrats play if I'm a centrist and some of
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these Republicans are going to vote for me, And I'll
tell you when I knew Kamala was going to lose.
It was when she started trotting around with Liz Cheney.
I told Pumps, I said she's going to lose. She
was like, how could you say that? How could you
say that? And I said nobody. These Republican women are
not going to vote for her because she's walking around
with Liz Cheney. The will their husbands will say, if
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you want that new perse, you better vote for Trump
or we're going to be broke, and they will do
exactly what their husbands say, because it's all for these
country club Republicans. And that's what that Liz Cheney thing was.
And I knew if you're trying to get these people
to flip, you're trying to get the wrong people out. Instead,
she should have played through the base. And of course
it's easy to Monday morning quarterback, and she ran an
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incredible campaign in one hundred and seven days but we
have to as we move forward, how do we win?
And I mean a pardon me, thinks, okay, let's run
Andy Bursheer, white Christian right out a central casting choir boy.
But then I think, okay, look at what Zoran just did,
and he spoke honestly to people, and.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
He had all the packs.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
All the billionaires spent like I think I read like
ten billionaires spent like twenty four to twenty five million,
and they lost, you know, Andrew Cromo got his ass
beat twice twice. And so then I think, you know what,
let's just have a really robust primary. Maybe it's a one,
but I think the litmus test for the Democratic Party
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moving forward is if you take corporate donations, specifically for MAYPAC.
I think the base is not going to be forgiving
no matter what state you're in.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And it's toxic. I totally agree. And and in your mind,
who would you like to see? Who would you like
to see running this country?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Like if you could pick anyone, like, who do you
see right now that that have the tools and more importantly,
have the fucking backbone?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
This this we fight fire with fire.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We're too fucking nice, We're too We're always trying to
play too many fucking sides and.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
We get we get torched in the process.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I agree with you on that, Yeah, I mean think
about it like this, Ashlynn, when Joe Biden Trumpet already
won and Joe Biden was still in office before they
did the transition, and Joe Biden pardoned his son, and
these Democratic strategists go out on the airwave and they
have stage five meltdowns. I can't believe he pardoned his son.
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And I'm like, this is why we fucking lose. Motherfuckers,
We're playing two different games. You're upset that he pardoned
his son. Any parent anywhere would do it because you
have a whack job prancing into the Oval, and he
will try to throw Hunter in jail just to give
his rabid cult like.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Bass a bone.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And for me, that was one of the more savage
things Joe Biden did, and I wish he would have
done more of that when he was in office. But
I think we have to have just a total fighter.
I really like JB. Pritzker a lot. I like what
Gavin Newsom's doing. He's just he's fighting, he's fighting, he's hot.
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I just if somebody will just go fight. Like hell,
Gavin's going to have problems and headwinds with the bass,
with the corporate donations, and if I'm just playing the
tape through, because this last presidency, Trump's second victory has
caused the electorate to become more educated. People are more
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political now and they're figuring out why did this happen?
And nobody's really tuning into mainstream media anymore, where you
just get the you know, pundits that feed you. Because
I used to be a really good, obedient MSNBC Democrat
and that's all I did. Now I'm way way further
to the left, and that's happened to all of us.
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And so he's going to have problems, you know. I
just I don't know who it's going to be yet,
and I think we need to have a really robust
UH primary and see let them beat up on each other.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
I mean, let's you know, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Going to step up.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I want I want competitors. I do too, I want
like and I think that's Jennifer. I think that's also
the issue is we don't know. I want to fucking know.
I want to know who's going in there blazing hot,
rolling up their fucking sleeves, ready to go to battle for.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Everyone. It doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
We have to cater to making everyone's life better. And
I want to know who that person is, and I
worry that it might be a little difficult. So people
need to start rising to the occasion because so much
is on the line right now.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
You know who's darling that we had on the podcast,
and you've got to go follow him.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Actually do this, you guys, go to your TikTok.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
And enter Wesmore whistle dance and he is the governor
of Maryland.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And he is.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
As good licking as i'll get out, smart, compassionate, and
he's a great dancer. And I just remember back in seven,
everybody thought Hillary was going to be the candidate moving
into eight and this young, attractive, well spoken, smart man,
brock Hussein Obama ends up capturing the entire Democratic Party and.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
It was incredible, And so I think that something like
that could happen here. But I'll tell you this, much
as much as I dislike corporate Democrats right now, I
would crawl through ten feet of concrete to vote for
one over a MAGA, because I know what a difference
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even a corporate centrist democratic politician makes in states like mine,
where women that are raped have to have their rapist baby,
which disproportionately affects poor people, where queer kids are just
bullied by the government, by their churches, by their parents,
by the schools.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
It's just horrific.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
The suicide rates are through the roof.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And that's the worst part is the numbers don't lie,
and they still keep driving this narrative. And young kids
are taking their life, their lives every fucking minute, every day,
every second, and they still keep going on and on
and on threatening our youth. It makes no sense to me,
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Like we were talking about fucking children, and I'm not
saying fifteen year old children, some as young as eleven
years old. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I have some friends in Oklahoma and then I'll get
your question, really good friends of mine, and they have
a trans daughter and they have completely outlawed trans care
in the state of Oklahoma, and so she has to
now move her family to California because the suicide rate
is so high amongst you know, trans youth. And it's
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just the way she's treated, not only by the government,
by the other people in Oklahoma, other parents. It's really abhorrent.
And all of these people are huge Christians and advertise
their Christianity and then they just show no compassion or
empathy or acceptance or comfort to this wonderful family, and
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it's just it's really just such a sad scenario for me.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
It really is, like, it's just it's been really heartbreaking
to be a part of the community and to see
what length these fucking awful humans are willing to go.
And you know, that's why we keep fighting, and that's
why we roll up our sleeves and we keep talking
about it and we do our part and serve our
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people in our community, whether they look like you, whatever.
The fucking case is just showing up for people's dignity.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
We have totally lost sight of that.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
And sorry, the question I wanted to round everything up is,
you know, I appreciate what you do. I appreciate because
I know it's not easy getting political, especially at this state,
and the risk that comes with it, and you know
it brings in a lot of hate and a lot
of eyeballs and you're choosing that every day, which I respect.
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And you stand up for the LGBTQ plus community even
though you know, you're a straight white woman, and you
have this incredible family, these beautiful kids, and you understand
the levity and the importance of fighting for people like
me and my community. And I'm grateful for that, and
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I want you to hear from me thank you, because
I know it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
You know it's I'll tell you where that comes from.
First of all, my mother. She always was so accepting
of people. And when I was in the eighties, my
mother would take me to the mall it's called Crossroads
Mall in Oklahoma City, and we would go get perms
with big bangs and all that stuff. And we had
a hairdresser named Roland just as gay as I'll get
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out right, and my mother just loved him. And then
one day my mother picks me up from school and
she said, Darling, we're going to go see Roland, but
I have an announcement to make She's real dramatic my mother.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
And I said, well, what is it?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And she said, well, Roland is now Renee and you
need to make sure you call him her. She is
transitioning and we just need to make sure we're accepting
in kind. I was twelve, Okay, So this is the
first time I ever heard about somebody being trans. I
didn't even know if that was the word. But it
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wasn't a surprise to me because Roland presented very female
and then definitely Renee seemed much more authentic to who
this person is now. And so years later I was
out at the gay bar because I always had all
these gay guy friends, and we were out dancing and
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I see Renee and this is probably fifteen years later,
and Renee comes up to me and she squeezes me
and hugs me, and she and I was a Wollman now.
But the last time she saw me, I was in
junior high and she said, I can I have to
tell you how kind you and your mother were to me.
And she lost all of her clients and that's why
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we never went back to her after that, because a
lot of people wouldn't continue to go to her. And
she got into I think retail or something else, and
it made such a difference. And this was before you know,
like maybe you'd hear about this, but that was the
way this was taught to me. It was just this
is Roland now, Renee. It's not for our place to judge.
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And as an atheist in the Bible bold I was
always so judged by these Christians for not being Christian,
and so I think that's why I found so much
community in the gay community. Because also I like fashion,
and I'm very shallow and potentious.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Let me just get that out there.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
We do our note, we do know our fashion, honey.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
And so uh.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
But the same people that would bully me for my
beliefs bullied my gay friends, and so we were able
to just cut through all of that superficial.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Acts like oh God, those people.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
And then we could we could truly be authentic. And
so it's just something that I feel really deeply in
my bones about supporting marginalized groups. And I think that
using your privilege a white woman that you know, you
look and you're like, she Republican, and I could see
how somebody could think that I'm kind of Republican coded
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looking Southern accent. But it's important that we stand up
for everybody, and it brings it back to that universal
human rights and every single group is so worthy.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Of fighting for.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
And I just still think we have so much to
do and I'm so hopeful that the pendulum, you know,
comes back, and maybe we get a woman. You know,
maybe the pendulum swings so far, maybe it is an AOC.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
I would love it. I'm terrified for her if that happens.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Because I'm gonna have PTSD now from women running for president,
like I'm sure you and the rest of the country does.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
But yeah, well, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming
on Wide Open. If for all the people watching and listening.
If you have not tuned in yet two I've had
it podcast, please do yourself a favor. Wherever you get
your podcasts, go check out Jennifer and Pumps. They are
such a good time and I look forward to our
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next dinner date.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I love PJ parties with you. It's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yes, listener, Ashlan and I are not late night party anas.
We like to be casual and it's so we're like
perfect companions. Next time Josh is in town, we'll have
you and Sophia overly have an early dinner PJ party.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Okay, I'm only coming over if I can keep drinking
my wine out of the is it fuck you Trump
mug or.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Bug Donald Trump in rainbow flag?
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yep? So that's that will ever be Yep, Gay pride,
gogays that will forever be my mug at your house,
and you told me I could come and sleep over.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
You called it your Lesbian.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Sweet, the Lesbian Sweet, the Lezie Sweet, the Leszie Sweet.
So they anytime you have to come into the city,
you and Sophia can come to the Leszie Sweet. Pump's
just arrived in town. She's actually the hairdresser right now.
But I've told Pumps for years because she chronically watches Soft.
I'm like, why are you, Why don't you just become
a lesbian?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Just come to the good side, Pumps on Pumps.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Pumps is staying here now. She's in the Lezzie.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
She's in the Leszie Sweet. So I will I will
be in the Leszie Sweet soon for our PJ party
and we'll watch a great movie together.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
That's my ideal night recap. I have to be in
bed by no though. You know that.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, that's the rules for any PJ party, So I agree.
Until next time, It's so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Thanks for joining Jen, Jen Jennifer Gosh. I just I
absolutely love her. I love her.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
I love her, and thank you for going there with
me for the truth, for the humor, the accountability.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
With a side of absolute chaos.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
America may be struggling, but conversations like this remind me
we're not completely doomed, just moderately doomed with a chance
of improvement if we actually start to listen to women
like her. Everyone go check out that I've had a podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Follow Jen.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Support women telling the truth boldly and hilariously, and please
demand better from your leaders.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Thanks for hanging with us. I love you all so much.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Stay informed, stay loud, stay bold, and stay wide open.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
We'll see you next week on another episode not
Hi everyone, and welcome back to another episode of Wide Open.
I am your host, Ashlyn Harris, and I can't wait
for this week's episode and this guest.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Jennifer Welsh.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Well, as you all know, you know, I don't get
too political on my podcast, Wide Open, but I think
right now everything matters, and everything is becoming political. Rights
are being taken, especially in my community, women's rights. We're
rolling back everything, and I think it's important when you
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have a platform to do right by your community and
the people that actually follow you, that you talk about
the things that matter most.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And I know most of you.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Out there are allies of our community or a part
of it. And we had Jasmine Crockett on last week
to kind of just talk to us about the state
of where our government is right now with the shutdown
going on and now it you know, recently being reopened.
To bring in a more culturally relevant podcaster political analysis now,
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Jennifer Welsh, because I find that the way her take
on politics is easily digestible because it's culturally relevant. I
think she is funny. I think she is extremely intelligent.
She knows what she's talking about. There's truth to her voice,
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and she knows how to have a good time, and
I want to bring that voice into this show, you know,
especially now she's a neighbor. She just moved to New
York City, and I you know, I'm getting to spend
a lot of time with her, and I want you
all to be able to listen to what's going on because,
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you know, with the Epstein files being released and the
world is an absolute dumpster fire right now, we need
to figure out how we're going to show up and
how we're going to move forward, how we're going to
hold people accountable, and how we're going to create a
better space moving forward that this never happens again. And
I hope you guys take something out of this podcast
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cast because I find her insanely intelligent with what she's doing,
and she's going viral everywhere for the work she's doing
in politics and how she's choosing to show up for
immigrants and queer people like myself. So enjoy the episode everyone. Okay,
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everyone buckle up, pour a beverage, hide your children, because
Jennifer Welch is here today and we are about to
go there.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
If you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Jenna is a comedic sniper from that I've had a podcast.
She is captain of calling bullshit and one of the
few people who can make you laugh so hard you
forget the country is basically held together by duct.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Tape and denial.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
We talk about her friendship with Pumps, why her humor
hits in a moment where everyone's absolutely exhausted, and what
it looks like to hold power accountable without losing your
mind or your sense of humor. This one's chaotic, honest, hopeful,
and a little dangerous, just the way we like it.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Let's get into it. Welcome Jennifer Welch.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
This week's guest is one of my favorite Jennifer Welch.
Welcome to the show, my friend. It's so good to
see your beautiful, smiling face.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be
on your podcast.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Very excited.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Well, listen, you're my new neighbor and I've already been
over to your chic apartment. Tell me how it feels
to be living in New York City now, Oh.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
My gosh, it's so fabulous because I like people, but
I don't want to have too many prolonged interactions. And
New York City is the perfect city because in the evenings,
I'm like, I kind of want to do something, but
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I really don't want to interact with people.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
But I want to see people.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I want to know that we're on the same planet,
we're the same species. We're living, you know, at this
moment in time. So I get my little French bulldogs
and I get their little harnesses on them, and then
we go out and we walk a couple of miles
every night and it's just electric.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
It's so much fun. I love it.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
And the main thing I love about living here is
nobody gives a shit about anything petty at all. And
I love Oklahoma City, but my god, the pettiness and
the nosiness is so toxic and that just I haven't
experience that here at all.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
I need to know because that's that's quite the whiplash
in my opinion. I mean, I don't know what it's
I mean, I grew up in Florida, so trust me,
I get it. Oklahoma is one of the most conservative
states out there, and you're so progressive and you write
so hard for our people.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
What is that like?
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Like, what has that transition been and why now all
of a sudden in New York By the way you
fit in perfectly. I saw your story. Those little friend
chees had a little new sweater. Some mama went shopping.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
I took the dogs on a shopping spree. Yeah, we
went to this cute little dog clothing store and they
had cute sweaters. I splurged. They were sensations. The owner
of the store was taking photographs of them to put
on Instagram, which my dogs are incredibly photogenic, you guys,
I mean painfully photogenic. Okay, but nonetheless, Okay.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Tell me about this transition.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Oklahoma is a state in total is very conservative, is
very religious, and very proud of that. Oklahoma City is
a city of a million people and it's purple exactly.
Oklahoma City voted exactly the way the whole country did,
which is basically like forty eight forty nine or forty
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eight forty seven. So you have these die hard progressive
people in Oklahoma City that really fight the good fight.
And I would say that red state liberals are just
built different. They're tough because every day you're on the defense.
Every day you see the fuckery and the hypocrisy of
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these maga Christians on full display. You see how cruel
they are. You talk to your gay guy friends. And
you know that grinder is full of a bunch of
these Bible tote and Bible thump and married men that
are triple trumpers with their Ford f one fifty that
happen to have a side hustle as a power bottom
on grinder.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So you see it, right.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
And then you have the people, and these are the
people that piss me off the most in Oklahoma that
they are they've traveled enough and they're sophisticated enough to
know that triple trumping is not cool, and so they
lie about it.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
And that's the worst to me. If you're going to
be a.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Trumper, own it, put it on your truck, put it,
make your the fight, fight fight, make that your profile photo.
Just go all in, lean all in. But a lot
of women in Oklahoma City that I know think that
they are progressive, and they have they'll play pickleball with
some lesbians or they have it. I have other friends,
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they'll take pad, they'll play pickle I had a couple
of ladies in my pickleball group that I just refused
to play with after the last election because we have
a straight women and some lesbians, and these lesbians naturally,
we're so hurt by the last election, like really felt personal.
It felt personal to their marriages, it felt personal to
their life, to their identity. Of course, in these women
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that the tax change, the tax break, whatever, it's not
going to change their life at all. If they pay
ten percent more in taxes, it's going to change their
lives zero percent. But the hypocrisy that they're able to
go and hug this beautiful married couple that do nothing
but bring joy to our lives and kick our ass
on the pick aball court. Because this is anecdotal, but
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I'm here to say that I think lesbians are better
athletes than straight women. But that's just that's just my
own opinion from getting my ass kicked by lesbians on the.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Court all the time.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
But I just saw that and I thought, you know what,
a lot of gay people and queer people in Red
States have had to put their needs and their self
respect on the back burner to assimilate into conservative communities.
And so they're like, it hurts my feelings, but I'm
not going to say anything to them, And I'm like,
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well i am.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
I'm going to hate them for both of us.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
I'm not playing with them. I'm removing them from the
pickleball note, and all the girls knew I'm not playing pickleball.
After the election, I said, I'm not playing with any
of those Trump voting women. I'm not going to allow
them to be a hypocrite to my face.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's what I love, Jen, Like, what I love so
much about you is like you have such elegance but
chaos at the same time, and Southern charm and your
ability to just cut through the bullshit and like own
your voice is so.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Intoxicating to me.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I want more, more, more, I want more of you
all the fucking time.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
And I'm curious, though, when did this start? Has this
always been you?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Has this always been exactly how you move in the world,
or did this like pot you know, your podcast and
everything that you You've become.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So culturally important to people like me.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
Did this come through the podcast or has this always
been part of the.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Way you moved.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I've always been this.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
I love this.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I have always been so. I was raised by atheists
in the Bible Belt, and so that put me on
defense because if you live in the Bible Belt, to
your listeners that have never lived in the South, it's
important that you understand this distinction. Evangelicals are kind of
different than like a Methodist, Presbyterian and Episcopalian evangelicals. Their
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number one goal is to recruit people, and they're constantly
concerned about your soul, telling you you're going to go
to Hell and demons are going to torture you forever,
Jesus is coming back, rapture preppers, banana shit, right, This
isn't Christian light. I have a spiritual thing. This is
crazy town. And so I was always kind of on
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the defense. My mother is a huge thinker and a
voracious learner, voracious reader, and we would always have these
really robust conversations about I don't know, psychology or history
or politics, and I always just kind of had the
gift of the gab. But I will say little non
fact about me in high school my senior year, I
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won state in debate.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Of course you did, Yeah, of course you did.
Speaker 4 (11:16):
So it's always been there.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
I love this because it's not just that like you're
so quick and you're witty and you get it.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
This is what I love.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
The fucking names you have for these idiots makes it
so fun to be a part of. Like I never
thought politics was so fun until I met you, where
did you come up with Kenkel's mctacco tits?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
What do you call them? Baby titties? What the things
you're dropping?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I'm like, oh, actually, she's insanely intelligent, but she's a
comedian now, like what so where did that come from from?
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It just comes out of me, And we don't plan
it ahead, like we have talking points, like we're going
to talk about this, about this, about this, and then
once I get worked up, it's like somebody just wound
me up. And then I go in front of the
microphone and then it just and I forget because we
filmed so much Ashland, I forget half the shit I say,
And so then Kylie will cut it up and she
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puts it on Instagram, right, and then I'm scrolling through
and then that kangles mctaco tits. That's the one where
I'm like, get your fat asses out of the Mexican
restaurant and go to Cracker Bear. Well, it goes vi
role Blox News did like three days wall to wall
coverage on it, right, and I forget that I said it,
And then it just is this moment because I think
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we I'd probably recorded that maybe twenty days before it
went viral, or maybe fifteen days before it went viral.
And then Kylie our darling very talented lesbian producer. She's
such a she's so good at taking what we say
and cutting it up and making it go yel. But
all of that shit, like the little Smoky for jd
Vance because he's the little he here's the smoky eye.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, tell me lay it out for the listeners who
don't know. If you're not listening to the I've Had
It podcast, wake the fuck up, because it literally is
one of the best out there, if not the best,
in my opinion.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Run me through what you like what you.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Say to these political leaders in terms of nicknames. Let's
just call him nicknames. But what are the hot ones
right now? Because I'm I would need the listeners to
hear this.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Okay, So we have for Trump he is It was
Kenkell's Mctaco Tits, but now I just refer to him
as Kanks. Thanks, just Canks and it's so satisfying. And
actually we went and moderated Kamala Harris's book tour in
Los Angeles and I told her on stage that I
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called him Kanks, and she.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Just like whipped her head.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
She goes that there's just something satisfying about it because
it's kind of like skank but canks.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
And then JD.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
Vance his official name is failed Drag Queen, Smoky Eye Sociopath,
and I just refer to him as a little smoky
l I l apostrophe Ted Cruz is the unfuckable Ted Cruise.
Speaker 4 (14:26):
I love this because he just is.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
Horrific and obviously Pumps calls Caroline Lovit Caroline kkk Levitt.
And then there's this billionaire that's always around Trump. His
name is Howard Lutnik, and we call him Howard Nutleck.
But I can't take credit for that. That was somebody
on the Midas.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Touch that did that. That's so good.
Speaker 3 (14:47):
But the thing about these men is they are such dorks. Furthermore,
I've never seen so many men and I have hung out.
I'm an interior designer for twenty five years before I
ever did any podcasting. I have never heard groups of men,
gay or straight, have to talk about their masculinity as
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much as I've had. I've heard this the men in
this administration and the supporters of this administration. And we
just found out recently Ashland, through these Epstein drops that
Donald Trump gave somebody named Bubba a blowjob, and that
apparently Vladimir Putin had the goods on this, either video
or photo. And I can't, for the life of me,
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understand why everybody'sn't talking about this. Twenty four seven through
sixty five. Yeah, I want to talk about Trump blowing
Bubba all day, all day.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
I can start now, I can do this next week.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
We can keep going this topic. We can keep going.
Stay tuned.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
I'll be back in just a moment after this brief
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Speaker 2 (16:01):
I mean, I'm not surprised. Are you surprised?
Speaker 3 (16:05):
No, I'm not, And I'll tell you that when we
started podcasting, we've had some guests on and then sometimes.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
You talk to them as you do.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Sin was a little bit before and a little bit after,
and I had heard some rumblings about Kanks maybe liking
men from some people who have known him for quite
some time. So I'm not surprised. And this is a
very delicate situation, and I want your listeners to understand
where I stand on this. A lot of people in Oklahoma,
a lot of my gay friends in the nineties had
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a really hard time coming out to their families and
it was a really traumatic experience for them. And if
they're living, you know, playing straight or feigning heterosexuality in
front of their families, but then with their friends they
can be who they are authentically are. I would never
want to out that person if they're doing that in
a way that is for their own survival, for their
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own serenity. But these fuckers, these fuckers weaponize Christianity against
your community, and they browbeat the LGBTQ plus people all
day every day, claim that drag queens are dangerous for
children when they're cult leader is Kinkles deep in the
middle of a pedophile ring, given blowjobs to Bubba and
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then apparently doing stuff with underage girls. And then a
lot of the people in the administration, like Moses, Mike
Grinder Johnson, that's what I call the Speaker of the House,
Lindsey lil Sis Graham, Lady Graham, and I think a
little smoky.
Speaker 4 (17:36):
I think these.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
People talk about all of this heterosexuality and family.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
Values during the.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Day and at night they're fetishizing the people that they
are using their faith to weaponize against. And I think
all of those people should be called out because I
think underneath a lot of this stuff is repressed.
Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah shit.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
And you know what else is so fucked that everyone
needs to start talking about is the fact that he
came out yesterday saying fourteen year olds are old enough,
and what is his truth social whatever that is? Fourteen's
are old enough to make their own decisions for any
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type of I'm sorry, that's the president of our country
being like, stop with the Epstein files. Fourteen year olds
are old enough. I'm like, y'all, wake the fuck up.
This is who is representing our country, who's making the
law of the land, who works out of his mouth,
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is saying fourteen year old that's not right, they're old enough.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
But what do we expect? Sick.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
This is a guy who when he was on Howard Stern,
this is not new information. He was on Howard Stern
before he ever descended from the escalator and Howard Stern
asked him.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
What is your age cut off? And he said to twelve.
This is on video.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
He said he would go as young as twelve, but
below twelve was too young. He said that if Ivanka
wasn't his daughter, hit fucker. He said that when he
owned the Miss USA and Miss teen USA, he would
go into the dressing rooms where underage girls were changing
clothes and he could inspect them because he owned the pageant.
So none of this is new. He's an adjudicated rapist
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with Egene Carol and this has always been out there.
And I think the larger question is why does this
have effort get away with this stuff?
Speaker 4 (19:33):
Do you know if anybody, oh no, that.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Gets away with this kind of stuff, nor a person.
What's so disturbing for me is they say, now he
has like thirty five percent, which is way too high approval.
Wit these thirty five percent of Americans celebrate the villain.
They just celebrate this horrific person. And that's so devastating
when you think about it, and the generational impact that
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this is going to have on people that are coming
of age and they've had him as the ambient politician
in the.
Speaker 4 (20:05):
Background of their childhoods yep.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
And the way he's behaved, and then the excuses that
are made for him, the universities that have been over,
the industry, titans that have been over. It's abhorrent what
has happened to our culture. But I do think what
Trump represents is all of the worst things about Americans
brought to like one horrible ZiT head, like it's him.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
It makes me crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
It makes me crazy because I just I'm like, it
doesn't for any normal human with any type of decency.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
It just makes zero sense to me.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
So I have like a hard time grappling with the
idea that someone would ever fucking support him and have children,
have a community, think it's okay not being held accountable.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
The list goes on. But when did so?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I remember Renee, actually Renee Stubs. We were driving to
friends giving a few years back and she was like, you,
let's just listen to this podcast, the I've had it podcast,
so good, so entertaining Pumps, the best, the Best Love Pumps.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
Who's your co hosts?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
How did this even start? I heard you bought all
of your equipment. I heard you funded it got a spot.
When did it really take off? When did it become
heavily political? Because it is such it has so much
success right now, I imagine it's changing both of your lives,
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But like, when did this start?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
How did it start?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
So just like two weeks ago the podcast turned three,
It's only been three years, and so Pumps and I
were on a Bravo show in twenty sixteen to twenty nineteen.
It was called Sweet Home Oklahoma for one season, and
then the next season it was called sweet Home, which
kind of followed my interior design business which Pumps was
on it and it wasn't renewed. We had a ton
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of fun doing it. It was a game changer for
my interior design business because I went from doing projects
in like Oklahoma City, Dallas area to nationwide. And our
children sometimes that I've been friends were over twenty years
and so our kids are really good friends. So her
daughter Emily and my son Dylan, you know, they're always
trolling on Instagram and shit. And they were like, you
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still have so many people that want you to come
back to reality TV or think you should do a podcast.
I'm like, I'm never doing reality TV again. It was fun,
no regrets.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Bravo treated us great.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
It's just exhausting because you just have people following you everywhere.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
And they said you should try a podcast, so I
was like, okay.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
So then I called around for studios in Oklahoma City
and I was like, what am I thinking.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I own my own interior design studio.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I own my own building and it has it downstairs
and upstairs, and I thought, well, I'll just turn the
upstairs into a podcasting studio, so.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I decorated it.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
That was where you see now I'm in New York
in my apartment, but with the blue cowhide wallpaper. And
I bought all the equipment. And we didn't know what
the hell we were doing. And we started, and the
plot of it was I've had it, which is something
my mother has long said forever. She's from Dallas, and
so I'll tell her, like, Mom, you need to do this.
She go, well, I've had it. Yeah, she kind of
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says it like that brilliant.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
And so we first started talking about like toddlers because
they're assholes, and we loved our toddlers, but you know,
they're difficult and.
Speaker 4 (23:40):
Gender revealed parties.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
You know, people that have conversations online instead of you know,
you'll see people that are performative couples online instead of
like just privately texting each other, just stupid grievances that
either people were offenders.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Of they're like, oh my god, you got me, I
do that.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
But it was all in good fun to know me
now or twenty five years ago or thirty years ago
you would know Jennifer's very political. Jennifer's a political junkie. Yeah,
she does in tear design, but she is die hard
into politics. So it can't help but ooze out of
me politics. And when I see injustice, I speak out
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about it. And so, you know, when we first started it,
Joe Biden was president. You know, Kank's was a little
bit around, but it's just like okay, whatever. Well then
it really starts gearing up and he's gearing up, and
so it just it took a.
Speaker 4 (24:31):
Turn to politics.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
And then once we turned there and then now where
we are, I feel like it would be malpracticed to
have a microphone and not.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Speak about this.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think, I just there's so much suffering. When I
think about what's happening to the immigrant population right now,
hardworking people, and how they're being targeted in the racism
towards those communities. I just feel like I would really
be a big miss in my life if I didn't
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use this microphone to talk about those injustices and fight
for the marginalized.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Well, it's really I can imagine because now you're everywhere
you and pumps are everywhere, You're going viral. I imagine
this turn to lean into politics and having such a
massive platform for people to tune in and listen to you,
because that's the hard part right now. Sophia actually just
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moderated the VP's book tour in Toronto yesterday.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
Oh cool, and we like to keep it in the family.
Speaker 1 (25:42):
But that's what she you know, Vice President Harris was saying, like,
there's no truth anywhere. That's the problem is what you know,
Conservatives are being dished in their algorithm versus you know,
progressive people and queer people and people who actually have
a soul. It's just you don't really know where to
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find truth anymore. So it is important that we have
these podcasts because there are people who are getting these
microphones as you're a rogan and saying shit that is
really fucking up the landscape of a lot of our youth,
mostly our youth men, white youth men, males, and it's
really becoming problematic because we're grooming these young boys into
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fucking assholes and it's only going to get more costly.
And I love that you're taking this platform. You're holding
people account you're accountable, you're speaking the fucking truth.
Speaker 2 (26:38):
And now you're going on you know.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
All types of news shows because people value what you're saying. So,
as a democratic person myself, what do you think we're
winning right now?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
What do you think we're losing? And what are we like?
Speaker 1 (26:56):
What part is actually just we're fucking embarrassing because we're
just gonna We don't have to be politically correct, we
can just speak the truth. So I'm curious in your
thoughts because you are so smart and you are so
ingrained in everything right now when it comes to policy
and politics, and people are turning to you for the
truth in a way that they can digest and make
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it enjoyable, which I think you cut through the noise,
which I love. So what do you think we're winning?
What do you think we're losing? And how the fuck
are we just so embarrassing right now?
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Okay, I think we're winning when we run on economic populism.
I think we're winning when we do not throw one
marginalized group under the bus. And there's been a lot
of toying with that with centrist Democrats. The embarrassing part
for me are the centrist Democrats that I call pick
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me democrats, where they will say we just need to
quit talking about trans issues.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
That's why we lost.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
And I just think if you cave and you try
to make everybody like you, and you throw a group
of people under the bus that are getting bullied and
that have very high suicide rates, I think that really
shows how inauthentic you are as a politician and as
a party. And where we're losing right now is democratic leadership.
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And I'm talking about chuckles Shamra, I'm talking about Hakim Jeffreys,
and I'm talking about some other Democrats that like Corey Booker,
that are beholden to APAC corporations. And let me spell
this out for your listeners like this, because I think
this is very important. I think this is going to
be a litmus test. When I talk about Israel, I'm
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not talking about Jewish people, and I'm not going to
be emotionally blackmailed by people that I can't criticize a
country that is governed by a war criminal that has
an international arrest warrant out for his arrest, that funded
Hamas so that he could stay in power. I am
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not going to be told that I can't criticize that.
And if I criticize that, that I'm anti Semitic. That's bullshit,
that's emotional blackmail, and that doesn't help Jewish people, it
doesn't help anybody. And so think about it like this, Ashlyn.
Elon Musk gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars
to get him elected. Right, do you want to know
(29:23):
who else gave Trump three hundred and thirty million dollars?
A pack, A pack in its affiliates gave Trump three
hundred and thirty million dollars. Wouldn't it be disqualifying right now?
If Hakim Jeffries or Corey Booker or any Democratic politician
took money from Elon Musk, they would be kicked down
(29:45):
the river. You'd say, we want you out of our party.
But they take money from a pack. And if you notice,
these are the people that didn't endorse Zoron Mom Donnie,
and they didn't endorse him. From what I can see
is the Democrats that try to play pick me or
what I called controlled opposition. So they're controlled by this
(30:07):
same force that wanted Kinks to win. Why do these
people want Kinks to win? Because Kinks will let them
do war crimes. Kinks will let them do horrible things.
And I think it's important for the Democratic Party and
Zorin did this really beautifully, and I think that we
with microphones need to keep messaging this. Anti Semitism is
(30:29):
linked to Islamophobia, is linked to homophobia, is linked to transphobia,
is linked to sexism, is linked to racism. And we
can say for sure there's been a rise in anti semitism,
but I can also say there's been a rise in Islamophobia.
And I can also say there's been a rise in
misogyny and sexism. You know, just you can't hardly turn
(30:52):
on The New York Times ran an opinion piece that said,
did women ruin the workplace? This is the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
The shit going on there, Jennifer is crazy old right now.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
And so we we can't prioritize anti Semitism is the
only form of bigotry that is important. We have to
make sure they're all the same and not one gets
preferential treatment over the other because they are all connected.
I think this helped keeps Jewish people safe, it helps
keep as long Muslim people safe, women's safe, et cetera.
(31:27):
And so I think we win when we message an
economic populist message plus universal human rights and as it
pertains to Zoron. I think the most embarrassing thing on
the planet is that Chuckles and Hakim, both from New York,
did not endorse him.
Speaker 4 (31:42):
And maybe they're not as liberal as he is. And
that's fine.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
I think they can say, Look, I agree with Zoron
seven out of ten things, but he won. The people
of New York voted for him. He kicked everybody's asks,
and as a Democrat, I'm endorsing him. He's a little
further left than me, but you know what, that's okay.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
That's but they did do it.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Because of this Israel thing. And then you have like
the ADL, the Anti Defamation League that started this Mom
Dammi monitor and this guy that runs the ADL, his
name is, his last name is green Blatt. And it
just amazes me that for the ADL and for Jewish people,
anti semitism from a white rich supremacist named Elon Musk acceptable,
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it's acceptable, they make a carve out for it. But
then criticism of Israel and them killing and starving kids
is somehow anti Semitic, and I just I want to
cut through all of that. And I think the Democrats
need to have moral clarity on that and they need
to lead with that because if they don't, then grifters
(32:46):
like Marjorie Taylor Green are going to come in and
fill the void. And she's a very dangerous bad actor
that's trying to rebrand herself.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
And I call bullshit on well shit, and Jasmine Crockett
said the same fucking thing, like we we can't forget
the core of these fucking people and what they're trying
to do right now. And I'm curious now because we
did have you know what was it about a week
and a half, two weeks ago, Now we swept a
(33:16):
lot of voting, like the Democrats. Do you think people
are waking the fuck up? Do you think people are
seeing now what is at stake, what this has costed us,
and how this is going to take a long fucking
time to fix.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Do you think people get it when you.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Look at those initial reactions from the voting people.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
I do.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
I think when you look at what happened with Kamala
and Trump, the base didn't show up, and now they're
realizing that that apathy or the not voting, you know,
was incredibly problematic. You also have independence that are flipping.
You also have the Latinos for Trump that for some reason,
I guess they didn't see at the RNC the huge
(34:04):
signs that said mass deportations now and maybe thought that
that wasn't going to impact their communities. And so I
do think that there's a mass wake up to this.
I also think, and I think this is really important
for your listeners to understand. I believe that the support
that we all feel from Maga online is manufactured. Look
(34:25):
at all of the people that own all of these
websites that were on Musk, Zuckerberg, Larry Ellison, etc.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
They have bought farms that amplify all this Maga shit.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
And Maga is real and there are real Maga people
out there, and I can tell you from just moving
from Oklahoma to here. And they're fucking crazy for sure,
these Triple Trumpers. But I do believe that there are
far more of us than there are of them, and
I do think that.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It's on its last leg.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
Ye has for a dictator, he has to be the
strong man and he has to emit this strength. And
let's talk about Kink's current physical manifestation. We have bruses
on the hand that he has to cover up with cosmetics, Meanwhile,
he's anti drag. He wears, you know, the makeup, the
(35:19):
lack of blending is getting worse and wild than man.
Boobs are saggier than I've ever seen. The cankles are
out of control. He brags openly about being able to
identify an elephant on a piece of paper and said
he wanted to challenge AOC to a cognitive test. And
just a couple of days ago Ashland, somebody in Air
Force one asked him the MRI that you received, what
(35:43):
was that on your brain? And he said he couldn't remember.
So we've got a dementia ridden cankles Mctaco Tits, who
we refer to as canks, who is a frail senior citizen.
And have you seen that man out of drag? Have
you seen it?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Oh my god, it's painful.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
He really looks like shit shitagap and the orange hair
actually improve and I didn't think that would be possible.
That actually makes him look better. I kind of understand
why he does it.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Now, stay tuned, I'll be back in just a moment
after this brief message from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
So, speaking of.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
Things that have been trending lately, did you hear the
Michelle Obama quote when people keep asking her about, well,
what does it look like for you in politics? Would
you ever run to be, you know, a president or
whatever it is, And she said, listen, y'all aren't ready
for a female president, so miss me with the bullshit
(36:47):
and stop wasting my time, which I love too, because
she cuts through the noise.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
She's not playing around. That woman is extremely.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Smart and she knows exactly the landscape of this country.
And she said it, don't fucking waste my time with
this bullshit. When y'all are ready to have a female president,
we can talk. And I'm curious of what you think
about that, because it has been heartbreaking as a woman,
especially a queer woman, these last two elections. I really thought,
(37:21):
I'm really, Jennifer, I really fucking thought we were gonna
win and we were gonna see this in our lifetime
and we were gonna have a woman leading this country,
and fuck have we fallen short? And now I'm just
I'm curious for what your thoughts are on this.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Are we ready?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Is this fucking country ready for a woman to lead?
Or we're still not even close.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
I have this horrible I hate to be this guy
at the Garden Party Ashland.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
But I have this horrible thought.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
And you remember when Nikki Haley ran in the primary
and she got some good votes, and now she's just quiet.
I think that broad is going to come out, and
I am terrified that the first female president might be
a conservative.
Speaker 2 (38:16):
Oh god, no.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
And I know that's probably just me living in the
Trump era. I think that there's some ways we have to.
Speaker 4 (38:27):
Look at it.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Both Kamala and Hillary ran in the middle, and they
played the pig me Democrat, took corporate donations and they
didn't offer And I voted for both of them, and
I would have been tickled pink. But we have to
be constructive in criticizing what errors our party made. I
think if Kamala would have come out of the gates
(38:49):
and been more critical of Joe Biden and more critical
of his foreign policy. But what made her such a
good vice president would have made her a good isn't it.
She was so disciplined and she was so loyal. I
think if we have a woman that came out and
ran on economic populism, on universal human rights, I think
(39:13):
a woman could win. I do think a woman could
win in this country. I think The problem with the
Democratic Party with Hillary and Kamala was that they were
too centrist. And I think that there's this whole thing
that Democrats play if I'm a centrist and some of
(39:33):
these Republicans are going to vote for me, And I'll
tell you when I knew Kamala was going to lose.
It was when she started trotting around with Liz Cheney.
I told Pumps, I said she's going to lose. She
was like, how could you say that? How could you
say that? And I said nobody. These Republican women are
not going to vote for her because she's walking around
with Liz Cheney. The will their husbands will say, if
(39:55):
you want that new perse, you better vote for Trump
or we're going to be broke, and they will do
exactly what their husbands say, because it's all for these
country club Republicans. And that's what that Liz Cheney thing was.
And I knew if you're trying to get these people
to flip, you're trying to get the wrong people out. Instead,
she should have played through the base. And of course
it's easy to Monday morning quarterback, and she ran an
(40:17):
incredible campaign in one hundred and seven days but we
have to as we move forward, how do we win?
And I mean a pardon me, thinks, okay, let's run
Andy Bursheer, white Christian right out a central casting choir boy.
But then I think, okay, look at what Zoran just did,
and he spoke honestly to people, and.
Speaker 4 (40:40):
He had all the packs.
Speaker 3 (40:42):
All the billionaires spent like I think I read like
ten billionaires spent like twenty four to twenty five million,
and they lost, you know, Andrew Cromo got his ass
beat twice twice. And so then I think, you know what,
let's just have a really robust primary. Maybe it's a one,
but I think the litmus test for the Democratic Party
(41:04):
moving forward is if you take corporate donations, specifically for MAYPAC.
I think the base is not going to be forgiving
no matter what state you're in.
Speaker 2 (41:12):
And it's toxic. I totally agree. And and in your mind,
who would you like to see? Who would you like
to see running this country?
Speaker 1 (41:21):
Like if you could pick anyone, like, who do you
see right now that that have the tools and more importantly,
have the fucking backbone?
Speaker 2 (41:30):
This this we fight fire with fire.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
We're too fucking nice, We're too We're always trying to
play too many fucking sides and.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
We get we get torched in the process.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
I agree with you on that, Yeah, I mean think
about it like this, Ashlynn, when Joe Biden Trumpet already
won and Joe Biden was still in office before they
did the transition, and Joe Biden pardoned his son, and
these Democratic strategists go out on the airwave and they
have stage five meltdowns. I can't believe he pardoned his son.
(42:03):
And I'm like, this is why we fucking lose. Motherfuckers,
We're playing two different games. You're upset that he pardoned
his son. Any parent anywhere would do it because you
have a whack job prancing into the Oval, and he
will try to throw Hunter in jail just to give
his rabid cult like.
Speaker 4 (42:19):
Bass a bone.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And for me, that was one of the more savage
things Joe Biden did, and I wish he would have
done more of that when he was in office. But
I think we have to have just a total fighter.
I really like JB. Pritzker a lot. I like what
Gavin Newsom's doing. He's just he's fighting, he's fighting, he's hot.
(42:45):
I just if somebody will just go fight. Like hell,
Gavin's going to have problems and headwinds with the bass,
with the corporate donations, and if I'm just playing the
tape through, because this last presidency, Trump's second victory has
caused the electorate to become more educated. People are more
(43:06):
political now and they're figuring out why did this happen?
And nobody's really tuning into mainstream media anymore, where you
just get the you know, pundits that feed you. Because
I used to be a really good, obedient MSNBC Democrat
and that's all I did. Now I'm way way further
to the left, and that's happened to all of us.
(43:26):
And so he's going to have problems, you know. I
just I don't know who it's going to be yet,
and I think we need to have a really robust
UH primary and see let them beat up on each other.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
I mean, let's you know, and it's.
Speaker 2 (43:43):
Going to step up.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
I want I want competitors. I do too, I want
like and I think that's Jennifer. I think that's also
the issue is we don't know. I want to fucking know.
I want to know who's going in there blazing hot,
rolling up their fucking sleeves, ready to go to battle for.
Speaker 2 (44:04):
Everyone. It doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
We have to cater to making everyone's life better. And
I want to know who that person is, and I
worry that it might be a little difficult. So people
need to start rising to the occasion because so much
is on the line right now.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
You know who's darling that we had on the podcast,
and you've got to go follow him.
Speaker 4 (44:28):
Actually do this, you guys, go to your TikTok.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
And enter Wesmore whistle dance and he is the governor
of Maryland.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
And he is.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
As good licking as i'll get out, smart, compassionate, and
he's a great dancer. And I just remember back in seven,
everybody thought Hillary was going to be the candidate moving
into eight and this young, attractive, well spoken, smart man,
brock Hussein Obama ends up capturing the entire Democratic Party and.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
It was incredible.
Speaker 3 (45:04):
It was incredible, And so I think that something like
that could happen here. But I'll tell you this, much
as much as I dislike corporate Democrats right now, I
would crawl through ten feet of concrete to vote for
one over a MAGA, because I know what a difference
(45:26):
even a corporate centrist democratic politician makes in states like mine,
where women that are raped have to have their rapist baby,
which disproportionately affects poor people, where queer kids are just
bullied by the government, by their churches, by their parents,
by the schools.
Speaker 4 (45:42):
It's just horrific.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
The suicide rates are through the roof.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
And that's the worst part is the numbers don't lie,
and they still keep driving this narrative. And young kids
are taking their life, their lives every fucking minute, every day,
every second, and they still keep going on and on
and on threatening our youth. It makes no sense to me,
(46:13):
Like we were talking about fucking children, and I'm not
saying fifteen year old children, some as young as eleven
years old. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 3 (46:25):
I have some friends in Oklahoma and then I'll get
your question, really good friends of mine, and they have
a trans daughter and they have completely outlawed trans care
in the state of Oklahoma, and so she has to
now move her family to California because the suicide rate
is so high amongst you know, trans youth. And it's
(46:49):
just the way she's treated, not only by the government,
by the other people in Oklahoma, other parents. It's really abhorrent.
And all of these people are huge Christians and advertise
their Christianity and then they just show no compassion or
empathy or acceptance or comfort to this wonderful family, and
(47:12):
it's just it's really just such a sad scenario for me.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
It really is, like, it's just it's been really heartbreaking
to be a part of the community and to see
what length these fucking awful humans are willing to go.
And you know, that's why we keep fighting, and that's
why we roll up our sleeves and we keep talking
about it and we do our part and serve our
(47:41):
people in our community, whether they look like you, whatever.
The fucking case is just showing up for people's dignity.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
We have totally lost sight of that.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
And sorry, the question I wanted to round everything up is,
you know, I appreciate what you do. I appreciate because
I know it's not easy getting political, especially at this state,
and the risk that comes with it, and you know
it brings in a lot of hate and a lot
of eyeballs and you're choosing that every day, which I respect.
(48:16):
And you stand up for the LGBTQ plus community even
though you know, you're a straight white woman, and you
have this incredible family, these beautiful kids, and you understand
the levity and the importance of fighting for people like
me and my community. And I'm grateful for that, and
(48:37):
I want you to hear from me thank you, because
I know it's not easy.
Speaker 4 (48:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
You know it's I'll tell you where that comes from.
First of all, my mother. She always was so accepting
of people. And when I was in the eighties, my
mother would take me to the mall it's called Crossroads
Mall in Oklahoma City, and we would go get perms
with big bangs and all that stuff. And we had
a hairdresser named Roland just as gay as I'll get
(49:04):
out right, and my mother just loved him. And then
one day my mother picks me up from school and
she said, Darling, we're going to go see Roland, but
I have an announcement to make She's real dramatic my mother.
Speaker 4 (49:17):
And I said, well, what is it?
Speaker 3 (49:18):
And she said, well, Roland is now Renee and you
need to make sure you call him her. She is
transitioning and we just need to make sure we're accepting
in kind. I was twelve, Okay, So this is the
first time I ever heard about somebody being trans. I
didn't even know if that was the word. But it
(49:39):
wasn't a surprise to me because Roland presented very female
and then definitely Renee seemed much more authentic to who
this person is now. And so years later I was
out at the gay bar because I always had all
these gay guy friends, and we were out dancing and
(50:00):
I see Renee and this is probably fifteen years later,
and Renee comes up to me and she squeezes me
and hugs me, and she and I was a Wollman now.
But the last time she saw me, I was in
junior high and she said, I can I have to
tell you how kind you and your mother were to me.
And she lost all of her clients and that's why
(50:21):
we never went back to her after that, because a
lot of people wouldn't continue to go to her. And
she got into I think retail or something else, and
it made such a difference. And this was before you know,
like maybe you'd hear about this, but that was the
way this was taught to me. It was just this
is Roland now, Renee. It's not for our place to judge.
(50:45):
And as an atheist in the Bible bold I was
always so judged by these Christians for not being Christian,
and so I think that's why I found so much
community in the gay community. Because also I like fashion,
and I'm very shallow and potentious.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Let me just get that out there.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
We do our note, we do know our fashion, honey.
Speaker 4 (51:05):
And so uh.
Speaker 3 (51:07):
But the same people that would bully me for my
beliefs bullied my gay friends, and so we were able
to just cut through all of that superficial.
Speaker 4 (51:19):
Acts like oh God, those people.
Speaker 3 (51:22):
And then we could we could truly be authentic. And
so it's just something that I feel really deeply in
my bones about supporting marginalized groups. And I think that
using your privilege a white woman that you know, you
look and you're like, she Republican, and I could see
how somebody could think that I'm kind of Republican coded
(51:43):
looking Southern accent. But it's important that we stand up
for everybody, and it brings it back to that universal
human rights and every single group is so worthy.
Speaker 4 (51:56):
Of fighting for.
Speaker 3 (51:58):
And I just still think we have so much to
do and I'm so hopeful that the pendulum, you know,
comes back, and maybe we get a woman. You know,
maybe the pendulum swings so far, maybe it is an AOC.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
I would love it. I'm terrified for her if that happens.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
Because I'm gonna have PTSD now from women running for president,
like I'm sure you and the rest of the country does.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
But yeah, well, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming
on Wide Open. If for all the people watching and listening.
If you have not tuned in yet two I've had
it podcast, please do yourself a favor. Wherever you get
your podcasts, go check out Jennifer and Pumps. They are
such a good time and I look forward to our
(52:41):
next dinner date.
Speaker 2 (52:42):
I love PJ parties with you. It's my favorite.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yes, listener, Ashlan and I are not late night party anas.
We like to be casual and it's so we're like
perfect companions. Next time Josh is in town, we'll have
you and Sophia overly have an early dinner PJ party.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
Okay, I'm only coming over if I can keep drinking
my wine out of the is it fuck you Trump
mug or.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Bug Donald Trump in rainbow flag?
Speaker 1 (53:11):
Yep? So that's that will ever be Yep, Gay pride,
gogays that will forever be my mug at your house,
and you told me I could come and sleep over.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
You called it your Lesbian.
Speaker 3 (53:22):
Sweet, the Lesbian Sweet, the Lezie Sweet, the Leszie Sweet.
So they anytime you have to come into the city,
you and Sophia can come to the Leszie Sweet. Pump's
just arrived in town. She's actually the hairdresser right now.
But I've told Pumps for years because she chronically watches Soft.
I'm like, why are you, Why don't you just become
a lesbian?
Speaker 2 (53:43):
Just come to the good side, Pumps on Pumps.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Pumps is staying here now. She's in the Lezzie.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
She's in the Leszie Sweet. So I will I will
be in the Leszie Sweet soon for our PJ party
and we'll watch a great movie together.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
That's my ideal night recap. I have to be in
bed by no though. You know that.
Speaker 1 (54:01):
Yeah, that's the rules for any PJ party, So I agree.
Until next time, It's so good to see you.
Speaker 2 (54:08):
Thanks for joining Jen, Jen Jennifer Gosh. I just I
absolutely love her. I love her.
Speaker 1 (54:16):
I love her, and thank you for going there with
me for the truth, for the humor, the accountability.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
With a side of absolute chaos.
Speaker 1 (54:25):
America may be struggling, but conversations like this remind me
we're not completely doomed, just moderately doomed with a chance
of improvement if we actually start to listen to women
like her. Everyone go check out that I've had a podcast.
Speaker 2 (54:42):
Follow Jen.
Speaker 1 (54:43):
Support women telling the truth boldly and hilariously, and please
demand better from your leaders.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Thanks for hanging with us. I love you all so much.
Speaker 1 (54:53):
Stay informed, stay loud, stay bold, and stay wide open.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
We'll see you next week on another episode not
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