It's All About Legs with Jockular's ER Fightmaster and Tien Tran

Jockular is the militant feminist, horny, sports nerd podcast led by ER Fightmaster, Tien Tran, and Katie Kershaw. ER and Tien join Ashlyn to talk about which sport produces the best thighs, how seeing women's sports is helping young women understand themselves better, and together they imagine what the gay Olympics would be like. Plus, how can queer women help support queer men in sports. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
So this weekend I turned forty. It was quite the.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
It was. It was a really really.

Speaker 1 (00:09):
Fun, beautiful time. Like I so many people came in
town Sophia through a massive party for me on Saturday.
She rented a warehouse and brought in different like segments,
so you had like a tattooing booth, so someone was
there doing tattoos. Someone was there skating a small little

(00:31):
like pipe, like a little like not as big as
a halfpipe, but like a little fun, bunny like slope
type thing. Then we had airbrushing where you could do
hats and shirts and you know, people were putting everything
in anything under the sun on their apparel. So we
had Samantha Ronson who is djaying, Like we just we

(00:54):
just literally had you know, probably forty to fifty people,
very into, very sweet, all different walks of lives. Both
of our friends came from all over the place to
be there. But like I got to skate at my party.
The theme was Florida, so there was palm trees, there

(01:16):
were gators. I mean, it was it was so much
fun and she had all my favorite food. It was
just so thoughtful and so sweet. I really love, like
I love very slow cooked pork tacos and that like

(01:37):
dipping sauce. That's like just it's was insane. I love
chicken wings.

Speaker 3 (01:43):
Like dry rub charred.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Chicken wings are like one of my favorite. It was
very all over the place.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It was a melting pot and it was exactly me,
Like she nailed it, and yeah, we got, we got,
we got really hype. We fucking had old school jams.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
New school. It was really really sweet.

Speaker 3 (02:04):
I got two birthday tattoos.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
I got this one a chick writing a shark, very Flora.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
We had Florida tattoos. Literally at one point there was
a Publix, which is our grocery store.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
She had a alligator with my baby pictures like standing
on top of it. Here is a cowboy with a
carrying a surfboard, like she just she nailed it. And
then the for my actual birthday, she brought me and
like six of my closest friends to for Charles, which

(02:39):
is my favorite restaurant if you do not know, For
Charles has the absolute best.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Hamburger in New York City.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
So we got hamburgers, We've got French dips, We've got
I mean, we ate so much, but we laughed so much.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
I laughed, I cried.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
I feel so grateful such great people in my life
who showed up, and just like it's such a mirror
at forty. It's such a reflection of the things I've
gone through, the changes I've made, the failures, the success,
the people who still are by my side through it all.

(03:17):
It was I'm just so grateful. I'm so grateful to
be in such a good place in my life.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Like it's really my time.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Like I'm so full of love, and I feel so
gentle and kind, you know, even though I feel like
the world outside is sometimes on fire, I really feel
at peace and I'm just so grateful of the small
little moments that I'm not searching for anything crazy. I'm

(03:47):
just really in my body and really at peace. I
flew home. I got the chance to actually be on
the ground at Red Bull Rampage and Utah, and what
an experience it was for me.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I could not believe.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
How insanely gnarly that competition is, Like it is not
for the faint, the amount of like mental and physical
load that goes into these competitors charging cliffs and mountains
and extreme all terrain, Like it is not for the

(04:28):
week and being able just to be there and experience
the magnitude that they are committing to is quite spectacular.
And unfortunately, several people took really gnarly falls, and you
know a lot of people had to drop out of

(04:49):
the competition because that is how serious it is, and
that's the competition they prepare for every single day, and
it comes it comes with you know, the risk, but wow,
they're really laying the foundation and showing people what is
possible in their sport. And it was a really really
fun community, like the sense of community on that mountain

(05:12):
because it is literally life and death. Everyone's rooting for
each other. Everyone wants the best for each other, everyone
wants safety.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So anytime someone.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Lands like crazy drops or insane double backflips or whatever
the case is, everyone's cheering because they know what it takes.
And I really liked being a part of that type
of community where people are genuinely celebrated and really they're
just like pushing the envelope of where this sport can

(05:45):
actually go. And I love seeing what they're you know,
they're trailblazers. These women and men are trailblazers and what
they're doing and I respect that I think what really
makes women's sports so unique is really this sense of
belonging in community. I think it's a melting pot for safety.

(06:06):
I really think what I love so much about women's
sports is there's no bullshit, like people stand on the
right side of change and inclusivity. And I think, you know,
it's so much bigger than just the sport. It is
a landing zone for the misfits. It's a landing zone

(06:28):
for the queer community or those struggling with isolation or
mental health. Like it's a place where you feel belonging
and safety in those walls. And I think that is
why I love women's sports so much. I get to
perform or I had the privilege to perform in front

(06:48):
of people.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
Who really were pivotal.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
In standing on the right side of change and inclusion,
and to me, that is.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Worth fighting for.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
And that is why people are such hardcore fans because
of that sense of belonging I don't find and it's
the true authentic like people are just authentic. They can
be themselves at their fullest and at their core with
you know, without feeling some sense of shame or loss

(07:25):
or anything.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
That is hateful outside the walls.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Of the stadium. I just think women do a great
job of just building that sense of community through storytelling
and belonging.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
I really love Jocular.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I love their.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Take on the women's sports landscape. You don't have to
have a technical or tactical eye to.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Understand the sport, and I.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Think they do a really, really great job of opening
the door for people who may not be fanned or
may not understand, but gives them permission to be a
part of it without making it overly complicated or not
understanding the technical tactical terms of the game and the sport,

(08:14):
because it is a hard sport to understand. But you
can always be a fan of good storytelling, and Jocular
does such a great job of inviting people in, not
taking themselves too seriously, and really bringing laughter at the
forefront front, which I find right now in this current
landscape we need more than ever.

Speaker 3 (08:35):
All right, well, let's get to it.

Speaker 1 (08:38):
I'm really excited to introduce Er fight Master and t
and Tran.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Today.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
We've got a crew that proves you can be hilarious,
horny and passionate about women's sports all at once. Welcome
to the show, Er, fight Master, Tea and Tran the
legends behind Jocular. They make queer sports commentary feel like
therapy honestly, but it comes with nachos and a sweet
group chat.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
Everyone.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Welcome to this week's episode of Wide Open. I'm your
host Ashlyn Harris.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
Let's give a round of applause to Er Tres.

Speaker 5 (09:25):
Thank you.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Wait, should we update our description for our podcast?

Speaker 5 (09:33):
That nice?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Really nice?

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I'm here, I'm a hype woman. If you didn't know
this about me, okay.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Let me just tell you that.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
But first things first, who is the captain of the chaos?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Who who leads the Jocular locker room?

Speaker 5 (09:48):
I have to know we take turns?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, we really do on the day.

Speaker 6 (09:54):
Yeah, yeah, they're there because you know, we're all we
all have different we all have a bunch of different jobs.
So I think there are days that like we rely
on each other to come in and like, like, there
are days that I've come in and I'm just like,
I swear to God if Katie and Tian like can't
pick it, like can't pick me up today, like I
just won't show up.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
And we've had days also, I think where all of
us come in tired and we're like, oh fuck, And
then it's our producer.

Speaker 4 (10:20):
Are our best episodes?

Speaker 1 (10:22):
That's like really when it just stop starts popping off
the top.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, like wow, we should we should do this more often.

Speaker 7 (10:29):
I think one of our best episodes is we all
ate something that upset our stomachs and we.

Speaker 4 (10:35):
Do you remember that fight? I do remember that, and
that was maybe one of our best episodes.

Speaker 6 (10:40):
I really like the drinking episodes when we get to drink.

Speaker 2 (10:43):
What what are we doing? Where do we go wrong today?

Speaker 6 (10:46):
Dream?

Speaker 5 (10:47):
We should have started with alcohol.

Speaker 6 (10:48):
I know that you're not supposed to say things like that,
but alcohol is positive. The doctors are saying it's good
for you, it helps you live longer, and it makes
you smarter.

Speaker 7 (10:55):
Oh yeah, oh okay, the general surgeon says it's good
for everyone.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Oh I can't.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
I have to like know the story behind how this
podcast Jocular even actually started, because it is fucking brilliant.
It is such a good Do you know what I
love about it? It's it caters to everyone. You do
not have to know exactly the ins and out of sports,

(11:26):
the technical or tactical background. And I find so many
of these new sports podcasts like it's really not for everyone.
But jocular is and I'm curious, like how this started,
why women's sports? Where did that background even come from?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Well?

Speaker 7 (11:49):
Fight and I and Katie started kind of texting each
other maniacally during COVID, like during the march mad like
the Women's March madness, and just like how exciting that was.
And so we just like started ended up like sending
memes to each other, mostly very horny memes, just like

(12:10):
like a like a slow emotion highlight of some athletes thighs,
Like like this is powerful.

Speaker 1 (12:18):
I heard your I heard you're like really into legs.
I've heard I've heard a few different podcasts.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Now you really are.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
I'm a person.

Speaker 6 (12:28):
Yeah freak, I be looking at those.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
Yeah, I like that.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'll be back in just a moment after this brief
message from our sponsors. Wait wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait best sport for thighs you have to tell
me in your opinion?

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Well, I mean I do think soccer is an obvious one.
That's when coming to like rugby as well.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
Yeah, you've been coming to coming.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
I've been coming. I've been coming to enjoy I might
be coming.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
I've been coming to you really feel.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
I have been coming to love rugby because it's like
soccer plus the scrums, and the scrums are just the
thighs on like I mean, it's like turbo charged thighs.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Like it's an incredible experience. It's the thighs that they're
the basketball.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
The basketball girlies have great legs too.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
And the shorts are starting to go.

Speaker 7 (13:29):
They they are up right, they really are.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
So this is why we started the podcast about legs.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
It is we would when we really were we were
all we all have like a good healthy mix.

Speaker 6 (13:45):
And I think you said this in your intro of
like we're super queer and we're also all like.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Pretty militant feminists. And so in like twenty twenty.

Speaker 6 (13:54):
When the bubble started for the WNBA bubble, I think
it was just such a cross of all the things
that Ti and Katie and I happened to be happen
to find important. You know, you have like all of
these conversations happening about racial equality, even stuff like a
paid maternity leave and how we take care of mothers

(14:15):
who are on the court. We're talking about transnis, we're
talking about queerness, We're talking about you know, the right
to equal and fair payment and then you're giving us
like a court full of the most talented women on
the planet, like playing each other so hard in such
a competitive and gorgeous, intense, beautiful way, and they're all
standing up for social justice, and so I think and

(14:37):
then I mean, even like the tunnel fits like there
are just like so many crossovers where you're like, I
don't understand what part of women's sports you couldn't be
excited about, and we are such we're like we drool
over the stuff. So it just made sense to be like,
let's drool in public.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
Oh this is good.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
I like, how but you actually have to have a
lot knowledge to speak on these topics. So where who's
the nerd? Who's the sports nerd here? Who carries the
weight of the sports?

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Like Lingo?

Speaker 7 (15:10):
I think we do. I think we have different specialties.
Like I grew up playing soccer. I love That's like
what I have, which that is what.

Speaker 4 (15:21):
I'm obsessed with.

Speaker 7 (15:23):
And I think Fight loves basketball, and Katie I think
has kind of like a smattering of everything because I
think for our audiences, like we all touch on a
different level of knowledge of the sports, and so like
a lot of our episodes too. We're learning about like
the PWHL for the first time, or like talking about

(15:44):
women's rugby for the first time, and kind of learning
along with our audience. And once we get that going,
I feel like that's the like the easiest way in
I think for sports fans is just like personalities, And
I think you don't need to know like deep hardcore
nerdy shit to be like, oh my god, I love

(16:07):
like Asia Wilson, like you know, Like I think that's
what's so amazing about women's sports is that like you
can appreciate the like wonderful athletic ability and they are
just like amazing personalities, Like these are people who are
like brilliant, smart, like amazing human beings. So like it's

(16:27):
it's such an easy way to get in without having
to be like, well that was a I was just
gonna like.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Make up a basketball play.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Also, like it's really it's beautiful too, because and I
say this so often, like what I love about sports
it's really a melting pot of all different cultures. Like
it sucks because we didn't have this to look at
every week when we were growing up, Like as a kid,

(16:59):
I was watching basketball and skateboarding surfing and wrestling and all,
but it was all men, men, men, men, men men,
and I like, I get to think now, I was
just watching the basketball game with my young daughter, who's biracial.
How fucking cool is it that she gets to watch
TV and see people like her and all different types

(17:19):
like also very queer. Women's sports are very queer. I
feel like I would have had a little bit easier
of a time understanding why I moved in the world
so differently at such an early age if I had
access to like actually seeing people move like me in
the world totally. So, I We're in like such a

(17:41):
cool time where we can talk about humor, we can
talk about queerness, we can talk about sports, and it
literally is sitting in the center of culture, and I
don't think many things have that.

Speaker 5 (17:53):
That's that is so true.

Speaker 6 (17:55):
And I think that like more so than the entertainment
world for me, like sports were where I was seeing
people that I was like, oh, I feel a kindredness
to this this person, Like I remember seeing Abbi wan back,
I remember watching you like I just remember being like, oh,
like inside of the sports world, I'm seeing like these

(18:16):
It's there's actually a little bit more even unintentional like
playfulness with gender there just seems to be like so
much more of a spectrum, and actually, because it's not
being talked about, it feels really normal, you know what
I mean, Like, we all everybody that played on a
sports team, we know that one girl that like would
have absolutely plowed through everyone on the other team and

(18:38):
would shave her head if you asked her to. And
then we all know the one girl that got like
that puts on her nails right after the game and
they're both so athletic, and no one's calling this one
mask and no one's calling this one fem.

Speaker 5 (18:50):
So you're like, in these sports.

Speaker 6 (18:52):
Spaces, you actually get to experience gender without a ton
of the pressure that in the entertainment industry you have
to label it because that's how you're selling package.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Oh so true and really well said. That's I It's interesting.
I didn't think about a lot of these things when
I was playing because I felt so safe, because it
is such an accepting culture to be in, like such
a team sport that you everyone is accepted for all
the different things, and you learn to adapt and move

(19:24):
in spaces you're unfamiliar with, like sometimes my team would
have someone come in and they would pray before games,
and I was like, some days I'd be like, fuck it,
I want to go in there. I want to hear
what the you know? I It was so it was
so pivotal in my life. Lessons of understanding the way
other people show up and why they do, and to

(19:45):
be able to have to have access to that made
me so much more compassionate than Judge. And I think
this fucking landscape is like we're throwing grenades and bombs
at anyone that doesn't move like us or see eye
to eye like us. And I feel like sports was
such an awesome learning lesson for me to be like, oh,

(20:07):
all of these different walks of life have to comment
together and move like a really well oiled machine, and
chemistry is so vital to the success.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yes, is it like that?

Speaker 7 (20:20):
It?

Speaker 2 (20:21):
But is it like that?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
And you know the in your work and the way
you show up? You know, you both are in the
entertainment business. Is it like that when you're on sets?
Is it like that when you're doing stand up? Is
it like or is it just totally fucking different.

Speaker 7 (20:37):
I think it depends on I've experienced both sides, Like
I've experienced, Like what Fight and I have gotten to
cultivate in the comedy world is that I think, and
I don't want to speak for you specifically Fight, but
like when I do stand up, it's it's easier than
ever to like go do a show and everyone is

(20:57):
like queer or like everyone is much more accepting and
you're not You're not hearing like bad terrible like transphobic, homophobic,
open mic jokes or the jokes that like your drunk
uncle makes like at Thanksgiving, that these like hack comics
are doing like there aren't, there aren't. There are spots
now that are to me doing like the most thoughtful comedy,

(21:21):
which I think is the most important type of comedy
that is actually like talking truth to power. And in
terms of sets, I mean it's fifty to fifty. I've
been able to work on like amazing beautiful sets. My
best experiences have been led by women, like female directors

(21:42):
and like female producers, Like hands down, that environment is
always so uplifting and much more understanding and empathetic, like
everyone leads with empathy. And I've also been on sets
where that's.

Speaker 4 (21:57):
Not the case.

Speaker 7 (21:58):
It's like it really is fifty fifty and I feel
like for our industry, it's starting to feel like we're
sliding back a little bit.

Speaker 6 (22:10):
Yes, I think that like a team, I think that protecting.
I think that we're all responsible as a cast on
like an ideal set, we're all responsible for kind of
advocating for other people. Like that's that's the best case scenario,
because like if I work on a TV show and

(22:31):
all of the crew guys are like older, white bearded
dudes that haven't that don't have a lot of queer community,
and they're misrendering me the entire time, Yeah, I don't
want to put myself in like a weird kind of
social position of being the one that corrected them over
and over again. So I rely on the actors with

(22:51):
me to do the same. And in the reverse of that,
if I'm on set with another actor who's explaining to
me that she feels uncomfortable when this person's in the room,
or that they feel like there's like they can't stand
these type of like race based jokes, then it's my
responsibility to intervene in those situations. And I do think

(23:12):
that those are the spots where I felt most comfortable
and excited. Is when though the cast takes responsibility for
each other, and I think that's always a possibility. So
that's that's the that's the world I like to keep imagining.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I like that too, And it's so true because we
all have platforms, we all have microphones in front of
our mouth all the time. And I try this to
say this so often. It like even to the younger players,
Like it really matters what you say because people like
hang on it. They feel that you are their role model,
and like, you got to educate yourself and you've got

(23:48):
to be You've got to want more than just your sport,
Like you have a like sports sit at the center
of culture. When you talk about social justice. How can
you not think about the WNBA. Look, look what Look
what's fucking going on right now? It's so good for me.
I'm like eating popcorn. I'm like keep going like with me, Visa, Yeah,

(24:10):
fucking hold them accountable, hold them accountable, Like, do not
roll over and be grateful for whatever they think you
should be fucking grateful.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
We sued US Soccer.

Speaker 1 (24:20):
That's the first thing they said, you should be grateful
for what you.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Have, and we're like, not, go fuck yourself.

Speaker 6 (24:27):
They love saying that why your boss highly under pain.

Speaker 7 (24:35):
I mean, I think those those two things that you
brought up fight Fight Anne Ashley Love, Like, you know,
advocating for like the most most like precarious or most
vulnerable person or groups of people. It's like it extends
to outside. It's like what we're seeing now, you know,
like with what's going on in our world, Like if
you advocate for the most vulnerable people, it helps everyone.

(24:59):
And and I think teams do that really well when
they like we talked to two Pwjail players and they
really talked about advocating for like their queer and trans
players when they were opening up, like when they were
starting the league. And you can see that reflected in
the entire establishment. And I feel like in this case with.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
The WNBA all, it seems like all of the players
are rallying around with each other because you're starting to see.

Speaker 7 (25:27):
Like, yeah, actually we do have more power together against
these like people who are trying to keep us down.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Well, it's just greed.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
They want they want to keep you know, the players
are building the magic.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
People are tuning in and filling the.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Stadiums because they're absolutely obsessed with these players and to
not pay them for what they're worth. I would be
doing the same thing. I'd be like, no, we're not,
We're not doing this. We're not We're not making We're
not making eighty thousand dollars a year for rookie contract.
When I'll be really honest, I'm a Liberty season ticket

(26:06):
holder and the floor seats are up to like seventy
seven thousand dollars. I'm like, where the fuck is this
money going if you're not going to pay them?

Speaker 4 (26:13):
Wow, seven thousand dollars.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Shoot for two tickets. So me and Sophia have tickets.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
We were paying like, I don't know, let's just say,
like twenty six thousand for two six tickets. And we
were a row back and they were like college tuition.
I got two babies, honey. They were like, you want
four seats seventy seven thousand dollars And I'm like, y'all
have y'all. Yeah, I'll pay it as soon as you
start putting it in the back pocket of the players. Yeah,

(26:43):
and not your greeny ass self. And here we are,
and here and here we are fighting over Caitlin Clark
making eighty thousand. You know, babe, ruth In nineteen thirty
made more than that. Holy please save me with the BS.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
That's a great these fucking women.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Yeah, pay these women what they're worth and it's not
eighty thousand dollars a year.

Speaker 6 (27:07):
You know, And Epheesia is so it like it was
such an interesting thing to do because I think you
know and we know this on the entertainment side of things,
there's actually so many scare tactics that go into keeping
people quiet, like that people in charge of you or
in positions of power, like the things that get said
are like unimaginable, and they are they just believe in

(27:31):
a world in which you will not have the guts
to go and tell on them because they will.

Speaker 5 (27:38):
Ruin your life.

Speaker 6 (27:40):
And like, yeah, yeah, that's scary. And and the physi
Collier understood her worth enough to go try to ruin
my life, bitch.

Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Also, she's like, I've already built a backup plan for
all of these players.

Speaker 2 (27:55):
You don't scare us. We make money now and we're
making it over here, So either you want to.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Fuck with this or we'll just steal the whole thing
and run somewhere else.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Like that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
They can build something themselves, that people will will be
totally down with and a part of Unrivaled has been
insane the success that year one, year one, and imagine
this is going.

Speaker 7 (28:22):
To go and they and they have given their players
a share of like of the revenue and the stock.

Speaker 4 (28:29):
I just like it is totally like workers rights.

Speaker 7 (28:32):
It's like, just like unions are amazing and like coming
together and like giving power to the people who actually
are putting the product out on to the court field.
Whatever industry is, like can be a lesson for every industry.
What NEFISA is doing and what the w NBA players
are doing. Kathy's shaken in her boots.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Honey, she came with receipts, She pulled that paper out.
She was like quote and everyone goes. My mouth was
on the floor.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
I was like, did I just blackout or she just
fucking came with receipts and quotes And I was like, yep,
this is about to get serious amazing.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
And Kenny did come forward and like and you know,
it does always work a little bit on me, like
I can always feel a little tiny bit of empathy
when they're like I have kids, like my kids are
seeing this. Yeah, And then but you didn't have any
fucking empathy for anybody else when you were saying that
ship and now you're asking.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Yeah, and some of these women are getting highly underpaid,
like Ellie the fucking elephant is making more than the players.

Speaker 4 (29:38):
And then you're how much is Ellie making?

Speaker 5 (29:41):
I don't know, but a billion?

Speaker 1 (29:43):
No that makes sense, Like I don't have any like receipts,
but I heard over a half a million dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
Okay, wait, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (29:55):
We got it.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
We need a team. I need a fact check producers.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Producers, Wait a minute, start fact checking half half a
billion dollars in crypto?

Speaker 4 (30:05):
No, we just start making up.

Speaker 7 (30:09):
She's getting paid half a billion dollars in crypto and
she gets to be mayor of New York City.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Wow, all of these perks and end quote. But uh,
moving on from the w n b A because their
hands are going to be full. This is not They're
not going down without any Who's this little party?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
This pretty lot cat.

Speaker 6 (30:30):
This is Clyde And I normally would not bring him
into the frame, but I just if you guys are
hearing like crashing and glass, it's because I'm not giving
him enough attention and he's I'm the same frustrated.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, I'm the same way.

Speaker 5 (30:44):
I get it. That's me.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
I see you, Hi, Katy.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
I hear you. And I'm working, okay, and I'm working.
I'm working to pay for.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Insert in each type of promo to get a deal
for cat food. My next question just to pivot and
move along from the WNBA and keeping it queer because
I love all things queer. What would you say, out
of all the things women's sports, what would be like
your queer awakening? Like what moment in women's sports.

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Were you like, mm hmm. This is for me.

Speaker 7 (31:23):
I mean, I feel like I have such a stereotypical answer,
but it really is my truth. Brandy Chastain, me too.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
Put that shirt.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Off, take that shirt off. I remember just like watching it.
I was watching the World Cup with my parents and
I just remember being like, Okay, that just happened, feeling
these feelings in front of my mom and dad.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
What's going on? And I also had her poster. I
have that poster still.

Speaker 7 (31:52):
It's like her with her shirt off like that, like
the famous Sports Illustrated cover of her like on the ground.
I just remember being like, wow, that's like so powerful,
and like I had just never seen anything like that before.

Speaker 6 (32:10):
Hm.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
That was cool.

Speaker 6 (32:15):
In two thousand, like the early two thousands when everyone
started wearing spanex underneath their basketball shorts.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
And then I don't know where this is going.

Speaker 6 (32:29):
Well, just just seeing it like some like I think
I've talked about this on Jackular, but like so you
know when they get like a defensive position and they'd like,
you know it, they'd be ready to guard and they'd
like yank their shorts up a little bit and you'd
see the spandex and it was like seeing like stockings.
Like it was just like I felt like I was

(32:49):
like seeing like gorgeous like French prostitutes. But it was
like all just all my my friends in basketball shorts
with spandex underneath.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
So yeah, I'm and I turns out I'm still gay.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 7 (33:02):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Crazy weird.

Speaker 4 (33:04):
Yeah, stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
I'll be back in just a moment.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
After this brief message from our sponsors, I will say
after the Brandy chasting thing, I was walking around shirtless
for too long.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I don't know how long, but too long.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Everyone was like we get it, And now I'm thinking back,
I'm like I didn't know if I wanted to be
her or like fuck her, like I don't know what
was going on.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Every time I see her, I'm just like, yeah, I
was like walking around, I was shirtless, and I'm like
yeah yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
And now I think back and I'm like, are you
fucking good? Something was clearly not clocking for you, Like
you had every sign in front of you and you
were still trying to be straight.

Speaker 5 (33:50):
But did you come around on it? Because I think
actually the.

Speaker 6 (33:55):
Truth of like young queerness is I don't know if
I want to be her, if I want to kiss her,
And then once you're like an older queer, you're like, no,
I want to be I want to be them or
or I want to and it's rarely for me.

Speaker 5 (34:07):
Ever the same.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Yeah, that's that's fair.

Speaker 1 (34:11):
I mean I'm yeah, I still have a heavy, like
pretty heavy crush there good crime.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah. I would have loved to be in that pit.
Everyone just like.

Speaker 7 (34:22):
Yeah talking about yeah, I talk about like I talked about,
like oh that the moment where like all your hot
friends run.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Over, sweaty hair blowing, and they're like taking you up and.

Speaker 7 (34:37):
Like you've done it, You've done Honestly, it's maybe.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
What's that someone help.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Oh yeah, what the hell is that that TikTok.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
The like yes sports SlowMo song like.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
As I'm moving shirtless God.

Speaker 7 (35:03):
Yeah, maybe it's less that like it was her, but
maybe it was the moment where everyone runs towards her.
I definitely was like, yeah, that's that's a dreaming.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
This whole conversation is just queer and gayness right now,
and I'm not going off of the topic.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I hope we're ready.

Speaker 5 (35:19):
What else is there?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
I don't know what else to do. Let's let's strap
on and.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Promo here, just selling all of the good causes for
the ladies.

Speaker 7 (35:35):
So Nike Skims put out a strap on seriously, something
to work with.

Speaker 4 (35:41):
Sorry, Kim Kim k just do her just we're writing
it already.

Speaker 5 (35:49):
Yeah, we're giving this to them.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
We can't know where. This is not for free.

Speaker 5 (35:54):
This is not copyright.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
No, you're right, yeah, this is not for free.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
So so now after this podcast, we are going to
start our own brand for our own lesbian.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Chic, queer sexual athletic.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Or what we got to think of a name. We've
got to really because Nike will come after us. So
this is our next.

Speaker 2 (36:21):
And you are too quick.

Speaker 6 (36:25):
Trademark, trademark, trade mark mark trademark.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Producers, get on it. Wow, Okay, the tagline is so epic.
I'm serious, we're making this happen. Why wouldn't we are?

Speaker 5 (36:38):
Should it should just be.

Speaker 4 (36:41):
Yeah, that's Nike. Just do.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
I really think we just like, can we do this
every week? Really?

Speaker 5 (36:51):
Like this is at least.

Speaker 7 (36:56):
Entrepreneurial think tank and we're just coming up with is
left and right.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I think we should be on Shark Week, Shark Week,
not Shark Week Shark Tank.

Speaker 7 (37:08):
No, I want to Actually, I actually wanted to be
Shark Week.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
Hunting the blood. Oh my god, fucking mess. See see
where see where we're going there? We don't.

Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yes, but I only want a deal from Lorie if
we're if we're on Shark Tank, I only want to okay.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
Oh oh yes, oh yes, I love I love Lori.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
She's so beautiful and short hair, right, yes, no, no,
I think if I'm if I'm thinking right.

Speaker 6 (37:34):
Laurie is the one that does QBC like so she's
got like the ponytail.

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Oh yeah, and there's no there. Barbara is the short
haired one that you're Barbara?

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Yes, yes, I love Barbara too.

Speaker 6 (37:47):
I want I want the QVC woman with a ponytail,
because there was just a whole episode. I watched a
guy like wasn't really listening to her looking at her,
and she just went, I'm out your disrespect, you're a
missogy I'm out.

Speaker 7 (38:00):
And he was like, wait, what did I What did
I do? And she's like, you know what you did?

Speaker 5 (38:04):
Yeah? I love her. Oh my god, she's watching this.
I love you, And she's probably watching this.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
Well, she'd better be.

Speaker 7 (38:10):
And now he's already in for she's already in for
fifty on dyke.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
Dykey literally is the most epic thing I've ever heard. Okay,
back to sports geeesus, Okay, serious question though.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
If women's sports had the Gay.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Olympics, what would be the main events in your opinion? Like,
what are we doing. We're going to start a league. Two,
we're gonna start a brand. We're gonna start this.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Whole queer gay league. We're taking over you know what.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
We've had enough, you guys, You've had plenty of shit
for you, and now it's time for us.

Speaker 7 (38:50):
I think one of the Olympic events would be being
friends with your ex.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
And I'm not there yet, so I have no context.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
I'm not there yet either. I'm not there yet either.

Speaker 7 (39:02):
I'm just saying I think maybe i'll not I'm not
there either, but I'm just saying someone would run for
that sounds like luxury.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I'm quite on the very opposite of the spectrum here.
I want.

Speaker 6 (39:15):
I want one that's like kind of like similar to archery,
but it's like weaponized therapy speech. They speaker, so it's
just like you have to like carve in like a
therapy term or like, no, there's like a topic and
it's someone being like, hey, I actually really didn't like
it when you said that mean thing to me, And
then a bunch of like really like sassity lesbians have

(39:37):
to just like carve like, well, I didn't like it
when you didn't like it because it made me feel
like you were projecting a negative meaning of my emotions
onto my actions. And then they fire an arrow into
the heart of the person that said their feelings were hurt.

Speaker 2 (39:53):
I mean, have you thought of this before or this
is just off the cuff.

Speaker 5 (39:56):
I think you can tell this is off the cuff.

Speaker 7 (39:58):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know if we've ever thought. I
feel like maybe another Olympic event could be walking through
Dyke Day without running into any ghosts.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
Oh god, oh god, I can't even go anymore. I
can't even go anymore.

Speaker 6 (40:13):
And everyone's sitting on a fucking picnic, so you're just
like standing walking past, like.

Speaker 7 (40:18):
No, it's really there's nothing worse than like running into
someone on dyke Day that you didn't want.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
To run into, but you have to look up at them.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
From the Oh my god, yes, and you're just like.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
Cross looking up.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
You're like, hi's so good to see you.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
Wait, wait, who would be the main sponsors because we
have to be selective.

Speaker 5 (40:45):
Like obviously Blessa.

Speaker 6 (40:51):
The sext to my group obviously that they have like
the most like immaculate like they ever presence online. I think,
so they're gonna be God.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Who else? Maybe like Penguin the book publishing company.

Speaker 4 (41:05):
Okay, yeah, that's really nice.

Speaker 7 (41:08):
Maybe Merriam Webster just yeah, just get the dictionary in there.
They had a really funny ad recently. Obviously the Nerdy
Side coming out.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
I love.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
Obviously obviously Subaru.

Speaker 5 (41:28):
Oh god.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
With question, I feel like we're not thinking of like
an art branding company. There has to be something that
like a company that makes paints.

Speaker 7 (41:39):
Yes, yeah, yeah, and I think we I feel like
we lesbians always get made fun of for home Depot,
but Lows is actually a better to have to Low's
is actually a much better, more progressive of the home
improvement companies.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
Especially power Tools.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
And don't even get me started.

Speaker 6 (42:03):
I went to a home depot in Vancouver and they
didn't even have fucking lumber? And did and did I
call ahead of time and ask about their like two
by four selection I did? Did they say they had them? Yes?

Speaker 5 (42:19):
Did I show up there's no lumber at all? Yes,
abusers Low's it is yes.

Speaker 2 (42:25):
Fuck.

Speaker 7 (42:25):
I can't Okay, I know, I know National parks don't
do sponsorships, but we could get like Joshua Tree to
back us, you know, or like Zion.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
We can get one of the national parks.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Well, I know, I was.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
I really thought you were about to go to about
Disney because so many queer people love Disney and all.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
But after that last ordeal, I'm like.

Speaker 6 (42:45):
M no, no, I think Disney's gonna.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
Disney really Disney really, Yeah, Disney's tough.

Speaker 7 (42:55):
I had a friend once say that I had Disney
energy and it was the meanest thing.

Speaker 5 (43:01):
I hope you cut that person out.

Speaker 2 (43:03):
No, I went.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
The Black Eye.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Y'all are abusive over there.

Speaker 5 (43:11):
Let me tell you we're rough and tumble.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
To the.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh my god, Well, what queer icons would you draft
in your fantasy sports league? Like, not for talent, just
totally for vibes.

Speaker 4 (43:25):
Okay, how many people are we talking?

Speaker 6 (43:27):
Like?

Speaker 4 (43:27):
What sport are we talking about?

Speaker 7 (43:28):
Because I feel like I would have different Oh we
want to go sport?

Speaker 5 (43:31):
Okay, wait a minute, I'm saying straight up right away.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
I want okay, so here we go.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
I want Sue Bird in there. I love.

Speaker 4 (43:40):
Okay, yes, and I.

Speaker 5 (43:43):
Just like the cool factor unlimited. I'm getting sued vibes.

Speaker 7 (43:47):
I'm going Sally Ride from the JAZ That documentary was
amazing and she's she's been to space.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
Okay, she's been to space. We got a space girly Okay,
but did you cry in it?

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Why was it crying so much?

Speaker 7 (44:03):
I was just like, you're seeing this person who got
to live their life but didn't get to live it
out loud?

Speaker 4 (44:08):
Yeah, like you have you?

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Did you watch this?

Speaker 3 (44:11):
No talk about like it'll like really.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
It'll really bring.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
You to Yes, that's really okay, it's yeah. And for
all of you out there, if you haven't watched it,
do yourself a favor, because I know all of our
listeners are mostly queru gay anyways, and you.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Really need to watch this because WHOA. I saw it.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
I think it was at the film Festival in Tell
Your Ride, and I was like, I didn't want anyone
to see me.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
I was like, I'm like I was.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
I think I was ugly crying at one point, like
I couldn't catch my breath totally when they were like
dancing and it was like the last moments, and I
was like, I am not ready for this type of shit.

Speaker 4 (44:50):
No, you were like, send me to space. I don't
want anyone to see me.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
But also like I'm like a big fun fact about
myself which most people maybe know but maybe not. I
grew up like I was born in Cape Canaveral Hospital.
My area code is three to two one. My I
lived next to Kennedy Space Center. My town was called
Satellite Beach. My high school was Satellite High School with

(45:15):
like the space shuttle and the astronaut.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, that's very cool.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
I went to our like class.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
I had to like walk outside and we would stand
in a line and we'd watch every shuttle. Wow.

Speaker 4 (45:31):
That's really cool.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
It's like the probably the coolest thing about me. Truthfully,
that's all I got.

Speaker 7 (45:38):
It's really literally, that's not true, not true, that's true.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yes, but I told Sophia that story and she's safe.
She's a space baby, and like the rest was history.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Like that was all I had to say.

Speaker 1 (45:54):
And then she was like, you're my space baby.

Speaker 5 (45:57):
You know what, that would be a good one. What
about what about the ability?

Speaker 6 (46:02):
So if we're going to the Olympics real quick, if
we're going back to the game, we're going back, you
have fifteen minutes to hyper connect with a stranger.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
You have I'm just saying, is this like ultimate empathy?
Like how quickly can you get into a.

Speaker 6 (46:21):
D how and how are you're even going straight to
best friendship or you're going to falling in love? And
if the person and this is the person is kind
of like a judge after reds will be like, I
don't know, I didn't feel like super connected to You're out,
you're fucking disqualified. But if they're like I don't know, yeah,
Like I was dating my boyfriend Mark, who's like he's
lost have a boyfriend more of a brother. When when
Julia started talking about her interest in salamanders. I just

(46:44):
was like, wait, I love salamanders, and Mark faded from
my memory.

Speaker 5 (46:48):
Okay, that's the gold meal. That's a gold medal.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
You're also an actor and talk into these puckets like,
look are you just doing?

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Who am I talking to?

Speaker 4 (46:58):
I think I think you just created Love is Blind?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Seriously right there, I'm on.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
This season's fucked up.

Speaker 4 (47:08):
I can't even watch it.

Speaker 5 (47:10):
That's a little too much.

Speaker 6 (47:12):
They're all talking about traditional gender norms. It's a little
strange this time around.

Speaker 1 (47:17):
So the next thing we need to do is create
a reality show about women's sports.

Speaker 4 (47:25):
God, I would watch the hell out of.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
That, right, and it's like it's really needed.

Speaker 5 (47:31):
Yeah, yeah, I just want to see more behind the
scenes period.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
Behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Yes, do you think everyone is sleeping together attracted to
I mean, it's like confusing, it is, right.

Speaker 6 (47:44):
We know that they're sleeping together. What else you would
possibly be doing? I mean if they're taking.

Speaker 7 (47:50):
Their best Yeah, strange, Yeah, that would like it'd be
a lack of judgment to not sleep with your teammate.

Speaker 1 (48:00):
Yeah, I mean talk about chemistry until until it doesn't
work out. When we have like really toxic situation going.

Speaker 6 (48:09):
And of course everyone says like you never should have
dated your teammate, But in the beginning, everyone's like, oo
want this.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
Time, obviously you should date your teammate.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Yes, oh that's a lot of presson I know.

Speaker 7 (48:21):
Yeah, And I would watch every single second of it.
Could you do you do either of you watch the
like HBO, Hard Knocks NFL. Could you imagine if they
fell in love? That's what I would watch that I
watch that if they were dating each other.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Stay tuned.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
I'll be back in just a moment after this brief
message from our sponsors.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I have a.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Really, really hard time with men's sports sometimes, especially listening
to them and how they I'm like, first off, half
of you are gay or queer, and yes you know
just enough, Like I'm actually I'm gonna get serious for
a second.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
When doesn't happen very often with us, Like what do
you think we could do.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
To help change the landscape of more? I mean, statistically,
we clearly know. And if you've been around any male athletes,
very feminine, very queer, they are in there they are quiet.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Like what do you think it is?

Speaker 5 (49:21):
Like?

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Why are we so? Is it just because they don't
feel safe. Is it toxic masculinity? Like, yeah, what do
we what.

Speaker 2 (49:28):
Do we do?

Speaker 4 (49:29):
I think it's toxic masculinity.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Yeah, it's a it's a deep rooted, hated hatred of women.
It's a deeper hatred of the feminine. Yeah, because they're
all still they're all still. I mean it's like the Republicans, right,
Like we know that like grinder shuts down after every
RNC because.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
They're yes, so much increased usage.

Speaker 6 (49:49):
And then of course this is the party of like
hate speech against the queer community that they claim to serve.
And I think that when you when you look at like,
of course, we're also getting fans in the men's sports
space that are like, are so actively in the comments
talking about how much they hate women's sports, and you're like, okay,
same thing with the Republicans talking about these like gender

(50:10):
roles in which the women are our slaves inside of
their own homes. All of this is coming from a
fear of the feminine inside of themselves because they've degraded
the feminine outwardly so much, and so if they are
if they perceive themselves as feminine, then they they I mean,
they have to live in the world in which they've created,
which feminine is bad. And so a lot of the

(50:31):
even way that they talk about like queerness, I think
inside of that community is jokes. Like it's like kind
of all of these hyper aggressive jokes about queerness. So
it's like evening even when they're thinking about it, they're
coming from a place of violence. So I don't know
that I think that there's going to be any change
in that direction, especially because every out player that we've had,

(50:54):
like you know, there was that player in the whatever
soccer league that just came out and he was a
meeting traded excuse me, not traded, he was let go.
We had that same thing with Carl Nasiv was it
an assib I think who was the first player in
the NFL to come out and then was released, And
so I think.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
That's happened multiple times.

Speaker 7 (51:15):
Yeah, they're come out after they've already left the league.

Speaker 6 (51:19):
These fuckers are hooking up with each other, and there
they are right to understand that they are not remotely
ever going to be in a safe enough place to
come out as long as we live in a patriarchy
that hates women.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
Yeah, that part er over here dropping dimes on us
and we it's but I don't even know how to
fix it because it's just it's a system that's so
deeply rooted. It's like, you know, unless like a bunch
of people come out at once, which I heard at
one point rumors were surfacing that like a bunch of

(51:55):
NFL not a bunch, but a handful of players were
going to come out and kind of like be a
packed and do it together. And never heard anything from that.
And I also heard Taylor Swift at one point was
going to do it and look here we are. We're
you know, we're engaged in writing songs about woods.

Speaker 4 (52:15):
Yeah, I think is very gay behavior, very.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
Gay magic way.

Speaker 7 (52:21):
Yeah, that's what I was doing in high school. I
was talking too too much about wood and magic wands.

Speaker 5 (52:28):
But I'm but I'm not gonna. I don't. I don't
want to do that to the queer community right now.
I don't want to know because because I think that
the lyric like I'm not a bad bitch and this
is in savage is the straightest thing I've ever heard.
Like there's no part of me that was like that that.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I was like, no, no, no, she's violently straight.

Speaker 7 (52:50):
But I don't saying the song about the penis is like, okay,
too much.

Speaker 4 (52:55):
It is very gay.

Speaker 5 (52:56):
I would say it was. I would say it's virginal.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
Okay, that's there was.

Speaker 6 (53:00):
Something about it that was like bonus in the morning,
they get hard boners in the evening.

Speaker 5 (53:07):
Yes, they are like.

Speaker 1 (53:08):
Okay, it worries me, you know, every like you know
a little too much listening.

Speaker 5 (53:13):
To I did make those lyrics up.

Speaker 6 (53:15):
And I feel like you're gonna get sued by Taylor
Swift for thinking that those were ye.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Because I'm like, wait, do you really know the fucking lyrics?

Speaker 6 (53:22):
I just listened to the whole I love listening to
whole albums when they come out.

Speaker 5 (53:27):
I did the same.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Or do you love Taylor Swift?

Speaker 6 (53:29):
I love Taylor Swift, I love Taylor's Yeah, I've got
no ill will towards Taylor Swift.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
I love.

Speaker 6 (53:34):
I think, you know, it's awesome that that women like
Taylor and Beyonce are at the absolute aphex of what
it means to be like a musician in power. I
think that, like still, that's important for specifically women to
see in a world that's not catered to women being Yes, billionaires,
so I you know, but I listened to. When I'm

(53:55):
on tour, especially, we'll just sit and listen to whatever
albums that come out. That They did the same thing
with Charlie x X, like it's fun to listen to
the full albums and then you really kind of get
whatever picture of the artist is telling.

Speaker 5 (54:07):
And this was an interesting one.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
It was just like you you create her, baby, You are.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Such an artist that core.

Speaker 6 (54:16):
You know what she articulated the I will say this
for her very strong, that she articulated exactly the message
that she wanted to and that if if that's the
goal of art, then she made good art.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
I love that period.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
M we have an opinion either way.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I know, I'm like, not fusty. I'm like, I'm like
a mom of two toddlers. I like, I don't have
time to listen to music. I don't have to have
time to watch movies or TV. I'm like, if it's
not sports, my kids are like, yeah, it's what is
the new one?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Demon Hunters?

Speaker 4 (54:52):
My four year old.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Is like, Mom, I want to braid for good.

Speaker 6 (54:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
I'm like, I only know the soccer braid. I don't
know the fucking French thing that starts here. And I'm
like you're getting a slick pony and then you're getting
the sports braid. Okay, you knew that, that's it.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
I know what you mean.

Speaker 7 (55:14):
The front, You're like, I'm braiding the hair that is
hanging away from the head. I'm not integrating the head,
the hair that's connected to your head up here, like
I got on.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Swear to god, I got on.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
I think it was TikTok, and I put in the
search like Demon Hunter's braid, and I'm like seeing all
these moms and I looked at it was so fucking complicated.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
I was like, Nope, not gonna happen YouTube. Nope, not
gonna I.

Speaker 6 (55:39):
Was startled by that movie because I don't think it
was clear enough to the children that I was watching
you with that the demon man is bad and the
man is a demon. He says point blank. Not this
is not me like queer flubbing it. He says, point blank,
I'm going to use her, shame her, and then he

(56:01):
pursues her part. And this is the number one streamed show.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
No I know.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
I keep trying to watch it, and the.

Speaker 5 (56:12):
Young people are thinking this man is hot.

Speaker 6 (56:14):
They're like, well, at the end of it, doesn't he
have growth, No bitch, she basically just sent.

Speaker 5 (56:20):
To grades.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
And then.

Speaker 4 (56:25):
It follows every TV show.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
I know. It's a bomber.

Speaker 7 (56:30):
You know, it sounds a lot like Sex in the City,
like this Demon sounds like mister Biggs.

Speaker 4 (56:35):
I don't I don't know what to tell.

Speaker 8 (56:39):
Oh really, mister is it just big?

Speaker 5 (56:52):
It's just big?

Speaker 4 (56:52):
Did I say, Biggs?

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah, I love that show too. Okay, mister Biggs.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Okay, well are you an Aiden or mister big guy?

Speaker 4 (57:04):
Neither? They're both gross?

Speaker 8 (57:05):
Okay, wow, yeah, sorry takes there goes a juice box.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Okay, before we end, I do have one last question
because I wanna, I want, I really value both of
your opinions, and I like I I wonder out of
all the growth we've had in women's sports, and both
of you have been a part of watching or you know,
youth sports, Like, what do you think we haven't achieved

(57:37):
yet in women's sports you would like to see not culturally,
but like you specifically, what do you feel that we
just have not checked that box in women's sports yet.

Speaker 6 (57:52):
Mine is gonna be a little controversial. I think it's
self respect and I think it's particularly it's self respect
juxtaposed to like as women's sports versus men's sports. And

(58:12):
I think that you can see this lack of self
respect in the trans conversation. And of course I'm not
including everyone in this, I'm just saying I think this
would be like monumental change. One of the conversations that
comes up most often when you're talking to specifically a
woman who does not want trans women in sports is
that there's actually this inherent belief that all men are

(58:36):
better athletes than all women, and that athletes that I
know that are not transphobic tend to be the best
fucking women on the field or on the court where
they have self respect and they're like, let the best
player play, it feels much less gender so and I
think that you can also see this of like, and

(58:57):
this is no heat or shade on anyone, but I
think that a lot of like the sports spaces, they started.

Speaker 5 (59:02):
To feel more legitimate when male celebrities.

Speaker 6 (59:05):
Started to show up, and that also felt like a
weird like, well, you know what you actually like, you
had a lot of queer people showing up, you had
a lot of women in the industry showing up, you
had a lot of people supporting you before, and now
like these guys who I'm glad that they're there, are
like really so important to us in a way that
doesn't feel like totally like it makes sense to me.

(59:26):
And I think that once we really come to terms
with the fact that women are as talented as any
other being on the planet, if not more talented, and
more spectacular and more interesting to watch, I don't think
that we'll need the external validation. I don't think we'll
worry so much about trans people playing these sports, and

(59:47):
I think we'll be able to relax into these spaces
and not worrying about what trolls are saying about what
anybody thinks about us. And these spaces are sacred, so
I want to enjoy them, and that requires us feeling
confident about.

Speaker 5 (59:59):
What we've created.

Speaker 7 (01:00:00):
Yeah, and I to kind of piggyback off of that
less of like what I think that women's sports hasn't
checked off, But it's more that like sometimes I think
that list of achievements is in comparison to men's leagues,
And I don't like the fear that I have with
the growth, which is amazing is that some of the

(01:00:22):
toxicity and sort of like the like uber hyper capitalism
of men's sports seeping into women's sports in a way
where like, you know, something like the bubble wouldn't have happened,
or like something like where these athletes don't feel empowered
to like break from the status quo. I think we

(01:00:43):
are seeing that in these leagues of like no Fisa
Collier stepping up and speaking out, or like the PWHL
being so like like a wonderful league, and so like
empowering of career and trance athletes is because they haven't
had that level of like male toxicity or like yeah,

(01:01:05):
like the toxic masculinity that can like kind of come
into like the crowds. Like I love that with the
growth of women's sports, Like when I go to a
WNBA game or an nwsail game, it feels really amazingly
queer and it feels safe for everyone. I don't feel
that way when I go to a men's sporting event.

(01:01:26):
And I hope that with the growth that like the
values that women's sports have been built on don't get
lost in chasing the.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Dollar bills, yeah, because money isn't everything.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
You don't want to sell yourself to the devil here.

Speaker 1 (01:01:41):
And I think that's where people miss it. And you
both just said it so beautifully. It's like there's a
lot more to the puzzle and the pie here. It's
not just about making money. There's a lot of you know,
other things that really matter that you know, we're going
to push the needle forward and we need to be
a part of that change.

Speaker 4 (01:02:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:02:01):
Like, like you said, those tickets, ticket prices that can
like very quickly ostracize, alienate a group of your fan
base who can't.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
Afford, can't afford it, can't afford it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Who can't afford that?

Speaker 4 (01:02:14):
I know who can afford Yeah, So it's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
It's it's really, it's it's so it's the truth, and
you start losing the identity and what really this culture
was built on.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
And it's not the Playbook of Men now.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
It is literally feeling so seen and feeling a part
of the growth and a part of the struggle.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Like all of these.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Fans have been there from the beginning. It's a totally
different clientele, it's a totally different fan base. The playbook
cannot be the same as the men. And that's why
I like, I've been a part of a lot of
failed leagues, a lot of it was we were failing
because we were using the playbook of men's sports.

Speaker 2 (01:02:56):
Yep, it doesn't fucking work.

Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
We are totally different the way we show up, the
way we operate all of them.

Speaker 5 (01:03:03):
I think that's true.

Speaker 6 (01:03:04):
I think that's true, even like you know, constantly thinking
about it to start to bring it back.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
But this like trans conversation is like I don't.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
Want, you know, for the people who do consider trans
women just men that are trying to get ahead, which
is like so fucking insane.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
And it's so crazy, so stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:03:22):
It is for people that think that I'm like, that
type of behavior is not welcome here, Like I there
is no room for me in women's sports, for bigotry
of any kind. And I mean I even felt like
a sense of relief when we found out that the
people that were throwing like sex toys on the court,
when it was like some fucking dude, because a big

(01:03:42):
part of my brain was like, course, I don't want this,
not from our people. And I think that you know,
regardless of what you biases you hold there is like
women's sports is a sacred space to a lot of people.
It's where a lot of people do feel safe it's
where they see their queerness for the first time. It's
where they see strong women with different bodies, it's where
they say queer people. It's like, this is this is sacred,

(01:04:05):
and I don't want any of the male fan energy
to come warp what we've.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Built correct exactly, and you both are really paving the way.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
To create that safe space through your podcast and what
you're doing. I'm sad Katie's not here today, but we'll
catch up with her next time. But I appreciate you
both being on the show, and more importantly, I appreciate
the way you show up in the world and you
want to be a part of this change, and you're
inviting everyone in because we need more belonging, we need
more community, especially right now with what's going on, and

(01:04:39):
sports is that through line sports, especially women's sports, is
just like you said, you are like you can really
see yourself and it's a safe space where everyone's accepted
and that is sacred to our community. And you bring
the right type of language, community, education and laughter that

(01:05:00):
really is going to make us better and lift us up.
And I appreciate I love I love listening to the podcast.
It is and please for the listeners or anyone watching, like.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Go check it out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
It's it's fucking funny, it's real, it's honest, it's raw, and.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
We have a real dumb time and you'll, like you have.

Speaker 1 (01:05:22):
A great time, and we need more of that right now.
So if you want to, if anything else is coming
up you both want to talk about, please feel free.
But uh, everyone go check out their podcast.

Speaker 2 (01:05:34):
It really is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
It's an enjoyable time and I sometimes feel like I'm
sitting at the table with you, which is hard to do.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
So you're doing something right.

Speaker 5 (01:05:44):
Well now we are. Thank you for having us.

Speaker 4 (01:05:47):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
Say hi, I love, I will, I will. I will
definitely do that. And hopefully when we get back to
l A we can all hang out and have a
little bit of a eight night or something fun. But
I appreciate I appreciate you both being on wide open.
Thank you everyone for tune up. Look who popped in? Love?

Speaker 6 (01:06:09):
Baby baby?

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Why okay? Get on here, baby, get on here? Baby?

Speaker 5 (01:06:22):
Hi, Hi, my love, how are you, hikutie? Good to
see you.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I miss you. Guys.

Speaker 5 (01:06:29):
You should have been here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:30):
Do you want to bring home our podcast?

Speaker 1 (01:06:32):
Do you want to say thanks everyone for tuning in
to Wide Open.

Speaker 4 (01:06:37):
Thanks everyone for tuning in and watching all these hotties
talk shit on Wide Open.

Speaker 5 (01:06:43):
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Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
That is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
We love you, and there you have it. That's our
show for the week and we will see you next
time on Wide Open with Ashlon Harris

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Rot that blo.