November 12, 2025 • 56 mins
This week on Rut Fresh, Jake is joined by Phil Lincoln of Indiana, Kevin Vistisen of Michigan, Ben Mosley of Wisconsin, and Jared Larsen of OnX to break down what they've been seeing for activity and key intel for the upcoming week.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, folks, welcome back to Roughfresh. This is Jake
Koefer and we have a great episode here from a
handful of folks across the Midwest. We have Phil Lincoln,
Kevin Visson, Ben Mosley, and Jared Larson giving their most
recent RUT report for one of the most exciting weeks
of the year. And now we're approaching potentially a little
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bit harder, but still a great amount of opportunity here
coming up, and we're going to talk about some things
to consider. You still have that tag in your pocket,
you feel like you're struggling. Here's some words of encouragement
and some strategy that can help you over the next
seven days. I hope you guys enjoy it. As you know.
Rofresh is brought to you by land dot com, the
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or hunting properties here in the US. Let's go in
and get things started here with Phil Lincoln in Indiana.
All right, first up on the line, we have Phil Lincoln,
who recently tagged a buck in Indiana. Phil, how does
it feel? You know, it's always bittersweet, right, you know,
(01:10):
It's like it takes the pressure off. You know, the
hard work pays off. But at the same time, you know,
done in Indiana. Fortunately have a piece of property right
across the border in Illinois and have landowner tags, so
I just kind of get to focus on Illinois, which yeah, yeah,
it's it's a good thing. I saw your post on
I saw your post on Facebook, and I feel everyone
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has weird superstitions this time of year, because it feels like,
quite frankly, a little bit of luck is needed, whether
we all want to admit it or not, and you
bust it out your lucky half. How much do you
think that had to play into your success here? Well,
I mean, yeah, who knows. I think, you know, with everything,
we make our own luck. You know, I was in
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a based on the time of the year, I was
in a rut funnel, and you know I shot a
buck that I may or I mean, I have on camera.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So you know, the one thing about a rut funnel.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Is and especially if you're connected to a big chunk
of woods, you know, you got deer moving you you know,
you may see the bucks that you have on camera
and you may see totally different ones, so you know,
and so uh, this breakdown that funnel is for someone
to understand it. Did you have where was your sat blowing?
Do you think there was bedding nearby? Kind of just
(02:23):
paint that picture if you can, so people can get
understanding what worked for you. So so I think there's
so I'm in a in a in a river bottom
and it's a it's a section of the river that
that chokes down pretty tight, right, So you got water
that's got some real steep banks that they're clearly not
you know, they're not crossing the creek in that point.
(02:45):
And then I'm on a Depending on which direction the
wind's blown, whether it's got north and south in it,
dictates which side of it I'm sitting on the anything
with south in it, I'm sitting on the north side
on a flat that's covered with oaks. And the only
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downside to that is if they're eating a lot of acorns,
they can they can get behind you. The downside to
that is is I almost can't shoot all the way
across the pinch point. If the wind is in the
opposite direction and I'm on the other side close to
you know, basically sitting close to the creek, I can
shoot the whole thing, because I'm not all the way over.
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The downside is I've got across the path of the
deer going back and forth to get there. So that's
where sink control is really critical. I was on the
north side of the rut funnel and at one point
I saw the buck that I thought was him come
out of the come between the CRP and a finger
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of trees that I shot a good buck out of
a few years ago. And I saw him come and
I got excited and I thought, Oh, that looks like
a would be a shooter. And then he kind of
like turned like he saw some deer, and I saw
his tail.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I saw him run off, and I thought, oh crap.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And then a little while later, probably like an hour later,
I'm watching up the funnel and I don't see much.
I see a couple of doos come through, and then
I'm sitting there and I'm just kind of like thinking
do I stay or do I go? And I hear
I hear something and I look down like right there,
(04:30):
like already in range like twelve twelve yards from the
base of my tree, and I see antlers and I
see a tail twitch and I'm like, holy cow, where
did he come from.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean I didn't even hear him, and he just
walked right underneath me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I mean when I shot him, I was shooting, you know,
not quite straight down, but like seven yards from the
base of the tree in high you know, out low,
and I literally watched him go like that and flop over.
So love it. Well, congratulations, So you were you were
a guide in Alaska, and I feel like an unspoken
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rule of a guide is to keep morale high and
maybe not so like when when your hunter's in there
and he's you know, spell this time or money, and
you know it's gone from work, one from his family
and you're struggling. What do you say to the guys
listening right now that feel you know, they've been hunting
really hard and just things haven't been going the way
they need to. We're are entering arguably the lockdown period
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here between the twelfth and nineteenth. What do you say
to a guy that's like Phil, I don't know, I'm struggling.
So in Alaska, like moose hunting or brown bear hunting
or caribou hunting, it can be like two or three
days of slow and nothing before bam, something happens where
white tail hunting. You know, sometimes half a day or
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a few hours can seem like a lifetime of nothing happening, right.
But what I have found, some of the biggest trophies
I've killed in my life have been shifting my attitude
towards hunting with friends and allowing them to take the
first trophies because they've either never done it before or
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never killed one. And what I've found is a lot
of times being patient works out, works out to your benefit.
And it usually it seems like whether you're sitting in
the white Tail woods or just spending day after day glassing,
you know, call and moose, waiting for a big bull
to walk in. About the time you really think why
am I doing this, all of a sudden bam, something
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happens and you know, there's that flurry of excitement for
you know, however long, and you either take advantage of
it or you don't. But yeah, usually about the time
you're really thinking about giving up is usually when your
luck changes it. You know, if you're really serious and
you're actually putting the time in, it's it's bound to
happen eventually.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's just it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's great advice.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is there any.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is there anything that sticks out to you to be
you know, maybe one of the most important things that
hunting this this next week of November, between the twelfth
and nineteenth, it looks like temperatures are going to be
kind of elevated for this upcoming weekend. You know, with
all that considered, uh, where is kind of your hat at?
I think I would give you know, probably the you know,
the generic answers you'd get from most any you know,
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whitetail guy that time a period. So in Indiana this
year that is Saturdays, actually the opening weekend of gun
in Indiana. And even if I even if I haven't
shot my one buck in Indiana, sometimes I'll gun hunt.
Sometimes I just kind of wait for the madness to
be over and then go back into bow hunting mode.
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Or I'll put on a red cap, which you usually
you know, you have to wear red to bow hunt.
But I would say, you know, I would switch off
to the you know, the thickets between you know, bedding
and food and you know, catch the catch those bucks
that are looking for that next dough you know where
where you know, I mean back back in the thick,
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you know where you're not like bumping deer out of bedding.
But you're not necessarily in the destination food plots either.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The the problem with hunting food plots is is you know,
you blow dose out of food plots and you can
you can change that spot for a week or several
days or maybe the whole season where you know, if
you can get between the food and the bedding, usually
you're catching deer going through and you know, when it
gets dark, you can say, Okay, now's my chance.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Gather up your stuff, get down the tree.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And you know, if you've got if you've got good
access and you know in and out, that's going to
be your safest bet to you know, low impact, but
still catch you know, those bucks, you know, frantically looking
for the you know, for that next dough. And I mean,
if you've got a high dough population, you know, you
may not see much cruising looking for those doughs at all.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
They may not have to go far to get them.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I think that's I think that's what I'm that's
that's what I'm dealing with here in Indiana. I think
we just have too many dos and I think it's
you know, it's just really cut down on the amount
of buck movement in general. Yeah. Now, I think that's
important too, because I feel that, you know, the deeper
the season gets, the more desperate people get where they're like, oh, yeah,
you know, I don't really care if I scare some deer.
(09:22):
I have to get back here. I have to get
you know, like make you know, forget the fundamentals and
dis inherently make it harder on themselves. So I think
that's a great piece of advice for folks to remember
the fundamentals and keep keep You got to be there
to win, right, You got to be out there to
have an opportunity. But I still want to not make
it harder for yourself. So I'm going to tell you
something that I'd never talked about before, but I think
it's the biggest mistake that people make going into the woods.
(09:44):
And I've done I've done a bunch of research on this,
and I've done a little bit of writing. I haven't
come up with a a sale of the story.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
But you know, how we sneak into our tree stands.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, we're meticulous about keeping our boots clean and
our pant legs clean, and we're not touching the weeds
as we're walking through the woods and we're like, uh,
you know, got to get to my stand without leaving
any scent.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You go there, and then you know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Later in the morning you got a three year old
dough walks exactly. Your path comes to the base of
your tree, sifts around, and it maybe goes on about
her business or whatever, and you think, how in the
world can she smell me? Right, I mean, we've all
been there, We've all been there, and I can tell
you the most overlooked thing I think that everybody is
dealing with.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's your breath. Interesting, it's your breath.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Nobody talks about it, nobody covers it. Yet that's how
bloodhounds find people is breath, breath and skin cells. So
the more you can cover up, long sleeves, gloves, cover
your face. I've started. I started wearing a mask to
my tree stamp. Right. So it's hard to sit in
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a tree stamp a guy with glasses, it's hard to
sit for long periods of time because your glasses fog up.
It just sucks. I mean, it takes all it takes
all the remaining fun right out of it. Right, But
for me now, I don't want to leave any scent
between the truck and the base of my tree. When
I get up there, my, you know, my, my, my, uh.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
My breathing has relaxed.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'm not expelling as much moisture whatever, so I don't
pay as the closest attention to it. Although I've seen
I've seen Jim Browker sit in a tree stand with
a charcoal mask on and and literally cover his face.
So when when when I go into my tree and
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I have deer completely around me in my downwind and
I don't have dose stomp and I don't have any blown,
I don't have any carrying on, and then my trail
cameras show pictures of bucks and doze in the same
area around where I've been. I feel pretty confident that
the day before, when I was in there, I didn't
have much impat Everybody knows every time you hunt a
(12:01):
tree stand, the quality of that stand just goes down
a little bit more, a little bit more, a little
bit more. But when you don't see deer reacting to
you being there, I mean, it's not a guarantee that
you haven't degraded that stand. Because I think anything can
make a difference. The other thing that I learned too,
is not only is it your breath, but then it's
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also things that don't belong there. I hunted Kansas with
some bear clients a number of years ago. I hunted
two years in a row, and every day when i'd
walk into this stand, there was this huge puddle that
when I turned off the main road and turned to
go back into the woods to my tree stand, there
was this big there was this big puddle, and so
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I thought, this is years ago. I thought, being a
smart guy that I was, I'd get in there and
scrub my boots real good and wash off anything that
they might have picked up in the bed of the
truck or whatever, you know, get them all wet, and
then I screwed off into the woods, pimb up my
tree stand and think, okay, here I go. And in
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some cases I think I was doing more harm by
stepping in that puddle than I was if I would
have just walked down the gravel road, turned down my
path with dry boots and just went in. Because now
what was happening is I'm introducing water and whatever scent
was in that puddle from cars driving through whatever. I
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actually added more scent, more things that didn't belong to
my boots boom and scattered it right to my right,
to my stand. Yeah, but I'm telling you the breath,
the breath, The breath is big. That's interesting. Well, nobody
talks about it, but it's your breath test. Yeah, Google,
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how does the bloodhound find a last person? And they'll
tell you it's their breath and skin cells. And we
all know that white tailed deer have better nose than
a bloodhound. So as long as you're leaving. I had
an experiment. I put a white masth like we all
wore during COVID. I took off from the truck, I
went to my tree stand, I climbed up. When I
got all settled, and I took it off. And when
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I took that white mask off, I had a puddle,
a puddle like moisture ran dripped out. So all that
moisture that was contained in that mask would have been
scattered between the base of my tree and the truck.
That's interesting, well, people, Yeah, people can people can test
this theory and see if they have less dear follow them.
So knowing the phase of November right now, knowing weather
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isn't you know a plus here for the next seven
days scale one to ten. Where do you put this
next weekend? Oof? Well, and I mean Indiana they're going
to slaughter him because his gun season.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's the middle of the rud. I mean, it's just
a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But I'm not seeing I'm not seeing I'm not seeing
the numbers of older age class deer this year that
I have pretty consistently in the past. So I don't
know if EHD has taken more of a hit this
year than it has in the past. If it's just
the you know, the full moon and then working at
night and and you know, the warmer weather being less movement,
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If I'm just was really sucky about my trail cam
location since this year, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But to me it's an off year. It to me,
it's it's been hard to get excited.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, people start getting excited about trail camp pictures
over beans in July and then August, and then you
know they get hard horned and you get the you
get the dispersal and they're like, oh, oh, my big
deer are gone, or holy cow, one just showed up.
I never worry about that stuff until like the first
of October, and then I don't get excited until you know,
the twenty fifth of October. If I don't have pictures
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of bucks by the twenty fifth of October, now I'm
starting to kind of Now I'm kind of starting to
panic a little bit. And that's kind of the way
it's been like since the twenty fifth of November. So,
I mean, I don't want to be a Debbie downer,
but for me, I you know, I'm gonna keep hunting
Illinois and keep my fingers crossed. But it's you know,
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with with even more warm weather, I think it's just
going to be more of the same. I mean, I
think I think there's gonna be a lot of deer
killed just because it's the one time of the year
the bucks will make a mistake and and you know,
not be as vigilant going through the woods, and people
are gonna, you know, people are going to hammer them.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
So one of ten, where do you put it?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Six, Okay, I think we had another. I think we
had another six in this patch. But well, Phil, congratulations
once again, and good luck in Illinois and appreciate it.
People can pay attention to their skin cells and their
breath and maybe you're onto something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think I'm onto something.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Next up we have Kevin Visison with Deer Hunter Podcasts,
who just tagged a perfon that's no best buck in Michigan.
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
How's it feel?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It feels phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
It was a real It was a real emotional rollercoaster.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I hit a buck bad on Tuesday, hit him high,
backstrapped him, and come to find out, when I got
down out of the tree and started looking around, by
site was loose. It was like fifteen yards. It was
a chip shot. It was an absolute slam dunk chip shot.
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I had, I've got everything on film, but I got
down and there was no blood, and so.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I watched the footage back.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
I'm like, well, I definitely hit that deer high and
my site had come loose. So I already had PTSD
going from Tuesday and then Wednesday evening it was super
high winds, so I tucked into some thermal cover on
a down wind side of a small mountain. Basically that
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I assumed some does were betting on and that there
might be some bucks kind of cruising through this area,
and I just, you know, you gamble, and I picked
the wrong trail. I was hoping that he was going
to take the primary trail that was going to be
between me and the dough betting, but he picked the
one just behind me, which was on the down wind
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side of me. He came in on the down wind
side of me, so I was kind of worked up.
Plus I'm in a saddle and he was on my
weak side, so I had I was matured deer at
twenty yards unannounced to me. I look back, he's right there,
so I'm like, oh my gosh, get my bow.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Come over my bridge.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Lutily, luckily there was some pines, so he as he's
walking past me, he's going through some pines and I
was able to get away with a lot of movement.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
So I came over my bridge. But still is very acrobatic.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And you know you when you practice shooting, you're in yard,
you got good form.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Like everything's this was the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It was totally.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
It was.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
It was, and I realized that before I let the
arrow go that I was right.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It was in a terrible position. I did what I
could to straighten myself out.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I took an extra second and I really settled the
pin and I was conscious about that because I just
had a bad scenario and I didn't want to have
another one. But I let the arrow go. It sounded
really good, it looked really good. But it happened well.
I have it all on a film.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It was twenty nine seconds from the time I saw
the deer to the time I let the arrow go.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
When I got down to the impact site, there was
no blood.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
The arrow had blood on it, but there was no blood.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
And I could see where the deer had turned up
the pine leaves running and I went like twenty five
yards and there wasn't a single drop of blood.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And I I just instantly just went to the deep, deep.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Down bottoms of Oh my gosh, how could I have
How could this have happened? And so what ended up
happening is I think when I hit him, so he
was quartering to a little bit, and he was very close,
my entry was high and my exit was very low,
like in.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
His armpit on the off side armpit.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
His leg was forward, and when that arrow came out,
I think when he ran, his leg came back and
covered the exit and it was like really tight to
where it held all the blood in until the blood
came up the cavity all the way to the high entry,
because we went almost one hundred yards on little pinpricks of.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Blood and then like someone opened a faucet.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And the next fifty yards was just a basically a
drug out puddle of blood and he was laying right there.
And so I went from the lowest of lows to
the highest of highs and had like, if anybody wants
to get me a Christmas gift, I could use a
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subscription to a mental health clinic.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Come out coming out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That's November, November, white tales and a nuts.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, man, it's a lot,
it's a lot. I had a good friend with me,
and we celebrated accordingly, and it was a big emotional dump.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But yeah, I'm going to weigh.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
The deer tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I suspect he's maybe going to weigh around two hundred
and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
You know, he's a wilderness deer.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
He's never had a bite of corn or any kind
of egg or anything like that. So yeah, it's it's
it's still I guess it's less common for you know,
deer that live in that type of situation to put
on a ton.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Of win eight mass.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You know they're they're really they put a lot of
their time and energy into just surviving.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah. So yeah, no, that's awesome, man, congratulations and super exciting.
So still have a tag and so looking at here,
you know, I think, you know, the first we're getting
into the first the first quarter of November is over.
So like more than likely people that listeners dud. They've
been hunting hard, they've been hunting every chance they get,
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and maybe things haven't gone quite the way they were hoping.
And so now from the twelfth of the nineteenth, what
do you say to that guy that's like, Man, I'm struggling.
I'm struggling. I'm starting to get in my own head.
I'm forgetting the fundamentals of what I need to be
doing this time of year. For that guy, what do
you tell them?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I I you know, I grew up. I'm like fast
and furious.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And there's a quote when the young guy's drag Race
and the old guy and he hits the nitrous too
soon and he doesn't make it to the finish line,
and then Dominic Turetto says, too soon, Junior, and then
he hits it at the end and he wins. Social
media really accelerates people's thinking. I think now that they
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gotta get it done. Everybody's getting it done. I haven't
got it done. And you're you are right. We are
coming to the peak of the mountain. So you you
climb up the peak of the mountain and we'll call
the peak of the mountain. We're probably there right now
as we're recording this. It's what the seventh, It's Bill Winkie.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Day, It's National Tree Stand Bill Winki Day.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, I had a buck hanging from my back tree.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Bill Winky left me broadheads under it. But we got
a whole downside of the mountain to come down and
it doesn't get bad for a long time.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I took.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
My whole point is I wouldn't be an any state
of panic in any capacity.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I if you give me.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
An option to hunt from November fifteenth to the end
of the year or November fifteenth to October first, I
would take November fifteenth to the end of the year.
Easy decision for me. I know a lot of the
deer have been killed, but I feel like a lot
of the bigger and smarter deer that have made it
(24:25):
through a deer season they have made it through a
deer season and I've just had a lot of success
late season. I feel like the woods empties out. And
I also think it's worth mentioning. I've heard a lot,
and it's for years people say lockdown, lockdown, lockdown, like
(24:47):
it's a bad thing. Lockdown that I love. Lockdown, Like
you're telling me the deer is in a place like
and he's staying there.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That's a gift. So and when the deer.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Lockdown, it's like a dog with a bone and another
dog goes to it and it's guards it. Those deer
almost get like in zombie mode where you can almost
like go in and throw stuff at them and they
won't leave.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, they won't leave.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So when the.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Lockdown lockdown phase happens, the deer do stop ranging quite
so much. But if you know where the dough betting
is and where the heavy cover is and where a
buck wants to push a dough to breed them, you
just got to get into those spots and you can
literally walk in on those deer and push them out
(25:45):
of there.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And they don't.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Like to leave. They don't like to leave. So if
you're a mobile hunter and you have flexibility. I understand
that if you are sitting over you know, maybe a
food source, and you're not mobile, and the deer aren't
moving as much, and they're not willing to run across
the open field in the middle of the day because
(26:10):
they're tucked up in heavy cover with a dough. But
I like to hunt that heavy cover, so I guess,
you know, to put a bow on that. I love
what's coming, like, I'm excited for what's coming. Plus, our
gun season opens November fifteenth, m hm, So it's almost.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Basically another basically another Michigan national holiday. You guys have
a lot of holidays in November that a lot of
people don't recognize. You got Bill Winkie Day, and you
have opening Day a gun season in Michigan.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, November fifteenth is a special day and it marks
the kickoff of our gun season. And then where I live,
I get it's a rate around the same time where
I start to get snow.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So it's a big reset for me.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
It opens up a whole new deer season because I
can start tracking and doing some things that I can't
do without snow. I know that that's you know, not
for every everybody doesn't have that situation. But I really
love when we get to that time of the year.
But the best is the best is yet to come
in in my opinion, and I love If I had
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to pick one week, I would pick the week of Thanksgiving.
Every time, I've had more big deer walk during daylight
hours and the last week of November historically than anything
else that I see through the year. And we get
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you know, we get hundreds or thousands of video and
photo submissions from people that use our synthetic scent products.
The sample size that I have seen is with our
community is very It lines up with what I have
seen personally, and a lot of deer, big deer late
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November because like I said, they've been through a deer
season before, they've been chased before. You know, they've been
through it for three or four years, and they know
how to they know how to slide through that period
and they understand a lot of people I think are
out of the woods by that time of year, and
they get one, they get there's less people in the woods,
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and two we come down the backside of the mountain,
there's not as many doughs like uh.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I've experienced multiple times where I'm mature.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Dose dose will go to Bucks like they don't even
have to go out and run crazy to breed, right,
But that might not be the case come like November
twenty if through twenty fifth, something like that. And I've
just consistently seen it for years where that is such
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a golden opportunity. But a lot of people like I said,
too soon, Junior's.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
That's perfect, perfect way to describe it. So either go
get another boost of nitrous the remainder of this month,
or realize that it is truly a marathon and not
a sprint. As cliche as that sounds, it's it is.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
You can't just start a marathon off sprinting, or you're
not gonna make it. And you got to be conscious
that social media will lead you to believe that everybody's
got their buck and the thing is over.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But it's it's you know, it's not the case.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I love it. Well, congratulations once again, Kevin. Uh. When's
when's the footage gonna go live? Is it next year?
This year? Soon?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I imagine we'll put something short format together here in
the uh in the coming weeks just so people can
have a look at it. But we we have a
Hunt series on our YouTube at Deer Hunter Podcast, and
I'll save the long format story for next year and
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then hopefully you have even bigger one.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Wrap my next tag around to love it bigger one
here in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So love it well. Congratulations was again uh and man,
good luck on the next one.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Thanks Jake.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
All right, we got Ben Moseley with White Tail Lane
Designs who just smoked his target buck in Wisconsin. How
does it feel?
Speaker 7 (30:36):
It feels pretty good. Feels good like a big weight
off your shoulders. A lot of people knew about.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That, dear, so a lot of people were hunting that
same dear.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
He I mean prior to that, he'd been shot at twice.
So neighbor neighbor just over the hill shot at him.
They've got a stand right on our fence line, m so.
And then and then I shot at him too.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
If you had a swing and a miss, I had
a swing.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
And a miss.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
It was like it was the like when was it
the eighth, no seventh or the eighth of October? I
just found him, like on the first and I had
to leave to drive back down to Louisiana and then
we were going to Hawaii. For my wife's birthday. So
he comes out fifty five yards. I'm like, oh, I can,
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I can do this, set my sight and then I
intentionally hang hold low and I watched the air like
as it goes, I'm like, that's low shit it the
fletching must have touched is his hair, and he just
jumps and pretty thick cover. He went like ten yards
and then disappeared and walked about twenty yards for me,
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but in a bunch of really thick stuff and just
walked off. But uh, he was back on camera the
next day in the same area. He had no idea,
but I'd set my site pin in the rush of
it everything because he was in such thick like CRP.
I'd set it at fifty one and I said it
right at fifty five, pretty sure you would.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Have been dead. But whatever, right I shot him, it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Still worked out. Yeah, So let's talk about it. So
it's November seventh, right now. You connected with them on
November sixth. What's the activity been like as far as
you know, Like, let's say, what was November fourth and fifth,
and then obviously sixth it came together here, But what's
been the activity here?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Okay, So November fourth. I mean, we've had really high
winds up here, so it was pretty slow. Evenings have
been really slow up here in general camera activity. Everybody
talking about it, just because of the really high winds
that we have, warmer temps than normal.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Mornings have been pretty good.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
November fifth, I saw the buck and he'd actually gone
into my parents' yard.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'll send you the video. It might actually be on
my Instagram.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I forgot, but my dad said, up a decoy down
there is like, hey, let's just see what happens. And
he's drinking his morning coffee looking out the front window.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
A little buck.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Comes down, and then he comes down, He squares up
with the decoy, sends the decoy flying, and then walked
twenty yards from the house.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So and then he walked back up the hill.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Walks towards me, and he skirts me about fifty some
yards just in thick cover and goes and beds down.
And then I didn't I saw him again later that
night on the other side of the farm at like
eight pm on camera.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
SO and so governing some distance obviously a RT mentality
that he's fighting decoys in the yard. And then on
the six kind of walk us through that game plan
on how you set up and made it happen.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Okay, So I have a stand. It's about one hundred
yards from this house. And the way this property is
is it's you You're basically hunting from the inside out.
It's it's not like you're accessing from your normal roads
or your egg fields. So I have this stand that
is east of the house, about maybe one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
It's down in the bottom. There's a pretty deep ditch.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
A lot of stuff has been pushed into it because
I did a lot of doser work up here to
open up the egg fields, and so deer just they
won't cross right there. And when you've got i mean
your sun rises from the east, and I've got a
great big rock formation up there that blocks the sun
this time of year until about ten ten thirty in
the morning, So thermals don't do what thermals will normally
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do and start rising.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
They're they're rushing, so rushing down the hill.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
So as long as I've got a steady, calm east wind,
nothing's gonna nothing's gonna win me. So that's where I said,
and I actually almost slept in for the first time
yesterday morning. But I have this this drive where if
I don't do it, it's gonna eat at me. So
I got to the stand probably like five minutes before light,
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and uh, shortly after setting up, I hear it Doe
blowing and this the doze in this area.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
They're getting really spooky.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I've watched Doe and Fawns blow at Bucks already this year,
so I'm assuming she's being her assed. And uh, shortly later,
about ten minutes after I hear it blowing, she walks
twenty yards in front of me on a logging road
and she stops and she stares, and I'm like, okay,
she looks like she's looking at me, but I can
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tell she's looking through me. I'm like, there's something behind me,
but I can't hear anything or just off to my right.
And finally I hear a really deep, deep grunt and
she sits there and stares some more and starts blowing again.
So I'm like, okay, like that, it's got to be him.
My assumption is is him. They seem to kind of
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push everything out of the area except for a few
year and a half.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Year old Bucks.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And she walks off and I see I finally see
him out of the corner of my eye. And I
see him. I'm like, he's coming right for the tree.
I'm like, please do not walk behind me. I'm like,
if you walk behind me, you're gonna win me. Because
my thermals were right there. But there's one little narrow
path like three feet he would have been right on
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the tree. He ended up bearing and he went in
front of the tree. I watched him through the platform.
I'm sitting watching them through the platform walk underneath me.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
He's locked on the dough.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
His eyes are locked on the dough, and I finally
just slowly stand up, grab my bow and shoot him
hardquartering away at fifteen yards and he piles up on
the logging road of it after fifty yards and.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, that's that's what November is all about,
those moments right there, that's what everyone's working towards. And
so for folks that still have their tag in their pockets,
so I want you to shift gears to November twelfth. Yeah,
so it's November twelfth, we still have a tag in
your pocket. Maybe something didn't quite go right, maybe you
feel like you're hunting a ghost. What would you tell
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that person for this upcoming week, so November twelfth to
the seventeenth.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Keep on with the grind. I tell a lot of
people like the rut. The rout really sucks. Really when
you think about it, it's not super fun to hunt
because you're in you're sitting there, and it can be
extremely boring. I mean, hours on stand the dos have
been harassed to the point where they just don't want
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to get her assed anymore. So they're kind of hanging tight.
You're waiting for one buck to get up and move through.
Maybe you'll see like a yearling every once in a while,
but then all of a sudden, you've got like thirty
seconds of just crazy action. Your heart gets beating, and
then it's dead again. That's what everybody's waiting for. You
just got to keep a positive mindset, keep with grind,
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keep your butt planet in a tree stand. Do not
sit there and like hunt based off of camera intel,
because if you have a buck on camera, you already
missed him.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
He's gone, he went through that area.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
And honestly, running cameras and funnels is kind of hard
because usually, I mean a funnel doesn't always bottleneck down
to like ten yards to where camera is really effective.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
It's probably a fifty sixty.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Yard wide funnel and the bucks just kind of run
through there.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, that's I think Tho's really good advice as far
as maybe someone's struggling on man, you know it the
activity is slowing down, and you know the dose are
definitely harassed. I've definitely pressured the farm. Like these are
things that all going through their mind right now. Is
there any odd ball, throw a dart idea that you
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have for someone that's just like, dude, I've tried everything,
I've hunted my spots, and I'm seeing less and less, dear,
and I just I feel out of the game. Do
you stick with the plan or do you call an
audible or tear through and scout a little bit?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
I mean, scouting at this time of year, to me
is kind of a crap shoot because if you go
and you find a bunch of rubs, more than likely
those rubs were done either when he was with the
dough and frustrated and he's already moved on from that area,
or they were done most likely late October when they are.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Rubbing a lot, or really early in November when they're rubbing.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
A lot scrapes. They kind of fall off the scrapes.
I'll actually notice a lot of bucks on camera this
time of year. They'll actually skirt on the down wind
side of scrapes and I'll just scent check it real quick,
unless it's a scrape they've never visited before. I've got
videos of this buck actually even walking by a scrape
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that I know they've never been to before, and they'll
put the brakes on and then they'll go visit it.
But then after that they'll treat it like every other
scrape and they'll just walk past it and.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Check it.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
So I would just say the best thing for you
is to plant your butt in a funnel. If there's
a water hole on it, that's even better, because that's
like the one thing that Bucks will go out of
their way for this time of the year is water.
Stay off the food sources, because if there's any does
on food sources, it's really late at night in my
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area for cameras. I'm starting to just see on my
farms just fonns wandering by themselves, a year and a
half year old bucks moving quite a bit, so that
kind of tells me that they're with DOES, right now
or a lot of doughs. So I'm guessing here, in
about twenty four to forty eight hours, I'm gonna see
a big flurry of activity on those cameras of newer
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Bucks running through, going all over the place, and it's
going to be another another forty eight to seventy two
hours of nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, looking here the extended forecast Saturday, November fifteenth, high
of sixty nine here in north central Illinois. What do
you say for that guy that has the Saturday off.
He's like, it's November fifteenth, it's almost seventy degrees. Do
I even go? What do you say to that guy?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Don't use that as an excuse not to go.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
The biggest book I've ever killed was on Halloween in
nineteen mile an hour winds and it was seventy degrees
that day and he was bumping doze all over the place.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Okay, so stick with them, Yeah, just stick with it.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
This time of year, anything can happen. It's just a grind.
I mean, you just have to be in the stand.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
To do it.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
That's everybody loves the rut because it's when the most
action happens. And I just yeah, temperature definitely helps movement,
but I think it's helping the doze moving than the
bucks have to kind of keep up with them. But
when that dough gets up after she's locked down with him,
that buck's gonna get up and he's gonna he's gonna
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move and maybe just a short distance, but maybe that's
all it takes.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, So looking, you know, knowing that we're gonna have
some elevated temperatures between the twelfth and call it, I
guess the nineteenth. On a scale one to ten, what
what would you put this? This is that becoming week
as far as potential big buck activity.
Speaker 7 (42:33):
So we here we actually have a huge cold front
coming I think.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
This weekend. But yeah, so we gotta this will go
live on the twelfth.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah, I mean elevated temperatures Again, anything
can happen.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Does it suck? Yeah? Are they gonna move a little
bit more at night? Can it happen? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:56):
The chips aren't exactly stacked completely in your favor, but
it's all right. The rut stop. Just I really dislike
like hunting forecast apps. I want to if you if
you take like a bunch of them, you compare themselves.
They contradict each other all the time, and then you'll
do that. Yeah, You'll sit there and you'll look at
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it and be like, oh, this says it's a good day,
and then all of a sudden, thirty minutes later, it
says it's slow.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And so.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Scale one to ten. Yeah, scale one to ten with
elevated temps from the twelfth to nineteenth. Where do you
put it? You gotta we gotta put a hard number on.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
It, probably like six.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Okay, all right, probably it's sick.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give it like uh ten,
because again, you don't have the perfect temperatures.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
But it's the rut you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think it happened. Yeah, anything comes down to mindset. That's right. Well,
congratulations on tagging your target buck here man. That that
is awesome. That's what everyone's that's what everyone's chasing here.
So congratulations, you made it happen, and I appreciate you
hopping on here.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, no problem, all right.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Next up on the line, we have Jared Larson with
on ex Jared, how was your November seventh?
Speaker 8 (44:07):
Uh? My November seventh was mostly in my car, but
I did get did get to the destination for an
evening sit. It was not overbly memorable, but we were.
It was exploratory, so it was it was solid, saw
some new ground, put the boots on some dirt.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
And uh, I'm feeling real good about the next week.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I love it. I love it. And so you just
wrapped up a hunt in Wisconsin. What was the rud activity,
deer activity? What was going on up there?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (44:32):
I was in Wisconsin the last week and we had
some really good sits and some really tough sits. You know, personally,
I definitely am a little bit of a subscriber to
the full moon.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Which obviously just kind of peaked full.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
And I really seem in my anecdotal personal experience that
waxing to the full I do a lot better on
the evening sits.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Uh, And that that held true this past week. I
shot a really good buck.
Speaker 8 (45:01):
And uh, I mean, he couldn't have cared less about
the dos in the field. He was just on a
marching mission, laying down scrapes. I mean he literally walked
five yards from you know, four dos and never even
looked at him.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
So, you know, I'll take him how I can get him.
But he wasn't too interested in the ladies.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
We had lots of young deer chasing, you know, a
year and a half, two and a half year old deer,
three and a half year old deer.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
But the mature bucks that we did.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
See, you know, really really weren't paying that close of
attention to the ladies.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Interesting. Interesting, So what date did you shoot that buck?
Do you remember the shot?
Speaker 3 (45:39):
That book?
Speaker 8 (45:39):
On?
Speaker 1 (45:39):
November third?
Speaker 3 (45:40):
The evening of November.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Third, beautiful day. That's a great day to be a
deer hunter.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That yep, it historically has been one of my best.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah. So going into Iowa. Now, so you you packed
up as November seventh, and how long do you are
you pointing to be hunting in Iowa?
Speaker 8 (45:58):
Yep, So I'll be in Iowa, i believe if Sunday
is the seventeenth, and I'll have to head back to
Montana on the seventeenth. So we got we got a
good full eight nine days of lundon here.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Perfect, Okay. So obviously, unfortunately we're recording this, we have
like the cold front of the year where this is
likely going to be one of the best activity spurts
of the year. So when this goes live, hopefully everyone
has had so much success. They don't even have to
tune into rough Fresh because they don't need to know
what's going on, because I already tagged a giant. So
but for folks that didn't, so like November twelfth to
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the nineteenth, looking at some potential elevated temperatures, where's your
head at?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (46:38):
You know, you know here and I will obviously as
you mentioned, that cold front is going to be passed
by that point, and I think we're looking at lows
in the like high twenties, low thirties, heating up to
the low sixties during the day, which I really don't
mind that for Iowa here, you know, the late mornings
is really what I'm going to be keyed up on again,
that waning moon after the full I really am a
(47:01):
firm believer in that eight thirty nine am to twelve
thirty one pm timeframe. I'm going to be really keyed
up on, you know, the down wind side of dough betting.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
And you know, being a guy just like you that
hunts a fair amount of public and a fair amount
of private, I one thing that lulls me to sleep
when I'm hunting private ground is I look at the
wind to not get busted by deer, rather than looking
at the wind to understand how a deer is going
to use that wind. And so that's really something I
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always have the option to go mobile if the wind
is going to be you know, let's say we have
a west wind, I'm really going to be keyed up
on those east faces where those deer can put the
wind at their back that security blanket. So I really
try to take my public land hunting mindset into private.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Land when I when I'm hunting the.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
Rut and just really focusing on what are those deer
going to be doing, how are they going to be
using that wind to their advantage, rather than just so
solely focused on playing the wind to not get busted.
I mean to be super candid with you, sometimes I
throw caution to.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
The wind this time of year.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
You know, if I have a spot that I am
hot to trot on and I just have a good
feeling about it, I'll hunt a bad wind this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
And it's really the only time of year that I'll
do that.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
So that's what I'm gonna be keyed in on, especially
in the mornings, is you know that downwind side of
dough betting. I'm in some hillier country, so I'm gonna
use the topography to my advantage, using the light hour
feature on on X to really find those small nuanced draws, benches,
drainages where those deer can put the put the wind
at their back, and you know, find that good betting
and be down wind to that.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
And then in the evenings.
Speaker 8 (48:44):
You know, a lot of times I'll be pulling all
day sits for the most part, but that does not
mean I'm gonna be sitting in the same tree all day.
You know, I'll hunt a morning set on the down
wind side of dough betting, but then I'll move to
food h in the evening, trying to find those dos
because those bucks obviously are going to be keyed up
on those those major food sources. So where I'm at,
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we don't have a whole lot of food plots, but
we got egg up the wazoo, as most people do
in Iowa. So I really prefer corn this time of
year over beans, so I'll be I'll be looking to
find some corn fields, find those edges, and you know,
early on finding those observation sets. It's hard to do
an observation sit sometimes when you're trying to kill them
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during the rut, But it can really pay dividends to
just understand where those dos are coming from, because that
also gives you just that tip of the hat as
far as knowledge goes on where they're betting. That way,
you can just continually reposition yourself to be being the
best plot possible because even on private land, you know,
you think.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
You know it like the back of your hand, but
sometimes you can find just.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
A tricky little spot that that's kind of an aha,
light bulb moment.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah. Absolutely. How closely have you been paying attention to
the deer movement forecast and onyx have you been? Have
you been testing this each day? Like, well, this is
above average below average based off of because that's a
new that's a new feature that I think a lot
of people don't know about. You just clicked the weather icon.
I had to ask you how to do it. So
what have you been seeing with this? Has it been
matching up?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
So I've been trying to take daily screenshots like a
couple of days out for the deer movement forecast day of.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
And honestly, dude, I've been I've been pretty impressed.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
I would say that our deer movement forecast is maybe
a little bit pessimistic in our percent chance of movement,
but I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I'd rather tell people they have a fifty percent chance
been one hundred percent chance.
Speaker 8 (50:33):
Because, as every single one of you listening knows, there
is no one hundred percent chance day. Uh and if
nothing else, you know, use that deer movement forecast as
that little subtle nudge to uh not watch football on
Sunday and get your butt out to a tree stand
if it's gonna be you know, above a forty percent movement.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Chance, you know.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
And it's all based on you know, data from machine learning,
trail camera photo intake, as well as all the typical
weather parameters barometric pressure, temperature, moon phase, all that stuff
goes into account.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
So I've definitely been paying attention to it.
Speaker 8 (51:08):
But as with any piece of technology, the only way
to not kill a deer is to not be hunting.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Perfectly well said, that is the essence and epitome of
November deer hunting. But for the guy that's like, man,
I've just been getting my teeth kicked in. I'm do
I even know how to deer hunt, Like I'm doing
everything wrong is what it feels like. What do you
say to that guy, Because there's a lot of people
that are going to feel like this if they don't
capitalize on this cold front that happens before this goes live.
Speaker 9 (51:39):
You know, I think the word it's a grind gets
used a lot in the whitetail world especially, And at
the end of the day, if you're feeling like it's
a grind, take a day off, you know, sweep.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
In until eight thirty in the morning, go out there at.
Speaker 8 (51:53):
Nine am and hunt that like cruisan scent check in
time of the day, you know, if you're not having fun,
but like, take take a break. Hunting is supposed to
be fun. It's supposed to be enjoyable, you know. I
think everybody wants to chase that five and a half
six and a half, you know, seven and a half
year old deer. But at the end of the day, man,
if you're ready to loosen arrow and a three year
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old walks by that you're excited about and you're gonna
be happy with and you're gonna be proud of, give
it to them.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I love it. I love it so with knowing that
temperature as gonna be a little bit elevated. So hones
scale one to ten, where do you put the next
seven days? The twelfth of the nineteenth and ten being
the this is the best week ever, one being I'm
not even gonna go.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Where I am in Iowa historically. You know, we've hunted
this farm for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
There is no better time.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
This is the time, you know, I would really kind
of bracket it from November ninth to November fifteenth as
like the best days where we're at in Iowa. But
I would say the later that November progresses, call it
like the fifteenth through the twenty second. What we've noticed
is more mature bucks are on their feet.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
You're not gonna be in that rut.
Speaker 8 (53:08):
Crazed phase of you know, one two three year old
deer just running everywhere and chasing. But when you do
see a buck, there's an elevated chance that it's gonna
be a mature dear.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
So you know, those sits can get tough.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
You know, you're you're definitely entering the more likely of
lockdown phase. I think you know from today November seventh
all the way through that fifteenth is when you know
a lot of the dos are gonna come into Estris,
so you're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Some empty sits.
Speaker 8 (53:32):
You know, if you haven't ever been skunked deer hunting,
you're either really blessed or you ain't.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Been hunting enough. So you know, I would say stay
out there. And one thing that I've.
Speaker 8 (53:43):
Really started to key in on in the last couple
of years is water. You know, like I think water
can be better than a dang bait pile. There's one
thing that deer need to do every single day, and
that is drink water.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
They can go a day.
Speaker 8 (53:57):
Without eating, they can go, you know, a day without
doing whatever that a deer does, except water. So we
have a couple strategic, you know, pieces of water on
our property, and we also have a creep that runs
through it. But I saw a really interesting post recently
that resonated with me that deer don't prefer to drink
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from moving water for a couple of reasons. A there's
there's noise to it, right, and when a deer is drinking,
their head is down, their nose is in the water.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
They're completely reliant on their ears.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
And so I've noticed at the properties that I hunt
that have running water, deer seem to prefer little still ponds,
you know, twenty gallon buckets that are buried in the ground,
and that's exactly what we have at this Iowa farm.
We got three or four, you know, ten to twenty
gallon buckets that we're definitely going to be filling up
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the first couple of days here, and I'm gonna be
keying in on that water, especially in those warmer late mornings.
You know, a buck before he goes back to bed,
and the first thing he does when he gets up,
he's probably gonna be looking for a drink. So with
the warmer temperatures, I would key it on water. If
you have moving water and that's all you got, go
on it. If you got still water, go on it.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I love it. Well. Jared, good luck here with an
Iowa tag already shot out Wisconsin buck. It's a pleasure.
And keep keep checking in on the benchmarking the forecasting
app because that's an unfor like everyone's like, well they
have said this, so you guys are giving yeah, well, Jared,
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thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Appreciate it. Jake, good luck everybody.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
There, you guys have I hope you guys enjoyed this
week's episode of Retfresh. Good Luck over the next week.
I know conditions aren't perfect. You're probably tired, you're probably
questioning everything, you're questioning your preparation. But if there was
one theme here for today, it's a stick to it,
stick to it, hunt smart, and you're going to get
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the lucky balance, lucky break, or strategic break or a
strategic bounce that is going to help you finish out
this season or finish out this part of November before
things start to wind out. You know, we're on the
on the decline of the peak of the mountainous, Kevin said,
so be sure to capitalize it, enjoy this time period,
don't wish it away, and get out there and good luck.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
M
All right, folks, welcome back to Roughfresh. This is Jake
Koefer and we have a great episode here from a
handful of folks across the Midwest. We have Phil Lincoln,
Kevin Visson, Ben Mosley, and Jared Larson giving their most
recent RUT report for one of the most exciting weeks
of the year. And now we're approaching potentially a little
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bit harder, but still a great amount of opportunity here
coming up, and we're going to talk about some things
to consider. You still have that tag in your pocket,
you feel like you're struggling. Here's some words of encouragement
and some strategy that can help you over the next
seven days. I hope you guys enjoy it. As you know.
Rofresh is brought to you by land dot com, the
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or hunting properties here in the US. Let's go in
and get things started here with Phil Lincoln in Indiana.
All right, first up on the line, we have Phil Lincoln,
who recently tagged a buck in Indiana. Phil, how does
it feel? You know, it's always bittersweet, right, you know,
(01:10):
It's like it takes the pressure off. You know, the
hard work pays off. But at the same time, you know,
done in Indiana. Fortunately have a piece of property right
across the border in Illinois and have landowner tags, so
I just kind of get to focus on Illinois, which yeah, yeah,
it's it's a good thing. I saw your post on
I saw your post on Facebook, and I feel everyone
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has weird superstitions this time of year, because it feels like,
quite frankly, a little bit of luck is needed, whether
we all want to admit it or not, and you
bust it out your lucky half. How much do you
think that had to play into your success here? Well,
I mean, yeah, who knows. I think, you know, with everything,
we make our own luck. You know, I was in
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a based on the time of the year, I was
in a rut funnel, and you know I shot a
buck that I may or I mean, I have on camera.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
So you know, the one thing about a rut funnel.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Is and especially if you're connected to a big chunk
of woods, you know, you got deer moving you you know,
you may see the bucks that you have on camera
and you may see totally different ones, so you know,
and so uh, this breakdown that funnel is for someone
to understand it. Did you have where was your sat blowing?
Do you think there was bedding nearby? Kind of just
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paint that picture if you can, so people can get
understanding what worked for you. So so I think there's
so I'm in a in a in a river bottom
and it's a it's a section of the river that
that chokes down pretty tight, right, So you got water
that's got some real steep banks that they're clearly not
you know, they're not crossing the creek in that point.
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And then I'm on a Depending on which direction the
wind's blown, whether it's got north and south in it,
dictates which side of it I'm sitting on the anything
with south in it, I'm sitting on the north side
on a flat that's covered with oaks. And the only
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downside to that is if they're eating a lot of acorns,
they can they can get behind you. The downside to
that is is I almost can't shoot all the way
across the pinch point. If the wind is in the
opposite direction and I'm on the other side close to
you know, basically sitting close to the creek, I can
shoot the whole thing, because I'm not all the way over.
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The downside is I've got across the path of the
deer going back and forth to get there. So that's
where sink control is really critical. I was on the
north side of the rut funnel and at one point
I saw the buck that I thought was him come
out of the come between the CRP and a finger
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of trees that I shot a good buck out of
a few years ago. And I saw him come and
I got excited and I thought, Oh, that looks like
a would be a shooter. And then he kind of
like turned like he saw some deer, and I saw
his tail.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
I saw him run off, and I thought, oh crap.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
And then a little while later, probably like an hour later,
I'm watching up the funnel and I don't see much.
I see a couple of doos come through, and then
I'm sitting there and I'm just kind of like thinking
do I stay or do I go? And I hear
I hear something and I look down like right there,
(04:30):
like already in range like twelve twelve yards from the
base of my tree, and I see antlers and I
see a tail twitch and I'm like, holy cow, where
did he come from.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I mean I didn't even hear him, and he just
walked right underneath me.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
I mean when I shot him, I was shooting, you know,
not quite straight down, but like seven yards from the
base of the tree in high you know, out low,
and I literally watched him go like that and flop over.
So love it. Well, congratulations, So you were you were
a guide in Alaska, and I feel like an unspoken
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rule of a guide is to keep morale high and
maybe not so like when when your hunter's in there
and he's you know, spell this time or money, and
you know it's gone from work, one from his family
and you're struggling. What do you say to the guys
listening right now that feel you know, they've been hunting
really hard and just things haven't been going the way
they need to. We're are entering arguably the lockdown period
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here between the twelfth and nineteenth. What do you say
to a guy that's like Phil, I don't know, I'm struggling.
So in Alaska, like moose hunting or brown bear hunting
or caribou hunting, it can be like two or three
days of slow and nothing before bam, something happens where
white tail hunting. You know, sometimes half a day or
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a few hours can seem like a lifetime of nothing happening, right.
But what I have found, some of the biggest trophies
I've killed in my life have been shifting my attitude
towards hunting with friends and allowing them to take the
first trophies because they've either never done it before or
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never killed one. And what I've found is a lot
of times being patient works out, works out to your benefit.
And it usually it seems like whether you're sitting in
the white Tail woods or just spending day after day glassing,
you know, call and moose, waiting for a big bull
to walk in. About the time you really think why
am I doing this, all of a sudden bam, something
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happens and you know, there's that flurry of excitement for
you know, however long, and you either take advantage of
it or you don't. But yeah, usually about the time
you're really thinking about giving up is usually when your
luck changes it. You know, if you're really serious and
you're actually putting the time in, it's it's bound to
happen eventually.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
It's just it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That's great advice.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Is there any.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Is there anything that sticks out to you to be
you know, maybe one of the most important things that
hunting this this next week of November, between the twelfth
and nineteenth, it looks like temperatures are going to be
kind of elevated for this upcoming weekend. You know, with
all that considered, uh, where is kind of your hat at?
I think I would give you know, probably the you know,
the generic answers you'd get from most any you know,
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whitetail guy that time a period. So in Indiana this
year that is Saturdays, actually the opening weekend of gun
in Indiana. And even if I even if I haven't
shot my one buck in Indiana, sometimes I'll gun hunt.
Sometimes I just kind of wait for the madness to
be over and then go back into bow hunting mode.
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Or I'll put on a red cap, which you usually
you know, you have to wear red to bow hunt.
But I would say, you know, I would switch off
to the you know, the thickets between you know, bedding
and food and you know, catch the catch those bucks
that are looking for that next dough you know where
where you know, I mean back back in the thick,
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you know where you're not like bumping deer out of bedding.
But you're not necessarily in the destination food plots either.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
The the problem with hunting food plots is is you know,
you blow dose out of food plots and you can
you can change that spot for a week or several
days or maybe the whole season where you know, if
you can get between the food and the bedding, usually
you're catching deer going through and you know, when it
gets dark, you can say, Okay, now's my chance.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Gather up your stuff, get down the tree.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
And you know, if you've got if you've got good
access and you know in and out, that's going to
be your safest bet to you know, low impact, but
still catch you know, those bucks, you know, frantically looking
for the you know, for that next dough. And I mean,
if you've got a high dough population, you know, you
may not see much cruising looking for those doughs at all.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
They may not have to go far to get them.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
And I think that's I think that's what I'm that's
that's what I'm dealing with here in Indiana. I think
we just have too many dos and I think it's
you know, it's just really cut down on the amount
of buck movement in general. Yeah. Now, I think that's
important too, because I feel that, you know, the deeper
the season gets, the more desperate people get where they're like, oh, yeah,
you know, I don't really care if I scare some deer.
(09:22):
I have to get back here. I have to get
you know, like make you know, forget the fundamentals and
dis inherently make it harder on themselves. So I think
that's a great piece of advice for folks to remember
the fundamentals and keep keep You got to be there
to win, right, You got to be out there to
have an opportunity. But I still want to not make
it harder for yourself. So I'm going to tell you
something that I'd never talked about before, but I think
it's the biggest mistake that people make going into the woods.
(09:44):
And I've done I've done a bunch of research on this,
and I've done a little bit of writing. I haven't
come up with a a sale of the story.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
But you know, how we sneak into our tree stands.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, we're meticulous about keeping our boots clean and
our pant legs clean, and we're not touching the weeds
as we're walking through the woods and we're like, uh,
you know, got to get to my stand without leaving
any scent.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You go there, and then you know.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Later in the morning you got a three year old
dough walks exactly. Your path comes to the base of
your tree, sifts around, and it maybe goes on about
her business or whatever, and you think, how in the
world can she smell me? Right, I mean, we've all
been there, We've all been there, and I can tell
you the most overlooked thing I think that everybody is
dealing with.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
It's your breath. Interesting, it's your breath.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Nobody talks about it, nobody covers it. Yet that's how
bloodhounds find people is breath, breath and skin cells. So
the more you can cover up, long sleeves, gloves, cover
your face. I've started. I started wearing a mask to
my tree stamp. Right. So it's hard to sit in
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a tree stamp a guy with glasses, it's hard to
sit for long periods of time because your glasses fog up.
It just sucks. I mean, it takes all it takes
all the remaining fun right out of it. Right, But
for me now, I don't want to leave any scent
between the truck and the base of my tree. When
I get up there, my, you know, my, my, my, uh.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
My breathing has relaxed.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
I'm not expelling as much moisture whatever, so I don't
pay as the closest attention to it. Although I've seen
I've seen Jim Browker sit in a tree stand with
a charcoal mask on and and literally cover his face.
So when when when I go into my tree and
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I have deer completely around me in my downwind and
I don't have dose stomp and I don't have any blown,
I don't have any carrying on, and then my trail
cameras show pictures of bucks and doze in the same
area around where I've been. I feel pretty confident that
the day before, when I was in there, I didn't
have much impat Everybody knows every time you hunt a
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tree stand, the quality of that stand just goes down
a little bit more, a little bit more, a little
bit more. But when you don't see deer reacting to
you being there, I mean, it's not a guarantee that
you haven't degraded that stand. Because I think anything can
make a difference. The other thing that I learned too,
is not only is it your breath, but then it's
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also things that don't belong there. I hunted Kansas with
some bear clients a number of years ago. I hunted
two years in a row, and every day when i'd
walk into this stand, there was this huge puddle that
when I turned off the main road and turned to
go back into the woods to my tree stand, there
was this big there was this big puddle, and so
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I thought, this is years ago. I thought, being a
smart guy that I was, I'd get in there and
scrub my boots real good and wash off anything that
they might have picked up in the bed of the
truck or whatever, you know, get them all wet, and
then I screwed off into the woods, pimb up my
tree stand and think, okay, here I go. And in
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some cases I think I was doing more harm by
stepping in that puddle than I was if I would
have just walked down the gravel road, turned down my
path with dry boots and just went in. Because now
what was happening is I'm introducing water and whatever scent
was in that puddle from cars driving through whatever. I
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actually added more scent, more things that didn't belong to
my boots boom and scattered it right to my right,
to my stand. Yeah, but I'm telling you the breath,
the breath, The breath is big. That's interesting. Well, nobody
talks about it, but it's your breath test. Yeah, Google,
(13:47):
how does the bloodhound find a last person? And they'll
tell you it's their breath and skin cells. And we
all know that white tailed deer have better nose than
a bloodhound. So as long as you're leaving. I had
an experiment. I put a white masth like we all
wore during COVID. I took off from the truck, I
went to my tree stand, I climbed up. When I
got all settled, and I took it off. And when
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I took that white mask off, I had a puddle,
a puddle like moisture ran dripped out. So all that
moisture that was contained in that mask would have been
scattered between the base of my tree and the truck.
That's interesting, well, people, Yeah, people can people can test
this theory and see if they have less dear follow them.
So knowing the phase of November right now, knowing weather
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isn't you know a plus here for the next seven
days scale one to ten. Where do you put this
next weekend? Oof? Well, and I mean Indiana they're going
to slaughter him because his gun season.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
It's the middle of the rud. I mean, it's just
a tragedy.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
But I'm not seeing I'm not seeing I'm not seeing
the numbers of older age class deer this year that
I have pretty consistently in the past. So I don't
know if EHD has taken more of a hit this
year than it has in the past. If it's just
the you know, the full moon and then working at
night and and you know, the warmer weather being less movement,
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If I'm just was really sucky about my trail cam
location since this year, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
But to me it's an off year. It to me,
it's it's been hard to get excited.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
You know, people start getting excited about trail camp pictures
over beans in July and then August, and then you
know they get hard horned and you get the you
get the dispersal and they're like, oh, oh, my big
deer are gone, or holy cow, one just showed up.
I never worry about that stuff until like the first
of October, and then I don't get excited until you know,
the twenty fifth of October. If I don't have pictures
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of bucks by the twenty fifth of October, now I'm
starting to kind of Now I'm kind of starting to
panic a little bit. And that's kind of the way
it's been like since the twenty fifth of November. So,
I mean, I don't want to be a Debbie downer,
but for me, I you know, I'm gonna keep hunting
Illinois and keep my fingers crossed. But it's you know,
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with with even more warm weather, I think it's just
going to be more of the same. I mean, I
think I think there's gonna be a lot of deer
killed just because it's the one time of the year
the bucks will make a mistake and and you know,
not be as vigilant going through the woods, and people
are gonna, you know, people are going to hammer them.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
So one of ten, where do you put it?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Ah?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Six, Okay, I think we had another. I think we
had another six in this patch. But well, Phil, congratulations
once again, and good luck in Illinois and appreciate it.
People can pay attention to their skin cells and their
breath and maybe you're onto something.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I think I'm onto something.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Next up we have Kevin Visison with Deer Hunter Podcasts,
who just tagged a perfon that's no best buck in Michigan.
Is that right?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
How's it feel?
Speaker 4 (17:04):
It feels phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (17:07):
It was a real It was a real emotional rollercoaster.
Speaker 6 (17:11):
I hit a buck bad on Tuesday, hit him high,
backstrapped him, and come to find out, when I got
down out of the tree and started looking around, by
site was loose. It was like fifteen yards. It was
a chip shot. It was an absolute slam dunk chip shot.
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I had, I've got everything on film, but I got
down and there was no blood, and so.
Speaker 5 (17:39):
I watched the footage back.
Speaker 6 (17:40):
I'm like, well, I definitely hit that deer high and
my site had come loose. So I already had PTSD
going from Tuesday and then Wednesday evening it was super
high winds, so I tucked into some thermal cover on
a down wind side of a small mountain. Basically that
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I assumed some does were betting on and that there
might be some bucks kind of cruising through this area,
and I just, you know, you gamble, and I picked
the wrong trail. I was hoping that he was going
to take the primary trail that was going to be
between me and the dough betting, but he picked the
one just behind me, which was on the down wind
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side of me. He came in on the down wind
side of me, so I was kind of worked up.
Plus I'm in a saddle and he was on my
weak side, so I had I was matured deer at
twenty yards unannounced to me. I look back, he's right there,
so I'm like, oh my gosh, get my bow.
Speaker 5 (18:40):
Come over my bridge.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Lutily, luckily there was some pines, so he as he's
walking past me, he's going through some pines and I
was able to get away with a lot of movement.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
So I came over my bridge. But still is very acrobatic.
Speaker 6 (18:55):
And you know you when you practice shooting, you're in yard,
you got good form.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Like everything's this was the complete opposite.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
It was totally.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
It was.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
It was, and I realized that before I let the
arrow go that I was right.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
It was in a terrible position. I did what I
could to straighten myself out.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
I took an extra second and I really settled the
pin and I was conscious about that because I just
had a bad scenario and I didn't want to have
another one. But I let the arrow go. It sounded
really good, it looked really good. But it happened well.
I have it all on a film.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
It was twenty nine seconds from the time I saw
the deer to the time I let the arrow go.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
When I got down to the impact site, there was
no blood.
Speaker 5 (19:52):
The arrow had blood on it, but there was no blood.
Speaker 6 (19:54):
And I could see where the deer had turned up
the pine leaves running and I went like twenty five
yards and there wasn't a single drop of blood.
Speaker 5 (20:02):
And I I just instantly just went to the deep, deep.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Down bottoms of Oh my gosh, how could I have
How could this have happened? And so what ended up
happening is I think when I hit him, so he
was quartering to a little bit, and he was very close,
my entry was high and my exit was very low,
like in.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
His armpit on the off side armpit.
Speaker 6 (20:28):
His leg was forward, and when that arrow came out,
I think when he ran, his leg came back and
covered the exit and it was like really tight to
where it held all the blood in until the blood
came up the cavity all the way to the high entry,
because we went almost one hundred yards on little pinpricks of.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
Blood and then like someone opened a faucet.
Speaker 6 (20:57):
And the next fifty yards was just a basically a
drug out puddle of blood and he was laying right there.
And so I went from the lowest of lows to
the highest of highs and had like, if anybody wants
to get me a Christmas gift, I could use a
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subscription to a mental health clinic.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
Come out coming out of it.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
That's November, November, white tales and a nuts.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
I'm telling you, I'm telling you, man, it's a lot,
it's a lot. I had a good friend with me,
and we celebrated accordingly, and it was a big emotional dump.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
But yeah, I'm going to weigh.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
The deer tomorrow.
Speaker 6 (21:40):
I suspect he's maybe going to weigh around two hundred
and twenty five pounds.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
You know, he's a wilderness deer.
Speaker 6 (21:45):
He's never had a bite of corn or any kind
of egg or anything like that. So yeah, it's it's
it's still I guess it's less common for you know,
deer that live in that type of situation to put
on a ton.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Of win eight mass.
Speaker 6 (22:00):
You know they're they're really they put a lot of
their time and energy into just surviving.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah. So yeah, no, that's awesome, man, congratulations and super exciting.
So still have a tag and so looking at here,
you know, I think, you know, the first we're getting
into the first the first quarter of November is over.
So like more than likely people that listeners dud. They've
been hunting hard, they've been hunting every chance they get,
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and maybe things haven't gone quite the way they were hoping.
And so now from the twelfth of the nineteenth, what
do you say to that guy that's like, Man, I'm struggling.
I'm struggling. I'm starting to get in my own head.
I'm forgetting the fundamentals of what I need to be
doing this time of year. For that guy, what do
you tell them?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
I I you know, I grew up. I'm like fast
and furious.
Speaker 6 (22:53):
And there's a quote when the young guy's drag Race
and the old guy and he hits the nitrous too
soon and he doesn't make it to the finish line,
and then Dominic Turetto says, too soon, Junior, and then
he hits it at the end and he wins. Social
media really accelerates people's thinking. I think now that they
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gotta get it done. Everybody's getting it done. I haven't
got it done. And you're you are right. We are
coming to the peak of the mountain. So you you
climb up the peak of the mountain and we'll call
the peak of the mountain. We're probably there right now
as we're recording this. It's what the seventh, It's Bill Winkie.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Day, It's National Tree Stand Bill Winki Day.
Speaker 5 (23:42):
Yeah, I had a buck hanging from my back tree.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
Bill Winky left me broadheads under it. But we got
a whole downside of the mountain to come down and
it doesn't get bad for a long time.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
I took.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
My whole point is I wouldn't be an any state
of panic in any capacity.
Speaker 5 (24:03):
I if you give me.
Speaker 6 (24:05):
An option to hunt from November fifteenth to the end
of the year or November fifteenth to October first, I
would take November fifteenth to the end of the year.
Easy decision for me. I know a lot of the
deer have been killed, but I feel like a lot
of the bigger and smarter deer that have made it
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through a deer season they have made it through a
deer season and I've just had a lot of success
late season. I feel like the woods empties out. And
I also think it's worth mentioning. I've heard a lot,
and it's for years people say lockdown, lockdown, lockdown, like
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it's a bad thing. Lockdown that I love. Lockdown, Like
you're telling me the deer is in a place like
and he's staying there.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
That's a gift. So and when the deer.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Lockdown, it's like a dog with a bone and another
dog goes to it and it's guards it. Those deer
almost get like in zombie mode where you can almost
like go in and throw stuff at them and they
won't leave.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yeah, they won't leave.
Speaker 5 (25:20):
So when the.
Speaker 6 (25:22):
Lockdown lockdown phase happens, the deer do stop ranging quite
so much. But if you know where the dough betting
is and where the heavy cover is and where a
buck wants to push a dough to breed them, you
just got to get into those spots and you can
literally walk in on those deer and push them out
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of there.
Speaker 5 (25:45):
And they don't.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Like to leave. They don't like to leave. So if
you're a mobile hunter and you have flexibility. I understand
that if you are sitting over you know, maybe a
food source, and you're not mobile, and the deer aren't
moving as much, and they're not willing to run across
the open field in the middle of the day because
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they're tucked up in heavy cover with a dough. But
I like to hunt that heavy cover, so I guess,
you know, to put a bow on that. I love
what's coming, like, I'm excited for what's coming. Plus, our
gun season opens November fifteenth, m hm, So it's almost.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Basically another basically another Michigan national holiday. You guys have
a lot of holidays in November that a lot of
people don't recognize. You got Bill Winkie Day, and you
have opening Day a gun season in Michigan.
Speaker 6 (26:44):
Yeah, November fifteenth is a special day and it marks
the kickoff of our gun season. And then where I live,
I get it's a rate around the same time where
I start to get snow.
Speaker 4 (26:57):
So it's a big reset for me.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
It opens up a whole new deer season because I
can start tracking and doing some things that I can't
do without snow. I know that that's you know, not
for every everybody doesn't have that situation. But I really
love when we get to that time of the year.
But the best is the best is yet to come
in in my opinion, and I love If I had
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to pick one week, I would pick the week of Thanksgiving.
Every time, I've had more big deer walk during daylight
hours and the last week of November historically than anything
else that I see through the year. And we get
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you know, we get hundreds or thousands of video and
photo submissions from people that use our synthetic scent products.
The sample size that I have seen is with our
community is very It lines up with what I have
seen personally, and a lot of deer, big deer late
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November because like I said, they've been through a deer
season before, they've been chased before. You know, they've been
through it for three or four years, and they know
how to they know how to slide through that period
and they understand a lot of people I think are
out of the woods by that time of year, and
they get one, they get there's less people in the woods,
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and two we come down the backside of the mountain,
there's not as many doughs like uh.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
I've experienced multiple times where I'm mature.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
Dose dose will go to Bucks like they don't even
have to go out and run crazy to breed, right,
But that might not be the case come like November
twenty if through twenty fifth, something like that. And I've
just consistently seen it for years where that is such
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a golden opportunity. But a lot of people like I said,
too soon, Junior's.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
That's perfect, perfect way to describe it. So either go
get another boost of nitrous the remainder of this month,
or realize that it is truly a marathon and not
a sprint. As cliche as that sounds, it's it is.
Speaker 6 (29:23):
You can't just start a marathon off sprinting, or you're
not gonna make it. And you got to be conscious
that social media will lead you to believe that everybody's
got their buck and the thing is over.
Speaker 5 (29:37):
But it's it's you know, it's not the case.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I love it. Well, congratulations once again, Kevin. Uh. When's
when's the footage gonna go live? Is it next year?
This year? Soon?
Speaker 6 (29:49):
I imagine we'll put something short format together here in
the uh in the coming weeks just so people can
have a look at it. But we we have a
Hunt series on our YouTube at Deer Hunter Podcast, and
I'll save the long format story for next year and
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then hopefully you have even bigger one.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:14):
Wrap my next tag around to love it bigger one
here in the coming weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
So love it well. Congratulations was again uh and man,
good luck on the next one.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
Thanks Jake.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
All right, we got Ben Moseley with White Tail Lane
Designs who just smoked his target buck in Wisconsin. How
does it feel?
Speaker 7 (30:36):
It feels pretty good. Feels good like a big weight
off your shoulders. A lot of people knew about.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
That, dear, so a lot of people were hunting that
same dear.
Speaker 4 (30:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
He I mean prior to that, he'd been shot at twice.
So neighbor neighbor just over the hill shot at him.
They've got a stand right on our fence line, m so.
And then and then I shot at him too.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
If you had a swing and a miss, I had
a swing.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
And a miss.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
It was like it was the like when was it
the eighth, no seventh or the eighth of October? I
just found him, like on the first and I had
to leave to drive back down to Louisiana and then
we were going to Hawaii. For my wife's birthday. So
he comes out fifty five yards. I'm like, oh, I can,
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I can do this, set my sight and then I
intentionally hang hold low and I watched the air like
as it goes, I'm like, that's low shit it the
fletching must have touched is his hair, and he just
jumps and pretty thick cover. He went like ten yards
and then disappeared and walked about twenty yards for me,
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but in a bunch of really thick stuff and just
walked off. But uh, he was back on camera the
next day in the same area. He had no idea,
but I'd set my site pin in the rush of
it everything because he was in such thick like CRP.
I'd set it at fifty one and I said it
right at fifty five, pretty sure you would.
Speaker 4 (32:09):
Have been dead. But whatever, right I shot him, it.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Still worked out. Yeah, So let's talk about it. So
it's November seventh, right now. You connected with them on
November sixth. What's the activity been like as far as
you know, Like, let's say, what was November fourth and fifth,
and then obviously sixth it came together here, But what's
been the activity here?
Speaker 7 (32:33):
Okay, So November fourth. I mean, we've had really high
winds up here, so it was pretty slow. Evenings have
been really slow up here in general camera activity. Everybody
talking about it, just because of the really high winds
that we have, warmer temps than normal.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
Mornings have been pretty good.
Speaker 7 (32:49):
November fifth, I saw the buck and he'd actually gone
into my parents' yard.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I'll send you the video. It might actually be on
my Instagram.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
I forgot, but my dad said, up a decoy down
there is like, hey, let's just see what happens. And
he's drinking his morning coffee looking out the front window.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
A little buck.
Speaker 7 (33:06):
Comes down, and then he comes down, He squares up
with the decoy, sends the decoy flying, and then walked
twenty yards from the house.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
So and then he walked back up the hill.
Speaker 7 (33:19):
Walks towards me, and he skirts me about fifty some
yards just in thick cover and goes and beds down.
And then I didn't I saw him again later that
night on the other side of the farm at like
eight pm on camera.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
SO and so governing some distance obviously a RT mentality
that he's fighting decoys in the yard. And then on
the six kind of walk us through that game plan
on how you set up and made it happen.
Speaker 7 (33:49):
Okay, So I have a stand. It's about one hundred
yards from this house. And the way this property is
is it's you You're basically hunting from the inside out.
It's it's not like you're accessing from your normal roads
or your egg fields. So I have this stand that
is east of the house, about maybe one hundred yards.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
It's down in the bottom. There's a pretty deep ditch.
Speaker 7 (34:13):
A lot of stuff has been pushed into it because
I did a lot of doser work up here to
open up the egg fields, and so deer just they
won't cross right there. And when you've got i mean
your sun rises from the east, and I've got a
great big rock formation up there that blocks the sun
this time of year until about ten ten thirty in
the morning, So thermals don't do what thermals will normally
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do and start rising.
Speaker 4 (34:36):
They're they're rushing, so rushing down the hill.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
So as long as I've got a steady, calm east wind,
nothing's gonna nothing's gonna win me. So that's where I said,
and I actually almost slept in for the first time
yesterday morning. But I have this this drive where if
I don't do it, it's gonna eat at me. So
I got to the stand probably like five minutes before light,
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and uh, shortly after setting up, I hear it Doe
blowing and this the doze in this area.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
They're getting really spooky.
Speaker 7 (35:14):
I've watched Doe and Fawns blow at Bucks already this year,
so I'm assuming she's being her assed. And uh, shortly later,
about ten minutes after I hear it blowing, she walks
twenty yards in front of me on a logging road
and she stops and she stares, and I'm like, okay,
she looks like she's looking at me, but I can
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tell she's looking through me. I'm like, there's something behind me,
but I can't hear anything or just off to my right.
And finally I hear a really deep, deep grunt and
she sits there and stares some more and starts blowing again.
So I'm like, okay, like that, it's got to be him.
My assumption is is him. They seem to kind of
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push everything out of the area except for a few
year and a half.
Speaker 4 (35:59):
Year old Bucks.
Speaker 7 (36:01):
And she walks off and I see I finally see
him out of the corner of my eye. And I
see him. I'm like, he's coming right for the tree.
I'm like, please do not walk behind me. I'm like,
if you walk behind me, you're gonna win me. Because
my thermals were right there. But there's one little narrow
path like three feet he would have been right on
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the tree. He ended up bearing and he went in
front of the tree. I watched him through the platform.
I'm sitting watching them through the platform walk underneath me.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
He's locked on the dough.
Speaker 7 (36:33):
His eyes are locked on the dough, and I finally
just slowly stand up, grab my bow and shoot him
hardquartering away at fifteen yards and he piles up on
the logging road of it after fifty yards and.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
Pretty Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Yeah, that's fun. Yeah, that's that's what November is all about,
those moments right there, that's what everyone's working towards. And
so for folks that still have their tag in their pockets,
so I want you to shift gears to November twelfth. Yeah,
so it's November twelfth, we still have a tag in
your pocket. Maybe something didn't quite go right, maybe you
feel like you're hunting a ghost. What would you tell
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that person for this upcoming week, so November twelfth to
the seventeenth.
Speaker 7 (37:17):
Keep on with the grind. I tell a lot of
people like the rut. The rout really sucks. Really when
you think about it, it's not super fun to hunt
because you're in you're sitting there, and it can be
extremely boring. I mean, hours on stand the dos have
been harassed to the point where they just don't want
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to get her assed anymore. So they're kind of hanging tight.
You're waiting for one buck to get up and move through.
Maybe you'll see like a yearling every once in a while,
but then all of a sudden, you've got like thirty
seconds of just crazy action. Your heart gets beating, and
then it's dead again. That's what everybody's waiting for. You
just got to keep a positive mindset, keep with grind,
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keep your butt planet in a tree stand. Do not
sit there and like hunt based off of camera intel,
because if you have a buck on camera, you already
missed him.
Speaker 4 (38:11):
He's gone, he went through that area.
Speaker 7 (38:14):
And honestly, running cameras and funnels is kind of hard
because usually, I mean a funnel doesn't always bottleneck down
to like ten yards to where camera is really effective.
Speaker 4 (38:24):
It's probably a fifty sixty.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Yard wide funnel and the bucks just kind of run
through there.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, that's I think Tho's really good advice as far
as maybe someone's struggling on man, you know it the
activity is slowing down, and you know the dose are
definitely harassed. I've definitely pressured the farm. Like these are
things that all going through their mind right now. Is
there any odd ball, throw a dart idea that you
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have for someone that's just like, dude, I've tried everything,
I've hunted my spots, and I'm seeing less and less, dear,
and I just I feel out of the game. Do
you stick with the plan or do you call an
audible or tear through and scout a little bit?
Speaker 7 (39:13):
I mean, scouting at this time of year, to me
is kind of a crap shoot because if you go
and you find a bunch of rubs, more than likely
those rubs were done either when he was with the
dough and frustrated and he's already moved on from that area,
or they were done most likely late October when they are.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Rubbing a lot, or really early in November when they're rubbing.
Speaker 7 (39:36):
A lot scrapes. They kind of fall off the scrapes.
I'll actually notice a lot of bucks on camera this
time of year. They'll actually skirt on the down wind
side of scrapes and I'll just scent check it real quick,
unless it's a scrape they've never visited before. I've got
videos of this buck actually even walking by a scrape
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that I know they've never been to before, and they'll
put the brakes on and then they'll go visit it.
But then after that they'll treat it like every other
scrape and they'll just walk past it and.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Check it.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
So I would just say the best thing for you
is to plant your butt in a funnel. If there's
a water hole on it, that's even better, because that's
like the one thing that Bucks will go out of
their way for this time of the year is water.
Stay off the food sources, because if there's any does
on food sources, it's really late at night in my
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area for cameras. I'm starting to just see on my
farms just fonns wandering by themselves, a year and a
half year old bucks moving quite a bit, so that
kind of tells me that they're with DOES, right now
or a lot of doughs. So I'm guessing here, in
about twenty four to forty eight hours, I'm gonna see
a big flurry of activity on those cameras of newer
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Bucks running through, going all over the place, and it's
going to be another another forty eight to seventy two
hours of nothing.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, looking here the extended forecast Saturday, November fifteenth, high
of sixty nine here in north central Illinois. What do
you say for that guy that has the Saturday off.
He's like, it's November fifteenth, it's almost seventy degrees. Do
I even go? What do you say to that guy?
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Don't use that as an excuse not to go.
Speaker 7 (41:24):
The biggest book I've ever killed was on Halloween in
nineteen mile an hour winds and it was seventy degrees
that day and he was bumping doze all over the place.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
Okay, so stick with them, Yeah, just stick with it.
Speaker 7 (41:37):
This time of year, anything can happen. It's just a grind.
I mean, you just have to be in the stand.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
To do it.
Speaker 7 (41:48):
That's everybody loves the rut because it's when the most
action happens. And I just yeah, temperature definitely helps movement,
but I think it's helping the doze moving than the
bucks have to kind of keep up with them. But
when that dough gets up after she's locked down with him,
that buck's gonna get up and he's gonna he's gonna
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move and maybe just a short distance, but maybe that's
all it takes.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yeah, So looking, you know, knowing that we're gonna have
some elevated temperatures between the twelfth and call it, I
guess the nineteenth. On a scale one to ten, what
what would you put this? This is that becoming week
as far as potential big buck activity.
Speaker 7 (42:33):
So we here we actually have a huge cold front
coming I think.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
This weekend. But yeah, so we gotta this will go
live on the twelfth.
Speaker 7 (42:43):
Okay, okay, okay, yeah, I mean elevated temperatures Again, anything
can happen.
Speaker 4 (42:51):
Does it suck? Yeah? Are they gonna move a little
bit more at night? Can it happen? Yeah?
Speaker 7 (42:56):
The chips aren't exactly stacked completely in your favor, but
it's all right. The rut stop. Just I really dislike
like hunting forecast apps. I want to if you if
you take like a bunch of them, you compare themselves.
They contradict each other all the time, and then you'll
do that. Yeah, You'll sit there and you'll look at
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it and be like, oh, this says it's a good day,
and then all of a sudden, thirty minutes later, it
says it's slow.
Speaker 4 (43:23):
And so.
Speaker 1 (43:25):
Scale one to ten. Yeah, scale one to ten with
elevated temps from the twelfth to nineteenth. Where do you
put it? You gotta we gotta put a hard number on.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
It, probably like six.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
Okay, all right, probably it's sick.
Speaker 7 (43:36):
I'm not gonna I'm not gonna give it like uh ten,
because again, you don't have the perfect temperatures.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
But it's the rut you.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Think it happened. Yeah, anything comes down to mindset. That's right. Well,
congratulations on tagging your target buck here man. That that
is awesome. That's what everyone's that's what everyone's chasing here.
So congratulations, you made it happen, and I appreciate you
hopping on here.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Yeah, no problem, all right.
Speaker 1 (44:01):
Next up on the line, we have Jared Larson with
on ex Jared, how was your November seventh?
Speaker 8 (44:07):
Uh? My November seventh was mostly in my car, but
I did get did get to the destination for an
evening sit. It was not overbly memorable, but we were.
It was exploratory, so it was it was solid, saw
some new ground, put the boots on some dirt.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
And uh, I'm feeling real good about the next week.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
I love it. I love it. And so you just
wrapped up a hunt in Wisconsin. What was the rud activity,
deer activity? What was going on up there?
Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (44:32):
I was in Wisconsin the last week and we had
some really good sits and some really tough sits. You know, personally,
I definitely am a little bit of a subscriber to
the full moon.
Speaker 3 (44:43):
Which obviously just kind of peaked full.
Speaker 8 (44:47):
And I really seem in my anecdotal personal experience that
waxing to the full I do a lot better on
the evening sits.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Uh, And that that held true this past week. I
shot a really good buck.
Speaker 8 (45:01):
And uh, I mean, he couldn't have cared less about
the dos in the field. He was just on a
marching mission, laying down scrapes. I mean he literally walked
five yards from you know, four dos and never even
looked at him.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
So, you know, I'll take him how I can get him.
But he wasn't too interested in the ladies.
Speaker 8 (45:20):
We had lots of young deer chasing, you know, a
year and a half, two and a half year old deer,
three and a half year old deer.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
But the mature bucks that we did.
Speaker 8 (45:27):
See, you know, really really weren't paying that close of
attention to the ladies.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
Interesting. Interesting, So what date did you shoot that buck?
Do you remember the shot?
Speaker 3 (45:39):
That book?
Speaker 8 (45:39):
On?
Speaker 1 (45:39):
November third?
Speaker 3 (45:40):
The evening of November.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Third, beautiful day. That's a great day to be a
deer hunter.
Speaker 3 (45:45):
That yep, it historically has been one of my best.
Speaker 1 (45:50):
Yeah. So going into Iowa. Now, so you you packed
up as November seventh, and how long do you are
you pointing to be hunting in Iowa?
Speaker 8 (45:58):
Yep, So I'll be in Iowa, i believe if Sunday
is the seventeenth, and I'll have to head back to
Montana on the seventeenth. So we got we got a
good full eight nine days of lundon here.
Speaker 1 (46:09):
Perfect, Okay. So obviously, unfortunately we're recording this, we have
like the cold front of the year where this is
likely going to be one of the best activity spurts
of the year. So when this goes live, hopefully everyone
has had so much success. They don't even have to
tune into rough Fresh because they don't need to know
what's going on, because I already tagged a giant. So
but for folks that didn't, so like November twelfth to
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the nineteenth, looking at some potential elevated temperatures, where's your
head at?
Speaker 3 (46:37):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (46:38):
You know, you know here and I will obviously as
you mentioned, that cold front is going to be passed
by that point, and I think we're looking at lows
in the like high twenties, low thirties, heating up to
the low sixties during the day, which I really don't
mind that for Iowa here, you know, the late mornings
is really what I'm going to be keyed up on again,
that waning moon after the full I really am a
(47:01):
firm believer in that eight thirty nine am to twelve
thirty one pm timeframe. I'm going to be really keyed
up on, you know, the down wind side of dough betting.
Speaker 6 (47:11):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (47:12):
And you know, being a guy just like you that
hunts a fair amount of public and a fair amount
of private, I one thing that lulls me to sleep
when I'm hunting private ground is I look at the
wind to not get busted by deer, rather than looking
at the wind to understand how a deer is going
to use that wind. And so that's really something I
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always have the option to go mobile if the wind
is going to be you know, let's say we have
a west wind, I'm really going to be keyed up
on those east faces where those deer can put the
wind at their back that security blanket. So I really
try to take my public land hunting mindset into private.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Land when I when I'm hunting the.
Speaker 8 (47:53):
Rut and just really focusing on what are those deer
going to be doing, how are they going to be
using that wind to their advantage, rather than just so
solely focused on playing the wind to not get busted.
I mean to be super candid with you, sometimes I
throw caution to.
Speaker 3 (48:09):
The wind this time of year.
Speaker 8 (48:12):
You know, if I have a spot that I am
hot to trot on and I just have a good
feeling about it, I'll hunt a bad wind this time
of year.
Speaker 3 (48:20):
And it's really the only time of year that I'll
do that.
Speaker 8 (48:22):
So that's what I'm gonna be keyed in on, especially
in the mornings, is you know that downwind side of
dough betting. I'm in some hillier country, so I'm gonna
use the topography to my advantage, using the light hour
feature on on X to really find those small nuanced draws, benches,
drainages where those deer can put the put the wind
at their back, and you know, find that good betting
and be down wind to that.
Speaker 3 (48:43):
And then in the evenings.
Speaker 8 (48:44):
You know, a lot of times I'll be pulling all
day sits for the most part, but that does not
mean I'm gonna be sitting in the same tree all day.
You know, I'll hunt a morning set on the down
wind side of dough betting, but then I'll move to
food h in the evening, trying to find those dos
because those bucks obviously are going to be keyed up
on those those major food sources. So where I'm at,
(49:04):
we don't have a whole lot of food plots, but
we got egg up the wazoo, as most people do
in Iowa. So I really prefer corn this time of
year over beans, so I'll be I'll be looking to
find some corn fields, find those edges, and you know,
early on finding those observation sets. It's hard to do
an observation sit sometimes when you're trying to kill them
(49:25):
during the rut, But it can really pay dividends to
just understand where those dos are coming from, because that
also gives you just that tip of the hat as
far as knowledge goes on where they're betting. That way,
you can just continually reposition yourself to be being the
best plot possible because even on private land, you know,
you think.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
You know it like the back of your hand, but
sometimes you can find just.
Speaker 8 (49:44):
A tricky little spot that that's kind of an aha,
light bulb moment.
Speaker 1 (49:49):
Yeah. Absolutely. How closely have you been paying attention to
the deer movement forecast and onyx have you been? Have
you been testing this each day? Like, well, this is
above average below average based off of because that's a
new that's a new feature that I think a lot
of people don't know about. You just clicked the weather icon.
I had to ask you how to do it. So
what have you been seeing with this? Has it been
matching up?
Speaker 3 (50:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (50:09):
So I've been trying to take daily screenshots like a
couple of days out for the deer movement forecast day of.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
And honestly, dude, I've been I've been pretty impressed.
Speaker 8 (50:19):
I would say that our deer movement forecast is maybe
a little bit pessimistic in our percent chance of movement,
but I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
I'd rather tell people they have a fifty percent chance
been one hundred percent chance.
Speaker 8 (50:33):
Because, as every single one of you listening knows, there
is no one hundred percent chance day. Uh and if
nothing else, you know, use that deer movement forecast as
that little subtle nudge to uh not watch football on
Sunday and get your butt out to a tree stand
if it's gonna be you know, above a forty percent movement.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Chance, you know.
Speaker 8 (50:52):
And it's all based on you know, data from machine learning,
trail camera photo intake, as well as all the typical
weather parameters barometric pressure, temperature, moon phase, all that stuff
goes into account.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
So I've definitely been paying attention to it.
Speaker 8 (51:08):
But as with any piece of technology, the only way
to not kill a deer is to not be hunting.
Speaker 1 (51:17):
Perfectly well said, that is the essence and epitome of
November deer hunting. But for the guy that's like, man,
I've just been getting my teeth kicked in. I'm do
I even know how to deer hunt, Like I'm doing
everything wrong is what it feels like. What do you
say to that guy, Because there's a lot of people
that are going to feel like this if they don't
capitalize on this cold front that happens before this goes live.
Speaker 9 (51:39):
You know, I think the word it's a grind gets
used a lot in the whitetail world especially, And at
the end of the day, if you're feeling like it's
a grind, take a day off, you know, sweep.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
In until eight thirty in the morning, go out there at.
Speaker 8 (51:53):
Nine am and hunt that like cruisan scent check in
time of the day, you know, if you're not having fun,
but like, take take a break. Hunting is supposed to
be fun. It's supposed to be enjoyable, you know. I
think everybody wants to chase that five and a half
six and a half, you know, seven and a half
year old deer. But at the end of the day, man,
if you're ready to loosen arrow and a three year
(52:14):
old walks by that you're excited about and you're gonna
be happy with and you're gonna be proud of, give
it to them.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
I love it. I love it so with knowing that
temperature as gonna be a little bit elevated. So hones
scale one to ten, where do you put the next
seven days? The twelfth of the nineteenth and ten being
the this is the best week ever, one being I'm
not even gonna go.
Speaker 8 (52:37):
Where I am in Iowa historically. You know, we've hunted
this farm for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
There is no better time.
Speaker 8 (52:46):
This is the time, you know, I would really kind
of bracket it from November ninth to November fifteenth as
like the best days where we're at in Iowa. But
I would say the later that November progresses, call it
like the fifteenth through the twenty second. What we've noticed
is more mature bucks are on their feet.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
You're not gonna be in that rut.
Speaker 8 (53:08):
Crazed phase of you know, one two three year old
deer just running everywhere and chasing. But when you do
see a buck, there's an elevated chance that it's gonna
be a mature dear.
Speaker 3 (53:17):
So you know, those sits can get tough.
Speaker 8 (53:20):
You know, you're you're definitely entering the more likely of
lockdown phase. I think you know from today November seventh
all the way through that fifteenth is when you know
a lot of the dos are gonna come into Estris,
so you're gonna have.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
Some empty sits.
Speaker 8 (53:32):
You know, if you haven't ever been skunked deer hunting,
you're either really blessed or you ain't.
Speaker 3 (53:38):
Been hunting enough. So you know, I would say stay
out there. And one thing that I've.
Speaker 8 (53:43):
Really started to key in on in the last couple
of years is water. You know, like I think water
can be better than a dang bait pile. There's one
thing that deer need to do every single day, and
that is drink water.
Speaker 3 (53:56):
They can go a day.
Speaker 8 (53:57):
Without eating, they can go, you know, a day without
doing whatever that a deer does, except water. So we
have a couple strategic, you know, pieces of water on
our property, and we also have a creep that runs
through it. But I saw a really interesting post recently
that resonated with me that deer don't prefer to drink
(54:17):
from moving water for a couple of reasons. A there's
there's noise to it, right, and when a deer is drinking,
their head is down, their nose is in the water.
Speaker 3 (54:26):
They're completely reliant on their ears.
Speaker 8 (54:29):
And so I've noticed at the properties that I hunt
that have running water, deer seem to prefer little still ponds,
you know, twenty gallon buckets that are buried in the ground,
and that's exactly what we have at this Iowa farm.
We got three or four, you know, ten to twenty
gallon buckets that we're definitely going to be filling up
(54:49):
the first couple of days here, and I'm gonna be
keying in on that water, especially in those warmer late mornings.
You know, a buck before he goes back to bed,
and the first thing he does when he gets up,
he's probably gonna be looking for a drink. So with
the warmer temperatures, I would key it on water. If
you have moving water and that's all you got, go
on it. If you got still water, go on it.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
I love it. Well. Jared, good luck here with an
Iowa tag already shot out Wisconsin buck. It's a pleasure.
And keep keep checking in on the benchmarking the forecasting
app because that's an unfor like everyone's like, well they
have said this, so you guys are giving yeah, well, Jared,
(55:34):
thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (55:35):
Appreciate it. Jake, good luck everybody.
Speaker 1 (55:37):
There, you guys have I hope you guys enjoyed this
week's episode of Retfresh. Good Luck over the next week.
I know conditions aren't perfect. You're probably tired, you're probably
questioning everything, you're questioning your preparation. But if there was
one theme here for today, it's a stick to it,
stick to it, hunt smart, and you're going to get
(55:58):
the lucky balance, lucky break, or strategic break or a
strategic bounce that is going to help you finish out
this season or finish out this part of November before
things start to wind out. You know, we're on the
on the decline of the peak of the mountainous, Kevin said,
so be sure to capitalize it, enjoy this time period,
don't wish it away, and get out there and good luck.
Speaker 6 (56:21):
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