September 9, 2025 • 31 mins
By the end of Edd's stand up set, Jodi walks out with the one name that could unlock the truth. But it would take years (and a lot of beer) for Edd Hedges to finally face the reality of that horrible night.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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on Wisecrack.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm going to tell you a story, right, and it's
gonna be one story all the way through. Everything I'm
going to tell you is completely true apart from three things.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
There are three lies in this story.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So on twenty second of July twenty and fifteen, about
half past ten, I leave the gig. I go to
my parents' house, wake up about twenty minutes after I
fell asleep, and at the end of my bed there
is someone standing. It's my mum. She's scared, she's really scared.
She says the words to me. Whatever you do, do
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not turn on the lives. Whoever's in the front garden
whatever's in the front garden. At this stage, I don't
know how many people, how many things, what it could be,
but my dad is looking at it and he won't
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go downstairs. Doesn't make sense, so I think, all right,
I'm gonna call the police. I find out what's going on.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I call the police. It rings a couple of times.
Someone answers.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I said, Hey, my name's Ed. I'm calling from forty
Benfield Avenue. Someone's banging on our front door. I think
it's a drunk but my parents are acting really weird
and it's kind of shaken me up.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Could you send an officer down just to check this out.
On the other end, the phone says, I'm sorry, where.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Did you say you were calling from? I said forty
Bentfield Avenue, just in sophrom Walden, and the officer says,
mister Hedges, we're very aware of the situation. Please barricade
yourself inside the house and do not engage with anyone
you meet. And then they hang up.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I'm like, rude. Fuck.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That first night in Edinburgh, my head was spinning and
I wasn't alone. Ed had just started his set like
any other stand up comedian, but suddenly we were all
side eyeing each other in the audience.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Should we laugh or brace ourselves.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I walk into the hallway back with my parents and
I said, guys, I've just called the police, and the
acting kind of odd, and my mum does this. I
go quiet, and I listened, and the banging has stopped,
and it's been the rep by the sound of footsteps
going down the front of our house and then the
sound of an old iron gate getting pushed open. I
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know the iron gate because that's the iron gate I
used to use when I come back from the pub
drunk with the cricket team.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I pushed the iron gate open.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'd walk down the side of my house into the
back garden and I would go into the back door
because the back door is always unlocked.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
The back doors always unlocked, and we can hear them
through the windows.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They go down the side of the house into the
back garden, walk up to the back door. They put
the hand on the door handle and they pull it
down and it doesn't go And the second it made
that chunk noise, my dad to my mum went, that
is why I did that.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I'm Jody Tovey.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And this is Wisecrack Episode two who's there.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There was an incident at this When I was a kid,
my dad took me to the fair. I've never been
before because I didn't really have any friends, and he
took me, my mum and him to the local fair.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They're not like your fairs. I've seen it. Your fairs
you fry everything. Can you throw people in the air.
We don't. We don't do that. We like to have fun.
And my dad was driving us to the fur. I
was so excited, and then we pulled over.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
In front of my aunt's house and my cousin, Jasper,
walked out.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And I was livid because I hate Jasper. We all
hate Jasper. I need you to be on board with me.
We hate Jasper. Right, He's such a weird kid.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was the kind of kid that would sit on
the bottom deck of a double decker right live a
little twat's so it's so weird.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I can't explain it.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He's he got into the car and he was wearing
a three piece suit to go to the fair.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh. I hate him so much, it makes me stronger.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We went to the fair. I'm only a couple of
years older than Jasper. At this point, I'm like turning.
He's like a and we're looking for something to go on,
and my dad's getting more and more annoyed. He's like,
I've taken a day off work. I've bought these kids
to the fair, not going on anything. What's the point
in this. I've had a day of work. I'm losing
a day's money. What is going on here? And after
a little while he kind of erupted. He was like, kids,
get on a ride. Now, we're going right home. And
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Jasa was like, we'll go on the dodgems. And you
don't know what the dodgems are. You call them bumper cars, right, cool?
Because you like to bump into them, but we like
to dodge them.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We're so similar.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Which had just stop stop fighting your silly gooses, Ah,
were called dodgems.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I got on.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I sat down in the bumper car. I was actually
quite excited. Jaspa setting next to me. He wasn't allowed
to drive because he's wearing a suit. And the second
I sit down, I see in front of me is
Ryan Goddard.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Ryan Goddard is Ed's childhood bully who relentlessly tormented him
all throughout grade school.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Now, at this point, Ryan Godard has been bullying me
for about four years.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I'm terrified of him. He's already like good at sport.
I am shitting my pants. I'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He sees me and starts heading straight for me and
me and Jasper and I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I've realized I had two options.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Either I bend down, I press the pedal and I
still around Ryan, or I hit him straight on. I
know my dad would prefer My dad would prefer me
to hit him straight on, to do the manly thing
to be, to be a man, to tackle.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The problem head on. But I wanted to go around him.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I just didn't want to have the conflict, and it
was an internal struggle for me. I was tossing up
between hitting him and going around him, Option A, Option B,
Option A, Option B. In the end, I went for
option C, which was undo my belt and leave the vehicle.
There is not a reality that exists where I can
describe how hard Jasper got hit by that car. And
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on that day, Jasper lost all of his front teeth.
He also broke his nose. My dad grabs Jasper, he
pulls him out of the car. He turns to me,
and he goes, you're a coward, and he said get
in the car, and I went right cool.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We got in the car. He was angry.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
He was angry than he's been for a long time.
I could feel the heat coming off the back of
his neck, that kind of anger where people are like
radiating energy. I sit in the car. Jasper's next to me.
His suit is now read. My mum sits in the
passenger seat. Does it's in the driver's seat. I'm sitting behind.
We start driving. We're driving at about eighty miles.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
My dad's angry and he was mumbling under his breath.
I could hear what he was mumbling. But he was like,
why can't he just be normal? Why can't he be
like the other kids? And my mom said, John, stop it,
and he said, why can't he be like any of
the other kids. Tony's boy was there, Ian, he was
playing sports. Jackie's daughter was there, she was going on
the slide. Susan's daughter was there. Ran he was like,
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he was there. They were all there, all the normal
kids were there, and I've got this one.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I was like, ah shit.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you see his set live, you quickly realize Ed
is actually performing three shows at once. The first show
is Ed's endearing comedy side splitting stories about growing up chubby, dyslexic, asthmatic,
and just kind of strange in a small town outside
of London. The second plot is Ed's retelling of this
terrifying night when he returned to his childhood village for
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the first time as an adult, years after leaving to
pursue his dreams of stand up comedy. After Ed finished
his show, he had a few pints with old friends,
walked back to his childhood home and passed out in
his small bedroom until he was awoken by his parents
and the violent knocking of an intruder trying to get
into the front door.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And then we hear them walk back up the pathway
into the front garden and it goes quiet.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But there is a third show going on. When he's
on stage. It's what Ed is not telling you. He's
already warned us that there are three lies built into
the show, and at this point in the set he's
only divulged one, but you can sense there's something yet
to be revealed.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And my mom tells to my dad and she says,
I think they've gone, And as she starts to say,
like the g in gone. The sound of someone drop
kicking our front door comes. First kick smashes the glass,
second kick, the wood starts to break. My mom grabs
me and my dad and pushes us into the toilet,
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shuts the door behind us, she locks it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
She's fully crying. At this point.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
She turns around to me and she says, Edward, promise
me you won't leave, promising you'll stay here. This is
the only room that has a lock and running water.
We'll be safe if we're just saying here. The sound
is getting louder. The wood is breaking. We can hear it.
Whoever's outside is breaking down the door. We can hear
it falling to pieces. My mum is crying, HI am panicking.
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My dad is sitting on the floor. And then I
realize it. I look at my dad and I realize it.
Why I couldn't get a grasp on what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
He was scared. How fucked is that? It's like twenty
three years old, and I just realized that my dad
was scared the first time in my life.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's this unit of a man. I'd never seen him
scared before. He is terrified. He can't control the situation.
He's lost control completely. He is so scared. And this
wall of a man, this thing that used to terrify me,
covered an eggshells. I had to step around for the
first time in my life, showed a bit of weakness,
and I can't think of what's outside because I'm just
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looking at him, thinking, you're like a human man. The
noise is getting more and more, and Mum's having a
full panic attack. She has a condition called angina. Her
heart is going to brickly. And just before the door
gets broken in, we hear a helicopter and then we
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see the lights of police cars pulling onto our street.
The banging stops. It goes quiet again in the village,
and then a polite knock comes from the front door.
It's the creepiest thing. All this banging and then just
a polite knock courtesy freaked me out. We didn't answer it,
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and then Mom gets a phone call. She stands up,
she unlocks the door, she goes downstairs. My dad stands up.
He follows her. I stand up and I walk into
the bedroom. I tell my parents it's because I'm tired
and I can't be asked. In actual fact, I'm having
a full panic attack for the first time in my life.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I go and lay down in my bed.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I shut my eyes and I start to count, just
to try and make yourself go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And then I wake up. I wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's a beautiful day, Sun's out, birds are chopping. I'm
happier than I've ever been because I realize it's just
a dream.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And then I hear my mom crying downstairs. I think, fuck,
that's not.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I get up.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I walk downstairs. The blinds are down, all the doors
are shut. I can't see anything at all. I can't
see the front door. The TV is off, Mum and
Dad are on the sofa, Mum's crying, and on the
coffee table there are pancakes. And I started eating the pancakes.
And I turned to my dad. I said, what was
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all that last night then? And he didn't answer me.
He just picked up the TV rote and turned on
Sky News. And on Sky News is my house. My
house is covered in police tape, and on the street
there are a few police officers. And that's how I
learned about what happened on the night for the twenty
second of July twenty fifteen, between eleven and twelve o'clock
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at night, the twenty three year old man named Ryan Goddard,
my school bully, had killed his family. He stabbed his
mother forty two times his stepfather fifty six, using seven
different blunt knives from the kitchen, and they identified him
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by the shape of his shoeprint left on the side
of his mother's skull. And then he came to my house.
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Things didn't go Ryan's way after I left the village.
He broke his hip and he couldn't play football anymore.
He was playing for a semi professional team and he
had to move home with his family, became a milkman,
had to knock on people's doors every day. This local
celebrity is now ankman.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And I knew Susan. She was good. Susan his mum
was a good person. And it's yeah, it's I didn't
know what to say. I sort of sat there.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
He wants something so bad you can't look left or right,
and you're just soaking it in. And I wanted to
make it better. I wanted to to fix it, and
I couldn't. I couldn't fix it. But my dad, John,
the hero of the house man, he saved the day,
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as he always does. He put his hand on my shoulder.
He put his hand around my mum, and he said,
it's fine, Okay, we've got each other still, We're alive.
We're safe thanks to the Titan seventeen windows. Now here's
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a second lie of the show. He did not say that,
And while I'm at it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'll tell you the third lie.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
The third lie, just so you're aware, is that I've
changed the names and the places and the people's names just.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Out of respect for the dead. I thought I was right.
I think to do.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We all sort of processed it in different ways. That
was really interesting to see. So my mum was really healthy.
She talked to people and like she sawt of support network.
My dad buried himself in his work, and I immediately
started gigging again. I buried myself in my work, and
then I realized I was doing what my dad was doing.
So I did this. They just kind of pretended it
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never happened. Was I don't know if you've seen hot files,
but it was genuinely it was like that. They were like,
don't talk about it, don't report it, lock this shit down.
And then you'd walk up to me and be like,
did you hear about the murders? And they'd be like,
lovely day we're having.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
One thing I do know, because I'm eternally grateful to
you all for coming tonight.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
My name is A Hedges. Thank you very much. Listen
to my story say, and just.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Like that it was over. Ed got a standing up,
but he didn't stick around for the applause. His face
lost all expression as he left stage, like he had
somewhere to be. It was the strangest mic drop I'd
ever seen. The audience quickly gathered their belongings and slipped
back into the rain, casually chatting about what they'd just seen.
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But I stayed seated, stunned. Had I really just heard
a true story of a double homicide wrapped in a
comedy set, told by a comedian who was almost the
third victim?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Or did he make the whole thing up? I had
to know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I ran out to the stage door to introduce myself,
but Ed Hedges had long left the venue. The stage
manager advised me to return the next day to catch
him before his performance, but I didn't want to wait
that long. I grabbed a coffee and scoured my phone
for any trace of Ed Hedges. Most budding comedians have
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big so social media presences, but not Ed. He had
a single Twitter account and his last post was weeks old.
I dmmed him anyway, but nothing back. When I googled him,
I found a lot of promos and press releases, but
nothing about his hometown. When he was only twenty, Ed
won the So You Think Your Funny Contest, a British
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comedy competition. He had a few runs at the Soho
Theater in London to great reviews, but his career had
slumped since then. I searched for the village he mentions.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And you wouldn't have heard of. It's called Sophomoreton.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's a real town, but no double homicide and more curious,
Ed never specifically says where he's from in interviews, like
he's going out of his way to keep his past unclear.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You're not going to be able to google this one.
I've hidden it well enough that you won't be able
to find anything.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Despite trying for hours, I couldn't find anything. So the
next day I went back to his show, and this
time I recorded it on my iPhone seven. Apologies for
the sound quality, but this is the first time I
ever captured Ed's performance.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Red Blooded Colored Comics is going to be like, Hey,
wasn't it drue to come?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I'm not, how answered.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The show was almost identical to the night before. Some
names changed, but every sharp line written and performed with
an intentional vagueness.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
That night in twenty three year old Whale and Christian
Gotd had killed his.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Family, And this time I darted to the stage door
when Ed's set came down. In fact, I think I
scared him a little. I stuck out my hand told
him I was a television producer specializing in true crime,
and I would like to talk to him about his show.
Immediately Ed became dismissive, eyes down, shuffling his feet, looking
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for an excuse to leave the conversation. Ed said he
needed to prepare for his next set, but perhaps intrigued
by something I said, we exchanged numbers and planned to
meet for a drink after his last show. As he
reached for the stage door, I lobbed one last question, Hey,
can you at least tell me the name of your bully?
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He glanced around to see if anyone was listening, looked
back at me, and quietly said Brett Rogers. That simple
name unlocked everything for me.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
They found the lifeless body of Gillian Phillips fifty four,
slumped on the sofa and covered in her own.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Repeatedly stabbed and caused a fatal head injury to David Oaks,
who had stayed with her overnight. Since the death of
a woman and a man in stanced at Mount Fidgett
had been opened.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
With the name Brett Rogers, I could almost confirm everything
that happened that terrible night, not in Saffron, Morgan, but
in a small town called Stansteae, Mount Fitchett, thirty five
miles northeast of London. Even more fascinating, everything that Ed
said on stage about the murders themselves was true, verifiable,
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right down to the amount of stab wounds found on
Brett's mother's body. Missus Phillips suffered at least forty one
stab wounds to the head, neck and torso, plus fourteen
blunt force injuries and defensive wounds.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
She was pronounced dead at the scene.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The number of articles published in the wake of the
murders were in the dozens, but they all reported the
same scant superficial facts. Since Ed had moved away from Stanstead,
Brett's life had fallen apart. With few job opportunities, Brett
took a job as the local milkman, delivering fresh dairy
to lifelong neighbors, who were all aware of his downfall.
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He was constantly in trouble with the law, everything from
drug use to violent fights, and eventually landed himself in
prison for three years. When he was released, he had
nowhere to live except his mother's house, his childhood home,
the one three doors down from ed. Then came the
night of July twenty second, twenty fifteen. The terror started
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at nine pm. Both Brett's mom, Jillian Phillips, and her
friend David Oakes, had been heavily drinking. There was no
way either could have fought off the attack. Their thinned
blood would account for the red soaked couch and floor
where Gillian and David were found, respectively. Both their heads
were bruised and fractured, consistent with violent blunt force trauma.
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Once they were incapacitated, Brett repeatedly stomped on their faces,
leaving a bloody footprint from his Nike air trainer on
his mother's cheek. A forensic scientist later confirmed that the
butchery Brett committed that night would have taken him at
least one hour or longer. At eleven pm, Brett Rogers
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left his house and wandered onto the Common Green, a
small shared outdoor yard with pinches. There, Brett called nine
nine nine. For some reason, either the call was dropped
or he hung up. Brett did not speak to an officer. Inexplicably,
Brett returned to his house while the victims bled out downstairs.
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Brett climbed upstairs, tracking blood on the treads. He changed
out of the blood soaked size eight Nike trainers and
into size nine shoes. Approximately thirty to forty five minutes later,
Brett calls nine nine nine again, this time requesting help.
Around midnight, a lone officer arrived to find Brett in
a side alley beside Ed's house. He was clutching a
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white plastic bag, His arms and hands were slick with blood,
and he was grinning laughing to top it all off.
On the way to the station after his arrest, Brett
turned to the officer and asked if they could swing
by McDonald's first, but the crime scene had yet to
reveal Two of the most baffling parts of the murders.
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The following day, during a methodical search of Jillian's overflowing
kitchen trash can, the murder weapons were discovered.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Inside.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Seven knives were found, four black, ones, one red, one yellow,
and one blue, indicating that Brett went back and forth
over the course of an hour or so, randomly choosing
a new instrument every time a knife broke or dulled.
Some of the knives were missing handles due to the
violent force used to thrust the blades into the victim's bodies.
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Investigators also found Brett's discarded nikes, his gray sweatpants, several towels,
and a pillowcase, all soaked in blood. He had also
thrown away cash, two hundred and twenty pounds in twenty
pound notes, and a pair of women's animal print underwear.
But perhaps the strangest discovery lay outside in another trash ben,
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evidence of a different side to Brett's breakdown. Sometime during
the murders, he had scrawled a message, a letter of
sorts three words written over and over at least thirty times,
I and love and much. Then he destroyed the message,
tearing it into three hundred small pieces.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I kept pouring.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Over the articles because one question kept nagging at me.
Why what sent Brett over the edge that night? I
couldn't wait to ask Ed? But it turns out i'd
have to Ed stood me up. I waited in that
pub for two hours. I sent him a message on WhatsApp, nothing,
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not even a courtesy text, saying I can't make it.
I crawled in bed that night, bombed and frankly a
little pissed. Young comedians come to the Fringe Fest for
one reason, to show their talent to the world, to
find new collaborators and expand their audiences. I thought Ed
and I might make a great team. Why would he
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not show Maybe he's already working with someone else, or
isn't interested in a wider audience, or maybe he's decided
that I'm not the perfect fit for his ambitions. After all,
I'm a crime producer and he's a stand up. And
that's when it hit me. Despite what Ed said on stage,
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a double murder in a small town, the killer coming
to his house, all on the one night in four
years that Ed happened to be back home.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
He had no idea though I was there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
This was just my questionence a coincidence that's certainly possible
but probable, or maybe Ed was trying to convince himself
of that narrative.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's a story, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Whatever the truth was, Ed was going through it for
his audiences, cackling through his forty five minute set.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
This was just another comedy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Routine for Ed. It was trauma therapy with dozens of
people looking on. The Next night, I waited at the
stage door again, and this time I didn't hold back.
I told Ed why I thought he was avoiding me.
I told him why I think he changes all the
names and places in the story, and then I told
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him why I think he performs this set in the
first place. He too, wants to know why Brett did
what he did and if his presence in town that
night had anything to do with his bully's meltdown. Ed
was speechless, and then he unloaded his thoughts on me,
telling me that Brett never mentioned him by name after
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he left, that he already had mental problems, and that
Brett would have never known that Ed was in town
for one night only. Rather than pushback, I simply asked
Ed a question. I asked if he would like to
explore everything that led up to those murders in hopes
of unearthing Brett's motivations that night, that maybe a deeper
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understanding of Brett might unshackle him from any of his
darker feelings. He got very quiet, shook his head and
told me he would think about it. And that was
the last time I talked to Ed Hedges until two
years later when he called me pis drunk. He told
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me he'd been considering my offer for years. It had
always stuck in the back of his mind. He said,
if I was still up for it, he was in.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Why now? I thought, what's changed? Then he said one thing,
though Brett's dead. Next time on wisecrack.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In most cases they swing their fists around. Yes, plausible,
it's believable, and you've had a fight, but you don't
kill your mum.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
The forensic scientists took a huge number of photographs, not
all of which we showed to the jury. Some of
them were just too horrific to do so. The thing
that struck me most about it was the sheer quantity
of bloodshed. It literally was a blood bath.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Wisecrack is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart podcasts
in association with Star White Productions. I'm the host Jody Tovey.
The show is written by Charles Forbes. Stand up comedy
written and performed by Ed Hedges, with additional writing contributions
by Charles Forbes. Executive producers for Tenderfoot TV are Donald
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Albright and Payne Lindsay. Executive producers for Star White Productions
are Jody Tovey and Charles Forbes. Lead producer is Alex Vespestad,
with additional production by Stephen Perez, Joe Grizzle, ja Ja Muhammad,
Jamie Albright, and Jordan Foxworthy. Lead editor is Stephen Perez,
with additional editing by Dylan Harrington and Liam Luxon. Coordinating
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producers are John Street and Tracy Kaplan. Research by Jim
Nally and Misty Showalter. Original music by Jay Ragsdale with
additional music by Makeup and Vanity Set, mixed by Cooper Skinner.
Artwork by Byron McCoy. Special thanks to Orren Rosenbaum and
the team at UTA, Nate Ranson, Alexander Kaplan and The
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
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those of the podcast author or individuals participating in the podcast,
and do not represent those of iHeartRadio, Tenderfoot TV, or
their employees. This podcast also contains subject matter which may
not be suitable for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. Previously
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on Wisecrack.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I'm going to tell you a story, right, and it's
gonna be one story all the way through. Everything I'm
going to tell you is completely true apart from three things.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
There are three lies in this story.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
So on twenty second of July twenty and fifteen, about
half past ten, I leave the gig. I go to
my parents' house, wake up about twenty minutes after I
fell asleep, and at the end of my bed there
is someone standing. It's my mum. She's scared, she's really scared.
She says the words to me. Whatever you do, do
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not turn on the lives. Whoever's in the front garden
whatever's in the front garden. At this stage, I don't
know how many people, how many things, what it could be,
but my dad is looking at it and he won't
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go downstairs. Doesn't make sense, so I think, all right,
I'm gonna call the police. I find out what's going on.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
I call the police. It rings a couple of times.
Someone answers.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
I said, Hey, my name's Ed. I'm calling from forty
Benfield Avenue. Someone's banging on our front door. I think
it's a drunk but my parents are acting really weird
and it's kind of shaken me up.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Could you send an officer down just to check this out.
On the other end, the phone says, I'm sorry, where.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Did you say you were calling from? I said forty
Bentfield Avenue, just in sophrom Walden, and the officer says,
mister Hedges, we're very aware of the situation. Please barricade
yourself inside the house and do not engage with anyone
you meet. And then they hang up.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
I'm like, rude. Fuck.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
That first night in Edinburgh, my head was spinning and
I wasn't alone. Ed had just started his set like
any other stand up comedian, but suddenly we were all
side eyeing each other in the audience.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Should we laugh or brace ourselves.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
I walk into the hallway back with my parents and
I said, guys, I've just called the police, and the
acting kind of odd, and my mum does this. I
go quiet, and I listened, and the banging has stopped,
and it's been the rep by the sound of footsteps
going down the front of our house and then the
sound of an old iron gate getting pushed open. I
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know the iron gate because that's the iron gate I
used to use when I come back from the pub
drunk with the cricket team.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I pushed the iron gate open.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'd walk down the side of my house into the
back garden and I would go into the back door
because the back door is always unlocked.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
The back doors always unlocked, and we can hear them
through the windows.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
They go down the side of the house into the
back garden, walk up to the back door. They put
the hand on the door handle and they pull it
down and it doesn't go And the second it made
that chunk noise, my dad to my mum went, that
is why I did that.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
I'm Jody Tovey.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
And this is Wisecrack Episode two who's there.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
There was an incident at this When I was a kid,
my dad took me to the fair. I've never been
before because I didn't really have any friends, and he
took me, my mum and him to the local fair.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
They're not like your fairs. I've seen it. Your fairs
you fry everything. Can you throw people in the air.
We don't. We don't do that. We like to have fun.
And my dad was driving us to the fur. I
was so excited, and then we pulled over.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
In front of my aunt's house and my cousin, Jasper,
walked out.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
And I was livid because I hate Jasper. We all
hate Jasper. I need you to be on board with me.
We hate Jasper. Right, He's such a weird kid.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
He was the kind of kid that would sit on
the bottom deck of a double decker right live a
little twat's so it's so weird.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I can't explain it.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
He's he got into the car and he was wearing
a three piece suit to go to the fair.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
Oh. I hate him so much, it makes me stronger.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
We went to the fair. I'm only a couple of
years older than Jasper. At this point, I'm like turning.
He's like a and we're looking for something to go on,
and my dad's getting more and more annoyed. He's like,
I've taken a day off work. I've bought these kids
to the fair, not going on anything. What's the point
in this. I've had a day of work. I'm losing
a day's money. What is going on here? And after
a little while he kind of erupted. He was like, kids,
get on a ride. Now, we're going right home. And
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Jasa was like, we'll go on the dodgems. And you
don't know what the dodgems are. You call them bumper cars, right, cool?
Because you like to bump into them, but we like
to dodge them.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
We're so similar.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Which had just stop stop fighting your silly gooses, Ah,
were called dodgems.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
I got on.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I sat down in the bumper car. I was actually
quite excited. Jaspa setting next to me. He wasn't allowed
to drive because he's wearing a suit. And the second
I sit down, I see in front of me is
Ryan Goddard.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Ryan Goddard is Ed's childhood bully who relentlessly tormented him
all throughout grade school.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Now, at this point, Ryan Godard has been bullying me
for about four years.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
I'm terrified of him. He's already like good at sport.
I am shitting my pants. I'm so scared.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He sees me and starts heading straight for me and
me and Jasper and I didn't know what to do.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
So I've realized I had two options.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Either I bend down, I press the pedal and I
still around Ryan, or I hit him straight on. I
know my dad would prefer My dad would prefer me
to hit him straight on, to do the manly thing
to be, to be a man, to tackle.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The problem head on. But I wanted to go around him.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I just didn't want to have the conflict, and it
was an internal struggle for me. I was tossing up
between hitting him and going around him, Option A, Option B,
Option A, Option B. In the end, I went for
option C, which was undo my belt and leave the vehicle.
There is not a reality that exists where I can
describe how hard Jasper got hit by that car. And
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on that day, Jasper lost all of his front teeth.
He also broke his nose. My dad grabs Jasper, he
pulls him out of the car. He turns to me,
and he goes, you're a coward, and he said get
in the car, and I went right cool.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
We got in the car. He was angry.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
He was angry than he's been for a long time.
I could feel the heat coming off the back of
his neck, that kind of anger where people are like
radiating energy. I sit in the car. Jasper's next to me.
His suit is now read. My mum sits in the
passenger seat. Does it's in the driver's seat. I'm sitting behind.
We start driving. We're driving at about eighty miles.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
My dad's angry and he was mumbling under his breath.
I could hear what he was mumbling. But he was like,
why can't he just be normal? Why can't he be
like the other kids? And my mom said, John, stop it,
and he said, why can't he be like any of
the other kids. Tony's boy was there, Ian, he was
playing sports. Jackie's daughter was there, she was going on
the slide. Susan's daughter was there. Ran he was like,
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he was there. They were all there, all the normal
kids were there, and I've got this one.
Speaker 4 (08:29):
I was like, ah shit.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
When you see his set live, you quickly realize Ed
is actually performing three shows at once. The first show
is Ed's endearing comedy side splitting stories about growing up chubby, dyslexic, asthmatic,
and just kind of strange in a small town outside
of London. The second plot is Ed's retelling of this
terrifying night when he returned to his childhood village for
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the first time as an adult, years after leaving to
pursue his dreams of stand up comedy. After Ed finished
his show, he had a few pints with old friends,
walked back to his childhood home and passed out in
his small bedroom until he was awoken by his parents
and the violent knocking of an intruder trying to get
into the front door.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
And then we hear them walk back up the pathway
into the front garden and it goes quiet.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
But there is a third show going on. When he's
on stage. It's what Ed is not telling you. He's
already warned us that there are three lies built into
the show, and at this point in the set he's
only divulged one, but you can sense there's something yet
to be revealed.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
And my mom tells to my dad and she says,
I think they've gone, And as she starts to say,
like the g in gone. The sound of someone drop
kicking our front door comes. First kick smashes the glass,
second kick, the wood starts to break. My mom grabs
me and my dad and pushes us into the toilet,
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shuts the door behind us, she locks it.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
She's fully crying. At this point.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
She turns around to me and she says, Edward, promise
me you won't leave, promising you'll stay here. This is
the only room that has a lock and running water.
We'll be safe if we're just saying here. The sound
is getting louder. The wood is breaking. We can hear it.
Whoever's outside is breaking down the door. We can hear
it falling to pieces. My mum is crying, HI am panicking.
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My dad is sitting on the floor. And then I
realize it. I look at my dad and I realize it.
Why I couldn't get a grasp on what he was doing.
Speaker 4 (10:44):
He was scared. How fucked is that? It's like twenty
three years old, and I just realized that my dad
was scared the first time in my life.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Here's this unit of a man. I'd never seen him
scared before. He is terrified. He can't control the situation.
He's lost control completely. He is so scared. And this
wall of a man, this thing that used to terrify me,
covered an eggshells. I had to step around for the
first time in my life, showed a bit of weakness,
and I can't think of what's outside because I'm just
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looking at him, thinking, you're like a human man. The
noise is getting more and more, and Mum's having a
full panic attack. She has a condition called angina. Her
heart is going to brickly. And just before the door
gets broken in, we hear a helicopter and then we
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see the lights of police cars pulling onto our street.
The banging stops. It goes quiet again in the village,
and then a polite knock comes from the front door.
It's the creepiest thing. All this banging and then just
a polite knock courtesy freaked me out. We didn't answer it,
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and then Mom gets a phone call. She stands up,
she unlocks the door, she goes downstairs. My dad stands up.
He follows her. I stand up and I walk into
the bedroom. I tell my parents it's because I'm tired
and I can't be asked. In actual fact, I'm having
a full panic attack for the first time in my life.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
I go and lay down in my bed.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
I shut my eyes and I start to count, just
to try and make yourself go to sleep.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
And then I wake up. I wake up.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
It's a beautiful day, Sun's out, birds are chopping. I'm
happier than I've ever been because I realize it's just
a dream.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
And then I hear my mom crying downstairs. I think, fuck,
that's not.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
So.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
I get up.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
I walk downstairs. The blinds are down, all the doors
are shut. I can't see anything at all. I can't
see the front door. The TV is off, Mum and
Dad are on the sofa, Mum's crying, and on the
coffee table there are pancakes. And I started eating the pancakes.
And I turned to my dad. I said, what was
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all that last night then? And he didn't answer me.
He just picked up the TV rote and turned on
Sky News. And on Sky News is my house. My
house is covered in police tape, and on the street
there are a few police officers. And that's how I
learned about what happened on the night for the twenty
second of July twenty fifteen, between eleven and twelve o'clock
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at night, the twenty three year old man named Ryan Goddard,
my school bully, had killed his family. He stabbed his
mother forty two times his stepfather fifty six, using seven
different blunt knives from the kitchen, and they identified him
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by the shape of his shoeprint left on the side
of his mother's skull. And then he came to my house.
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Things didn't go Ryan's way after I left the village.
He broke his hip and he couldn't play football anymore.
He was playing for a semi professional team and he
had to move home with his family, became a milkman,
had to knock on people's doors every day. This local
celebrity is now ankman.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
And I knew Susan. She was good. Susan his mum
was a good person. And it's yeah, it's I didn't
know what to say. I sort of sat there.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
He wants something so bad you can't look left or right,
and you're just soaking it in. And I wanted to
make it better. I wanted to to fix it, and
I couldn't. I couldn't fix it. But my dad, John,
the hero of the house man, he saved the day,
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as he always does. He put his hand on my shoulder.
He put his hand around my mum, and he said,
it's fine, Okay, we've got each other still, We're alive.
We're safe thanks to the Titan seventeen windows. Now here's
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a second lie of the show. He did not say that,
And while I'm at it.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
I'll tell you the third lie.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
The third lie, just so you're aware, is that I've
changed the names and the places and the people's names just.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Out of respect for the dead. I thought I was right.
I think to do.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
We all sort of processed it in different ways. That
was really interesting to see. So my mum was really healthy.
She talked to people and like she sawt of support network.
My dad buried himself in his work, and I immediately
started gigging again. I buried myself in my work, and
then I realized I was doing what my dad was doing.
So I did this. They just kind of pretended it
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never happened. Was I don't know if you've seen hot files,
but it was genuinely it was like that. They were like,
don't talk about it, don't report it, lock this shit down.
And then you'd walk up to me and be like,
did you hear about the murders? And they'd be like,
lovely day we're having.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
All right.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
One thing I do know, because I'm eternally grateful to
you all for coming tonight.
Speaker 4 (16:44):
My name is A Hedges. Thank you very much. Listen
to my story say, and just.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
Like that it was over. Ed got a standing up,
but he didn't stick around for the applause. His face
lost all expression as he left stage, like he had
somewhere to be. It was the strangest mic drop I'd
ever seen. The audience quickly gathered their belongings and slipped
back into the rain, casually chatting about what they'd just seen.
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But I stayed seated, stunned. Had I really just heard
a true story of a double homicide wrapped in a
comedy set, told by a comedian who was almost the
third victim?
Speaker 5 (17:32):
Or did he make the whole thing up? I had
to know.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I ran out to the stage door to introduce myself,
but Ed Hedges had long left the venue. The stage
manager advised me to return the next day to catch
him before his performance, but I didn't want to wait
that long. I grabbed a coffee and scoured my phone
for any trace of Ed Hedges. Most budding comedians have
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big so social media presences, but not Ed. He had
a single Twitter account and his last post was weeks old.
I dmmed him anyway, but nothing back. When I googled him,
I found a lot of promos and press releases, but
nothing about his hometown. When he was only twenty, Ed
won the So You Think Your Funny Contest, a British
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comedy competition. He had a few runs at the Soho
Theater in London to great reviews, but his career had
slumped since then. I searched for the village he mentions.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
And you wouldn't have heard of. It's called Sophomoreton.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
It's a real town, but no double homicide and more curious,
Ed never specifically says where he's from in interviews, like
he's going out of his way to keep his past unclear.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
You're not going to be able to google this one.
I've hidden it well enough that you won't be able
to find anything.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Despite trying for hours, I couldn't find anything. So the
next day I went back to his show, and this
time I recorded it on my iPhone seven. Apologies for
the sound quality, but this is the first time I
ever captured Ed's performance.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Red Blooded Colored Comics is going to be like, Hey,
wasn't it drue to come?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I'm not, how answered.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
The show was almost identical to the night before. Some
names changed, but every sharp line written and performed with
an intentional vagueness.
Speaker 4 (19:29):
That night in twenty three year old Whale and Christian
Gotd had killed his.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Family, And this time I darted to the stage door
when Ed's set came down. In fact, I think I
scared him a little. I stuck out my hand told
him I was a television producer specializing in true crime,
and I would like to talk to him about his show.
Immediately Ed became dismissive, eyes down, shuffling his feet, looking
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for an excuse to leave the conversation. Ed said he
needed to prepare for his next set, but perhaps intrigued
by something I said, we exchanged numbers and planned to
meet for a drink after his last show. As he
reached for the stage door, I lobbed one last question, Hey,
can you at least tell me the name of your bully?
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He glanced around to see if anyone was listening, looked
back at me, and quietly said Brett Rogers. That simple
name unlocked everything for me.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
They found the lifeless body of Gillian Phillips fifty four,
slumped on the sofa and covered in her own.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Repeatedly stabbed and caused a fatal head injury to David Oaks,
who had stayed with her overnight. Since the death of
a woman and a man in stanced at Mount Fidgett
had been opened.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
With the name Brett Rogers, I could almost confirm everything
that happened that terrible night, not in Saffron, Morgan, but
in a small town called Stansteae, Mount Fitchett, thirty five
miles northeast of London. Even more fascinating, everything that Ed
said on stage about the murders themselves was true, verifiable,
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right down to the amount of stab wounds found on
Brett's mother's body. Missus Phillips suffered at least forty one
stab wounds to the head, neck and torso, plus fourteen
blunt force injuries and defensive wounds.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
She was pronounced dead at the scene.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
The number of articles published in the wake of the
murders were in the dozens, but they all reported the
same scant superficial facts. Since Ed had moved away from Stanstead,
Brett's life had fallen apart. With few job opportunities, Brett
took a job as the local milkman, delivering fresh dairy
to lifelong neighbors, who were all aware of his downfall.
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He was constantly in trouble with the law, everything from
drug use to violent fights, and eventually landed himself in
prison for three years. When he was released, he had
nowhere to live except his mother's house, his childhood home,
the one three doors down from ed. Then came the
night of July twenty second, twenty fifteen. The terror started
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at nine pm. Both Brett's mom, Jillian Phillips, and her
friend David Oakes, had been heavily drinking. There was no
way either could have fought off the attack. Their thinned
blood would account for the red soaked couch and floor
where Gillian and David were found, respectively. Both their heads
were bruised and fractured, consistent with violent blunt force trauma.
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Once they were incapacitated, Brett repeatedly stomped on their faces,
leaving a bloody footprint from his Nike air trainer on
his mother's cheek. A forensic scientist later confirmed that the
butchery Brett committed that night would have taken him at
least one hour or longer. At eleven pm, Brett Rogers
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left his house and wandered onto the Common Green, a
small shared outdoor yard with pinches. There, Brett called nine
nine nine. For some reason, either the call was dropped
or he hung up. Brett did not speak to an officer. Inexplicably,
Brett returned to his house while the victims bled out downstairs.
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Brett climbed upstairs, tracking blood on the treads. He changed
out of the blood soaked size eight Nike trainers and
into size nine shoes. Approximately thirty to forty five minutes later,
Brett calls nine nine nine again, this time requesting help.
Around midnight, a lone officer arrived to find Brett in
a side alley beside Ed's house. He was clutching a
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white plastic bag, His arms and hands were slick with blood,
and he was grinning laughing to top it all off.
On the way to the station after his arrest, Brett
turned to the officer and asked if they could swing
by McDonald's first, but the crime scene had yet to
reveal Two of the most baffling parts of the murders.
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The following day, during a methodical search of Jillian's overflowing
kitchen trash can, the murder weapons were discovered.
Speaker 5 (24:14):
Inside.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Seven knives were found, four black, ones, one red, one yellow,
and one blue, indicating that Brett went back and forth
over the course of an hour or so, randomly choosing
a new instrument every time a knife broke or dulled.
Some of the knives were missing handles due to the
violent force used to thrust the blades into the victim's bodies.
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Investigators also found Brett's discarded nikes, his gray sweatpants, several towels,
and a pillowcase, all soaked in blood. He had also
thrown away cash, two hundred and twenty pounds in twenty
pound notes, and a pair of women's animal print underwear.
But perhaps the strangest discovery lay outside in another trash ben,
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evidence of a different side to Brett's breakdown. Sometime during
the murders, he had scrawled a message, a letter of
sorts three words written over and over at least thirty times,
I and love and much. Then he destroyed the message,
tearing it into three hundred small pieces.
Speaker 5 (25:24):
I kept pouring.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
Over the articles because one question kept nagging at me.
Why what sent Brett over the edge that night? I
couldn't wait to ask Ed? But it turns out i'd
have to Ed stood me up. I waited in that
pub for two hours. I sent him a message on WhatsApp, nothing,
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not even a courtesy text, saying I can't make it.
I crawled in bed that night, bombed and frankly a
little pissed. Young comedians come to the Fringe Fest for
one reason, to show their talent to the world, to
find new collaborators and expand their audiences. I thought Ed
and I might make a great team. Why would he
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not show Maybe he's already working with someone else, or
isn't interested in a wider audience, or maybe he's decided
that I'm not the perfect fit for his ambitions. After all,
I'm a crime producer and he's a stand up. And
that's when it hit me. Despite what Ed said on stage,
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a double murder in a small town, the killer coming
to his house, all on the one night in four
years that Ed happened to be back home.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
He had no idea though I was there.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
This was just my questionence a coincidence that's certainly possible
but probable, or maybe Ed was trying to convince himself
of that narrative.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
That's a story, thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Whatever the truth was, Ed was going through it for
his audiences, cackling through his forty five minute set.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
This was just another comedy.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Routine for Ed. It was trauma therapy with dozens of
people looking on. The Next night, I waited at the
stage door again, and this time I didn't hold back.
I told Ed why I thought he was avoiding me.
I told him why I think he changes all the
names and places in the story, and then I told
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him why I think he performs this set in the
first place. He too, wants to know why Brett did
what he did and if his presence in town that
night had anything to do with his bully's meltdown. Ed
was speechless, and then he unloaded his thoughts on me,
telling me that Brett never mentioned him by name after
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he left, that he already had mental problems, and that
Brett would have never known that Ed was in town
for one night only. Rather than pushback, I simply asked
Ed a question. I asked if he would like to
explore everything that led up to those murders in hopes
of unearthing Brett's motivations that night, that maybe a deeper
(28:22):
understanding of Brett might unshackle him from any of his
darker feelings. He got very quiet, shook his head and
told me he would think about it. And that was
the last time I talked to Ed Hedges until two
years later when he called me pis drunk. He told
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me he'd been considering my offer for years. It had
always stuck in the back of his mind. He said,
if I was still up for it, he was in.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
Why now? I thought, what's changed? Then he said one thing,
though Brett's dead. Next time on wisecrack.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
In most cases they swing their fists around. Yes, plausible,
it's believable, and you've had a fight, but you don't
kill your mum.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
The forensic scientists took a huge number of photographs, not
all of which we showed to the jury. Some of
them were just too horrific to do so. The thing
that struck me most about it was the sheer quantity
of bloodshed. It literally was a blood bath.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Wisecrack is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart podcasts
in association with Star White Productions. I'm the host Jody Tovey.
The show is written by Charles Forbes. Stand up comedy
written and performed by Ed Hedges, with additional writing contributions
by Charles Forbes. Executive producers for Tenderfoot TV are Donald
(30:13):
Albright and Payne Lindsay. Executive producers for Star White Productions
are Jody Tovey and Charles Forbes. Lead producer is Alex Vespestad,
with additional production by Stephen Perez, Joe Grizzle, ja Ja Muhammad,
Jamie Albright, and Jordan Foxworthy. Lead editor is Stephen Perez,
with additional editing by Dylan Harrington and Liam Luxon. Coordinating
(30:37):
producers are John Street and Tracy Kaplan. Research by Jim
Nally and Misty Showalter. Original music by Jay Ragsdale with
additional music by Makeup and Vanity Set, mixed by Cooper Skinner.
Artwork by Byron McCoy. Special thanks to Orren Rosenbaum and
the team at UTA, Nate Ranson, Alexander Kaplan and The
(30:59):
Sinner Clubhouse, and the Nord Group. For more podcasts like Wisecrack,
search Tenderfoot TV on your favorite podcast app, or visit
us at tenderfoot dot tv. Thanks for listening. Episode three
will release next week, but you can binge the rest
of the season right now, completely add free by subscribing
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to tenderfoot Plus on Apple Podcasts or at tenderfootplus dot com.
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