January 9, 2023 • 49 mins
Urologist and sexual health expert Dr. Jennifer Berman joins Hilaria and Michelle in the coven to dispel myths and remove taboos surrounding the powerful force that is the female body. They touch on everything from hormone imbalances, to setting the record straight about vaginal rejuvenation, and diving into what actually accelerates the aging process.
This episode is a step toward removing the giant stigmas surrounding discussing body image, sexuality, and being comfortable in your skin.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Which is anonymous with the Laria Baldwin and Michelle Campbell
Mason and I heart radio podcast. Hey, which is welcome
back to which is anonymous. I'm Michelle and I met
Larry and today we're talking about vaginal rejuvenation. Hi. My
name is Dr Jennifer Berman. I'm a urologist, best selling author,
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and sexual health expert. I'm here today to talk about
vaginal health, general red donation, everything to do with a vagina,
and hopefully we'll talk about hormones too. Hi. Dr Berman,
thank you for coming on. As I have a question
because I've been cruising your website. How do you how
do you really feel about m face? Because I just
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did it for the first time. You've got to do
all four of them. But I okay, so okay, I
have it. We have we have the machine, so that
is a what's cool about the other base? You know?
Radio frequency here has been around forever. We've been using
that to live and tightened skin on the face next body,
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but this is the first technology that has incorporated um
electrical stimulation for the muscles of the face, which to
me makes so much sense because as we age. In
addition to the college and Alaskin looseness of the skin
being muscles are also sagging and drooping and falling as
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we age in our whole bodies include our face. And um,
there really isn't any other technology available right now that
he dresses the falling in sidding and patrop being muscles
of the face. Um, this one. And so I think
that combining the radio the frequency heat with the electrical
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stimulation is um, definitely new as it pertains the face,
not new it pertains the body. We know about the
meal and then we've combined heat with electrical stimulation to
sculpt and tighten other parts of the buy. And it's
natural that they I thought to do it in the
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face too. Um, So I think, um, it's definitely effective.
We see results quickly. Did you know are so young
and you don't have a lot of um, you know,
there's not a lot of tots are falling yet, so
for thank you for you know it makes you know,
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smoothing and tightening and don't preventative purposes or if there
was a specific area you know whatever they focus on.
But so you might not see as dramatic as results
as somebody in their forties multilate forwards early fifties, but
you know, people are in their thirties and early forties,
who have you know, prevature aging in certain areas and
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the wonderful thank you. I just finished my fourth session.
I did it and that's actually how I how I
found you was uh Dr rash Akavan, Who's who's my
dermatologist here in New York. He you know, I asked him.
I was like, I'm hearing this vaginal rejuvenation. What is
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the vaginal rejuvenation. I've had so many children and I
know nothing about this? What like, what is what is this?
And He's like, you must talk with Dr bourbon Um No.
So interestingly, through these vaginal rejuvenation treatments is how I
got into the minimally based of aesthetics. So I eurologist
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neurologist by training UM, and I focus on female neurology,
sexual health, a lot of thermal balance, a lot to
do with Vogel health and Bagel Kainda and UM in
continents and UM. When these technologies came to the forefront,
it really revolutionized the standard of care as if chains
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to female neurology, because before what we would do if
a woman had stressing continence after a baby. I mean
they're at yogie. So maybe we don't have it, but
most every woman at least at a period of time
after and then again when become older menopausal will experience
stress your air in continents, which is we can all
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blacks needs jump, exercise, run or whatever. And before these
devices became available, we would have to operate. That we
were doing slings on everybody, hundreds of thousands of sling
slings and prosing. So now that the new technology, the
standard care is not to immediately you know, operate and
put in a foreign body. But these technologies are effective.
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And not only the juvenating and enchancing um, the wall,
the lining of the vagina, ypening things back after we
have babies and they get older, but lifting and supporting
um and spoil the bladder and your RECAF. And so
I was one of the you know, the earl and
the key opinion leaders for the companies, and I was
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talking about them and you know, doing research with them,
and I would go to the meetings and they and
I'd have to go and I went to the plastic
surgery meetings and derm meetings with these companies about the
fradulal new juvenation device, and I was there that I
saw this machine also works on the base like wait
a minute, heat can and I was like, yeah, you
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know I need that. And then I was like, okay,
well it also works on your body, like so that's
so I got introduced kind of backhanded to minimaly invasive
um medical aesthetic treatments through the backdoor via my godgual
new juven nation. Um uh, you know, knowledge and experience,
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and so now I've incorporating all of that into my
practice because I'm an aging woman and all the things
that I offer, including their base and things um you
know that are are preventative and or you know, I
said beauty from the inside out, that we address mormal balance,
how to look and feel they're optimal best and then
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you know these are things are part and personal to
getting older. Well, so talk to us a little bit
about that. And so my body has experienced many beings
passing passing through my vagina. I mean, my doctor is
always like, just do keegeles, Just do keegeles, and and
I do. And to be quite honest, a lot of
I think I don't know a lot about this because
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I haven't experienced the problems that I'm starting to hear happen.
But I think, Okay, well, I'm approaching four years old,
I'm thirty eight. Right now, I'm approaching forty years old.
I don't necessarily see a problem. I don't feel a
problem like I've heard. But then I start to think
what would be helpful for me now to do and
know to prepare me for the future. Do you recognize,
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hopefully that you are a phenomen just begrtue of having
looking the way you do, functioning the way you do,
and having had you know, six babies. This isn't normal
and um, I don't know, I've never seen it before. Um, well,
there's a lot of conspiracies online that I never had
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any kids. That's a whole other episode. That's a whole episode.
Well it's I mean, it's worth thinking about on your end.
I mean, it is not I who am I to
say what what's normal? But in general, women, you know,
after um to sometimes three babies, you know their their
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bodies are done, um in terms of ability to carry
another baby to term, the amount of weight that um
that you put on. And then also once you get
into your mid to late thirties, your you know your
your resilience and you know ability to balance back is
it changes, so the fact um and your body changes,
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and I you know, there's I love to talk about
myths that we're told or that we believe that we
were you know and we're kids that you know one
of them was your vagina just pus is right back,
you know, baby comes out and like you know, it's
going again. And that at least my experience and most
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um women is not is not the case. It doesn't
just pop right back um to where it was and
what it was. Pretty baby when you carry baby to
turn and you deliver badgelate, now you might be a
phenom and um you know have due to your core
strength and the fact that your your yoga practice definitely
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is when you're asking about prevention, those you know, those
exercises that that you do your wise that improved pelic
for strength and tone are one of the things. But
when you when you're told to do a keegol, like
after you have babies and your doctor says do keego exercises,
to me, it's like telling a nine year old woman
like to live you know, a hundred fifty pounds, you
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can't engage once like a watermelon has come out of there.
I one of my these was nine pounds eight ounces,
and once that like crosses through there, there's no you know,
going back to the way it was and trying to
do key goals afterwards, you know what, they were not engageable.
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The cool thing about these new vaginal rejuvenation technologies is
that they function to help to restore pelic for strength
and tone, as well as the keegold muscles UM, which
are important not only for control of urine but also
supporting your pelic organs and also um sexual function and response.
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So when you talk about function in versus esthetics UM,
to me, function would be UM the improvement of vaginal
lubrication because as you become older, and certainly after babies
with fluctuations and hormones um, the ecosystem of the vagina changes,
and if the lining because becomes thinner, more friable, women
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will will frequently report vaginal dryness or irritation. They may
also complain of urinary symptoms, if not incontinence, urinary frequency, urgency, UM, irritation,
or burning. And you know, the doctors might think it's
t I. Whenever we call those general urinary symptoms of menopause,
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but they can occur before menopause and when in your age,
both of your ages, especially after having after having babies,
and due to the fact that you're becoming paramenopausal. Paramenopausal
is by definition means that you're still getting your periods
regularly or perhaps even irregular, but may or may not
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be experiencing symptoms, and those symptoms can be like in
terms of the vagina, vaginal dryness, vaginal pain with intercourse,
um laxity in the vagina, or funeral looser you know,
less um sensation in that area. UM. Women also difficulty sleeping,
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fallingessly in the paramountal pause, foliously distancously, moody, more furable
and short fused, more we be in depressed. Whatever susceptibilities
you have to Anxiety and depression get worse in the
paramenal pause, especially around your period. Um sexual function and response,
your motivation, libido, your sexual motivation and desire to be sexual.
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Orgasm can change, becomes less, less intense, harder to come by,
so the cost benefit analysis of insects doesn't payoff. Is
Orgasm is UM and it's frustrating. So all of these
symptoms can occur in women that are not metapousi during
the paramount pause and what happens and also focus, concentration, memory,
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and what happens is we attribute them to a lot
of other things to stress the pandemic, having seven babies,
who wouldn't be forgetful of seven kids gonna around obviously
make excuses for those things, you know, to kind of
push them away, when in reality they're due to hormone
and balance. And so just knowing that both in the
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back room minds knowing you know, as you're going through
your lives, is you know that that we don't, you know,
sort of brush off the symptoms and or get put
on antidepressants or get put on a d D meds,
or get put on diabills because they can't lose the weight.
You know, that's I see that, you know, more often
than not. And so you know, just having in the
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backroom minds that these symptoms that happened to me before.
By the time you become menopausal, meaning that you're not
having a period anymore for at least twelve ones, then
what you have all the same symptoms but worse, and
you also have hot flashes and night s west By
the way, though perimenopausal women, some perimenoposts women can experience
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hot flashes and night sweats. They on a milder level,
but they can still experience them. But those are really hot.
Flash is the night subs are the typical ones that
everybody knows about. You know, you know, getting hot, you
know we all know about that. But in addition to
help flash, the night swubs, all those other symptoms, sexual symptoms,
um leaning, muscle mass over fat mass, your endurance and
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strength during exercise, your muscle recovery, joints, drength, bone strength,
all of that is impacted by hormones and hormonic balance.
So I have a huge advocate for optimizing hormone balance
to women. I believe everything health, wellness, longevity, and also
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quality of life well being starts and stops with hormone
and balance. And when we get older and if things
are at us, when our issues start symptom lage news
as well as bone millers, at the mental de mineralization
all times, disease, colon cancer, also you know, cardiovascular disease information. Everything.
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As we start to break down, our bodies break down
at the root of it. I'm not gonna say it's
all due to hormone balance. But if we I believe
that we can start early, and that's that's not necessarily
the standard of care right now, as you know, in
in terms of the field of O sutors and gynecology, UM,
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they don't necessarily agree with me. UM there uh and
you know that's a whole other conversation. But UM, in
terms of the research that's ongoing right now, there's scientifics
let's see book control, Political Trial, and I in funded
grants that are UM and and evidence space research showing
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that intervention early meaning before you're in the throwings of
health uns and next pestis is beneficial, especially in terms
of the cognitive function and prevention of cognitive decline and
prevention of Alzheimer's. So when you're into in your mid
to late thirties and early forties and having symptoms and
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you have your levels checked and if there is in
balut you're having symptoms and there there is imbalanced, I
am a huge proponent for UM, you know, for intervention
early as it pertains the hormone balance. And then in
terms of your vagina, for the vaginal redubnation things, it
is important. Another thing is women who are receiving hormone
replacement therapy full on hormone menopausal women getting full replacement
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and perimenopolls, and women who are you know, not not
necessarily needing full replacement, but receiving hormones. About forty to
six percent of those women will still have UM, can
still have vaginal symptoms, vaginal dryness, vaginal irritation, and require
some form of vaginal estrogen. So just because you're on
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hormone replacement therapy doesn't mean that you vagina is fixed.
The vagina is it so has in mind of its own.
It's a self cleaning oven it you know, sort of
UM functions in a in a different um ecosystem, So
it isn't This conversation is important. We have to make
our vagina is a priority. We have to understand the anatomy.
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We have to understand how our age and hormones and
having babies impacts the you know, our our genital urinary
track and UM. The treatments that are available so when
you're you know, we can go into the different baginal
rejuvenation treatments that are available today and UM and the
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ones that you have to go to a doctor for
in the office, and then there's also UM some home units.
There's one in ridicular that I set that I'm on
the board of this company and I wanted to have
it here with me. I call it forgetting that, but
that is UM. There's new and evolving technology to help
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women maintain UM function and control UM at home. I
think that there's just so much shame surrounding the conversation.
And it's interesting. I watched my kids and how my
kids are in just a different generation in terms of
they're so open about things. Whereas when I was a kid,
I would not said vagina any of these words. That
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would have just been like, oh my god, we can't
talk about that. Where my kids they just they their
their openness and the way that they're growing up is amazing.
And it's also interesting that I feel like the whole
idea of vaginal rejuvenation, not the idea, but the conversation
has all of a sudden exploded recently. I'm seeing it everywhere,
and I think about my grandmother's, my mom, my greatgrandmother's,
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like we exactly we would I would see that, and
so I knew it had something to do with menopause,
but nobody talked about it and all the other things
they just dealt with silently, you know, and dealt with.
I was looking on your Instagram and I love how
you say, no more shame. There's no more shame about this,
and that is such a big deal. I mean, the
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idea of you know that cosmetic stuff is in some
way shameful. You shouldn't be shamed and shamed to do it,
and you shouldn't be shamed not to do it. Just
do whatever's gonna make you happy. But I love that
you know, just this the conversation. I just learned more
about menopause in the past like a few minutes with you.
Then I like, that's like double the information that I
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are that I have and that's the next phase in
my life. Do you have a lot of clients as well?
I know there's obviously a lot of people that seek
this out have had children and have after effects of
such that they would like to rehabilitate. In essence, um,
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do you have a lot of clients that haven't had
children that just started looking to improve overall appearance laxity?
I have until I was talking more because that was
your interest, I was, I've been talking in terms of
donation about the functional side of it. I really didn't,
you know, touch on the purely aesthetic um side of
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side of these technologies. And an answer to your question,
younger women, because of shows like this, and because of
social media, and because of what's going on with your children,
in that these taboos are you know, slowly crumbling and um,
there is more openness and more conversations happening that younger generations,
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younger younger people are more comfortable talking about about it.
And also, you know, have concerns about prevention. And I've
seen I remember being shocked when I saw twenty year
olds getting botox. Remember that they're doing it, and they're
doing they're all they're doing it to prevent even though
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they don't have wrinkles yet, they're doing botox to prevent
themselves from getting wrinkles, which, by the way, this is
just a sidebar, is going to prematurely age them because
it actually feast and muscles, so the muscles are gonna
false sooner. The whole concept of being face is you know,
muscles after thee and fall with age. Doing botox makes
that worse. So these young girls that are putting botox
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in the face in their twenties. While it's gonna maybe
prevent the fine lines, their faces are gonna sat back sooner.
But that's a side. That's a side. In terms of UMSTEIN,
both doing the m faith do all four treatments will
allow you to do less fillers and less botox, that's
for sure, and they've studied that. So that so from
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the sample of prevention of aging and also preventing allowing
you to views, they're enabling you to be less needles, fillers,
botox and threads and things like that. That's the beauty
of these technologies. The same applies to the vagina and
what these girls are doing in terms of prevention. They
are essentially active young women that are interested in UM
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enhancing and restoring tone and also improving their keeople their
people strength without having to do you know, a hundred
five keegle crunches at every stop while you have you know,
sort of like the lazy man's um like the gas.
You know what you know about the use that divides
so instead of the unskilled is the equivalent to sixteen
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weeks high intensity interval training. So UM these treatments, the
boundary regiuvenation treatments and There's also another one I don't
know if you've heard of, called the m Sella day.
It's in the same scult same company and face and
sculpt and Sella and Sella is um. This is the
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sure for it. This is what the chair looks like.
Actually sit on that you can be totally and this
I intensity focal electric stimulation to the pelvic floor. So
you sit on this chair for twenty minutes and it's stipped.
Men who can do this too, by the way, and
chances or album orgasm erections, and men also for incontinence,
and men after they had constate surgery. But also you know,
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I probably predominantly do it in women. This is the
equivalent of doing um twelve thousand full um belly keegoal crunches.
And the cool thing about that technology and kind of
in the line what you're saying about the muscle. So
the pelvic floor is a hammock that holds your pelvic organs,
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your bladder, your uterus, a little part of your comb
rectum and uritra. And as you age and after babies,
it becomes attenuated relax you know, stretched out um and
the kegel muscles are at the the very bottom whether
you root for those through. So there's a hammock and
then a little hole. This is you know where the
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kegels are and you can voluntarily contract those. The rest
of the pelvic floor isn't voluntarily voluntary muscle Be like
me telling you contract your colon or you dilate your pupil.
You can't do it. So the cool thing about the emcella.
What I really appreciate about the emstella is that not
only does it contract fully contracted kegel muscles, but also
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helps to contract and restore tone to the pelvic floor,
which we can't. There's no other way to do that.
And the pelvic floor and your abdominal pore are intimately connected.
So in terms of mobility, flexibility, posture, strength, all of
them is interconnected. UM, which is another reason why I'm
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I love you know, the combat m sculpt at quarter
floor UM training the lazy man's way without you know,
having to go to the gym. I get. You get
a lot of pushback. They think your kids aren't real
or whatever. I get pushed back and um, you know,
and people making comments about me pushing these treatments and
I just go to the gym. You do it on
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your which you can, but to your point, after you've
pushed a couple of babies out of there, you know,
you can't even find your keeples. Like being a dancer
and having and knowing your body and all, that is
an advantage, but most people you know, don't don't have
that level of consciousness about their you know, their pelvic floors.
So that's where where these things come in. And for
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the esthetics, you know, these basual rejuvenation streament. What happens
when we talk about aesthetics young women and older, what
they worry about it all? I think it all started
when we started taking away hair, when the hairless issue.
You know where you used to like little triangles of
hair and then you couldn't see anything over there and
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nobody was really talking about. But once we hairlessness became
a thing. Now you can see everything and what um
the areas are concerned are the outside labia become droopy, saggy,
deflated um looking. They can also change in appearance. The
color instead of being pink and youthful terns, especially after
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babies and don't know about yours, maybe look and talk
about they turned more like gray dark color as supposed
to use the pink um and plump so they side
lady the inner labia. Women are also concerned about the
hanging and length and droopiness of that and and that
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is you know, I have an issue. So I'm a
huge proponent for you know, body positivity, especially as it
comes to our genital area. And there's you know a
range of what is um considered normal and the ideals
that women have which are skewed because of porn and
who knows what like what they what what we're considering
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to be beautiful down there are ideals that aren't even realistic.
So a lot of what I do is, you know,
um educating women. And I have this book called Pedals,
which has photographs of at least three hundred l you know,
vulvas with labias that are long, short, one this black, white,
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you know, all sorts of different ones, different variations of
anatomy that are all wrong. And the inner labia serve
a purpose. They are sexual in nature, so they the
inner labia grab around the penis so they in gorge
with blood. So they need to in gorged that there's
a rectile tissue in there. There is um lubrication that
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is excreted from the inner labia, and they serve to
provide additional length, so as the penis is going in
and out, they kind of reach around. Now, chopping those off,
you're removing sexual tessue, sexual organs um and so I'm
not a huge fan of of doing that unless there's
a symmetry one. You know, I have had young girls
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were ones dramatically longer than the other where it's interfering
and you know, I had a surfer young girl who
was on the surf team and would pop out of
a bathing suit, and where there's anatomic issues that are
um interfering with athletic function, sexual function, or there's a symmetry.
I you know, I definitely am supportive of surgical correction
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in those cases, but um in every in most other women,
those changes in skin texture, her tone, and even lane
we can shrink up a little bit with these vaginal
redouvenation treatments. Now, am I like the poster child for
for that going out there like let's improve? No, I'm not,
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but there is a demand and there is interest and
things like that are happening in the media. Are you
know that are raising more interests and awareness about the
appearance of how it looks down there. Who would have thought.
I never would have imagined in a million you when
I started in this field. You know, when I got
on my resident N was is like I couldn't even
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say CLITTERI is on the news. I was on the
evening news with Tom and Tom Broke back then and
ninety we were talking about viagra when I got Acta
proved in men. But I couldn't say clitters. I couldn't
say I had to say female genital area. And we
were really really controlled about how we could talk. We
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could say petis and erection and all that stuff, but
anything regarding the anatomic variations or definitions and the female
I was not allowed to even say. So the fact
that we're now, you know, today we're using those words.
We're talking about um the anatomy and improving the appearance
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of it. I never milion, You're what I thought. Again,
it goes back to the shame. It goes to the
point of once we've had children, we should not and
we should not worry about such things because that's vain,
that's vain, it's frivolous, it's ridiculous. Yet at the same time, confusion.
We've got to still feel great and sexy and energetic
and all of those things. I mean, it's it's just
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a lot of confusion. And I think if we just
really simplify it down to do what makes you happy,
here is information, Here is different things that you can
do or cannot do if if they're not right for you.
And also, um, you know, let's get better educated about
the part of our system, of our body that we
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have been so ashamed of its former generation. With your
kids and the openness that women won't have those fears
anymore and won't have shame about it and will encourage
their partners to participate and without fear and without shame.
And you know, I think you're doing a lot for that.
Being your mother does not mean you're not a sexual
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empower being anymore. And you have to you know, kind
of go turn into like a misdoubt fire, a little
you know person that it it is and to you know,
pass these things onto our children. Empowerment and sexuality and
feeling good about ourselves and feeling univerally seconds being at
all that stuff, um is important. And I think the
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days where you know, when I was growing up, my
mother remember my mother became a menopausal and her mother
you just dealt with it like this is what happens
when you get old. You kind of shrivel up and
you stop having sex, and you become you know, um,
roommates with your partner, and you know, then you become
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friends and you play golf and life goes on and
then when you die. And I have made it my
mission to change that that now you know, we are
entitled to be sexually active, sexually empowered, feeling bit vital
and full of life into meta pause and they're after um.
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You know that that's a huge part of my like
what I believe and my cause and you know, the
changes that I want to see, you know, in terms
of how women live and age. So I have a question.
You know, obviously air show is called which is anonymous,
and we always try to find the link with women
and they're they're the part they play and what we
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are discussing. And widely a lot of women that were
called witches were midwives and healers and people that helped
with childbirth and with you know, we're very involved in
the female anatomy and I you know, obviously that was
in the six and I think, like what we're talking
about with bodily shame here and like not feeling comfortable
looking at yourself. I feel like if we look back
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at history and we look at how women in this
work were demonized, and then we look towards the Victorian
era where you know, husbands really controlled their wives bodies
in such a way that hysteria became an issue and
women were going to their doctors to virtually orgasm because
they were, you know, in such a state. Um, how
do you feel and how have you seen? I mean,
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obviously that's a long line to draw, but what you're
doing now is really helping women maintain their ability to
find pleasure. Do a lot of your patients after the
procedure feel a heightened sense of ability to climax. And
I love your reference to that, you know, the work
when we were talking earlier about how the stigmas between
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men and women, like how they described male like love
snake of the lot, you know, and the female like
colloquial words you know, clam and are are negative, where
the words are positive and empowering female. The colloquial words
to describe female general areas are usually offensive and mood
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and have a negative connotation. But and the word hysteria
comes from hysteros or hit the womb that hit you know,
the the uterus or history UM when women get their
periods around the periods hysteria, the craziness that we you know,
the moodiness, the ups and downs, the angry hot cool. UM.
We're being treated with vibratory stimulation and I UM have
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read a lot about that too. I was interested in that,
and I even had went back and looked at some
of the early vibrators that they used and the types
of there's a Broadway play. UM actually called in the
other room about this topic. A dot the doctor the
after that we're seeing all these women that would go
into his back room and UM so I remember seeing that.
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But um so from the where we were in victory age,
we're still UM kind of closeted. To where we are now,
I think that I think we have we have come
a long way, and especially you know this isn't part
of this topic, but you making me think about it.
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In advances in UM, the openness that we have about
erotic toys for women and women run companies there you
know CEO ladies were that have developed UM toys for
women for this purpose. The same topics that we're talking
they're coming at it from you know, sales and marketing,
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we're coming at it from education. But this, um, there
is a movement now about more openness, not necessarily about
the anatomy and what it looks like and how it works,
that's it, but in terms of empowering women to be
sexually satisfied and not have to rely on a man
to do it. That we have the ability to be
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sexually fulfilled, be sexually satisfied completely our own, with or without,
you know, a partner or a man, and we have
the tools and education to do that now. Um. And
whether it's the witches or the empowered or you know,
the brave amongst us that have brought that to the forefront,
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it's it's happening. And um, it needs to have there
needs there needs to be like like, um, a unity
because we're talking about sex and sexuality you know in
one area and health was motherhood and another it's still
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a little segregated. So the reason why this conversation and
these topics are so important that you know, you can
that you can be sexually satisfied, sexually motivated and still
be your mother. You can worry about the toughness of
your vagina and how what it is and still be
you know, a mother and you know mother figure and
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a professional and I respected a person. And yeah, so
that that's the goal. And these treatments, these vaginal rejuven
rejuvenation treatments UM, were originally shunned by a COG and
the American College of the Sectists and Gynecologists. They tried
to say, I feel like they do a disservice to
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women in many ways. One was the issues with breast cancer,
where they came out and told everybody that holemotiled breast
cancer and how to recant that they did the same
thing without the rejuvenation. They came out with with a
statement UM and that these statements were mutilating to women
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and that they should be outlawed and that the FDA
needed to pull the clearance from the treatments. And there
was basically a movement driven by people right like the
revolution from women, UM that we're fighting back about the
how these treatments helped improve their urinary continents and who
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their marriages, improved their self esteem, improve their wives. And
they were canted that too, you know, they came back
and say, okay, well in this case and so UM.
Part of the problem that that I see is that
the UM that that the American College of the Steps
in thattecology, that for those those and those doctors should
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be the gatekeepers to women's health. That's who we go
to there, you know, when we're having babies, so trying
to conceive and conceiving and carrying babies to turn. They
are wonderful for that um of e g. Lants, But
when it comes to after that, like UM and quality
of life, sexual function, you know, things along those lines,
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it's there. They really aren't able to yet as far
as I'm concerned, as far as I'm in my opinion,
they don't have protocols, they don't have a standard care.
They haven't educated about a decade of their doctors on
how to manage hormone imbalanced, imperimental pause, much less menopause.
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So they are not you know, they don't have their
finger on the pulse of what's current in hormone placement
therapy UM today as far as I'm concerned, and that
is also its driving the confusion one swimming I've made
my career based on their lack you know, so people
eventually find me, like those that are that are resourceful
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and those that are educated, and those that are you know,
they try that are online or reading or talking to
people eventually find me in one way or the other
or somebody like me. Um. But you know, there's millions
of them out there that that are struggling, and which
is why these conversations are so important that there is
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help out there, that you're not crazy, that you know
these changes that occur as we get older and after
babies happen, and that there are solutions for them. I
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have a question about something a little more intense, and
I don't know if this is something you've actually had
a firsthand experience with, but because we talk about so
many women that have been oppressed or you know, not
encouraged to embrace their sexuality and themselves fully. Obviously, genital
mutilation is still a huge problem around the world. Have
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you seen any people or had any clients that have
experienced that and come in and been able to find
ways to stimulate themselves with these treatments at all? Be
fascinated if you can revive that, And especially when I
was at u c l a UM, there was you
know there um there was I guess a collude with
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Arabic countries. And what I learned most importantly interestingly enough,
is that you know, the shock and horror that we
have and the reaction we have to what has happened
to them is not well received. So they even the
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wind that it happened to are not um, do not
perceive it as you know, abuse, And it's cultural and
there's religious aspects to it. There's a coming of age
to it. So I had to learn um that that
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you know that how my my reaction and my care,
my everything at um, that this is part of their
their culture and their beliefs. It's not up to me
to judge or to save them. You know. I was
wanting to rescue them all, get them out of there,
getting rid of that man that did that, you know,
that was in my head. But the men frequently brought
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the brought the women in. And I learned, you know,
respectful boundaries as it goes to that, and that we
were able to help to an enhanced sensation, enhanced party.
Now when you cut off some of these put it,
there's degrees of the of the procedures that they do.
The mutilation between you know, just minimal like you know,
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circum female certain decision to amputation of the culturists to
sort of they call infibulation where basically there's no volva
you know, to speak of um. But in most cases
we are able to help to improve um function and
once and make things better. But just in the same
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vein that we were talking about removing a reptile tissue
for cosmetic purposes, the same applies there. I mean, that's
that where the American College of the Steps of the
Hoeging is calling calling that mutilation, and in some senses
it is you're you're you know, you're cutting tissue off um,
but not completely um altering, you know, the genital area.
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I don't know if we're ever going to get to
a point. Although now what's happening in Iran is um
you know, with the women spearheaded by the women. There's
so so much, so many issues over there that are
glowing up. But it started with with women, you know,
speaking out and women's being out for other women. And
we're in an oppressed country, women risking their lives and
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you know, for for the purpose and for the cause,
and you know, that's how change begins. So hopefully those
procedures and practices will um you know, become obsolete and
maybe a distant more world regions they those things happen,
but hopefully we're you know again, I'm careful not to
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judge because or say I hope it ends because to
them it's not something you know that that's considered back UM,
but their consequences to doing it. And I think everybody understands,
including you know, those that believe in those practices are
recognizing that there are UM consequences that can impact the
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that that that woman's function, happiness and sexuality, and that
just recognizing it, even if they just recognizing it now,
which they which they're beginning to UM, makes a difference.
And hopefully if you know, there will be modifications made
UM so that you know, permanent damage doesn't to occur. Fascinating,
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wonderful to hear. We're so grateful for your time. UM.
We do something called what are we covering in the cobin.
I don't know if they if you're you're prepared for this,
but it's just kind of a favorite thing something you'd
like to to share with us. I think, you know,
the biggest thing that I would say two for women.
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And to your point is that you know, pay attention
to your feelings, pay attention to your body, don't neglect
your vagininia um, and that you know, as long as
once there's awareness, knowledge is power. And that's what we're
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giving people as knowledge, and we're empowering women with knowledge
and information about their general area, about their body, about
their hormones. And I guess I think that that's the
biggest thing that I have to offer. That's my my
purpose um in life actually, and I'm happy to have
been able to participate in this conversation. Thank you. So
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I think and if you had one one um one
product that we all went out to go get that
we could go. I'll go out to get not without
not going to a place where we need a prescription
or just like something that we could find that would
help our vaginal health. There's a product called CEO too.
D have you head have CEO two based um that
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the two reaction, so the same technology is applied for
for in the vagina. The c O two functions to
increase blood flow to the microcirculation of the journa. So
this is a really soothing, healing, restorative treatment. It comes
in a box. You can get this over the counter.
It's called CEO t V finds carboxy therapy carboxy therapy
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for vaginal treat vaginal rejuvenation treatment. It comes. It has
UM in two packets and the reason it can't be
preloaded because the CEO two only stays active for forty
five minutes, so you have to use it right away
over a period of five days. So if you're experiencing
any changes in vaginal sensation, UM, vaginal dryness, as well
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as the appearance. This also improves the appearance of the
outside UM. This is one of my favorite products. Show
you how to use it. It said, you know, just
start to get to sported and you know the bottels
sported in and what's left over on the outside. What's
what's left over that you haven't put inside. You can
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wipe on the outside UM and it's amazing. Helps to
improve sexual function response, helps to restore vaginal lubrication. It
helps to improve the printly crazy joy saggy appearance. If
you have that on the outside, that sounds like a
much better investment than the Yoni egg. Yeah. Dr Burman,
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thank you so much for this mind blowing education, your
time and the work you do to make women feel
more empowered. Thank you so much. That was a good one.
That was fascinating. Yeah, and I don't know about you, Michelle,
but I am someone that I've it's like, I want
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to do cosmetic things and you know, I've tried the
M face and I've you know, my super gray so
like I dye my hair, my my natural ish hair color.
But you know, I mean I'll do things, Um, I
do my nails. But then there's like these lines of
like where it's like, you know, are we are we
too vain? Are we too should we be embarrassed? What
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do we share? What we don't? I don't know if
you've noticed that in the cosmetic space of the stuff
that's considered to be like okay, Like people will go
and they'll post themselves doing M face, but they're like,
but I'm not going to talk about the botox or
I'm not going to talk about the pillars. Right, there's
that that invisible line where people are not comfortable sharing.
But I think that like takes us back to Jody
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Patterson and all the gender affirming procedures we do, right,
Like why are we comfortable talking about getting our lashes
done as opposed to botox, and I I don't know
the answer, but you know, I'm I'll admit that I've
done things. But you also, you know, part of having
these tools scientifically, we want to be able to say, hey,
like I look the age I feel I am, you know,
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and so it is so personal, so I don't want
to judge. But when it comes down to like you know,
social media icons and such that have so clearly done
things and just create this unattainable beauty, uh, you know,
aspirational mark where it's so clear that they've had multiple
surgeries to get there and refused to talk about it.
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I think that's where it gets dangerous. I guess omitting
your botox whatever. And I'm actually now terrified about like
what she said about preventative bow talks. So I was like,
oh damn. I thought I was getting ahead of this,
but my face drops in the next few years. Well,
we'll call Jennifer, Call Jennifer. All right, ladies, that's it
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you for joining the Coven Today, ladies,
Which is anonymous with the Laria Baldwin and Michelle Campbell
Mason and I heart radio podcast. Hey, which is welcome
back to which is anonymous. I'm Michelle and I met
Larry and today we're talking about vaginal rejuvenation. Hi. My
name is Dr Jennifer Berman. I'm a urologist, best selling author,
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and sexual health expert. I'm here today to talk about
vaginal health, general red donation, everything to do with a vagina,
and hopefully we'll talk about hormones too. Hi. Dr Berman,
thank you for coming on. As I have a question
because I've been cruising your website. How do you how
do you really feel about m face? Because I just
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did it for the first time. You've got to do
all four of them. But I okay, so okay, I
have it. We have we have the machine, so that
is a what's cool about the other base? You know?
Radio frequency here has been around forever. We've been using
that to live and tightened skin on the face next body,
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but this is the first technology that has incorporated um
electrical stimulation for the muscles of the face, which to
me makes so much sense because as we age. In
addition to the college and Alaskin looseness of the skin
being muscles are also sagging and drooping and falling as
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we age in our whole bodies include our face. And um,
there really isn't any other technology available right now that
he dresses the falling in sidding and patrop being muscles
of the face. Um, this one. And so I think
that combining the radio the frequency heat with the electrical
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stimulation is um, definitely new as it pertains the face,
not new it pertains the body. We know about the
meal and then we've combined heat with electrical stimulation to
sculpt and tighten other parts of the buy. And it's
natural that they I thought to do it in the
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face too. Um, So I think, um, it's definitely effective.
We see results quickly. Did you know are so young
and you don't have a lot of um, you know,
there's not a lot of tots are falling yet, so
for thank you for you know it makes you know,
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smoothing and tightening and don't preventative purposes or if there
was a specific area you know whatever they focus on.
But so you might not see as dramatic as results
as somebody in their forties multilate forwards early fifties, but
you know, people are in their thirties and early forties,
who have you know, prevature aging in certain areas and
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the wonderful thank you. I just finished my fourth session.
I did it and that's actually how I how I
found you was uh Dr rash Akavan, Who's who's my
dermatologist here in New York. He you know, I asked him.
I was like, I'm hearing this vaginal rejuvenation. What is
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the vaginal rejuvenation. I've had so many children and I
know nothing about this? What like, what is what is this?
And He's like, you must talk with Dr bourbon Um No.
So interestingly, through these vaginal rejuvenation treatments is how I
got into the minimally based of aesthetics. So I eurologist
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neurologist by training UM, and I focus on female neurology,
sexual health, a lot of thermal balance, a lot to
do with Vogel health and Bagel Kainda and UM in
continents and UM. When these technologies came to the forefront,
it really revolutionized the standard of care as if chains
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to female neurology, because before what we would do if
a woman had stressing continence after a baby. I mean
they're at yogie. So maybe we don't have it, but
most every woman at least at a period of time
after and then again when become older menopausal will experience
stress your air in continents, which is we can all
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blacks needs jump, exercise, run or whatever. And before these
devices became available, we would have to operate. That we
were doing slings on everybody, hundreds of thousands of sling
slings and prosing. So now that the new technology, the
standard care is not to immediately you know, operate and
put in a foreign body. But these technologies are effective.
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And not only the juvenating and enchancing um, the wall,
the lining of the vagina, ypening things back after we
have babies and they get older, but lifting and supporting
um and spoil the bladder and your RECAF. And so
I was one of the you know, the earl and
the key opinion leaders for the companies, and I was
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talking about them and you know, doing research with them,
and I would go to the meetings and they and
I'd have to go and I went to the plastic
surgery meetings and derm meetings with these companies about the
fradulal new juvenation device, and I was there that I
saw this machine also works on the base like wait
a minute, heat can and I was like, yeah, you
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know I need that. And then I was like, okay,
well it also works on your body, like so that's
so I got introduced kind of backhanded to minimaly invasive
um medical aesthetic treatments through the backdoor via my godgual
new juven nation. Um uh, you know, knowledge and experience,
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and so now I've incorporating all of that into my
practice because I'm an aging woman and all the things
that I offer, including their base and things um you
know that are are preventative and or you know, I
said beauty from the inside out, that we address mormal balance,
how to look and feel they're optimal best and then
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you know these are things are part and personal to
getting older. Well, so talk to us a little bit
about that. And so my body has experienced many beings
passing passing through my vagina. I mean, my doctor is
always like, just do keegeles, Just do keegeles, and and
I do. And to be quite honest, a lot of
I think I don't know a lot about this because
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I haven't experienced the problems that I'm starting to hear happen.
But I think, Okay, well, I'm approaching four years old,
I'm thirty eight. Right now, I'm approaching forty years old.
I don't necessarily see a problem. I don't feel a
problem like I've heard. But then I start to think
what would be helpful for me now to do and
know to prepare me for the future. Do you recognize,
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hopefully that you are a phenomen just begrtue of having
looking the way you do, functioning the way you do,
and having had you know, six babies. This isn't normal
and um, I don't know, I've never seen it before. Um, well,
there's a lot of conspiracies online that I never had
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any kids. That's a whole other episode. That's a whole episode.
Well it's I mean, it's worth thinking about on your end.
I mean, it is not I who am I to
say what what's normal? But in general, women, you know,
after um to sometimes three babies, you know their their
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bodies are done, um in terms of ability to carry
another baby to term, the amount of weight that um
that you put on. And then also once you get
into your mid to late thirties, your you know your
your resilience and you know ability to balance back is
it changes, so the fact um and your body changes,
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and I you know, there's I love to talk about
myths that we're told or that we believe that we
were you know and we're kids that you know one
of them was your vagina just pus is right back,
you know, baby comes out and like you know, it's
going again. And that at least my experience and most
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um women is not is not the case. It doesn't
just pop right back um to where it was and
what it was. Pretty baby when you carry baby to
turn and you deliver badgelate, now you might be a
phenom and um you know have due to your core
strength and the fact that your your yoga practice definitely
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is when you're asking about prevention, those you know, those
exercises that that you do your wise that improved pelic
for strength and tone are one of the things. But
when you when you're told to do a keegol, like
after you have babies and your doctor says do keego exercises,
to me, it's like telling a nine year old woman
like to live you know, a hundred fifty pounds, you
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can't engage once like a watermelon has come out of there.
I one of my these was nine pounds eight ounces,
and once that like crosses through there, there's no you know,
going back to the way it was and trying to
do key goals afterwards, you know what, they were not engageable.
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The cool thing about these new vaginal rejuvenation technologies is
that they function to help to restore pelic for strength
and tone, as well as the keegold muscles UM, which
are important not only for control of urine but also
supporting your pelic organs and also um sexual function and response.
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So when you talk about function in versus esthetics UM,
to me, function would be UM the improvement of vaginal
lubrication because as you become older, and certainly after babies
with fluctuations and hormones um, the ecosystem of the vagina changes,
and if the lining because becomes thinner, more friable, women
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will will frequently report vaginal dryness or irritation. They may
also complain of urinary symptoms, if not incontinence, urinary frequency, urgency, UM, irritation,
or burning. And you know, the doctors might think it's
t I. Whenever we call those general urinary symptoms of menopause,
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but they can occur before menopause and when in your age,
both of your ages, especially after having after having babies,
and due to the fact that you're becoming paramenopausal. Paramenopausal
is by definition means that you're still getting your periods
regularly or perhaps even irregular, but may or may not
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be experiencing symptoms, and those symptoms can be like in
terms of the vagina, vaginal dryness, vaginal pain with intercourse,
um laxity in the vagina, or funeral looser you know,
less um sensation in that area. UM. Women also difficulty sleeping,
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fallingessly in the paramountal pause, foliously distancously, moody, more furable
and short fused, more we be in depressed. Whatever susceptibilities
you have to Anxiety and depression get worse in the
paramenal pause, especially around your period. Um sexual function and response,
your motivation, libido, your sexual motivation and desire to be sexual.
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Orgasm can change, becomes less, less intense, harder to come by,
so the cost benefit analysis of insects doesn't payoff. Is
Orgasm is UM and it's frustrating. So all of these
symptoms can occur in women that are not metapousi during
the paramount pause and what happens and also focus, concentration, memory,
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and what happens is we attribute them to a lot
of other things to stress the pandemic, having seven babies,
who wouldn't be forgetful of seven kids gonna around obviously
make excuses for those things, you know, to kind of
push them away, when in reality they're due to hormone
and balance. And so just knowing that both in the
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back room minds knowing you know, as you're going through
your lives, is you know that that we don't, you know,
sort of brush off the symptoms and or get put
on antidepressants or get put on a d D meds,
or get put on diabills because they can't lose the weight.
You know, that's I see that, you know, more often
than not. And so you know, just having in the
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backroom minds that these symptoms that happened to me before.
By the time you become menopausal, meaning that you're not
having a period anymore for at least twelve ones, then
what you have all the same symptoms but worse, and
you also have hot flashes and night s west By
the way, though perimenopausal women, some perimenoposts women can experience
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hot flashes and night sweats. They on a milder level,
but they can still experience them. But those are really hot.
Flash is the night subs are the typical ones that
everybody knows about. You know, you know, getting hot, you
know we all know about that. But in addition to
help flash, the night swubs, all those other symptoms, sexual symptoms,
um leaning, muscle mass over fat mass, your endurance and
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strength during exercise, your muscle recovery, joints, drength, bone strength,
all of that is impacted by hormones and hormonic balance.
So I have a huge advocate for optimizing hormone balance
to women. I believe everything health, wellness, longevity, and also
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quality of life well being starts and stops with hormone
and balance. And when we get older and if things
are at us, when our issues start symptom lage news
as well as bone millers, at the mental de mineralization
all times, disease, colon cancer, also you know, cardiovascular disease information. Everything.
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As we start to break down, our bodies break down
at the root of it. I'm not gonna say it's
all due to hormone balance. But if we I believe
that we can start early, and that's that's not necessarily
the standard of care right now, as you know, in
in terms of the field of O sutors and gynecology, UM,
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they don't necessarily agree with me. UM there uh and
you know that's a whole other conversation. But UM, in
terms of the research that's ongoing right now, there's scientifics
let's see book control, Political Trial, and I in funded
grants that are UM and and evidence space research showing
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that intervention early meaning before you're in the throwings of
health uns and next pestis is beneficial, especially in terms
of the cognitive function and prevention of cognitive decline and
prevention of Alzheimer's. So when you're into in your mid
to late thirties and early forties and having symptoms and
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you have your levels checked and if there is in
balut you're having symptoms and there there is imbalanced, I
am a huge proponent for UM, you know, for intervention
early as it pertains the hormone balance. And then in
terms of your vagina, for the vaginal redubnation things, it
is important. Another thing is women who are receiving hormone
replacement therapy full on hormone menopausal women getting full replacement
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and perimenopolls, and women who are you know, not not
necessarily needing full replacement, but receiving hormones. About forty to
six percent of those women will still have UM, can
still have vaginal symptoms, vaginal dryness, vaginal irritation, and require
some form of vaginal estrogen. So just because you're on
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hormone replacement therapy doesn't mean that you vagina is fixed.
The vagina is it so has in mind of its own.
It's a self cleaning oven it you know, sort of
UM functions in a in a different um ecosystem, So
it isn't This conversation is important. We have to make
our vagina is a priority. We have to understand the anatomy.
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We have to understand how our age and hormones and
having babies impacts the you know, our our genital urinary
track and UM. The treatments that are available so when
you're you know, we can go into the different baginal
rejuvenation treatments that are available today and UM and the
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ones that you have to go to a doctor for
in the office, and then there's also UM some home units.
There's one in ridicular that I set that I'm on
the board of this company and I wanted to have
it here with me. I call it forgetting that, but
that is UM. There's new and evolving technology to help
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women maintain UM function and control UM at home. I
think that there's just so much shame surrounding the conversation.
And it's interesting. I watched my kids and how my
kids are in just a different generation in terms of
they're so open about things. Whereas when I was a kid,
I would not said vagina any of these words. That
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would have just been like, oh my god, we can't
talk about that. Where my kids they just they their
their openness and the way that they're growing up is amazing.
And it's also interesting that I feel like the whole
idea of vaginal rejuvenation, not the idea, but the conversation
has all of a sudden exploded recently. I'm seeing it everywhere,
and I think about my grandmother's, my mom, my greatgrandmother's,
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like we exactly we would I would see that, and
so I knew it had something to do with menopause,
but nobody talked about it and all the other things
they just dealt with silently, you know, and dealt with.
I was looking on your Instagram and I love how
you say, no more shame. There's no more shame about this,
and that is such a big deal. I mean, the
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idea of you know that cosmetic stuff is in some
way shameful. You shouldn't be shamed and shamed to do it,
and you shouldn't be shamed not to do it. Just
do whatever's gonna make you happy. But I love that
you know, just this the conversation. I just learned more
about menopause in the past like a few minutes with you.
Then I like, that's like double the information that I
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are that I have and that's the next phase in
my life. Do you have a lot of clients as well?
I know there's obviously a lot of people that seek
this out have had children and have after effects of
such that they would like to rehabilitate. In essence, um,
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do you have a lot of clients that haven't had
children that just started looking to improve overall appearance laxity?
I have until I was talking more because that was
your interest, I was, I've been talking in terms of
donation about the functional side of it. I really didn't,
you know, touch on the purely aesthetic um side of
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side of these technologies. And an answer to your question,
younger women, because of shows like this, and because of
social media, and because of what's going on with your children,
in that these taboos are you know, slowly crumbling and um,
there is more openness and more conversations happening that younger generations,
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younger younger people are more comfortable talking about about it.
And also, you know, have concerns about prevention. And I've
seen I remember being shocked when I saw twenty year
olds getting botox. Remember that they're doing it, and they're
doing they're all they're doing it to prevent even though
(20:28):
they don't have wrinkles yet, they're doing botox to prevent
themselves from getting wrinkles, which, by the way, this is
just a sidebar, is going to prematurely age them because
it actually feast and muscles, so the muscles are gonna
false sooner. The whole concept of being face is you know,
muscles after thee and fall with age. Doing botox makes
that worse. So these young girls that are putting botox
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in the face in their twenties. While it's gonna maybe
prevent the fine lines, their faces are gonna sat back sooner.
But that's a side. That's a side. In terms of UMSTEIN,
both doing the m faith do all four treatments will
allow you to do less fillers and less botox, that's
for sure, and they've studied that. So that so from
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the sample of prevention of aging and also preventing allowing
you to views, they're enabling you to be less needles, fillers,
botox and threads and things like that. That's the beauty
of these technologies. The same applies to the vagina and
what these girls are doing in terms of prevention. They
are essentially active young women that are interested in UM
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enhancing and restoring tone and also improving their keeople their
people strength without having to do you know, a hundred
five keegle crunches at every stop while you have you know,
sort of like the lazy man's um like the gas.
You know what you know about the use that divides
so instead of the unskilled is the equivalent to sixteen
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weeks high intensity interval training. So UM these treatments, the
boundary regiuvenation treatments and There's also another one I don't
know if you've heard of, called the m Sella day.
It's in the same scult same company and face and
sculpt and Sella and Sella is um. This is the
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sure for it. This is what the chair looks like.
Actually sit on that you can be totally and this
I intensity focal electric stimulation to the pelvic floor. So
you sit on this chair for twenty minutes and it's stipped.
Men who can do this too, by the way, and
chances or album orgasm erections, and men also for incontinence,
and men after they had constate surgery. But also you know,
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I probably predominantly do it in women. This is the
equivalent of doing um twelve thousand full um belly keegoal crunches.
And the cool thing about that technology and kind of
in the line what you're saying about the muscle. So
the pelvic floor is a hammock that holds your pelvic organs,
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your bladder, your uterus, a little part of your comb
rectum and uritra. And as you age and after babies,
it becomes attenuated relax you know, stretched out um and
the kegel muscles are at the the very bottom whether
you root for those through. So there's a hammock and
then a little hole. This is you know where the
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kegels are and you can voluntarily contract those. The rest
of the pelvic floor isn't voluntarily voluntary muscle Be like
me telling you contract your colon or you dilate your pupil.
You can't do it. So the cool thing about the emcella.
What I really appreciate about the emstella is that not
only does it contract fully contracted kegel muscles, but also
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helps to contract and restore tone to the pelvic floor,
which we can't. There's no other way to do that.
And the pelvic floor and your abdominal pore are intimately connected.
So in terms of mobility, flexibility, posture, strength, all of
them is interconnected. UM, which is another reason why I'm
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I love you know, the combat m sculpt at quarter
floor UM training the lazy man's way without you know,
having to go to the gym. I get. You get
a lot of pushback. They think your kids aren't real
or whatever. I get pushed back and um, you know,
and people making comments about me pushing these treatments and
I just go to the gym. You do it on
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your which you can, but to your point, after you've
pushed a couple of babies out of there, you know,
you can't even find your keeples. Like being a dancer
and having and knowing your body and all, that is
an advantage, but most people you know, don't don't have
that level of consciousness about their you know, their pelvic floors.
So that's where where these things come in. And for
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the esthetics, you know, these basual rejuvenation streament. What happens
when we talk about aesthetics young women and older, what
they worry about it all? I think it all started
when we started taking away hair, when the hairless issue.
You know where you used to like little triangles of
hair and then you couldn't see anything over there and
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nobody was really talking about. But once we hairlessness became
a thing. Now you can see everything and what um
the areas are concerned are the outside labia become droopy, saggy,
deflated um looking. They can also change in appearance. The
color instead of being pink and youthful terns, especially after
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babies and don't know about yours, maybe look and talk
about they turned more like gray dark color as supposed
to use the pink um and plump so they side
lady the inner labia. Women are also concerned about the
hanging and length and droopiness of that and and that
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is you know, I have an issue. So I'm a
huge proponent for you know, body positivity, especially as it
comes to our genital area. And there's you know a
range of what is um considered normal and the ideals
that women have which are skewed because of porn and
who knows what like what they what what we're considering
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to be beautiful down there are ideals that aren't even realistic.
So a lot of what I do is, you know,
um educating women. And I have this book called Pedals,
which has photographs of at least three hundred l you know,
vulvas with labias that are long, short, one this black, white,
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you know, all sorts of different ones, different variations of
anatomy that are all wrong. And the inner labia serve
a purpose. They are sexual in nature, so they the
inner labia grab around the penis so they in gorge
with blood. So they need to in gorged that there's
a rectile tissue in there. There is um lubrication that
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is excreted from the inner labia, and they serve to
provide additional length, so as the penis is going in
and out, they kind of reach around. Now, chopping those off,
you're removing sexual tessue, sexual organs um and so I'm
not a huge fan of of doing that unless there's
a symmetry one. You know, I have had young girls
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were ones dramatically longer than the other where it's interfering
and you know, I had a surfer young girl who
was on the surf team and would pop out of
a bathing suit, and where there's anatomic issues that are
um interfering with athletic function, sexual function, or there's a symmetry.
I you know, I definitely am supportive of surgical correction
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in those cases, but um in every in most other women,
those changes in skin texture, her tone, and even lane
we can shrink up a little bit with these vaginal
redouvenation treatments. Now, am I like the poster child for
for that going out there like let's improve? No, I'm not,
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but there is a demand and there is interest and
things like that are happening in the media. Are you
know that are raising more interests and awareness about the
appearance of how it looks down there. Who would have thought.
I never would have imagined in a million you when
I started in this field. You know, when I got
on my resident N was is like I couldn't even
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say CLITTERI is on the news. I was on the
evening news with Tom and Tom Broke back then and
ninety we were talking about viagra when I got Acta
proved in men. But I couldn't say clitters. I couldn't
say I had to say female genital area. And we
were really really controlled about how we could talk. We
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could say petis and erection and all that stuff, but
anything regarding the anatomic variations or definitions and the female
I was not allowed to even say. So the fact
that we're now, you know, today we're using those words.
We're talking about um the anatomy and improving the appearance
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of it. I never milion, You're what I thought. Again,
it goes back to the shame. It goes to the
point of once we've had children, we should not and
we should not worry about such things because that's vain,
that's vain, it's frivolous, it's ridiculous. Yet at the same time, confusion.
We've got to still feel great and sexy and energetic
and all of those things. I mean, it's it's just
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a lot of confusion. And I think if we just
really simplify it down to do what makes you happy,
here is information, Here is different things that you can
do or cannot do if if they're not right for you.
And also, um, you know, let's get better educated about
the part of our system, of our body that we
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have been so ashamed of its former generation. With your
kids and the openness that women won't have those fears
anymore and won't have shame about it and will encourage
their partners to participate and without fear and without shame.
And you know, I think you're doing a lot for that.
Being your mother does not mean you're not a sexual
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empower being anymore. And you have to you know, kind
of go turn into like a misdoubt fire, a little
you know person that it it is and to you know,
pass these things onto our children. Empowerment and sexuality and
feeling good about ourselves and feeling univerally seconds being at
all that stuff, um is important. And I think the
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days where you know, when I was growing up, my
mother remember my mother became a menopausal and her mother
you just dealt with it like this is what happens
when you get old. You kind of shrivel up and
you stop having sex, and you become you know, um,
roommates with your partner, and you know, then you become
(31:08):
friends and you play golf and life goes on and
then when you die. And I have made it my
mission to change that that now you know, we are
entitled to be sexually active, sexually empowered, feeling bit vital
and full of life into meta pause and they're after um.
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You know that that's a huge part of my like
what I believe and my cause and you know, the
changes that I want to see, you know, in terms
of how women live and age. So I have a question.
You know, obviously air show is called which is anonymous,
and we always try to find the link with women
and they're they're the part they play and what we
(31:50):
are discussing. And widely a lot of women that were
called witches were midwives and healers and people that helped
with childbirth and with you know, we're very involved in
the female anatomy and I you know, obviously that was
in the six and I think, like what we're talking
about with bodily shame here and like not feeling comfortable
looking at yourself. I feel like if we look back
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at history and we look at how women in this
work were demonized, and then we look towards the Victorian
era where you know, husbands really controlled their wives bodies
in such a way that hysteria became an issue and
women were going to their doctors to virtually orgasm because
they were, you know, in such a state. Um, how
do you feel and how have you seen? I mean,
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obviously that's a long line to draw, but what you're
doing now is really helping women maintain their ability to
find pleasure. Do a lot of your patients after the
procedure feel a heightened sense of ability to climax. And
I love your reference to that, you know, the work
when we were talking earlier about how the stigmas between
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men and women, like how they described male like love
snake of the lot, you know, and the female like
colloquial words you know, clam and are are negative, where
the words are positive and empowering female. The colloquial words
to describe female general areas are usually offensive and mood
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and have a negative connotation. But and the word hysteria
comes from hysteros or hit the womb that hit you know,
the the uterus or history UM when women get their
periods around the periods hysteria, the craziness that we you know,
the moodiness, the ups and downs, the angry hot cool. UM.
We're being treated with vibratory stimulation and I UM have
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read a lot about that too. I was interested in that,
and I even had went back and looked at some
of the early vibrators that they used and the types
of there's a Broadway play. UM actually called in the
other room about this topic. A dot the doctor the
after that we're seeing all these women that would go
into his back room and UM so I remember seeing that.
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But um so from the where we were in victory age,
we're still UM kind of closeted. To where we are now,
I think that I think we have we have come
a long way, and especially you know this isn't part
of this topic, but you making me think about it.
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In advances in UM, the openness that we have about
erotic toys for women and women run companies there you
know CEO ladies were that have developed UM toys for
women for this purpose. The same topics that we're talking
they're coming at it from you know, sales and marketing,
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we're coming at it from education. But this, um, there
is a movement now about more openness, not necessarily about
the anatomy and what it looks like and how it works,
that's it, but in terms of empowering women to be
sexually satisfied and not have to rely on a man
to do it. That we have the ability to be
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sexually fulfilled, be sexually satisfied completely our own, with or without,
you know, a partner or a man, and we have
the tools and education to do that now. Um. And
whether it's the witches or the empowered or you know,
the brave amongst us that have brought that to the forefront,
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it's it's happening. And um, it needs to have there
needs there needs to be like like, um, a unity
because we're talking about sex and sexuality you know in
one area and health was motherhood and another it's still
(35:51):
a little segregated. So the reason why this conversation and
these topics are so important that you know, you can
that you can be sexually satisfied, sexually motivated and still
be your mother. You can worry about the toughness of
your vagina and how what it is and still be
you know, a mother and you know mother figure and
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a professional and I respected a person. And yeah, so
that that's the goal. And these treatments, these vaginal rejuven
rejuvenation treatments UM, were originally shunned by a COG and
the American College of the Sectists and Gynecologists. They tried
to say, I feel like they do a disservice to
(36:35):
women in many ways. One was the issues with breast cancer,
where they came out and told everybody that holemotiled breast
cancer and how to recant that they did the same
thing without the rejuvenation. They came out with with a
statement UM and that these statements were mutilating to women
(36:55):
and that they should be outlawed and that the FDA
needed to pull the clearance from the treatments. And there
was basically a movement driven by people right like the
revolution from women, UM that we're fighting back about the
how these treatments helped improve their urinary continents and who
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their marriages, improved their self esteem, improve their wives. And
they were canted that too, you know, they came back
and say, okay, well in this case and so UM.
Part of the problem that that I see is that
the UM that that the American College of the Steps
in thattecology, that for those those and those doctors should
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be the gatekeepers to women's health. That's who we go
to there, you know, when we're having babies, so trying
to conceive and conceiving and carrying babies to turn. They
are wonderful for that um of e g. Lants, But
when it comes to after that, like UM and quality
of life, sexual function, you know, things along those lines,
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it's there. They really aren't able to yet as far
as I'm concerned, as far as I'm in my opinion,
they don't have protocols, they don't have a standard care.
They haven't educated about a decade of their doctors on
how to manage hormone imbalanced, imperimental pause, much less menopause.
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So they are not you know, they don't have their
finger on the pulse of what's current in hormone placement
therapy UM today as far as I'm concerned, and that
is also its driving the confusion one swimming I've made
my career based on their lack you know, so people
eventually find me, like those that are that are resourceful
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and those that are educated, and those that are you know,
they try that are online or reading or talking to
people eventually find me in one way or the other
or somebody like me. Um. But you know, there's millions
of them out there that that are struggling, and which
is why these conversations are so important that there is
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help out there, that you're not crazy, that you know
these changes that occur as we get older and after
babies happen, and that there are solutions for them. I
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have a question about something a little more intense, and
I don't know if this is something you've actually had
a firsthand experience with, but because we talk about so
many women that have been oppressed or you know, not
encouraged to embrace their sexuality and themselves fully. Obviously, genital
mutilation is still a huge problem around the world. Have
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you seen any people or had any clients that have
experienced that and come in and been able to find
ways to stimulate themselves with these treatments at all? Be
fascinated if you can revive that, And especially when I
was at u c l a UM, there was you
know there um there was I guess a collude with
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Arabic countries. And what I learned most importantly interestingly enough,
is that you know, the shock and horror that we
have and the reaction we have to what has happened
to them is not well received. So they even the
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wind that it happened to are not um, do not
perceive it as you know, abuse, And it's cultural and
there's religious aspects to it. There's a coming of age
to it. So I had to learn um that that
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you know that how my my reaction and my care,
my everything at um, that this is part of their
their culture and their beliefs. It's not up to me
to judge or to save them. You know. I was
wanting to rescue them all, get them out of there,
getting rid of that man that did that, you know,
that was in my head. But the men frequently brought
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the brought the women in. And I learned, you know,
respectful boundaries as it goes to that, and that we
were able to help to an enhanced sensation, enhanced party.
Now when you cut off some of these put it,
there's degrees of the of the procedures that they do.
The mutilation between you know, just minimal like you know,
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circum female certain decision to amputation of the culturists to
sort of they call infibulation where basically there's no volva
you know, to speak of um. But in most cases
we are able to help to improve um function and
once and make things better. But just in the same
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vein that we were talking about removing a reptile tissue
for cosmetic purposes, the same applies there. I mean, that's
that where the American College of the Steps of the
Hoeging is calling calling that mutilation, and in some senses
it is you're you're you know, you're cutting tissue off um,
but not completely um altering, you know, the genital area.
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I don't know if we're ever going to get to
a point. Although now what's happening in Iran is um
you know, with the women spearheaded by the women. There's
so so much, so many issues over there that are
glowing up. But it started with with women, you know,
speaking out and women's being out for other women. And
we're in an oppressed country, women risking their lives and
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you know, for for the purpose and for the cause,
and you know, that's how change begins. So hopefully those
procedures and practices will um you know, become obsolete and
maybe a distant more world regions they those things happen,
but hopefully we're you know again, I'm careful not to
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judge because or say I hope it ends because to
them it's not something you know that that's considered back UM,
but their consequences to doing it. And I think everybody understands,
including you know, those that believe in those practices are
recognizing that there are UM consequences that can impact the
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that that that woman's function, happiness and sexuality, and that
just recognizing it, even if they just recognizing it now,
which they which they're beginning to UM, makes a difference.
And hopefully if you know, there will be modifications made
UM so that you know, permanent damage doesn't to occur. Fascinating,
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wonderful to hear. We're so grateful for your time. UM.
We do something called what are we covering in the cobin.
I don't know if they if you're you're prepared for this,
but it's just kind of a favorite thing something you'd
like to to share with us. I think, you know,
the biggest thing that I would say two for women.
(44:23):
And to your point is that you know, pay attention
to your feelings, pay attention to your body, don't neglect
your vagininia um, and that you know, as long as
once there's awareness, knowledge is power. And that's what we're
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giving people as knowledge, and we're empowering women with knowledge
and information about their general area, about their body, about
their hormones. And I guess I think that that's the
biggest thing that I have to offer. That's my my
purpose um in life actually, and I'm happy to have
been able to participate in this conversation. Thank you. So
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I think and if you had one one um one
product that we all went out to go get that
we could go. I'll go out to get not without
not going to a place where we need a prescription
or just like something that we could find that would
help our vaginal health. There's a product called CEO too.
D have you head have CEO two based um that
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the two reaction, so the same technology is applied for
for in the vagina. The c O two functions to
increase blood flow to the microcirculation of the journa. So
this is a really soothing, healing, restorative treatment. It comes
in a box. You can get this over the counter.
It's called CEO t V finds carboxy therapy carboxy therapy
(45:54):
for vaginal treat vaginal rejuvenation treatment. It comes. It has
UM in two packets and the reason it can't be
preloaded because the CEO two only stays active for forty
five minutes, so you have to use it right away
over a period of five days. So if you're experiencing
any changes in vaginal sensation, UM, vaginal dryness, as well
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as the appearance. This also improves the appearance of the
outside UM. This is one of my favorite products. Show
you how to use it. It said, you know, just
start to get to sported and you know the bottels
sported in and what's left over on the outside. What's
what's left over that you haven't put inside. You can
(46:40):
wipe on the outside UM and it's amazing. Helps to
improve sexual function response, helps to restore vaginal lubrication. It
helps to improve the printly crazy joy saggy appearance. If
you have that on the outside, that sounds like a
much better investment than the Yoni egg. Yeah. Dr Burman,
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thank you so much for this mind blowing education, your
time and the work you do to make women feel
more empowered. Thank you so much. That was a good one.
That was fascinating. Yeah, and I don't know about you, Michelle,
but I am someone that I've it's like, I want
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to do cosmetic things and you know, I've tried the
M face and I've you know, my super gray so
like I dye my hair, my my natural ish hair color.
But you know, I mean I'll do things, Um, I
do my nails. But then there's like these lines of
like where it's like, you know, are we are we
too vain? Are we too should we be embarrassed? What
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do we share? What we don't? I don't know if
you've noticed that in the cosmetic space of the stuff
that's considered to be like okay, Like people will go
and they'll post themselves doing M face, but they're like,
but I'm not going to talk about the botox or
I'm not going to talk about the pillars. Right, there's
that that invisible line where people are not comfortable sharing.
But I think that like takes us back to Jody
(48:08):
Patterson and all the gender affirming procedures we do, right,
Like why are we comfortable talking about getting our lashes
done as opposed to botox, and I I don't know
the answer, but you know, I'm I'll admit that I've
done things. But you also, you know, part of having
these tools scientifically, we want to be able to say, hey,
like I look the age I feel I am, you know,
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and so it is so personal, so I don't want
to judge. But when it comes down to like you know,
social media icons and such that have so clearly done
things and just create this unattainable beauty, uh, you know,
aspirational mark where it's so clear that they've had multiple
surgeries to get there and refused to talk about it.
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I think that's where it gets dangerous. I guess omitting
your botox whatever. And I'm actually now terrified about like
what she said about preventative bow talks. So I was like,
oh damn. I thought I was getting ahead of this,
but my face drops in the next few years. Well,
we'll call Jennifer, Call Jennifer. All right, ladies, that's it
for today, Thanks so much for listening. We're loving how
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