May 19, 2025 • 37 mins
On this episode of We Need To Need To Talk, R&B artist Dende sits with Nyla Symone opens up about his journey through love, heartbreak, and self-discovery as an artist. He reflects on growing up in Katy, Texas, navigating college life, and the tension between family expectations and creative ambition. Dende shares insights into signing with Def Jam, building a trusted creative team, and the process behind crafting his debut EP. The conversation explores the emotional weight of his music, the experience of going viral, and the vulnerability embedded in his storytelling. As the episode wraps, Dende offers his take on the current state of R&B and his vision for what's next. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to We need to talk with production of the
Black Effect Podcast network.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And you're I'm trying to get damn with you. We'll
get at your boys know what's up now and we
need to do talk.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The girl when along and you you need to talk
my girl. We need a time. Dam Are you open
to love right now?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I never closed myself off the love. That's why I
keep getting my heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I just hate that narrative we have. We have to
change the narrative to.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Start breaking hearts. No, No, we can do another project.
We can do it who different times?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Don't want you to bet I please?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I didn't tell my parents that I dropped out. When
I did, you.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Pretended like you're still going to class. No tourist. What
did I just say I was back in the day.
They were a little sneaky. Literally, just that that. You're
just proving me right with my first check.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I want somebody a bb it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But all I'm saying is, don't forget the little people.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Who's the little people? You're not little. We had to
go through security to get up here, Nyla. Why are
you glad with us? Why are you don't let her?
A lot of y'all what's good, everybody, It's me dn Day.
Make sure you go listen to IM because you are Nyla.
We need to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What's up, guys. Welcome to another episode and we need
to talk today. I have a very special guest in
the building. We have R and B singer. Then Day here,
how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm good man, I'm glad you're well rested and recovered
from last night.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I didn't say either of those things.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well you look at you, look at look.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We gotta we gotta bounce back. We gotta we got back.
I'm staying in Jersey. We we got there at like.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Four am with that nuts. So y'all had a party
at Dombala and stayed in Jersey.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, my team is off from Jersey. What times?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The party in.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Midnight? And then we went to a hookah spot?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Then that crazy oh oh, so y'all, Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
My god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So you go to the hookah spot? Then what did
you get? A chop cheese? Did you have like a No.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't eat. I don't need be for pork. What's cheese? Yeah?
I don't need to be for pork? But I got
I got We went to wah wah, and I got
like a chicken Philly thing with like buffalo sauce on it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Wrong city.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Good at four am, for sure, but it was good.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I like, well, I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. Nonetheless for sure. Yes.
So for those who aren't familiar with who dun Day is?
Who is dun Day? Where are you from? How'd you
get your start?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Dun Day is just a lover boy that keeps getting
his heart broken. Oh man, it happens. But uh, I'm
from Katie, Texas. If you don't know where Katy, Texas,
this is thirty minutes outside of Houston. They said, that's
where Drake keep his women. He said that actually, oh musically, wait.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
A minute, there's really something going on in Katie, Texas,
because this man Drake complains about bitches and his music
for the past ten years and now you over here
saying you keep getting your heart broken? What is going
on in Texas?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Hey? Man? That's where what was his name of the
country singing? He said, all his exes live in Texas.
It's probably for a reason. Some in the water, some
about them, some about them.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Y'all are they're sneaky, y'all are making the Texas women
seem so toxic. I'm not gonna lie, and I feel
like Texas women are my favorite. They're fun, they got
good energy, they could cook, they're beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I didn't say they weren't any of those your favorite.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
They just break your heart, just break my heart, break
my heart. Okay, So Katie, Texas that's where you're from, yes, ma'am.
Did you grow up in the churches that where you
started singing or yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I grew up in the church. My dad was a pastor. Uh.
While I was growing up, I was singing in the
church choir. It was really at one point it was
just me and my sister, like in the church choir.
And then it grew and then I started playing drums
for the church. Then they put me in band all
through middle school, high school, summer college.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I went to college for on a vocal performance scholarship.
Like I was never an actual choir becuse I was
like church choir. But I got a performance scholarship and
I was vocal performance major in college. But I started
making music at the same time and it was terrible.
It was really bad. It was very bad.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Wait, so you didn't start making music till college pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Much like the summer before college.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, but you were always doing lovely? Okay? And then
what school did you go to?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
For what college?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
College?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah? I went to a couple of schools before I
dropped out. The first school I went to a is
a Christian school. It's called Howard Paine University, Uh, Brownwood, Texas.
And then I went to Clark Atlanta. And then I
went to like n ctc's like a community college and
didn't Texas, and then I just dropped out. I'm not
(05:10):
doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Kids don't try this at home, Okay, but yo, what
happened with Clark? I feel like Clark Atlanta is that
is the spot.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Clark is amazing. I had a great time, but I
got robbed on campus. I'm not rocking with that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So did you get robbed at every school you go to?
That's part of college low key unless you go to
a p W. I, unless you go to W I'm normalized.
You know, we definitely should not normalize it. But you
signed up for a HBC.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know why I left though. I just didn't like
I don't like school, Like it's not for me. I
stopped going to class, like, but I did. I was like,
for some reason that Clark, I was like the only
person in my I forgot what it was a math
but I don't know what math class it was. So I
was the only one that had the book. So people
would babe me just to use my book.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The book, so we supported.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It was always hustling.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So Clark, you did three schools, dropped out and then
at this time, because I know now you're signed, you're
assigned R and B artist, Wait, how does your father
feel about you dropping out of school?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
He wasn't very happy. I didn't tell my parents that
I dropped out. When I did, I kind of just.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You pretended like you're still going to class. No, But
I mean, of course, what did I just say.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was back in the day.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
They were a little sneaky. Literally just said that you're
just proving me right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Who was a kid college?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You're a kid, but you're not a kid. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I h they they ain't really like that. But
my dad, surprisingly out of the two, he's always kind
of been in support of my music. He was just like,
you need to have a plan B. And I was like, brother,
but if I don't, I got a plan B. I
don't believe my plan A and he'll and he'll tell
that story. He'll be like, you taught me something that day,
and I was like, yeah, that was stupid, though I
(06:59):
should have had to play a p like that was.
But my mom was always kind of just like, you
need to make sure that you're able to take care
of yourself because I'm not going to be here for
the rest of your life. So like, whatever you do,
just make sure you could take care of yourself. So
I'm glad we're gotting. We've gotten to the point where
I can do that. And it wasn't the same avenue
(07:21):
that they took. My mom as a doctor and my
dad's working on his doctor like they love school. But
I couldn't even get the bachelor's. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Do they be going, how do we get this archy
ass child?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know. My sister was like that too, but
she still went to school. She has her master she
was but she was a theater.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh wow, that's a good balance. What the hell?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Everybody got the higher learning degrees And then I'm just
don't worry, man. I worked at a juice.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Show, Grammy on the Way, Grammy on the Way Grammy
on the way. I'm excited to watch your journey. This
is your first EP right with death Jam. Talk to
me about I guess signed to death Jam. How did
that process happen?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
A very long process of a bunch of boring paperwork.
But I didn't feel like reading. But I did read it,
read it, Read it. Guy read the paper read the paperwork. Well,
does that didn't read it? I just I didn't feel
like it. Do that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Let's not talk about the paperwork part. Let's talk about
let's let's talk about the discovery part. Like what what
gravitated them towards you? Like versa because you about to
stress me out?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They told me I got to give him my first
house or.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So basically we had uh already Uh I know Chris
Patrick for sure, and then they my team like six
are they already knew? TUNI has been watching me and
Chris like as we've been putting out more music and
kind of liking what we were doing. Uh. I think
it really started around when Coco was like putting out
ICU and everybody was doing those open verses and me
(08:56):
and Chris did him and they kind of went up
and turns you like hit our manager, and it was
just like, yeah, that's fire. But eventually we came out
to we want to La. They flew us out and
we did some sessions. We met with Tanji and talked
to him about what our vision was to see if
it aligned with what he thought our vision could be
as well. And it just kind of worked out after that,
(09:16):
and then we had to do all that paperwork out
him for like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
He lost me. So you and Chris got signed to
Detriment at the same time. I didn't say that, oh okay,
but did y'all fly out together? So y'all flew out
there to meet him at the same time, talked about
goals and shit. So I guess what I'm trying to
get at is what is the relationship dynamic between you
and Chris Patrick.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Chris is my brother, Chris is one of my favorite artists.
To be honest with you, outside of that, he's my
very good friend. But like he's one of my favorite artists,
Like I won't let I won't listen to his music
before he drops it because like all of us usually
like sit music and stuff, I want to listen for
the first time with the general public. I got one.
I got so mad at them, miss specifically because when
(10:03):
he was dropping X files, I did really good at
not listening to it because it still wasn't out, and
then they sat there and made me listen to it,
like they just started playing it somewhere where I was.
I had to be at and I couldn't leave, so
maybe listened to it early. I was really upset about that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh man, that's a great punishment I was.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I wasn't happy with it. Yeah, well, I mean I
was happy with because it's probably amazing, but like I
like to, I wanted to experience it with everybody else understood.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Understood. So are you guys collective?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, XR that's the that's our that's our team. So
we have we basically functioned as a label already this management,
and we have artists. It's it's me Chris Patrick, Erica officer.
And then we got a producer. We got Billy Blunt's
in this room. He's not on camera, but Billy Blunt.
(10:51):
But yeah, we we have like a core team around
us that helps us make sure that we bring our
vision to life. And then now we have depth gym
behind this is kind of pushing us to me.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I love that I love that. I'm a fan of collectives.
They're so important and just having a good team. But
talk to me just about the working with your team
and finding like good a team that aligns with what
you want to do, because I feel like everybody, especially
working with a bunch of creatives, everybody has like their ideas.
How do you guys work together to make sure everybody's
(11:22):
vision is being seen and heard?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I like to I don't know about Chris is like
specifically by himself or Erica's specifically by herself, but mine,
I like to leave it up to a democracy. So
I mean, I might have an idea or have a
way I think that something should happen, but I'll be like, yo,
this is a vote, so if I get out voted,
just out voted. Yeah. I just want to make sure
(11:45):
everybody feels heard and scene, because I mean, it is
my music, but I'm not the only person affected by
how we do things.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This is true. Talk to me about the creation of
this EP. Was this like just something you put together
fast or was this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
No, You've been working on it for a while. Yeah.
We we like to do world building stuff, so we
tried to just make as much songs as possible to
fit the narrative and then uh kind of mash them
together and the ability to after production to make like
seamless transitions. I love it. I love when Beyonce does it,
so I do it too. I love it. It's probably took
(12:21):
over a year and a half, two.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Years, year and a half and then you guys led
with need You like, yeah, no, we led with We
led with the Louver featuring Lucilla, she's a Swedish R
and B artist, and then we didn't need you, like after.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Where did you meet the Swedish R and B singer?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So her manager actually came to our We did our
like the first time I ever did south myself was
we did our own like event. They gave us a
sixur event. We had a day party and the shows
at night, and her manager came to that south By
and then the next year we had another event and
we had her come and perform at it, and that's
when I actually met her, Lucia. Shout out to Lucia,
(13:01):
She's amazing singer. Fire.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, So over the the span of the year and
a half, what does the love life look for you?
Before I get into this track.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
List, very grim, terrible, breaking my heart. I don't know,
It's just like it was just me being a relationship
with people that probably I shouldn't have been in relationships
with either by I wasn't the right person for them
or they weren't the best person for me at the time.
(13:31):
Uh officio got my heart broke. I ain't like that.
But uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We got growing pain.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta you gotta feel some pain
again where you're going, we're.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
About to hear about a whole lot of them. Man,
that that's just how it goes though, nothing nothing personal,
but you start off the project with time. How do
you know when you're in love?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh? Man? Uh, honestly, I would have described it at
one point when I'm willing to do anything for that person,
even things that I'm not willing to do for myself.
But I don't think that was like, I don't think
that was me being in love. I think that's me
being desperate.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm not saying I'm a desperate person. I'm just saying
at the times like you were so excited, Yeah, I
feel like when it's just easy, like relationships aren't always
going to be easy. But when it's just easy to
be with each other, then that's when I feel like, Okay,
I feel like I can fall in love with this person.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, are you open to love right now?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm always open to love, Okay. I never closed myself
off the love. That's why I keep getting my heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I just hate that narrative we have. We have some
change in narrative.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Do you want me to start breaking hearts? No? No,
we can do another project. We can do it a
whole different times.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I don't want you to be huture, I please, I
don't want you to turn to that easy. I got
some homegirls. You know, we're gonna talk. I'm gonna see
if you can figure out. And they like Huku too.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
They're like Google to do. I just I just like
Spoko about myself. I was just playing.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Chorusist, man lady, stay away, trying to tell you, trying
to tell you, man, Lord, have mercy. All right, let's
get into stay featuring Roy Woods? How did you Android connect?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Roy actually hit me up after the the I did
a video for up Rocks. It was a performance video
where I all beat up and I'm crying, and it
went viral and he hit me after he saw that
when he was like, yo, I want to work with you,
like this music is really cool, and then obviously it
was viral. It looked crazy, so he was like, I
want to work with you, and I sent him over
(15:44):
stay and it was just as easy as that. We
gotta he put a he put a verse on it,
and I loved it. So we ran with that one.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Let's talk about your Uprocks performance actually, and you getting
into character for these things. But you know what, you
got your sister in theater. It's all sud to make
sense now. Actually, like like this, you're just Hella like renaissance.
You're like a renaissance man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that
explains the dedication to delivering the message. Yeah oh yeah.
(16:16):
We didn't even get about the tie. Explain to them
the tie.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's just a tie. I don't I don't have a
I don't have a button up shirt on, so like
you usually wear usually wear a tie around your neck
with a button up shirt, and since I don't have one,
I just gotta. I still want to wear it because
I got a suit on. So that's right there. H
Is that crazy? I don't know, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I like I actually like it and I really want
to steal this jacket out of your closet. But you know,
conversation for another day. Oh but when you started going viral,
how did that feel for the up Rocks performance?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
At first, it was very validating, and then I started
reading comments and I was never gonna recom as a GID.
But then after that, I was like, oh, this is
is still is a fire. It's amazing, and I'm glad
that something that we did that came from an idea
in the text thread like came to life and like
had an impact because it's very hard to cut through.
(17:12):
So basically we like for the people that don't know.
I had a project called ninety five Civic, where we
do contract we do concepts. So the ninety five Civic
is based around this car, but this car is really
the relationship and it's on the cover. It's crashed and
I'm all beat up. I got makeup done and made
me look beat up. So for the up Rocks video,
I was doing one of the saddest songs on the project,
called Nightmares, and I just wanted it to be portrayed
(17:35):
visually what you're hearing, So like, if I if you're
hearing that I'm beat up and like I'm hurting. I
wanted you to see it too, so I'm crying. I
got makeup made it look like I was in a
car accident. Like we walked in there. We didn't tell
up rocks. We were doing that, like we showed up
and they thought I got in a car accident. They
didn't say anything about it until after we performed and
they saw. They were like, oh, we were scared to
like say something. We didn't know that there was like
(17:58):
that was makeup. You were just hurt and you just
still came.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's dedication. They was like, this man is bi different.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, it was. It was cool though. It was the coo.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They said, oh now we get it, Okay. What was
your favorite comment from the comment section?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh man, somebody somebody said that the other nigga caught
me in the house beat my ass.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's pretty clever. Yeah, that's pretty clever.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Actually crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm with you, though, I don't be looking at the
comment section no more either. I don't have it in me.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah that breaks my heart too. I just I just
know you don't like when I say my heart is broken.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, Like why that's not fun. I'm a cancer moon.
I'm Hella, intuitive and emotional.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, I don't care about the comments thru. I don't
care about the comings through. I respond nice things to
all the bad because they told me to stop responding.
I was saying nice things to them.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, why would you do that?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because they're just trolling. Can't with me, I'll be trolling.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh that's why. So I am because you are why
that title.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To be honest with you, Uh, the project is about
me being a physical artist, like a painter, and with
paintings you usually have amused. Also with my music, I
have a muse for the songs like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh my god, the muse know the muse.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And if they listen to the project, maybe, but but
but but Uh. Basically, it's like I am the person
I am because you are like I am who I
am in these songs, because you are.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I like that. I like that. So you haven't gotten
no phone calls? Like excuse me? This is about who?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
No, No, I stopped getting for I don't. I don't
answer calls to be honest with you, when people call me.
That shouldn't be calling my phone anymore?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh heard? Okay? Emoji's removed, right, is it name change?
Don't answer yet? Or do boys do that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Uh no, boys don't do that. Sorry not that's nuts? Sorry,
all right, all right, sorry, I just.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I had to change my phone broke already. Yeah. I
mean I had two phones though, so like the other phone,
I had to keep changing it because that's the one
that people had first.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Of all, didn't they? Who are you talking to these days? Hey,
you gotta change your phone. Girl's breaking your heart. I'm like,
I just don't understand what I need to come in
here and clean stuff up for you. Okay, I want
to get into the cover art is a guy and
a girl sitting on a bed, then it's a guy
painting the picture, and then it's you in front of
(20:46):
the picture. All right, describes to me what I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So basically, we got a young black female artist from
Houston to paint that actual picture, like that's hung up
on my wall. I've been a fan of her art
for years, like I have her art in my house,
like I bought stuff over the years. We got her
to paint that. I gave her the project and just
told her to listen to it over and over again,
told her what the concept was. And then that's what
she painted. But basically it's different stages. Those are all me.
(21:12):
All the men on that on the painting are me. Oh,
but it's different stages of what has been going on
in relationships.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh, that's actually kind of fly. So the painting on
the wall to the left is like.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's an old old one, not old that picture.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh you mean like these are really based off real photos.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Some of them. But oh they're just supposed to be me.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wow, okay okay. And then the one on the bed
is you looking back and reflecting at younger youth? Yeah,
pretty much with your new girl.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I ain't say that, I'm asked.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I'm asking, just like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
No no no no no no, just reflecting. You know,
we sometimes we have to reflect on the past.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Okay, no, yeah, for sure. I think it makes for
great music. But okay, on this show we play game
called Questions that need answers. All you have to do
is fill in the blank.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The older I get, the less I care. You would
never believe me if I told.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You I don't. I don't think we should be drinking milk.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He's really from the South. My grandpa is saying it
like that. My grandpapy be hit me with all the
Negro spirituals.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, so when you say we should have been drinking milk,
is it all people or just black people in particular?
I've heard conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Oh, just anybody to be honest with. Why are we
drinking other things milk? It's a little bit weird, don't
you think. Let's think about it so.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like, well, I mean, it's like I don't want to
say something and then sound stupid, but it's like, all right,
you come from like breast milk from your mother, but
then you still technically you do. But does that mean
you just should be done with it?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Maybe not, but from another animal kind of feels weird.
No other animal does that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I adopted a puppy prematurely and I had to feed
it goat milk, but I had to give it some
type of milk.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I feel that. But it's a puppy.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
This is true, Okay, certain age thing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Why are we done this? Rabbit hole? Like what?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I care really deeply about this, so we can't deep.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I cannot stand this guy. Actually, all right, Sometimes I
look back at my life and.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Thank God, I don't know. I feel like we got
to go through things to get where we're going one
hundred percent. So I think that I'm still here and
that I was able to experience the things that I've
experienced up to this point.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What is like one of the hardest challenges you've had
in your journey thus.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Far, oh Man, I would say most recently, I was
living in LA and I had to make the decision
between actually signing at least there and moving back to Texas.
And I decided to move back to Texas because my
grandmother had we found out she had brain brain cancer,
(24:35):
and I was like, I need to be present for
that because I wasn't really present when my grandfather passed
and she just passed. So I mean, I'm glad that
I made the decision to stay. I am about to cry.
Hold on, sorry, I'm glad I made the decision to
uh to stay and to stay in Texas, But that
(24:55):
was really her, So you don't cry.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It's so crazy shut out to rhapsody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But yeah, I'm glad I made that decision to stay.
But it was it's hard to go through and hard
to watch because I was there when it happened, and
like I carried her out of the house like she
was staying at my mom's house.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I came, oh my god, that's heavy. That is heavy.
It wasn't expecting you to say that, honestly, but I
do think you made the right decision for sure. It's
hard because it's like all right in the midst especially
you know, this is your first release with death Jam.
Your career is really starting to take off, and then like,
(25:34):
oh I got family hectic, so little to you though,
I respect that talk to me, jay Z is.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The goat.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That was a good one. That was a good one.
You'd be surprised when people saying this, chair Man, when
you break.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Up jay Z.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
We've had some ship said from time to time it's
good to do.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Meditate mm hmm orsh rooms.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Twins both No, no, no, no, Actually I would be down
to try meditation. You do it often?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Uh yeah, I'm not like a like very often now,
like every week, but I do it. I do yoga too, nice,
just stuff to be centered.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Hey man, I love to see our black men doing
yoga and just things good for their mental.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Mental is crazy. So I got it quite it down.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Sometimes I can I can grab that you had me
talking about milk and Negro spirituals, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Talk about because you brought up a damn Negro spiritual.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
My grandpa told me this. Okay, ten years from now,
I want my legacy to.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Be mmm undeniable.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mmm. I like that. Blank is one movie I can
watch with the sound off.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Up. You don't need to sound for up. It's a
great movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
The Disney One.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, when his house he puts his house balloons, like
the beginning, you definitely don't need sound. The beginning when
he's watches and watches get his first house with his wife,
and then she she grows old. There's music, there's no talking.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So that's why you picked it. I feel like that's
the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You can watch it though, you can watch it quietly.
You should try it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh, you should watch it. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm gonna cry the.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
First like five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's really sad, thankful enough sad ship going on right now.
I thank you. Oh it's a beautiful cry. Someonech woman
to watch a notebook.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I've never seen nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I just seen it recently two years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Actually, how was it made you cry?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It didn't make me cry. It made me want to cry, though, Like, damn,
I feel like, actually that movie would inspire you a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know what it's about though, damn, but that
all it takes.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, it's about love.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
By the end of twenty twenty five, I hope to.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Get another national tour, let's get it.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The craziest thing that has happened to me on tour
had to be the time when, oh my god, not
the last there. I need you to come tell the story.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I don't know what that's about. It, oh man, being
in a relationship. We all on tour. It was terrible.
That's rough, being in a relationship with the person that
was in a relationship with I saw I leave it
at that was That was the craziest.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But why was it terrible? You couldn't do nothing? Man?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
All right? So I went to Times Square and I
took a video. Mis had one of his friends there
and happened to be a woman, and I just I'm
just showing up. I'm just doing a video. No, he
was doing a video. There was a woman that existed
around him. It became a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You didn't get minches approved. Mich was not on the
guest list. When you said you was going to take
in my house, in my room, just saying you told
me it was gonna be one, two and three, who
the fuck.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Is for it was a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, yeah, that was how that relationship is going. You
definitely needed to run problem. The hardest lesson I've learned
about Fame so far.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Is don't read the gumments.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, it's a great idea. My favorite album of all
time is.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh man, you give it? Uh my favorite? My favorite damn.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Choose Wise.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Channel Orange.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, I'm not gonna lie. I think you know. I'm
not even about to say this. I don't want to
get canceled for nothing. Niggas got a crazy fan basis.
But I feel like Frank Ocean's overrated, not enough catalog
how much more. I like Frank Ocean before the cook
the pandemonium that he'd be causing.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I thought you had we thought you had tastes when
we walked in here. All right, I.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got good taste. Okay, I got real R and B.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't think Frank is good.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, No, I think he's good. I think he got hits.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But I just love the way he writes it. Sounds
like he's just tripping and then he just wrote what
he now He's just like yes, So some of those
songs that are like where he is an amazing writer,
one of the two.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I have songs with his that I love. I don't know.
Maybe I gotta re I gotta redive back in because
people be saying it to me and I'm like, oh,
it doesn't it's not okay anyway. With my first check, I.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Bought somebody a b B it but oh no, no,
I gotta I bought a Nintendo Switch. Actually, okay, this
is great. I love like I love my switch. This
is the best investment. I take it on the plane.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Good for you. I like that you're a gamer. You
play Fortnite.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I did, but I don't play it anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
They changed the world.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's a lot going on now. They got Goku and
Superman in there. I'm not trying to do I just
wanted to actually see.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I was there when they had Travis, but that was
when I stopped. Like that was the end of the
ara going on.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I like I like adventure games, like I like those Zelda.
The newer Zelda games are amazing. I like I like
zombie games like uh Dying LIGHTE and Last of Us,
like like those stopping games like open open world type
of games.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, that's the trait I can get into, see, ladies,
we like that. We like that. I don't see what
the problem is with the problem this day. What No,
I've been an Instagram friend of you for a while,
so I'm super excited that I got to have you
on the pod Man.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So you said you want to be on the tour
by the end of the year, but the tour is
not confirmed.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I was gonna say I didn't say that again, but no, no, Yeah,
it's not confirmed yet. So but we're working on it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
We'king on say what you want to say. Nobody stopping you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
There's people stopping me. I have to keep thinking every
time I answer ane of these questions, is gonna yell
at me? Later he's gonna yell at me. He yells
at me. Let's start to hear he yells at me.
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Last question I had from this game is, outside of singing,
my favorite hobby is.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, refurbishing old like uh dressers and like furniture and
stuff building stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Ladies, Yes, that is so fly. Do you have an
Instagram page of it? I follow pages that do that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, not one that's really popping, but I have
a I think it's I'm not DNDE on Instagram. Fire
my little burner account.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's super dope. Wait till like, where did you learn
how to do that?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Uh? YouTube where I learned how to do everything in
the world?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hilarious YouTube.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
YouTube teaches you a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Do you just be sading ship down and repainting? Like?
What is it that it's given?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Are you actually like restanding, fixing drawers? Uh? Refinishing, like
like painting and putting the top coat. I just built
each chairs the other day, Like the building is so cool,
so crazy? No, I like.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Handyman stuff. Do you do cars?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I'm working on a car right now. Actually I bought
a I bought a nineteen eighty eight Toyota Super Turbo,
and I'm like, I'm I'm fixing it up. Uh. And
now I'm on the stage where I'm about to paint it.
So I'm saying all the old paint off it, which
takes a ridiculous amount of time, and then I'm gonna
paint that one. Yeah, I'm working on that car.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
How fun. So then day, how do you feel about
the state of R and B right now?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I think we're in an amazing place. We got a
lot of great R and B artists. I feel like
everybody got a battery in their back like I did
when everybody was saying R and B was dead? They
were like, what are you talking about? And started putting
out even better.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Music, And yeah, I thought that was silly.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It was crazy. It was just like, you're not looking
for it because it's there.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I will say, this is just me. I know you've
already established you. I think I have bad taste, but
I am tired of sleepy R and B.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What is sleepy R and B?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Name somebody you know sleepy R and B?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know. I need an example. Yeah, just leep
it up. I'm not editing this, like.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
But that record is sleepy as fuck.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, I get what you mean now.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I guess not there's that no point isn't give me
a little bit of bounce or like I feel.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But I feel like sometimes we do need songs like that.
But if it's all like that, then I would see
why that would be.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like at the submissions that I get bi weekly, they're
all sleepy R and B. Like it's all sleepy R
and B.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But we're shaking it up hopefully, I know, thank.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
God, that's why. And I really think it's because you're
from Texas, like.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Different flavor and my producer from Texas too.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well part same part, Oh, Austin, Okay cool. How did
you feel when you saw them cut off baby Face
at the Grammys this year?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Disrespectful? Who are they trying to go chaperone? Yeah? I
feel it because they either way. I feel like the
interview was in a bad place because either one of them,
she would have got in trouble for not doing that,
Like if that makes sense for not going to get
you'd have got in trouble for not going to get
that one, and you're getting backlash four going to get
that one and leaping this one. I feel like the
way they did that was disrespectful her.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know, And it's so funny you would think that
the interview that she went and got would have actually
did something.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We saw the disrespect though.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's all we saw. That is so unfortunate actually, but
it was super disheartening. But I will say if they
didn't play the great like if the winners weren't who
the winners were, I probably would have raised more hell
about that babyface thing. But because I feel like you
know what money long got hers Kendrick Doci Rhapsody, then
(36:33):
I can't even really be mad outside of that beautiful Yeah.
So now when you go up there to collect yours,
I would say, what like two three years from now? Hell,
maybe next year. I don't know what you got playing
throughout this year, but all I'm saying is, don't forget
the little people.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who's the little people? You're not little? We had to
go through security to get up here. Why are you
glad with us? Why are you don't let her? A
lot of y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Say you're saying this now, I'm just putting it out
there man, like I'm looking forward to it because it's
definitely in the cards. But shout out your grand Let
everybody know where they can follow you if they don't already.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Uh. If you want to follow me on Instagram, it's
I am dn DAE I A M d E N
d E. Twitter is dun day is me. Uh All
my music is on both of those places.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Until next time, guys, talk to peace. Peace, so you
have I am dun Day and I am not dun Day.
They wouldn't let me post my brilliant man. We Need
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
And you're I'm trying to get damn with you. We'll
get at your boys know what's up now and we
need to do talk.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
The girl when along and you you need to talk
my girl. We need a time. Dam Are you open
to love right now?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I never closed myself off the love. That's why I
keep getting my heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I just hate that narrative we have. We have to
change the narrative to.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Start breaking hearts. No, No, we can do another project.
We can do it who different times?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Don't want you to bet I please?
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I didn't tell my parents that I dropped out. When
I did, you.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Pretended like you're still going to class. No tourist. What
did I just say I was back in the day.
They were a little sneaky. Literally, just that that. You're
just proving me right with my first check.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I want somebody a bb it.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
But all I'm saying is, don't forget the little people.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Who's the little people? You're not little. We had to
go through security to get up here, Nyla. Why are
you glad with us? Why are you don't let her?
A lot of y'all what's good, everybody, It's me dn Day.
Make sure you go listen to IM because you are Nyla.
We need to talk.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What's up, guys. Welcome to another episode and we need
to talk today. I have a very special guest in
the building. We have R and B singer. Then Day here,
how are you.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
I'm good man, I'm glad you're well rested and recovered
from last night.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
I didn't say either of those things.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Well you look at you, look at look.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
We gotta we gotta bounce back. We gotta we got back.
I'm staying in Jersey. We we got there at like.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Four am with that nuts. So y'all had a party
at Dombala and stayed in Jersey.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, my team is off from Jersey. What times?
Speaker 1 (02:07):
The party in.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Midnight? And then we went to a hookah spot?
Speaker 1 (02:11):
Then that crazy oh oh, so y'all, Oh.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
My god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
So you go to the hookah spot? Then what did
you get? A chop cheese? Did you have like a No.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
I don't eat. I don't need be for pork. What's cheese? Yeah?
I don't need to be for pork? But I got
I got We went to wah wah, and I got
like a chicken Philly thing with like buffalo sauce on it.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Wrong city.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Good at four am, for sure, but it was good.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
I like, well, I'm glad you enjoyed yourself. Nonetheless for sure. Yes.
So for those who aren't familiar with who dun Day is?
Who is dun Day? Where are you from? How'd you
get your start?
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Dun Day is just a lover boy that keeps getting
his heart broken. Oh man, it happens. But uh, I'm
from Katie, Texas. If you don't know where Katy, Texas,
this is thirty minutes outside of Houston. They said, that's
where Drake keep his women. He said that actually, oh musically, wait.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
A minute, there's really something going on in Katie, Texas,
because this man Drake complains about bitches and his music
for the past ten years and now you over here
saying you keep getting your heart broken? What is going
on in Texas?
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Hey? Man? That's where what was his name of the
country singing? He said, all his exes live in Texas.
It's probably for a reason. Some in the water, some
about them, some about them.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Y'all are they're sneaky, y'all are making the Texas women
seem so toxic. I'm not gonna lie, and I feel
like Texas women are my favorite. They're fun, they got
good energy, they could cook, they're beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
I didn't say they weren't any of those your favorite.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
They just break your heart, just break my heart, break
my heart. Okay, So Katie, Texas that's where you're from, yes, ma'am.
Did you grow up in the churches that where you
started singing or yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:00):
I grew up in the church. My dad was a pastor. Uh.
While I was growing up, I was singing in the
church choir. It was really at one point it was
just me and my sister, like in the church choir.
And then it grew and then I started playing drums
for the church. Then they put me in band all
through middle school, high school, summer college.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
And I went to college for on a vocal performance scholarship.
Like I was never an actual choir becuse I was
like church choir. But I got a performance scholarship and
I was vocal performance major in college. But I started
making music at the same time and it was terrible.
It was really bad. It was very bad.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Wait, so you didn't start making music till college pretty.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Much like the summer before college.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, but you were always doing lovely? Okay? And then
what school did you go to?
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
For what college?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
College?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Yeah? I went to a couple of schools before I
dropped out. The first school I went to a is
a Christian school. It's called Howard Paine University, Uh, Brownwood, Texas.
And then I went to Clark Atlanta. And then I
went to like n ctc's like a community college and
didn't Texas, and then I just dropped out. I'm not
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doing this.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Kids don't try this at home, Okay, but yo, what
happened with Clark? I feel like Clark Atlanta is that
is the spot.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Clark is amazing. I had a great time, but I
got robbed on campus. I'm not rocking with that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
So did you get robbed at every school you go to?
That's part of college low key unless you go to
a p W. I, unless you go to W I'm normalized.
You know, we definitely should not normalize it. But you
signed up for a HBC.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know why I left though. I just didn't like
I don't like school, Like it's not for me. I
stopped going to class, like, but I did. I was like,
for some reason that Clark, I was like the only
person in my I forgot what it was a math
but I don't know what math class it was. So I
was the only one that had the book. So people
would babe me just to use my book.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
The book, so we supported.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
It was always hustling.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So Clark, you did three schools, dropped out and then
at this time, because I know now you're signed, you're
assigned R and B artist, Wait, how does your father
feel about you dropping out of school?
Speaker 2 (06:12):
He wasn't very happy. I didn't tell my parents that
I dropped out. When I did, I kind of just.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
You pretended like you're still going to class. No, But
I mean, of course, what did I just say.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I was back in the day.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
They were a little sneaky. Literally just said that you're
just proving me right.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Who was a kid college?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
You're a kid, but you're not a kid. But go ahead.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Yeah, I h they they ain't really like that. But
my dad, surprisingly out of the two, he's always kind
of been in support of my music. He was just like,
you need to have a plan B. And I was like, brother,
but if I don't, I got a plan B. I
don't believe my plan A and he'll and he'll tell
that story. He'll be like, you taught me something that day,
and I was like, yeah, that was stupid, though I
(06:59):
should have had to play a p like that was.
But my mom was always kind of just like, you
need to make sure that you're able to take care
of yourself because I'm not going to be here for
the rest of your life. So like, whatever you do,
just make sure you could take care of yourself. So
I'm glad we're gotting. We've gotten to the point where
I can do that. And it wasn't the same avenue
(07:21):
that they took. My mom as a doctor and my
dad's working on his doctor like they love school. But
I couldn't even get the bachelor's. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Do they be going, how do we get this archy
ass child?
Speaker 2 (07:32):
I don't know. My sister was like that too, but
she still went to school. She has her master she
was but she was a theater.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Oh wow, that's a good balance. What the hell?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Everybody got the higher learning degrees And then I'm just
don't worry, man. I worked at a juice.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Show, Grammy on the Way, Grammy on the Way Grammy
on the way. I'm excited to watch your journey. This
is your first EP right with death Jam. Talk to
me about I guess signed to death Jam. How did
that process happen?
Speaker 2 (08:03):
A very long process of a bunch of boring paperwork.
But I didn't feel like reading. But I did read it,
read it, Read it. Guy read the paper read the paperwork. Well,
does that didn't read it? I just I didn't feel
like it. Do that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Let's not talk about the paperwork part. Let's talk about
let's let's talk about the discovery part. Like what what
gravitated them towards you? Like versa because you about to
stress me out?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
They told me I got to give him my first
house or.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
No.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
So basically we had uh already Uh I know Chris
Patrick for sure, and then they my team like six
are they already knew? TUNI has been watching me and
Chris like as we've been putting out more music and
kind of liking what we were doing. Uh. I think
it really started around when Coco was like putting out
ICU and everybody was doing those open verses and me
(08:56):
and Chris did him and they kind of went up
and turns you like hit our manager, and it was
just like, yeah, that's fire. But eventually we came out
to we want to La. They flew us out and
we did some sessions. We met with Tanji and talked
to him about what our vision was to see if
it aligned with what he thought our vision could be
as well. And it just kind of worked out after that,
(09:16):
and then we had to do all that paperwork out
him for like.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
He lost me. So you and Chris got signed to
Detriment at the same time. I didn't say that, oh okay,
but did y'all fly out together? So y'all flew out
there to meet him at the same time, talked about
goals and shit. So I guess what I'm trying to
get at is what is the relationship dynamic between you
and Chris Patrick.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Chris is my brother, Chris is one of my favorite artists.
To be honest with you, outside of that, he's my
very good friend. But like he's one of my favorite artists,
Like I won't let I won't listen to his music
before he drops it because like all of us usually
like sit music and stuff, I want to listen for
the first time with the general public. I got one.
I got so mad at them, miss specifically because when
(10:03):
he was dropping X files, I did really good at
not listening to it because it still wasn't out, and
then they sat there and made me listen to it,
like they just started playing it somewhere where I was.
I had to be at and I couldn't leave, so
maybe listened to it early. I was really upset about that.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Oh man, that's a great punishment I was.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I wasn't happy with it. Yeah, well, I mean I
was happy with because it's probably amazing, but like I
like to, I wanted to experience it with everybody else understood.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Understood. So are you guys collective?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, XR that's the that's our that's our team. So
we have we basically functioned as a label already this management,
and we have artists. It's it's me Chris Patrick, Erica officer.
And then we got a producer. We got Billy Blunt's
in this room. He's not on camera, but Billy Blunt.
(10:51):
But yeah, we we have like a core team around
us that helps us make sure that we bring our
vision to life. And then now we have depth gym
behind this is kind of pushing us to me.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
I love that I love that. I'm a fan of collectives.
They're so important and just having a good team. But
talk to me just about the working with your team
and finding like good a team that aligns with what
you want to do, because I feel like everybody, especially
working with a bunch of creatives, everybody has like their ideas.
How do you guys work together to make sure everybody's
(11:22):
vision is being seen and heard?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
I like to I don't know about Chris is like
specifically by himself or Erica's specifically by herself, but mine,
I like to leave it up to a democracy. So
I mean, I might have an idea or have a
way I think that something should happen, but I'll be like, yo,
this is a vote, so if I get out voted,
just out voted. Yeah. I just want to make sure
(11:45):
everybody feels heard and scene, because I mean, it is
my music, but I'm not the only person affected by
how we do things.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
This is true. Talk to me about the creation of
this EP. Was this like just something you put together
fast or was this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
No, You've been working on it for a while. Yeah.
We we like to do world building stuff, so we
tried to just make as much songs as possible to
fit the narrative and then uh kind of mash them
together and the ability to after production to make like
seamless transitions. I love it. I love when Beyonce does it,
so I do it too. I love it. It's probably took
(12:21):
over a year and a half, two.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Years, year and a half and then you guys led
with need You like, yeah, no, we led with We
led with the Louver featuring Lucilla, she's a Swedish R
and B artist, and then we didn't need you, like after.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Where did you meet the Swedish R and B singer?
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So her manager actually came to our We did our
like the first time I ever did south myself was
we did our own like event. They gave us a
sixur event. We had a day party and the shows
at night, and her manager came to that south By
and then the next year we had another event and
we had her come and perform at it, and that's
when I actually met her, Lucia. Shout out to Lucia,
(13:01):
She's amazing singer. Fire.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Okay, So over the the span of the year and
a half, what does the love life look for you?
Before I get into this track.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
List, very grim, terrible, breaking my heart. I don't know,
It's just like it was just me being a relationship
with people that probably I shouldn't have been in relationships
with either by I wasn't the right person for them
or they weren't the best person for me at the time.
(13:31):
Uh officio got my heart broke. I ain't like that.
But uh, you know.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
We got growing pain.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Yeah, you gotta you gotta you gotta feel some pain
again where you're going, we're.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
About to hear about a whole lot of them. Man,
that that's just how it goes though, nothing nothing personal,
but you start off the project with time. How do
you know when you're in love?
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Oh? Man? Uh, honestly, I would have described it at
one point when I'm willing to do anything for that person,
even things that I'm not willing to do for myself.
But I don't think that was like, I don't think
that was me being in love. I think that's me
being desperate.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
I'm not saying I'm a desperate person. I'm just saying
at the times like you were so excited, Yeah, I
feel like when it's just easy, like relationships aren't always
going to be easy. But when it's just easy to
be with each other, then that's when I feel like, Okay,
I feel like I can fall in love with this person.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, are you open to love right now?
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm always open to love, Okay. I never closed myself
off the love. That's why I keep getting my heartbroken.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
I just hate that narrative we have. We have some
change in narrative.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Do you want me to start breaking hearts? No? No,
we can do another project. We can do it a
whole different times.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
I don't want you to be huture, I please, I
don't want you to turn to that easy. I got
some homegirls. You know, we're gonna talk. I'm gonna see
if you can figure out. And they like Huku too.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
They're like Google to do. I just I just like
Spoko about myself. I was just playing.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Chorusist, man lady, stay away, trying to tell you, trying
to tell you, man, Lord, have mercy. All right, let's
get into stay featuring Roy Woods? How did you Android connect?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Roy actually hit me up after the the I did
a video for up Rocks. It was a performance video
where I all beat up and I'm crying, and it
went viral and he hit me after he saw that
when he was like, yo, I want to work with you,
like this music is really cool, and then obviously it
was viral. It looked crazy, so he was like, I
want to work with you, and I sent him over
(15:44):
stay and it was just as easy as that. We
gotta he put a he put a verse on it,
and I loved it. So we ran with that one.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
Let's talk about your Uprocks performance actually, and you getting
into character for these things. But you know what, you
got your sister in theater. It's all sud to make
sense now. Actually, like like this, you're just Hella like renaissance.
You're like a renaissance man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that
explains the dedication to delivering the message. Yeah oh yeah.
(16:16):
We didn't even get about the tie. Explain to them
the tie.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
It's just a tie. I don't I don't have a
I don't have a button up shirt on, so like
you usually wear usually wear a tie around your neck
with a button up shirt, and since I don't have one,
I just gotta. I still want to wear it because
I got a suit on. So that's right there. H
Is that crazy? I don't know, it's not crazy.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
I like I actually like it and I really want
to steal this jacket out of your closet. But you know,
conversation for another day. Oh but when you started going viral,
how did that feel for the up Rocks performance?
Speaker 2 (16:51):
At first, it was very validating, and then I started
reading comments and I was never gonna recom as a GID.
But then after that, I was like, oh, this is
is still is a fire. It's amazing, and I'm glad
that something that we did that came from an idea
in the text thread like came to life and like
had an impact because it's very hard to cut through.
(17:12):
So basically we like for the people that don't know.
I had a project called ninety five Civic, where we
do contract we do concepts. So the ninety five Civic
is based around this car, but this car is really
the relationship and it's on the cover. It's crashed and
I'm all beat up. I got makeup done and made
me look beat up. So for the up Rocks video,
I was doing one of the saddest songs on the project,
called Nightmares, and I just wanted it to be portrayed
(17:35):
visually what you're hearing, So like, if I if you're
hearing that I'm beat up and like I'm hurting. I
wanted you to see it too, so I'm crying. I
got makeup made it look like I was in a
car accident. Like we walked in there. We didn't tell
up rocks. We were doing that, like we showed up
and they thought I got in a car accident. They
didn't say anything about it until after we performed and
they saw. They were like, oh, we were scared to
like say something. We didn't know that there was like
(17:58):
that was makeup. You were just hurt and you just
still came.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
That's dedication. They was like, this man is bi different.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah, it was. It was cool though. It was the coo.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
They said, oh now we get it, Okay. What was
your favorite comment from the comment section?
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Oh man, somebody somebody said that the other nigga caught
me in the house beat my ass.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
That's pretty clever. Yeah, that's pretty clever.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Actually crazy.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
I'm with you, though, I don't be looking at the
comment section no more either. I don't have it in me.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Yeah that breaks my heart too. I just I just
know you don't like when I say my heart is broken.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah, Like why that's not fun. I'm a cancer moon.
I'm Hella, intuitive and emotional.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
No, I don't care about the comments thru. I don't
care about the comings through. I respond nice things to
all the bad because they told me to stop responding.
I was saying nice things to them.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, why would you do that?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Because they're just trolling. Can't with me, I'll be trolling.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Oh that's why. So I am because you are why
that title.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
To be honest with you, Uh, the project is about
me being a physical artist, like a painter, and with
paintings you usually have amused. Also with my music, I
have a muse for the songs like.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Oh my god, the muse know the muse.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
And if they listen to the project, maybe, but but
but but Uh. Basically, it's like I am the person
I am because you are like I am who I
am in these songs, because you are.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
I like that. I like that. So you haven't gotten
no phone calls? Like excuse me? This is about who?
Speaker 2 (19:49):
No, No, I stopped getting for I don't. I don't
answer calls to be honest with you, when people call me.
That shouldn't be calling my phone anymore?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh heard? Okay? Emoji's removed, right, is it name change?
Don't answer yet? Or do boys do that?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Uh no, boys don't do that. Sorry not that's nuts? Sorry,
all right, all right, sorry, I just.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
I had to change my phone broke already. Yeah. I
mean I had two phones though, so like the other phone,
I had to keep changing it because that's the one
that people had first.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Of all, didn't they? Who are you talking to these days? Hey,
you gotta change your phone. Girl's breaking your heart. I'm like,
I just don't understand what I need to come in
here and clean stuff up for you. Okay, I want
to get into the cover art is a guy and
a girl sitting on a bed, then it's a guy
painting the picture, and then it's you in front of
(20:46):
the picture. All right, describes to me what I'm looking at.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
So basically, we got a young black female artist from
Houston to paint that actual picture, like that's hung up
on my wall. I've been a fan of her art
for years, like I have her art in my house,
like I bought stuff over the years. We got her
to paint that. I gave her the project and just
told her to listen to it over and over again,
told her what the concept was. And then that's what
she painted. But basically it's different stages. Those are all me.
(21:12):
All the men on that on the painting are me. Oh,
but it's different stages of what has been going on
in relationships.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Oh, that's actually kind of fly. So the painting on
the wall to the left is like.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
That's an old old one, not old that picture.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Oh you mean like these are really based off real photos.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Some of them. But oh they're just supposed to be me.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wow, okay okay. And then the one on the bed
is you looking back and reflecting at younger youth? Yeah,
pretty much with your new girl.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
I ain't say that, I'm asked.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
I'm asking, just like no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
No no no no no no, just reflecting. You know,
we sometimes we have to reflect on the past.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Okay, no, yeah, for sure. I think it makes for
great music. But okay, on this show we play game
called Questions that need answers. All you have to do
is fill in the blank.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
The older I get, the less I care. You would
never believe me if I told.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
You I don't. I don't think we should be drinking milk.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
He's really from the South. My grandpa is saying it
like that. My grandpapy be hit me with all the
Negro spirituals.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Okay, so when you say we should have been drinking milk,
is it all people or just black people in particular?
I've heard conspiracies.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Oh, just anybody to be honest with. Why are we
drinking other things milk? It's a little bit weird, don't
you think. Let's think about it so.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Like, well, I mean, it's like I don't want to
say something and then sound stupid, but it's like, all right,
you come from like breast milk from your mother, but
then you still technically you do. But does that mean
you just should be done with it?
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Maybe not, but from another animal kind of feels weird.
No other animal does that.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
I adopted a puppy prematurely and I had to feed
it goat milk, but I had to give it some
type of milk.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
I feel that. But it's a puppy.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
This is true, Okay, certain age thing.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Why are we done this? Rabbit hole? Like what?
Speaker 2 (23:42):
I care really deeply about this, so we can't deep.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I cannot stand this guy. Actually, all right, Sometimes I
look back at my life and.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Thank God, I don't know. I feel like we got
to go through things to get where we're going one
hundred percent. So I think that I'm still here and
that I was able to experience the things that I've
experienced up to this point.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
What is like one of the hardest challenges you've had
in your journey thus.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Far, oh Man, I would say most recently, I was
living in LA and I had to make the decision
between actually signing at least there and moving back to Texas.
And I decided to move back to Texas because my
grandmother had we found out she had brain brain cancer,
(24:35):
and I was like, I need to be present for
that because I wasn't really present when my grandfather passed
and she just passed. So I mean, I'm glad that
I made the decision to stay. I am about to cry.
Hold on, sorry, I'm glad I made the decision to
uh to stay and to stay in Texas, But that
(24:55):
was really her, So you don't cry.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
It's so crazy shut out to rhapsody.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
But yeah, I'm glad I made that decision to stay.
But it was it's hard to go through and hard
to watch because I was there when it happened, and
like I carried her out of the house like she
was staying at my mom's house.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I came, oh my god, that's heavy. That is heavy.
It wasn't expecting you to say that, honestly, but I
do think you made the right decision for sure. It's
hard because it's like all right in the midst especially
you know, this is your first release with death Jam.
Your career is really starting to take off, and then like,
(25:34):
oh I got family hectic, so little to you though,
I respect that talk to me, jay Z is.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
The goat.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
That was a good one. That was a good one.
You'd be surprised when people saying this, chair Man, when
you break.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Up jay Z.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
We've had some ship said from time to time it's
good to do.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Meditate mm hmm orsh rooms.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Twins both No, no, no, no, Actually I would be down
to try meditation. You do it often?
Speaker 2 (26:13):
Uh yeah, I'm not like a like very often now,
like every week, but I do it. I do yoga too, nice,
just stuff to be centered.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Hey man, I love to see our black men doing
yoga and just things good for their mental.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
Mental is crazy. So I got it quite it down.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Sometimes I can I can grab that you had me
talking about milk and Negro spirituals, and I'm like.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
Talk about because you brought up a damn Negro spiritual.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
My grandpa told me this. Okay, ten years from now,
I want my legacy to.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Be mmm undeniable.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Mmm. I like that. Blank is one movie I can
watch with the sound off.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Up. You don't need to sound for up. It's a
great movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
The Disney One.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Yeah, when his house he puts his house balloons, like
the beginning, you definitely don't need sound. The beginning when
he's watches and watches get his first house with his wife,
and then she she grows old. There's music, there's no talking.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So that's why you picked it. I feel like that's
the whole movie.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
You can watch it though, you can watch it quietly.
You should try it.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
I've never seen it.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
Oh, you should watch it. It's really good.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
I'm gonna cry the.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
First like five minutes.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
It's really sad, thankful enough sad ship going on right now.
I thank you. Oh it's a beautiful cry. Someonech woman
to watch a notebook.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
I've never seen nothing.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I just seen it recently two years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Actually, how was it made you cry?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
It didn't make me cry. It made me want to cry, though, Like, damn,
I feel like, actually that movie would inspire you a lot.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I don't know what it's about though, damn, but that
all it takes.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, it's about love.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
By the end of twenty twenty five, I hope to.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Get another national tour, let's get it.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
The craziest thing that has happened to me on tour
had to be the time when, oh my god, not
the last there. I need you to come tell the story.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
I don't know what that's about. It, oh man, being
in a relationship. We all on tour. It was terrible.
That's rough, being in a relationship with the person that
was in a relationship with I saw I leave it
at that was That was the craziest.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But why was it terrible? You couldn't do nothing? Man?
Speaker 2 (28:47):
All right? So I went to Times Square and I
took a video. Mis had one of his friends there
and happened to be a woman, and I just I'm
just showing up. I'm just doing a video. No, he
was doing a video. There was a woman that existed
around him. It became a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
You didn't get minches approved. Mich was not on the
guest list. When you said you was going to take
in my house, in my room, just saying you told
me it was gonna be one, two and three, who
the fuck.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Is for it was a problem.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Well, yeah, that was how that relationship is going. You
definitely needed to run problem. The hardest lesson I've learned
about Fame so far.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Is don't read the gumments.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, it's a great idea. My favorite album of all
time is.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Oh man, you give it? Uh my favorite? My favorite damn.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Choose Wise.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Channel Orange.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
Okay, I'm not gonna lie. I think you know. I'm
not even about to say this. I don't want to
get canceled for nothing. Niggas got a crazy fan basis.
But I feel like Frank Ocean's overrated, not enough catalog
how much more. I like Frank Ocean before the cook
the pandemonium that he'd be causing.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
I thought you had we thought you had tastes when
we walked in here. All right, I.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Got good taste. Okay, I got real R and B.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
I don't think Frank is good.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
No, No, I think he's good. I think he got hits.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
But I just love the way he writes it. Sounds
like he's just tripping and then he just wrote what
he now He's just like yes, So some of those
songs that are like where he is an amazing writer,
one of the two.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
I have songs with his that I love. I don't know.
Maybe I gotta re I gotta redive back in because
people be saying it to me and I'm like, oh,
it doesn't it's not okay anyway. With my first check, I.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Bought somebody a b B it but oh no, no,
I gotta I bought a Nintendo Switch. Actually, okay, this
is great. I love like I love my switch. This
is the best investment. I take it on the plane.
It's great.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
Good for you. I like that you're a gamer. You
play Fortnite.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
I did, but I don't play it anymore.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
They changed the world.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
It's a lot going on now. They got Goku and
Superman in there. I'm not trying to do I just
wanted to actually see.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
I was there when they had Travis, but that was
when I stopped. Like that was the end of the
ara going on.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I like I like adventure games, like I like those Zelda.
The newer Zelda games are amazing. I like I like
zombie games like uh Dying LIGHTE and Last of Us,
like like those stopping games like open open world type
of games.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Okay, that's the trait I can get into, see, ladies,
we like that. We like that. I don't see what
the problem is with the problem this day. What No,
I've been an Instagram friend of you for a while,
so I'm super excited that I got to have you
on the pod Man.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
So you said you want to be on the tour
by the end of the year, but the tour is
not confirmed.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
I was gonna say I didn't say that again, but no, no, Yeah,
it's not confirmed yet. So but we're working on it.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
We'king on say what you want to say. Nobody stopping you.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
There's people stopping me. I have to keep thinking every
time I answer ane of these questions, is gonna yell
at me? Later he's gonna yell at me. He yells
at me. Let's start to hear he yells at me.
All right.
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Last question I had from this game is, outside of singing,
my favorite hobby is.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Oh, refurbishing old like uh dressers and like furniture and
stuff building stuff.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Ladies, Yes, that is so fly. Do you have an
Instagram page of it? I follow pages that do that.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I mean, not one that's really popping, but I have
a I think it's I'm not DNDE on Instagram. Fire
my little burner account.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's super dope. Wait till like, where did you learn
how to do that?
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Uh? YouTube where I learned how to do everything in
the world?
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hilarious YouTube.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
YouTube teaches you a lot.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Do you just be sading ship down and repainting? Like?
What is it that it's given?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Are you actually like restanding, fixing drawers? Uh? Refinishing, like
like painting and putting the top coat. I just built
each chairs the other day, Like the building is so cool,
so crazy? No, I like.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Handyman stuff. Do you do cars?
Speaker 2 (33:54):
I'm working on a car right now. Actually I bought
a I bought a nineteen eighty eight Toyota Super Turbo,
and I'm like, I'm I'm fixing it up. Uh. And
now I'm on the stage where I'm about to paint it.
So I'm saying all the old paint off it, which
takes a ridiculous amount of time, and then I'm gonna
paint that one. Yeah, I'm working on that car.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
How fun. So then day, how do you feel about
the state of R and B right now?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
I think we're in an amazing place. We got a
lot of great R and B artists. I feel like
everybody got a battery in their back like I did
when everybody was saying R and B was dead? They
were like, what are you talking about? And started putting
out even better.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Music, And yeah, I thought that was silly.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
It was crazy. It was just like, you're not looking
for it because it's there.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
I will say, this is just me. I know you've
already established you. I think I have bad taste, but
I am tired of sleepy R and B.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
What is sleepy R and B?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Name somebody you know sleepy R and B?
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't know. I need an example. Yeah, just leep
it up. I'm not editing this, like.
Speaker 1 (34:54):
But that record is sleepy as fuck.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Okay, I get what you mean now.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
I guess not there's that no point isn't give me
a little bit of bounce or like I feel.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
But I feel like sometimes we do need songs like that.
But if it's all like that, then I would see
why that would be.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Like at the submissions that I get bi weekly, they're
all sleepy R and B. Like it's all sleepy R
and B.
Speaker 2 (35:18):
But we're shaking it up hopefully, I know, thank.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
God, that's why. And I really think it's because you're
from Texas, like.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
Different flavor and my producer from Texas too.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Well part same part, Oh, Austin, Okay cool. How did
you feel when you saw them cut off baby Face
at the Grammys this year?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Disrespectful? Who are they trying to go chaperone? Yeah? I
feel it because they either way. I feel like the
interview was in a bad place because either one of them,
she would have got in trouble for not doing that,
Like if that makes sense for not going to get
you'd have got in trouble for not going to get
that one, and you're getting backlash four going to get
that one and leaping this one. I feel like the
way they did that was disrespectful her.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
You know, And it's so funny you would think that
the interview that she went and got would have actually
did something.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
We saw the disrespect though.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's all we saw. That is so unfortunate actually, but
it was super disheartening. But I will say if they
didn't play the great like if the winners weren't who
the winners were, I probably would have raised more hell
about that babyface thing. But because I feel like you
know what money long got hers Kendrick Doci Rhapsody, then
(36:33):
I can't even really be mad outside of that beautiful Yeah.
So now when you go up there to collect yours,
I would say, what like two three years from now? Hell,
maybe next year. I don't know what you got playing
throughout this year, but all I'm saying is, don't forget
the little people.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who's the little people? You're not little? We had to
go through security to get up here. Why are you
glad with us? Why are you don't let her? A
lot of y'all.
Speaker 1 (37:03):
Say you're saying this now, I'm just putting it out
there man, like I'm looking forward to it because it's
definitely in the cards. But shout out your grand Let
everybody know where they can follow you if they don't already.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
Uh. If you want to follow me on Instagram, it's
I am dn DAE I A M d E N
d E. Twitter is dun day is me. Uh All
my music is on both of those places.
Speaker 1 (37:26):
Until next time, guys, talk to peace. Peace, so you
have I am dun Day and I am not dun Day.
They wouldn't let me post my brilliant man. We Need
to Talk is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network.
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