May 12, 2025 • 34 mins
Rising artist Nippa stops by We Need To Talk to chop it up with Nyla Symone about his evolution in music, reflecting on the cultural influences that shape his sound and the personal experiences that fuel his creativity. He shares the importance of vulnerability in both relationships and songwriting, offering insight into the themes behind his latest project. Nippa also discusses the lessons he's learned navigating fame, his aspirations for the future, and the value of staying authentic throughout his journey as an artist.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to we need to talk with production of the
Black Effect podcast Networks.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
On the Moon and you're looking.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
To get it damn with you your boys? You know
what's up now?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We want to do.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Your girl went along and you're not. You need to
talk my girl.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
We need a time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love the name, but who are you attacking? Like?
I'm upen there for her?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We talk. You know, it wasn't just to get this
this embrace it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I don't really feel like I like to be boxed
in and that's scary as an artist being boxed in,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Where people just want to hear the jiggy ship.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's like, at the end of the day, we are
from the UK, so we have gone up in R
and B a bit differently to how over the Punter
is growing up to it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's the difference? Do you feel like love is not enough?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Manna, because that's not because that's not then that's not love, man.
You know what I'm saying, Yo, guys, it's Nipper, a
new project. Hope she hears this is out. Now, what's up?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Ny? We need to talk?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What's up guys? And welcome to another episode. We need
to talk. I am Nilas Simon. Today we're here with
a very special guest, somebody I'm a huge, huge fan of.
We got Nipper in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Happy to be here at a cart line. Man, y'all, Nipper, I.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Can't believe you have no idea how much burned I
gave in the streets.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You're definitely in my Spotify top.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Lash Yeah yeah, no, thank you, manam. And I've been
seeing the love you've been showing soap man, I'm here, manet.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, what brings you to New York in general?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah? So I got a couple of pr stuff to do.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I got an Honor radar that I'm doing, and I
kind of wanted to get a feel man, you know,
I mean I kind of get the feel. Obviously, I've
got you know, family here, Jiggy Burck, so you know,
when I top in with them, get some work done.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
But yeah, I just wanted to get a feel.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How does it feel compared to London?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know what, because London's very multicultural, there's like a
Caribbean side, and I feel like New York kind of
you know, it's just that but just larger. You know
what I mean. But yeah, when I like it, Man,
so far, I like it. It's just like it's a
different feeling to London in it, and there's a bit gray,
you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Gray?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, Yeah, New York can be too.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I come in the summer in it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, No, now is the time if you want to
make that move. Support but moving to New York. Okay,
let's convince him.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I think you should come.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You know, who knows?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I might you might yeah maybe, or maybe I'm thinking
that for like maybe three four months, But like I
don't want to leave family at you know what I'm saying.
So I kind of want to be able to kind
of come back and forth in it, you know what
I mean, just the it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, the flight's not crazy. Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I want to start with I know you're promoting a
new project, but I really want to lock in with
in the Streets.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's that project.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And when I heard it, well, I guess what do
you consider yourself? Do you consider yourself a rapper, R
and B singer or an artist?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I know people hate being labeled as like one thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I think of myself as an artist, to be honest. Yeah, man,
like whether it's like sing rap, whether it's singing. Yeah, man,
I just want to make music in it. So yeah,
I say an artists m And.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What is like your your artist origin story, like what
got you started?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, man, to be honest, like in London, like you
don't really think that music is an option, especially if
you're singing.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I've always wanted to perform.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I've been around a lot of like you know, nineties
R and B reggae, But yeah, man, I think like
one day my managers took me studio, made a song
go a little bit of buzzing Forwar, Okay, yeah it
let's let's carry it on and see if he gets
more love, and then Situation kind of took off and
then yeah, man, just carried it on from there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What was the first song I got buzzed?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Situation still, Yeah, that was when so R and B
Radar posted it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
R and B Radar and posted it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Then Boy Wonder saw it and posted in and yeah,
and it just went around man, and the kind of
took it serious from there.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So you always wanted to do it, but once you
got motion was like, what were you doing at the time?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I was in union, but yeah, man, that just took off.
I didn't expect that to you, because it's like you're
so conditioned to only thinking that like London so small.
So when it was places like Toronto and New York
taking it and I'm thinking ship block that I might
as well run it, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
then from there, like I had to kind of develop
(04:55):
my sound, understand what I want to do in music,
and then yeah, I feel like now I've got I
think this year, I've got to the point where it's
like I love making music in it and I'm understanding
the love for it rather than just trying to make
a song that everyone's gonna love. What I'm saying, like,
make the songs and the artist you come from me,
I'm saying, do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You well, first, what is your relationship like with boy Wonder?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now, yeah, that's family, man, can't lie man, boys boy
wanted to come to the ends, come to my margin's house,
play some Ludi.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh see, yeah, I go and wands quite a bit.
But yeah, man, Now.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I'm like, you know what, you just find real genuine
people man, like Wan, There's been that, you know what
I mean. So even from when I was in Uni. Man,
like if my FaceTime didim like, you know's like heading
up with the mandemn what I'm saying, that's real loving it?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So yeah, my boys, real, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, and talk to me about your your sound because
you said you make music that feels good to you.
But what exactly is like your formula? Do you feel
like you have like a formula at this point?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah? Definite, Man, definite.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm definitely understanding how to utilize my anyway as I'm
navigating music. So you know, of course the formula changes
each time you want to get inspired. But I feel
like I understand what I want the song to sound
like when I hear the beat, what beats I actually
do like how I want something to sound If you're
bringing a guitarist and I'm not just letting you just
you know, freestyle and I pick whatever your picking.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know what I mean? In it?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Man's really been able to understand what I want to
create and how I want to express it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
How are you I guess finding that it is it
through actually just trial and error or like you studying
certain people like yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Man, at the same time, it is trialing error, but
at the same time I'm studying the greats. So I've
noticed that back in my day, I feel like I
never really took.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
In the albums that much.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Singles person yeah, yeah, or maybe find a song that
you lack. But now I'm starting to really take in
projects understanding artists. You know, the first thing I do
if I as long as I'm taking the project now,
you know, actually going out of my way to find
new music, music that I actually like, rather than just
oh I need to study this because this is in
(07:09):
charts or do you know what I'm saying in it?
So actually like study music that I like and why
I like them. So yeah, it's a process. But then
at the same time, I have to understand who I
am personally, growing up from my boy to a man,
and what I want to say in my music, because
at the same time, that's where the essence comes from.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So yeah, this is true.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm curious, what are the project that you are gravitating towards.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Damn definitely look at my Spotify now. I've listened to
a lot of a Ryan Sun. I feel like she's amazing.
I saw her in London as well, Yeah, and she
was amazing. That project got me through a lot you
also have been listening to you. I listened to a
lot of genuine. I just wanted to take in genuine,
so I listen to a lot of old school genuine.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Of course. McGhee, who also have been listening to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You, said, yeah, okay, hard bedroom.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, man, kind of like alternative rock. You know what
I'm saying. It's just different, but I feel like there's
a little Z side to it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean, No, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I only asked because I do feel like you
have a good formula with your music because it's it's
R and B, but it's still got that bounce. Yeah, yeah,
still has like a It's not like sensual, but it
has like a I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
He told me he has a feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I had a feeling, and I like the feeling.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's all I know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, man, I feel like I definitely
just bring myself to R and B because it's like,
at the end of the day, we are from the UK,
so we have gone up on a R and B
a bit differently to how over the Pond is growing
up to it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's kind of what's the difference, I don't know
in it I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well, for starters, it was more so R and B
that was played in the house so amongst families. So
that's where I grew up on an R and B.
While let's say when you're going out as a child,
whether it's like kid parties or or wherever you're going to,
R and B isn't the main songs you'll be hearing.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Maybe a lot of pop yeah Top forty.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Of pop so well over here everywhere you go, it's
just something like you know, you're always hearing it, even
the deep cuts. So there are certain things that we
would have to go listen to, so we'd have to
listen to the album and by the CDs actually take
it in, you know what I'm saying, while you we'll
just hear it out going to I don't know, Jamaican
shop whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So what was the like discovery process like for you?
Was it was it actually like physical CDs or you
just finding things on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Like yeah? Not both man.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So again, as I said, like my March like she
was a heavy R and B fan, So what you're
talking about was when I was younger or also.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Music now when you're younger.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, So my mum was a heavy
R and B fan, so she'd bad like the CDs man.
She go to the shops and just by random CD.
She might even ask the CD man like that, you
know what's popping?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And when she take them, the yard rinks it. And
obviously I grew up and reached reggae as well, so
there's kind of an influence in that. And then yeah,
my sister would like search on YouTube for any like
just new music. Let's say she found a new artist,
like new music from so and so. You know what
I'm saying. So yeah, yeah, I can't beat them up man,
(10:34):
moms and.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Sissah, No for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What what is your ethnicity?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, Jamaican and Nigerian Jamaican.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh hell, you know that actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Listen to your music.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That toxicity is in your blood. Huh, it's in your blood.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
How do you even know that? Because I know a
lot of Americans don't really know the ethnicity. So how
do you know that there's black Nigeria and.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm in New York, I'm surrounded by I'm surrounded by Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Saying you've had a couple of experiences that ain't too
nice unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, you know, it's you live and you learn tale.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I hear it, man, I hear it. I hear it, man.
It's growth in it. Man. That's what I'm saying. Everyone
needs in Nigeria and Jamaica.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And know what I'm saying, because you need to grow, you
need to actually experience the heartbreak so you know what
to avoid.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You know what I'm saying, Really and truly.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I can't stand.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
This fact. It's character building man.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
That honestly, damn, I should have started with what your ethnicity?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So much?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Since Lord have mercy Nigerian men? You know what, I
don't even want to get killed.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's crazy, man, that's crazy. Damn.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So what's your I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Processing that hold on that I'm black American?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh swear? So what you guys just don't know where
Tracey's back to? D Man?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So I could trace back to the plantation my ancestors
worked on.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Mm hmmm, damn man. So what's wherevergined you in America?
Are you from?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Then?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Dexter, Georgia, which is like a country, small country town
outside of Atlanta. It's probably like an hour thirty outside
of Atlanta. Okay, yeah, I've actually been. I went this past.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You went to the actual plantation Jesus.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Christ last summer with my grandmother. Her father was a sharecropper, yeah,
and then her father's father.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah. So when you talked to your grandma that she
remember certain things.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, absolutely, and I love hearing it. But she didn't
grow up in slavery.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But like the cool things that I guess I learned
from her about it is like first of all, it's
like she got twelve siblings and they all live in
this like barn style home that's on the plantation. Yeah,
and then like they didn't have a refrigerator, so she's
like showing me how they like were they buried potatoes
throughout the winter that you can like dig up and
(13:14):
like cook them when it was time or I don't know,
just like old Negro spirituals.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
No, that's like it's so crazy hearing because you know,
learn about in history, but I was from the UK.
It's so disconnected to that. So it's like you're able
to kind of trace it back when we're learning at.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It, trace it back as far as I can.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, we're looking at it as it's just so far
removed in it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But it's really not.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, like's it wasn't even that long ago, you know,
not that long.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I'm trying to a grandma. She's bringing us to the
plus plantation, you.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Know, I mean, I know, And honestly, that's why we
really can't take nothing for granted. Whenever I talked to
my grandma, I really realized that I'm privileged.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, facts, and I can't take that for granted.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, facts, man.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But oh god Nigerian and all right, so back to
the stress you just caused me. So have do you
like visit Nigeria?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Of No, So I didn't really got my pops in it.
My pops is Nigerian. Yeah, come on, I.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Say, you know what, this is not the place joking.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, but yeah, my nice I didn't got my pops
in it. So I've been Nigeria though I went and
shoot a video. It was it was an experience. Still, Yeah,
it was a different experience that I'm not that used.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To, positive or negative.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Positive.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You know, it's always good to touch the motherland, it's
always good to touch Africa regardless.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But it definitely showed me again as we.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Sold privileged Okay, okay, okay, definitely showed me how privilege
we are legs. Yeah lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah have you been No, I haven't been. I've only
been to Ghana and Morocco.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, I was gonna live went dirty December.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
What I guess was like the biggest difference that you
saw legos, It was defo.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It was definite. The access to a lot of things.
So for example, here in New York able to access
the subway quickly. There's just a lot of things that
maybe people in that GYP don't have access to well
because we're so westernized, we take a lot of shit
for granted. So yeah, it definitely showed me that there's
a lot of extreme poverty out there, but the same
time as extreme wealth, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So that was definite. That was definitely what eye opener.
But yeah, man, and.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What about Jamaica. You go to Jamaica often.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Man, I'm trying to go this year. Man, I need
to go this year. I need touch home my women.
I was at four, But I feel like I need
to go there just for music as well, man, like
just to get inspired. I feel like you'll give me
a different a different way to approach new things.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know what I'm saying, I have a little bit
of my teams, some of that raid.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, crazy exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You think you'll end up being a roster. I feel
like I can see that for you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Brother. I grew up rusting you though.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, make my team.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Man, you're laughing?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was made like we say that, Yeah this is his thing?
Come on, man? What can I say? Man? Rast far right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's the when are we locking the hair?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Let me get my king on that first. Let me
reflex a little bit, man.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Saying soon soon, I think when I touched for where
you'll start looking Okay, I'm an old man, I'm saying,
you know, old.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you know what I mean, man like old but
you know what I mean it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like I'm before it. Yeah, but that's when like I'm
turning into my mature face.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I hate.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I was going to be mature. Do you get me? Like?
You know, I'm thirties. Time to start family? You know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Wow, family, I want to you want to find a why?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah? Crazy? Yeah? Man?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know I feel like so because then your music
you don't sound like you said like you just try
and ship so like like.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm out in it. Yes, no I'm not man not man, Well,
no I'm not. Man. I feel like I feel like
I need I need like a wife, I need kids.
I need a family. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I need a nuclear family, you know, working towards certain car.
I feel like, you know, I never heard that. So man,
when I you know, give my kids that rather than
just see them, that's just be I here, man, Well.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Never what are you looking for? And a woman if.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
People want to know, she has to be rastering man,
not stretched now she don't.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I take that back, man, that was going to ruin
my market, but just best. No, dam what am I
looking for? Man? Yes, that's a question, and I need
to know myself first.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Man, Lord, how old are you?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Should I say?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's a can blurb it?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, no, no, I'm twenty four okay, yeah, alright you.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Think so I don't know, man, I feel like I'm old. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I feel like I'm old, okay, because it's like I
don't feel like I'm like twenty one was when you're like,
you know why in but you're.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Three years off twenty one?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I know what now it's you know grow nowge what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Nigga just said I'm gonna lock my hair when I'm
thirty and old. Like yeah, that was a why ass coming.
And you know what, I'm turning the number after twenty
nine a few months, so I'm just having a hard
time accepting that when you turning July twenty fifth, rare, that's.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Your birth day is old. No, I'll big up back now,
big up.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, you're turning forty after twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Number between that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, you know what, man, you got two months
to just do some ying ship man.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you should.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Just while out because thirty you gotta start family, man,
ye have to man, you have to come on, how
would you just.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Jump out a family?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean I do want to start failing, not at thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So when you're trying to start a family, maybe.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Thirty when I find a husband. Let's start there.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Still, Okay, all right, now, let me actually get into
the music because I've.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Been we got distracted there.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, first I'm gonna start off with sugar with Larry June.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, how did that collapse come about?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Honestly, Larry and DM man just showed show me some love, man, honestly,
show me some love.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And then.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, man, was meant to do quite a lot more songs.
I came here, we got in the studio and I
went back and I made Sugar and I needed a
feature on Indus Streets and I was like, ship, man,
let me just trying to see if libels. But I
promise you man, I sent that to him, went on
my flight to LA to do something that I responded
to as soon as I learned it, saying yeah on it,
(20:12):
now send me videos of him doing the verse and
ship I've bear mind like man sent songs to bear
other people in the UK.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But Larry Boy done that quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Man, I love that record, played it to the ground,
perfect colab It's smooth.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, I love it. And then also I guess it's
on the deluxe EPs. You got the joint with Ryan Trey?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
How did you end up collabing with Ryan again?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Man?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Same thing, man, just the MD each other. I'm a
fan of his, he obviously expected my work. Then yeah, man,
I think I sent him a song quite a while ago,
and you still the verse quickly again? And yeah, man,
we was going to release it together. But I think
the way your schedules were clashing. So yeah, man, on
this track, I.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Can see you guys being toxic twins.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, he's hard, man, Ladies, stay away from es. I'll
go get locks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Man, let's not speed up your process and then now
you're dropping Nipper.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I hope she hears this.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Why the name, yeah, man, because.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I do hope she hears it. At the end of
the day, you know what I'm saying. My music definitely
comes from a source and she is not source. So hey, man,
I hope she hears it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Are you looking to rekindle anything or is this more
of a closure situation for you?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, ship, that's a question. I don't know. I don't
know about that one. I'm scared you might see this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You're not scared that, You're not scared that she's goning
here this take.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
But you're scared of her here and this I can
control that.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I can control.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
That was just a yeah, yeah, I'd be like, oh man, Yeah,
that wasn't even about what I'm saying. But nah, do
I want to recin do? I don't know, man, Honestly,
I need I need to grow. I need to grow, man,
I need to grow with it myself to know if
it's if if I if I'm even capable of anything yet.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
The voicemails that you included in like the skits or
in the skit, is that a real one?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Or yeah? What man? Is this?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Is that a catalyst for the project?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I say it, so I say so to
an extent. I guess he's in it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So yeah, So it seems like you guys are on
it's my good terms.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Not necessarily though, because it's like at the start of
the project is where I'm more so trying to put
my all into it, making sure that you know this works,
trying to find a way to communicate. But it's like
by the end when we get to is like I
have more soul understood my self worth, and I'm like,
(23:04):
you know what cool is? You know, if I'm being
treated like this, I'm being drained but I'm getting I'm
getting nothing back then, you know one, you know what
I'm saying, What is.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It that you want people to take away from this project?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I want people to take away that it's not every
day just toxic.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Do you know what I'm saying, I feel like I've
been mad runnable on this tape, and I feel like
I'm expressing a different side to myself that I've never
expressed before, rather.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Than it just be you know, fun and games.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You got you know, four or five girls here and there,
the like now man like, well, niggas can feel insecure too, man.
You know what I'm saying that sometimes you be spending
on a girl so much, doing your thing and you
get nothing back in it, you know what I'm saying.
And the love is not necessarily appreciated, And yeah, my man,
um go through that shit, and I feel like I
just wanted to express that myself because that's what I
(23:56):
went through. So I want to actually show the world,
you know, my art history because I just put down
the music.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I respect it. Do you feel like love is not enough.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
In what way.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
To carry on?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
As in within a relationship?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Okay, Okay, you're asking love is not enough to so
that just the fact that I love you, there's no
there's no showing, there's no just because I love you,
You're going to carry on?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes? Nah?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Man nah, because that's not because that's not then that's
not love.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Man. You know what I'm saying, if you love someone,
you want to make them feel appreciated, You want to
make them feel loved. You're want to make them, you know, happy,
to make them feel sexy. If you ain't doing that,
then do you truly love them? You know what I
mean that maybe you just are comfortable around them, maybe
just like being around them. Maybe you just got used
to them. You know what I'm saying That real love,
you know, that's your fifty percent in it. So what
(24:54):
I'm saying, that's your health. So you making them feel better,
it's making you feel better.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
The same time. True all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So yeah, man, what would you say is your most
vulnerable record or like one of the hardest records on
this for you to make?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think I have an unfair you know? Or yeah,
oh brand as, Yeah I think those two because it's
like unfairs when I was at the peak self realization,
like yeah, brother, I'm knit man, fuck this man, I'm
doing my team man, or you know, not that it's
a lost cause, but yeah, man, I've done what I've
(25:29):
needed to do. And then Brian as as well as
at a point of peak love like cooler even infatuation.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I'm saying that to a.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Point where you know, when you're not even noticing the
physical attributes of a woman, you're just understanding her and
her heart, and you know you're falling in love with
who she actually is rather than all the noise around it,
you know what I'm saying, And like, you know, it's
some small details of that, you know, branas and ship
like that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I've got bare assk in there, man, flipping out.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
We love it, you know, it was just to get this.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Embrace it, Embrace it. I feel like with this tape,
I feel like with the previous tape it feels more
like rappish, and then I feel like with this tape
it feels more.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
In your bag.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You think, so, oh, thank god you said that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Thank god I said that. That's what you're going for.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, man, I wanted to be in my back with
this one.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
In't it okay?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I mean like I feel like I wanted to just
show like I can do more in it. You know
what I'm saying. I don't really feel like I like
to be boxed in, and that's scary as an artist
being boxed in, you know what I'm saying, Where people
just want to hear the jiggy ship, you know what
I mean? So yeah, man, I definitely wanted to kind
of show that me in my back rather than just
(26:54):
he's in this type of bag he's in.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's in his back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, and these are just the epeas. When we get
the album, I'm like, yeah, yeah, what is that going
to give?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What did?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Do you have a plan for that already? Are you
like slowly building.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That or I don't know?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Man, I feel like again because the music actually has
to come from me in it, Man, that's to grow myself.
Do you understand that I actually have to talk about me?
Like what do I want to talk about? What I've
gone through? So it's a lot of conversation with that family,
It's a lot of conversation with new friends. It's a
lot of building back relationships that may have been lost
(27:32):
in it, you know what I'm saying. Whether it's about
love or whether it's where it's to do, I don't know,
just your life in it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So I don't even know what it's going to sound like.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I know I want to speak about to an extent,
but you know, that's like like one topic out of twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
So, yeah, understood.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
On the show, we play a game called Questions that
need Answers. All you have to do is fell in
the blank.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh it hit me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The older I get, the less I.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Shit, man, The older I get, the older I get,
the less I stress.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Good is it?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You would never believe me if I told.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You, you would never believe me?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
What about myself? You would never believe me if I
told you Jesus Christ. I don't even know if you
would never believe me if I told you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Watch anime?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Attack on Titland?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I never seen it?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You know you don't watch the anime? Do you know?
Watch an attack on Titan?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Then attack on Titan? I love attack on Titan. You Hockyshoe?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah? Yeah? What Demon Slayer? I haven't seen the last
season yet.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But what Solo leveling? Solo leveling? Never heard of it?
Solo leveling?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
He said it?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know, I mean, just just in case, it's you know,
solo living and yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No, but okay, I love that. Sometimes I look back
at my life and.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Cry, what.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, that's okay, it's the same space.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But yeah, but sometimes you know, cryd happiness job, cry
sad crowd of what I'm saying, life is beautiful with.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
It When the last time you cried?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Come on, man, what you just said?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's beautiful that you ship.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
It was the last time I cried or my coping. Yeah,
in my January. Yeah, man, I just did my headline show.
I was like, man, just spare people here and oh
my god. And they enjoyed it as well. And if
they don't flop, Yeah, so I have to bust one.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, shout out to you for that. Congress.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Jay Z is greatest rapper alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ten years from now, I want my legacy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
To be Ten years from now, I want my legacy
to be cemented.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah that makes sense, sure that guy? Yeah, yeah, like
he that is that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, man, you are well on your way.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Hey, So I can't do man, tryed in it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So I can't do you man, Blank is one movie
I can watch with the sound off.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh if I.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Say this, man, but I want to you know Eternals man,
sorry Eternals Marvel Yeah man, yeah, I wasn't feeling that
one still. Yeah, but yeah. I wasn't feeling that one,
but you're not. Yeah wait you say with this sound off?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, but as in like you know it because you
love it.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh like you've got a blur up because I'm dissing eternals.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Man, you got a blur can't say shy turtles? There
was a cold.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Cold many shy cold is I see on Double M
on Double M's Coldest?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Well, what's what Maybe I could watch you with this
sound off? I'm probably Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Man Deadpool Yeah bro, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
That's some childish shipping it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But hell, I hate that. Maybe it's just really for
the boys. I guess that's what I because I was
not laughing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Well, you know, you're a bit older than me in it,
so maybe at the time. No, not like that, not that,
not like that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Disrespectful away from Nigeria.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I'm just saying you might have been a bit more
mature than me in it.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
It's just not my sense of humor style to this day,
to this.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Day, So what's the movie that you'd watch and actually
laugh at and.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Actually laugh at you know what? Movies are not me thing.
Let me just say the hardest lesson I learned about
fame is.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Oh damn, the hardest lesson I learned about fame is
that it can make you anxious. You all it can.
It can make you anxious. But I don't think I'm
famous yet in it. But even the journey, it can
make you anxious in it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, how are you dealing with that?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Uh? Gee, that's a good question. In it, I'm still
figuring that.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
My brother, Jesus, I smoke a lot yet, yes, smoked
that to the face.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Really trying to brand this. I got to commend you
don't smoke.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Don't smoke. It's bat.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Outside of wrapping blank is my favorite hobby.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Damn, What have I been doing? Making music? Man? Making
music is still my hobby, you know, side of it.
That's what I do. I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
By the end of twenty twenty five, I hope too.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Ah damn.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
What do I hope to do by the end of
twenty twenty five? I just hope to have a good year, man.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah. I hope to look back and say, yeah, good year.
Hope to be proud. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well does a good year look like for you?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I don't know, man, We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Man, come on, let's manifest.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe you know, having a
successful tour what else? Man? You know, people loving the project.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Hopefully you already get that.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, but you know you still want it a bit more,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, like maybe everyone that hears the project they love it.
And yeah, man, just keeping inspired to create more music.
So yeah, man, I think that's a good year, just
keeping inspired and shit, yeah I.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Make I make your memories in it, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yes, that sounds so like like, yo, just make your memories.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
What is the saying is it's about the process.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, man, just hope. I just I'm just enjoying the process,
which I y'am in it, you get me. Actually, I'm
enjoying the process.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
It's better than being in the ends doing nothing in it.
So you know, I've created a way to see more experiences,
so I can't complain in it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Good.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well, I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I'm looking forward to seeing the feedback for the new
tape and of course when the album drops, I'll be excited.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Shout out to your Graham. Let everybody know where they
can follow nip on who platforms. Yeah, guys, time.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
On the Moon and you're looking.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
To get it damn with you your boys? You know
what's up now?
Speaker 4 (00:15):
We want to do.
Speaker 5 (00:16):
Your girl went along and you're not. You need to
talk my girl.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
We need a time.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Damn.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
I love the name, but who are you attacking? Like?
I'm upen there for her?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
We talk. You know, it wasn't just to get this
this embrace it.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
I don't really feel like I like to be boxed
in and that's scary as an artist being boxed in,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Where people just want to hear the jiggy ship.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
It's like, at the end of the day, we are
from the UK, so we have gone up in R
and B a bit differently to how over the Punter
is growing up to it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
What's the difference? Do you feel like love is not enough?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Nah?
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Manna, because that's not because that's not then that's not love, man.
You know what I'm saying, Yo, guys, it's Nipper, a
new project. Hope she hears this is out. Now, what's up?
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Ny? We need to talk?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What's up guys? And welcome to another episode. We need
to talk. I am Nilas Simon. Today we're here with
a very special guest, somebody I'm a huge, huge fan of.
We got Nipper in the building.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Happy to be here at a cart line. Man, y'all, Nipper, I.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Can't believe you have no idea how much burned I
gave in the streets.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Yeah, yeah, it's nasty.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
You're definitely in my Spotify top.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Lash Yeah yeah, no, thank you, manam. And I've been
seeing the love you've been showing soap man, I'm here, manet.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Yes, what brings you to New York in general?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah? So I got a couple of pr stuff to do.
Speaker 4 (01:53):
I got an Honor radar that I'm doing, and I
kind of wanted to get a feel man, you know,
I mean I kind of get the feel. Obviously, I've
got you know, family here, Jiggy Burck, so you know,
when I top in with them, get some work done.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
But yeah, I just wanted to get a feel.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
How does it feel compared to London?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
You know what, because London's very multicultural, there's like a
Caribbean side, and I feel like New York kind of
you know, it's just that but just larger. You know
what I mean. But yeah, when I like it, Man,
so far, I like it. It's just like it's a
different feeling to London in it, and there's a bit gray,
you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Gray?
Speaker 5 (02:28):
Yeah, Yeah, New York can be too.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I come in the summer in it.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, No, now is the time if you want to
make that move. Support but moving to New York. Okay,
let's convince him.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
I think you should come.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
You know, who knows?
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I might you might yeah maybe, or maybe I'm thinking
that for like maybe three four months, But like I
don't want to leave family at you know what I'm saying.
So I kind of want to be able to kind
of come back and forth in it, you know what
I mean, just the it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, the flight's not crazy. Yeah, okay, So.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I want to start with I know you're promoting a
new project, but I really want to lock in with
in the Streets.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
That's that project.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And when I heard it, well, I guess what do
you consider yourself? Do you consider yourself a rapper, R
and B singer or an artist?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
I know people hate being labeled as like one thing.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I think of myself as an artist, to be honest. Yeah, man,
like whether it's like sing rap, whether it's singing. Yeah, man,
I just want to make music in it. So yeah,
I say an artists m And.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
What is like your your artist origin story, like what
got you started?
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Well, man, to be honest, like in London, like you
don't really think that music is an option, especially if
you're singing.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I've always wanted to perform.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I've been around a lot of like you know, nineties
R and B reggae, But yeah, man, I think like
one day my managers took me studio, made a song
go a little bit of buzzing Forwar, Okay, yeah it
let's let's carry it on and see if he gets
more love, and then Situation kind of took off and
then yeah, man, just carried it on from there.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
What was the first song I got buzzed?
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Situation still, Yeah, that was when so R and B
Radar posted it.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
R and B Radar and posted it.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Then Boy Wonder saw it and posted in and yeah,
and it just went around man, and the kind of
took it serious from there.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
So you always wanted to do it, but once you
got motion was like, what were you doing at the time?
Speaker 4 (04:35):
I was in union, but yeah, man, that just took off.
I didn't expect that to you, because it's like you're
so conditioned to only thinking that like London so small.
So when it was places like Toronto and New York
taking it and I'm thinking ship block that I might
as well run it, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
then from there, like I had to kind of develop
(04:55):
my sound, understand what I want to do in music,
and then yeah, I feel like now I've got I
think this year, I've got to the point where it's
like I love making music in it and I'm understanding
the love for it rather than just trying to make
a song that everyone's gonna love. What I'm saying, like,
make the songs and the artist you come from me,
I'm saying, do.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
You well, first, what is your relationship like with boy Wonder?
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Now, yeah, that's family, man, can't lie man, boys boy
wanted to come to the ends, come to my margin's house,
play some Ludi.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Oh see, yeah, I go and wands quite a bit.
But yeah, man, Now.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
I'm like, you know what, you just find real genuine
people man, like Wan, There's been that, you know what
I mean. So even from when I was in Uni. Man,
like if my FaceTime didim like, you know's like heading
up with the mandemn what I'm saying, that's real loving it?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
So yeah, my boys, real, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah, and talk to me about your your sound because
you said you make music that feels good to you.
But what exactly is like your formula? Do you feel
like you have like a formula at this point?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah? Definite, Man, definite.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
I'm definitely understanding how to utilize my anyway as I'm
navigating music. So you know, of course the formula changes
each time you want to get inspired. But I feel
like I understand what I want the song to sound
like when I hear the beat, what beats I actually
do like how I want something to sound If you're
bringing a guitarist and I'm not just letting you just
you know, freestyle and I pick whatever your picking.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
You know what I mean? In it?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Man's really been able to understand what I want to
create and how I want to express it.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
How are you I guess finding that it is it
through actually just trial and error or like you studying
certain people like yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Man, at the same time, it is trialing error, but
at the same time I'm studying the greats. So I've
noticed that back in my day, I feel like I
never really took.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
In the albums that much.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Singles person yeah, yeah, or maybe find a song that
you lack. But now I'm starting to really take in
projects understanding artists. You know, the first thing I do
if I as long as I'm taking the project now,
you know, actually going out of my way to find
new music, music that I actually like, rather than just
oh I need to study this because this is in
(07:09):
charts or do you know what I'm saying in it?
So actually like study music that I like and why
I like them. So yeah, it's a process. But then
at the same time, I have to understand who I
am personally, growing up from my boy to a man,
and what I want to say in my music, because
at the same time, that's where the essence comes from.
Speaker 5 (07:27):
So yeah, this is true.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
I'm curious, what are the project that you are gravitating towards.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Damn definitely look at my Spotify now. I've listened to
a lot of a Ryan Sun. I feel like she's amazing.
I saw her in London as well, Yeah, and she
was amazing. That project got me through a lot you
also have been listening to you. I listened to a
lot of genuine. I just wanted to take in genuine,
so I listen to a lot of old school genuine.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Of course. McGhee, who also have been listening to.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You, said, yeah, okay, hard bedroom.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah, man, kind of like alternative rock. You know what
I'm saying. It's just different, but I feel like there's
a little Z side to it.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Yeah, you know what I mean, No, for sure.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah, I only asked because I do feel like you
have a good formula with your music because it's it's
R and B, but it's still got that bounce. Yeah, yeah,
still has like a It's not like sensual, but it
has like a I don't know.
Speaker 5 (08:33):
He told me he has a feeling.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
I had a feeling, and I like the feeling.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
That's all I know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, man, I feel like I definitely
just bring myself to R and B because it's like,
at the end of the day, we are from the UK,
so we have gone up on a R and B
a bit differently to how over the Pond is growing
up to it.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
So it's kind of what's the difference, I don't know
in it I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
Well, for starters, it was more so R and B
that was played in the house so amongst families. So
that's where I grew up on an R and B.
While let's say when you're going out as a child,
whether it's like kid parties or or wherever you're going to,
R and B isn't the main songs you'll be hearing.
Speaker 5 (09:15):
Maybe a lot of pop yeah Top forty.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Of pop so well over here everywhere you go, it's
just something like you know, you're always hearing it, even
the deep cuts. So there are certain things that we
would have to go listen to, so we'd have to
listen to the album and by the CDs actually take
it in, you know what I'm saying, while you we'll
just hear it out going to I don't know, Jamaican
shop whatever.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
That makes sense.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So what was the like discovery process like for you?
Was it was it actually like physical CDs or you
just finding things on YouTube?
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Like yeah? Not both man.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
So again, as I said, like my March like she
was a heavy R and B fan, So what you're
talking about was when I was younger or also.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Music now when you're younger.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah, yeah, so yeah, So my mum was a heavy
R and B fan, so she'd bad like the CDs man.
She go to the shops and just by random CD.
She might even ask the CD man like that, you
know what's popping?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And when she take them, the yard rinks it. And
obviously I grew up and reached reggae as well, so
there's kind of an influence in that. And then yeah,
my sister would like search on YouTube for any like
just new music. Let's say she found a new artist,
like new music from so and so. You know what
I'm saying. So yeah, yeah, I can't beat them up man,
(10:34):
moms and.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Sissah, No for sure.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
What what is your ethnicity?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Yeah, Jamaican and Nigerian Jamaican.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Oh hell, you know that actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
Listen to your music.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
That toxicity is in your blood. Huh, it's in your blood.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
How do you even know that? Because I know a
lot of Americans don't really know the ethnicity. So how
do you know that there's black Nigeria and.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I'm in New York, I'm surrounded by I'm surrounded by Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Saying you've had a couple of experiences that ain't too
nice unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, you know, it's you live and you learn tale.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
I hear it, man, I hear it. I hear it, man.
It's growth in it. Man. That's what I'm saying. Everyone
needs in Nigeria and Jamaica.
Speaker 4 (11:28):
And know what I'm saying, because you need to grow, you
need to actually experience the heartbreak so you know what
to avoid.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
You know what I'm saying, Really and truly.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
I can't stand.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
This fact. It's character building man.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
That honestly, damn, I should have started with what your ethnicity?
Speaker 5 (11:45):
So much?
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Since Lord have mercy Nigerian men? You know what, I
don't even want to get killed.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
That's crazy, man, that's crazy. Damn.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
That's a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
So what's your I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Processing that hold on that I'm black American?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh swear? So what you guys just don't know where
Tracey's back to? D Man?
Speaker 2 (12:10):
So I could trace back to the plantation my ancestors
worked on.
Speaker 3 (12:15):
Mm hmmm, damn man. So what's wherevergined you in America?
Are you from?
Speaker 5 (12:20):
Then?
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Dexter, Georgia, which is like a country, small country town
outside of Atlanta. It's probably like an hour thirty outside
of Atlanta. Okay, yeah, I've actually been. I went this past.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
You went to the actual plantation Jesus.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
Christ last summer with my grandmother. Her father was a sharecropper, yeah,
and then her father's father.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Yeah. So when you talked to your grandma that she
remember certain things.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Yeah, absolutely, and I love hearing it. But she didn't
grow up in slavery.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
But like the cool things that I guess I learned
from her about it is like first of all, it's
like she got twelve siblings and they all live in
this like barn style home that's on the plantation. Yeah,
and then like they didn't have a refrigerator, so she's
like showing me how they like were they buried potatoes
throughout the winter that you can like dig up and
(13:14):
like cook them when it was time or I don't know,
just like old Negro spirituals.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
No, that's like it's so crazy hearing because you know,
learn about in history, but I was from the UK.
It's so disconnected to that. So it's like you're able
to kind of trace it back when we're learning at.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
It, trace it back as far as I can.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Yeah, we're looking at it as it's just so far
removed in it.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But it's really not.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, yeah, like's it wasn't even that long ago, you know,
not that long.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
I'm trying to a grandma. She's bringing us to the
plus plantation, you.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Know, I mean, I know, And honestly, that's why we
really can't take nothing for granted. Whenever I talked to
my grandma, I really realized that I'm privileged.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, facts, and I can't take that for granted.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Yeah, facts, man.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
But oh god Nigerian and all right, so back to
the stress you just caused me. So have do you
like visit Nigeria?
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Of No, So I didn't really got my pops in it.
My pops is Nigerian. Yeah, come on, I.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Say, you know what, this is not the place joking.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
Yeah, but yeah, my nice I didn't got my pops
in it. So I've been Nigeria though I went and
shoot a video. It was it was an experience. Still, Yeah,
it was a different experience that I'm not that used.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
To, positive or negative.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Positive.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
You know, it's always good to touch the motherland, it's
always good to touch Africa regardless.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
But it definitely showed me again as we.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Sold privileged Okay, okay, okay, definitely showed me how privilege
we are legs. Yeah lucky.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Yeah have you been No, I haven't been. I've only
been to Ghana and Morocco.
Speaker 5 (14:59):
Yeah, I was gonna live went dirty December.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
What I guess was like the biggest difference that you
saw legos, It was defo.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
It was definite. The access to a lot of things.
So for example, here in New York able to access
the subway quickly. There's just a lot of things that
maybe people in that GYP don't have access to well
because we're so westernized, we take a lot of shit
for granted. So yeah, it definitely showed me that there's
a lot of extreme poverty out there, but the same
time as extreme wealth, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
So that was definite. That was definitely what eye opener.
But yeah, man, and.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
What about Jamaica. You go to Jamaica often.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
Man, I'm trying to go this year. Man, I need
to go this year. I need touch home my women.
I was at four, But I feel like I need
to go there just for music as well, man, like
just to get inspired. I feel like you'll give me
a different a different way to approach new things.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
You know what I'm saying, I have a little bit
of my teams, some of that raid.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Yeah, crazy exactly.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
You think you'll end up being a roster. I feel
like I can see that for you.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
Brother. I grew up rusting you though.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, make my team.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Man, you're laughing?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Was made like we say that, Yeah this is his thing?
Come on, man? What can I say? Man? Rast far right?
Speaker 2 (16:29):
That's the when are we locking the hair?
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Let me get my king on that first. Let me
reflex a little bit, man.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Saying soon soon, I think when I touched for where
you'll start looking Okay, I'm an old man, I'm saying,
you know, old.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
But you know what I mean, man like old but
you know what I mean it.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Like I'm before it. Yeah, but that's when like I'm
turning into my mature face.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I hate.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
I was going to be mature. Do you get me? Like?
You know, I'm thirties. Time to start family? You know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Wow, family, I want to you want to find a why?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Yeah? Crazy? Yeah? Man?
Speaker 1 (17:12):
You know I feel like so because then your music
you don't sound like you said like you just try
and ship so like like.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
I'm out in it. Yes, no I'm not man not man, Well,
no I'm not. Man. I feel like I feel like
I need I need like a wife, I need kids.
I need a family. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
I need a nuclear family, you know, working towards certain car.
I feel like, you know, I never heard that. So man,
when I you know, give my kids that rather than
just see them, that's just be I here, man, Well.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Never what are you looking for? And a woman if.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
People want to know, she has to be rastering man,
not stretched now she don't.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
I take that back, man, that was going to ruin
my market, but just best. No, dam what am I
looking for? Man? Yes, that's a question, and I need
to know myself first.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Man, Lord, how old are you?
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Should I say?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
It's a can blurb it?
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah, no, no, I'm twenty four okay, yeah, alright you.
Speaker 3 (18:15):
Think so I don't know, man, I feel like I'm old. Man.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I feel like I'm old, okay, because it's like I
don't feel like I'm like twenty one was when you're like,
you know why in but you're.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
Three years off twenty one?
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I know what now it's you know grow nowge what
I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Nigga just said I'm gonna lock my hair when I'm
thirty and old. Like yeah, that was a why ass coming.
And you know what, I'm turning the number after twenty
nine a few months, so I'm just having a hard
time accepting that when you turning July twenty fifth, rare, that's.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Your birth day is old. No, I'll big up back now,
big up.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Yeah, you're turning forty after twenty nine.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Number between that.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
I mean, you know what, man, you got two months
to just do some ying ship man.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, you know what I mean, Like you should.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
Just while out because thirty you gotta start family, man,
ye have to man, you have to come on, how
would you just.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Jump out a family?
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
I mean I do want to start failing, not at thirty.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
So when you're trying to start a family, maybe.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Thirty when I find a husband. Let's start there.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Let's start there.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Still, Okay, all right, now, let me actually get into
the music because I've.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Been we got distracted there.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Well, first I'm gonna start off with sugar with Larry June.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yeah, how did that collapse come about?
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Boy?
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Honestly, Larry and DM man just showed show me some love, man, honestly,
show me some love.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
And then.
Speaker 4 (19:50):
Yeah, man, was meant to do quite a lot more songs.
I came here, we got in the studio and I
went back and I made Sugar and I needed a
feature on Indus Streets and I was like, ship, man,
let me just trying to see if libels. But I
promise you man, I sent that to him, went on
my flight to LA to do something that I responded
to as soon as I learned it, saying yeah on it,
(20:12):
now send me videos of him doing the verse and
ship I've bear mind like man sent songs to bear
other people in the UK.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
But Larry Boy done that quickly.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Man, I love that record, played it to the ground,
perfect colab It's smooth.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Yeah, I love it. And then also I guess it's
on the deluxe EPs. You got the joint with Ryan Trey?
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:38):
How did you end up collabing with Ryan again?
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Man?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
Same thing, man, just the MD each other. I'm a
fan of his, he obviously expected my work. Then yeah, man,
I think I sent him a song quite a while ago,
and you still the verse quickly again? And yeah, man,
we was going to release it together. But I think
the way your schedules were clashing. So yeah, man, on
this track, I.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Can see you guys being toxic twins.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Yeah, he's hard, man, Ladies, stay away from es. I'll
go get locks.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Man, let's not speed up your process and then now
you're dropping Nipper.
Speaker 2 (21:19):
I hope she hears this.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Why the name, yeah, man, because.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
I do hope she hears it. At the end of
the day, you know what I'm saying. My music definitely
comes from a source and she is not source. So hey, man,
I hope she hears it.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Are you looking to rekindle anything or is this more
of a closure situation for you?
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Yeah, ship, that's a question. I don't know. I don't
know about that one. I'm scared you might see this.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You're not scared that, You're not scared that she's goning
here this take.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
But you're scared of her here and this I can
control that.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I can control.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
That was just a yeah, yeah, I'd be like, oh man, Yeah,
that wasn't even about what I'm saying. But nah, do
I want to recin do? I don't know, man, Honestly,
I need I need to grow. I need to grow, man,
I need to grow with it myself to know if
it's if if I if I'm even capable of anything yet.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
The voicemails that you included in like the skits or
in the skit, is that a real one?
Speaker 3 (22:23):
Or yeah? What man? Is this?
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Is that a catalyst for the project?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah? Yeah, I say it, so I say so to
an extent. I guess he's in it.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
So yeah, So it seems like you guys are on
it's my good terms.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
Not necessarily though, because it's like at the start of
the project is where I'm more so trying to put
my all into it, making sure that you know this works,
trying to find a way to communicate. But it's like
by the end when we get to is like I
have more soul understood my self worth, and I'm like,
(23:04):
you know what cool is? You know, if I'm being
treated like this, I'm being drained but I'm getting I'm
getting nothing back then, you know one, you know what
I'm saying, What is.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
It that you want people to take away from this project?
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I want people to take away that it's not every
day just toxic.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Do you know what I'm saying, I feel like I've
been mad runnable on this tape, and I feel like
I'm expressing a different side to myself that I've never
expressed before, rather.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Than it just be you know, fun and games.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
You got you know, four or five girls here and there,
the like now man like, well, niggas can feel insecure too, man.
You know what I'm saying that sometimes you be spending
on a girl so much, doing your thing and you
get nothing back in it, you know what I'm saying.
And the love is not necessarily appreciated, And yeah, my man,
um go through that shit, and I feel like I
just wanted to express that myself because that's what I
(23:56):
went through. So I want to actually show the world,
you know, my art history because I just put down
the music.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
I respect it. Do you feel like love is not enough.
Speaker 3 (24:08):
In what way.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
To carry on?
Speaker 5 (24:13):
As in within a relationship?
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Okay, Okay, you're asking love is not enough to so
that just the fact that I love you, there's no
there's no showing, there's no just because I love you,
You're going to carry on?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes? Nah?
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Man nah, because that's not because that's not then that's
not love.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Man. You know what I'm saying, if you love someone,
you want to make them feel appreciated, You want to
make them feel loved. You're want to make them, you know, happy,
to make them feel sexy. If you ain't doing that,
then do you truly love them? You know what I
mean that maybe you just are comfortable around them, maybe
just like being around them. Maybe you just got used
to them. You know what I'm saying That real love,
you know, that's your fifty percent in it. So what
(24:54):
I'm saying, that's your health. So you making them feel better,
it's making you feel better.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
The same time. True all the time.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
So yeah, man, what would you say is your most
vulnerable record or like one of the hardest records on
this for you to make?
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I think I have an unfair you know? Or yeah,
oh brand as, Yeah I think those two because it's
like unfairs when I was at the peak self realization,
like yeah, brother, I'm knit man, fuck this man, I'm
doing my team man, or you know, not that it's
a lost cause, but yeah, man, I've done what I've
(25:29):
needed to do. And then Brian as as well as
at a point of peak love like cooler even infatuation.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I'm saying that to a.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Point where you know, when you're not even noticing the
physical attributes of a woman, you're just understanding her and
her heart, and you know you're falling in love with
who she actually is rather than all the noise around it,
you know what I'm saying, And like, you know, it's
some small details of that, you know, branas and ship
like that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
I've got bare assk in there, man, flipping out.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
We love it, you know, it was just to get this.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Embrace it, Embrace it. I feel like with this tape,
I feel like with the previous tape it feels more
like rappish, and then I feel like with this tape
it feels more.
Speaker 5 (26:23):
In your bag.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
You think, so, oh, thank god you said that.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
Thank god I said that. That's what you're going for.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, man, I wanted to be in my back with
this one.
Speaker 5 (26:31):
In't it okay?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
You know?
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I mean like I feel like I wanted to just
show like I can do more in it. You know
what I'm saying. I don't really feel like I like
to be boxed in, and that's scary as an artist
being boxed in, you know what I'm saying, Where people
just want to hear the jiggy ship, you know what
I mean? So yeah, man, I definitely wanted to kind
of show that me in my back rather than just
(26:54):
he's in this type of bag he's in.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
He's in his back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Okay, and these are just the epeas. When we get
the album, I'm like, yeah, yeah, what is that going
to give?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
What did?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Do you have a plan for that already? Are you
like slowly building.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
That or I don't know?
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Man, I feel like again because the music actually has
to come from me in it, Man, that's to grow myself.
Do you understand that I actually have to talk about me?
Like what do I want to talk about? What I've
gone through? So it's a lot of conversation with that family,
It's a lot of conversation with new friends. It's a
lot of building back relationships that may have been lost
(27:32):
in it, you know what I'm saying. Whether it's about
love or whether it's where it's to do, I don't know,
just your life in it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
So I don't even know what it's going to sound like.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
I know I want to speak about to an extent,
but you know, that's like like one topic out of twelve.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 5 (27:46):
So, yeah, understood.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
On the show, we play a game called Questions that
need Answers. All you have to do is fell in
the blank.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Oh it hit me.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
The older I get, the less I.
Speaker 4 (27:59):
Shit, man, The older I get, the older I get,
the less I stress.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Good is it?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
You would never believe me if I told.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
You, you would never believe me?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
What about myself? You would never believe me if I
told you Jesus Christ. I don't even know if you
would never believe me if I told you.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Watch anime?
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, what's your favorite?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
Attack on Titland?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
I never seen it?
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:34):
You know you don't watch the anime? Do you know?
Watch an attack on Titan?
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Then attack on Titan? I love attack on Titan. You Hockyshoe?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (28:48):
Yeah? Yeah? What Demon Slayer? I haven't seen the last
season yet.
Speaker 4 (28:51):
But what Solo leveling? Solo leveling? Never heard of it?
Solo leveling?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
He said it?
Speaker 4 (28:59):
You know, I mean, just just in case, it's you know,
solo living and yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
No, but okay, I love that. Sometimes I look back
at my life and.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Cry, what.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
No, that's okay, it's the same space.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
But yeah, but sometimes you know, cryd happiness job, cry
sad crowd of what I'm saying, life is beautiful with.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
It When the last time you cried?
Speaker 3 (29:23):
Come on, man, what you just said?
Speaker 5 (29:27):
It's beautiful that you ship.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
It was the last time I cried or my coping. Yeah,
in my January. Yeah, man, I just did my headline show.
I was like, man, just spare people here and oh
my god. And they enjoyed it as well. And if
they don't flop, Yeah, so I have to bust one.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Yeah, shout out to you for that. Congress.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
Jay Z is greatest rapper alive. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Ten years from now, I want my legacy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
To be Ten years from now, I want my legacy
to be cemented.
Speaker 4 (30:03):
Yeah that makes sense, sure that guy? Yeah, yeah, like
he that is that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Yeah, man, you are well on your way.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Hey, So I can't do man, tryed in it.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
So I can't do you man, Blank is one movie
I can watch with the sound off.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Oh if I.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Say this, man, but I want to you know Eternals man,
sorry Eternals Marvel Yeah man, yeah, I wasn't feeling that
one still. Yeah, but yeah. I wasn't feeling that one,
but you're not. Yeah wait you say with this sound off?
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Yeah, but as in like you know it because you
love it.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Oh like you've got a blur up because I'm dissing eternals.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Man, you got a blur can't say shy turtles? There
was a cold.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Cold many shy cold is I see on Double M
on Double M's Coldest?
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Damn?
Speaker 4 (31:04):
Well, what's what Maybe I could watch you with this
sound off? I'm probably Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Man Deadpool Yeah bro, oh my god.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
That's some childish shipping it.
Speaker 2 (31:13):
But hell, I hate that. Maybe it's just really for
the boys. I guess that's what I because I was
not laughing.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah, but he was.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Well, you know, you're a bit older than me in it,
so maybe at the time. No, not like that, not that,
not like that.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Disrespectful away from Nigeria.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Man.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
I'm just saying you might have been a bit more
mature than me in it.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
It's just not my sense of humor style to this day,
to this.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Day, So what's the movie that you'd watch and actually
laugh at and.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Actually laugh at you know what? Movies are not me thing.
Let me just say the hardest lesson I learned about
fame is.
Speaker 4 (32:06):
Oh damn, the hardest lesson I learned about fame is
that it can make you anxious. You all it can.
It can make you anxious. But I don't think I'm
famous yet in it. But even the journey, it can
make you anxious in it.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Okay, how are you dealing with that?
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Uh? Gee, that's a good question. In it, I'm still
figuring that.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
My brother, Jesus, I smoke a lot yet, yes, smoked
that to the face.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Really trying to brand this. I got to commend you
don't smoke.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Don't smoke. It's bat.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Outside of wrapping blank is my favorite hobby.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Damn, What have I been doing? Making music? Man? Making
music is still my hobby, you know, side of it.
That's what I do. I love it.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
By the end of twenty twenty five, I hope too.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Ah damn.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
What do I hope to do by the end of
twenty twenty five? I just hope to have a good year, man.
Speaker 3 (33:16):
Yeah. I hope to look back and say, yeah, good year.
Hope to be proud. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Well does a good year look like for you?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
I don't know, man, We'll find out.
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Man, come on, let's manifest.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe you know, having a
successful tour what else? Man? You know, people loving the project.
Speaker 5 (33:37):
Hopefully you already get that.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Yeah, but you know you still want it a bit more,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
Yeah, like maybe everyone that hears the project they love it.
And yeah, man, just keeping inspired to create more music.
So yeah, man, I think that's a good year, just
keeping inspired and shit, yeah I.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Make I make your memories in it, you know what
I mean?
Speaker 4 (33:58):
Yes, that sounds so like like, yo, just make your memories.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
What is the saying is it's about the process.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Yeah, man, just hope. I just I'm just enjoying the process,
which I y'am in it, you get me. Actually, I'm
enjoying the process.
Speaker 3 (34:14):
You know.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
It's better than being in the ends doing nothing in it.
So you know, I've created a way to see more experiences,
so I can't complain in it.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Good.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Well, I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
I'm looking forward to seeing the feedback for the new
tape and of course when the album drops, I'll be excited.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Shout out to your Graham. Let everybody know where they
can follow nip on who platforms. Yeah, guys, time.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
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