In this candid interview, Atlanta rapper Marco Plus discusses his new project "Marco Plus vs. the Underworld," revealing his journey from technical rapper to intentional songwriter. He opens up about mental health struggles, the pressures of the music industry, and his experiences growing up in Atlanta's underground scene. Marco Plus shares his ambitious goal of becoming the greatest rapper of the 2020s, discusses the importance of vulnerability in his music, and reflects on relationships, spirituality, and the challenges of breaking through in today's competitive landscape. The conversation also touches on his collaborations with artists like Smino and JID, upcoming tour plans, and his perspective on what separates good rappers from great artists. Tune in and comment in the socials below.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to we need to talk with production of the
Black Effect Podcast Network.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
And you're.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I'm to get down with you as your boys know
what's up now and we need to do talk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Your girl money long? Hey you know not you need
to talk my girl?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
What's we need to time? What's going on? Guys now?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's won here with another episode that we need to talk.
And today I got a very special guest in the building.
We got Marco Plus here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Hey, what's popping? We're going on man project? Good Drop?
I got you today, your project drop.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, it's awesome, feels good. I'm so happy to put
your shit out good. No, cap Yeah, it's been a
long time.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, understandable.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Let's start with well, actually, before I dive into your project,
let's just do a backstory for those who aren't famiailiar
with who Marco Plus is?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Who is Marco Plus? Where are you from? And what's
his wife?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm from Atlanta, Georgia, Southside College Park, twenty seven years old,
and honestly, I feel like I've been the greatest for
a long time, but I feel like I'm just now
becoming like a great songmaker. Yeah, so I'm really just
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trying to. I want to be one of the best.
I feel like everybody says that, but I feel like
only a few of us really got it in us
to become that, and I feel like that's just that's
where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You definitely make that clear on the project. Yeah, you
definitely make that clear, and I want to touch on that.
But I guess what is driving that I want to
be the best because you said you feel like you've
been the best for a long time, but for a
lot of people, this is the.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
First time hearing you. Yeah, honestly, and you don't got
to lean in. It's gonna pick up, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Honestly, it's like the legacy thing, you know what I mean.
It's it's kind of deeper than just being a great
rapper or even one of the best rappers. I mean,
I'm trying to be one of the biggest artists I
could be. And that's why I really try to take
a step forward every time I make a project. I
feel like I'm getting better at just like building the
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world and really putting down the hook I want to make.
But now like the catchy thing rather than oh, what's
the best.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Punchline or metaphor similar that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I could say, maybe try to get my point across
the right way, trying to be very intentional with how
I come across music.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I love that because I do feel like a lot
of rappers are just rap rapping.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a bunch of like Okay, yeah, that's impressive, but
like I'm never gonna hit replay again.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Exactly yeah, exactly, yeah, I don't. I ain't gonna lie
it's it's it's a cycle right now. But I understand
it because the ecosystem we in. Everybody feel like they
got to do that. But I feel like, if.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You can rap, you can rap.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Just try to put that ship in the song for
him better, try to. I feel like everybody has it
in them that just it'd be something blocking them. They'll
probably think it's corny to do yeah, or like yeah,
a lot of mother uss think making songs as whack.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, you gotta put a pose in that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Ego, Yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You know what you could know it about yourself. But
I could do this better.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I could.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If you gotta pause in bruh, it's certain ship that's
on this album that I wouldn't have made.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Okay, Like what like falling. Oh that's the one I love.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's my favorite song on the project right now too.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Okay, I thought you were going to stay taking it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But like putting it out not see, I ain't gonna
lie everybody. That's that's why I love hell Yah.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I was like, oh, this is not what I was expecting.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
At Nigga like who raped? Well, Like I be feeling
like people forget that. I like, I'm from where I'm from,
Like I could do all that shit like effortlessly, but
it's so it's creating with intention, you know what I'm saying.
I know this where I shine at and I feel like,
hell yo, was what's the best way for me to
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shine in that format? And then not not force feeding
it to people because a lot of motherfuckers like back
to the song making thing, it's a thin line between
your songmaking and making it sound like you're trying to
make something or trying to cross over or something.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
The sound is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Honestly in you most of the time. You don't got
to force the sound. That's why I was like, hell
yeah is enough? Buggers know what's know? I'm coming with her?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah yeah, because honestly, because what is it like fourth
and third, yeah, I was like, my ear just wasn't
prepared exactly. I think my ear wasn't prepared so that
I have to run it back Like hmm. First I'm
like I don't know. Then I'm like.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, yeah, okay, like yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If it's one of those, I gotta throw people off
a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I didn't want to keep throwing motherfuckers off trying to
appease to a certain crowd that ain't ready for what
I have to do in that lane yet, you know
what I mean. Okay, but trust me, it's coming soon.
I'm gonna take over the planet.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And that shits well done. Good seating.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Then why Marco plus versus the underworld? Like who or
what is the underworld?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
The underworld is everything. The underworld is the issues.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That I go through, like dealing with dealing being a
rapper in the underground, being being a young man growing
up in Atlanta, how I grew up, just the pitfalls
that come with that, trying to.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Navigate, you know, doing all the bad ship.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Stand alive and he'll punish sometimes not stand alive, all
that stuff, relationship issues, that ship can be the underworld
like you know, the underworld is really hell. So a
lot of these situations can feel like your personal hell.
And that's kind of what it is, like Marco plus
versus his own demons and things like that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I like that, And then I just want to touch
on the cover art. Who who made it?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Gallery Province.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He does like a lot of the Underground Guys covers,
like he used to do dreco Ship a lot of
Dreko the Ruler. He does these covers, does a lot
of people.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Who is this in the picture with you? I like
the a hat.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's all just me.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh, it's three versions of you. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Because I get yeah, I'm gonna just die, I guess
because that's like the skit suggests me talking to myself,
like like yeahs oh so that's.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Your conscious because you know, we definitely got to get
into the.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah exactly, okay, exactly, it's my conscience.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That's okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, But like it's really both Like I would love
for people to see it both ways, Like, yeah, it's
like a night you ride around with yours, but it's
also just a night where you're just thinking and like
because that's how you really think sometimes like it would
just be a lot of shit going on, maybe not
as conversation as that. If it is that conversation, then
maybe you gotta talk to somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But yeah, like after I think it's falling, I listened
to following them.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
No, I was like my first the first time I.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Listened, I said, you need to get out of this relationship,
like this ship is bad, Like.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Man, hey, just like be telling people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But then but then when I listen back to it,
I'm like, I like the vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I feel like that song is a culmination of it's
like relationship problems. Like I'm one of them artists where
I'm kind of blessed to not have to go through
something immediately or initial like like off the bat, it
could been like something that happened years prior things that
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I'm going through and think like just shit like that,
and it paints the perfect picture. I feel like more
artists have to start taking inspiration from that and stop
waiting for it to hit them because that might be
kind of unhealthy. Yeah, niggas be trying to create like
hell for them to write.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I'm like, nah, yeah, I'm not signing enough for that.
For those who are listening, we're talking about venting too.
Plus I can't feel my face. It's like one of
the last songs on the project, but there's a few
lines on there that I was like, damn, we got
to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I like when you said if I ain't in the
midst of the ground, I feel like I ain't enough.
I think that's relatable for so many of us, like
in the creative space.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But do you still feel like that or did you
just feel like that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I feel like that every day.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, when I ain't working or.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Even when it seemed like I'm working hard, I could
have been like going crazy, but I'm gonna just be
like keep going because how.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Many motherfuckers drop a song to day?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Like what was the stat like sixty five thousand rappers
drop a fucking song on streaming? Yeah, come on, bro,
that's every day. Somebody is somebody could take the spot
that I'm trying to get. Yeah, So, like it does,
don't be feel like enough.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Sometimes it's unfair to you. I will say that, but
I relate and I get the logic because like it
just time moves so fast.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. You don't really realize how fast it
moves like it. To be honest, it don't seem like
it was no time ago when I started this project.
I started in October. But it's like so much has
happened since October, like Kendrick has dropped Drake and Party
or his drug pushing to.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
His dropped Alchemists doing yeah man.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And it's like so many younger acts have came out
of nowhere. The Angelo ball had found a career in
the midst of those.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Man in a few and a few come on, dude, painful.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's crazy painful to me.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now, I ain't gonna lie, man, shout the shout to
all the hoopers who hoop dreams can't go the right way,
and then they go rap.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's the toughest shit ever inspiring. That's inspiring as fun.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, but the song came and went be for real.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I might swerve and on this question, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No, just keep it buck. It's like it's just I
feel like I feel like he.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Gotta get the right team around him so that he
doesn't one stack his vocals because I hate how he
stacks his vocals, because I feel like he says can
be so hard if he just like if that shit
didn't sound.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Like it was made like breathing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Exactly, sounds like it's made on like mixed craft or
some ship like he rabbed like an.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Old nigga, but like a young old nigga from like
New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah exactly, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Also on venting another line, you say, well, actually, I
don't know why I didn't write the full the full bar,
but it ends with I feel like driving off sometimes
I feel like driving off the road.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, this should dripping out. This should have tripped and uh,
what the fuck did I say? This should have tripped
and thought and.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
About to make me look it up? Hold on, let
me see.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Hey that's how hard I damn, I really want to
forgive because yeah, this ship is tripping thought about driving
out the road? Dog?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, like wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, that's that's really layered. I don't know how deep
you want to go into that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it's whatever. It's like, it's like, bruh, this is stressful.
Don't nobody really understand how stressful.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Just not even being a fucking artist, but like being
an entrepreneur and trying to work for self and not
trying to be like in the middle of the pack.
You're trying to be at the top of what the
fuck you do for years to come, and sometimes you
feel like it's just taking forever.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
She can drive you crazy, can try you insane, Like
I know what to do, and granted I've grown, so
I'm getting better with dealing with those certain aspects. And
also it's looking up, so like you know what I'm saying,
we're doing We're doing good. I want everybody who listened
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to that project, though, to if you like, like talk
to a motherfucker, whether it be your people, uh, a therapist,
like talk to.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Somebody about he said, somebody, Oh god, somebody, because.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You never know, like who's willing to actually listen to you,
who actually care that much but they're too scared to
bring it up.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That's true. That's true. I guess I might work a
little backwards on this tape. Well, I don't know, because
we kind of dabbled into a few record but yeah,
let's just.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Go like kill Bill, You're not kill It was like
it was just everything exactly the sequences.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's how we do on the POT today, guys. Sorry,
let's get into hood news. At first. I'm like ain't
no way this shit really happening, this story from atl school.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
No, I'm just uh, I just I'm just the reporter
of my circumstances and everybody's circumstances around where I grew
up at. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
a lot of these things they might not be super
native like to what the like to everybody's life, but
(14:03):
it goes on, especially where I'm from, like all that
type of ships and killing parties.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Uh, the police officers, that one was triggered by.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
That's death happening. What that's death happening in the city
on God it is. We ain't gonna talk about it,
but that's definitely happening. No, they're giving it up, so
they all gotta go to jail.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I swear to God, that's gonna split the eighth. I
ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's crazy, sheesh. I feel like Atlanta, I'm not gonna lie,
is given Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Wow West, It's so funny, right because Atlanta is still
this place that's like like it just looked like Metropolis.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The ship.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Country is fucked though, like everybody country is hell, it's
just the South.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, I love Atlanta, But it's crazy. The ship that's normal,
it's silly. It's weird, it's different. Let me not say weird.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
It's just it's weird here.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't want I don't want to. It's salt.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know. People's man, they know what's going on in
the A. We all love it. But that shit is
the weirdest place on the planet.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's a lot going on. Okay, Sage Mode is crazy,
thank you. Talk to me. Why the name stage mode
for that record?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
In particular because I had just bought some sage and
I was burning that motherfucker in the house of the
windows open and shit, Okay, trying to make sure you
know everything is like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, Okay, setting the tone.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, I'm just trying to, like I said, Sage mold
like I'm Jaria, just trying to cleanse my soul.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't even watch anime that much.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
See that's what I thought it was. I'm like, okay,
it's the anime.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Riat is a character on okay, exactly, and I just
know that he has the sage powers. I'm not really
a super gigantic fan of anime, but that's one thing
I remember from my years of like elementary middle school
like that watching alo.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
There's a bunch of lines I actually pulled out of
this record. I want to start with your conversation with
yourself about religion and spirituality. They said I lost my
faith as a teen. But I'm still not sure what
atheist means.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And I do think our generation considered ourselves more spiritual
than religious.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But you know, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I just I was watching Your Family Guy last night
and Peter asked, God, how do you feel about atheists?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And he said they're good.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
He said, how do you feel about people who say
they're more spiritual than they are religious?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
He said, yeah, they're going to hell. They're going like
to the bottle bar. I was like, no, that's just
so crazy shit.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
All right, well, like what so where are you at it?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm gonna keep it a buck every it's like a
super search. Yeah, I don't know what the hell is
going on. And I feel like I also feel bad,
like I'm programmed to feel bad for telling like if
I pick anyone, I'm telling everybody else that they shit wrong,
and they going to the nether part of where they
(17:12):
like when after they die, and that sucks, you know
what I'm saying, Like, nah, bro, Like it's it's just
impossible for what I grew up on to fully be
the right one.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I'm not blaming it, and I don't don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I don't blame anybody for choosing a religion because I
understand what faith does and how it helps people. Sure,
Like that's that's one of the most powerful things ever.
It's just my I'm hard at it. My mind doesn't
really like I can't help but think but why, you
know what I'm saying, a lot of people just can't
help but think why.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I don't know. I feel like I'm getting better
at it.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I feel like, like, of course, everybody feels like there
is a higher power and there is a God and
things like that, but I don't know who the hell
that nigga is just to be honest, like, it could
be anybody. It could be a woman, it could be
a goat, it could be a snake, it could be
a tree. Yeah, it could be anything. Like it's just energy,
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and I feel like I feel like the universe got me.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I feel that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I definitely feel like I feel like labels in
general ruin the world. So whether you're Christian, Muslim, whatever
the case may be. So I did thoroughly enjoy hearing
that perspective on the tape.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
But also I like where you talk about like try
to find your purpose, people not seeing past the surface.
So explain to me, like what that bar meant that.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Think I'm a rapidly rap ass nigga, And well, that's
part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But also that and people think just because.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You're an artist and you got some level of knowledgement,
cloud notoriety, that you're just like doing well, but honestly
and not like this honestly has nothing to do with
monetary gain or mental I mean or not monetary but
mental like mental anguish and all that shit, because it's
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just so much, like it's so much fear and doubt
that goes into creating that people don't really understand. It's
so much it's so many things that can go awry
as you're trying to plan it. It's like you could
drop a whole project and it falls on deaf ears.
You feel like, yes, people who love it, and I'm like,
we're always forever grateful for those people because without those
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people we were not like there.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Wouldn't be like nobody to help push it. But like like.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
When you really want to be the biggest and the greatest,
sometimes it can be uh, it can be very very
hell very much hell on the brain, you.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, like people just people just see it. It's like, oh, yeah,
you're doing your ship.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I know, the thing you've always been doing. You just
gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, No support really matters.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what these
interviews were. So you know, it's like deeper, just like uhh.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, deeper than the vanity metrics for sure. All my Mama,
Tough Tough tune. Now you started, you started the song
with critic and I'm like, oh god, you know, I
don't know, some people be saying critics.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So I feel like everybody's a fucking.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Critic, like half in it half but it's like I'm
a fucking critic.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I was really just saying everybody at the end of
the day, like because think about it, we're all fucking critics.
I really just meant like like like fuck the mindset
of being a critic to to what I got going
on because I'm so cold that if you don't like it,
you just don't fucking understand it. Okay, that's honestly how
I feel. That's that's really how I feel. It wasn't
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like this rapper talk. I be feeling like, Yo, you
just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You also talk about people saying that you're underrated. Do
you really feel underrated?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I fucking hate that term.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, I hate it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Understandable, I do feel like I'm underrated, though, I feel
under appreciated, and I be feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Like the world is based off Dickie.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's literally why niggas be underrated, because it'd be motherfuckers
that be that that and they probably and they don't
even be their fault, like it don't even be they fault,
and they probably not even the dickie the dick eaters,
but they're.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like, uh, people are fickle, listeners are fickle. Everybody is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So it really takes like one motherfucker to like have
a bunch of motherfuckers to checking it out. Like if
Sabrina Carporter posted, let's say Chris Patrick tomorrow, he has
a billionaires on them, and they're not gonna stop being
on them but sometimes, like you know what I'm saying,
(22:24):
it could just be difficult, like for motherfuckers to to
get what they just do when they deserve it, Like
it's just such a great fucking artist.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But like that, just that shit just goes for anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That can go for me, That can go from a
man's sabe, that can go from a man's ruping vincit,
that can go for everybody. Like all it takes is
a fucking shout out and everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Start dick eating.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But I don't know, man, we can fly under the
radar and it sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That being said, though, what do you think it is
gonna take you? You do think it's the shout outs?
Or do you think it's gonna have to be like
a I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Say, like a revolt, but I do feel like just
for like as far as like the classes in rap,
you know, obviously big three conversation, We've been having that forever,
and then you got like this Smino's the Sabas. Oh
we got to talk about Seno, but this Smino's the Sabas,
the jids in them, and then you know it's like
the new class right now.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But a lot of people would be like, you know,
I was having this conversation, I was actually sharing your music,
and then they was like, yo, this dude is dope,
Like I don't understand why none of the bigger artists
like get on with him. And I'm like, actually, no,
Smino did, like and that was that was a big moment,
and They're like, yeah, but Smino's really not that big now.
I was like, ah, okay, I see what they mean
(23:43):
in comparison to Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Cole, but in essence, I ain't gonna lie. Nigga Holmes
just changed my life.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Dude, Yeah, no, Smino. Smino is big, but you know,
Smino is.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Big for non traditional like and that's why I was like,
we gotta I guess big.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Just looks different these days.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So a certain era of fans think that big means radio.
You know, jay Z signing you this, that, and the
third where there's another demo that's like, oh no, it's
these niggas that were doing it on their own.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You see how you said both of those things.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And I feel like I'm coming in the middle of
the pack of that, and it's so weird because I
don't feel like we gotta revolt nothing, you know what
I'm saying. I feel like everything goes how it goes
because that's how it's supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Certain people have to take the proper steps to become
what the hell they want to be because I ain't
gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Niggas be Like, if I keep going the way I
want to go, motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Probably won't even remember that I'm the type of artist
I am because I'm trying to one of the biggest.
And that's not me saying like I'm gonna switch up
fully or nothing like that. But shit could shift, like
because music, like I'm a fan of music. Yeah, like
(25:10):
like music is deeper than sixty four bars, you know
what I'm saying, Like I like making sounds. I feel
like it just takes cutting through. It just tastes cutting
through like I I don't and I don't particularly particularly
agree with this smino.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They know people that whoever youre talking to saying because
I because I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's just like.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think about it, like of course, like, yeah, there's
bigger artists, but this nigga, I don't know. Bro, It's
so weird, like he has every type of supporter, he
has every type of supporder. He's everywhere, like everybody's a
fan of Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Man, I'm a huge fan, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I feel like I feel like I feel like there's
like I feel like the one thing that's separating him
from like a lot of motherfuckers is just that one,
the one artist you know, out of the out of
the because it's really a big two who you get
(26:26):
a stimulus package from either Drake or Kendrick. That's where
the that's the real. Like, I ain't gonna lie like
all that big three ship sound cool, but that ship
ain't real.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Bro, No, no, no, let's not do this.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Number three is interchangeable and I love Jacob great.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This is I don't I don't want to debating the interview.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I don't want to do debating on the interview. But
I can't let you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Get off with that one of the greatest rappers of all time?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Are you removing him because of the beef hair?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Did you always damn about that beef?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But a lot of people have been like, nah, it's
all invalidated.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I don't care about that beef. You know why? Because
he was damned if he did it, damned if he didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Did the fuck ass people was already trying to ship
on him when he dropped it, he took it back,
people was shitting on him. If he didn't drop people
was shitting on him. I don't give a fuck about
none of that. But him being a casualty in such
a situation kind of proves that there's two everybody else. Like,
(27:43):
It's like it's like watching Goku and Freezer. If you've
ever seen Dragon ball Z back then, Man, it's like
Goku and fucking Freezer.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Like, yeah, vegeta over there. But I ain't gonna lie.
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Not even his power, but the power around him, meaning
the fans, the supporters, the money, all of these things,
the the codes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That they live by.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Like sometimes that shit is unmatched, dead ass, Like it
just be a different level. So no matter how how
great cold artistry is or how I feel about him,
artists wise, biggest versus best is a total different thing,
you know what I mean? So with that being said,
(28:33):
man they need to give both of them. Niggas need
to gives me no a fucking feature because he can
easily be a fifty million monthly listener artists like all
the time. Yeah, that's just because you hear his music,
like his music transcends like just rap, he would like,
(28:54):
he's like you, No, he really has a genre worthy artist.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, it's a genre of its own, it is.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I agree, Yeah, melodic jazzy but rapped at the same time.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way about a lot
of artists like Jied, Like, yeah, Jed is freaking gigantic,
But imagine if this nigga see.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
And just in that class with Jed is also tied.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
He's not necessarily like as indie as the others that
we were name he's.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So major, that nigga that major, I'll be realizing he
got crazy, motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, like dude, Yeah, but even then he's still not
or maybe he.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Is because he's a regular guy.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Is it that?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Or is it or is it just because we're in
it that we just can't like regular guy?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Like I ain't gonna lie, but he definitely is.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is is known as the metrics.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Say, I mean shop you're doing records with Eminem, I
mean like, yeah, he crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Bro. Jed is such an odd guy because he's like
he's like basically you could say the first of his
era and his styling to make it thus far, you
know what I mean, Like he was the first. I
(30:17):
don't know who who was after or before that, Like
it will probably be Smeno probably the.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Same time, same time, different from so they both came.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Out around like twenty seventeen, twenty before that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, I mean, of course, but like Jid first,
like Greenville like never Story came out like that March
twenty seventeen. I know Smeno was heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy
heavy on Twitter at the time, so wow, exactly, so
it was around like all that that same era Isaiah
Shade came out twenty thirteen. But I still feel like
that's kind of like the same era, after the after,
(30:51):
after Kendrick, after Drake era, all that stuff. I feel
like it's those three, you know what I'm saying. Like,
but it just seems like Ji has just took off
so freaking massively.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Because of the I don't even want to say because
of Cole. I just think it's because.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Of well actually yeah, but not not because of Cold directly.
I'm just saying because of Cole in a sense of
like being tied to a major Yeah, that's having interscope.
It's not because of J Coles, like J Cole's Colt
science did it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, he definitely made He definitely just made the most
of us all of the situation because I ain't gonna
lie that nigga real dead that is one of the
best raptors of a generation is crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Bro, He's crazy. It's not a lot of people that's
that's uh, that's doing it like that either. That's another
reason why it's so like amazing to see like like.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Him have such a such a magnetic fan base to
everything that he does because he's more on the heavier
side of this whole rap thing that we do.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, I'm happy about it.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I said during the pandemic, like, all right, Jeddensmino are
my favorite two out of the new class?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Am I missing somebody?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You mean this class wise?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or who's just the best of that class wise and
who's actually like it's actually made it close to like
the pinnacle?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Mmm?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I think it's you know, yeah, and then everybody else
I'm a fan of too, But I.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Think my mind is so blank.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You want to do top two? You want to take Cole?
Ain't no Big three? If you want to say top two.
That's who I thought. You're like.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It's a big five.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Din me hear this five real quick.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Kendrick Drake, Cole Future, Travis Scott, Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
My, oh my, no not Travis.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, if you want to do an interchangeable five, then
make the fifth one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Can't make the fifth one?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So crazy told me? You know who?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
What was that? What was said?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Exactly what you just said.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's like I love I love a too, but you
gotta look at you know, you're talking about raps and
that's what I'm saying. We can't be like, who is
the fucking coldest while got was the coldest.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Pins ever forever Aimer. If you put him on that list,
then you gotta put Bowdie James on that list. And
you gotta put West Side Gone on that list.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, no, no, no no, because now you now you're
confusing errors and ship.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
We are about.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And then okay, fine.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Bro His Further Alchemist album came out in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Now you're about to piss me off because it's supposed
to be an interview.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's not supposed to be debate style.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But you got like, okay, I feel like I feel
like Travis Tyler.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Oh forgot Tyler, But look, I.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Feel like Travis Tyler and I don't really know who
else to put in that. I with them in a
class slightly after, slightly after Big.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Three, Tyler up there with them. You know no what no?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Because no, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Keep the buck. I'm keeping a buck. Tyler up there
with Kendrick Colin Drake because this nigga.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Don't know why you want to stay?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Because I forgot this nigga existed. Bro, this nigga came
out two thousand and eight. I feel like this nigga
had a whole world like.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
This nigga, Like, but were you always? Were you always
a part of the conversation?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Did you ever?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
She is still one of his biggest records, and now
he's just not hitting his pinnacle mainstream?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Why did you? Did you wear Supreme? And why did
you wear it?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Not because of Tyler?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
You know no wrong? I love I love golf Way,
I like Tyler, I liked.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And then he finally getting to the point where his
numbers match.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
A lot of people have to a lot of people forget.
I don't care what nobody says. Your numbers have to match.
Your numbers have to match what this ship you popp
you know, if you if you're gonna pop that type
of shit, your numbers have to match, like if you're
gonna say you're the greatest anything.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Like, the numbers don't even be real.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Half time though different.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I feel like the numbers don't be real.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Half that is, I heard niggas be buying shit and lying.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
It don't make.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
No sense to me because some some songs I'll see
are like number one or like, yo, this is the
hottest record out based off numbers, and then I go
play it. Don't nobody know your shit, don't nobody move
to your ship. And then there's other records that I
play that are like, you know, just a song that
you know.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I bumped this. Let me see if people like it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Everybody knows where different that nigga can do an arena?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Wait, who oh, Tyler, I'm not even talking about this
Thailand particular. I'm just I'm just saying in general, i'd
be thinking these numbers are hello fabricate, Hello fabricated, And
I don't really know what that's about.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Hey, that's scary as fun.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You're like I'm the person who asks why I think
and you were like a lot of people are like this.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
A lot of people are not like that.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So I feel like when it comes to it, you
have to think, like why is it that this song
works in the club but it's not getting no love?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But then the ship that is getting like love? Or
when I say love, I just mean noise.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The songs that I get annoyed, it's just it's smoking
fucking mirrors. Yeah, So I don't know, but I think
Tyler and them are in a different class.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I think it's Drake Kendrick Cole. Then I think, hey, hi.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It's Tyler Travis or maybe they're in different classes based
off of when they hit pinnacles.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, when they hit that, when they hit that prime,
I feel you because Tyler hit his prime later than
all of them, but he started.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Well Travis, this is true.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Nah, Trav hit it like well.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I guess he had two.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He had two, yeah, because because rodeo.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
When it is but the intro don't count, Like the
intro is the intro, that's why you're there, Like, yeah,
your your intro is the no because.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That wasn't really the intro. It wasn't days before.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Days before Rodeo is not the intro.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, days before I thought about Rodeo, but also black
al farroh. But people ain't give a fuck about al
Faroh yeah, I fuck with nigga, give a fuck about that.
But yeah, yeah yeah, days before Rodeo is definitely to
jump off. But I feel like Rodeo is the one.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
What pinnacle is astro world?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Nah, musical pinnacle or well or height?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Hype Yeah, yeah, that's definitely its hype pinnacle. My bad,
I'm conflating two things.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So it's a lot going on. It's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's why we need charts. We need charts and we
need my phone keep vibrations. Are not even saying we
need all the charts. Every stat needs to equal the
same thing, like we can't rate one thing more than
the other because because when it comes down to these
types of conversations, every aspect matters. Replay value, sales, concerts, nigga,
(37:51):
lyrical ability, delivery, song structure.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Shut up, hey man, that album just drop phone ringing,
I stee.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You wow Hey Sparkle plus versus Underworld all right, but yeah, uh,
lyrical ability, subject matter, technical ability, how well you put
together rhyme, schemes, all of that stuff. It has to
be rated on, like on an even playing field. If
(38:21):
you want to talk about the greatest, if you want
to talk about the best, yeah, you can leave all.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
The sales and shut out.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You can even leave replay replay value out because we're
talking about who the best rapper is, but the greatest,
like especially when it comes down to come down to
that big three, those are things that we got to
put into perspective because that should take a lot of
work for like Man Tyler fan base is so fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Cole fan base. It's
fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That ain't nothing you can just brush aside, because it's
the reason why, you know what I'm saying, It's a
reason why it touches people that way, for people to
become stands like that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
And I'm trying to figure out what it is because
though I am, like, I have my own mind, I
might not like all your records, but I'm still like
a diehard and I'm like, how the fuck.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Did I become like this?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yeah, you see me? You like make to him, like,
wait a minute, detour detour.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't like Hey, I ain't mean it like that,
matter of fact, lead that out. I love Cold.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, this is a good productive conversation. You said you
love Wila, you love Cold.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, but it's just like, but I hear what you're.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Saying in regards to best lyricists versus.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Best versus greatest, like just like greatest rap hits. Yeah,
because being a rap.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Act it's different.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, like Travis Scott is there, but we're not putting
a nigga in the mother conversations like not a lick.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So for you because you said this, I mean you
said this in an interview talking about your legacy, but
also on the.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Project, you said you're trying to be the greatest ever period?
Is it? Are you playing both games? Are you winning
in more towards one than the other.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I feel like I'm a psychopath and niggas ain't fucking
with me Scorpio.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, psycho path for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I feel like niggas ain't. I feel like niggas and
even seen.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What I like what what this is like from nobody
except probably Kendrick and Drake and Cole. But it's kind
of different because I'm from Atlanta. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't coming up to New York until I was
like twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Four Atlanta, Hell exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So its just like.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm trying to not even trying. I'm going to be
the biggest out of this whole thing right now, of
my peers. That's just how I feel. I don't think
nobody fucking with me on a musical level period, making
the songs, making a hook picking production. We just need
(41:02):
that motherfucking budget.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Rock Nation. We just need we need that a billion dollars,
that push that pushed that motherfucker to the to the
Scott I felt that.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Okay, I actually skipped which one? Did I skip on? Accident?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Sorry? My notes are all over the place.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
It's the Oh it's funny when it's not your whole ah. Yeah,
is this is this inspired by real life?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Everybody has went through a situation like that, but probably
not in the car.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay, probably not like what the pattern is all around, right,
But yeah, niggas ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You know what the fuck going on? Every girl has
went through a situation like that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You know what Nigga doing some shit, He's not supposed
to be doing and you call him and he any
we beat and then probably takes you like I'm doing
something or what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Come on, man, everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Don't been through that ship and it's be funny as
hell when it's not your whole right, you'd be.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like, ah, they can go out bad, going out bad. Ye, yeah,
but you're not eating. You're not eating like crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Now that I have more contact that you're a scorpio.
What what is that crashing out looks like for you?
Because that's a that's a's to crash out.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
What is it looking at?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Oh man, you're about to just crash out.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I ain't just crashed out, but over keep it the buck. Man.
It's like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I'll be trying to talk about it too much. I'll
be like trying to talk through the issue. I'll be
realizing that's a problem. Like but just like, let the
situation calm down. Trying to talk it out. That ship
that hit, So play it out you want to, you.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Want to talk it out in the heat of it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
No, nigga, give me twenty four hours maybe four that
you know, give me give me a second to that
just with the hell because I can't even well, let
me not even speak for myself, but I feel like
for a lot of people, if I'm already in my emotions,
you gotta give me time to process my emotions so
I can think clearly about Yeah, that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yes, nigga like me, so goddamn.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
So I'll be trying to talk and I don't be realizing, like, wait,
I don't even want to talk.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I'm screaming, not you, just saying shit.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I'm trying to kill the I'm trying to kill the tension.
I want everything to be because that's that be me.
I want everything to be all love back again. Right, So,
like I don't be realizing, like, bro, maybe I shouldn't talk.
Maybe I am irritated as hell. Maybe I should stop talking.
Maybe I feel better in like five hours.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Okay, now that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Niggas talk too much. Niggas need to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Agreed. Retweet tweet that ship. But all right, I'm just curious,
just because of the song. How many times do they
do you smoke?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Bro? I smoke all I wake up, look, I wake up.
I roll?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Okay, I roll what I roll?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I rolled that that that that pack up.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Oh God, and you niggas ain't smoking with me, Like
if y'all really want to get into it, oh, here
we go. We want to take this ship into like
a fucking a room with no windows. Niggas, you would
not be able to smoke with me falling asleep, breathing, weird.
I'm all types of ship. I'm talking to y'all no cap,
(44:45):
but yeah, I smoke all day. I can't even tell
you how many times, Like I I say.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Like I rolled up, probably like the minimum is the
minimum is five, the median is around seven, and the
highest is like probably like eleven.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, that is crazy exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Like the like the little ones or the skinny ones
or like various.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Be honest, it really just depends on how the hell
I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, all right, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
If they're bigger than it, Wo'll probably be like five
or five or six. But if they like regular size,
probably be like seven eight. If I'm rolling skinny that day,
like I'll be rolling skinny when I'm out of New
York because it's just like the vibe niggas roll skinny
out here.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Okay, I probably roll like I end up rolling the life.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I'm just in the house like okay, yeah, I was wondering,
Like okay, no, Cap in his wrap smoking all day
is true.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I got joined right right now?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Are you serious? Let me see. It's like show the Class,
Show the Class. Oh no, he's really committed to this.
Yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
On the show, we play a game called Questions that
need answer is all you gotta do is fill in
the blank?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Okay, all, Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
The older I get, the less I care, of course,
of course.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Sometimes I look back at my life or wait.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Eat dairy?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh good for you?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that shit be fucking me up.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Sometimes, Hello, we're not supposed to have it. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yes, Sometimes I look back at my life.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And be proud of where I came from.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
You would never believe me if I told you.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I'm blind as hell, but you probably can put my
glasses on. I don't know. I don't know, man, Jesus,
where am I not interesting? I don't know?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Man?
Speaker 4 (46:52):
What You're plenty interesting. I've seen your Twitter.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
You never know that. I fucking hate Twitter. That's a
fuck good with thanks for the god?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah? You don't you don't give that.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There telling niggas. I hate them.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yes, you know, I can appreciate you speaking your mind.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I like the better when Jack owned it.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
But okay, the craziest story I have from a show
had to be the time when a lady showed.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Her titties while was that a fucking token concert? That
was the weirdest place was for me to see some titties.
But yeah, she lifted her shirt up at me. What
I didn't know how to feel.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Did you stop or did you did you keep going?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
We wrapped and then she told me about it at
at the what's the thing called where the merch table?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I was like, okay, interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Were you into it or I was into the fact
that somebody wanted to show their titties on like to
my new it. I ain't gonna lie. That's the hardest part.
But it wasn't really like an attract It wasn't attraction based.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
It's just it was a boob show.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, okay, okay, it's cool because you can rap about it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I still haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
You should, you should, definitely, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
The you need to be my My fucking an r.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Oh my god, hey, can you I would be so honored.
Let's talk about it, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
But no, seriously, I'm just I'm a fan, so that's why.
But ten years from now, I want my legacy to be.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Greatest rapper, greatest rap artist of the twenty twenty twenties, thirties.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
We need a new name for this era. Like, there's
no name new era.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's just what are like? What is this? This is uh.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Pre apocalypse, pre pocaty apocalyptic, pre apocalyptic.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
That was a little too scared to me on my
Trump is president right now?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Is getting actic? Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (49:11):
No, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I honestly just feel like.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I feel like the labels is what kind of kind
of fuck it up? But also it doesn't though because
it's like blog era.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's important only because it helps it helps to market
to those who don't understand.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
The motion exactly. Yeah, I feel like it's just damn,
that's tough. That's a toughie.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
We gotta figure that out out. Drop a common and help.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Us, let us know what the fuck is this ship called?
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Yes, Outside from rapping, my favorite hobby is.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Smoking weed or hanging out with my daughter and my
girlfriend Love.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
That Blank is one movie I can watch with the
sound off.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Friday Men's Society.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
You know what, I'm surprised you ain't say atl.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Hey, yeah, I can call it off. They're my daddy
house man.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Okay. My new album Marco Versus the Underworld is.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
The best album of twenty twenty five. And that I
mean that. I ain't playing with you.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
But it's not clocking to you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It's not clocking. It's not clocking to you that I'm
standing on business right now.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Like what the fuck, I'm a human fucking be he
was talking, shit, that's my boy, fuck with the bees.
I was just telling my girlfriend or how how niggas
used to hate Beaber because he was like taking all
their girls in this fifth sixth grade all ship shit
like that. But I ain't gonna lie by like twenty fourteen.
It was like or twenty thirteen for real, it was like, nah,
bes who he be smoking weav sipp and lean. You
(50:58):
know what I'm saying, Big, he don't do that no more.
But yeah, he's cool.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
If I was not a rapper, I would be.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You know, it's so crazy. I don't know whatever. I
ain't never thought about being nothing. I wanted to be
a rappers since I was four years old.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Four Yeah what yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, And it's like I've been rapping. Yeah, I've been
rapping for like four years and it's worked, so you
know what I'm saying. At one point, I was thinking
about going to the Army in like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I think we all did, Like what the fun is
wrong with it?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
It's like, all right, so I gotta pay bills, got
my place to live.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
They offer all that as like a starter package to
adulting exactly.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
That's the appeal that is predatory.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
That's wow.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
I mean, my nigga, everything is everything you want the
music business, you what? Everything is crazy?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
But oh, I was going to ask you if you
had to, like say, like a tree that you're on
for fans, like, oh, if you're a fan of this
and this, you a fuck with Marco? Like what who
are you picking?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
You're a fan of Kendrick lamar And.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And Drake, you would like Marco plus And if you
had to create a Marco Plus, start a kit.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Like these are these are the records for you to
get to know me?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, uh gotta start out with Lately because people love
that song out my way I love music so much,
probably Solace and and Hell yeah yeah, Clode at Tea.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, and what's your favorite product of favorite song off
this new project falling right now?
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I can't even lie.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
That ships so motherfucker's mooth like and it sounds better
being out. I love when music sounds like better out
that shit. Caldes, Fuck dude, I'll be like, yo, I
put my foot in this.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's every raw, got the little argument in it.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, and you know it's a good record when you're
not even in that scenario, but you still like the record.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
You know, people because people love toxicity.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, people love talking from Its true.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
That's how that's why R and B exists today.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Boom Yeah, let's not keep pushing that narrative.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Please look all right, hey, can we get back there
saying about how you miss her? Yes, like Lenny Williams,
ain't doing ain't sure your niggas nothing.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Like come on man, yeah man, I'm over it, and
give me some motherfucking bounce.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I'm tired of this, And same for their fucking diaphragm
and not your fucking nose.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, ps a, your niggas is not raged a.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Shout out to radio ray J.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
He the only news sound, singing through his nose. I
read my last two wait and keeth sweat, I'm sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
After my first rap check, I bought.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I don't remember, okay, probably some white Ones.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
And then my favorite album of all time is.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Marco Plus versus the Underworld. Nah, at ali is a
Quemini Go ahead, baby, Butterfly. Yes, nothing was the same
twenty fourteen for us, his drive almost there about lucky
(54:52):
thriller controversy, Prince, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, bro, it's
a lot of ship, don't you. That's a that's a
loaded question. That's a very loaded question. That ships so wild.
Oh my goodness, I love music so much. At Aliens
(55:14):
is behind you? What's the four one one is behind you?
You got some ship behind you?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Oh my god? What's the four to one one? Is
such a good album? Brow My mom used to play
that in the whip on repeat like she was sad. Yeah,
like she needed real love. Yes she had, she was married,
but what well she's not with the same person no more.
But I will say, yeah, so I guess she didn't.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Need You could relate to a time when you didn't
that's what. That's why we like the toxic record Falling.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, exactly, Like I'm in.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
A great place for my love life, but Falling is
still relatable.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah on God. Yeah, hey, I'm happy you
like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
What else I wanted to ask before we get out
of here? Oh oh oh, you've been definitely embraced by
Jit a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, my boy.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Yes, everybody thinks that you're on that project. You are
on the project though, right.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
I'm I'm I'm I'm on work. I helped with the
hook of Work.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I did some things on there, the first single.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, I did some stacks and watch me work fire.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
I love seeing embrace you and you are touring this year.
That okay, what is it being out?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
We can't talk about that's not being out.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
This ain't coming out for like another three weeks.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Oh off for real?
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Oh, nigga, unless you wanted to come out sooner.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I know when it's being announced.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
What do you want it to come out sooner? So
then we could just skip that question.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I ain't gonna be cool this shit you can drop
in three weeks, but like, yeah, I think it should
be announced.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
The nineteenth maybe okay, but I'm doing the West Coast dates.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Very very very much fun. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm. I
don't know. Man, getting kind of overwhelmed thinking about serious.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
Don't overthink. You're already and you're doing what needs to
be done. That's why you're there.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, man, shout g that's a real guy sho shouts.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
You know, without them characters, man, without them niggas, Yeah,
she would be looking weird for you right now.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I literally don't know what I'd be doing if I
wasn't rapping.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
So yeah, amen. Marco Plus Versus the Underworld out now.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, Hey, Marco plus versus Down the World out now
featuring Smino, Cocash and jigs and Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
Great kind feature by the way, Great that's what Yeah?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Great?
Speaker 4 (58:02):
Yeah, great cod feature.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah you ain't buried me, no, nigga.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yo, shout out with your gram Let everybody know where
to follow you if they don't already.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Uh Plus No, that's I was gonna say my email.
I judged too much.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Uh. Instagram, it's mark All plus TikTok Twitter, not Marko
plus Music everywhere, Marko plus Marco plus Resident in the
World out now, fuck the Free World.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
And you're.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I'm to get down with you as your boys know
what's up now and we need to do talk.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Your girl money long? Hey you know not you need
to talk my girl?
Speaker 4 (00:20):
What's we need to time? What's going on? Guys now?
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's won here with another episode that we need to talk.
And today I got a very special guest in the building.
We got Marco Plus here.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
Hey, what's popping? We're going on man project? Good Drop?
I got you today, your project drop.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yes, it's awesome, feels good. I'm so happy to put
your shit out good. No, cap Yeah, it's been a
long time.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Yeah, understandable.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Let's start with well, actually, before I dive into your project,
let's just do a backstory for those who aren't famiailiar
with who Marco Plus is?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Who is Marco Plus? Where are you from? And what's
his wife?
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Y'all.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
I'm from Atlanta, Georgia, Southside College Park, twenty seven years old,
and honestly, I feel like I've been the greatest for
a long time, but I feel like I'm just now
becoming like a great songmaker. Yeah, so I'm really just
(01:29):
trying to. I want to be one of the best.
I feel like everybody says that, but I feel like
only a few of us really got it in us
to become that, and I feel like that's just that's
where I'm at with it.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
You definitely make that clear on the project. Yeah, you
definitely make that clear, and I want to touch on that.
But I guess what is driving that I want to
be the best because you said you feel like you've
been the best for a long time, but for a
lot of people, this is the.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
First time hearing you. Yeah, honestly, and you don't got
to lean in. It's gonna pick up, Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Honestly, it's like the legacy thing, you know what I mean.
It's it's kind of deeper than just being a great
rapper or even one of the best rappers. I mean,
I'm trying to be one of the biggest artists I
could be. And that's why I really try to take
a step forward every time I make a project. I
feel like I'm getting better at just like building the
(02:24):
world and really putting down the hook I want to make.
But now like the catchy thing rather than oh, what's
the best.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Punchline or metaphor similar that.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I could say, maybe try to get my point across
the right way, trying to be very intentional with how
I come across music.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I love that because I do feel like a lot
of rappers are just rap rapping.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
It's a bunch of like Okay, yeah, that's impressive, but
like I'm never gonna hit replay again.
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Exactly yeah, exactly, yeah, I don't. I ain't gonna lie
it's it's it's a cycle right now. But I understand
it because the ecosystem we in. Everybody feel like they
got to do that. But I feel like, if.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You can rap, you can rap.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Just try to put that ship in the song for
him better, try to. I feel like everybody has it
in them that just it'd be something blocking them. They'll
probably think it's corny to do yeah, or like yeah,
a lot of mother uss think making songs as whack.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Yeah, you gotta put a pose in that.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Ego, Yeah for sure, for sure.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
You know what you could know it about yourself. But
I could do this better.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I could.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
If you gotta pause in bruh, it's certain ship that's
on this album that I wouldn't have made.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
Okay, Like what like falling. Oh that's the one I love.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's my favorite song on the project right now too.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Okay, I thought you were going to stay taking it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
But like putting it out not see, I ain't gonna
lie everybody. That's that's why I love hell Yah.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
I was like, oh, this is not what I was expecting.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
At Nigga like who raped? Well, Like I be feeling
like people forget that. I like, I'm from where I'm from,
Like I could do all that shit like effortlessly, but
it's so it's creating with intention, you know what I'm saying.
I know this where I shine at and I feel like,
hell yo, was what's the best way for me to
(04:31):
shine in that format? And then not not force feeding
it to people because a lot of motherfuckers like back
to the song making thing, it's a thin line between
your songmaking and making it sound like you're trying to
make something or trying to cross over or something.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
The sound is.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Honestly in you most of the time. You don't got
to force the sound. That's why I was like, hell
yeah is enough? Buggers know what's know? I'm coming with her?
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah yeah, because honestly, because what is it like fourth
and third, yeah, I was like, my ear just wasn't
prepared exactly. I think my ear wasn't prepared so that
I have to run it back Like hmm. First I'm
like I don't know. Then I'm like.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Okay, yeah, okay, like yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
If it's one of those, I gotta throw people off
a little bit. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
I didn't want to keep throwing motherfuckers off trying to
appease to a certain crowd that ain't ready for what
I have to do in that lane yet, you know
what I mean. Okay, but trust me, it's coming soon.
I'm gonna take over the planet.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And that shits well done. Good seating.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Then why Marco plus versus the underworld? Like who or
what is the underworld?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
The underworld is everything. The underworld is the issues.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
That I go through, like dealing with dealing being a
rapper in the underground, being being a young man growing
up in Atlanta, how I grew up, just the pitfalls
that come with that, trying to.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Navigate, you know, doing all the bad ship.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Stand alive and he'll punish sometimes not stand alive, all
that stuff, relationship issues, that ship can be the underworld
like you know, the underworld is really hell. So a
lot of these situations can feel like your personal hell.
And that's kind of what it is, like Marco plus
versus his own demons and things like that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
I like that, And then I just want to touch
on the cover art. Who who made it?
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Gallery Province.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
He does like a lot of the Underground Guys covers,
like he used to do dreco Ship a lot of
Dreko the Ruler. He does these covers, does a lot
of people.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Who is this in the picture with you? I like
the a hat.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
It's all just me.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Oh, it's three versions of you. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Because I get yeah, I'm gonna just die, I guess
because that's like the skit suggests me talking to myself,
like like yeahs oh so that's.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Your conscious because you know, we definitely got to get
into the.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Yeah exactly, okay, exactly, it's my conscience.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
That's okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, But like it's really both Like I would love
for people to see it both ways, Like, yeah, it's
like a night you ride around with yours, but it's
also just a night where you're just thinking and like
because that's how you really think sometimes like it would
just be a lot of shit going on, maybe not
as conversation as that. If it is that conversation, then
maybe you gotta talk to somebody.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
But yeah, like after I think it's falling, I listened
to following them.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
No, I was like my first the first time I.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Listened, I said, you need to get out of this relationship,
like this ship is bad, Like.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Man, hey, just like be telling people.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But then but then when I listen back to it,
I'm like, I like the vulnerability.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I feel like that song is a culmination of it's
like relationship problems. Like I'm one of them artists where
I'm kind of blessed to not have to go through
something immediately or initial like like off the bat, it
could been like something that happened years prior things that
(08:18):
I'm going through and think like just shit like that,
and it paints the perfect picture. I feel like more
artists have to start taking inspiration from that and stop
waiting for it to hit them because that might be
kind of unhealthy. Yeah, niggas be trying to create like
hell for them to write.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I'm like, nah, yeah, I'm not signing enough for that.
For those who are listening, we're talking about venting too.
Plus I can't feel my face. It's like one of
the last songs on the project, but there's a few
lines on there that I was like, damn, we got
to talk about this.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
I like when you said if I ain't in the
midst of the ground, I feel like I ain't enough.
I think that's relatable for so many of us, like
in the creative space.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
But do you still feel like that or did you
just feel like that in the moment.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
I feel like that every day.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Dang.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, when I ain't working or.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
Even when it seemed like I'm working hard, I could
have been like going crazy, but I'm gonna just be
like keep going because how.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Many motherfuckers drop a song to day?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Like what was the stat like sixty five thousand rappers
drop a fucking song on streaming? Yeah, come on, bro,
that's every day. Somebody is somebody could take the spot
that I'm trying to get. Yeah, So, like it does,
don't be feel like enough.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
Sometimes it's unfair to you. I will say that, but
I relate and I get the logic because like it
just time moves so fast.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
Exactly, yeah, exactly. You don't really realize how fast it
moves like it. To be honest, it don't seem like
it was no time ago when I started this project.
I started in October. But it's like so much has
happened since October, like Kendrick has dropped Drake and Party
or his drug pushing to.
Speaker 4 (10:05):
His dropped Alchemists doing yeah man.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
And it's like so many younger acts have came out
of nowhere. The Angelo ball had found a career in
the midst of those.
Speaker 4 (10:16):
Man in a few and a few come on, dude, painful.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
That's crazy painful to me.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Now, I ain't gonna lie, man, shout the shout to
all the hoopers who hoop dreams can't go the right way,
and then they go rap.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
That's the toughest shit ever inspiring. That's inspiring as fun.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, but the song came and went be for real.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
I might swerve and on this question, I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
No, just keep it buck. It's like it's just I
feel like I feel like he.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Gotta get the right team around him so that he
doesn't one stack his vocals because I hate how he
stacks his vocals, because I feel like he says can
be so hard if he just like if that shit
didn't sound.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Like it was made like breathing a little bit.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Exactly, sounds like it's made on like mixed craft or
some ship like he rabbed like an.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Old nigga, but like a young old nigga from like
New Orleans.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Yeah exactly, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Also on venting another line, you say, well, actually, I
don't know why I didn't write the full the full bar,
but it ends with I feel like driving off sometimes
I feel like driving off the road.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Yeah, this should dripping out. This should have tripped and uh,
what the fuck did I say? This should have tripped
and thought and.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
About to make me look it up? Hold on, let
me see.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Hey that's how hard I damn, I really want to
forgive because yeah, this ship is tripping thought about driving
out the road? Dog?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
Yeah, like wait, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Yeah, that's that's really layered. I don't know how deep
you want to go into that.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
But it's whatever. It's like, it's like, bruh, this is stressful.
Don't nobody really understand how stressful.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Just not even being a fucking artist, but like being
an entrepreneur and trying to work for self and not
trying to be like in the middle of the pack.
You're trying to be at the top of what the
fuck you do for years to come, and sometimes you
feel like it's just taking forever.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
She can drive you crazy, can try you insane, Like
I know what to do, and granted I've grown, so
I'm getting better with dealing with those certain aspects. And
also it's looking up, so like you know what I'm saying,
we're doing We're doing good. I want everybody who listened
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to that project, though, to if you like, like talk
to a motherfucker, whether it be your people, uh, a therapist,
like talk to.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Somebody about he said, somebody, Oh god, somebody, because.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
You never know, like who's willing to actually listen to you,
who actually care that much but they're too scared to
bring it up.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
That's true. That's true. I guess I might work a
little backwards on this tape. Well, I don't know, because
we kind of dabbled into a few record but yeah,
let's just.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Go like kill Bill, You're not kill It was like
it was just everything exactly the sequences.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
That's how we do on the POT today, guys. Sorry,
let's get into hood news. At first. I'm like ain't
no way this shit really happening, this story from atl school.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
No, I'm just uh, I just I'm just the reporter
of my circumstances and everybody's circumstances around where I grew
up at. You know what I'm saying, Like, you know,
a lot of these things they might not be super
native like to what the like to everybody's life, but
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it goes on, especially where I'm from, like all that
type of ships and killing parties.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
Uh, the police officers, that one was triggered by.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
That's death happening. What that's death happening in the city
on God it is. We ain't gonna talk about it,
but that's definitely happening. No, they're giving it up, so
they all gotta go to jail.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
I swear to God, that's gonna split the eighth. I
ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 4 (14:29):
It's crazy, sheesh. I feel like Atlanta, I'm not gonna lie,
is given Wow.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Wow West, It's so funny, right because Atlanta is still
this place that's like like it just looked like Metropolis.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
The ship.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Country is fucked though, like everybody country is hell, it's
just the South.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, I love Atlanta, But it's crazy. The ship that's normal,
it's silly. It's weird, it's different. Let me not say weird.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
It's just it's weird here.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I don't want I don't want to. It's salt.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
You know. People's man, they know what's going on in
the A. We all love it. But that shit is
the weirdest place on the planet.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
It's a lot going on. Okay, Sage Mode is crazy,
thank you. Talk to me. Why the name stage mode
for that record?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
In particular because I had just bought some sage and
I was burning that motherfucker in the house of the
windows open and shit, Okay, trying to make sure you
know everything is like you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
Yeah, exactly, Okay, Okay, setting the tone.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, I'm just trying to, like I said, Sage mold
like I'm Jaria, just trying to cleanse my soul.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
I don't even watch anime that much.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
See that's what I thought it was. I'm like, okay,
it's the anime.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Riat is a character on okay, exactly, and I just
know that he has the sage powers. I'm not really
a super gigantic fan of anime, but that's one thing
I remember from my years of like elementary middle school
like that watching alo.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
There's a bunch of lines I actually pulled out of
this record. I want to start with your conversation with
yourself about religion and spirituality. They said I lost my
faith as a teen. But I'm still not sure what
atheist means.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
And I do think our generation considered ourselves more spiritual
than religious.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But you know, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
I just I was watching Your Family Guy last night
and Peter asked, God, how do you feel about atheists?
Speaker 2 (16:27):
And he said they're good.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
He said, how do you feel about people who say
they're more spiritual than they are religious?
Speaker 2 (16:33):
He said, yeah, they're going to hell. They're going like
to the bottle bar. I was like, no, that's just
so crazy shit.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
All right, well, like what so where are you at it?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I'm gonna keep it a buck every it's like a
super search. Yeah, I don't know what the hell is
going on. And I feel like I also feel bad,
like I'm programmed to feel bad for telling like if
I pick anyone, I'm telling everybody else that they shit wrong,
and they going to the nether part of where they
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like when after they die, and that sucks, you know
what I'm saying, Like, nah, bro, Like it's it's just
impossible for what I grew up on to fully be
the right one.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And I'm not blaming it, and I don't don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I don't blame anybody for choosing a religion because I
understand what faith does and how it helps people. Sure,
Like that's that's one of the most powerful things ever.
It's just my I'm hard at it. My mind doesn't
really like I can't help but think but why, you
know what I'm saying, a lot of people just can't
help but think why.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
And I don't know. I feel like I'm getting better
at it.
Speaker 3 (17:52):
I feel like, like, of course, everybody feels like there
is a higher power and there is a God and
things like that, but I don't know who the hell
that nigga is just to be honest, like, it could
be anybody. It could be a woman, it could be
a goat, it could be a snake, it could be
a tree. Yeah, it could be anything. Like it's just energy,
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and I feel like I feel like the universe got me.
Speaker 4 (18:18):
I feel that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yeah, I definitely feel like I feel like labels in
general ruin the world. So whether you're Christian, Muslim, whatever
the case may be. So I did thoroughly enjoy hearing
that perspective on the tape.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
But also I like where you talk about like try
to find your purpose, people not seeing past the surface.
So explain to me, like what that bar meant that.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
Think I'm a rapidly rap ass nigga, And well, that's
part of it.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But also that and people think just because.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
You're an artist and you got some level of knowledgement,
cloud notoriety, that you're just like doing well, but honestly
and not like this honestly has nothing to do with
monetary gain or mental I mean or not monetary but
mental like mental anguish and all that shit, because it's
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just so much, like it's so much fear and doubt
that goes into creating that people don't really understand. It's
so much it's so many things that can go awry
as you're trying to plan it. It's like you could
drop a whole project and it falls on deaf ears.
You feel like, yes, people who love it, and I'm like,
we're always forever grateful for those people because without those
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people we were not like there.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Wouldn't be like nobody to help push it. But like like.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
When you really want to be the biggest and the greatest,
sometimes it can be uh, it can be very very
hell very much hell on the brain, you.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Yeah, yeah, like people just people just see it. It's like, oh, yeah,
you're doing your ship.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
I know, the thing you've always been doing. You just
gonna keep doing it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, No support really matters.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
It's just yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what these
interviews were. So you know, it's like deeper, just like uhh.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, deeper than the vanity metrics for sure. All my Mama,
Tough Tough tune. Now you started, you started the song
with critic and I'm like, oh god, you know, I
don't know, some people be saying critics.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
So I feel like everybody's a fucking.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Critic, like half in it half but it's like I'm
a fucking critic.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I was really just saying everybody at the end of
the day, like because think about it, we're all fucking critics.
I really just meant like like like fuck the mindset
of being a critic to to what I got going
on because I'm so cold that if you don't like it,
you just don't fucking understand it. Okay, that's honestly how
I feel. That's that's really how I feel. It wasn't
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like this rapper talk. I be feeling like, Yo, you
just don't get it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Got it?
Speaker 4 (21:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
You also talk about people saying that you're underrated. Do
you really feel underrated?
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I fucking hate that term.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah, I hate it.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Understandable, I do feel like I'm underrated, though, I feel
under appreciated, and I be feeling.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
Like the world is based off Dickie.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
That's literally why niggas be underrated, because it'd be motherfuckers
that be that that and they probably and they don't
even be their fault, like it don't even be they fault,
and they probably not even the dickie the dick eaters,
but they're.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Like, uh, people are fickle, listeners are fickle. Everybody is.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
So it really takes like one motherfucker to like have
a bunch of motherfuckers to checking it out. Like if
Sabrina Carporter posted, let's say Chris Patrick tomorrow, he has
a billionaires on them, and they're not gonna stop being
on them but sometimes, like you know what I'm saying,
(22:24):
it could just be difficult, like for motherfuckers to to
get what they just do when they deserve it, Like
it's just such a great fucking artist.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
But like that, just that shit just goes for anybody.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
That can go for me, That can go from a
man's sabe, that can go from a man's ruping vincit,
that can go for everybody. Like all it takes is
a fucking shout out and everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Start dick eating.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
But I don't know, man, we can fly under the
radar and it sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
That being said, though, what do you think it is
gonna take you? You do think it's the shout outs?
Or do you think it's gonna have to be like
a I don't want to.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Say, like a revolt, but I do feel like just
for like as far as like the classes in rap,
you know, obviously big three conversation, We've been having that forever,
and then you got like this Smino's the Sabas. Oh
we got to talk about Seno, but this Smino's the Sabas,
the jids in them, and then you know it's like
the new class right now.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
But a lot of people would be like, you know,
I was having this conversation, I was actually sharing your music,
and then they was like, yo, this dude is dope,
Like I don't understand why none of the bigger artists
like get on with him. And I'm like, actually, no,
Smino did, like and that was that was a big moment,
and They're like, yeah, but Smino's really not that big now.
I was like, ah, okay, I see what they mean
(23:43):
in comparison to Drake Kendrick.
Speaker 3 (23:44):
Cole, but in essence, I ain't gonna lie. Nigga Holmes
just changed my life.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Dude, Yeah, no, Smino. Smino is big, but you know,
Smino is.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
Big for non traditional like and that's why I was like,
we gotta I guess big.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Just looks different these days.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So a certain era of fans think that big means radio.
You know, jay Z signing you this, that, and the
third where there's another demo that's like, oh no, it's
these niggas that were doing it on their own.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
You see how you said both of those things.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
And I feel like I'm coming in the middle of
the pack of that, and it's so weird because I
don't feel like we gotta revolt nothing, you know what
I'm saying. I feel like everything goes how it goes
because that's how it's supposed to go.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
I just think that.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
Certain people have to take the proper steps to become
what the hell they want to be because I ain't
gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Niggas be Like, if I keep going the way I
want to go, motherfuckers.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Probably won't even remember that I'm the type of artist
I am because I'm trying to one of the biggest.
And that's not me saying like I'm gonna switch up
fully or nothing like that. But shit could shift, like
because music, like I'm a fan of music. Yeah, like
(25:10):
like music is deeper than sixty four bars, you know
what I'm saying, Like I like making sounds. I feel
like it just takes cutting through. It just tastes cutting
through like I I don't and I don't particularly particularly
agree with this smino.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (25:31):
They know people that whoever youre talking to saying because
I because I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
It's just like.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
I think about it, like of course, like, yeah, there's
bigger artists, but this nigga, I don't know. Bro, It's
so weird, like he has every type of supporter, he
has every type of supporder. He's everywhere, like everybody's a
fan of Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
Man, I'm a huge fan, you know.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
I feel like I feel like I feel like there's
like I feel like the one thing that's separating him
from like a lot of motherfuckers is just that one,
the one artist you know, out of the out of
the because it's really a big two who you get
(26:26):
a stimulus package from either Drake or Kendrick. That's where
the that's the real. Like, I ain't gonna lie like
all that big three ship sound cool, but that ship
ain't real.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Bro, No, no, no, let's not do this.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Number three is interchangeable and I love Jacob great.
Speaker 1 (26:43):
This is I don't I don't want to debating the interview.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
I don't want to do debating on the interview. But
I can't let you.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Get off with that one of the greatest rappers of all time?
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Are you removing him because of the beef hair?
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Did you always damn about that beef?
Speaker 1 (26:59):
But a lot of people have been like, nah, it's
all invalidated.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
I don't care about that beef. You know why? Because
he was damned if he did it, damned if he didn't.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
This is true.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Did the fuck ass people was already trying to ship
on him when he dropped it, he took it back,
people was shitting on him. If he didn't drop people
was shitting on him. I don't give a fuck about
none of that. But him being a casualty in such
a situation kind of proves that there's two everybody else. Like,
(27:43):
It's like it's like watching Goku and Freezer. If you've
ever seen Dragon ball Z back then, Man, it's like
Goku and fucking Freezer.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Like, yeah, vegeta over there. But I ain't gonna lie.
I don't like.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Not even his power, but the power around him, meaning
the fans, the supporters, the money, all of these things,
the the codes.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
That they live by.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Like sometimes that shit is unmatched, dead ass, Like it
just be a different level. So no matter how how
great cold artistry is or how I feel about him,
artists wise, biggest versus best is a total different thing,
you know what I mean? So with that being said,
(28:33):
man they need to give both of them. Niggas need
to gives me no a fucking feature because he can
easily be a fifty million monthly listener artists like all
the time. Yeah, that's just because you hear his music,
like his music transcends like just rap, he would like,
(28:54):
he's like you, No, he really has a genre worthy artist.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Yeah, it's a genre of its own, it is.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I agree, Yeah, melodic jazzy but rapped at the same time.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, yeah, I feel the same way about a lot
of artists like Jied, Like, yeah, Jed is freaking gigantic,
But imagine if this nigga see.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
And just in that class with Jed is also tied.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
He's not necessarily like as indie as the others that
we were name he's.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So major, that nigga that major, I'll be realizing he
got crazy, motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Yeah, like dude, Yeah, but even then he's still not
or maybe he.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Is because he's a regular guy.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
Is it that?
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Or is it or is it just because we're in
it that we just can't like regular guy?
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Like I ain't gonna lie, but he definitely is.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
Is is known as the metrics.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Say, I mean shop you're doing records with Eminem, I
mean like, yeah, he crazy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Bro. Jed is such an odd guy because he's like
he's like basically you could say the first of his
era and his styling to make it thus far, you
know what I mean, Like he was the first. I
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don't know who who was after or before that, Like
it will probably be Smeno probably the.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
Same time, same time, different from so they both came.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
Out around like twenty seventeen, twenty before that.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
I mean, I mean, of course, but like Jid first,
like Greenville like never Story came out like that March
twenty seventeen. I know Smeno was heavy, heavy, heavy, heavy
heavy on Twitter at the time, so wow, exactly, so
it was around like all that that same era Isaiah
Shade came out twenty thirteen. But I still feel like
that's kind of like the same era, after the after,
(30:51):
after Kendrick, after Drake era, all that stuff. I feel
like it's those three, you know what I'm saying. Like,
but it just seems like Ji has just took off
so freaking massively.
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Because of the I don't even want to say because
of Cole. I just think it's because.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Of well actually yeah, but not not because of Cold directly.
I'm just saying because of Cole in a sense of
like being tied to a major Yeah, that's having interscope.
It's not because of J Coles, like J Cole's Colt
science did it.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, he definitely made He definitely just made the most
of us all of the situation because I ain't gonna
lie that nigga real dead that is one of the
best raptors of a generation is crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Bro, He's crazy. It's not a lot of people that's
that's uh, that's doing it like that either. That's another
reason why it's so like amazing to see like like.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Him have such a such a magnetic fan base to
everything that he does because he's more on the heavier
side of this whole rap thing that we do.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Yeah, I'm happy about it.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
I said during the pandemic, like, all right, Jeddensmino are
my favorite two out of the new class?
Speaker 2 (32:05):
Am I missing somebody?
Speaker 4 (32:08):
You mean this class wise?
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Or who's just the best of that class wise and
who's actually like it's actually made it close to like
the pinnacle?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Mmm?
Speaker 4 (32:19):
I think it's you know, yeah, and then everybody else
I'm a fan of too, But I.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Think my mind is so blank.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
You want to do top two? You want to take Cole?
Ain't no Big three? If you want to say top two.
That's who I thought. You're like.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
That.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
It's a big five.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Din me hear this five real quick.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Kendrick Drake, Cole Future, Travis Scott, Oh.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
My, oh my, no not Travis.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Okay, if you want to do an interchangeable five, then
make the fifth one.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Can't make the fifth one?
Speaker 2 (32:56):
So crazy told me? You know who?
Speaker 4 (33:04):
What was that? What was said?
Speaker 2 (33:06):
Exactly what you just said.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
It's like I love I love a too, but you
gotta look at you know, you're talking about raps and
that's what I'm saying. We can't be like, who is
the fucking coldest while got was the coldest.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Pins ever forever Aimer. If you put him on that list,
then you gotta put Bowdie James on that list. And
you gotta put West Side Gone on that list.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
No, no, no, no no, because now you now you're
confusing errors and ship.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
We are about.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
And then okay, fine.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
Bro His Further Alchemist album came out in twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Now you're about to piss me off because it's supposed
to be an interview.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's not supposed to be debate style.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
But you got like, okay, I feel like I feel
like Travis Tyler.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
Oh forgot Tyler, But look, I.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Feel like Travis Tyler and I don't really know who
else to put in that. I with them in a
class slightly after, slightly after Big.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Three, Tyler up there with them. You know no what no?
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Because no, it's.
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Keep the buck. I'm keeping a buck. Tyler up there
with Kendrick Colin Drake because this nigga.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Don't know why you want to stay?
Speaker 2 (34:16):
Because I forgot this nigga existed. Bro, this nigga came
out two thousand and eight. I feel like this nigga
had a whole world like.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
This nigga, Like, but were you always? Were you always
a part of the conversation?
Speaker 2 (34:28):
Did you ever?
Speaker 1 (34:29):
She is still one of his biggest records, and now
he's just not hitting his pinnacle mainstream?
Speaker 4 (34:33):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Why did you? Did you wear Supreme? And why did
you wear it?
Speaker 4 (34:37):
Not because of Tyler?
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Get the hell out of here.
Speaker 4 (34:41):
You know no wrong? I love I love golf Way,
I like Tyler, I liked.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
And then he finally getting to the point where his
numbers match.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
A lot of people have to a lot of people forget.
I don't care what nobody says. Your numbers have to match.
Your numbers have to match what this ship you popp
you know, if you if you're gonna pop that type
of shit, your numbers have to match, like if you're
gonna say you're the greatest anything.
Speaker 4 (35:00):
Like, the numbers don't even be real.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Half time though different.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
I feel like the numbers don't be real.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Half that is, I heard niggas be buying shit and lying.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
It don't make.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
No sense to me because some some songs I'll see
are like number one or like, yo, this is the
hottest record out based off numbers, and then I go
play it. Don't nobody know your shit, don't nobody move
to your ship. And then there's other records that I
play that are like, you know, just a song that
you know.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
I bumped this. Let me see if people like it.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Everybody knows where different that nigga can do an arena?
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Wait, who oh, Tyler, I'm not even talking about this
Thailand particular. I'm just I'm just saying in general, i'd
be thinking these numbers are hello fabricate, Hello fabricated, And
I don't really know what that's about.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Hey, that's scary as fun.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
That's just me.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
You're like I'm the person who asks why I think
and you were like a lot of people are like this.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
A lot of people are not like that.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
So I feel like when it comes to it, you
have to think, like why is it that this song
works in the club but it's not getting no love?
Speaker 4 (35:58):
But then the ship that is getting like love? Or
when I say love, I just mean noise.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
The songs that I get annoyed, it's just it's smoking
fucking mirrors. Yeah, So I don't know, but I think
Tyler and them are in a different class.
Speaker 4 (36:09):
I think it's Drake Kendrick Cole. Then I think, hey, hi.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It's Tyler Travis or maybe they're in different classes based
off of when they hit pinnacles.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, when they hit that, when they hit that prime,
I feel you because Tyler hit his prime later than
all of them, but he started.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
Well Travis, this is true.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
Nah, Trav hit it like well.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
I guess he had two.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
He had two, yeah, because because rodeo.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
When it is but the intro don't count, Like the
intro is the intro, that's why you're there, Like, yeah,
your your intro is the no because.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
That wasn't really the intro. It wasn't days before.
Speaker 4 (36:49):
Days before Rodeo is not the intro.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
No, days before I thought about Rodeo, but also black
al farroh. But people ain't give a fuck about al
Faroh yeah, I fuck with nigga, give a fuck about that.
But yeah, yeah yeah, days before Rodeo is definitely to
jump off. But I feel like Rodeo is the one.
Speaker 4 (37:06):
What pinnacle is astro world?
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Nah, musical pinnacle or well or height?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (37:15):
Hype Yeah, yeah, that's definitely its hype pinnacle. My bad,
I'm conflating two things.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
So it's a lot going on. It's a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
That's why we need charts. We need charts and we
need my phone keep vibrations. Are not even saying we
need all the charts. Every stat needs to equal the
same thing, like we can't rate one thing more than
the other because because when it comes down to these
types of conversations, every aspect matters. Replay value, sales, concerts, nigga,
(37:51):
lyrical ability, delivery, song structure.
Speaker 4 (37:54):
Shut up, hey man, that album just drop phone ringing,
I stee.
Speaker 3 (37:59):
You wow Hey Sparkle plus versus Underworld all right, but yeah, uh,
lyrical ability, subject matter, technical ability, how well you put
together rhyme, schemes, all of that stuff. It has to
be rated on, like on an even playing field. If
(38:21):
you want to talk about the greatest, if you want
to talk about the best, yeah, you can leave all.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
The sales and shut out.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
You can even leave replay replay value out because we're
talking about who the best rapper is, but the greatest,
like especially when it comes down to come down to
that big three, those are things that we got to
put into perspective because that should take a lot of
work for like Man Tyler fan base is so fucking insane.
Speaker 2 (38:45):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Cole fan base. It's
fucking ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
That ain't nothing you can just brush aside, because it's
the reason why, you know what I'm saying, It's a
reason why it touches people that way, for people to
become stands like that.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
And I'm trying to figure out what it is because
though I am, like, I have my own mind, I
might not like all your records, but I'm still like
a diehard and I'm like, how the fuck.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Did I become like this?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Exactly?
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Yeah, you see me? You like make to him, like,
wait a minute, detour detour.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
I don't like Hey, I ain't mean it like that,
matter of fact, lead that out. I love Cold.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
No, this is a good productive conversation. You said you
love Wila, you love Cold.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, but it's just like, but I hear what you're.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Saying in regards to best lyricists versus.
Speaker 3 (39:28):
Best versus greatest, like just like greatest rap hits. Yeah,
because being a rap.
Speaker 4 (39:35):
Act it's different.
Speaker 2 (39:37):
Yeah, like Travis Scott is there, but we're not putting
a nigga in the mother conversations like not a lick.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
So for you because you said this, I mean you
said this in an interview talking about your legacy, but
also on the.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
Project, you said you're trying to be the greatest ever period?
Is it? Are you playing both games? Are you winning
in more towards one than the other.
Speaker 3 (40:00):
I feel like I'm a psychopath and niggas ain't fucking
with me Scorpio.
Speaker 4 (40:08):
Yeah, psycho path for sure.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I feel like niggas ain't. I feel like niggas and
even seen.
Speaker 3 (40:16):
What I like what what this is like from nobody
except probably Kendrick and Drake and Cole. But it's kind
of different because I'm from Atlanta. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I ain't coming up to New York until I was
like twenty three, twenty.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Four Atlanta, Hell exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:36):
So its just like.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
I'm trying to not even trying. I'm going to be
the biggest out of this whole thing right now, of
my peers. That's just how I feel. I don't think
nobody fucking with me on a musical level period, making
the songs, making a hook picking production. We just need
(41:02):
that motherfucking budget.
Speaker 2 (41:06):
Rock Nation. We just need we need that a billion dollars,
that push that pushed that motherfucker to the to the
Scott I felt that.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Okay, I actually skipped which one? Did I skip on? Accident?
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (41:29):
Sorry? My notes are all over the place.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
It's the Oh it's funny when it's not your whole ah. Yeah,
is this is this inspired by real life?
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Everybody has went through a situation like that, but probably
not in the car.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
Okay, probably not like what the pattern is all around, right,
But yeah, niggas ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 2 (41:50):
You know what the fuck going on? Every girl has
went through a situation like that.
Speaker 3 (41:54):
You know what Nigga doing some shit, He's not supposed
to be doing and you call him and he any
we beat and then probably takes you like I'm doing
something or what you're doing?
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Come on, man, everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
Don't been through that ship and it's be funny as
hell when it's not your whole right, you'd be.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Like, ah, they can go out bad, going out bad. Ye, yeah,
but you're not eating. You're not eating like crazy.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
Now that I have more contact that you're a scorpio.
What what is that crashing out looks like for you?
Because that's a that's a's to crash out.
Speaker 2 (42:31):
What is it looking at?
Speaker 4 (42:35):
Oh man, you're about to just crash out.
Speaker 2 (42:38):
I ain't just crashed out, but over keep it the buck. Man.
It's like.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
I'll be trying to talk about it too much. I'll
be like trying to talk through the issue. I'll be
realizing that's a problem. Like but just like, let the
situation calm down. Trying to talk it out. That ship
that hit, So play it out you want to, you.
Speaker 4 (43:01):
Want to talk it out in the heat of it.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
No, nigga, give me twenty four hours maybe four that
you know, give me give me a second to that
just with the hell because I can't even well, let
me not even speak for myself, but I feel like
for a lot of people, if I'm already in my emotions,
you gotta give me time to process my emotions so
I can think clearly about Yeah, that makes a lot
of sense.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yes, nigga like me, so goddamn.
Speaker 3 (43:26):
So I'll be trying to talk and I don't be realizing, like, wait,
I don't even want to talk.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
I'm screaming, not you, just saying shit.
Speaker 3 (43:35):
I'm trying to kill the I'm trying to kill the tension.
I want everything to be because that's that be me.
I want everything to be all love back again. Right, So,
like I don't be realizing, like, bro, maybe I shouldn't talk.
Maybe I am irritated as hell. Maybe I should stop talking.
Maybe I feel better in like five hours.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Okay, now that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Niggas talk too much. Niggas need to shut the fuck up.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Agreed. Retweet tweet that ship. But all right, I'm just curious,
just because of the song. How many times do they
do you smoke?
Speaker 2 (44:09):
Bro? I smoke all I wake up, look, I wake up.
I roll?
Speaker 4 (44:16):
Okay, I roll what I roll?
Speaker 2 (44:19):
I rolled that that that that pack up.
Speaker 3 (44:22):
Oh God, and you niggas ain't smoking with me, Like
if y'all really want to get into it, oh, here
we go. We want to take this ship into like
a fucking a room with no windows. Niggas, you would
not be able to smoke with me falling asleep, breathing, weird.
I'm all types of ship. I'm talking to y'all no cap,
(44:45):
but yeah, I smoke all day. I can't even tell
you how many times, Like I I say.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
Like I rolled up, probably like the minimum is the
minimum is five, the median is around seven, and the
highest is like probably like eleven.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (45:07):
Yeah, that is crazy exactly.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Like the like the little ones or the skinny ones
or like various.
Speaker 2 (45:15):
Be honest, it really just depends on how the hell
I'm feeling.
Speaker 4 (45:18):
Okay, all right, makes sense.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
If they're bigger than it, Wo'll probably be like five
or five or six. But if they like regular size,
probably be like seven eight. If I'm rolling skinny that day,
like I'll be rolling skinny when I'm out of New
York because it's just like the vibe niggas roll skinny
out here.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Okay, I probably roll like I end up rolling the life.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
I'm just in the house like okay, yeah, I was wondering,
Like okay, no, Cap in his wrap smoking all day
is true.
Speaker 2 (45:43):
I got joined right right now?
Speaker 4 (45:45):
Are you serious? Let me see. It's like show the Class,
Show the Class. Oh no, he's really committed to this.
Yeah that's funny.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Well.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
On the show, we play a game called Questions that
need answer is all you gotta do is fill in
the blank?
Speaker 2 (46:02):
Okay, all, Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:03):
The older I get, the less I care, of course,
of course.
Speaker 2 (46:09):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
Sometimes I look back at my life or wait.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Eat dairy?
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Oh good for you?
Speaker 2 (46:14):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that shit be fucking me up.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Sometimes, Hello, we're not supposed to have it. It's cool.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
Yes, Sometimes I look back at my life.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
And be proud of where I came from.
Speaker 4 (46:31):
You would never believe me if I told you.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
I'm blind as hell, but you probably can put my
glasses on. I don't know. I don't know, man, Jesus,
where am I not interesting? I don't know?
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Man?
Speaker 4 (46:52):
What You're plenty interesting. I've seen your Twitter.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
You never know that. I fucking hate Twitter. That's a
fuck good with thanks for the god?
Speaker 3 (47:04):
What?
Speaker 4 (47:04):
Yeah? You don't you don't give that.
Speaker 2 (47:08):
There telling niggas. I hate them.
Speaker 4 (47:09):
Yes, you know, I can appreciate you speaking your mind.
Speaker 2 (47:14):
I like the better when Jack owned it.
Speaker 4 (47:18):
Yeah, I think we all do.
Speaker 1 (47:21):
But okay, the craziest story I have from a show
had to be the time when a lady showed.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Her titties while was that a fucking token concert? That
was the weirdest place was for me to see some titties.
But yeah, she lifted her shirt up at me. What
I didn't know how to feel.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
Did you stop or did you did you keep going?
Speaker 3 (47:42):
We wrapped and then she told me about it at
at the what's the thing called where the merch table?
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Okay, okay.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I was like, okay, interesting.
Speaker 3 (47:53):
Were you into it or I was into the fact
that somebody wanted to show their titties on like to
my new it. I ain't gonna lie. That's the hardest part.
But it wasn't really like an attract It wasn't attraction based.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
It's just it was a boob show.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, okay, okay, it's cool because you can rap about it.
Speaker 2 (48:13):
I still haven't done it.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
You should, you should, definitely, that's.
Speaker 2 (48:16):
The you need to be my My fucking an r.
Speaker 4 (48:20):
Oh my god, hey, can you I would be so honored.
Let's talk about it, you know.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
But no, seriously, I'm just I'm a fan, so that's why.
But ten years from now, I want my legacy to be.
Speaker 2 (48:37):
Greatest rapper, greatest rap artist of the twenty twenty twenties, thirties.
Speaker 4 (48:45):
We need a new name for this era. Like, there's
no name new era.
Speaker 2 (48:50):
It's just what are like? What is this? This is uh.
Speaker 3 (48:57):
Pre apocalypse, pre pocaty apocalyptic, pre apocalyptic.
Speaker 4 (49:03):
That was a little too scared to me on my
Trump is president right now?
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Is getting actic? Oh my god?
Speaker 4 (49:11):
No, I don't know that.
Speaker 2 (49:12):
I honestly just feel like.
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I feel like the labels is what kind of kind
of fuck it up? But also it doesn't though because
it's like blog era.
Speaker 4 (49:24):
It's important only because it helps it helps to market
to those who don't understand.
Speaker 2 (49:32):
The motion exactly. Yeah, I feel like it's just damn,
that's tough. That's a toughie.
Speaker 4 (49:41):
We gotta figure that out out. Drop a common and help.
Speaker 2 (49:44):
Us, let us know what the fuck is this ship called?
Speaker 4 (49:47):
Yes, Outside from rapping, my favorite hobby is.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
Smoking weed or hanging out with my daughter and my
girlfriend Love.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
That Blank is one movie I can watch with the
sound off.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Friday Men's Society.
Speaker 4 (50:07):
You know what, I'm surprised you ain't say atl.
Speaker 2 (50:10):
Hey, yeah, I can call it off. They're my daddy
house man.
Speaker 4 (50:16):
Okay. My new album Marco Versus the Underworld is.
Speaker 2 (50:23):
The best album of twenty twenty five. And that I
mean that. I ain't playing with you.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
But it's not clocking to you.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
It's not clocking. It's not clocking to you that I'm
standing on business right now.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
Like what the fuck, I'm a human fucking be he
was talking, shit, that's my boy, fuck with the bees.
I was just telling my girlfriend or how how niggas
used to hate Beaber because he was like taking all
their girls in this fifth sixth grade all ship shit
like that. But I ain't gonna lie by like twenty fourteen.
It was like or twenty thirteen for real, it was like, nah,
bes who he be smoking weav sipp and lean. You
(50:58):
know what I'm saying, Big, he don't do that no more.
But yeah, he's cool.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
If I was not a rapper, I would be.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
You know, it's so crazy. I don't know whatever. I
ain't never thought about being nothing. I wanted to be
a rappers since I was four years old.
Speaker 2 (51:18):
Four Yeah what yeah?
Speaker 4 (51:20):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (51:21):
Yeah, And it's like I've been rapping. Yeah, I've been
rapping for like four years and it's worked, so you
know what I'm saying. At one point, I was thinking
about going to the Army in like twenty eighteen.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
I think we all did, Like what the fun is
wrong with it?
Speaker 4 (51:35):
It's like, all right, so I gotta pay bills, got
my place to live.
Speaker 1 (51:39):
They offer all that as like a starter package to
adulting exactly.
Speaker 4 (51:43):
That's the appeal that is predatory.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
That's wow.
Speaker 4 (51:47):
I mean, my nigga, everything is everything you want the
music business, you what? Everything is crazy?
Speaker 1 (51:55):
But oh, I was going to ask you if you
had to, like say, like a tree that you're on
for fans, like, oh, if you're a fan of this
and this, you a fuck with Marco? Like what who
are you picking?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
You're a fan of Kendrick lamar And.
Speaker 1 (52:16):
And Drake, you would like Marco plus And if you
had to create a Marco Plus, start a kit.
Speaker 4 (52:25):
Like these are these are the records for you to
get to know me?
Speaker 2 (52:30):
Okay, uh gotta start out with Lately because people love
that song out my way I love music so much,
probably Solace and and Hell yeah yeah, Clode at Tea.
Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah, and what's your favorite product of favorite song off
this new project falling right now?
Speaker 2 (53:03):
I can't even lie.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
That ships so motherfucker's mooth like and it sounds better
being out. I love when music sounds like better out
that shit. Caldes, Fuck dude, I'll be like, yo, I
put my foot in this.
Speaker 2 (53:15):
It's every raw, got the little argument in it.
Speaker 4 (53:20):
Yeah, and you know it's a good record when you're
not even in that scenario, but you still like the record.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
You know, people because people love toxicity.
Speaker 4 (53:32):
Yeah, people love talking from Its true.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
That's how that's why R and B exists today.
Speaker 4 (53:38):
Boom Yeah, let's not keep pushing that narrative.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Please look all right, hey, can we get back there
saying about how you miss her? Yes, like Lenny Williams,
ain't doing ain't sure your niggas nothing.
Speaker 4 (53:48):
Like come on man, yeah man, I'm over it, and
give me some motherfucking bounce.
Speaker 3 (53:52):
I'm tired of this, And same for their fucking diaphragm
and not your fucking nose.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
Yes, ps a, your niggas is not raged a.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Shout out to radio ray J.
Speaker 2 (54:03):
He the only news sound, singing through his nose. I
read my last two wait and keeth sweat, I'm sorry,
go ahead.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
After my first rap check, I bought.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I don't remember, okay, probably some white Ones.
Speaker 4 (54:25):
And then my favorite album of all time is.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Marco Plus versus the Underworld. Nah, at ali is a
Quemini Go ahead, baby, Butterfly. Yes, nothing was the same
twenty fourteen for us, his drive almost there about lucky
(54:52):
thriller controversy, Prince, if I'm not mistaken, Yeah, bro, it's
a lot of ship, don't you. That's a that's a
loaded question. That's a very loaded question. That ships so wild.
Oh my goodness, I love music so much. At Aliens
(55:14):
is behind you? What's the four one one is behind you?
You got some ship behind you?
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Oh my god? What's the four to one one? Is
such a good album? Brow My mom used to play
that in the whip on repeat like she was sad. Yeah,
like she needed real love. Yes she had, she was married,
but what well she's not with the same person no more.
But I will say, yeah, so I guess she didn't.
Speaker 4 (55:40):
Need You could relate to a time when you didn't
that's what. That's why we like the toxic record Falling.
Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, exactly, Like I'm in.
Speaker 4 (55:48):
A great place for my love life, but Falling is
still relatable.
Speaker 2 (55:51):
Yeah, yeah, yeah on God. Yeah, hey, I'm happy you
like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (55:58):
Yeah, I'm a fan.
Speaker 1 (56:01):
What else I wanted to ask before we get out
of here? Oh oh oh, you've been definitely embraced by
Jit a lot.
Speaker 2 (56:08):
Yeah, my boy.
Speaker 4 (56:10):
Yes, everybody thinks that you're on that project. You are
on the project though, right.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
I'm I'm I'm I'm on work. I helped with the
hook of Work.
Speaker 4 (56:18):
I did some things on there, the first single.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, I did some stacks and watch me work fire.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
I love seeing embrace you and you are touring this year.
That okay, what is it being out?
Speaker 2 (56:34):
We can't talk about that's not being out.
Speaker 4 (56:37):
This ain't coming out for like another three weeks.
Speaker 2 (56:39):
Oh off for real?
Speaker 4 (56:41):
Oh, nigga, unless you wanted to come out sooner.
Speaker 2 (56:45):
I know when it's being announced.
Speaker 4 (56:47):
What do you want it to come out sooner? So
then we could just skip that question.
Speaker 3 (56:52):
I ain't gonna be cool this shit you can drop
in three weeks, but like, yeah, I think it should
be announced.
Speaker 2 (57:01):
The nineteenth maybe okay, but I'm doing the West Coast dates.
Speaker 4 (57:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Yeah, it's gonna be fun.
Speaker 4 (57:10):
That's gonna be so fun.
Speaker 2 (57:12):
Very very very much fun. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm. I
don't know. Man, getting kind of overwhelmed thinking about serious.
Speaker 4 (57:21):
Don't overthink. You're already and you're doing what needs to
be done. That's why you're there.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
Yeah, man, shout g that's a real guy sho shouts.
Speaker 3 (57:31):
You know, without them characters, man, without them niggas, Yeah,
she would be looking weird for you right now.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
I literally don't know what I'd be doing if I
wasn't rapping.
Speaker 4 (57:42):
So yeah, amen. Marco Plus Versus the Underworld out now.
Speaker 3 (57:48):
Yeah, Hey, Marco plus versus Down the World out now
featuring Smino, Cocash and jigs and Yeah.
Speaker 4 (57:57):
Great kind feature by the way, Great that's what Yeah?
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Great?
Speaker 4 (58:02):
Yeah, great cod feature.
Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah you ain't buried me, no, nigga.
Speaker 1 (58:07):
Yo, shout out with your gram Let everybody know where
to follow you if they don't already.
Speaker 2 (58:11):
Uh Plus No, that's I was gonna say my email.
I judged too much.
Speaker 3 (58:15):
Uh. Instagram, it's mark All plus TikTok Twitter, not Marko
plus Music everywhere, Marko plus Marco plus Resident in the
World out now, fuck the Free World.
Speaker 4 (58:29):
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Speaker 1 (58:35):
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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