Debate Us, You Cowards

Robert, Katy and Cody are finally talking about one of the three thousand democratic debates.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart
Radio Everything. Wow. We welcome to the best show that

(00:23):
is on right now in your ears where ever. Cover
is Damn speaking from Washington, d C. I'm Cody Johnston.
I'm Katie Stole. I am livid at how Cody botched
that introduction. Yeah, I mean, you didn't really help things
by talking over him as he did it. It was
gonna be great. I was going to stick the landing.

(00:44):
But honestly, guys, c minus to you both, right. You
know it's cost us today. It's cost us today. But
the harder I am on Cody, the better he's going
to get it. Introducing this podcast, we're really mad at
introducing podcast. Robert shut up a hit for like four minutes.

(01:10):
That wasn't the last podcast you're on. Speaking of which,
I have a lot of Hitler thoughts today. If we
want to good, start this episode about the Democratic debates
with some Hitler talk. Welcome to the Worst Deer Ever
Podcasts Hitler Talk. All right, I'm gonna get this train

(01:30):
under control here. Uh this week you're talking about last
week's Democratic debate. Now, why are we talking about it today?
Several days after the debate. Good question, it's because we
haven't done that yet, and where we are an election
podcast and we haven't talked about Uh, that's true. We

(01:53):
have not talked about the debate. We've talked about them
on our show is Robert, but not here on the
worst year ever, and it's about goddamn time. Katie. I
want to applaud you for finding such an eloquent way
of saying we didn't know what else to make this
week's episode about the debate. I mean, really well done.
It's just so that everyone knows I'm moving this week.

(02:15):
It's stressful. This seemed like a good but also the
other things I said, but also, yeah, that's true, a
little less prep work. Um, I did request a debate,
and Sophie requests We've been talking about it for a while.
It's time. The primaries are actually in full swell, not
full swing. Yeah, they are there and they're swinging full swing.

(02:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah, um so yeah, it's it's time. Do
you guys think that we've stalled enough and we should
start talking about the debates or do we want to
stall some more? What was your day? I want to
talk about Tom Stire well, and I think It's time
we get started. Um cool, let's talk about the debates
last week. I how did you guys like? No, let's

(02:59):
let's start by talking about the handidates. Who do you
think did well? Um? I I I really want to
hear what Robert was about to say. I. I'm never
going to vote for him because I don't think his
actual policies are very good or at all where they
need to be. But Andrew Yang can answer a motherfucking question,

(03:20):
you know what. I completely agree. UM. I was really
impressed by him. Again, I'm the same boat as you.
I'm not going to vote for him. I I don't
think his policies some of them are. He has interesting ideas,
but they aren't. They don't. They don't hit home for me.
But respect the hell out of that guy. You can
answer a question. He speaks to the route a lot,
which I think is important. He made a lot of

(03:42):
great for a guy who I know is a committed
capitalist business owner. Um. He was the most explicitly critical
of American capitalism of anyone. Really interesting, and the stuff
that he's saying is important and true. Uh. You know again,

(04:02):
we've talked about him in the past. You know automation,
everything that he's talking about in the effects of technology. Yeah,
I think he does oversimplify things a little sometimes, Like
I like it he talks about like the Trump not
being a the problem but rather the symptom. I guess
I love that moment. He said that before, and I

(04:23):
think it's important to always come back to that and
point that out. But also after after the baby said
something about how like, yeah, we've we've lost like X
amount of manufacturing jobs. That's what we got Donald Trump,
And it's like, that's not that's oversimplifying and that's not
and I do understand a factors. But that's a talking

(04:43):
point for him that works well with his campaign. I
mean it's he's the only one to talking about automation politics. Um. Yeah,
that's not a I give you a pass. It's politics.
It's just like, yeah, that's the game. But I do
appreciate him up there. Um, it's very Uh, he's very likable.
He answers questions really well. Um. He seems to be

(05:06):
going out of his way to be friendly at every
with everyone, which I guess considering his like actual level
of support, make makes sense. It's the it's the way
to go. Um, he might just be very nice, really nice.
Like two debates ago, I think he was talking about
how he misses Corey Booker, and I believe that he
and Corey Booker had a lot of fun. Uh do

(05:27):
it like backstage debates? Also, the day after the caucuses
or a couple of days Iowa Caucuses, I loved his tweet.
It was something along the lines of it's looking like
Bernie one um looking forward Tom, And it was like,
that's it was because it was true. That's nice, but

(05:47):
it was true and accurate and simple. It wasn't yeah,
I um. I didn't think. I started this very critical
of Andrew Yang, and I think some of that was
unfair because he attracted a lot of ironic fascists who
like him because they wanted a thousand dollars a month.
And that's not his fault, um, but it did definitely
color some of mine. And I hate I hate the

(06:10):
math pen. I do hate the man. I I don't
like his his um, his ads but I don't really
like anybody's adsum, even Bernis. They're a little cloying to me. Um.
I just don't like ads um. You don't like that
Bloomberg ad or the other Bloomberg ad or the other
Bloomberg ado Bloomberg makes Cody, what what Bloomberg makes are

(06:32):
not ads? They are messages. There's a message message arts. Yeah. Yeah,
he's talking about the Buddha judge plenty bold type ads
that I do. I it was that was sort of
a let them fight moment for me. It's like, Okay,
I have no problem with this UM. But for Yang

(06:56):
number one, I am now understanding why the people who
love him do so with such um fervor. Because he's
very likable. You don't run across that a lot. And
he's positive, he's um and I I find myself surprised
by how excited I am. I'm not going to vote
for him, and I don't believe he has any chance

(07:17):
of becoming the presidential candidate. I am excited for the
future of his political career, and I hope that he
continues to evolve and like one of the one of
my critiques of him is um, I'm very much in
favor of something like you b I UM. One of
the major problems you b I would encounter is that
it would cause a massive escalation in rent prices because
landlords would jack up rent and it would could eat

(07:37):
up most, if not all, if not more than all,
of what people actually get from U B I. And
so there needs to be a comprehensive rent control program.
And all that Yang has on his site about it
right now that I've found at least, you know, I'm
not gonna say I dug super deep, but I found
other of his fans online complaining about this is that
most of what he's had to say is talking about
like zoning and changing zoning to reduce the price of housing,

(08:00):
but he's been very vague about how he would do that.
And if you look at the site, San Francisco as
an example, in San Francisco has reduced housing prices somewhat
in the last couple of years as a result with
him owning changes, but the change has been very modest
and have not really worked to alleviate the massive problems
of of that that that place has because of the
high cost of living. UM So I think a I

(08:22):
would like to see and Andrew Yang with four eight,
twelve more years because he's a pretty young guy of
working on policy and maybe working in a cabinet position
at some point doing that to see, Yeah, I would
very much like I could see if he if he
has the consistency, if he if he really is as
good a guy as he seems to be, and he
has the consistency of beliefs with someone like Sanders, and

(08:45):
I think evolves more and develops a more effective, like
a more fully fleshed platform. I am excited to see
where this guy's political career could have. Yeah, um, I
I agree with so much of what you just said. Um,
how do you guys klobaschar did? Because CNN thinks that
she landed some punches? Is that a Salissa article? Do

(09:07):
you have a Crystaliza article over? Do? I? No, I
don't alright, I just want to say real quick, I
love his articles because they're always like the most likely
results of the next primary, and it's like five items
and it's like Bernie wins, Elizabeth gets second or third
or fourth, Pete gets first or second or third or fourth,

(09:28):
and it's just like posting a few different combinations. It's amazing.
I can't believe he still exists. But anyway, what did
they have to say about Amy? Um? So I know
I did see my first Amy for America sign in
Los Angeles. Are you now Sophie, you had had you

(09:51):
had enough water? Are you certain that was not a mirrage?
A lot of people who see Amy Klobachar signs who
are in fact dying in the desert. She looks hydrated. Okay,
she's taking a sip. All right. This is what NN.
This is what CNN had to say about Globe Shar
really reliable news sources. Yep, Global Shar continue to do

(10:12):
what's allowed her to become a finalist in the field
that started with two dozen candidates. Turning in another of
a string of strong debate performances. Okay, she landed the
punches she came in to deliver. She called Buddha judges
experience into Christion. She cast doubt on Sanders electability, and
she knocked Styre for his lack of government experience. Does
that is that? What cows? Is a good debate performance? Katie?

(10:36):
I have a have a story, did a series of things.
I have a couple of young couple of young uh cousins,
and um, when I hang out with them, they like
to pretend to be superheroes. You know, Marvel's big these days,
and UM, I have a lot of enjoyment. And when
they throw a punch, reacting as if I have been

(10:57):
knocked through the sky and flying back onto a aut
or something. They enjoy it. I enjoy it, and I
think Amy Klobuchar landed punches in that same kind of
punch that Amy Klobuchar landed. I just don't understand why
we pretend like she's the strongest, like she's actually making waves.
I mean, I know that there are people are that

(11:17):
like her, probably not very many of you then listen
to our show, But like Amy Klobascher doesn't think she's
going to get the nomination. You know, I don't think
she does. Um, yeah, I'm positive because I'm read minds.
I mean, Sanna has a very childish view of these
kinds of events and politics in general. Um, I think

(11:39):
that maybe she's like I think she's going forth. Also,
I think that a lot of her I think a
lot of where she's at right now is just let's
make sure that Pete doesn't get the nomination. Like I
think that she hates Pete more than more than both
of our listeners, more than us in this room, more

(11:59):
than anyone else on that stage. What makes you say
that she keeps springing it up? She keeps bringing up
how much she dislikes me. She keeps poking him about
having no experience, um, and just sort of showing up randomly. Um.
She does like a lot of like side digs at him. Um.
And I think that she because she is she's uh

(12:22):
an actually experienced, like serious version of Pete. Like she's like,
I'm the moderate candidate. I'm not Joe Biden. Thank god,
she's a centrist who's done things. Yeah, they're like, it's
like she is, uh, she's the role that think Biden
and Peter both playing of like I'm moderate. Yeah, I
mean she's They're all vying for that same demographic. Um,

(12:46):
how about Tom Steyer. I feel like maybe we're gonna
talk about Biden and Bernie Judge performance in the context
of some of the stories that happened in this and
don't forget Warren of course, and Warren I have the
something critical to add. Please Rob just we're going to
get to that. I just thought of what we should

(13:09):
call Cloba chart fans. What okay? And again this is
as in the word shard, as in like the shards
of a shattered thing, Cloba shards. It sounds like clo
shards like it does like like the people like when
you ship your pants. Yeah, it sounds like that was
that was largely largely intentional, right, because either it's either

(13:35):
it's tried to fart but actually ship your pants, or
it's you're like a broken piece of something that's not great.
That that that was the you're my favorite clochart headline
from today Clay Aiken primary. Why I'm changing my vote
from Joe Biden. That's the demographic exact she got. She

(13:59):
got the can vote. It's because it's because of that
performance on Friday, and that's that's what And her performance
in Iowa um did better. I think that a lot
of people thought she's surging, and I think that again.
I think it's everyone wants an alternative to Joe Biden.
They're they're looking for like we want, we want. These
are great slogans for her campaign. Amy Kloba shar did

(14:24):
better than you thought. Then he would have thought Amy
close close, Oh my god, Amy Clover shark better than Biden.
Can vote? She got, she got the vote. My god.

(14:44):
The that's I mean, you could be the comes down
to true guys. Yeah, much much as the much as
the two thousand eight election came. Well. I think that
as vote, even even without the power of his celebrity,
his vote counts for I think people one vote from

(15:05):
him is different. We don't say it enough, but there
would have been no Iraq war without Clay aco about
I feel like the listener take nothing else out of
this podcast. The Iraq War is entirely Clay Aikin's fault. Yeah,
I want to talk about Styre. I actually was appreciated
some of the points he made, and I think we'll
talk about this a little bit later when we talk

(15:27):
about that section. But I really liked how we kept
bringing it back to race. What did he say at
one point where he was like, we have not said
a single word tonight about diversity, Are you kidding me?
And it was, yeah, you haven't, It hasn't, hasn't brought
up at all, And it's it's simultaneously, yes, I'm glad
you brought that up. Just I'm very glad you're talking
about reparations on like the floor of a major party debate. Um,

(15:52):
I would be lying if I said it wasn't a
little bit awkward that the whitest man ever born is
the one making these points. He did the right thing.
It's especially in the plaid tie Tom Styre, because he
is saying those kinds of things, and it's very very
clear he wants desperately to be Bernie Sanders friend. UM.

(16:12):
And there's a lot of climate change, is a lot
of a lot of left leaning things that he talks about.
And it's very odd because he's a billionaire and he
like I like him more than Pete and that's weird.
In a sane and reasonable political system, Tom Stire would

(16:34):
be a moderate Tom Steyer would be the Joe Biden.
He would be in the middle of the road Democrat.
That's not what we're working with. UM. I don't know
if we'll get to this later, but no, I say
it now, UM I I really appreciate it. Well. I've
said it on this show before. To One of the
things that I like about Bernie is that he voted
against UM this trade deal because it doesn't incorporate UH

(16:59):
climate And I liked how Tom Styre called that out.
I agree with my best friend, Bernie, I mean, and
he was he was said it right too, because he's like,
it's not that I don't put a priority on securing
the best deal for our citizens, for our workers. But
I think we've got more leverage if we also uh

(17:21):
more leverage on the climate if we also include that
as part of the of the deal. And people up
there trying to dismiss him, but I think that that's
a very good point. Yeah. And sometimes yeah, and I
you know, the idea of like, well, we voted for
this because you've got to have something like that. Sometimes
you gotta vote no. Yeah. I mean I think that
that moment was pretty potent because I think that the
people up there, including a warrant who you know, I like, um,

(17:45):
we're kind of stuck. Yeah. Yeah, Well it illustrates it,
like what he's fighting for and that he's willing to
take that stand, um, even when it's not popular, except
for with Tom Steyer. Um. I also did do you
want to say that I appreciated Bernie unprompted bringing up

(18:05):
the Muslim concentration camps in China. Yeah. Uh, no, one
brought it up. It wasn't part of the question. He
just it's something that's on his mind. Yeah. The other
thing we should talk about before we go to a
break is the fact that Elizabeth Warren didn't get very
much speaking time, especially at the beginning. Yeah, the beginning,
specially for getting third and I um yeah she was.

(18:29):
She got the fifth most speaking time and got his
number three in the election right now, Yeah, Biden got
the most speaking time overwhelmingly again despite also like rambling
on and being like I'm out of time, someone else
talk please, um, despite I would say four um, yet

(18:50):
they still give him, give him that. Just how your
position is evolved from last week when you called it
a strong fourth. Yeah, well it's because of that backstreets
back alright video. If you guys haven't seen this, you
know what. Actually, guys, we're going to We're going to
right here, Daniel edit in edit in twenty seconds or

(19:11):
so of that, so you can listen to this. We
had to and you have to. Now I would describe
it as love crafty in so you guys enjoy that.
After that, we're going to have a break for ads
and then we're gonna come back. We're gonna talk about
more stuff. Are you Are we all clear on the plan? Yes? Yes,

(19:34):
ye ever, I'm we're back. We're back, and uh, I
want to address the elephant in the room, which is

(19:55):
that there's a slight time delay because I am a
continent away and um, I don't want anyone to let
me off easy for it, attack me, cancel me, tear
me apart online. Really what I want is your theories
about what this means about Katie and Cody and I
his relationship, um, and and the intricacies that you, uh

(20:17):
you puzzle out from the fact that you're so far
away from us. Yeah. Yeah, read as much into it
as you possibly can us. I am wondering if after
Daniel edits this, anybody will even be able to know, right,
So there's that let us know if you could tell
that he was a continent away. Mhmm. You're never a

(20:39):
continent away in my heart. Thank you, Cody, thank you.
But you know who was a continent away from the
hearts of the debate moderators was Elizabeth Warren, who basically
didn't talk for like the first hour. Bring it back afterwards,
I know. Yeah, but now we're not going to talk

(21:00):
about it, Yeah, because we got the transition right and
now we're doing Yeah, I have nothing to say about Okay,
well we did address it before the break, but yeah,
I agree, I appreciate that. Reminding that, I mean, Cody
and I watched it live, whereas you and Robert didn't,
and like halfway through Cody I both like, wait, like
she was right there, Yeah, very fresh. It was interesting. Yeah,

(21:23):
so this sort of has to do with I think
that it was I would say one of the more
substantive debates that have existed so far. UM. I think
part of that is because there are a few people,
but even the moderators I thought did like a better
job than a lot of the hacks that usually do it.
Is that because they were coming for Pete. Well no,

(21:45):
so they weren't. I didn't think aside from that one
exchange that was amazing that we'll get to. Um. But
like up top and I think Sophie we talked about
that too while we're watching off Like, it was very
clear that they were like, we're gonna it's all in
on attacking Bernie Sanders right now, but just the beginning. Yeah,
but I think that the tone of the party. Yeah,
they they tried to do that, but everyone on stage

(22:07):
wouldn't let them. The moderators tried to shoot on Bernie,
and then everyone on stage's approach was like, hey, we
can we like Bernie. Yeah. Within three minutes there was
the question, is anyone concerned about having a democratic socialist
on the top of the Yeah, exactly. Of course they
asked that that's a shocking question to lead with. I'm

(22:28):
not saying that they didn't. I'm just saying I was
pleased that as the debate because in the past it's
been throughout the debate and I and I definitely felt
that shift um this this time, right, they tried up
top UM would assume also because like, well, they know
that people are gonna watch for at the very beginning
at least, so they're going to see the that part.

(22:51):
But I just appreciated, Yeah, that the other candidates on stage,
We're like, now, we're not going to do that this time.
I liked the Biden Bernie hug. Yeah, I was going
to save this. But let's talk about the friendship of
all of these candidates repeatedly. Robert made this point in
our text threat and I had the same thought. It
was like so many of them saying like, well, we're friends,

(23:12):
really are you? Like do you guys, do you guys
have each other over for dinner and like play poker
on the weekend, smoke cigars. I don't think so, I
know it and I would love to see video of
like Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders just like doing coke
getting wasted in Vegas and Russia. That that is, That's

(23:36):
what Tom Steyer wants is just like one weekend Bernie.
He's gonna write a memoir after all of this, and
he honestly, what are my motivating reasons for getting the debate?
I was hoping it makes some solid friendships, you know,

(23:57):
if not now when? Um? Yeah, But but the bigger
point being that they're dead seem to be an emphasis
on civility and bridging the gap and not having quite
as much acrimony until the next morning. Until the next
morning was like, actually, fuck Pete. Is that a direct quote? No?
His ad was just amazing comparing their careers and accomplishments

(24:22):
and together. It was very, very funny. It's a good
ad because these people are all politicians, and because other
than Tom Styre, I don't really trust that most of
them desperately want to be friends. I do believe Tom
Steyer would would take a bullet for Bernie. Um. I'm
trying to think of, like strategically, why everyone was so

(24:44):
nice to him and refused to take the bait because
he is the front runner by any reasonable persons, You
could argue Pete. But if you look at the other
the way the other why they were so nice to Bernie. Yeah,
I've got an chose not to take debate. Maybe they
want to be VP. Yeah, that that is that that's
one very good theory that they want to They see

(25:04):
where the wind is blowing. They've accepted that they think
he's gonna win. Um. Another option is, um, you know,
they looked at what happened when the Sanders and Warren
campaigns had a spat and what happened to Warren's numbers,
and are like scared of pissing off Bernie's fans. That's
another possibility. Um. Another possibility is, for some reason, enough

(25:28):
of them are deluded enough that they actually don't think
he's going to win and think Pete might and want
to cut Pete down to size and like still think
they have chances. Like, I don't know. I think it's
probably a combo of all of those, you know, like
even if a hedging of bets. Sure, yeah, I mean

(25:49):
you make a great point. I see what Bernie's fans
do online. Yes, that's a great point. Robert anyway, I know,
I know, I know. But he's talking about how that
Chuck Todd going on his show and calling them brown
shirts on talking about how the backlash online and everything
affected Warren's numbers. And it's a good point. Um, but

(26:13):
like I'm saying, but also, yeah, cut Pete down because
he's posing a little bit of a threat right now. Sorry, Robert,
you know, Katie, it's um. You know, I'm just thinking
about your initial answer because it's a mark of how
fucking cynical I am that I didn't consider they all
just might be wanting to be vice president. Um, Like
I had to think that there was like either something

(26:35):
dumb or sinister, like oh yeah, maybe they're just they've
just accepted that he's gonna win and they're angling. They're
doing the thing that you do. Maybe this is going
to be a normal election where the guy who clearly
has the momentum everyone lines up behind. I really yeah,
but they lined up behind because they want something from him. Um.
They're politicians, Yeah, politicians, And maybe it's different for the

(26:57):
different candidates on stage. I don't think Amy klobish Art
thinks she's got a shot at VP with Bernie administration. Um, yeah, yeah,
very but Pete is a more direct threat to her.
Styre and Yang maybe I don't know. I doubt they
like him. Yeah. I think there's a mix of like,
I genuinely like him and I'm maneuvering right now. Do

(27:19):
you guys think that there's a world where Warren would
be his VP? I used to think so, but after
this whole thing, I don't know what the optics would
look like. Man, they were definitely at least she was trying,
very clearly trying to repair some bridges. Um today or
I think I think it's still a possibility. Um, I

(27:40):
think it may be less of a possibility. Like I
don't think she would ever pick him? Um, I don't
agree with that. Yeah, I think that well, because I
think that she would probably lean more towards getting like
a someone from another wing of the party, maybe like
not Tim Caine, that bad example, but like someone a
little more moderate than her, maybe to sort of shore

(28:01):
up that. Or Castro. I think, oh yeah, I think
Castro would be an amazing He would probably be here picked.
I'm excited for a Bernie presidency. I'm not gonna pretend
like I am not. I I support him. I've donated
as much money to him as I have more to
him than I have to warrant actually. Um, but I
mean I still love her and I would love a

(28:22):
warrn Castro ticket. Yeah. UM, but I think that I
think that I think that he it's still a possibility. UM.
I think that the like the the rift, the perceived
rift that happened, um and all of that drama. Intention
I think, um, people are very like emotional about it.
But I think also like, well, it's politics, and I
think that, uh, I don't know. I think it's still

(28:44):
a possibility that he would pick her, um because I
think that it would it would definitely unite uh that
wing of the party. UM. And I think that obviously
she's not like she's not the enemy. UM. I think
people perceive her that way now because they see him
as the front runner and her is sort of like
siphoning off some of that support and making it harder
and easier for people like Pete and so on. Um.

(29:07):
But I think that verse is true, reverse is also true. UM.
I don't think I was just taking much of Peze's support.
But I think that like if if it was decided
that was going to be the case. I think they

(29:27):
would run away with it, like I think it would
be something that I wouldn't even worry about at that.
Well we should, I mean, yeah, obviously get out there,
knock knock on those doors. Should we do it? Should
do the thing? Talk about Pete? Do edge? Can we not?
I'm just kidding, of course we have to. Okay, let's

(29:50):
talk about the Mighty booge Peanut butter jugs. Peanut butter jugs,
that's the nickname, peanut guys, Peanut butter jugs, that's what
we're calling. Mum, Mr Pete. What do you want to
say about Mr Pete today? I don't know. Um, I'm
just so tired of it all Um. I appreciated that

(30:12):
Andy hates him so much and uh it. I appreciated
that one exchange where he was asked about the arrests
of black people in his uh city is town. I'll
say this, it's still surprising to me that people don't
know about that story. People are still like, what are

(30:33):
you talking about? Why is this? There's a lot of
stuff about that about his time there that people don't
know about. I was I was actually surprised in the
Biden ad that they kind of mentioned it a little
bit um when mostly they're talking about like all the
little chintzy like oh he put lights in the fountain
kind of stuff. I'm not sure if this is the
exchange that you're speaking about, but i'll throw it out there. Um.

(30:54):
There was this one incident where the moderator brought up
the rise in African American UH incarcerations the year that
he became air and how it's increased, and Pete tried
to kind of talk his way around it, and then
she was just like, no, you haven't addressed the point.

(31:15):
What I'm saying is that it literally has gone up
the year you came into office, and it was a
pretty important moment. Did I do this justice to private properly? Yeah?
He His reaction instantly was to lie um and say, well,
that's not what happened. She was like, well, no, here
it is. It is what happened. And then he was
like yeah, yeah, and it's a problem and we have
to fix this. Well, but he tied it. So he

(31:36):
tied it to basically it went up because of it
was marijuana and gang That's right, That's what he said. Um, yeah,
and I'm gonna pose it that that's a terrible way
to frame it and bad you think you don't think
blaming the reefer is is a good move in a

(31:58):
democratic primary, like sort of framing like there's around that reef,
like maybe that I'm gonna go ahead and say, I
think the key to winning the selection is going to
be demonizing marijuana. If there's one thing that unites Americans,
it's not wanting marijuana specific specifically related to a specific community. Um,
that's over policed, um, and then tying it to gang

(32:21):
violence in South Bend, Indiana, Pete UM. And I also
it wasn't directly related to this moment, but pretty close
to it. I love my Elizabeth. Well. Then the moderator
turned to her and said, do you think Pete's answer
was sufficient? And she was like, no, that was that
was That was a good moment. That love it. Whenever

(32:44):
one of them gets asked a direct question about someone
like is particularly Pete fucking up and not answering and
like they're like, no, we fucking didn't answer it, Like yeah,
I love it. That was a weird Uh did they
do that a lot? I've never noticed something like that
of lie. Was that answer good? Yeah? And it's interesting
that it's happened to her. So the last debate, it

(33:05):
was they asked about Bernie and then he answered, and
then she comes and then they turned to her and
go like, what do you think about that? What we disagree?
You know, like and then putting them on a spot,
like really teeing them up to do a Yeah, it
was a weird tea up. I guess why at like
and he got answered the question. No, I know, I
just have never noticed that sort of framing from moderator.

(33:28):
I don't know if it's because I'm paying attention to
Warrant specifically that I noticed it more with her um,
which is could absolutely be true. It's strange, it felt.
I also jumped out at me and I thought, is
this normal? Yeah, pined my brain, but I thought it
was a great moment. Yeah, bad answer, Pete. He does.
He continues to do the thing that I his the

(33:48):
people who support him want him to do, which is
say comforting things about unity and moving America forward and
more than anything else, bringing America like the thing that
Pete is is the candidate of. We can get over
this partisanships, partisanship and go back to all not caring
that much about politics. Like, that's what Pete boutage, that's

(34:10):
the Pete Boudhagage promise, is like we can get through
the Trump years and go back to, um, you know,
liking our presidents. Yeah, it's mostly empty platitudes and nonsense
that aren't really saying much of anything. Yeah, together mad
Lib sentences strung together that are very generic. I mean

(34:30):
they talked. They addressed this point blank in the debate,
actually because of some comment that he had made about
not even wanting to turn on the impeachment. Um oh
yeah whatever, yeah, And then Amy Klobachar was like, well, no,
some of us care deeply about what's happening. Um uh,

(34:52):
all of it's just politics. Of course, you're misinterpreting what
he's saying. But also, yeah, that is what he's selling.
It is we're tired of this. We don't want I'm relatable.
We're all tired of this monster in the office. We're
tired of this drama. Why can't it go back to
being easy? And people aren't scrutinizing us so closely? Right,
So stop thinking about to stop looking into all this

(35:13):
stuff so I can present my medicare for all who
wanted that the penalty for not having insurance is seven
thousand dollars. The man, like the man from Obamacare, his
plan bumps it up by like six grand unbelievable. I
do so on this note, I think, um, I think weirdly,

(35:37):
Marian Williamson has um uh no, but she nailed it.
So basically, there's this uh, this reporter who was tweeting
about they're canvassing. So I spoke to a Bernie supporter
who became a hardcore Mary Anne stand and is now
firmly in Buddha judges Camp. I tried to convince her

(35:59):
that pe have no Maryanne energy, but to no avail.
So her response to this tweet was if you have
that person's phone number, I will call them myself. And
then she immediately this quote. I haven't endorsed anyone, because
there's more than one good progressive and everyone has to
vote their conscience. But I submit to my supporters that

(36:21):
someone with no real agenda and no real vision for
our country beyond a vague notion of inclusion, is nothing
but a corporate tool. End of What the fuck? How
is that? How did that happen? She's very passionate about
Pete Judge apparently, apparently he might be the one to

(36:45):
bring us all together. He really is. It's very interesting
that everybody wants him to stop, except for you know,
all the people who vote for him. Yeah. Yeah, everybody
does seem to want I mean not everybody obviously. Um yeah,
it's speaking of of tweets and Buddha Judge. Ken Clippenstein
retweeted this today or yesterday, I don't know, And we've

(37:06):
talked about it before, but god, it's so beautiful. Pete
Buddha Judge February gosh. Okay, I, Pete Buddha Judge, politician,
do henceforth and forth with declare most affirmatively and indubitably
unto the ages that I do favor Medicare for all,
as I do favor any measure that would help get
all Americans covered. Now, if you'll excuse me, potholes weight, Yeah,

(37:30):
it's working. But I love because like the the whole
reason to say it that way, for that to be
the way you frame it is because the point you're
making is that like, of course I want medicare for all,
And how stupid of any of you to like ask
and like it. And then yeah, no, I wasn't. I

(37:50):
wasn't going to bring it up, but you know, the
tweets and Peter in the Peatie talkies also like it's
funny because like this, that's the point. Yeah, of course
i'd do. I'm you know there here, I'm straight shooter,
but also literally says like I politician, Like, come on, man,
why would why would you lead with that? Yeah, he's

(38:11):
he's evolved, He's evolved his position. I just like most
affirmatively and indubitably unto the ages. I mean, that's that
sounds like it has been written, so it shall be.
But yeah, are there any other Pete. I'm just I'm
just dealing with the almost physical um like like it's

(38:34):
almost like being punched, the amount of shock that comes
from respecting Mary Anne Williamson for something. It was amaze, amazing.
That's a great answer. That is that like really well
worded and phrase. It says everything without like explicitly. So good.
Do you guys have any other debate moments to discuss

(38:54):
before we take another break? No, I would just I
enjoy And I think I tweeted this um and this
preceded the exchange that we talked about. UM, I enjoy
whenever Pete has asked a question that makes him visibly gulp,
where you can you can see the fear in his
eyes and you can watch him swallow very deliberately because

(39:15):
he is dreading what is about to happen, because because
he is a lying little shrewdagg Yes, thank you, Robert.
That is really good. I mean it's mean, but it's good.
It's good. Hey, it's it's softer than rat, you know, struggling,
because like all of the nicknames that come easily to

(39:36):
his name are like but jokes, and you don't want
anyone to think that I'm like like doing like a
gay joke, like no, no, no, yeah, So I just
I've steered clear but shrewd agge. I feel good about
I feel like I've landed on a winner. Although that
also got him. Yeah yeah, we got him to be
like shrewd, though I don't know shrewd. Oh yeah, that
could be something spun. He's a shrewd. He's very shrewd

(39:58):
to jedge exactly. Yeah. Oh, I thought we're gonna do
like a Dwight shrewt think and I think there's that
hite if there's a Dwight of this election yes, yes, absolutely,
assistant to the Bernie Sanders. Ah, yes, the Dwight to
Bernie's gym. Al right, guys, we're gonna take a really

(40:20):
quick break and then we're gonna come back. We're gonna
talk about more things, probably Biden, Joe Biden. While you wait,
grab a cold broutage, edge everything. So don't don't. We're back, Sorry,

(40:43):
I we sure are. We're back as hell. Um. So
Robert wanted me to start. He wants me to start
on the fact that Pete is now running on the
I'm the only candidate on those debate stages in this
race among the major candidates who's not a millionaire or
a billionaire. And sorry, Chocolate, I thought you were on

(41:05):
me talking for a little bit longer. I'm not a
host of the show. Okay. So here's a couple of
things about Pete saying this thing. First of I love
couples of things. First of all, Yeah, but like you've
got billionaires, like lots of billionaires donated your campaign. Um,
it's not about your like personal net worth. It's about

(41:26):
what you stand for and who is fighting for you
and who is donating. Trying to paint yourself as the
guy that doesn't have the backing of big money is
grotesquely misleading. It's wild that he's like trying to maneuver
through this and present himself like that. Because also even
like today, all these Goldman Sacks executives came out this

(41:48):
in this article being like, Yeah, I really like Pete.
We're gonna back Pete. He's got the backing of the
people he's trying to claim he is not. So I
don't know Pete. Um, it's like with the Okay, Bertie
Stayers has three million dollars, okay, but like Bernie Sanders
has all these working class people donating to them. So
take that into consideration. Bernie Sanders has what I would

(42:08):
say is an achievable amount of wealth for someone of
his generation and age to have gotten. I have known
a lot of people who by the time they were
in their seventies and they're fortunate people, but they're not.
You're not a plutocrat at that right, Like you're You're
somebody who lived in upper middle class life and um

(42:29):
was very good about where you put your money and
also bought a house at the right time. You butt
a house at the right moment. You're still someone who's
fundamentally lived in the same world as the rest of us. Yes,
three million dollars at the age of seventies. Something isn't
I have been I have always been in the clouds
and I can no longer remember the ground. Um right, Okay,

(42:52):
I think we've we've talked about Pete a lot, and
not to say that we can't talk about him some more.
But I'd like to talk about Biden. So can we
talk about minor the Biden? And can I say? Can
I say one more thing about Pete? One more thing?
And then I'm done? It is true that Pete Boudaj
is not a millionaire, but he will be. Yes, So
that's the other thing, right, will be with many millions

(43:14):
of dollars what he is going. He's a politician. He
will have millions of dollars. In ten years he will
be a millionaire. Um, so nice, try Pete. I'm sorry,
point taken, Point accepted. Good, let's talk about him. I
bought you guys all matching these shirts. Oh, they say
we're riding with Biden on his website. Don't give him

(43:37):
that money. That's nine to make themselves. No, Sophie, can
we can? We don't spend the money on that, spend
the money on setting up a new line of Bernard
Montgomery Sanders shot JFK on the Glass Knoll with a
man liquor carcano rifle. I think that's the T shirt
to bring America together and then put at the bottom
Biden might be the T shirt that gets us so.

(44:01):
But um, all right, I have one moment that jumped
out at me that I wanted to talk about when
I was like, hey, look here, Jack, I tell you what,
all right, come on sort of Um, we're talking the
gun debate and that and that is something where people
can come for Bernie a little bit about his record,
and Biden, you know, is up there saying that Bernie

(44:24):
should be held accuntable accountable for his past gun votes.
You know, we we we need to be held accountable
for these things, for the things we've done in the past.
And I was like, okeyly do we now, okay, let's
talk about that a bit more and some of your record. Um, yeah,
told Bernie accountable for being slightly less in favor of

(44:46):
gun control than most of the other candidates. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
you want to talk about how Joe Biden is the
reason we have civil asset forfeiture and this nation we
can we don't need to know. That doesn't seem relevant.
A how how? How did you do you want to
talk about how Joe Biden pushed for an assault weapons

(45:09):
band that didn't ban assault weapons because it was written
by people who don't know anything about guns. Sure we
could are about that too. Do you want to uma?
Or have we talked about it enough by mentioning it
at all? Um? How did you guys feel Biden did
up there? I never think Biden does a great job.
I'm just always stressed out watching him talk. Yeah, he

(45:32):
there's a there's this sort of frustrated confusion that he
brings to the stage in his answers, and so oftentimes
when he is asked something, when he talked about something,
I can sense that he's very frustrated and confused. Um,
which I don't think bodes well for any sort of
debate with Donald Trump. Um. But yeah, I don't know.

(45:56):
And also I think he also doesn't necessarily say anything
a lot of times. And I alluded to it by saying, hey,
look here, Jack, He's got a lot of that that energy. Yeah,
look here, Jack. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got
some serious anger management problems. I mean, there's you could
I countless videos of him like shoving his finger in
people's chests. I'm just waiting for the video to drop

(46:20):
of him calling Lily Tomlin sa words. Right. So here's
and here's here's where I met with est guys. Go ahead.
But the one thing that I'm struggling now with Joe
Biden is that he does seem confused and and there's
a frustration that I think he has a lot of um.
And there are a lot of these videos of him

(46:42):
being asked questions by people who are potential voters and
him like man handling them, grabbing their jackets, zipping them up,
for him shoving him with a finger. Recently, he was
asked a question about the Iowa caucus and he said, hey,
have you ever been to a caucus? And she said yes,
and he called her at eying dog face pony soldier.
Now he was doing it in a jokey way. No,

(47:04):
I is it so that one's unfair? Yeah, I mean,
like that's the kind of thing. You know, I'm not
going to I'm gonna give Joe Biden credit. Guy, I
don't like Joe Biden, I don't think he's a good candidate.
But like when I heard that people talk about it
on Twitter, I was like, oh my god, Joe Biden
like like flipped out on some poor girl. And then
when I watched it, I was like, no, that was

(47:24):
like a joking air. The cloud was crowd clearly laughed.
It's a lion. He's used like he was he was
trying to be folksy, and like, I'll tell you what though,
that girl was like a college kident or something. Doubt
she's like from the judgment of deciding to use that
reference to a young woman dog face pony soldier, no

(47:51):
one knows what that means. Calling a woman dog face
not a good look. But it was mischaracterized. I think
that's fair. I saw I didn't see the reaction first
and the clip first. Yeah, um, and it still bothered me.
But like you know, we've all got I don't know,
it's like, it's weird. It's a weird confrontational way to
talk to voters. Um, and especially in this age where

(48:14):
we're calling anything uh Trumpian, like even if it's jokey,
it's like, I don't know, is that Yeah, I think
that I think that we do ourselves a disservice if
we mischaracterize things a lot. You know, then your but
I totally I hear you, and I agree with you.
Like there's something off about the way he talks in that. Yeah,

(48:38):
I read something about people are like trying to check
to see if that was an actual quote, and the
last thing I read was like, we haven't found it.
But John Wayne did do a ton of movies, So
it's so like the situation is like, you know, they
found Like I've seen where it's from. It's um, I'm

(48:59):
based on the name, but the Lione he he doesn't
say the exact one and is like dog faced soldiers
and he added an extra coup um. But like, yeah,
it's it's even if it's joke, it's weird to react
that way when you're asking a voter a question. She's like, yeah,
I've into a caucus, and then I don't know. It's
it's definitely he's he's a he's an old man who

(49:21):
doesn't understand the world, making references nobody gets because his
brain is dead, right, and especially in the context of
all these other instances of him, uh kind of like
tell like telling people why to go vote for somebody else,
and the shoving, the finger in the chest, all that
kind of stuff. So my my struggle that I'm dealing

(49:42):
with now, which is what I was starting with about
this whole Biden thing, is that I think that there's
a decent chance that if Joe Biden was on the
stage with Donald Trump during a debate and he got
a little confrontation, a little frustrated he was called a
name or something like that, I think that what we're
seeing now would bubble up and he might actually start

(50:03):
shoving Donald Trump. That's why I might vote for Joe,
But I doubt that. Texting I'm I'm texting Joe to
three oh three three oh right now as you should
threatening to kiss my girlfriend. Joe Biden is texting me,

(50:24):
I'm gonna kiss your girlfriend's son. Get out of here. Okay, okay, okay,
let's bring this back to the debate. But all opinion,
I think this was the first debate where I didn't
think he was like taking a napa y energy and
he seemed like he was energy. He was energy. He
had taken like the right caffeine pill, caffeine pill, and

(50:47):
and he came in like ready to he was. He
seemed like ready to defend himself. Yeah, um, which she
needs to be. Where lost Iowa in past debates? I
thought he was more like heat he was. He was
like hiding a bit. He also say we might not
do well in New Hampshire. It was amazing, ye, Iowa,

(51:10):
we might not do well in New Hampshire, but we're
going to do something. He said was like hey, I suway,
I'm gonna suck again next week, but I'm still here baby. Um.
The other moment I wanted to bring up that made
me cringe, and it wasn't just his fault, but he
was a part of it. The three men up there
debating about who who was most popular with black people.

(51:33):
I think it was Buddha, Judge, Bernie and Biden. I
was like, well, have you seen numbers? Have you seen?
I was like, oh boy, this is not a good
White dudes talking about their black friends. That was a
weird moment and not a comfortable one. The good news,
I guess, is that there's no the Republicans don't have

(51:57):
a less weird racial thing to point towards positive spin. Yeah. Yeah,
the Democratic Party not as racist as those other gas yeah,
least racist of the two racists. There any other really

(52:20):
big points you guys wanted to bring up from this week? No,
I keep thinking about how everybody doesn't like Pete on stage.
What did you think of everyone's closing statements? Because everybody
was talking about how strong statement was at the end.
Oh that's actually yeah, so I did want to talk
about this closing statement was largely about empathy. Um, and

(52:44):
I found it a little off knowing that she abuses
her staff. Is that true or is that I think
it's like there's a lot of reporting on her history
of that, like people being like, I'm not gonna work
I believe that. Then I've seen a lot of people,
I mean, like that's ridiculous. I'd love she's a great boss,

(53:05):
and but that could be somebody that's put up for it.
And like even like when the New York Times, uh,
they did their interviews with all of them. Yeah, but
like when they're talking about that, they like hand waved
it away. They're like, yeah, she's allegedly abusive of her staff,
but um, you know that just is the mark of
like not hiring good people. It was it was a weird,

(53:26):
like blaming the staff for getting abused. But uh, my
main point is that I think the message overall is
a good thing to keep coming to. UM. I liked
that she brought up empathy. UM. I guess also part
of me wishes, you know, if you're if you're gonna
talk about that, UM. And I believe that she believes it,

(53:49):
like it wasn't like, oh, she's doing an act or whatever. UM.
I would want the policies to reflect that empathy a
little more, UM and her approach to things and what
she actually wants to a pomplish. UM. So I don't
know that was mine. I'll be honest, Sophie. I don't
really remember much about their closing statements. I was going

(54:09):
to try to vamp right now, but you're doing it.
I think I think I'm suffering from debate fatigue. Earlier
in the episode, you said that you thought this was
a more substantive debate, and I agree with you it was,
But I still am feeling myself, Yeah, like my eyes
rolling back in my head sometimes. Very season and elections

(54:30):
in general in this country happened way too early and
they last way too long. And every cycle they happened
earlier and they last longer. And it is maddening, and
we're getting closer and closer to uh. Just it's there's
always an election going on, and it's all consuming and
it's very, very frustrating and exhausting. And I'm hoping that

(54:52):
the next president um uh, if they go let's say
two terms, they accomplished quite a bit. I hope that
their last move is to a polish the presidency, like
no more presidents that I agree, And I want to
talk about something else close, which is the great, the
great mystery of this campaign to me? So Tom stire

(55:14):
Right born in ninety seven. His father was a prosecutor
at the Nuremberg trials and then a partner in a
major New York law firm. Um. His mom was a
reading teacher. But he comes from money, you know, partner
to major New York law firm. Dad's a big time prosecutor.
UM graduates from Yale. UH founds a hedge fund. UH

(55:35):
makes one point six billion dollars, taking huge risks on
distressed assets. Why does he love Bernie Sanders? What I
need to understand Why a billionaire hedge fund manager has
such a deep love for Bernard Sanders? What happened? I

(55:56):
have a theory. We have theory. I think it goes
back to high school. I think that he's always been
his kid in the little plaid tie, and nobody liked him.
I love him, but yeah, they're cute as a kid.
Nobody liked it as a kid. Um. And he's enamored
with Bernie's popularity. He wants friends, um. And I think

(56:18):
I think that he wants to be a part of
the cool kids club. He wants young people to like him.
Maybe there's that too, Yeah, yeah, so I think there's voices.
I think that there's a lot to that. I think
that there's wanting to be liked. Um. I do think
that he does care about climate change quite a bit,

(56:41):
and I would say that Bernie has the strongest climate plan. Um.
But I think in general my theory you're getting a
little allowed for me. In general, I think that my
theory is that Bernie is good actually, and uh, Tire
is just like, yeah, he's good. I like him, I think, sure,

(57:05):
I don't. I don't believe it could be your your
theory makes sense. I don't believe it's just a popular
the way he approached Bernie. I can't stop thinking of
I can't stop thinking about the No one does that
in politics. I just wanted to walk into two. I
have this idea in my head that there was some
sort of mixer at some point and they had like

(57:28):
the start of a good conversation and maybe maybe he's
socially awkward and you know, not good at making friends.
And keep coming back to that, and he's like, well,
we am starting a really good conversation. Like I got
to make sure that I say hi to Bernie to
solidify this, got to make sure you know, um yeah,
I mean, maybe he wants to be the vice president
and he sees the writing on the wall, tomm um.

(57:52):
It is a very fascinating moment. It is interesting, right,
I do come back to it a lock about it,
like not to sit down and have dinner with Tom
Stu from everything surrounding that moment. It's just there's just
something about it. There's just something about in that moment.
Here's the thing, here we go here, here's why this matters.
The entire thing about running for president, about seeking the presidency,

(58:16):
about running a campaign is a quest to hide yourself
from America, is to hide yourself from voters, because no
voter wants to vote for anyone's true self, because no
true human being is fit to be a president, and
so the whole process of running for president is about
hiding the aspects of yourself that are real that would

(58:38):
convince everyone. Oh no, Um, Tom Stire revealed the sort
of thing that you're not supposed to reveal, which is
that he, at the end of the day, is a
little boy who wanted to shake hands with his hero
that's never seen that. Yeah, it's it's it was something else.

(59:00):
It's yeah, it's so important to him. It's that he
stumbled in between two clearly fighting people. Yeah, it's there's
something like, it's bizarre, it's refreshing a little bit. Um,
you got me convinced. I'm voting for give me a little,
a little hope I'm gonna throw away my vote. Um,
it's it's gonna be something else. When he's like, I'm

(59:21):
a billionaire and I endorse Bernie Sanders so that I
can hang out with him sometimes, Yeah, like that too often,
just enough, just like a call every couple of weeks,
you know, FaceTime, FaceTime. Alright, guys, I think we really
we really did it. Today. We talked about that finally,
talking about a debate on this show about how everything

(59:43):
is bad, and I feel confident saying it's the best
debate breakdown that ever was. And I feel confident in
saying that all of us at Worst Year Ever are
now on the same page. STAYR Kazinski. Can I get
each of you to do a clothing statement? Please? And

(01:00:03):
that's how I am closing this episode, And that is
my statement. I power move passionately want to say the candidates.
End of statement, Robert. I would also like to meet
Bernie Sanders, and I hope that when I do, he
is in the middle of a red faced, livid fight

(01:00:26):
with his wife, and I just I want to stumble
right in the middle of that and offer him my
hand as he is crying. Yeah, I just want I
just want to Yeah, good, okay from Bernie, you know, alright, yes, okay,
that like very resounding praise and acceptance. Yeah good, okay.

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at ending this podcast. Also, we all really just we
just like each other, so we want to keep talking.

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We're all friends here. I mean I kind of want
to go. Nobody got it. I didn't get it. You're
the berm stre you don't want to handle with this.
That's a good bit. It was good, Sophie. We're all
friends here, guys. We are all friends here, guys, my
friends here and by everything Worst Youer Ever is a

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