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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart
Radio Together Everything, So don't don't hello, and welcome back

(00:22):
to even More News slash Worst Year Ever the Crossover.
My name is Katie, Still Odd Cinematic Universe, even more
Worst Years Ever to come joining us today if you hadn't.
Guests is our co host from Worst Year Ever, Robert
Evans and our glorious producer Sophie Lichtmann. Hi, guy, e's

(00:44):
nice to you today. Do you know Antifakud the capital yesterday? Yeah?
We were all there. Yeah I heard that because I
was there doing the classic anarchist thing of fighting to
president and power. Yes, I was. I was there and
every every like every few minutes, I would shout, let's
go inside, let's go inside, and then they finally did.

(01:08):
I was gently tapping on the window, gesturing to someone
to let me in politely. Did you guys see that video?
That video exists, by the way, before before we go
too far down this rabbit hole, because we could and
we will. We will. But this is even more News.
And we start every episode by wishing everybody whatever holiday

(01:30):
it is, and so today I need to wish you
guys all a really happy national bubble head Day. Oh
my god, I knew today was important. It was something. Yeah,
it's hard. It's hard with a coup and our our
duties to Antifa. But but we joke, We digress. Today
we have reconvened to continue discussing yesterday's tempted coup in

(01:53):
our nation's capital and around the country. To be honest,
many interacts around the country as well. Yeah, I guess
an insurrection, coupe put It's a lot of a lot
of different words to be used. Where do we begin? Alright,
we're left off yesterday people were finally getting control of

(02:15):
the capitol. Presumably police eventually arrived or decided to do
something about the situation, eventually decided to use a fraction
of the violence that they they use on crowds of
peaceful protesters angry that police shot some very generous I
want to just sad as hell, start with a conversation

(02:36):
we had before we began recording, uh, which is, do
we believe that the cops were in on this in
some capacity? Do we think that there is something fishy
to be explored? I already know our answers, but let's
share them for the listeners. Yes, come on, the the

(02:58):
lack of show of force, Robert, that people would have
been able to get into the places that they did well.
Most cops like trumps. The the woman who was shot
dead was a former police officer. Yeah, Robert, but I
liked your answer before when we started, and I'm not

(03:19):
going to plagiarize it, so I'll let you share it.
What what was my answer? I've complete well before we started,
remember nothing from more than eleven minutes. That's fine, I'll refresh.
I I have a a memory like a sieve, so
I've got um. Yeah, I believe you said something like maybe. No,

(03:40):
you said, uh, it's likely that maybe one or two
were involved. Not likely that the entirety of the d
C Police force, which I don't think anyone assumes. And
just as someone who watches police do things way more
than any healthy person should, I don't believe most of
them knew what was happening. Like people are rightfully angry

(04:04):
at like the selfies and the cops who are like
kind of welcoming them in. But again, if you actually
pay attention to their body language, they're not like angry,
but they're very confused, like they don't like they It
is very much a I don't know what the funk
to do right now sort of situation, which isn't good.
Like I'm not trying to like apologize for their behavior,
but like, this was not a case where the capital

(04:28):
police were Um, this is not a case where the
Capitol police were all in a whole hog on a coup.
But there was a Business Insider article that has some flaws.
For one thing, the article used as evidence that there
may have been inside work that video that everyone is
sharing of the cops opening a gate and letting contesters through.
That video does not show what everyone thinks, it says.

(04:51):
The person who posted it has pointed out that that
was not them letting people onto the capital. It was
a different area. They were letting a crowd into an
overflow area. Basically, they we're not letting people get onto
the capital. It doesn't show what people think it shows, um,
which is not again, not to mitigate their incompetence. Um.
But that article also had an interview with a French

(05:11):
law enforcement agent who was responsible for doing security for
French government facilities. I'm just gonna quote from the article.
The French police officials said they believed that an investigation
would find that someone interfered with the deployment of additional
federal law enforcement officials on the perimeter of the Capital complex.
The official has direct knowledge of the proper procedures for
security of the facility. The security of Congress is entrusted

(05:32):
to the US Capital Police, a federal agency that answers
to Congress. So that's that's and that seems possible that
there was one or two people who had some sort
of fore knowledge of what was happening. Again, absolutely not confirmed,
no hard evidence and no physical evidence for anything, but

(05:52):
the expected police incompetence and their lack of willingness to
police the far right, which is there. Has happened four years,
very well documented without anybody committing any You also have
an article out on Business Insider today talking about this,
which I encourage everybody to go read when you're done listening.

(06:15):
It is buffuddling and the questions are being asked, which
is good. How they got to the different areas uh
inside the capital heavily armed usually areas areas that are
closed off, locked, not available to the public. Nancy Pelosi's office,
How does somebody physically get in there? Those are all

(06:36):
questions that we do not know the answer to um, yeah,
I mean they also turned down help the d C.
I asked for national yeah, and the National Guard did.
There's actually a potentially reasonable reason why the National Guard
did not want to get involved, which was that they
would have technically been under President Trump's like control, um,

(07:00):
if they had been activated in d C. Yeah, and
that that also, like I can see a perfectly decent
National Guard commander being like, well, I don't want to
be in that position, and I don't want the National
Guard to be in that position. But didn't Donald Trump
um hold off from allowing them to go? Yes, yes,

(07:20):
I mean there was there was not a deployment ahead
of time. I'm just talking about their their delay on
the day of the coup, got it? What are you?
What do you guys think about these, uh, these rumors
that Pence was in control yesterday and that he was
the one giving commands and that people uh in the
in the circle, we're not taking commands from Trump anymore.

(07:43):
I don't know, I don't know. I I could see
them being somewhat true, but uh, that's a pretty good
transition to the fact that the president's not conscriptive power.
This is fake, This is fake news. He was stripped
of his Facebook and Twitter power or which is what
he what he holds most dear to his heart. Okay

(08:04):
that too, and he's specially and they don't special and
they don't love him. Well that's something strong words from
social media. Um. But in general, he has not been
censured as was at least expected from Congress last night. Uh,

(08:28):
articles of impeachment have not been filed yet. They said
they was gonna and well today I've seen a lot
of emphatict If is not invoked today, then tomorrow articles
will be filed. All of That's not easy, I know

(08:49):
people keep saying, but that involves cabinet signing off on it,
bringing it to Congress, to the leaders of both how chambers, um,
you know, and then the president apparently will have an
opportunity to respond, which would reinstate his powers. So those
are there are a lot of steps to that, um.

(09:13):
But of course the first step does not seem to
have happened, at least from what we know at the
time of this recording. And I mean we're already seeing
you know, cabinet members resigning members that we would need
if was going to be invoked. No, I mean, it

(09:36):
is resigning, but I think it's really important to do.
I do think that like that is that both that
and prosecuting the motherfucker are are important. Like it, It's
like and again this is like I keep being torn
because like, I don't believe we should have anything that
resembles a government in its current form um. I think

(09:57):
we should have a society. I don't I'm not a
belief or in the top down power structure that we
have because it's bad and it works bad. Um, But
I don't think there's no value in a democracy. It
is better than a lot of other alternatives. And if
you're going to have a democracy, you have to punish
people who do things like this. Yeah, absolutely, I think that.

(10:20):
I agree. I think that resigning in many ways. I mean,
if you're not going to do something else, at least
there's the symbolic gesture of like I'm I I do
not condone this, but but if is actually an option
on the table, then you know this is your time
to actually your position to do something about the situation.

(10:41):
So symbolic gestures are useless. Symbolic gestures don't do anything,
and they're not going to do anything. Yeah, And taking
him out of power early is not symbolic, that is
for one thing that will reduce his ability to part
in everybody who including himself. Yeah, yes, only the best

(11:01):
you know, an innocent person. I definitely seeks to pardon themselves. Um,
but like until like, until any of these people actually
do or say something of substance um or consequence, like
the praise is just it's so embarrassing to watch. Um,
even like John Kelly today, like I would, I would, Uh,

(11:22):
I would support getting rid of him if I were
still in the cabinet. Motherfucker you the chief of staff. Like,
it's just it's just empty bullshit. It's the end of
it's the end of the term. So now it's safe
for them to do it. Speaking of emptiness and gestures. Um,
did you guys tune back in last night once um

(11:45):
everybody reconvene to finish certifying the election. I saw I
saw some of that. Yeah, I have thoughts, Yes, that
part where we watched everybody are there yield? Yes, uh,
a lot of quotes, but you know, just using the
oppera tune city to condemn yesterday's actions and very strong
words and nothing happened. Yes, and now what what are

(12:11):
you gonna do? What do you come on, guys, what
do you what are you gonna do? Nothing? Nothing? We
have seen and in Fox the other thing he keeps
kissing me off is like seeing and and Fox repeatedly
calling um this anarchy anarchists all that stuff like because
again because again anarchists love nothing more than to go

(12:32):
after than to keep an authoritarian president presently anarchists stuff. Yeah,
the the president who tweeted about anarchists many times over
the past year. And how yeah, it's really frustrating and
it's it's infuriating, and like the ship from Matt Gates,
where like this is fast. Matt Gates claimed in his

(12:53):
speech before Congress that members of Antifa were there at
the head of the crowd, egging everything on, and his
evidence was this secure the firms supposedly had visually matched
one of the people in the crowd with a Portland
ANTIPHAE member, and that security firm came out and said
this is not accurate. We did no such thing and
we will sue you if you do not take these
claims down like it, but they still spread hundreds of

(13:18):
thousands of times on Twitter, but by a congressman, by
a congressman, by a congressman, by am he needs to
be punished. That is not legal. It is there something?
Is there something relevant to like uh, right wing violence
against like government buildings and then blamed on. Yeah. The

(13:41):
president's executive order UM means that all of the people
who went onto the capitol can be imprisoned for ten years.
It is not like they should not be. The vast
majority of those people I don't believe should do time.
I think the people who incited them. I think the
people who did damage. I think the who committed assault. UM.

(14:01):
I think the folks who were in there with guns
and zip ties, and people like Elijah Shaffer, the right
wing live streamer who was urging people on, people like
Tim jen a Baked Alaska, the people who like the
media figures who were urging them forward as it was happening,
absolutely should be punished. But not the vast majority of
people milling around up there. No, Because, to be quite frank,

(14:22):
the same thing was happening to them. That has happened
to an awful lot of people who engaged in widespread
property damage. We did stuff like light cop cars on
fire in the BLM protests. Some of the folks who
did that, it was a considered action that they chose
to take. And I'm not condemning that, by the way,
but it was a considered action that they planned. But
most people who do stuff like that in a mass

(14:43):
civil disobedience are caught up in a moment. And I
fundamentally don't believe left or right that if you get
caught up in a moment like that, if you're not
murdering people, you shouldn't lose the rest of your life
because of that. Right. Um No, I do agree with
you completely about that. Um. But circling back to a
conversation about last night's UM election, Yes, grandstanding, it's just okay,

(15:10):
there's a few things. Even after all of that, how
many Republicans continued to uh vote against certifying the state's results. Well,
that's the senators, but then in Congress. Yeah, and that
is ghastly. I mean, how do you even continue to

(15:31):
work with these people? I don't know, I would compromise.
Biden's going to lead us to that braveman world. I
um gagged when Kelly Loffler stood up right after reconvening,
she if you guys missed this She She noted that
coming into the day, she had planned to object, but

(15:54):
after today's events changed her mind and said that while
there were some irregular at ease, I do believe that
this election is valid and can be certified. And I
want to take this moment to say that anybody who
walked into yesterday planning to object got derailed by the coup,

(16:17):
the insurrection, the siege, coming back changing their mind, You're
still this is still on you. These people came because
of you. That's my point. I mean, yeah, I mean
Holly given the like what they referred to as the
communist fist, um like raising his fist all the protesters
as he walked into the thing. Every single thing that

(16:39):
Cruises said at public events, Um, cruise is the worst
one cruises by far worst. Also worst faces. Yeah, it's
they don't get to do it. It's the it's the
sewing reaping tweet. Uh me sewing ha ha fuck yes
me reaping. Oh no no wait no whatever, you know,

(17:01):
you know the tweet. It's just it's frustrating because they're
doing the thing that they're going to get away with. Yeah,
and that brings me to my next question. What what
happens now. I mean, we don't actually know what happens next.
We don't know that they're that the people responsible are
going to get away with it, right, Like that's that's

(17:24):
not like at the moment, like when it happened, there
was not any sort of like real response to it.
They're like twelve people arrested for reference. There have been
nights in Portland where thirty people were arrested for yelling
at a police station. Like so, yeah, that's that is infuriating.
That said, we don't know that, like right now, there
is a massive FBI dreadnt going on. Any bunch of

(17:47):
these guys are getting calls, and there have already been
a huge number of charges, like a significant number of
charges dropped, and will be more by the time that
it's possible that it's possible that several hundred people will
catch serious charge. I just don't know. It's possible that
the government will completely shift the bet on that too.
I do believe that at least some percentage of people
will face repercussions for their actions yesterday. I hope it

(18:12):
is the people that truly deserve it. But I'm also
referring to the president, to the president be great, buttor No,
I mean, I just I do not know how we
are all continuing business as normal. How we continue to
continue business as normal without something happening, without some uh action,

(18:39):
some that shows that this is wrong, that this can't happen.
I mean, I'm reeling about that right now. Yeah, that's
the thing. Like I think, you know, there's some people
who participated, who physically participated yesterday that will probably pay consequences,
but like that's not I'm less concerned about that. But
I'm I'm sorry we're talking about like the cruises and

(19:02):
the and the trumpets people who did this. Um, yes,
I am extremely concerned about those people, and they probably
won't face consequences and we'll probably all get very nice
book deals when they should be. Do you guys, have
you ever have you all ever heard of the Tarpeian rock?

(19:23):
So in Republican Rome for a while there, the Romans
were very protective of their democratic traditions and we're all,
we're really really cag about the possibility of a tyranny.
And so when you committed treason in Rome and you
were convicted by it, they had a tall like they
had like a hill that overlooked this big rock on
the ground, and they would throw people onto the rock

(19:46):
and it would kill them because they would fall from
a great hide onto the rock, which would shatter their bodies.
And that is what they did to people who tried
to destroy their democracy. They hurled them onto rocks, which
I don't think is a bad thing to do with
people who try to destroy your democracy. Well, because if
you don't throw them into a rock, then like you said,
they get book deals, they go on MSNBC, they go

(20:08):
on all these things, and then it tells anybody else
that they can keep doing it. The more the more
you get away with stuff, the more you're going to
do it later, the more other people will do it later.
This if, if if the people aside from the people
who participated physically, these other people, if both of these
groups don't actually pay any consequences, then it's going to

(20:29):
happen more and worse in the future. Uh yeah, I see.
Did you guys see what James Commy said? No talking
about liberty or freedom or like civility. No, no, no,
that that that by that the Biden administration should not
pursue chargers for Trump. Now, did he think that right?
Before all of this happened. Yeah, I mean, I'm very curious.

(20:53):
Joe Biden also said something along those lines recently, or
like a very curious to know. I mean, he also
appointed Mark Garland as Attorney general. So I don't think
there's going to be a whole lot of action there.
Well yeah, that's because he still has his phone rooms.
Just like somebody to just sit down with Joe and say, Joe,

(21:16):
they would have killed you if this worked, they would
have killed you. I'm also suggested a trial by combat
trial just saying it they wanted to hang Mike Pence. Joe,
what do you think they would have done to you?
For real? God, I have some amount of worries about

(21:38):
inauguration Day. It's not going to be a great day. No,
I'm I'm nervous fun day. I don't think this story
ends here. I know, no herd no again know about putches.
It's that the first putch is never enough for the
people who want to do putches. God, I love the

(22:00):
word put It's a great word. Makes it all worthwhile?
Really really? Yea more and more pushes so we can
keep saying it. Oh, you know my motto, Cody A
BP always be always be together. The right wing got

(22:27):
its Nicky Weaver yesterday. For those of you who don't know,
the reason that Timothy McVeigh. One of the reasons that
Timothy McVey blew up the Murror Building in Oklahoma City
was that a year or two before, UM, the a
t F entrapped a guy for sawing off a shotgun
UM named Randy Weaver who lived in a cabin with

(22:49):
his family in the mountains of Idaho, And while trying
to arrest him for this thing, UM they shot his
dog and his small child to death, and and they
an FBI sniper shot his wife dead. UM and his wife,
Vicky became like for a while, sort of the face

(23:09):
of the insurgent right movement in the early nineties because
people were rightfully like the Weavers, not great people, especially
Randy friends with a bunch of Nazis. Also doesn't mean
they deserve to be shot in the head by far
range for no reason when they're living alone in a cabin.
So people got really angry about that, and it it
was the sort of helped seed a lot of terrorism,

(23:30):
including the Oklahoma City bombing. UM Waco was another, you know,
big motivation motivation and you can already see online and
telegram channels people trying to make Babbitt, the woman who
was killed yesterday, into a martyr because she shouldn't have
been killed, because they should. She should never have been
in a position where there was a terrified federal agent

(23:54):
with a handgun who thought that she might immediately kill
his principle. She could have been stopped. The whole lie
of them could have been stopped by thirty guys with
paintball guns full of pepper balls. That crowd would not
have held up to that. They had no gas mess.
They wouldn't have You didn't even need tear gas to
stop them. Nothing was tried, and so somebody died. Um,
which is not to like remove any of her responsibility

(24:16):
for trying to break through a window and attack lawmakers,
but it should never have gotten to that point. And
now these people have a martyr. Yep. Yeah, so uh
we're going to have. Yesterday we talked to Talia Jane
who was there in d C. And today we're talking
to another friend of the pod, Molly Conjure. Molly is
a socialist dog mom on Twitter, and she was incognito

(24:39):
at the storming of the Capitol yesterday. Um And is
a long time anti fascist activist from Charlottesville, and we're
going to chat with her about all this bullshit. Hey Molly, Hey,
how's it going. Thank you so much for joining us
today at the last minute. We really appreciate it. Yeah,
no problem. No, I'm just I'm here in my pillow

(25:01):
fort trying to like re enter my body. Yeah it
looks cozy, Molly. You want to walk us through your
experience yesterday? It sounded like a real one. Yes, those
you know, there's always that moment at these rallies where
like your soul leaves your body and like that's how
that's how you get through the rest of the day. Uh. Like,
went to an antimask rally in November and there was

(25:23):
like a George Washington impersonator who got so overcome by
the spirit of the Lord that he dropped to his
knees and sort of like screaming about how he's a
prayer warrior. I was like, Okay, my soul is off
my body. I can now enjoy the rest of this
event without I'm not gonna have a panic attack. I'm
gonna be fine because I'm not here anymore. Grateful for
the dish associative state. Yeah, that happened immediately yesterday, immediately, right,

(25:48):
Thank God for small miracles. Okay, what was the question
that was asked before my mike fell off? What did
the end of democracy look like? Is that? Yeah? Yeah?
What did the well what did the attem? Did end
of democracy look like? Oh? Jesus um? Yeah? You know
the Trump speech at the Washington monu it was kind
of nothing like he was I don't know, I don't

(26:10):
I don't know actually where he physically was. But there
were thousands of people crowded around the Washington Monument and
it was another one of those moments where you're standing
in a sea of people and you think, oh, they
all wish I was dead. Huh, yeah, it's good. It's
good I was wearing a costume. Those was fine. Yeah.
So you were the antifa infilt trader that actually did

(26:33):
all the damage. Now, yeah, did you tear down the
gates of the Capitol? Yeah? I bought a twenty dollar
wig off Amazon, and then I did some terrorism. It
was like church revival vibes, you know. I mean there's
always sort of that undercurrent of evangelical fervor at these things.
But it was like it was I was walking through

(26:55):
the crowd or like physically shoving my way through the crowd.
Was very dense. I think we all have coronavirus now,
um there is. You know. It was like these pockets
of people who getting overcome with the spirit and giving
their own sort of like rousing screaming speeches about the
tree of liberty to the people around them. You know,
right before a large contingent of us sort of broke

(27:15):
off from what was going off on the Washington Monument
and moved towards the Capital. I have a video I
haven't posted to get of this guy in like full
tactical gear just screaming about how we have to take
it back. And then and it's like these people are
listening to the president talk, but all of a sudden,
it's like nobody. Guy in a like a Gadsden flag

(27:35):
bandana pulled over his mouth is like whipping them up
into a frenzy and they're agreeing that, like, yeah, we
should go do violence. Now, you're right, stranger, sounds pretty fashy,
really easily riled. It's in this very suggestive state right there.
And I don't be told for so long that it's like,
it's this is the thing that needs to happen that

(27:56):
we're going to do, right, like that's now's the day? Yeah,
and I was the day. What else were they going
to do? And you know, I hate to feel like
I'm disparaging religion, but it was right now. I don't
actually hate that. I shouldn't. I shouldn't try to be polite,
but it does have this like sort of evangelical tent
revival vibe where these people are in this extremely suggestive state,

(28:18):
and whatever you say to them in the right tone,
they'll agree and they'll do it. They're they're ready, they're
ready to get hyped and agree with the regretted to
yes and whatever active terrorism to guy next to them
in the crowd comes up with. You know, the idea
that this was all like a false flag from Antifa
is bullshit. Every every person in that crowd was ready
to draw blood if somebody next to them offered them
the implement and gave them a suggestion. Oh yeah, those

(28:42):
are the things that I I've been laughing and pulling
my hair out the most. I don't know the most.
That's hard to quantify, but it's all of the suggestions
that this is just Antifa, the distancing of them, like
look into who was actually there. We know who was there,
wanted them, showed their faces and posted selfies, even attempted

(29:03):
black blog. I'm like, come on, noted Antifa cell leader
the Q and On Shoman. Yeah, come on, come on. Yeah,
when you when you join it in Tifa, you have
to get a falcon tattoo. It's kind of weird. I
mean they paid for it, so it's not so good.
I thought that was a weird call, to be honest. Yeah,

(29:26):
it was weird as it should be. Yeah, that way
people can't see it as easy. So were you, um
in proximity as people started to break police lines and
get closer, you know, reach the capital. Right, So a
little before one, you know, I had I downloaded the
Magar rally Guy, the downloadable rochure that was available online.

(29:49):
Organized of them. Oh yes, no, this woman like took
it upon herself to contain all the different events are
taking place. She made a little infographic with a map
and like a description of each event. And so I
had my downloaded Maga rally Guide, and so I knew
it one o'clock we were all going to the capital
I was going to the Capital at one o'clock according
to the map that I downloaded. So I don't know
why the DC police didn't know about it. I found

(30:09):
it on parlor. Wow, I know why I didn't know
about it. Okay, so you followed your map at one. Yeah,
So at about ten to one, I started walking towards
the Capital. And it's about a mile and a half.
So it took five minute walk. Twenty five minutes at
least you got your steps in. I got many stepsen.

(30:30):
So I walked down the length of the National Mall.
You know, our our beautiful National Mall. I don't know
if you've been there before, maybe recently. There's never not
cops there. There's always just a million cops there. They're
like a park ambassadors, the park Police. There's cops everywhere
at all times, all the time in d C, because
it's Washington, d C. I didn't see a single fucking cop.
I saw zero policeman. I said, no cop cars. No,

(30:53):
I didn't see a woman take off her pants and
squat down in the middle of the National Mall and
cover her bare ass with a Trump flag while she
took a piss. But I saw no cops. Wow. First
of all, I mean, to be honest, the proper use
for a Trump flag, Yeah, yeah, that part's fine. I
don't I think being outside is noble and correct. There
were no porta potties, which, according to everyone I passed

(31:17):
on the mall, was a communist plot directly from your
real bower to hurt them. It's amazing because whether they're angry,
they're worried about left or right wing demonstrators. The people
in charge in this country always respond to demonstrations by
trying to deny people bathrooms, and it just means that
piskets everywhere. That's the only thing that does. Yeah, I
actually have a big proponent. I love peeing outside somewhere.

(31:39):
That's a fun fact about me. That is true and
not a joke. I'm a nervous I'm a nervous here,
and I gotta tell you it was difficult to empty
my bladder while staring at an ongoing insurrection. Yeah, I mean,
in these circumstances, I don't know if I'd been able
to go, But give me a nice country road somewhere
in the middle of the countryside. All about it anyway,
So your story. So, according to a video I found

(32:01):
online about a few minutes before I got there, there
were I guess like six cops and a bike rack
trying to prevent people from getting into the capital, and
they were easily over trave of that bike rack. Yeah,
and you know, according to that video, that interaction was
brief because by the time I got there, there were
no more cops and everyone was just sort of stepping
over this top al bike rack and onto the capital lawn. Um.

(32:25):
So I just walked up to the Capital with all
my new MAGA friends. Um Again, I haven't posted any
of this video because as soon as you got sort
of onto the Capitol lawn like so sort of I
don't know where the demarcation is where the National Wall
ends and the Capital Lane begins. Like once you've got
close to the Capital. Within that sort of that block
of the capital, cell phone signal stopped. And it wasn't

(32:46):
a capacity thing because there was like a demarcation where
if you move past at your phone worked again. So
they're definitely jamming cells. I haven't consied any of this
video yet, but as I approached the Capital, there's a
wind screaming into like her info Worce megaphone that like
they can't shoot us all, like we're not I'm not
there yet. I guess you're there, your ten steps ahead
of me right now, man, like way ready. But there's

(33:09):
like kids and like old people in wheelchairs and like
I almost stepped on a Yorky Like there were families there.
How dare somebody bring their puppy? Kids are fine, puppies
are off limits. I mean a lot of like hound
dogs in tactical gear, which is kind of cool, but like,
I don't know if what's the If it had been
an all dog insurrection, nobody would have had a problem

(33:31):
with it. I I support dogs overthrowing the democratically elected
government of this kind of Oh my god, we would
be way better off, without a doubt. It was all
because I didn't want to blow my cover, so I
couldn't look too excited about any of the dogs because
I feel like that would be fair enough. Yeah, they
didn't any of the dogs. So get up close to

(33:51):
the Capitol, And I spent most of the two hours
that I was up there standing on that. So it's
sort of like a semi circle shape in front of
the steps. I don't know how familiar the physical space.
There's like that semi circle space in front of the stairs,
and there's a low stone wall outlining the semi circle,
and I was standing on the wall so I could
see and also not get crushed to death. I mean,
that was really what I was worried about, was getting

(34:13):
crushed to death. And apparently that is how one woman died.
She got crushed to death, so valid, valid fear. Yeah, um, yes,
I was just chilling there with my MAGA friends, and
it quickly got to the point, like I would see,
maybe within half an hour of me arriving and standing
on that wall. So I got there probably around one ten,
so by one there was nothing that they could have

(34:35):
done to disperse the crowd without causing trampling deaths. So
really what they should have done was dispersed the crowd
before ten thousand people were trying to get into the building,
is what I would have done. I'm not a police officer,
but I probably would have done something before the ten
guy showed up. Right, Yeah, that seems like that seems
like an achievable would have been an achievable goal for

(34:56):
the entire U S Security state. I mean, a couple
of hundred billion dollars poured into this like, I bet
one guy thought of it and they just didn't listen
to him. I don't know. They've certainly been successful at
managing loud thousands and thousands of people in the past. Today,
for some reason, those that playbook went out the window yesterday.

(35:17):
I'm sorry anyway, because I was in DC a couple
of weeks ago, and the cops were not quite as
hesitant to pepper spray or hit people or tackle them
or arrest them or drag them away or think it's
it's troubling. I think there's there's a lot of discourse
today about like, why didn't the cops hurt them more?
And I also have that question why didn't the cops
hurt them more? And that's not because I want people

(35:39):
to get hurt by cops. I'm not saying it would
be better and cooler if more people got hurt by cops.
That's not how I feel on a personal or political
level as an abolitionist. I would would be cool if
nobody got hurt by cops. But it does sort of
open up a very striking contradiction. Yes, where's the Q?

(36:01):
And it's it's like I was thinking today, because they
arrested twelve people. During the insurrection, there was a night
in Portland where a very small group like four to
yor fifty activists I don't think I think it was
less than fifty, like met up at night to do
a secret action. We're just gonna go to the precinct

(36:23):
in Portland and yell at it, basically, and for whatever.
The police found out and surrounded this tiny group of
activists who were like all holding onto each other in
a circle, and arrested like thirty of them for again
going to yell at a precinct at night. Twice as
many people got arrested as we're arrested for attempting to
overthrow the governments. Well, he's he's like a solid paril.

(36:46):
You know. Not not to center my own experiences, but
this is the only narrative that I have that that
is mine. I was arrested with twelve people. Twelve was
were arrested for us standing on a sidewalk in front
of a church quietly. We weren't going anywhere. That sounds
very dangerous. You were. Let's be honest here, did you
have your assault sneakers on? I did? How I did

(37:08):
have sneakers on? I did? In my back mind. They
jumped out my backpack and kept screaming, where's your gun?
Where's your sucking guns? I mean, it's for Nola Marris
in there if you want one like I think I
have gum? Are you? Are you cranky and hungry? You
sound cranky and hungry. They were seriously shouting, where's your
fucking gun? Yeah, I don't own a gun. Together everything don't. Yeah,

(37:40):
it's hard to not draw at the very obvious parallel
between this and everything that's happened over the past several
months years. But you know, all the protest movements that
we've been seeing, um since George Floyd. It and incredibly
frustrating to also see comparisons in you know, I have

(38:02):
a friend, a friend a person that I've known since
high school on Facebook posting if if you didn't care
about the protests in December, you should shut the funk
up and get off, you know it. It's driving me
crazy and I'm rambling now, but I'm hearing that comparison

(38:22):
a lot, and it's like, Okay, here's the thing. The
protesters who, for example, in Portland, we're trying to break
into a federal courthouse. We're doing it because the people
of that city and their thousands got angry that federal
agents were grabbing people in undermark vans and nearly killed
a kid, and they wanted those specific federal agents out

(38:43):
of their home as opposed to trying to institute a
new government forcibly upon three and twenty million people through violence.
There's a difference. If you don't see the difference, I
can't possibly make you see the difference. Yeah, you know,
I don't. I don't wanna want to make statements. It
can't back up, but I would I would like to
make a bet right here and now. Once they serve

(39:04):
those warrants. They searched some of these guys computers, They're
going to find detailed schematics. They're going to find information
about like planned murders of senators. Absolutely, Like if I
broke into the Capitol building, I wouldn't know where to
find the things that you know, I wouldn't know where
to go right away. I wouldn't have a bee line
for Nancy Pelosi's office, Like that's what's puzzling. And there

(39:28):
were two streams of people, there were three streams. There
was the the social media instigators like Elijah Shaffer who
were just there to egg things on and get a
lot of money in donations. There were the normal maga
people like some like the folks guy who died of
a heart attack, where it was just kind of like
they were angry and they were going to show up, um,
but they didn't really have a plan. And then there

(39:51):
were the people like the guy with zip ties on
the floor of the house who came armed with body armor,
with firearms and with plans to try to on his computer.
Yes and yeah, I'm actually like literally in the process.
We found a video of him that shows his face
afterwards because he's wearing the same shirt while he's drinking
in um uh in a d C hotel. How do

(40:14):
these people get back out of the building without any cops?
Get Oh you didn't hear that quote, did you? Okay,
this is in a great New York Times article. Um
a Capitol police officer tried to reason with the crowd.
You just you guys just need to go outside, he
pleaded with a man in a green backpack. When asked
why they weren't expelling the protesters, the officer said, We've

(40:35):
just got to let them do their thing now. No,
they had to let him do their thing. That's one
of the amendments, right, Let people do the thing. That
seems like an amendment, Like, I mean, I think it'll
be cool of cops let people do their thing more often.

(40:56):
But I think maybe this is one of the times,
the one time. Look if if there exists a reasonable
case for there to be armed men with badges, it's
to stop a violent overthrow of the mutually agreed upon
government of the nation. Right, everyone was arguing, like about

(41:17):
the rules and the norms, and now the bad things
couldn't happen because of all the rules and the norms.
Oh yeah, do you remember, I mean, and and not
very many people are talking about the fact that what
there were three bombs the bombs Day, and the weirdest
part being there with all of our cell phones jammed.

(41:39):
The people who are there, you gotta figure, like, if
you show up to this, it's because you care about
it a whole lot. So people who care about it
the most are the only people on earth who have
no access to information about what's happening. So like they're
in there, and you know, before the building up breach,
I think they like certified some of the votes, like
they started doing it, and none of us outside know that.
We don't know because we're out side screaming at the

(42:00):
cops and getting like, I don't know, lightly pepper sprayed
uh gentle pats on the butt with their baton sticks.
I don't know. So we didn't know about the bomb.
So afterwards, when I moved out of the zone, says
weird about getting stampeded to death, and I got cell
signal back. You know, I have all these frantic texts
from our friend Hillary, who's like, you have to get
the funk out of there. There's been shootings and bombs,

(42:22):
and I was like, I don't know. It seemed like
the vibe was fine where I was a hundred feet
away from where that lady just got merked, Like we
just didn't know about the bomb. You were there when
um uh the one was shot that was inside. She
got shot inside, and I was outside, so not far away.

(42:44):
But like when when you're there and there's no internet connectivity,
you only know about what you can physically see. It's
very surreal to be you know, like the entire Senate
is being evacuated because of a bomb and people with guns,
and we're just kind of chilling sides, like not knowing
about it. I feel like maybe that just sounds maybe

(43:05):
there should have been dispersal orders because of the bomb,
but there weren't. You think maybe hey, guys like no,
you don't want to go, but like it's that bomb. No,
I don't know, Molly, what do you? What do we?
What do we? What do we do here? It's you know,
what do we do? I don't know how we come
back from this, Robert, I don't That's what we were

(43:26):
saying before we brought you in because things keep having
you know, we violated too many rules and norms, like
I don't know how we go back to regularly like
this this time, this time, like this is pictures of
guys in Saddam's chair, you know, like this is these
are pictures. They're going to be in textbooks and other
countries where they talk about the fall of America. Yeah,

(43:48):
you can't put something back in the bottle when the
bottle is broken. And did you have to be the
Q and On Shaman guy? Guys, all the guys you
went on in a in a In a thousand years,
people will be still be looking at images of the
Q and On Shaman Guy and I can't think of
a more damning indictment of our civilization for sure. I mean,

(44:11):
that's definitely the dumbest mom. And my question is what's
the dumbest thing you personally saw yesterday? Obviously the photo
of the shaman qn on Shaman guy for me top
three dumbest things I've seen, but like for you personally,
what is something you saw? So like, there was all
the scaffolding outside the right in front of the capital,

(44:33):
on either side of the capital steps, and one of
the first things people did was, you know, breach the
the area around the scaffolding and start climbing the scaffolding.
And so there was like, you know, a guy would
get up there and way with flag and everyone would cheer,
and then they shoot a flash bangs and people would
cheer more. And then you know, they had their American
flags and they had their Trump flags and there was
you know, some America first flags in a quintas thing.

(44:54):
The guy gets up there and he waves a Canadian
flag and everyone because the guy got up there and
they're like, yeah, guys, what And then there was no buoying,
but there was like this sort of murmur of consternation
and this this woman next to me or sixties and
ship I like, you know, badly applied bright blue eyeliner

(45:14):
and like a trump temporary tattoo on her cheek. And
she looks at me and she goes, that's just not right.
Like that that that's that's where it's not right. Oh,
dare that is. That's a great story, a great story
that we would not have been privy to. Thank your

(45:35):
first hand experience. Just a real treat. Oh and the gallows,
The gallows were good. I'm sure you guys saw pictures
that I saw some flags of Georgia the country. Oh
my god, I guess that's like meme stuff, right, that's
like some meaning I made a lot of it. Might
be people just googled Georgia flag and got the first friend.

(46:00):
Because because I feel like any any Southerner knows that
even if you're not familiar with the flag of another
Southern state, if it doesn't look like it's probably some
minor regiment, a battle flag, it's not a real state flag.
You would think you would think they would have that awareness.
My rule of thumb is just fly the Texas flag.

(46:23):
It's the only flag any Just just fly the Texas flag.
It definitely got across. I definitely got a lot of
texts like what's that yellow flag they're holding from relatives
and it's like the one that says don't tread on me?
Or the black and yellow one that's for the proud boys?
Like which one are we talking? You've got to be

(46:44):
more specific which stupid yellow flag? Confused about who's doing
the treading at this point, Yeah, it's very unclear. Yeah,
it's kind of seems like they were treading on all
of us. Yeah, because I hadn't tread on me. That's
my follow the liberals and the anarchists and everyone that's
not the people storming that building agree on is that, like,

(47:07):
well Trump shouldn't be in charge, like some of us
also think no one should be in charge, but certainly
not Trump. Yeah. Well, the good news is he wasn't
allowed to tweet for twelve hours, so you thank god
for that Facebook finally, But he doesn't he's in time

(47:29):
out and like Camp David, now right, yes he is.
He's he's sheltering in place at Camp David took away binkie. Yeah,
I do love that, of course, there I don't think
there is what is he going to do with himself,
didn't even he couldn't even go to marrow Lago. That's
the good news is he can go to mar Lago

(47:49):
three six. Actually he can't. He's not allowed to leave.
I'm not sure. I wasn't sure how that came out.
If you guys hadn't heard this. He was planning to
make marl Lago as residents. But this he is trying
to stop that. We'll see well because in order when
they built Mara Lago, because it's a historical building, when

(48:10):
they converted it to a hotel in the nineties, they
had to make a deal with the county. That was
the deal guy that he wouldn't he or nobody would
be living there long term. It couldn't be anybody's permanent residence.
And they're trying to make that stick. We'll see. UM, Molly,
thank you so much for taking time to chat with

(48:31):
us today. We would love to have you back on
and I'm sure we will at some point in the
in the near future and circumstances maybe, And thanks for
all your work and your Twitter content and just yeah,
thank you. You should Um tell people where they can
find you online and how to support you. And all that.

(48:54):
You can find me at socialist dog Mom on Twitter.
And if I had known I was going to be
using that professionally, probably wouldn't Holly, wouldn't you use that?
But I love it? But it is. It is me
and the dogs, and I think they're the real stars. Um.
Now I have quarantined for two weeks, so yeah, Cup
comes to my house to hit me, I'll be I'm safe,

(49:16):
all right, thanks again, Molly. Okay, well, I guess that's
it for us today. Uh real quick reminder before I go,
very much everything everything again. I tried. Worst Yeer Ever

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