The Very Bad and the Slightly Less Very Bad of the New Climate Change Report

Why your children may or may not choke to death on the dust that was once a river.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of I Heart Radio,
Welcome Together Everything. So don't don't done going every Welcome

(00:25):
to me beating with Ron James a basketball because he's
not that good. No, he's not that good. Good. I'm
a better goalie at the enfield position. Gonna Nascar pitiful.

(00:50):
That's that's that's the start of the show. We did it, Cody,
you did great, Robert. It was an attempt go add songs.
I don't know what you're talking about. That's how we
do this. Ship in the streets, Okay, I know, I know,

(01:14):
individual apartments. I mean, I mean the mean streets of
whatever city I come from. Okay, they're not nice, Cody,
they're not nice. It sounded nice to me my birthday.
The nice streets are always letting people walk all over them.

(01:38):
So that's that was good. Well, this is the worst
year ever. And that was an introduction where we planned,
we tried to incite, so didn't work. So you those
late night recording sessions Cody really paid off, really really

(01:59):
did rehearsing on Zoom for hours every day and just
like Skype, just in we had to do this on Skype.
You never know. Yeah, it's called preparedness, and I think
it paid. It all came through, came through. Oh so
download that on your downloader dot com, Amazon Music, Slash, Spotify, Backslash, Kauza, Yes, yes,

(02:33):
Lime Wire. Do they still do a Pandora or did that? Finally?
That that that that diet? I can't imagine. I'm sure
it exists, but I can't imnage many people still use it.
We're going to get so much hate. Everyone's gonna say
Pandora forever or something. Pandora is the only thing people

(02:53):
get music from. The still a website. Uh Spotify girl
myself for music. I don't know. They all suck. Hi guys,
how's it going. We've drawn this intro out a while.
I suppose I supposed we have. Was it worth it? Yeah? Yeah,
I think it was. I think it was because there's

(03:14):
nothing else going on in the world right now. There's
not a single thing note where they're happening now. I'm
going to take a sip of coffee and open the
International Panel on Climate Change Report. Good luck who didn't
actually coffee before you? It would have been my coffee,

(03:35):
And swallow it and put the mug down and then
open it up. You can't do a spit take on
your own computer screen. It's just not done that enough.
I've done that enough. But then it seems it seems fine. Um,
it seems like we're going to be fine. If you

(03:57):
live in the Great Lakes region and like police State, Uh,
let's get into it. Um. Everyone else might have a
challenging fifty years ahead of them. So I guess my
my real question is is, uh, was it the Donald
Trump's best idea I still maintain was to buy Greenland?

(04:20):
Would you say that that is still true? Look, I
was always saying if we could, yes, let's buy Greenland,
Like if they're selling right, like, it's not a it's
not that's not a left or right thing. Greenland seems
worth buying. Of all the things our government spent money on,
if we could acquire a Greenland. You know, I don't
know that Greenland didn't save us. Guys, m about saving us? Okay, Okay,

(04:48):
that's fine. Yeah, I need buy a house in Greenland
if I didn't have to get Greenlandish Greenish citizenship, Greenlandish
bro Lindy Groin groind Yeah, I just I just looked
at my new life goal, get get get citizenship in

(05:09):
Greenland and then start calling it groin Land once you
can't stop me. I got the papers, bitches. So yeah,
this report is not so good. It's really not so
There's some good news and a lot of bad news,
and the good news is all kind of theoretical, as

(05:30):
in large aspects of this could be mitigated significantly, thing
like things like the good like there's always good news
about climate change, and that good news is if we
all worked together and the power that we we still

(05:53):
agree on literally anything, then we can get out of this.
This is the part. This is from the Atlanta um
that's cooring from the report. There are still emissions pathways
that would lead us to limiting warming to one and
a half degrees, but they require deep, rapid cuts and
greenhouse gas emissions. Flato said that leaves a glimmer of

(06:13):
optimism that we could limit warning warming levels to that,
but it would require much more expedient action from the
United States than is contemplated in say, the bipartisan infrastructure
bill that Congress is currently considering. So yes, the the
hopeful part of this report is that we have the

(06:35):
slightest chance if we act now, if we were already acting,
But that we currently do not see any action happening,
which is what we know. It's yeah, it's the there's
the fight between sort of like the doomers and the
people who are trying to point out like like the
United States over the last couple of decades has had

(06:57):
the largest I think, if I'm not mistaken, the largest
rop overall in emissions of any country on Earth. That's
also like not enough, And it's it's this question of like, yeah,
if we were to transition immediately to like nuclear and
hydro electric power and like cut out all emitting vehicles
and and replace them with like a mix of electric

(07:18):
vehicles and public transit infrastructure, Um, we could we could
cap warming at one point five degrees and that would
be less catastrophic. But like at one point five degrees
of warming, which we're going to hit right, there's no
stopping it. If we were to cut right now today,
if we were to stop all other forms of emissions
but agriculture like that what's necessary to provide our food,

(07:41):
we would hit one point five degrees of warming by
something like that. Um. The so much of the carbon
necessary to get us to one point five has already
been put into the atmosphere and the process of warming
has started and that cannot be reversed. Like the technology
does not exist, right, Well, that's the thing, Like the
technology doesn't technically exist yet. There's carbon forms of carbon

(08:05):
capture people are working on and uh, you know, trees
do it, um and a lot, because there's like carbon
capture technology has just been used to enable more hydra
hydraulic fracking, right right exactly. M yeah. But like but
like it's like the idea is because like, yes, we

(08:26):
stop burning fossil fuels, just like stop it today. Yeah. Um,
but if we like there are and again it's like
more intense and drastic than anyone is actually willing to do.
So that's the real depressing thing. But there are things
we can do and like stop like getting to net
zero greenhouse gas emissions. Uh, and there are things we

(08:51):
can do to it will slowly reverse. We can slowly
reverse it. Uh. Well, we've gotten to this point and
like the carbon in there, but like there are points
in time where like if we reduce by this much
by this time and reduced by this much by this time,
get it to net zero and then even like negative

(09:12):
the warming can reverse. It will be very very very slow.
But like, well, and in the meantime, how many ice
sheets they're melting and how much at the sea level rising? Yeah? Right,
well that's the thing, like these things are going. This
is gonna be, um a very stupid question that will

(09:33):
either cut out or somebody will um respond and educate
us on what is warmth? What is warmth? Yes, is
the opposite of cold? Okay, Okay, that makes much money.
I'm interested in desalinization, and I understand that the technology

(09:57):
is such at least from what I last was looking
into it, um that the energy that the cost of
it isn't cost effective. And I'm sure that there are
other um effects things that happened, you know, to the
ecosystems of the ocean. But I'm always curious as we
have more more of a water crisis and sea levels

(10:18):
aren't rising. This is so simplistic. I'm like, let's filter
out the ocean water, let's use it. But um, I
feels like that's something that's very very far away. And
there's probably a lot of reasons why everything I've just
said is stupid because it is not in my world
of expertise. So the salon and I'm not an expert
into salonization either. It's certainly not as much of a

(10:40):
pie in the sky thing as carbon capture, right because
we already do there are the salonization plants that there
are scale and stuff, as opposed to like carbon captures
are much more primitive and less so Like, yeah, I
think it's it's inevitable that we will get better at
and more efficient at the salonization. It's incredibly power intensive
right now, and it doesn't solve One of the things

(11:00):
that doesn't solve is the problem of like how fucked
the water cycle has gotten, which is why you have
these continent spanning droughts, right, And you can you can potentially,
with like a massive effort at the salonization, ensure that
people have access to clean water. That doesn't mean that
the desertification stops, you know, which is a concern. I mean,

(11:23):
there's taught. I mean, and then you can talk about like, right,
the Emirates they're doing cloud seating now and and causing rainfall.
And I don't think we I don't think we're we
know enough to know like if that were to be
adopted at a larger scale, what how that's going to
change the water Like all the different side effects that's
going to have. That's one of the problems. You're China
was doing some of that, Yes, maybe, like there's so

(11:43):
many complex systems involved in climate climates. It's a it's
a it's a collection of a lot of different variables.
And there are things that we're going to do and
try and some will work and some might have effects
that we don't think. Some are scary. I mean, being
able to control the weather is terrifying. Something like there's

(12:04):
so many things that we could do that we won't
do um because the political will is not there um
and you know, Bidens like approved so many fucking oil
pipelines and like call subsidies and ship but like, the
the effect of this report is like it is like
it's the the duomer slash like maybe a little bit
of hope. And I hate that those are the only

(12:27):
two options because what we're seeing now with like like
especially with the like the Republican Party, but also like
quote reasonable people where it's like Okay, so you deny
it's happening, and then you say like, okay, maybe it's happening,
but we didn't have anything to do with it. Okay,
maybe we we did have something to do with it,
but we're you know, gonna there's nothing we can do
about it now and so and so forth. And now

(12:48):
it's exactly the point where like this report is like
the end result is I've seen I've seen people be like,
so like, why should we do anything, Why would we
like do anything to like affect the economy when we
know it's it's happening, it's already happening. Therefore, why do
anything and like that's that's not what the report. Well, yeah,
but like the report makes it clear, like there are

(13:09):
things to be done. There's a whole like section like
report for policymakers, Um, but the headlines are all like
we're fucking doomed and uh, it would be nice to
get a little bit of the other part. Yeah, absolutely,
I mean, for just going back to that quote that
I read, it would require much more expedient action for

(13:32):
me on states than is contemplated. And say, the bipart
is an infrastructure bill, Well, this is what we're talking
about when you're investing in new technologies, into the infrastructure
of preparing our country for what is coming in and
into the research and development of technologies that will actually
help to mitigate this, right, and there's like a there's

(13:52):
an element. I feel like we're gonna get to like
we're gonna get to the point where much of the
legislation and the actions taken are no longer gonna be about, well,
we have to reduce emissions, we need to reduce this,
we need to do carbon like all these things to
actually get the carbon out. Uh. Instead of that, it's

(14:12):
going to be okay, Well, how can we sort of
like mitigate the effects. How can we like ensure that
uh you know, um, all these extreme weather scenarios aren't
as I have such a drastic effect on people, um,
and that stuff we should do. But I feel like
that's going because it's quote inevitable and there's nothing we

(14:34):
can do about it. I feel like the shift is
gonna be towards Okay, well, how do we like like
on the on the defensive more than the offensive, which
is what we need to do both. I mean, here's like,
here's like infrastructure. Yeah, there's there's no effective way to
reverse or even a halt the damage without mass organization.

(14:59):
It can't be done. Um, the governments of the world
and of the of the primary carbon emitting nations as
they currently exist are not going to stop emitting fast
enough um or at all, because there's a sizeable chunk
within our government with another democratic carbon emitting nations of
the populace who actively support increasing emissions as much as

(15:23):
possible just to own the libs. UM, Like, that's a
that's a factor, Like we're we're basically we're in a
situation where the car is headed towards a wall, like
we're driving a full van directly towards a wall. And
it is true that we could stop or we could
turn the car. There are ways to avoid the wall,
but a huge chunk of people in the vehicle believe

(15:47):
that windows are a government conspiracy and the other half
think that walls aren't real. Um, And so there's no
I I am, I am not. I'm not hopeless about
the possible ability of mass action too, especially mass action
you know, in in the next ten years or so,
to to reverse and attempt to actually like repair some

(16:11):
of the damage. And I think that's important to try
to agitate for people. But in the immediate term, um,
what we're looking at is adaptation on a community level
to keep people alive, because it's it's just not going
to get it's not going to get solved quick enough. Um,
it's not. There's no political will to do it. People

(16:32):
are going to like we can't get everyone to wear
a fucking mask during a plague. We are not going
to suddenly stop emitting carbon. We're not going to kill
the fossil fuel industry. We're not going to um transition
over to nuclear and other and you know, in forms
of like more reasonable renewable power. We're not going to
do any of that stuff. Um, it's just not going

(16:54):
to happen in the immediate term. It's possible to start
and continually build support for that. Like, what's necessary for
that kind of change is um, something like a general strike,
something on an international scale that involves tens or hundreds
of millions of people, um, taking concerted action to what's

(17:16):
necessary is we're not going to vote the change that
is needed in what's necessary is the the democratic equivalent
of a heart attack through the the the capillaries of capital.
Like that's that's what's actually necessary is something that stops
by force, um, the the engine as it is going.

(17:38):
And in order for things to get going again, changes
have to be made, Demands have to be set like
that's that's the only thing that's going to that that
that's capable of causing the kind of um change that's necessary,
and that's just not going to happen um immediately. And
even if it does, even if we were to get
a mass movement going tomorrow that in six months time

(17:59):
had secured concessions and we knew that in five years
we're going to completely stop admitting carbon into the atmosphere,
we would still have to be adapting for the next
thirty years of our lives to the new climate which
is inevitable, which is coming you know. UM. Well, right,
that's the that's the thing where it's like you have
like two things have to happen. Really adapting to what's

(18:22):
coming and happening now and doing everything we should have
been doing the past thirty or forty fifty years uh
to help slow it and ultimately hopefully reverse it yum.
And maybe one of those things will happen, like maybe
we will uh work to adapt. I mean, well, we
will obviously inevitably do that, because that's what humans do.

(18:45):
That's why we're we conquered the planet. We're highly adaptable,
especially when like our backs are against the wall. When
it's the last minute, that's when we'll do stuff. Um.
We even though we have a great concept of time,
is the last in the future, it is. Well, it's
not because it's not because it's not literally outside our doors.

(19:07):
It's you can ignore it, you can forget about it.
But this is actually the last minute. Yeah, we have
entered the last minutes and it's terrifying. Um, it's very hard.
Every day. I know that I say that I feel
like a broken record, but I feel it every day
I think about this. Yeah, I mean it's there's an

(19:30):
article that just came out in the Independent today about
all of the entire Mediterranean is on fire, massive wildfires,
even threatening large cities, destroying centuries old all of groves,
and it's happening in multiple countries. And the end of
this article is, um, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna
read these last two paragraphs. But instead of coming to

(19:52):
grips with the reality of the changing climate, those living
in the wildfire stricken countries are instead casting about for conspiracies.
Some Turks, for example, will have alleged that the Kurdish
separatists associated with the Kurdistan Workers Party p KK set
the fires. People in Italy think it's the mafia, says Ms.
Sin Khan. People in Greece think it's the Turks. People
in Turkey think it's the p KK. But no one

(20:13):
stops to think did they all organized to start the
fires around the same week. People don't like to focus
on the big picture. No, they don't. They want to
black pilling, you know, not that that's a productive way
to think. But like you have to, so much of
the solution to this problem has nothing to do with like,

(20:35):
so much of the solution to this problem is we
are pre when it comes to actually fixing this. We're
not at the stage of stopping carbon release. We're at
the stage of getting people to embrace UM compatible ideas
of basic reality. And that's necessary to push through demand
if to do democratically any of the changes that are necessary,

(20:59):
if you're not hoping like some dictator arises, who's going
to force change on billions of people, which is um
not my preferred Um Yeah, I mean, and I don't.
I don't. We've never figured out how to correct this
differing reality questions, So you know, no, and to a

(21:24):
certain extent, I mean, one of the frightening things about
our present situation is that, uh, it's kind of like
you've said that. One of the things that's gotten viral
this week is like Candice Owens on Twitter talking about
like banks buying up houses and like all of this,
all of this like capitalistic factory that is driving up
rent prices and causing inflation, and like calling it corporate community.

(21:46):
I was gonna say, corporate communism is what we love.
All of the right, well, all of the things that
are caused by the continued refusal to accept the reality
of climate change will be blamed on the left in
immigrants justification. It's very frustrating. It's extremely frustrating. And again,

(22:07):
if your hope is not, uh Stalin arises up out
of the mist with superpowers and takes over the world
and forces action on climate change, And boy, how do
if you think that's realistic, don't look at Stalin's history
on the climate. UM. If your if your hope is
not some sort of woke dictatorship arises and forces change,

(22:28):
you have to figure out how to get people to
accept the problem. Like this I I p c C
report is utterly damning UM, but also on a political standpoint,
will have no impact whatsoever, and it won't happen. And
I'm not just blaming the right because it will have
no impact on the Republicans. Biden is not going to
do anything about this. He's approved a shipload of drilling,

(22:49):
shiploads of new pipelines, like they don't give a ship. Um,
not going to do anything about this either, other than
though he'll tweet, he'll say, like we have to come together,
build back America better. He'll tweet and he'll talk about
how cool the new electric jeep is, and the new
electric jeep is pretty rad, but it's not the solution,

(23:10):
and we do have to stop and take a quick ada.
I think we should have nothing to do with our
present climate problems, not at all. But then we'll we'll
talk some some more about this everything. We are back

(23:37):
and we solved it. I'm not going to tell you
the solutions because figure it out for yourself. Um, we
gotta gotta counts more if you come up with yourself
trade market. How do y'all How do y'all feel about
this whole showering Hollywood thing? It's overrated us like showering,

(24:00):
it's weird, like give me attention. Trends like no, it's
not the story talking about it. It's like, shout out,
I don't take a bath. That thing like that keeps
happening that, like you said it, there's been several and

(24:20):
they're just telling you they're depressed. Ashton Kutcher, Mila Kunas. Yeah,
to cry for help you guys. I liked. I liked
when that happened. Uh. Literally on the day. Uh, Chris
Evans was doing like some like skype thing and someone
asked him about it. It was like one of the
things like I need to go to the people and

(24:41):
let them know I do shower recoltly. But yeah, where
do you guys stand on showers? I shower every day.
I go to the gym all the time and run,
so I shower. I usually once a day. I'll get
up and I'll funk around on the internet and then
I'll work out and then I shower. Uh. And that's
that's a pretty normal human thing to do. I think.
I don't think you need to shower every day. I

(25:03):
know people who don't and don't smell bad. But it's
like it's whatever. I don't give a shit about other
people's If I work out a shower, but if not.
I can go a day without it. I can, yeah,
but it doesn't seem like these people are talking about
going a day without it. It seems like like this
weird like if you rub your body with the right

(25:24):
uh mother's dirt or whatever thing, you don't ever need
to bathe yourself. And like, I don't know, people do
all sorts of weird. Ship. I don't care. Um yeah,
Um the rock who he showers three times? He would
have to because he's working out, Like he works out.
He works out twice a day. You work out twice

(25:45):
a day anyway. But also I think Katie raises a
good point, which is I don't care. Yeah, yeah, who
gives a ship? That is the only reasonable response. Um,
get me started on bad? Um? Do we want to
keep talking about our climate catastrophe here? Do we want
to move on to greener pastures? As we speak? Is

(26:10):
clearly on a buckload of speed. Talking at a cyber
symposium is probably also on a shipload of speed. I
would assume, Um, is that? Why would you? Um? No,

(26:30):
it's just very funny. He's he's doing the cyber symposium
to prove voter fraud or whatever, and somebody like as
he was up on stage. Somebody said, Hey, I think
we're ready to break for lunch, and he got angry
at them and he was like, we're not going on break.
There's no breaks. This never stops. You guys can go eat,
but I'm not eating. I'm gonna stay up here for
seventy two hours. And it's just like that strong former

(26:53):
crack addict current something addict like Mike, you are you are?
You are racked as shit? This wave? Oh man, did
he solve cyber? He sure did, Cody Finally, I don't know.

(27:16):
Should we talk about the actual findings of this I
PCC how much speed Mike Lindell was on. I think
that is a good idea. Yeah, here are some key
points to share. The I p c C report global
service temperature was one point zero nine degrees celsie is

(27:37):
higher in the decade between two thousand eleven and two
thousand and twenty, then between eighteen fifty and nine hundred.
That's not good. Well, they didn't understand temperature back then.
I'm sure it's fine. The past five years have been
the hottest on record since eighteen fifty. Well, that's only
a hundred and fifty or so years. I'm sure it's fine. Right.

(27:58):
The recent rate of c of all rise has nearly
tripled compared with nineteen o one to nine one. The
ocean is beautiful, and we wanted to rise. I see
no problem. Human influence is very likely the main driver
of the global retreat of glaciers since the nineteen hundreds

(28:19):
and the decrease in the Arctic sea ice. Humans are precious,
We're valuable. We rule the planet. I would rather have
humans than Arctic sea ice. Next point, are not precious.
I think of the two things that are precious, we
are the least precious. Okay, it's vitally virtually certain that
hot extremes, including heat waves, have become more frequent and

(28:40):
more intense since the nineteen fifties, while cold events have
become less frequent and less severe. He we extremes make
you value the other extremes even more so. If you're
really hot, then when you're really cold, you're like, oh wow,
this is nice compared to the really hot time. I
think it's good. You've got states to each other. This
one great, You're gonna love this one. The Arctic is

(29:02):
likely to be practically ice free in September at least
once before in all scenarios assessed. That's a nice little
treat for the Arctic. Okay, exact, it's called it's called
it's called variety, which is I'm told, despite of life,

(29:23):
thank you very much, I p c C get out
of here. Um actually so contract to what I was
just doing. This all sounds real bad. One thing I
have seen which is incredible. It's gonna be said a
lot more and more. Uh, look look out for it.
We love Republican talking points and climate deni talking points. Uh.

(29:46):
The heat wave cold thing is actually a thing that
people are gonna be saying. Um because extreme heat kills
fewer people apparently than extreme cold. Therefore, if temperature up
there are fewer cold events. That means that few people
die of extreme cold. Um die from fires. And yeah,

(30:09):
um I've literally seen that. Um are good friend friend
of the cast, Pala the cast. Ben Shapiro is diving
into this talking point, So we will see people say
more and more this is good. Actually climate change is good. Uh,
it's actually reducing um cold deaths and uh so literally

(30:34):
this is what they're going to do. Um, They're going
to say it's fine, it's happening anyway, what are we
gonna do about it? Or it's actually good, it helps. Um,
it's really just this one. This isn't one of the lists.
This is back from the Atlantic piece. The authors could
not eliminate from their models the small chance that some

(30:56):
of the largest glaciers in West Antarctica could catastrope offically
collapse this century. In that scenario, humanity could see more
than six and a half feet of sea level rise
by wow, and perhaps as much as sixteen ft of
sea level rise. Here's the thing, It's like, it's this

(31:20):
thing could happen. If this happens, then that well, these
things do happen. We're seeing them start to happen. Uh.
You know, the ground is thawing in places. There's in Russia.
I believe it was Russia. Um, prehistoric ice is melting
and releasing gases because it's never been. Ancient viruses, sweet, sweet,

(31:47):
ancient viruses coming up. Oh, we're never getting out of this.
We're always gonna have to another. Well, it also means
another Kurt Russell movie. Finally, finally, Kurt Russell, drunk on
wild turkey, piloting a helicoptering dogs and stuff. Yeah, he

(32:11):
does shoot some dogs dosignates dogs. Yeah, the dog needed
to be shot. We're all good, it's true, perfect movie.
Um yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, like even if that's
the thing. A lot of these things are exacerbated, right.
You have like solar forcing, which which increases the cycle.
You have all these ancient places melting and releasing more,

(32:35):
more and more gas into the atmosphere, which makes it
more and more. Um I what if okay, so what if?
What if? All right, okay, okay, hearing you out? What
if we build back better? M or you know, why

(33:00):
would we even build build, just build, build, keep doing
the same thing, but without tweeting as much. Oh that's interesting, okay, yeah,
I prefer to build back better. Um yeah, this is
all very uh depressing. I think that we can. So
there's some folks pointing out some of the good ish

(33:23):
news not good news, but like not the most dire thing.
The report has been able to bring multiple lines of evidence,
new observations, theory, new sets of simulations study paleo climates
together to make far more robust and constrain climate projections.
So it seems like we will at least no more
accurately in detail. What to expect much more certainty that

(33:44):
if we get to net zero, ceo to its contribution
to further warming is also likely to stop. This is
in spite of continued permouth ross thawing. So again, like,
if we get to net zero, we are still in
the position we are, but it will not get worse.
And that's that's the thing. We want to make it
not worse. Uh. Many extremes are related to temperature, So

(34:06):
if we do halt warming, a lot of extremes will
stop getting worse. Again. It's but they we will. But
that it doesn't mean we will stop having summers like this.
It means the summers won't get marked exactly. That's the thing.
It's like, we are here, we were all experiencing it. Now,
we see the weather, we see all these things. That's
where it actually means, for like the next twenty years

(34:28):
or so, the summers will continue to get as much
worse as this summer was, as the last twenty years,
but it will not continue past that point. The decline
and the increase are continuing down the directory. But there
is a possibility to stop that uh in twenty or
thirty years or so. UH, and then we can all

(34:48):
live forever. Best case broadly like our best case like
potentially conceivable situation is we we cap warming it around
one and a half degree celsius best case um, and
that still means about a hundred and fifty million excess
deaths a year as a result of air pollution. Well,

(35:09):
what if we move the pools into space? Well, Cody,
what if we I mean, theoretically, if we were to
put all of our nukes and China's nukes and Russia's
nukes in the center of the world and detonate them,
we could crack the world us breaching the atmosphere and
just bleeding all of that carbon off into space. That's true,

(35:31):
That is that is their problem, and space is problem.
I don't know why our leaders aren't thinking outside the box,
like the Duke the core. If we can just cap it,
then we'll all just the thing. I was looking for
a joke about how we're going to evolve to all

(35:51):
just hand really nicely, but I couldn't. I mean, we
are going to evolve to handle this, and we are
going to a lot of have very nice hands. There
will also be a lot of additional skincain cancer, That's
what I'm thinking. But well, if we can keep it
there in a hundred years or so, maybe skin maybe

(36:11):
we'll have less skin cancer because we as good when
you get enough of it. Yeah, that's actually we haven't.
We haven't looked into that. We need more signs. We haven't.
Where's the data. M Yeah, have we tried reaching critical
mass of skin cancer? I don't think so. I'll look

(36:33):
it up. But no, Methane reductions in the next ten
years can reduce unprecedented near term warming rate and improve
air pollution. We could do that again. We can have
fucking Joe Biden like stop approving all these fucking pipelines
and like coal substance projections show that if we reduce
emissions rapidly next ten years and get the net zero

(36:53):
CEO two globally around, we still have a good chance
of limiting warming to one point five degrees celsius. This
it's it's this is sort of like a repetition of
the same I was gonna say, Are we just making
the same point? Yes, because there's not a lot of
and we need to RePhase it over and over to
make us feel like it's good and we're fine and

(37:15):
everything's fine and we're good Furthermore, if we go further
and achieving at zero greenhouse gas emissions, the temperature change
should even start to slowly go in reverse. That's that's
again more or less the same thing, but it's phrased
slightly differently, and it's additional point. That's six. That's six
good things instead of one possible better if we immediately

(37:35):
take extreme action. By the time people who are within
our age group are like seventy something, we could be
having summers and falls like the ones that happened when
we were eighteen. Yeah, and those were nice. California was
only often on fire. Fewer fires, still fires, still fires,

(37:58):
still many, still a lot of fire, fewer because yeah,
fewer than only fires. I know there used to be
fires when I was a kid growing up in California,
but I don't. And there's a lot of fires California.
There are so many fires, and I know that they happened,
but not it's just obviously not like this. We're getting closer.

(38:19):
We never stopped. We have the second largest fire currently
in our state's history, currently raging. Yeah, we do suck
on that camp fire coming for you very um. On
that note, we need to take another break and then
we will be back though with the seventh item of

(38:42):
good news about this report, so that everything we're back
of good news is that death is inevitable and all

(39:04):
of the people who helped cause this will one day
join the same black void as the rest of us.
I had a thought, none of their wealth will protect them, Yes,
you know, like I fear, like I think, no I do.
I think on my on my walk today, I was
thinking about climate change and I was thinking about I mean,

(39:28):
I'm terrified of dying in a natural disaster. I'm terrified
of being crushed a natural disaster, sure, or like ship crash,
then like being enveloped in flames in my home as
I sleep but then wake up first, don't worry for

(39:51):
the whole thing. Don't worry m But I had this
moment staring into the void where I kind of shrugged
and I was like, I think that we're all just
going to have to accept that that's a distinct possibility.
And they did and I accepted it. I was like, Okay,
I have to start accepting that I might die horribly,
but it'll be over fast. If if you're listening to this,

(40:16):
multiple people you love will die in disasters that can
some way be be traced to climate change. Now they
won't often be fires. I think it will more often
be stuff like supreme heat waves that lead to sinkholes,
heat waves that lead to the power going out, that
lead to people once they start getting older, just dropping
or you know, reaching the point where sweat can't cool
them down and they don't realize that they're overheating and

(40:37):
then they die in the street. Um. People getting sort
of water borne illnesses because infrastructure, you know, is failing.
People dying from things, injuries that aren't themselves related to
climate change, but are unable to be treated because due
to a variety of disasters, we are so wildly understaffed
with doctors and nurses. UM, which were tins of fast

(40:58):
or the power sort of dynamic, Like maybe something happened
recently where I can't think of it. I don't know,
sounds familiar. News was in January, but let me take
a sip of coffee and google what has happened since January.

(41:20):
I mean, we just saw in Texas last winter, you know,
an extreme weather cycle that freezes all the pipes and
the pipes burst and people don't have heat or electricity
and hundreds of people. That waters. So no steps. That's
why it's hard when we're like when it's not until

(41:41):
it's right in front of your faces, it's in front
of our faces. Like I don't it's in front of
our faces. We still managed to um not be taking action.
Should we talk about this is depressing and it's been
very fun. But should we talk about this California recall election?

(42:02):
I think we should? Oh yeah I have. Let's talk
about our two two of America's favorite governors. Oh yeah,
we do. Let's let's just have a moment to celebrate
Andrew Cuomo not ever going to be president. Yeah that's well,
we don't know, America. We can't trust that, no clue.

(42:24):
We don't know what is next. Steps will be? Um
where my favorite question is where to find the house.
I'm sure he can get one. He's got to have
a house. Yeah, just ask his brother. I'm sure he's
going to stay with his brother for a little while.
Um that's normal. Yeah, yeah, but yes, sorry, know the

(42:48):
recall is I just got my sample ballot in the mail.
And because it's happening in like a few weeks. Now,
here's the thing, here's the thing. Yeah, there's they're they're
mailing out the ballots. Um, now now you should start
getting them, yes, mid August. Um, it's all so fucking dumb.

(43:11):
I'm not gonna sit here and say that I think
Gavin Newsom is a great governor or, that I want
him to be governor again. Um. But this recall election,
which is okay, okay, okay, okay, here's the thing. Here's
the thing, guys, California is a Democratic state. On paper,
you would think, no big deal, that isn't a stand

(43:31):
a chance. Well, nobody's paying attention to it. We don't
know if people are going to show up. They're not
galvanized by this. Most people haven't been listening. And also
most people are kind of ambivalent about Gavin Newsome. However,
Gavin and the Democratic Party have taken a gamble. They
because they don't want to split the ballot. They don't

(43:53):
want to obfuscate the situation. They are not running any
other Democrats. So the first item on the ballot is
do you support the recall, yes or no or whatever?
And then the second question is if he's recalled, pick
your choice for governor. And it's full of Republicans and
they're like, and the Republican is the person that is

(44:16):
with most likely Larry. Yes, it's Larry Elder. He was
a conservative radio host. And yeah, it's really frustrating because
that's like, especially in the context of this report, like
a Republican governor if for California, is going to be
a real right. But I want to go back to
what Katie was saying about the ballot and how it works,

(44:37):
because Katie couldn't correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't
if it's proven that there needs to be recalled and
then they vote for their candidate, don't they have to
only get of the vote? Yeah, that is so easy. Also,
new sums up for re election next year. This is
a lot of tax dollar exactly. Um, the money that

(44:57):
could be you know, put towards other things all and
and and so far from Newsom, I don't know about
you guys, but I've really only seen those like Elizabeth
Warren like like stop the Newsome Uh commercials. That's all
I've seen. That's it. Yeah, from from the Newsom side,
there's not a lot of talk of this coming out.

(45:20):
There hasn't been at least recently, And I don't know
if they're going to ramp it up. One thing, yeah, yeah,
one thing that is interesting that won't happen um. But
maybe in light of another governor resigning UM, if it's
getting really close and it looks like he's doomed, uh,
he could resign um and his Uh it's like the

(45:44):
deputy governor, I forget who would would be become the
governor um, and then they would cancel the election and
this would not happen. Our system is set up so fairly.
It's unreal life. Yeah, it's unreal. But like that requires
Newsome to be like for the for the greater good,

(46:05):
for the better of the state, and I need to
resign and have this person take my place so that
this recollection doesn't happen, so that they can actually be
like the regular election UM next year. That won't happen.
It won't happen. But the other part of it is

(46:25):
that Gavin Newsome is encouraging again part of this effort
to like discourage any of this from happening is also
discouraging people to then vote. In the second part, like
they're saying you have to vote for no against the recall,
but don't They're not pushing for people to vote that's
not part of their messaging. Yeah, they're not. They're not

(46:46):
planning a backup because the backup would mean he doesn't
get to have so like people Katie so on the ballot,
so you vote no, I don't want to do a recall.
Is Newsome listen as those other people or no? It's
just the their pole. It's like the other people that
are running. So they're just making it as confusing as
possible for people. From what I understand, the first question

(47:08):
is do you support their recall? Yes or no? And
then the next question is here are the candidates if
Governor Newsom is recalled, who do you vote for? So
I have my sample ballot here and Katie is correct,
the first question is do you do you want a recall?
Yes or no? And then the next part like it's

(47:29):
just all that. Wow, there's like sixty something of these
of these people and Newsom's not on there, so like
a lot of people are going to think that they're
obligated to give an answer that's so confused. Our state
is so stupid. Yeah, so confusing anyway, if somebody doesn't
get that threshold right ship. And here's the other part

(47:59):
of it that I think is important to note is, um,
Diane Feinstein is what eight years old? Um, and let's say,
and reportedly not doing well. I've heard like off the
record stories about her being should be for people her age.

(48:20):
I don't think I should say I don't support an
age cap. I support term limits. Yes, but also she's
let's just round up, she's ninety, um. But she might
not last. She might not last, And so whose job
is it to appoint the replacement? It would be the governor.

(48:41):
So theoretically, not enough people show up because they're not
paying attention, and you know, he gets recalled, and then
Larry Elder is our new governor and he gets to
you know, make Ben Shapiro the new freshman senator from
California or something. I don't know, you know what I mean.
He lives in Nashville. Now, oh that's right, he moved.

(49:04):
I'm sure he could fix that anyway. You get my point. Yeah,
it's a real frustrating situation that seems to happen all
the time, where uh, this person kind of sucks and
a better person would be good, but you have to
like defend them from like much worse people. Um. Because

(49:25):
Gavin newsm was like dog um Kimberly Gilfoyle's ex husband. Um.
But like but again like in the especially like in
the context of this, uh, this report. Uh, maybe you'd
be good to have at least somebody from the party
that technically allegedly believes it's a thing, even though again,

(49:50):
like news is done the similar the similar Democrat thing
where you like you, you say it's bad, you say,
oh kind of change is happening, but then you also
do this recall list is incredible of the people that
the sixties something people and like their jobs are not enough. Fascinating. Yeah,

(50:11):
I mean every time California, whenever it does something like this,
it's I mean, we all remember how fun the Gray
Davis recall was that Schwartzenegger. That was a good time
we had. We had we had fun, We had some laughs.
I mean, like, yeah, the people on here are give

(50:33):
me your favorite. Okay, Chauncey slim Killings. That is a
person's name of a candidate for governor of California. Uh Okay,
then we have I like the people that sounds like
one of the fake names, and that I think you
should leave baby of the Year sketches, like the several

(51:00):
candidates that put in that they are mother slash business owner,
father slash business right. I like the idea that the
business owner slash mother. I see where your priorities lie.
But someone's not an expert at the culture war. He
got a mother for incredible kids businesses. There's some pastors.

(51:23):
There's lots of aircraft, mechanic and actor. Good for you,
Oh great that he's good at both of those. Remember
the guy that did those uh bear ads where he
used to live bear uh which was not Yes, he
brought he brought to bear to a rally not just

(51:44):
animal abuse, but he thought it was bill. It was
at a California businessman, accountant and then father. I see you,
John Cox, free speech lawyer did did the bear guy
just just the guy to be his description the guy
from the guy with the bear? I would love if

(52:05):
one of them just once didn't say that. He just
said he should just put himself as granddaddy or daddy zaddy.
I don't mean. There's several Democrats on this list as well,
and there's lots of nope. But that's what I mean
is they're encouraging. They're not The Democratic Party hasn't like

(52:27):
promoted somebody or which I understand that they can't, but
they're also saying if you're don't even vote for your Democrat, right, like,
but like that's the thing, like if you're if this
is the fucking situation. But they have made this extremely
confusing because they have, like Katie said, it's like you
have to answer, do you so? Do you want so
you don't want to do the recall? Okay? And then

(52:50):
it's like the thing is directly under it and if
you don't know that you like a lot of people
think there's a narrative if you're voting, you have to
answer every single thing, and so it's very confusing. Um.
You know, I'm glad that people are still able to
vote by mail because obviously we want people to be safe,
and Delta is out here. Um, so I'm glad that

(53:14):
you know, California has those vote by mailbox is still
intact until Governor Larry Elder. Until Governor Larry Elder the
radio host what was his official time? Um, I think
I saw pastor and author. I was looking at a
little interview with him. Um. He said he believes in

(53:37):
climate change, but isn't sure how much it's contributing to
worsening wildfires. Um, you know the kind of guy just
bringing that around given the first part of our conversation. Um, yeah,
I mean it's not it's not a great situation. Hopefully

(54:00):
we all show up. So what I want to do
is personally, even though I don't want Gavin Newsom to
be our governor, I want to be encouraging people to
spread the word that they need to vote, and then
tell your family it doesn't matter, just do it and
then we can let well and then we vote in

(54:20):
a real election later and then we'll do that, but
we have to show up in primary. Gavin Newsom, pay
attention to this, but like, yeah, so like pay attention.
I mean, like I'm sure this is very California centric
right now, but you know, pay attention to your local politics.
Play attention to your local election. Your votes matter. Mhm

(54:42):
and um, all right, goodbye Governor Cuomo. Yeah, goodbye Governor Cuomo.
Will some pretty incredible Uh. We don't need to talk
about Cuomo more. Um, we can talk a up Cuomo more.
I guess I just keep saying, like, you know, it's
a shame you did this, this this, Uh, but he

(55:04):
still did a great job. As governors like are we
just did not are we just not like gonna ever
really like discussed the deaths that he tried to hide,
Like Cody, they were old. Yeah, oh sorry, Trash takes
to Beach from a different era, La la la, right,

(55:28):
but he's done. But all the things he's done are
like current. I've seen that. I've seen that Trash take
one too many times and it's it's not And he's Italian, yes,
and that and Italians are inherently dangerous when it comes
to physical contact. But that's why we shouldn't let them
be in office. That's why, that's why we record on zoom.

(55:48):
So I can't can't cuomo. Everybody have to Segalians. Cody
and I are both Italian, and that's why this show
doesn't remotely Oh yeah, Evans Italian, last name Evans. It
was originally a Fonzie. Ok uh, Katie Stoloni strong stoly alright,

(56:20):
the it's I do find it fascinating that he tried
to be like, I'm this is your Italian thing, like
I'm old or whatever. I don't know whatever, excuse uh.
There's a fucking amazing tweet from Alec Baldwin today that
I wanted to read oh do it? Please? Please? Can
you play the mandolin while you read it? I can
um to preface this, I saw this tweet and then

(56:44):
all right, so first the first the tweet. Here we go.
So we got a little all right regard. Regardless of
what you think of Cuomo, this is a tragic day.
Party politics in this country draw ambitious but ultimately isolated,
even socially maladjusted men and women who, given the current

(57:04):
cancel culture, will likely have their shortcomings exposed and magnified.
God who tweeted that? Balot Baldwin. I find it that's
so interesting because it's like clearly he's like, so like
your this is just about you, right, He's like, so
what's wrong with grabbing boobs and butts? So like obviously

(57:25):
it's like that, like because you know he's he's trumpy.
He played Trump on TV. But like he's it's the same.
It's the same, it's the same guy, just like one's
blue right, um and uh. To his credit, Alec Baldwin
has never sought political power. I will give him that.
He is a better person than Trump in that regard,

(57:46):
but he also has a foundation of something. If you
if you have some free time, google that voicemail he
left for his daughter. Seriously, Um, real, real rough moment.
But again, you know, shortcomings. And so I saw his
tweet and I was like going to go. I wanted
to know. I wanted him to describe the shortcomings, right,
because when you have this sort of vague like because

(58:06):
because the current canceled, first of all, cancer culture is
not current. It's forever politicians getting caught and then we're
having to resign because of behavior is not like a
new thing. So funk off with that, Mr Baldwin. But
when you have like this vague like short the shortcomings
are exposed, Alec, describe the shortcomings, explain what the shortcomings are.

(58:27):
Use your words. Um. So I went to I went
to his tweet to uh to ask him that, but
I found out that he had blocked me, like I've
literally I've literally never interacted with him before. So you
can see the tweet if you've been blocked or so
I saw a screenshot. Beautiful, But so that's that was

(58:49):
a little, a fun it's a fun little moment to
bring and that's some light, some lights into conversation. This
is a great, a really great way to end this
this episode. There's hope. There's hope out there. You two
could people glimmer a glimmer of hope if we act now. Yeah,
shortcomings out here. Oh yeah, we have a new daily show.

(59:12):
It's called The Daily Show with John Stewart. Never been
done before, brand new idea. Um, we're going to be incredible.
That's Italian. And then fifteen years later everyone's going to
be like, oh, you know what that that actually wasn't
nearly as good as I thought. It was nice. Yeah,
but hey we'll get I don't know why. It's snack

(59:35):
out of it? Um yeah, what's it actually called. It's
called it could have happened here. It's it's a new
season if it could happen here. But instead of it
being ten episodes, it's going to continue forever until we die. Yeah,
every day. It's a daily not but we say we
they maimed them, not us. Yeah, yeah, I was talking

(59:57):
about dying. I was talking about dying. Yes, there's will
I'll do that in a terrible way. I'm excited for this.
I mean, you're gonna be tired, but I'm excited for
the people. Yeah. Yeah. The first week is going to
be heavily scripted, basically a second season of It could
happen here If you remember what the first season was like,

(01:00:19):
that's the first five episodes, and then after that it's
going to be a news, uh, and culture podcast focused
on the fact that everything is falling apart, but with
a hopeful it's not. It's not. I've seen a lot
of comments and trying to figure out how to navigate
and survive. And and this is a this is a
search for hope type podcast, not a yeah, everything is horrible,

(01:00:42):
you know where hope is? But yeah, a lot of people,
I mean, that's exactly that is. There's one thing, if
there's one thing our generation has learned, it's that the
right way to deal with the collapse of all hope
is by eating ass fair enough, just like go to town.

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right up, getting right up in there. Also I could
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