The Weekend of so Many Different Kinds of Protests

In today's episode, we discuss the wide range of protests that happened over the weekend: the proud boys, QAnon, and black lives matter.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Worst Year Ever, a production of My Heart
Radio Together Everything. So don't don't hello listeners. Can you

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hear me? Can you? I can I'm listening. Who is this?
Where are we? I'm listening. This is Katie's stole yea
and we are yes from the podcast that. This is
from the podcast. This is that we're putting in the
Worst Year Ever. I never thought i'd meet you on
the podcast that I host with you. It's so nicely

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make your dreams come true. Yeah, I saw you before
we started recording, and here here you are still still
here I always will be because, as we have said
so many times, time is meaningless, so this is purgatory. Yes, Mike,

(01:09):
I welcome everybody to day like one and fifty of March.
We did it. We got were halfway through March, folks. Oh,
I guess my name is Johnson. We do that, right,
we do that at the beginning of the of the shows.
We don't know that we can prove that we do

(01:31):
not have Sophie with us here today because she's moving
and we miss her. Um I mean moving house locations,
not physically moving, although she might be currently physically around me.
You're moving right now. The plan is always revolving. I've
been told that's true. I haven't told that. I'm not
sure I believe it. But here we are. We're gonna

(01:54):
prevail even though she isn't here to keep things in check,
and it's going to go really smoothly. I'm gonna do
my best to remember when ad breaks are etcetera, etcetera,
so on, so forth. Today. Uh, we were going to
talk about other things, but as usual, the news marches

(02:16):
on and there have been a lot of protests for
a variety of different reasons out of the past weekend.
So we're going to dive into some of that. Some
of it will be familiar territory, some of it will
be infuriating. We're gonna do it together. Yeah, we are together, Robert.

(02:37):
Why don't we start by having you talk to us
about what you went through this past weekend in Portland? Uh? Well,
you know, uh it was, you know, a nice nice weekend, sunny, um,
low high semities, low eighties. Most the humidity like, um,

(03:00):
you know, it's it's Portland's so it wasn't dry, but
it wasn't it wasn't unreasonably humid. It's it's kind of
a perfect weather, perfect weather weekend. You know, the days
are still really long, so, um, it was lovely. It was.
That's all there is to say about this past weekend. Yeah,
that's but that's most of it. Like, that's the bulk
of it. Nice weather, nice weather. Uh, Nazi broke my

(03:23):
hand with a baton. But okay, let's dig into that
a little bit more. Yeah, well he was a Nazi
and he broke my hand with um with a telescoping
asp baton. I wasn't happy with his choices, I'll say
that much. Yeah, not decisions, stay at stay at home.

(03:44):
Um yeah, I would stay at home would have been
my preference for the Nazi as a general rule. If
Nazis are going to do anything, I would prefer they
be hiding in their homes. So what was this protest? Well,
it was a couple of things. So there was an
event that was a UM like and there all over

(04:05):
the country there were a bunch of Q and On
events that were like rebranded to save the children. Um,
So they were trying to kind of like rebrand and
hide Q and On as an anti you know, child
trafficking thing. And we will be digging into that aspect
of it. So that was an aspect of and there
were a lot of q and honors there. Um. There
was another aspect of it that was, um a back

(04:28):
the Blue rally, you know, after Portland's almost ninety days
of protests. Um, some police supporters wanted to do a
rally showing the police that they still supported them. And
then another chunk of it was a bunch of proud
boys showing up. UM because folks like Andy no Um
and other kind of right wing agitators had made a

(04:48):
big deal out of the fact that the Sunday before
a man, a driver UM who was himself pretty intoxicated
and driving erratically, was kind of mistaken for someone trying
to run people down by a group of also very
drunk people in front of a seven eleven who assaulted
him horrifically UM, and one of them like cracked his

(05:10):
skull with his foot, like like stomped him and not
stopped him, like kicked him while he was Like it
was just a really ugly assault, and it was spun
by the right wing media as like BLM protesters attacked
this guy and generally like they attacked him for being
white and stuff, and that's untrue. For one thing. I'm
aware of the people who are responsible, so is every
reporter who's covered it, and they're they're people who are

(05:33):
um problems and have been but are not members of
the are not members in good standing of the protest scene,
shall we say. Um. And the bulk of them were
just folks were drunk in front of a seven eleven.
And the victim himself when interviewed, when he when he
got out of the hospital because thankfully he's recovered, it
was like very clear that like, these people weren't protesters.
This was not at or part of a protest. These

(05:54):
were just a bunch of drunk people who assaulted me. Um.
And it's not be limb thing. Yeah, that's like a
thing that is really hard to sift through and keeps
getting harder and worse. UM, because this is like there
there are these instances where there is just like protest violence,

(06:16):
and it is always spun as being a part of
whatever protest it's near or at or during, and um,
more often than not, it turns out, well, no, these
are just people who were there and this happened. Yeah,
tied to it a lot of the violence at the

(06:36):
chop that occurred right like or the chairs or whatever
you wanna call it in Seattle. Um. Like, the more
information that comes out about this is particularly the first
shooting or the first two shootings, I think, UM, the
clear it is that like a lot of this was
just sort of gang related because there are pre existing
sort of like things criminal ship. There's pre existing criminal
ship happening in the neighborhood before it got taken over,

(06:59):
and it didn't disappear year just because they they temporarily
kicked the cops out, um, and that had an impact.
And like this is this seven eleven. Some of the
people who were hanging out in front of it that
night are people who have taken part in protests. Actually
a lot of them were kind of like peace police type,
which is the term kind of derogatorily given to some
of them, because there are members of a group called

(07:19):
the Portland Protests Bureau and they're sort of the folks
who tried to avoid conflicts with the police. Right. So
that was some of the folks who were out in
front that night. Um. Others were people who had you know,
just attended protests one way or the other. Um, A
bunch of them were just folks who I have never
seen at protests and probably were just drunk in front
of the seven eleven, because that's seven eleven in particular.

(07:41):
You can go back a couple of years their stories
about like they used to they tried playing super loud
classical music outside of it in the dead of night
because so many houseless people and other like individuals who
were intoxicated were congregating by it, and it was a
problem for the people who worked inside. So this, this
seven eleven in particular is a difficult location and regularly

(08:03):
has had issues like this um And you know, this
was not a protest where this occurred. That was kind
of the important thing, and it was spun as being
this is part of a protest. This was a crowd
at a protest who attacked this man, when that's very
much not what happened. But it got a bunch of
people really riled up, right, and it got them willing.
It got a lot of folks wanting to go to

(08:25):
Portland and fight. A big part of what occurred on
Saturday is that for like a week or so, I
mean for weeks, people like Andy had been kind of
riling people up with different edited videos of protests to
try to convince them that um, you know, uh, Portland
was was out of control and there was horrible violence
and needed to be stopped by good patriots. Um. And

(08:46):
this kind of guy getting horribly injured by a kick
to the head was the last straw for a lot
of them. So they were kind of framing this as
like we're going to come clean up the city. So
all this stuff kind of coalesced into this. Probably three
heard something people on the right wing side, which is
the largest gathering they've had in quite a while. Um,
and they were very heavily armed. Yeah, it looked like

(09:09):
very It was very large compared to like a lot
of the like a lot of the scuffles and like,
uh just random like cosplay kind of stuff that that
sporadically happens. It seemed like a more organized like, no,
we're gonna go We're all gonna go here, and we're
all gonna go for a rumble. We're gonna try to
do shield walls. A significant number of them had guns.

(09:30):
They pretty much all had mace, A lot of them
had knives. Most of them had big wooden sticks or
telescoping batons or pipes. Um. They threw explosives that really
badly injured two people. Um that we're not just fireworks.
They came ready to fucking throw down, um and one
of you hurt people. Yeah, just like a lot of

(09:52):
like smoke bombs. I saw a lot of like back
and back and forth, basically just like throw it, they
throw it back, they throw it back, they throw it back.
That part's pretty normal, right, Like that's that's that's just
smoke bombs. They threw things that exploded and hurt people
with trapnel Jesus were there? Did anybody get arrested? No,
of course not no, of course, not until there was

(10:14):
a BLM protest that night, right right, right, right, Okay,
well they were like yeah, there's a lot of just
a lot of instances of basically, um, you can see
it where there are these two groups of people protesting
and the police have their backs towards the Proud Boys

(10:34):
and are facing the bl yeah protesters or just like
the protests, basically Proud Boys leaving like all right, we're
done here, and then unlawful assembly is called. Yeah, that's
what happened here because there actually weren't police out at
all during the fighting, Like there were there were no
police that I could see anywhere. I mean, we were

(10:57):
for the night the whole fight. A heard it directly
in front of the police station. Um, like on the
steps of the police station. People were fighting, UM and
they never came out. And it is one of those
things where like it's worth mentioning and I think worth
giving them shipped for. And the mayor has like come
up with a really shitty response and he was like,
what did you expect them to do? People were angry

(11:19):
at the police, and the police were like, well, we
couldn't be out there because we were too tired from
the night before and were sleeping, was correct. Yeah, no,
that's what they said. That's literally the excuse that they
are you fucking kidding me? And it it is you know,
we should we should highlight those things because it's examples
of like what pieces of ship they are, Um, what

(11:41):
liars they are. But at the end of the day,
I'm glad the cops weren't there. If the cops had
been there, more people would have been hurt. Um. The the
the anti fascist you know, the people of Portland UM
very successfully rallied. You know. When the rally started there
were fifty or so right wing folks, twenty or so

(12:01):
left wing folks, and then you know, another couple of
hundred right wing folks showed up, and there were maybe
a hundred hundred and fifty left wing folks, um, and
that's when they did a lot of the violence they did.
But over the course of about two two and a
half hours, like like two thousand people swarmed into the
park and they were like fucking loaded to fight. Like
like when they started, like it was hundreds of people

(12:23):
in black block all covered up with shields, UM, and
like all of the like medics and stuff they scrambled. Um.
They scrambled a whole team of like a dozen trained
nurses and e m t s with about an hour's
notice um to be out there providing emergency medical And
when I got when they broke my hand, all I
had to do was like step back from the line,

(12:45):
um and into the park and call medic And there
was just a dude, they're dressing my wound like that.
It was very like very effective community self defense on display.
So I can say we should highlight how useless the
police were because they were completely helpless and completely unwilling
to help in this situation. But at the end of
the day, if the police had been involved, this would

(13:06):
have been a much uglier situation. I hear that and agree,
of course, but it does fly. Yeah, it does fly
in the face of this whole lawn order narrative of
their here to protect the community, serve the community when
they won't even show up when the actual violence is erupting,

(13:28):
when things are actually out of control. No, they'll come
up to they'll show up to, you know, Lives Matter protesters.
That the next night they declared a riot within five
minutes of the crowd showing up outside the police union
and just immediately started launching tear gas. Very clear example

(13:49):
of they they're there to protect property that's there for.
They're not there to protect people. Yeah. No, they're not
there to protect people. And they're not good at protecting people. Um,
and they're not good at like it's one of those things.
So I am. I am like, So, I guess I
should talk about the assault that happened folks who haven't

(14:11):
and what you've found out about the guy's identity since then.
Oh yeah, and also that that Nazi trying to tell
you to leave. Yeah, that happened a couple of times.
So I made a decision early on as a journalist,
you're always trying to answer questions, right, um. And I
kept seeing at the very start of this some of
these guys waving their weapons in people's places, telling them

(14:32):
to move to certain areas, and like doing it in
like cop tones. So I would stand in areas where
they were not and I would start filming things. But
I would stand in areas that I thought there was
a chance they might attempt to advance too, because I
wanted to know what they would do if they moved
into the space a reporter was and wanted him to move.
I wanted to know how they would how they would act. Um.

(14:54):
And the answer is that they repeatedly threatened me with violence.
One guy shoved me, or attempted to shove me. Um,
he was not very good at it. Another guy I had,
Alan Swinney, who's a kind of famous local neo Nazi,
threatened me with a can of mace and just kept
like shouting at me to move and I didn't, And yeah,
that really piste them off. But when I know who

(15:15):
you are, Um, I don't know. I don't know that
they did, because like it's one of those things. I'm
sure a number of them have heard my name because
I'm pretty prominent within the town. But I'm like I'm
covered in body armor and like a full gas mask
and like a helmet. Um, So I'm not sure if
anyone recognized if they recognized me at that moment. And
there's fun of people there that are dressed like that

(15:35):
and filming stuff throughout. Yeah, And I learned a number
of things. So one thing, the guy who started shoving
me when like they attempted to they wanted me to move,
and I said, no, I'm filming the guy who just
started shoving me. That dude is a was tied to
a series of neo Nazi murders, had just done seven
years I think it was in prison, uh, and had

(15:56):
gotten out as a convicted felon. Um and was like
he was the guy who was pretending to be a
Roman centurion the whole day and like walking up and
down their shield line and like banging on the shields
with a stick and like give ordering them around. Um. God,
kind of a woods to be honest, supposedly like an
m M A guy. But he didn't have a whole
lot of power in his shoves, I'll tell you that much. Um.

(16:18):
And then the guy Alan Swiney, Um, who's this very big,
imposing looking dude. Um. Yeah. He wound up later in
the day pulling his handgun I think it was a
three fifty seven and like brandishing it and waving it
at like dozens of people for no reason. Um. I
think he was angry because he got repeatedly maced by
his own side. Um, and he got paint thrown in

(16:42):
his over his face. Look, it certainly sounds irritating. Yeah,
well man, Like the one of the worst things you
can do to a fascist is make them look foolish. Yeah,
and he looked very silly because he kept getting covered
in paint. Um. It was really funny because he was
he was he was like shooting at peep with a
with a fucking pepper ball the entire time, or not

(17:04):
a pepper ball, with a paintball gun the whole time,
like frozen paintballs in it, um, and like trying to
look real cool. I was like filming him a bunch
of times, and protesters just kept throwing water balloons filled
with paint at him, And eventually he was so covered
in paint that he couldn't shoot people very well anymore.
And the same thing happened, like he cleaned off his
face and then like he got maced a bunch, and

(17:24):
it was like they kept macing themselves because they all
showed up with mace, because mace has been a very
effective weapon in the street fights that have happened previously,
because what would happen is one of them would pull
a mace canisters, spray it at a group of anti
fascists and then everyone would run away, right. Um, So
it was a great go away button, um, and it
worked when people weren't used to dealing with mace. But

(17:46):
now everyone on the left wing side of the crowd
has been repeatedly maced and tear gas hundreds of times
over the last three months. So everybody had gas masks
and none of them ran away when they got maced,
and none of the right wing guys almost none of
them had proper aspirators or masks, so they all blinded
themselves with their own mace. It sounds like three Stooges sketch. Yeah,

(18:08):
they were really bad at it. Um, So my fucking hand.
So this I'm we're maybe an hour into it, and
I'm um, I'm in a there's a like a fight
like a giant, because like there's this long line of shields,
and every now and then someone will walk by and
like the right wingers will grab him. They'll try to
grab like a shield or a flag or something, um,

(18:31):
because they like to gang up and hit people. You know,
three or four of them just beating on a guy
or more if they can. So a fight breaks out
and there's people getting knocked on the ground and swung at.
And I see this like kind of right wing crowd
circling around to like wail on this smaller group of people.
So I run up to film it, and I'm with it.
There's a couple of other press who run up to
film it. And as I get up to film it,
there's this guy who's swinging at someone I'm fairly sitting.

(18:52):
They were on the ground at the time. He's got
an asp baton a shield that says God bless American.
He finishes hitting this person on the ground and he
turns around get a look at me, and it hits
me in the hand, breaking my finger and um, putting
me fractures in the socket of my hand too, sucking
up my phone a bit um and knocking my phone
to the ground. Um, So I pick up my phone.

(19:13):
I'm bleeding pretty heavily, and I confront him after this,
and I asked him, like, I wanted to number one,
clarify that he had assaulted me because I was pressed.
So I said, hey, you know, you just assaulted me.
You just assaulted press. And he said essentially like I
don't give a fuck, and then he assaulted me twice
more by try. He attempted to knock me down with
his shield and he couldn't because again he's he's a

(19:36):
woos um. But he like slammed into me a couple
of times trying to move me. Um, and so I
yelled at him a bunch until you know, the the
I think the proper amount had been done to establish
that this guy was repeatedly assaulting me, specifically because I
was pressed, and that I was unarmed, and that he was,
you know, committing felonies. I wanted to once it became

(19:56):
clear that he had not accidentally struck me in a melee,
I wanted to make sure there was very clear documentation
of what he'd done. Um. And yeah, then uh yeah,
that was that. That was that altercation. And you know,
I work at bellinkhat which is UM. I don't know
if we're the largest, but we're certainly the most prominent
open source intelligence agency in the world. Like it's a

(20:21):
bunch of journalists who all all they do all day
long is stuff like track down members of the Russian
g RU, which is like their equivalent of the c
i A, and like figure out those guys real identities
and stuff, which is you know hard. UM. This was
not difficult for them. I think it took about about
twenty six hours UM and they had this guy's identity

(20:44):
UM and the crowdsourced I think a lot of aspects
of the of the investigation UM. And it was really
funny because like they came to me and gave me
this guy's info and then like two hours later Rose
City Antifa, which is like a local anti fascist collective
in Portland, was like, hey, we identified the guy to UM.
So even if and that's one of the things that
I think is important to highlights, like I talked earlier

(21:05):
about how I think that the people of Portland did
a better job defending themselves from this mob than the
police could have. It's also local organizations did a better
job of tracking down the culprit than I think a
police detective. We've done. Um, and it was nice to
know that even if like I hadn't you know, had
the benefit of working for Belling Cat, that this guy

(21:27):
would have been tracked down because it's what these people do.
It's like what these different anti fascist groups have been
doing for quite a while now. It really is comforting
to know that there are people out there doing the
actual work. Yeah, it's very important. Um. So, yeah, this
guy assaults me. It wasn't a big you know I
um it was. It wound up being I think probably

(21:48):
the most viral or one of them videos of the
of the event, um, because it was just sort of
it was. It wound up being a very kind of
striking looking moment um. Yeah. It's blatant, very yeah, and
it's it's frustrating. Like I I think it's important for
me to highlight that, like when they commit an assault
like that. But they assaulted like people that I know,

(22:09):
activists I know who were like in block and hurt
them like broke bones and stuff. Um, and just sort
of because of the nature of what those people do,
of kind of their own opinions on law enforcement, of
their need for privacy. Um, you know they don't they're
not getting this kind of attention when like these people
have been doing damage to them and violence to them
in that way for a very long time. UM. And

(22:30):
so I do think I have a responsibility as someone
injured in this very clear and blatant way. Um and
kind of as a result of sort of the way
Andy No weaponized, you know, getting getting hit, I have
a responsibility to let people know what the actual reality
of the situation on the ground is and how violent
these people are, UM, and how violent they are towards

(22:51):
press who are just attempting to do their lawful job. Um.
I think that's important for me to do. UM. I
do feel a bit bad because there's a lot of
bull that they hurt who can't you know, I don't
think can effectively get that kind of justice. I mean,
just at that event alone, like there were people, it

(23:12):
was so many brutal assaults. Might I suggest though, that, um,
this incident that broke your hand might cause you to
suddenly have a British accent for a couple of months. Well, boy, Cricky, yeah,
I don't know. I'm not ready to chim chim Cheru

(23:34):
saying Chimney sweep. Okay, I would draw, I withdraw my
public suggestion. I would suggest maybe work on that, but
I definitely do it for a while. I'm gonna commit
genocide in't binal I am wait shit on that note,
seems like a good time to go to an odd

(23:55):
break that was so good at these accents. I don't
know why. I I don't have a career as an
actor anymore. We're gonna take a quick break and we're
gonna come back and talk about more protests and can
go yum together everything. Don't don't do back. We as return?

(24:21):
Oh we as return? Oh yeah, returned? Mate, good good
all around. Um, um, let's talk about Oh yeah, I
just I guess I should go over like how the
how the day ended, because I do think it's fun. Um,

(24:43):
we could all use a little fun. Yeah, it was
because it worked out actually really, I mean so you
had this kind of escalating series of really ugly fights.
At one point they were trying to tear apart the
BLM snack van with their bare hands until they all
got horribly maced away from it. Um and yeah, definitely
assaulting private property there, which they say is the horrible

(25:04):
thing that protesters do um, and yeah, they were trying
to beat people, but like the crowd around them got
bigger and bigger and bigger, um and so and it
kind of it wound up with you again. You had
this huge mash of anti fascists, only like a hundred
or so of whom we're actually all kind of you know,
gathered up in a semi organized way around their shield line,

(25:24):
which was like two three hundred people. UM. And like
the the chunk of the anti fascist lines that was
actually a shield wall was only a few dozen people,
was much smaller than their shield wall. But the anti
fascist shield wall knew what they were doing and had
experience like working under fire and advancing under fire, so
they started advancing. So like that, So they have like
a standoff with these guys right where neither side is

(25:46):
willing to advance into the other. Um. But both sides
are throwing things, bottles, rocks, you know. Uh, they chucked
a couple of pipes. The anti fascists were more likely
to throw some rocks, um the odds smoke bomb and
so they're chucking stuff at each other. And in the
middle of this standoff, a group of four I believe
was for UM black women with a BLM banner kind

(26:08):
of walk in between the two shield walls. And they're unarmed,
they're not even I didn't even see them in protective gear.
And the guys in the shield wall try to grab
their their sign and pull it inside, and I think
they might have been trying to pull one of them
and to beat on them too, but I can't confirm that,
but they were definitely they charged at them, essentially, and
the group folks on the left like pulled them back,
and there was a fight over that, and eventually they

(26:30):
got pushed back, and as they were getting pushed back,
a bunch of them panicked, and so like a bunch
of guys on that line, I'll sprayed mace at the
same time, um and then mace themselves because it blew
back onto their lines. And so suddenly, like a hundred
fifty two hundred them are like backing away and fleeing
because they've got Mason their eyes and they weren't ready
for it. And so they still had this chunk of guys,

(26:51):
a bigger chunk than the anti fascists who were in
like an organized shield wall, and they threw a firework
at the left wing shield wall, and it did nothing
right because, like where they're used to having federal grenades
blow up in the middle of them, they don't pan
it because the firework hits them. Um. And then someone
on the left wing side throws a firework back at
the right wing guys and they just break and scatter.
And so now you've got this mob of two three,

(27:13):
you know, right wing extremists, I'm sure all committed libertarians,
I'm sure all big liberty movement people, most of whom
are armed, many of them with firearms, running away from
like mostly teenagers with plastic shields. Um. And they run
for this group of so called libertarians runs for cover

(27:35):
to the I r S Building, okay, because it's where
all the federal agents were bunked up. So you see,
like all these right wing extremists run to the I
R S for help, help, help is theft um the
day the Feds were not willing to to protect them,

(27:55):
so they all just ran like funk away and it
was very funny, um. But it was a real, real win.
And now they're all fighting online about how things went
so badly, um, which is great and it it you know,
there were a number of things that it showcases. One
of them is that, like it was just incredibly dumb
of these people to think that, after all that these
protesters have been through, they could walk into Portland try

(28:18):
to engage them in a fight on in the same
way and and not get their asses kicked. You guys
have been doing this, You've been learning, yeah, I mean yeah,
there's the behavior, like all the videos of them trying
to intimidate you, even of like, well there are cops
there want to be cops. Basically, yeah, you want to
be cops, but like you're you're not nearly as scary

(28:41):
at cops. If you try to funk with me, I
can kick your ass and nothing will happen to me.
Like I a cop, there's a certain point at which
i just have to do what they say, otherwise I'm
going to get arrested or beaten and they will be
essentially like it will be very hard for me to
to secure any kind of remedy. I certainly cannot fight
back against a cop. I can choke you into unconsciousness

(29:04):
if you if you attempt to do certain things to me,
and I will be fine. Like if you if you
start beating me with a stick, and I cannot get away,
like I can do whatever I need to do to
take you down, and I like, I'm not scared of
you because you're not a cop and you're not even
good at shoving, Like not even good at shoving a
bunch of babies, like it's so important to them to

(29:26):
be seen fighting, and none of you were good at it,
like you're you're just just children. Um. I'm glad that
you seem to be in good spirits. I'm glad that
you have found the name of the person who assaulted you.
I am grossed out by so many things that you

(29:47):
have explained about this weekend. I think that we should
spend some time talking about the other protests we've seen
across the country over the past few days. Cody, you
were looking into some of the Save the Children Q
and on rallies that happened. I want to talk about

(30:09):
that a bit. Yeah, briefly, it's um, so many protests
over the weekend, Mike. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna uh
bring this home by talking about Kenosha and everything that
happened there. But this is important too. Yeah, this kind
of leads into it. Um. Just uh, as we talked
about last week, the Q stuff is going international. Um

(30:33):
there are protests. Yeah, we needed we needed every global
where they're globalists. You see Q and On as globalists.
Um and uh yeah so uh pretes in the UK
more than two Facebook Instagram events. We're calling for these
protests to happen, and they're not presented as Q and

(30:55):
non protests. And that's that's an important thing to note
because what they're advertised as as ah well one defund Hollywood,
which is fun. Um yeah, and save the children. And
I don't know so like if I were to which

(31:16):
is organization that has been around for decades, my father
used to work for nothing to do with Q and on.
Bet it has nothing to do with Q and On exactly. Um,
but if I were to go up to you and say, hey,
would you like to save the children? What would you
say to that? Oh? Absolutely not no they whatever. I look,

(31:39):
you're a person when you're eighteen, you know the university
of thought that you can find on this podcast. This
is what so insidious. I mean I mentioned that people
that I see in my feed and this is the
thing where people are like, I support Black Lives Matter,
but of course I want to save the children and
I'm like, uh yeah, uh well it's and and it's

(32:01):
it's it's frustrating too because it's not necessarily like purposefully
insidious in all cases, because that's what these people believe
they're doing. Yeah, it's like if it's like if a
it's like if a support route group for like people
who were convicted like rapists. It's like if they decided
to like hold a rally to save the whales. It's like, yes,
the whales ought to be saved, but like, in no

(32:23):
way should you be the deliverer of this message, like
you should you shouldn't be here. Yeah, maybe like this
one out. Um, So you have all these people gathering
in Hollywood holding up signs for like save the children,
and people are honking because of course we want to
save the children. Um. But then amidst all these protesters,

(32:45):
you've got pizza gate signs, You've got Q and on signs,
You've got people talking about adrena chrome of course, uh,
frazzled drip, which I'm not even going to get into.
Um that's good. That was a new one for me. Um,
but we're not going to discuss what that is. U.
Sounds like some sort of muppet. Um, it might be.
We can't confirm to a point of legal certainty that

(33:07):
it isn't. Frazzle drip is a really anxious uh personification
of post nasal drip dr electric frazzled trip um. Yeah.
So uh and you know, people holding sounds like the
real pandemic is child trafficking um, which again, nobody likes

(33:27):
child trafficking. That's something we all agree on. Everyone's anti
child trafficking UM, but we don't all agree on what
is real. Yeah, is the child trafficking they think is happening.
It doesn't happen. It's a fantasy. Yeah, face eating cannibal

(33:50):
people in government. Also, you're putting it in though in
a way where it's like in order to save the children,
I have to accept the fact that this pandemic is fake,
right anyway, and so so yeah, it was. It's just
a it's a concern I think because also you have

(34:10):
it's and it's part of it is optics. Right. You
have uh, these this movement, this q and On movement
that is a cult and it is dangerous and just
uh like last week a woman just followed people around
in her car and attacked, uh people with children because
she thought they were child sex trafficking. But it was

(34:32):
just people, there's this dangerous behavior happening, not at these protests,
so you don't have you're not able to like plaster
like look at the violence of the Q and On.
It's all part of this movement. It's not the the
outward facing UM face, which is the hey, child sex

(34:52):
trafficking is bad, which yes. So how many do you
know how many protests for Save the Children happened? I
don't know the total of it was. They were they
were everywhere everywhere, even here in Los Angeles. There was
a big one. Yeah, big one in Hollywood. Like I said,
there are some of the UK. A lot of people
in the UK were even like wait what is q

(35:14):
and On? Um, it's something that and this is something
also that uh I want to get into later um
in a later date probably, but just the the handling
of this by the media is not very good. Um.
Even on MSNBC the end of day, they were joking
about how they they pronounced gonna bring that out there,

(35:37):
like well she was actually reading it off the prompter
and um and just went quaint on and then it
was like this moment of like I've never read it
and said it out loud and having this funny moment
but like just not don't talk so dangerous, yeah, um,

(35:57):
and just just sort of like is big because funnily enough,
a day after we recorded a podcast in which we
literally talked about how don't ask the president about Q
and on because no matter what he says, the view
to support somebody asked him about q and on the
next day, um, and he answered like one would expect

(36:18):
he would answer, um, although it was actually probably worse
than I would have imagined, because he said, like they're
great people and they're like trying to save the world
or whatever. Yeah. It was like and if they support me,
then great, you know yeah, And it was yeah, basically
just like I you know, uh, they're good people and
stuff like that. Um. And the question was very irresponsibly

(36:41):
asked too. It was like, so people think you're trying
to save the world from pedophiles. What do you say
to that? And it's like, well, of course he's gonna
say good because nobody likes pedophiles, right, Like, that's not
a that's not a responsible way to ask about this
cult unless it's lane, in which case we wish her. Well, yeah,
I mean, yeah, you want to check her, you want

(37:02):
you want to make sure she's okay. She's your friend, right,
Like sometimes your friends do things you don't approve of,
and you still they're still your friends. You know you're
not going to cut them out of your life. It's
a real like Sarah Silverman Louis c k situation. Yeah,
look like nobody's perfect. Like I've got friends who have
drinking problems, and is that really so different from helping

(37:23):
to run an international child molestation engine? I'm going to
go with yes, Okay, yeah, Okay, that might have been
a bad example. I have friends who listened to a
lot of nickelback. Is that really so much worse than
sexually trafficking hundreds of children? It's the same. It's morally identical, yea,

(37:43):
morally identical. So that was not great. And then the
aftermath of that was a bunch of people who don't
know what it is writing about it and talking about
how like oh these crazies and and all the like,
just uh, not really addressing what it is or the
problems with it, and more just like I can't believe

(38:05):
these people believe these things, um, which again is not
very helpful, um, and then laughing about how they don't
even know how to pronounce it. Yes, because that's how
you bring people into your fold. Yeah. Why traditional media
has repeatedly proven itself almost useless in terms of creating

(38:26):
a more just or even a better informed society because
it's so bad at actually knowing what to care about,
what to report on what like, like like it's for
one thing, just kind of the nature of the news
cycle means that none of these people are ever competent, right,
none of them know It's like Jake Tapper jumping into

(38:46):
the fucking Andy no thing. Um, yeah, I ever know
a goddamn thing about most of the stuff they report on,
and they have to report on everything. So you've got
these people who we have to do a Q and
on thing now, and it's never a question of should
we under stand went on and like what the actual
level of import is and people who have covered it
before like, no, we just have to fill ten minutes.

(39:08):
So that's a really good point properly, And it's something
that you know, I think that we've grappled with talking
about the news, especial Cody and I especially over the
past few years doing our show some more news and
even more news. And there was this decision that we
made early on where it was like, you know what,

(39:30):
in order to be responsible about some of this, we
don't always have to be uh leading on a story.
This is a little bit different, but in general, it
was like, let's be responsible, do the work and do
the research and make sure that this thing is really
uh accurate. And we have a different job than the
nightly news journalists, but we looked to them as these

(39:54):
people that have all the answers and can tell us
all the information that we need and they don't have it.
They don't know, you couldn't possibly you know, especially right
now and and there it's just highlights how irresponsible so
much reporting is right now. Yeah, and especially with Twitter,
it's so easy to fall into the twenty four hour

(40:17):
news disease. That didn't start with Twitter. It didn't start
this year or in Steen started a long time ago.
But this is kind of yeah, this is this is
the kind of logical conclusion to that it's the next
the next step, and don't just rush for a thing.
And that's what everybody did. When the President was foolishly
asked publicly about Q and on um. And one of

(40:40):
the main things, like one of the like Q and
On has a lot of different points of entry. We
talked about this a lot last week, and one of
those points of entry for the movement is the media
and how people don't trust the media. Um. And there
are reasons to not trust a lot of the media
and a lot like a lot of the interviews with
people at this Hollywood protests, like yeah, I started doing
research into this because I don't trust the media. Um.

(41:03):
And this is like the presents asked about Q and
on all these protests. This happened during the d n
C where Bill Clinton spoke uncritically, spoke to the nation
like with support from the party, and Bill Clinton was
very good friends with jeff Epstein. Like we don't need
to get into that, but like that is that is
a problem getting backrubs by some of the people who

(41:27):
have accused Jeffrey Epstein of sexually trafficking them, Like yes,
he's a problem, right, yes, the day of it and
and that kind of that kind of thing is not helpful.
And if you have people sort of like just jumping
into this not really knowing or caring what it is about,
and and sort of dismissing it while at the same

(41:48):
time being like, oh, Bill Clinton making a comeback. Excuse me,
that's not helping at all. We need to be able
to call things what they are and look at that
and go maybe he shouldn't speaking, maybe he should be
in prison. But so so there's so they're all these
sort of like this confluence of like just like all
these things that bring people into Q and on who mean, well,

(42:10):
they don't trust the media for various reasons. They think
they want to protect the children, which is a good thing.
One quote I think is very telling and is part
of just sort of this problem that we've been talking
about with this and in general. At this protest, someone said, quote,
I love the hope and the perspective it offers. I

(42:30):
love that it's not this negative, beat down approach to
try to force agendas. Q is very much inviting inclusive um,
and that is what you see at their protests aside
like there's some maga people and there's some like you know,
Proud Boy stuff, Like you're saying, like there were some
que people at the Proud Boy protest um, but outwardly, uh,

(42:51):
it's like it is a cult. So it is going
to be inclusive. It is going to be inviting. They
do want more and more people to join. They do
think they're doing this good thing. Uh, the pro like
as part of the protest ended here in Hollywood by
a bunch of people singing amazing grace. You know you can't.

(43:13):
But but contrast that with a clip that is widely
going around now, of course, and it's going to be
plastered on conservative media as proof of everything else being wrong. Um,
it's this BLM protest and I think d C and
it's this crowd of people, uh basically like descending on
this woman at a diner eating and shouting like an

(43:35):
inch from her face, demanding that she put her fist
up in support of their protests. Very dumb, very aggressive,
very white white violence. Yeah, and just like there, it's
very aggressive, and um, it's it's not going to convince
that woman of anything. If anything, it will push her away.
It certainly doesn't protest state violence. Like if you're protesting

(43:59):
state violence, well in the um, maybe this woman isn't
the target for that. When she was interviewed, the woman
made it clear, like I've actually marched in a lot
of bell and rallies, like I just didn't feel comfortable
putting my arm up because a group of strangers rushed
me at a restaurant and demanded it, which is I
would not have I I've been out at these protests,
you know, fifty sixty times at least. I would not

(44:21):
want to um do it in that situation because that's
deeply uncomfortable. I never I am never going to want
to do something that a crowd of strangers rushes up
and demand demands that I do, screaming in your face,
demand you do that exactly, like I don't care if
I support the cause, Like, fuck you, you don't get
to do that to me. Not how humans work. Yeah, um,

(44:42):
it's it's just it's just a it's it's stopped. First
of all, stop doing that ship, come on. Um. But
also contrast that with these people who are like really
dangerous and like unhinged and in this weird death cult.
Um seeing amazing grace and talking about how inviting and
inclusive it it is. And like the media, you can't

(45:04):
trust the media because the Bill Clinton ship like it's uh,
the the optics. Uh, the difference is very stark. Um.
The contrast is there, and it's something to consider. If
you're out protesting state violence and bothering some random woman
having a meal outside. All right, we need to take
a quick break and then we're gonna come back and

(45:26):
talk about Kenosha. Also, apologies to our listeners if you
can hear the heavy metal in the background. It is
out of my control and it's out of control. Yeah. Yeah,
together everything, and we are now officially back from that. Um,

(45:58):
the heavy metal has died out for the moment. Hopefully
that made me not in our hearts, just in this
physical space that I currently exist in. Um, let's talk
about Kenosha. Um. Oh, this is a story. Uh. I'm
sure you guys have seen coverage and talk about this,

(46:21):
but we're going to dig in and make sure you
know all the all of it. So on Sunday evening
in Kenosha, Wisconsin, police officers shot a black man named
Jacob Blake seven times in the back as he got
into his car with his family, where his three children
were already in the vehicle. Three children, um seven times.

(46:44):
As of this recording, Jacob is still alive, but paralyzed. UM.
This is from the New York Times to describe the incident.
In a video taken from an apartment window. Across the street,
several several officers can be seen standing on a sidewalk
next to a four door suv. The man identified as
Mr Blake, wearing a white tank top and black shorts,
is seen walking along the passenger side of the vehicle

(47:06):
away from the officers, who are yelling. At least one
of them points a gun at him. Mr Blake walks
around the front of the vehicle and opens the driver's
side door. Several people can be heard yelling, and one
officer is seen grabbing Mr Blake's shirt As Mr Blake
opens the vehicle store at least half a dozen shots
are heard, while at least two officers can be seen
with their guns pointed at him. The video, which is
about twenty seconds long and shortly after the shooting. So

(47:30):
what did Jacob do to warrant this response? According to witnesses,
he was trying to break up a fight and get
his kids out of there. This is from The Daily Beast.
A witness said the scene quickly turned chaotic, describing a
group of officers rushing an officer who fired the shots
into a waiting squad car, which sped away. Protesters assembled
immediately later, throwing bricks and bottles at police who answered

(47:53):
with tear gas. The whole thing went viral very quickly,
like it did with Georgeoidh and by that evening, hundreds
of angry Yeah. I can remember, just to break in
for I can remember I was at a meeting with
a bunch of local press in Portland. We're all having
like a meeting and talking together at a restaurant. And

(48:14):
I think it was my colleague Sergio who showed me
the video when it was at maybe two hundred thousand views, um,
and he was like, I think this is going to
be like the next And sure enough, you know, by
that evening they were lighting you know, buildings on fire. Yeah,
it's just it's the same thing over and over again. Um.

(48:35):
By that by Sunday evening, hundreds of angry protesters had
gathered downtown. Um, you know, lighting garbage trucks on fire,
shattering shop windows, that kind of thing. I mean, you
guys are all familiar now what happens when when people
are murdered and nobody listens, um, and when nothing changes.

(48:56):
Uh No, this seems totally unpredictable to me. Who could
have guessed at the thing that repeatedly happens now would
happen again? That everybody is still very angry and has has.
I thought the police had used enough tiar guests to
solve this problem. Apparently not. Um. The officers involved in
the shooting have not been arrested or fired placed on

(49:17):
administrative leave. Also, I don't have all the specifics here,
but this is a long time coming there. Apparently there
has been so much corruption and police uh shootings and
lack of justice. Um. But anyway, things escalated from there.
It does, doesn't it? Monday night? Uh, you know, everything

(49:40):
once again erupted. Um. It started off with peaceful protests
and I can't stress that enough peaceful protests that later
turned into what we will call riots um after police
got involved. But yes, um, the organizers were very adamant
about things being peaceful and you know, shouting we're not

(50:03):
doing anything to you. But they also talked about how
they were prepared for the probability that things would escalate
once police got involved. UM. So you know, the typical
things happened. Curfew was put into place, the National Guard
was brought in. When people didn't disperse to your gas

(50:23):
was fired. As we know that doesn't deter protesters anymore.
It just ramps things up, and what happens next is
heartbreaking and predictable. Uh. Businesses were set on fire, smashed up,
probation and provole parole office was burnt down a parking lot.
That one that one's not so hard for, not hardly,

(50:44):
that one actually ruled. Yeah, you know that one's fine.
At one point, organizers were telling people that a Blue
Lives Matter counter protest was also happening. This is from
the Daily Beast again quote. Organizers told the crowd that
they had heard Blue Lives Matter counter protesters were on
the scene and urged protesters to remain peaceful and to

(51:06):
look out for children. At one point, a car surged
into the crowd and was abruptly blocked by activists, initiating
in igniting angry shouts as the crowd chanted black Lives matter. Um.
The crowd continue to march, forcing the car back, definantly
chanting black Lives matter. Has the evening went on, protesters
started protecting themselves behind a homemade barricade with umbrellas and

(51:29):
you know would as officers fired projectiles at them. A
lot of people got hurt. Medics were called to the scene. Um,
and this didn't just happen in Kenosha. Of course, this
was the epicenter of of these protests, but there were
protests in several cities in America. Wisconsin Governor Tony Evers

(51:50):
has condemned the shooting, calling for a special legislative session
to take action. Um, you know, with several bills aimed
to reduce police fatality. Yeah, are you saying that maybe
you get immediate legislative action when buildings are on fire.
Seems like it seems like that gets their attention. Well.
He also includes a ban on police choke holds and

(52:13):
no doc search warrants, which is, of course, you know
there should be a ban on is cops shooting people
in exactly like that really would not have helped this situation.
But I think it's interesting that immediately the Kenosha Professional
Police Association responded to the governor uh defending the Sunday

(52:36):
incident and called Ever's decision wholly irresponsible. Uh. Okay, Yeah,
that's so, is there is the responsible thing to shoot
more people in the back. I have a feeling that's
what he'd say. Yeah, they didn't say it, but it's
the unsaid thing that really sings here. I'm just gonna

(52:57):
throw this in on on Monday, Joe Biden, are Democratic nominee,
called for an immediate, full and transparent investigation. Uh and
also the dismantling of systemic racism. Um how how how? Yes.
But we can compare this with his former former primary
rival Bernie Sanders, who tweeted that the copsy shot Blake

(53:19):
should be fired, arrested, and prosecuted to the fullest extent
of the law. I put this in there just underscore that, yes,
Joe Biden is the guy who's going to dismantle the
police and plunge our country into You mean, the guy
who bolstered the cartial straight state for his entire career
until this very moment. Yeah, the guy who, in the

(53:42):
wake of George Floyd uh, thinks that we should give
more money to the police. The guy who I'm sorry
last week he was being interviewed about this and he
Adam was like, I don't want to defund the police.
I want to give more money to the police. You
know who wants to defund the police? Donald Trump? Is
what he said. Wow, Yeah, It's it's one of those things,

(54:05):
like some of my reporting I've talked about how you know,
I have reported on actions is effective or ineffective? You know,
and those actions involved mild arson right like and p
All of the buildings that have been lit on fire
in Portland have been like mild, very mild damage and
generally like just for show. I've never seen anyone seriously
attempt to immolate a building and burn it down. Um.

(54:27):
Which isn't to say that I like, I actually actually
really dislike it every time those fires tend to be
lit because I just worry about fire in general. I
fought a couple of out of control fires, and I'm
concerned when people mess around with fire. Um. But at
the same time, no one has provided me with any
evidence of anything that actually works better for achieving legislative change. Like.

(54:50):
That's the lesson that's being continually taught to the people
of this the particularly young people of this country, is
that the only thing that they don't ignore is proper destruction.
So what else do you do? Yeah, I mean that
that building that was reduced to rubble on the side
of it, said, are you listening yet? Yeah? Yes, I

(55:12):
mean look at Minneapolis, Yes, yes, look at Minneapolis. Look
at Seattle where they let the construction site for that
youth prison on fire. UM. That's the lesson people keep
being taught is that we will fight and refuse and
laugh at you and mock you if you ask for

(55:32):
any kind of meaningful change unless you burn buildings down,
in which case you get what you want more or less.
And I don't like this reality. I would I would
prefer that we, as the twenty one century society, have
other ways of achieving change. But the people who are
in the lovers of power, particularly the police unions UM

(55:54):
and the politicians who are afraid of them, have made
it very clear for decades that no, they will, they
refuse any kind of change, and so what what They've
left people with no other options but to do what
they're doing in Kenosha, Right, it's the only thing left.
And maybe not the lesson that they want to be teaching,

(56:16):
like the lesson. Yeah, yeah, I mean I agree with
everything you guys are saying. I think it's obviously this
The people that have been interviewed in the articles covering
this don't speak for everyone, but there seems to be
a lot of people who are heartbroken at what's happening
in their community, sick about the loss, the damage is

(56:40):
sustained to businesses and property, and supportive of it and
frustrated that it comes to this because they get it.
And again that's not everybody, I'm sure, but in general,
people in these communities are like, yeah, we live under this.
This has to fucking change. And also it should be
noted that Blake's shooting came just a couple of days

(57:03):
after a black man named Treyford Palerin was killed by
police in Lafayette, Louisiana as he was walking away from officers.
The cops fired eleven bullets at him outside of a
gas station when they were responding to a disturbance. Uh,
involving a man with a knife. Um, stop shooting people

(57:23):
in the back. So many but and I say this
does this happened two days ago, two days before, uh,
this other incident, But like it's been happening, it never
stopped happening. Um, it's so frustrating. And I keep thinking
this weekend, as as I've been watching the news, what

(57:45):
you've said throughout the summer, Robert, is that you feel
like it's going to come to a head again in August.
Here are it does seem to be Uh, it sure
seems to be coming to a head. Like Kenosha is
pretty wild right now. Um, the protests in Portland are
not calming down. I will probably have another fight with

(58:06):
right wingers. Um, I suspect there will be another, I
suspect Before this month is over, at least one or
two more cities will erupt in the way that Chicago
and Kenosha have over another shooting. Maybe more. Um, this
is just the world. Yeah, it's also it's over a shooting,
but it's also over the reaction to the shooting. It's

(58:27):
over public officials response to the shooting. Really sparks these things.
If by the time a video like that started to
go viral, the cop behind it was in fucking chains
in a jail cell being charged with murder, um, you
would see a lot less ship getting sucked up, especially
if a couple of those guys got convicted and people
saw no, no, no, this isn't just for show. When

(58:49):
cops do this, ship, they lose their whole life. Like
that's what needs to happen in conjunction with like, yeah,
we're going to use some of these funds that the
police get every year to do this instead, it will
help people um. Yeah. Also, the administrative leave is how
you get what's going on, not like, oh, look at him,
he's in handcuffs. It's a cop. It happened. Yeah, No,

(59:12):
you guys are correct, Of course you're correct. That would
change everything. It would show that people's concerns are actually
being heard, that they cared, but they don't. Yeah, I mean,
you know, And it would just it would be, It
would honestly be. It would not be nearly enough if
they were to just be arresting these police, because there's massive,
much more systemic problems than individual officers. But on a

(59:35):
tactical level, it would defray a lot of the anger
and the fact that they're not even willing to do that.
They're not even willing to push for legitimate punishment for
someone who's obviously committed a crime, shows that they don't
care about law and order. They want to be a
separate class of human being in our society who is
immune to any kind of consequences for their actions, and

(59:57):
who gets to do harm to whoever they want they
want to. There was a moment last weekend during the
protests where protesters are being driven away by police and
they were like marching compliantly, and police were like shoving
and hitting people, and in order to keep together, all
of the members of the crowd who were getting away
from these cops as quickly as possible like linked arms
and held each other as they moved to stay together

(01:00:18):
and stopped from getting like pulled apart or knocked apart
or lost in a gas cloud. And one of the
officers on the bullhorn said, holding each other's hands is
unlawful behavior, like like you, just like they they think
they get to make that. That his how they that
is the average police office. They get to make what
they believe, whatever they feel is the law, and they

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want they are willing to fight and kill to maintain
that privilege. Um And again, the lesson that they've repeatedly
taught the country is that all we listen to is
when you light our things on fire. You know. I
saw a video of a police officer get hit in
the head with a damn brick and he dropped, like
I said, and I'm sure he's got permanent damages or
is all to it. And my question was what did

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he expect would happen when he aligned himself with the
force that walks through neighborhood shooting people in the back,
that he'd be able to walk around safely in those neighborhoods.
Is that how he thought that would go. Because if
that's the case, then he's ignoring ten thousand years of
how human beings react to occupying armies. Yeahs Brianna Taylor, Yeah,

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that'd be good. It seems it seems like a helpful
thing too. Also, this is not a new point, I'm
sure it's a point that so many of our listeners
have made. Shouldn't just be this outrage when it's a
black person who's done nothing wrong. It should be this

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outrage for anybody that's being killed during an interaction with
police officers. They don't get to sentence somebody to a
death sentence. That's not their job description. It's this idea
that like, yeah, because now there's people being like trying
to pull up this guy's criminal history or whatever like
they always do um or pointing out like you should

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have just done what officers say. And if you're that
kind of person, if you will look even if they're wrong,
you just do what the cops say. You're saying that
it we live in a society where there's a group
of people who get to go around and murder people
if they aren't obeyed instantaneously and whatever they command, And
that's not a free society. Also, why do we think

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that a black person will trust or any person, but
especially a black person in this in this America, any
version of America. How do we expect that they trust
a police officer won't kill them? Anyway? How do you
trust that they're going to be not brutalized in front

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of their family if they just comply, You can't, No,
you can't contrust them at all because their liars. So anyway,
that's kenosha as of many different kinds of protest this weekend.
My goodness, the protest episode. A lot going on in
the streets, not a lot going on in the election,

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which is still the literal fascist versus the man who
wasn't even a good candidate twenty years ago. Fun, great, fun. Yeah,
And the RNC is really something else, just like it's not.
It's not. I don't have the emotional bandwidth for the RNC.

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You guys can tune into even more news later this
week and we will talk all about the r n
C and other things. Because I don't want to do
a whole episode on it, but we will cover it.
But I think that does it for us here today.
I couldn't agree more, could not agree more with you.
I could agree more or but I'm gonna make you

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