December 13, 2023 • 47 mins
Bryan and Mike discuss the start of the 2023 Men's Breakout Tournament and the previews of the week's matches, and Bryan hints at a tag team title change.
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Tonight at XT the follow up to Deadline, and we
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have a number of matches announced for the show, as
well as the start of the twenty twenty three Men's
Breakout Tournament. I hope they wrestled better than they cut promos.
I could say that much. Also go that you would
turn him Tikita, Lions and more. We'll tell you about
that today plus tomorrow's Winter is coming Arlington, Texas. Number
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going to be there, and more. Yesterday, of course, was
Monday Night Raw, and they set up two tag team
championship matches for next week's show, and of course the
week after is going to be a best of show.
So next week's Raw is the final Raw of the year,
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the year, it's the holiday season, I think we are
going to have a tag team title change one way
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Speaker 1 (06:26):
Back of the show, Bright Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,
Mike somber vv also Wrestling Observe dot com. Well tonight,
you know it's everybody's favorite show. We've got NXT and
to be honest, it ain't much of a lineup here.
Eddie Thorpe will be facing Die Jack. It should be fine.
(06:47):
We have lash legend, Oro Mensa and Noam dar versus
Fallon Henley, Josh Briggs and Brooks Jensen. I don't really
have high hopes for that one. We've got the twenty
twenty three Men's Breakout Tournament beginning, which you know when
they did the women's Breakout Tournament, I mean, I couldn't
handle two women's breakout matches on the single show like
(07:09):
one's plenty. I'm sure it's gonna be the same thing
with the men. It's one thing to watch green people
have matches once a week. I can tolerate that twice
on one show. I don't know about that one. Brothers
and Nikita Lyons will make an appearance. He's back. So
that's not much of a lineup at all.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
What kind of combination do you think we're going to
get in that Men's Breakout Tournament match there?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Bro I haven't even looked at the names. I heard
the promos. I was like, oh my god, there's Milesbourne,
there's Oba Femi, and there's that bloke that that what's
her face has a crush on. No, that's a lawyer.
Lawyer who actually appeared for a couple of shows a
while back as a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
This you guy, the chase you guy who girlfriends got
a crush on?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, I forget anyway, who cares? It's a show? They
better wow me tonight. We're coming off that great Iron
Survivor Challenge show. Come on, see what tricks gotta say?
Then we've got winners coming tomorrow Arlington, Texas. We've got
(08:19):
three Continental Classic matches. We have John Moxley versus Swerve,
which should be a blood bath, a blood bath. We
have Rush versus Jay Lethal, we have Jay White versus
Mark Brisco, and we have Rijo versus Ruby. Soho Hagman
(08:42):
versus Roderick Strong. We will hear from Samoa Joe. We
will hear from Kenny Omega and Chris Jericho. And yes,
the Vaughan Eric family returns to Texas, and I hear
they're actually returning to Texas. They're moving from Hawaii. Imagine,
why would you go that way? Should be going the
(09:03):
other way. But anyway, that's the lineup for Winter is coming.
And we can look at the ticket sales here from
Wressell ticks winter is coming right now?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Three thousand tickets? And the last time they were there,
well it was final Battle that doesn't really count. Twenty
six hundred, so they're up from the last time. They've
sold ninety eight tickets in the last day, so I
think they're going to finish right around thirty two hundred
would be my guess. Maybe thirty three hundred, but that's
Winter is coming. That is the show.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Looks like no audio has arrived, at least on my
end of things, which kind of stinks here, but I'll
try to figure this out here. But Luca Blog, you
mean no video? No video here?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Uh, Lucha Blog made a really it looks.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like you're being punched in the face by a kangaroo
or something like that.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Luca Blog made a good point when it came to
Tony having his rh press conference right now that's going on,
But he says, you know, this is a free question
for anybody. Last time you swung through Texas, you brought
in CMLL Star and Mystico, and tickets seemed to move well.
After this time, there's only a commander in a sixth way.
(10:21):
Was there any consideration to using more Mexican talent on
this show. And I kind of have that question too, actually,
kind of seeing the way that things have worked out here,
because Mystico did draw so many people, you know, why
didn't they or what was the I wonder what the
mentality here is to not have anybody on the show,
even to draw them for a dark match or something
(10:42):
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I do not have an answer for you, but I
do know that we have the lineup for Final Battle,
which I believe is coming up Friday.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
This coming Friday? I think December? Yes, this coming is
coming Friday. And I do believe that the women are
going to be headlining the show. I think it is
Athena and Billy Starks for the title. And yes, December fifteenth,
and uh, what.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Going on?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
What's today the twelfth?
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Lord, I don't know if Russell Ticks has an update
since December eighth, But on December eighth, the show was
set up for thirty seven hundred and they were at
one thy fifty six.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I well, maybe you could have used some Latin American
talent on that show as well too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
All right, if there's an update since December eighth, can
somebody send it to me because that's that's pretty distressing
right there. So anyway, the lineup is Athena versus Billy
Starks for the Ring of Honor World Title. We have
a survival of the Fittest six way elimination match to
crown a new television Champion, Alton Castle Commander, Lee Moriarty,
Lee Johnson, Kyle Fletcher, and TVD. We have got Keith
(12:08):
Lee versus Shane Taylor. And we have Ethan Page versus
Tony Niece and an iquid match. Now December eight, they
did add John Moxley, Claudio and Brian Danielson versus FTR
and Mark Brisco. So my guess is that they are
well above a thousand right now, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna see if I can get an update, and uh,
we'll find out, because you would think that match would
(12:29):
move a fair number of tickets, That's what I would think.
So that's Final Battle coming up on Friday, and then
Russell Kingdom is coming up. We've got the card for
the show after this past weekend. Soana A versus Nito
for the IWGP World Heavyweight Title, the Ocotta Danielson match
God Forbid Danielson can make it there. We have got
(12:52):
Will Ospray, John Moxley and David Finley, who will in
fact be fighting for the iw GP Global Heavyweight Championship.
We'll get to that in a moment. Romu will defend
the junior title against El Desperado. We have go to
Yoshi Hashi versus Hickoleo and l Fantasmo, and it says
(13:15):
here for both titles, So it doesn't say that it's
necessarily a unification match. It is it is for both titles,
which means, you know they could, you know, the winners
could defend one set of titles on one show, the
other set on the other show. But now it is
just for both titles. We have got Clark Connors and
(13:37):
Drilla Maloney versus TJP and franssko Akira. Well you've got
Zack Sabers Junior versus a Roshi Tanahashi for the television
title and Shingo versus Tomatanga. Now this new belt, this
new belt. New Japan released a statement from Naoki Sugabayashi
(13:59):
ANDJPW and JPW Chairman, who says the IWGP US Heavyweight
Championship came into being in July twenty seventeen to mark
New Japan's first major event in the United States in
Long Beach. After its introduction, it became the symbol of
New Japan competition in the US. In the years at fall,
(14:20):
the title will be defended in Japan, becoming familiar to
Japanese fans as well. However, with the introduction of the
UK Championship this summer, there was confusion among fans as
to the status of the title. Maybe you shouldn't have
created a new title with that in mind.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
They didn't. It was an angle for Osprey. They never
actually created a title with.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That in mind. Naoki Sugabayashi says the new championship combines
it ads to the US and UK Championship roles, which
will be called the IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship. As it
has already been discussed in recent business strategy presentation. DU
(15:01):
Japan is working to ensure that twenty twenty four sees
our presence grow not just in the UK and the US,
but throughout Europe, the rest of Asia and Oshanya.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Oceanmo whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Anyway, since his name is Hey, that's another story for
another day. Yeah, kind of ties into that. But anyway,
they got a new Times today, Sure we got time. Hey, listen,
the holidays are coming. We cant have nothing to talk about.
So Moxley, will Ospray and David Finley will be fighting
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to determine the first IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship. And then
at the end, Naoki Sugabayashi says thank you, and I
thank you as well, and we'll be right back Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 1 (16:24):
How do you say you pronounced that Oceana. That's not
how it's spelled at all.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's a lot of words, so.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's it's Oceania, Oceania.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It's not it's not Oceanny.
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You know what this reminds me of. I'll tell this
story now. I mentioned this many times. My best friend
growing up was Chris Waller Death Cab for Cutie and
uh I the first memory I have with this little
bugger was we started off on a bat on bat
footing we were and uh I think it was like
probably it'd probably have to be second grade, maybe I
(17:04):
don't even remember it was first but it might have
been second, but you know they were all of the uh.
We were looking at the map trying to learn where
everything was at, and the uh. The teacher points, she goes,
who knows what this is? And I I raised my hand,
I said I got it. She goes, yes, Brian, I said,
that's the that's the uh, the Pacific a keen and
(17:31):
Chris Walla pipes up and goes, it's not a keene,
it's ocean. And I was like and then and then yes,
it might have been on the playground or whatever. He uh,
and this is this is ironic. Actually, this is incredibly ironic.
If you listen to the Filthy Tom show. He called
(17:54):
me Brian shrimp because there is such a thing as
a Brian shrimp, and my name was Brian, and I
was small, called me Brian trimp. So man, I had
enough of that guy. And so I went home and
I said, h, I said, mom, can you look in this?
Because we had a student directory back then, it was
(18:14):
on paper at everyone's phone number. I said, can you, uh,
can you look up Chris Walla's mother's phone number? I
was mad and I called his mother.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And SA, she did it for you.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, what do you think she's gonna do. I wanted
to call his mother and have a talk.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Maybe like sit you down and you know, explain some
things to you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I called her up and I said, you know, your
son's been bugging me at school. He keeps calling me
Brian shrimp and I don't like it. He's bullying me,
and I wouldn't call it bullying, it's just and he
was annoying me. So anyway, uh we Actually that's how
we became friends when.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Like him apparently, so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Here we are. I'm now forty eight. I don't know
how to pronounce oh, whatever it's called, and it's not
o'shania probably as well. I should be pronounced there like kinwa.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
That's a q.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I hope that's how you pronounce that.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Come quat come. Well that's a little easier.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I got a lot seth Rawlins could become a free
agent next year. His WWE contract is said to expire
in June of twenty twenty four. Fightful reported on Monday
two sides have not spoken about a possible extension. W
W is expected to make re signing the thirty seven
year old a top priority, making Lynch's contract also believed
to expire around June of twenty twenty four, sign a
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new deal in twenty twenty one, time she spent on
maternity leave, not expected to be tacked on the length
of her contract. Oh, that's we'll see about that now,
won't we see about that? Jesus, I would expect both
to re sign. I would be flat gasted if otherwise.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I would figure as much. What is going on in
your forum? Since I have no idea most of the
time and you have all of the idea all of
the time. What is going on with Jack Perry and
Seth Rollins? And if you already have a Jack Perry,
do you need a Seth.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Rawlins Jack Perry and Seth Rawlins.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Look, I saw Jeff Hawkins post something in today's threat
on Wrestling Observer Live, and I've seen other talk in
there that there is a debate over if Seth Rollins
is available, do you sign him? Because does it give
you anything more than what you have with Jack Perry already,
which seems insane to me. Yeah, what seems to be
(20:42):
one of the insane things going on in your forum
right now?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Brother, it ain't my forum, and I refuse this even
discuss this situation here. Sam Punk will be in action
when WWE's Holiday House Show tour comes to LA later
this month. Key a forum in Englewood, California announced Uncle Face.
Anybody know who's a good face?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Mm hmmm, I don't know, you don't know, I don't know. Yes,
Seth please, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Dominic Mysterio, the hardest working man in WWE.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Actually, that's pretty cool. That'll be good.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes with the mizz.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Hey ay la a County.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Punk hasn't wrestled any matches since returning its Survivor series.
He made two appearances on Raw, one on SmackDown, one
on Deadline officially joined the Raw roster. Oops, that's a
spoiler for the world famous Raw Report and likely Punk
and Seth rawlins at WrestleMania forty, so he is not
going to finish Cody's story. This person here notes that
(21:52):
Punk wrestling in LA for sure a plot to pull
a bigger audience than aw did a month prior in
the same building. I don't think they need Punk there
for that, but I'm sure that that's part of a
lot of things.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
It's gonna be interesting to see how they build up
one who is going to win the rumble. I would
assume that it is Cody and makes his decision. But
it's gonna be interesting to see how Punk and Seth
react to each other, because surely that is going to be,
if not the main event of one of those nights,
certainly is gonna be the semi main event if they
(22:23):
decide to go with the Women on Top with Rhea
and however they decide to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We got some uh yeah, I'm doing something else while
you're talking.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Okay, let me just continue on it. Sure all right, Well,
there's been a lot of talk on Wrestling Observer Radio
over who would be the Wrestler of the Year in Japan,
and that person is not will Ospray. Tokyo Sports has
voted Tatsuya Naito as the most well, of course they did,
and the Fighting Spirit Award, by the way, that poor bloke,
(23:00):
the Fighting Spirit Award went to Keno, And honestly, you
could argue that Keno is the Japanese MVP, whether you
include will Ospray or not, because which you have to
remember with will Osprey is yes, he has had a
number of great matches in Japan, but he's also had
a large number of the great matches people are talking
about this year outside of Japan, and frankly, the match
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with Omega, as great as it was, didn't really mean
anything in New Japan's business. Obviously interest in things like that,
but when he came to their core everyday stuff, it
actually didn't have an effect. So I'm not surprised that
this happened. I'm a little surprised it was Nayato as
opposed to Keno. But yeah, as you mentioned, this kind
(23:44):
of sucks to be Sonata and things have not worked
out at all with the way they may have wanted
it to.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I remember talking about that Sanana earlier this year and
chastise for anyway, what I was doing was not playing
angry birds. Boy, we're gonna We're gonna reh We're gonna
redo a lot of this studio everybody. I know some
of you don't care, but it's the holidays. What else
do we have to talk about? What ratings? Some people
are complaining about Mike's Mike right now, Well, we're gonna
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we're gonna get rid of some of this older technology
that a while ago was you know, are you back now? Yeah,
it was state of the art about fifteen years ago.
But now it's a little bit behind the times, so
it's gonna make life a lot easier for everybody that's
going via remote. Hopefully it'll sound as good or better.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And uh, okay, Greg, what does that mean for me?
Since we're doing this on air right now? How does
this affect mean.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
To get rid of that stupid tie lines where you're
gonna get rid of Okay, you're just gonna need your
mic and you're scarletting your laptop.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
That'll be it's very old computer, so just remember that.
Well does it go fairly?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
All right? Well, let's see what goes on? All right, Well,
let's talk about these ratings. Everybody's favorite, all right, there's
not much talk about. Collision actually did fine against the
Deadline show four hundred and fifty five thousand, which is
up zero point nine percent from the previous week, i
ST audience since October twenty eighth, and the best viewership
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the show has ever done, winning the same day as
a ww E or NXT premium live event Collision at
a point fourteen in eighteen to forty nine, same rating
they did last week as well, and the second ice
rating they've done since September sixteenth, So fine number for collision, which,
by the way, hey, everybody is taped. Last time they
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did a tape show did poorly anyone goes see even
though there was like massive competition. Well, this time it
was taped and there was an NXT show had to
head and they did fine. So it doesn't matter if
it's live or taped.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
No, not in most cases. No, although I guess if
you wanted to have an excuse considering that there was
no football, you kind of maybe you could have dragged
some drama into things. Now, as much as this number
was good, come next week with the NFL running all
day on Saturday, who knows how it's going to be.
(26:18):
And then the week after that you have the pay
per view, so there won't be anything there. So I
don't know. It's it's gonna be a rough road to
hoe here with the holidays and with the NFL facing
you as well. So I guess be happy with this
because you may not make it back to that for
a while.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And we got a rampage three hundred and forty one
thousand viewers and a point one two What are you
talking about? Dj? I said the tape show could hurt
and it wasn't even me. It was somebody else that
pointed out that it's taped, and there's there's tournament matches,
and so if somebody has to choose between NXT and Collision,
(26:56):
they'll probably choose NXT because hey, it's taped. I didn't
make any bets. I wasn't convinced of it. I said
it was possible anyway.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
AA with those NXT ratings dropping a little bit, now
maybe we can say NXT's in the mud. They can't
even knock aw down anymore on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You think, Michael Booble, I'm gonna listen to you, Not
a chance. And anyway, Attribute to the Troops did two
point four million viewers on Fox of sixteen percent zero
point sixty three and eighteen of forty nine ups seven percent.
Thanks Phil Well to be honest, Oh, Brian HATESPI. I
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don't hate Phil. But the fact of the matter is
Phil did have the highest segment on the show, but
like just barely. Uh, there were like four or five
segments that did really really well on SmackDown, involving various
people La Night At, Randy Orton, et cetera, et cetera.
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There is no amount of money. Let's talk about raw
and oh but up with Jay Uso coming down to
the ring. He's very excited. He's very excited that he
got Yeat back because of course another indie wrestler owned
Yeat and they very quickly got that so he can
be eaedy again. And so he talks about Sammy's ain
(33:06):
being out of action called uh said he had a
partially torn meniscus, which may be real, but Sammy's ain
was taking time off one way or the other. He's
gonna be gone for a couple of months, it looks like.
And then Drew came out and Drew first off says,
I know that Punk's got to make his decision tonight.
(33:26):
He says, Aldis you can have him. This guy will
destroyed this place from the inside out. Everybody booed. Drew says,
do you know him? I do. I travel the world
with him. I know how this story ends. But hey,
it's not about him. Let's talk about Sammy. He got
done taken out because he talked about my family. And
he says, how many of you if somebody uh hurt
(33:53):
your family and did not apologize for it, how many
of you would be happy with that? And jase Easiert
enough of this, by the way, he still has not
apologized to Drew. So it's Drew Mactirren, Jay Us and
long match went through two commercial breaks. Jay hits the
(34:14):
Kicks Out of the Future Shock, Drew takes off a
corner pad, tries to Claymore, gets speared. The ref goes
to put the corner pad back on like he's got
a bunch of zip ties and ends up with Drew
raking the eyes of Jay and then Claymore and pin him.
It was a good match, near falls at the end,
We're good and that's uh. Drew moving up to get
(34:36):
a World Championship match on the first Raw of twenty
twenty four. Day one Raw no longer a pay per
view now just a raw. Nakamura did a promo and
he essentially said, I have been reborn thanks to you.
I must bring your story to an end, and always
remember that you asked for this. He says, he's the
(34:59):
real nightmare. Oh, Cody, Yeah what I say?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Finn yelled at Jad and Tom. He says, Man, ree
and I are gun for one week and the wheels
are falling off the wagon. You guys lost last week.
Tom lost the North American title and Preece says, yeah,
you know what, losing sucks, but you know what else
sucks not showing up for the show. And he says
Finn and I were not gonna take the creeds lightly.
And Rhea says, you know it seems you're the leader
(35:25):
and uh saying you're the Leader's much easier than being
the leader, isn't it? And Priest is mad and he
starts chewing her out, and Finn in the background's giggling
at these guys yelling at each other. But then she says,
stop not talking about you in particular, I'm talking about
all of you. We need to show the world we
still run this place. I don't let many one of
my division disrespect me, So I'm gonna go take out
(35:48):
Maxine tonight. And then Ivy told Maxine in another segment
that she was gonna be there for tonight. So Ivy
was there for But you do a damn bit of good.
You know who was supremely happy watching Raw last night? Gravity.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Oh, poor Maxine, God bless her.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
This was the worst match of the year.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
No ocean cyclone suplexes.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No oceanic cyclone suplexes. A man. She got in there
and mistimed every single solitary spot she tried, and they
didn't do much, and like every single one of them,
Rhea did not look happy, and she put her in
the prison lock refused to let go. I've hit the
(36:39):
ring for the stare down. Holy smokes. Yeah, Caana Katana
did a video package. They liked a party. I don't
know if you're aware of that or not. Adam Pierce
came out of the ring contract called out cm Punk.
So cmpunk comes out. He talks about his history in
this building. It's all been bad. He debut here and
(37:00):
got sent to Ohio Valley and then he walked out
during the Royal Rumble and let everybody down. Didn't mention
he at his first UFC fight and got smashed, and
he says, you know, couldn't write a better television show.
Ten years to the day Punk walked out. Now he's
walking back in and he's signing that contract. I'm going
to RAW. So Seth then came out. They went face
(37:22):
to face and Seth did his version of the Hangman promo,
which is it's so funny when you really think about it.
So Seth does this promo and he goes, don't talk
about how this is your house. He says, you spent
ten years slannering me, everybody in that locker room. You
abandon this place. Now you're gonna call it home. It's
(37:42):
not your home, it's my home. I've been here ever
in the back that my brothers and sisters. I'll do
everything in my power to protect this place from people
like you. Let me make this clear. I want no confusion.
I will say it plainly with every fiber of my being.
I hate you, and if you are going to be
a part of w W again, I do want you
on RAW because the truth always comes out.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Pal.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I know you know everybody else knows this is your
last chance. One of two things is gonna happen, you're
gonna self destruct, expose yourself. I'll be the guy to
slam the door on your legacy. Or if by some
miracle you have changed, well, if you've got any gas
left in that old tank, maybe one day you'll be
lucky enough to get in the ring with me for
(38:25):
the world title. I will expose you for the fraud
that you are. I will show you there are levels
to this. I will wrestle circles around you. I will
let you understand in real time what it means to
be the best in the world. And Punk says, are
you done? That's your one pass to stand here, speak
to me disrespectfully without me coming after you. I've never
(38:46):
asked for anything to be handed to me. Always done
things the hard way. That's definitely one thing about seeing Punk.
He has always done things the hard way. He's entering
the Royal Rumble, and when he wins, maybe Seth he'll
be coming after him. I thought this segment was outstanding
(39:07):
out I.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Thought you'd say bootlooker or veruse hypocrite or something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That was great. It's a great segment. Actually it really
was another great little match. It was short, but boy
was it sweet Ivar and Bronson Reid. Literally the spots were,
Let's run into each other. Let's run into each other again.
Let's hit each other as hard as we can running
at each other. And then they fought up top. Bronson
(39:32):
Reid gave him a super plex off the top rope
pinned him.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Why does this thing keep going in a subscriber and
subscriber only mode? I don't mean nuts.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
When I was a kid, they used to give us
King Kong, Bundy and Kamala as a as a gift
of two big guys who were bad guys, just slamming
into each other at top speed. And I can tell
you this, their top speed nothing like what you're getting
right now. Bronson, Reid and Ivar doing a hell of
a job going up against each other. This is a
kind of big cord fete.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I like, we had Judgment Day doing a promo and
poor Truth comes out he's acting stupid, and so they
game three weeks. Then they killed him. He was absolutely destroyed.
The Creeds ran down to make the save, which actually
you know now they think about it. I wonder if
Truth will cost Judgment Day the match next week and
give the titles to the Creeds. Don't think that's impossible.
(40:30):
Punk ran into Drew and uh, the story years at
Punk kind of you know, nobody there really wants him there,
which sounds like another storyline I remember from recently. Katan
and Kaden beat Candice in Indie. That was quick. They're
getting a title shot. Next week, we had Becky coming
down to the ring and she calls out Naya Jacks Brian.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Look, I know you like them, but why all the
bad gymnastic routines. I mean, they have got to let
you you're the only one, brother, because everybody else has
got such apathy towards them that you know, they don't
care if they want a party or not.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
No, they're they're they're much much improved, and they they're
gonna work rings around Uh. I don't know about that,
but I ain't gonna work rings around vocas Chelsea. Chelsea
is gonna rings worked around her. Becky came down to
the ring and she calls out Naya, and Nica says,
you know I'm here, I'm not fired anymore. She says,
(41:28):
I punched you, and you know what was the best
thing that ever happened to you? And Becky says, I
don't hold anything against you. You've injured several people, almost
entered a few careers, And I said, that's why we're
still talking about me two years later. You have me
to thank for your career. Now, Becky's mad and basically
she wants to prove that she would have been the
man with or without Nya knocking her out. And she
(41:50):
says I came here for a fight. There's Nya to
hit her again. Nic says you need this more than
me and she leaves.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Becky said it all already.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
The whole deal with her is if the fans, once
the fans, once the blood dried up, the fans would
have left if they didn't care about me. And the
best Night could come back with is you need this
more than me. God, I hope they get rid of
this quick.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Then we had Imperium versus DIY and the MIZZ. Seems
like there's great confusion about whether Twitch should be subscribers
only are free for this show. I thought it was
supposed to be free. Am I wrong?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I thought it was free if you had the Twitch gimmick.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I don't know anyway they can argue about that. While
I talk about this did I not mention the other day?
I did, in fact mention this. I'm sure that I
don't have time to really go into all of this,
but you can listen to the Bryana Beannie Show Sunday.
There were a lot of great things about AW when
they started that they're not doing anymore, and one of
them was, you know, let's find all the things that
(42:53):
dry people nuts about w WE and let's not do it.
And one of them was beating people in their hometown.
And it became a deal where like every time you
had to manchine your hometown in AW always won and
the fans were happy, there was never a problem with it.
And then you know, now it's like people are losing
in their hometown frequently in AAW, including you know at
(43:16):
that show that collision taping, which had like what twenty
four hundred people or whatever in the building, and you
bring out two point zero and they're so impossibly over
and you beat them, like you couldn't beat Commander, who
loses every single week. Commander beat them. And I pointed
out that, like it's kind of amazing, like all the
things that were great about AAW, you know, now WWE
(43:37):
is doing it, and AW is not doing it. Now
AW is beating everybody in their hometown. And here we
have Imperium versus DIY and miss And you know, I
had a guy going, well, you can't beat Commander and
uh Penta, they're gonna be going for some belts or something.
It's like, you could make the same argument about gunthern Imperium,
(43:58):
but they had no problem beating them. Here with Di
Y and the Miz in the mizz and Johnny Gargano's
hometown and the fans were so happy.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
And anyway, you don't actually have to book the match too, Like.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
That's the other one. Yeah, you didn't have to book
two point zero against guys who don't want to beat.
That's that's like the exact same thing we used argue
about WWE. It's like, why'd you meet this person the
home down, Well, we can't be the other guy. What
would you put the match together for give the hometown
guy someone they can beat. We said the exact same thing.
It's now flipped. It's amazing. So anyway, d I Y
(44:34):
and Miss one and now miss is gonna get another
shot at Gunther. And then the main event was Cody
and Shinske and Shinsky blew the mist after like eighteen minutes.
I was ready, just like I can't take it after
a match that long, and the feud is just beginning.
Knockamur and Cody. That's what Cody has to do until
the Royal rumble back in the mom with more Observer Live.
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well as the start of the twenty twenty three Men's
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I could say that much. Also go that you would
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Back of the show, Bright Albarez here, Wrestling Observer Live,
Mike somber vv also Wrestling Observe dot com. Well tonight,
you know it's everybody's favorite show. We've got NXT and
to be honest, it ain't much of a lineup here.
Eddie Thorpe will be facing Die Jack. It should be fine.
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We have lash legend, Oro Mensa and Noam dar versus
Fallon Henley, Josh Briggs and Brooks Jensen. I don't really
have high hopes for that one. We've got the twenty
twenty three Men's Breakout Tournament beginning, which you know when
they did the women's Breakout Tournament, I mean, I couldn't
handle two women's breakout matches on the single show like
(07:09):
one's plenty. I'm sure it's gonna be the same thing
with the men. It's one thing to watch green people
have matches once a week. I can tolerate that twice
on one show. I don't know about that one. Brothers
and Nikita Lyons will make an appearance. He's back. So
that's not much of a lineup at all.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
What kind of combination do you think we're going to
get in that Men's Breakout Tournament match there?
Speaker 1 (07:35):
Bro I haven't even looked at the names. I heard
the promos. I was like, oh my god, there's Milesbourne,
there's Oba Femi, and there's that bloke that that what's
her face has a crush on. No, that's a lawyer.
Lawyer who actually appeared for a couple of shows a
while back as a lawyer.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
This you guy, the chase you guy who girlfriends got
a crush on?
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, I forget anyway, who cares? It's a show? They
better wow me tonight. We're coming off that great Iron
Survivor Challenge show. Come on, see what tricks gotta say?
Then we've got winners coming tomorrow Arlington, Texas. We've got
(08:19):
three Continental Classic matches. We have John Moxley versus Swerve,
which should be a blood bath, a blood bath. We
have Rush versus Jay Lethal, we have Jay White versus
Mark Brisco, and we have Rijo versus Ruby. Soho Hagman
(08:42):
versus Roderick Strong. We will hear from Samoa Joe. We
will hear from Kenny Omega and Chris Jericho. And yes,
the Vaughan Eric family returns to Texas, and I hear
they're actually returning to Texas. They're moving from Hawaii. Imagine,
why would you go that way? Should be going the
(09:03):
other way. But anyway, that's the lineup for Winter is coming.
And we can look at the ticket sales here from
Wressell ticks winter is coming right now?
Speaker 5 (09:16):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Three thousand tickets? And the last time they were there,
well it was final Battle that doesn't really count. Twenty
six hundred, so they're up from the last time. They've
sold ninety eight tickets in the last day, so I
think they're going to finish right around thirty two hundred
would be my guess. Maybe thirty three hundred, but that's
Winter is coming. That is the show.
Speaker 6 (09:39):
Looks like no audio has arrived, at least on my
end of things, which kind of stinks here, but I'll
try to figure this out here. But Luca Blog, you
mean no video? No video here?
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Yes?
Speaker 6 (09:52):
Uh, Lucha Blog made a really it looks.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like you're being punched in the face by a kangaroo
or something like that.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
Luca Blog made a good point when it came to
Tony having his rh press conference right now that's going on,
But he says, you know, this is a free question
for anybody. Last time you swung through Texas, you brought
in CMLL Star and Mystico, and tickets seemed to move well.
After this time, there's only a commander in a sixth way.
(10:21):
Was there any consideration to using more Mexican talent on
this show. And I kind of have that question too, actually,
kind of seeing the way that things have worked out here,
because Mystico did draw so many people, you know, why
didn't they or what was the I wonder what the
mentality here is to not have anybody on the show,
even to draw them for a dark match or something
(10:42):
like that.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I do not have an answer for you, but I
do know that we have the lineup for Final Battle,
which I believe is coming up Friday.
Speaker 6 (10:52):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (10:53):
This coming Friday? I think December? Yes, this coming is
coming Friday. And I do believe that the women are
going to be headlining the show. I think it is
Athena and Billy Starks for the title. And yes, December fifteenth,
and uh, what.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
Going on?
Speaker 1 (11:18):
What's today the twelfth?
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Lord, I don't know if Russell Ticks has an update
since December eighth, But on December eighth, the show was
set up for thirty seven hundred and they were at
one thy fifty six.
Speaker 6 (11:34):
I well, maybe you could have used some Latin American
talent on that show as well too.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
All right, if there's an update since December eighth, can
somebody send it to me because that's that's pretty distressing
right there. So anyway, the lineup is Athena versus Billy
Starks for the Ring of Honor World Title. We have
a survival of the Fittest six way elimination match to
crown a new television Champion, Alton Castle Commander, Lee Moriarty,
Lee Johnson, Kyle Fletcher, and TVD. We have got Keith
(12:08):
Lee versus Shane Taylor. And we have Ethan Page versus
Tony Niece and an iquid match. Now December eight, they
did add John Moxley, Claudio and Brian Danielson versus FTR
and Mark Brisco. So my guess is that they are
well above a thousand right now, but I'm gonna I'm
gonna see if I can get an update, and uh,
we'll find out, because you would think that match would
(12:29):
move a fair number of tickets, That's what I would think.
So that's Final Battle coming up on Friday, and then
Russell Kingdom is coming up. We've got the card for
the show after this past weekend. Soana A versus Nito
for the IWGP World Heavyweight Title, the Ocotta Danielson match
God Forbid Danielson can make it there. We have got
(12:52):
Will Ospray, John Moxley and David Finley, who will in
fact be fighting for the iw GP Global Heavyweight Championship.
We'll get to that in a moment. Romu will defend
the junior title against El Desperado. We have go to
Yoshi Hashi versus Hickoleo and l Fantasmo, and it says
(13:15):
here for both titles, So it doesn't say that it's
necessarily a unification match. It is it is for both titles,
which means, you know they could, you know, the winners
could defend one set of titles on one show, the
other set on the other show. But now it is
just for both titles. We have got Clark Connors and
(13:37):
Drilla Maloney versus TJP and franssko Akira. Well you've got
Zack Sabers Junior versus a Roshi Tanahashi for the television
title and Shingo versus Tomatanga. Now this new belt, this
new belt. New Japan released a statement from Naoki Sugabayashi
(13:59):
ANDJPW and JPW Chairman, who says the IWGP US Heavyweight
Championship came into being in July twenty seventeen to mark
New Japan's first major event in the United States in
Long Beach. After its introduction, it became the symbol of
New Japan competition in the US. In the years at fall,
(14:20):
the title will be defended in Japan, becoming familiar to
Japanese fans as well. However, with the introduction of the
UK Championship this summer, there was confusion among fans as
to the status of the title. Maybe you shouldn't have
created a new title with that in mind.
Speaker 6 (14:36):
They didn't. It was an angle for Osprey. They never
actually created a title with.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
That in mind. Naoki Sugabayashi says the new championship combines
it ads to the US and UK Championship roles, which
will be called the IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship. As it
has already been discussed in recent business strategy presentation. DU
(15:01):
Japan is working to ensure that twenty twenty four sees
our presence grow not just in the UK and the US,
but throughout Europe, the rest of Asia and Oshanya.
Speaker 6 (15:14):
Oceanmo whatever.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Anyway, since his name is Hey, that's another story for
another day. Yeah, kind of ties into that. But anyway,
they got a new Times today, Sure we got time. Hey, listen,
the holidays are coming. We cant have nothing to talk about.
So Moxley, will Ospray and David Finley will be fighting
(15:38):
to determine the first IWGP Global Heavyweight Championship. And then
at the end, Naoki Sugabayashi says thank you, and I
thank you as well, and we'll be right back Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simper Vivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
How do you say you pronounced that Oceana. That's not
how it's spelled at all.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
There's a lot of words, so.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's it's Oceania, Oceania.
Speaker 6 (16:37):
It's not it's not Oceanny.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
You know what this reminds me of. I'll tell this
story now. I mentioned this many times. My best friend
growing up was Chris Waller Death Cab for Cutie and
uh I the first memory I have with this little
bugger was we started off on a bat on bat
footing we were and uh I think it was like
probably it'd probably have to be second grade, maybe I
(17:04):
don't even remember it was first but it might have
been second, but you know they were all of the uh.
We were looking at the map trying to learn where
everything was at, and the uh. The teacher points, she goes,
who knows what this is? And I I raised my hand,
I said I got it. She goes, yes, Brian, I said,
that's the that's the uh, the Pacific a keen and
(17:31):
Chris Walla pipes up and goes, it's not a keene,
it's ocean. And I was like and then and then yes,
it might have been on the playground or whatever. He uh,
and this is this is ironic. Actually, this is incredibly ironic.
If you listen to the Filthy Tom show. He called
(17:54):
me Brian shrimp because there is such a thing as
a Brian shrimp, and my name was Brian, and I
was small, called me Brian trimp. So man, I had
enough of that guy. And so I went home and
I said, h, I said, mom, can you look in this?
Because we had a student directory back then, it was
(18:14):
on paper at everyone's phone number. I said, can you, uh,
can you look up Chris Walla's mother's phone number? I
was mad and I called his mother.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
And SA, she did it for you.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah, what do you think she's gonna do. I wanted
to call his mother and have a talk.
Speaker 6 (18:37):
Maybe like sit you down and you know, explain some
things to you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
I called her up and I said, you know, your
son's been bugging me at school. He keeps calling me
Brian shrimp and I don't like it. He's bullying me,
and I wouldn't call it bullying, it's just and he
was annoying me. So anyway, uh we Actually that's how
we became friends when.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
Like him apparently, so.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Here we are. I'm now forty eight. I don't know
how to pronounce oh, whatever it's called, and it's not
o'shania probably as well. I should be pronounced there like kinwa.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
That's a q.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
I hope that's how you pronounce that.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Come quat come. Well that's a little easier.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
I got a lot seth Rawlins could become a free
agent next year. His WWE contract is said to expire
in June of twenty twenty four. Fightful reported on Monday
two sides have not spoken about a possible extension. W
W is expected to make re signing the thirty seven
year old a top priority, making Lynch's contract also believed
to expire around June of twenty twenty four, sign a
(19:44):
new deal in twenty twenty one, time she spent on
maternity leave, not expected to be tacked on the length
of her contract. Oh, that's we'll see about that now,
won't we see about that? Jesus, I would expect both
to re sign. I would be flat gasted if otherwise.
Speaker 6 (20:01):
I would figure as much. What is going on in
your forum? Since I have no idea most of the
time and you have all of the idea all of
the time. What is going on with Jack Perry and
Seth Rollins? And if you already have a Jack Perry,
do you need a Seth.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Rawlins Jack Perry and Seth Rawlins.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Look, I saw Jeff Hawkins post something in today's threat
on Wrestling Observer Live, and I've seen other talk in
there that there is a debate over if Seth Rollins
is available, do you sign him? Because does it give
you anything more than what you have with Jack Perry already,
which seems insane to me. Yeah, what seems to be
(20:42):
one of the insane things going on in your forum
right now?
Speaker 1 (20:46):
Brother, it ain't my forum, and I refuse this even
discuss this situation here. Sam Punk will be in action
when WWE's Holiday House Show tour comes to LA later
this month. Key a forum in Englewood, California announced Uncle Face.
Anybody know who's a good face?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
Mm hmmm, I don't know, you don't know, I don't know. Yes,
Seth please, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Dominic Mysterio, the hardest working man in WWE.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
Actually, that's pretty cool. That'll be good.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Yes with the mizz.
Speaker 6 (21:24):
Hey ay la a County.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Punk hasn't wrestled any matches since returning its Survivor series.
He made two appearances on Raw, one on SmackDown, one
on Deadline officially joined the Raw roster. Oops, that's a
spoiler for the world famous Raw Report and likely Punk
and Seth rawlins at WrestleMania forty, so he is not
going to finish Cody's story. This person here notes that
(21:52):
Punk wrestling in LA for sure a plot to pull
a bigger audience than aw did a month prior in
the same building. I don't think they need Punk there
for that, but I'm sure that that's part of a
lot of things.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
It's gonna be interesting to see how they build up
one who is going to win the rumble. I would
assume that it is Cody and makes his decision. But
it's gonna be interesting to see how Punk and Seth
react to each other, because surely that is going to be,
if not the main event of one of those nights,
certainly is gonna be the semi main event if they
(22:23):
decide to go with the Women on Top with Rhea
and however they decide to do that.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
We got some uh yeah, I'm doing something else while
you're talking.
Speaker 6 (22:36):
Okay, let me just continue on it. Sure all right, Well,
there's been a lot of talk on Wrestling Observer Radio
over who would be the Wrestler of the Year in Japan,
and that person is not will Ospray. Tokyo Sports has
voted Tatsuya Naito as the most well, of course they did,
and the Fighting Spirit Award, by the way, that poor bloke,
(23:00):
the Fighting Spirit Award went to Keno, And honestly, you
could argue that Keno is the Japanese MVP, whether you
include will Ospray or not, because which you have to
remember with will Osprey is yes, he has had a
number of great matches in Japan, but he's also had
a large number of the great matches people are talking
about this year outside of Japan, and frankly, the match
(23:22):
with Omega, as great as it was, didn't really mean
anything in New Japan's business. Obviously interest in things like that,
but when he came to their core everyday stuff, it
actually didn't have an effect. So I'm not surprised that
this happened. I'm a little surprised it was Nayato as
opposed to Keno. But yeah, as you mentioned, this kind
(23:44):
of sucks to be Sonata and things have not worked
out at all with the way they may have wanted
it to.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I remember talking about that Sanana earlier this year and
chastise for anyway, what I was doing was not playing
angry birds. Boy, we're gonna We're gonna reh We're gonna
redo a lot of this studio everybody. I know some
of you don't care, but it's the holidays. What else
do we have to talk about? What ratings? Some people
are complaining about Mike's Mike right now, Well, we're gonna
(24:15):
we're gonna get rid of some of this older technology
that a while ago was you know, are you back now? Yeah,
it was state of the art about fifteen years ago.
But now it's a little bit behind the times, so
it's gonna make life a lot easier for everybody that's
going via remote. Hopefully it'll sound as good or better.
Speaker 6 (24:37):
And uh, okay, Greg, what does that mean for me?
Since we're doing this on air right now? How does
this affect mean.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
To get rid of that stupid tie lines where you're
gonna get rid of Okay, you're just gonna need your
mic and you're scarletting your laptop.
Speaker 6 (24:51):
That'll be it's very old computer, so just remember that.
Well does it go fairly?
Speaker 1 (24:59):
All right? Well, let's see what goes on? All right, Well,
let's talk about these ratings. Everybody's favorite, all right, there's
not much talk about. Collision actually did fine against the
Deadline show four hundred and fifty five thousand, which is
up zero point nine percent from the previous week, i
ST audience since October twenty eighth, and the best viewership
(25:22):
the show has ever done, winning the same day as
a ww E or NXT premium live event Collision at
a point fourteen in eighteen to forty nine, same rating
they did last week as well, and the second ice
rating they've done since September sixteenth, So fine number for collision, which,
by the way, hey, everybody is taped. Last time they
(25:45):
did a tape show did poorly anyone goes see even
though there was like massive competition. Well, this time it
was taped and there was an NXT show had to
head and they did fine. So it doesn't matter if
it's live or taped.
Speaker 6 (25:58):
No, not in most cases. No, although I guess if
you wanted to have an excuse considering that there was
no football, you kind of maybe you could have dragged
some drama into things. Now, as much as this number
was good, come next week with the NFL running all
day on Saturday, who knows how it's going to be.
(26:18):
And then the week after that you have the pay
per view, so there won't be anything there. So I
don't know. It's it's gonna be a rough road to
hoe here with the holidays and with the NFL facing
you as well. So I guess be happy with this
because you may not make it back to that for
a while.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And we got a rampage three hundred and forty one
thousand viewers and a point one two What are you
talking about? Dj? I said the tape show could hurt
and it wasn't even me. It was somebody else that
pointed out that it's taped, and there's there's tournament matches,
and so if somebody has to choose between NXT and Collision,
(26:56):
they'll probably choose NXT because hey, it's taped. I didn't
make any bets. I wasn't convinced of it. I said
it was possible anyway.
Speaker 6 (27:09):
AA with those NXT ratings dropping a little bit, now
maybe we can say NXT's in the mud. They can't
even knock aw down anymore on Saturdays.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
You think, Michael Booble, I'm gonna listen to you, Not
a chance. And anyway, Attribute to the Troops did two
point four million viewers on Fox of sixteen percent zero
point sixty three and eighteen of forty nine ups seven percent.
Thanks Phil Well to be honest, Oh, Brian HATESPI. I
(27:38):
don't hate Phil. But the fact of the matter is
Phil did have the highest segment on the show, but
like just barely. Uh, there were like four or five
segments that did really really well on SmackDown, involving various
people La Night At, Randy Orton, et cetera, et cetera.
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There is no amount of money. Let's talk about raw
and oh but up with Jay Uso coming down to
the ring. He's very excited. He's very excited that he
got Yeat back because of course another indie wrestler owned
Yeat and they very quickly got that so he can
be eaedy again. And so he talks about Sammy's ain
(33:06):
being out of action called uh said he had a
partially torn meniscus, which may be real, but Sammy's ain
was taking time off one way or the other. He's
gonna be gone for a couple of months, it looks like.
And then Drew came out and Drew first off says,
I know that Punk's got to make his decision tonight.
(33:26):
He says, Aldis you can have him. This guy will
destroyed this place from the inside out. Everybody booed. Drew says,
do you know him? I do. I travel the world
with him. I know how this story ends. But hey,
it's not about him. Let's talk about Sammy. He got
done taken out because he talked about my family. And
he says, how many of you if somebody uh hurt
(33:53):
your family and did not apologize for it, how many
of you would be happy with that? And jase Easiert
enough of this, by the way, he still has not
apologized to Drew. So it's Drew Mactirren, Jay Us and
long match went through two commercial breaks. Jay hits the
(34:14):
Kicks Out of the Future Shock, Drew takes off a
corner pad, tries to Claymore, gets speared. The ref goes
to put the corner pad back on like he's got
a bunch of zip ties and ends up with Drew
raking the eyes of Jay and then Claymore and pin him.
It was a good match, near falls at the end,
We're good and that's uh. Drew moving up to get
(34:36):
a World Championship match on the first Raw of twenty
twenty four. Day one Raw no longer a pay per
view now just a raw. Nakamura did a promo and
he essentially said, I have been reborn thanks to you.
I must bring your story to an end, and always
remember that you asked for this. He says, he's the
(34:59):
real nightmare. Oh, Cody, Yeah what I say?
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Nobody.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Finn yelled at Jad and Tom. He says, Man, ree
and I are gun for one week and the wheels
are falling off the wagon. You guys lost last week.
Tom lost the North American title and Preece says, yeah,
you know what, losing sucks, but you know what else
sucks not showing up for the show. And he says
Finn and I were not gonna take the creeds lightly.
And Rhea says, you know it seems you're the leader
(35:25):
and uh saying you're the Leader's much easier than being
the leader, isn't it? And Priest is mad and he
starts chewing her out, and Finn in the background's giggling
at these guys yelling at each other. But then she says,
stop not talking about you in particular, I'm talking about
all of you. We need to show the world we
still run this place. I don't let many one of
my division disrespect me, So I'm gonna go take out
(35:48):
Maxine tonight. And then Ivy told Maxine in another segment
that she was gonna be there for tonight. So Ivy
was there for But you do a damn bit of good.
You know who was supremely happy watching Raw last night? Gravity.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:09):
Oh, poor Maxine, God bless her.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
This was the worst match of the year.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
No ocean cyclone suplexes.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
No oceanic cyclone suplexes. A man. She got in there
and mistimed every single solitary spot she tried, and they
didn't do much, and like every single one of them,
Rhea did not look happy, and she put her in
the prison lock refused to let go. I've hit the
(36:39):
ring for the stare down. Holy smokes. Yeah, Caana Katana
did a video package. They liked a party. I don't
know if you're aware of that or not. Adam Pierce
came out of the ring contract called out cm Punk.
So cmpunk comes out. He talks about his history in
this building. It's all been bad. He debut here and
(37:00):
got sent to Ohio Valley and then he walked out
during the Royal Rumble and let everybody down. Didn't mention
he at his first UFC fight and got smashed, and
he says, you know, couldn't write a better television show.
Ten years to the day Punk walked out. Now he's
walking back in and he's signing that contract. I'm going
to RAW. So Seth then came out. They went face
(37:22):
to face and Seth did his version of the Hangman promo,
which is it's so funny when you really think about it.
So Seth does this promo and he goes, don't talk
about how this is your house. He says, you spent
ten years slannering me, everybody in that locker room. You
abandon this place. Now you're gonna call it home. It's
(37:42):
not your home, it's my home. I've been here ever
in the back that my brothers and sisters. I'll do
everything in my power to protect this place from people
like you. Let me make this clear. I want no confusion.
I will say it plainly with every fiber of my being.
I hate you, and if you are going to be
a part of w W again, I do want you
on RAW because the truth always comes out.
Speaker 6 (38:04):
Pal.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I know you know everybody else knows this is your
last chance. One of two things is gonna happen, you're
gonna self destruct, expose yourself. I'll be the guy to
slam the door on your legacy. Or if by some
miracle you have changed, well, if you've got any gas
left in that old tank, maybe one day you'll be
lucky enough to get in the ring with me for
(38:25):
the world title. I will expose you for the fraud
that you are. I will show you there are levels
to this. I will wrestle circles around you. I will
let you understand in real time what it means to
be the best in the world. And Punk says, are
you done? That's your one pass to stand here, speak
to me disrespectfully without me coming after you. I've never
(38:46):
asked for anything to be handed to me. Always done
things the hard way. That's definitely one thing about seeing Punk.
He has always done things the hard way. He's entering
the Royal Rumble, and when he wins, maybe Seth he'll
be coming after him. I thought this segment was outstanding
(39:07):
out I.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Thought you'd say bootlooker or veruse hypocrite or something like that.
Speaker 1 (39:11):
That was great. It's a great segment. Actually it really
was another great little match. It was short, but boy
was it sweet Ivar and Bronson Reid. Literally the spots were,
Let's run into each other. Let's run into each other again.
Let's hit each other as hard as we can running
at each other. And then they fought up top. Bronson
(39:32):
Reid gave him a super plex off the top rope
pinned him.
Speaker 6 (39:41):
That's awesome.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
Why does this thing keep going in a subscriber and
subscriber only mode? I don't mean nuts.
Speaker 6 (39:47):
When I was a kid, they used to give us
King Kong, Bundy and Kamala as a as a gift
of two big guys who were bad guys, just slamming
into each other at top speed. And I can tell
you this, their top speed nothing like what you're getting
right now. Bronson, Reid and Ivar doing a hell of
a job going up against each other. This is a
kind of big cord fete.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
I like, we had Judgment Day doing a promo and
poor Truth comes out he's acting stupid, and so they
game three weeks. Then they killed him. He was absolutely destroyed.
The Creeds ran down to make the save, which actually
you know now they think about it. I wonder if
Truth will cost Judgment Day the match next week and
give the titles to the Creeds. Don't think that's impossible.
(40:30):
Punk ran into Drew and uh, the story years at
Punk kind of you know, nobody there really wants him there,
which sounds like another storyline I remember from recently. Katan
and Kaden beat Candice in Indie. That was quick. They're
getting a title shot. Next week, we had Becky coming
down to the ring and she calls out Naya Jacks Brian.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
Look, I know you like them, but why all the
bad gymnastic routines. I mean, they have got to let
you you're the only one, brother, because everybody else has
got such apathy towards them that you know, they don't
care if they want a party or not.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
No, they're they're they're much much improved, and they they're
gonna work rings around Uh. I don't know about that,
but I ain't gonna work rings around vocas Chelsea. Chelsea
is gonna rings worked around her. Becky came down to
the ring and she calls out Naya, and Nica says,
you know I'm here, I'm not fired anymore. She says,
(41:28):
I punched you, and you know what was the best
thing that ever happened to you? And Becky says, I
don't hold anything against you. You've injured several people, almost
entered a few careers, And I said, that's why we're
still talking about me two years later. You have me
to thank for your career. Now, Becky's mad and basically
she wants to prove that she would have been the
man with or without Nya knocking her out. And she
(41:50):
says I came here for a fight. There's Nya to
hit her again. Nic says you need this more than
me and she leaves.
Speaker 6 (41:58):
Becky said it all already.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
You know.
Speaker 6 (42:00):
The whole deal with her is if the fans, once
the fans, once the blood dried up, the fans would
have left if they didn't care about me. And the
best Night could come back with is you need this
more than me. God, I hope they get rid of
this quick.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
Then we had Imperium versus DIY and the MIZZ. Seems
like there's great confusion about whether Twitch should be subscribers
only are free for this show. I thought it was
supposed to be free. Am I wrong?
Speaker 6 (42:28):
I thought it was free if you had the Twitch gimmick.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
I don't know anyway they can argue about that. While
I talk about this did I not mention the other day?
I did, in fact mention this. I'm sure that I
don't have time to really go into all of this,
but you can listen to the Bryana Beannie Show Sunday.
There were a lot of great things about AW when
they started that they're not doing anymore, and one of
them was, you know, let's find all the things that
(42:53):
dry people nuts about w WE and let's not do it.
And one of them was beating people in their hometown.
And it became a deal where like every time you
had to manchine your hometown in AW always won and
the fans were happy, there was never a problem with it.
And then you know, now it's like people are losing
in their hometown frequently in AAW, including you know at
(43:16):
that show that collision taping, which had like what twenty
four hundred people or whatever in the building, and you
bring out two point zero and they're so impossibly over
and you beat them, like you couldn't beat Commander, who
loses every single week. Commander beat them. And I pointed
out that, like it's kind of amazing, like all the
things that were great about AAW, you know, now WWE
(43:37):
is doing it, and AW is not doing it. Now
AW is beating everybody in their hometown. And here we
have Imperium versus DIY and miss And you know, I
had a guy going, well, you can't beat Commander and
uh Penta, they're gonna be going for some belts or something.
It's like, you could make the same argument about gunthern Imperium,
(43:58):
but they had no problem beating them. Here with Di
Y and the Miz in the mizz and Johnny Gargano's
hometown and the fans were so happy.
Speaker 6 (44:07):
And anyway, you don't actually have to book the match too, Like.
Speaker 1 (44:12):
That's the other one. Yeah, you didn't have to book
two point zero against guys who don't want to beat.
That's that's like the exact same thing we used argue
about WWE. It's like, why'd you meet this person the
home down, Well, we can't be the other guy. What
would you put the match together for give the hometown
guy someone they can beat. We said the exact same thing.
It's now flipped. It's amazing. So anyway, d I Y
(44:34):
and Miss one and now miss is gonna get another
shot at Gunther. And then the main event was Cody
and Shinske and Shinsky blew the mist after like eighteen minutes.
I was ready, just like I can't take it after
a match that long, and the feud is just beginning.
Knockamur and Cody. That's what Cody has to do until
the Royal rumble back in the mom with more Observer Live.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
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Speaker 1 (45:17):
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talk about. Granny will be on as always and also
we will be reviewing the December eighteen, nineteen eighty two
(45:44):
edition of World Class Championship Wrestling. Season one, Episode fifty
two is what we'll be watching tonight. We're watching all
the shows leading up to that big nineteen eighty two
Christmas cage match with Rick Flay and carry Von eric So.
Tonight once again, December eighteen, nineteen eighty two, Season one,
(46:05):
episode fifty two is what we will be watching so
you can watch along. We'll review it tonight the rest
of the fun stuff as well. I'll be posting on
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Granny segment here tonight, So that's coming up, and then
tomorrow we will be back here Observer Live as well
(46:29):
as the Lance Storm Show and Rustling Observer Radio Wednesday night,
No Dave, so may just be me going solo talking
to news and reviewing ae W. So that's gonna be fun.
So that's the plan for the next couple of days,
and then we'll have a lot of mic shows the
(46:49):
week after because I'm going to be gone. Oh yeah, yeah,
I will be unavailable for shows for a week. Oh
the things that you can talk about, Oh the things
you can think, Mike, All the.
Speaker 6 (47:06):
Things we're going to be talking about once this show is.
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Over with.
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