August 26, 2025 • 46 mins
Bryan discusses WWE Counter Programming and this weeks upcoming lineup and the weekend recap.
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And it's Monday here on the show.
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And you know that means we got news about WWE counterprogramming.
That's right, but they are not counterprogramming. Aw, they're actually
counter programming this show here today. I think Raw is
on right now, isn't it. So yeah, you can watch
it or you can watch me. So what would you choose?
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We got the Raw lineup coming up for tonight, so
go home show for Clash in Paris which is coming
up this weekend.
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So we got a lot to talk about.
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There a lot of shows this weekend, including Forbidden Door
and the heat Waves Show, but obviously the top story
is what happened with Rajah Jackson, the son of Rampage
At Jackson and independent pro wrestler Psycho stew We got
a lot of news to talk about on this today,
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horrible story, and we got some updates on everything, so
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he's here. I should have confirmed that, but I just
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So we'll have him on the show after the break
and an update on his hip replacement surgery. I can
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couldn't do that on last week when he checked in.
But anyway, we got a lot to get into here
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Speaker 1 (06:09):
Back here on the show, I realize it's horrible that
I just opened up this show laughing. But Tom sent
me to his Twitter to see what was something that
was not funny at all, which we're gonna get into
in a moment. But as I was about to hit record,
I scrolled a little further down and I saw the
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twenty twelve article you posted broke Tom Lawler gets forty
grand Knockout of the Night bonus and UFC on fuel three.
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Wow, what a way to put you over you're broke.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, the reason why that even happened is there was
recently a fighter, Charles ener G Johnson, who, by the way,
great nickname and even better haircut one A. He was
an underdog, I believe this past weekend and won a
big fight, got a bonus, and it was revealed that
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(07:04):
I was like, wait a minute, that actually happened to
me in the past too, where I was in the red.
I had to borrow money from one of my friends,
Dan Fern, and.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Did he work for NXT.
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No, okay, this is like a computer security guy.
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I just heard the name Dan Fern.
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I use an alias, ok. But anyways, I paid him
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I've been in the game for a while, Brian, I've
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Well, you know you've kept at it, so congratulations. All right,
we got to talk about a really serious situation. I
don't want to joke about anything. So before we get
into all of the updates today, in case some of
you don't know what happened, there was a Knox Pro
Wrestling show over the weekend, and to try to cut
(08:01):
it down to like just the basics, Rajah Jackson, who's
the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson. He went to the
show with his video camera and he's got like a
live stream that he does on.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Kick.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's like the new one Kick, So he's like streaming
on Kick. And before the show, he's in the back
and all the wrestlers are hanging out and one of
the wrestlers, Psycho Stu, goes up to him and he
sees the camera and he presumes that Rajah Jackson is
(08:41):
one of the workers, which he is not. He was
just there at the show, and so they kind of
do a little back and forth and Psycho asked him,
you know who I am? And Roger's like, I don't
know who you are. And Psycho thinks he's kind of
messing with him because he thinks he's a worker. And
so he's drinking a beer and he takes a beer
can and he does like a a he crushes half
the beer can on his on his head, and you know,
(09:04):
Rajah Jackson later even he was like it didn't hurt,
but he was mad because he didn't know why this
guy hit him with a beer can. So he gets
hot and all the other wrestlers kind of gather around
and they're they're they start explaining to Stu, you know,
this guy's he's not a worker, he's just here. And
you know Raja's he's he's mad, and so they're trying
(09:25):
to calm him down, and they're going, he thought you
were a worker. He was just you know, we all
mess around, we all and so Stu offers a handshake
and Raja wants none of his handshake, and Stu apologizes.
He says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He offers a handshake. Rojer wants none of it. So
the one of the co owners of Knox It's Rakishi's promotion, Reno, says,
you know what, let's do a spot tonight in the match.
You can get involved in the match. He doesn't say
anything about what he he just says, let's let's get together.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And work out a spot. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So then this other guy, aj Mana, he basically says,
you get in there tonight and you can get your
receipt on this guy. And as soon as as Raja
hears I'm gonna get my receipt on this guy, I'm
gonna get to hit him back. And then he's like, oh,
let's shake hands, and he's all, you know, he's supposedly
cool with this. So you know, he's filming this, this
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whole thing. This is not like she said, he said,
she said, He's filming this whole thing. It's on the internet,
like as of last night. It may not be there
now for legal reasons, but as of last night it
was still there. You can go up and watch it.
So for the next two hours, Raja is filming himself
as he goes to sit down at the show, as
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he walks around backstage, as he as he literally explains
into the camera, I'm gonna hit this guy for real,
and he starts, he starts going on kick and everybody
on Kick is telling him like, you can't stand for that.
You got to stand up for yourself. And so over
the next hour he's getting more and more hot. He
just keeps reading this chat and you know he's he's
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over and over again you know, talking about I'm gonna
hurt this guy. I'm not gonna hurt him too bad,
he says. But it's not gonna be scripted when I
get in there. And so eventually, you know, the match
is taking place. He's sitting at ringside and he ends
up he ends up flying into the ring. He grabs
this guy who doesn't fight like the guy thinks it's
(11:33):
just gonna be some spot stew and he picks this
dude up and he does like the MMA slam.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It was like the booker t oh my god, where's
it the slam that he would do. It's like an
over the shoulder spine bluster.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, and he slams this guy and this guy looks
like he's out immediately. I don't know if he's selling,
but he looks like he's out. And then Raja jumps
on this guy and he punches him as hard as
he can, full force in the face.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Twenty one times.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Now as this is happening, and I listen, let me
let me say this, Let me just say something, hold on,
hold on, because I'm gonna I will.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I will say what you're expecting. But I want to say.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This first, initially, last night. I was somewhat defensive of
the other wrestlers in the ring because we're all watching
the footage. We know what happened, we know what to expect.
Nobody in there did. Okay, there was one guy who
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within about three seconds, he tries to break this thing up.
It doesn't work, and finally all of the other guys
get in and they drag him off after twenty one punches,
and I was I was sympathetic because none of them
had the benefit of knowing what was gonna happen. I
don't know if anyone even knew the guy was gonna
run in. A lot of them were probably in shock. However,
(12:59):
you posted a video on your Twitter today.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm sending you the full two minutes that I have
right now.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
That I was completely unaware of last night. So as
he is being pulled off and like half of the
wrestlers have bowled him into the corner to get him
off the guy.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
One guy is throwing shoulder tackles, one guy hit him
with like a fake bag like that. The restraint on
Rajah Jackson left a lot to be decided. There was
one gentleman the epic who I will give credit to.
He was outside the ring, and he's the one that
ran in and at least restrained Rajah. He was throwing
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head butts at him. That he was the only one
that I would give any credit.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That guy is a hero. Okay, that guy's a hero.
Now the I am absolutely appalled, aghast a disgusted dude.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
As there we.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Only saw in the light in the in the video
that Rajah put up, we only saw him being bowled
into the like he's being he's in the corner, he's
being restrained or whatever. That's what we saw. We didn't
see what's happening in the ring. I presumed like everybody
was bulling him into the corner. You have an angle
whereas he is laying there with blood pouring out of
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his head, in his ears, choking air, his teeth in
his blood. Someone covers him and the ref counts the pin.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Disgusting what.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Somebody covered him and the ref counted the pin. Yes,
the ref counted the pin. The video is up on
Tom's Twitter.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Timmy Handsome is the ring name of the man who
pinned Psycho.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
STU mean, go after Rajah.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
This is your first reaction is to pin the guy
whose call was this was it his call. Did somebody
tell them get on top of him and pin them?
End it? What is going on here? And people are
going ah, people are arguing with me saying I don't
know the unwritten rules of wrestling. The show must go on. Listen, buddy,
what about the rules of life? Okay, there's no hold
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on before you go, before you go into the rules
of life?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Who is telling you, like, listen, hey, if you want
to tell me, okay, like, hey, I was a pro wrestler,
but you're a pro wrestler and a UFC fighter. So
who's telling you that you don't understand the rules of
either business? Stand by Observer Life.
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Speaker 5 (16:02):
Right, I'm gonna let you go off.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Don't swear, but I want to say one thing before
we go any further. And that is as appalled as
I was with that spot where the guy covered in
the referee counted the pin. I do think that we
need to remember what happened and who did what. You
(16:25):
know what I'm saying, like, you can get mad at
those guys all you want okay, but there's one guy
who hit the ring and like did what he did,
and that's that's Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Now go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, And by the same token, I've had a lot
of people because I watched a portion of that hour
forty five minute video that Roger Jackson had up or
whatever it was, as I did, and I mean, he
was disrespectful from the very beginning when he showed up
kind of towards the whole event, I don't have tickets,
blah blah, blah blah. He's trash talking his butty, which
(17:00):
is you know, that's one thing, but then you know,
talking about how he's gonna hit him for real. I mean,
the entire thing is awful. But we had aj Mana,
who I think is the one that brought him in,
that brought Rajah Jackson to the show, a self proclaimed
MMA fighter, stuntman actor, obviously a professional wrestler, here telling
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Rajah Jackson to get his receipt. You know what a
receipt is, get a receipt, tag him. You know what,
if they don't like it, I'll come out there. So
he's already hyping him up, as you said on kick
These twelve and fifteen year old kids are egging Amon
to go fight, and he gets in the ring. He
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does that, and people are Any sort of vindication that
people have for him, any sort of like backing, should
be out the window. This man is an adult. He's
twenty five years old. If Brian told me to go
shoot on somebody that at the Christmas party, that doesn't
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give me carte blanche to do it. There's still repercussions
that you have to face. And when I look at it,
I've got to imagine this guy has never faced any repercussions.
There's a video of Rampage Jackson just days ago on
kick saying, you know what, I saved up money for
my Asian kids to go to college, and I saved
(18:26):
up money to bail Rajah Jackson out right, Yes, I
mean we have it right there.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
This was before anything, before anything.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Rampage Jackson afterwards makes a statement saying Psycho Stu's okay,
which apparently I don't know where he got that information,
because that does not seem to be the case. What
I understand. He was in critical care according to his brother,
and one of the biggest, one of the biggest concerns
that Rampage Jackson has and all of his videos which
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you see over and over and over and over again.
And hey, I'm a parent, I don't know how I
would react if my son did something like this. I
would be concerned for him, for sure. But he keeps
asking is he gonna get kicked off off Kick? Is
he gonna lose his account? Is he gonna get banned
from Kick? Very little care for what happened to Psycho Stu. Now,
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Psycho Stu, I mean, I don't condone walking up to
somebody and who's unprepared, you don't know, and whacking him
in the head with a beer can or whatever it was,
a soda can. Now clearly he was doing it in
a worked manner. He thought that Raj Jackson was in
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on it. But this also, I mean, it's just a
perfect storm of events that led to this. And then
Raj Jackson leaves the guy who is dressed like a
clown and a baseball outfit who was tackling him and
throwing shoulder blocks in the corner. That guy gives chase
to him, go after him, and then cuts a promo
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on him, cuts a promo on Rampage Jackson in front
of the fans. That was, you know, one of his
first actions not to go care for psychostu, not to
go calm things down in the locker room and help there.
Just a miss on so many levels. This was mishandled
so so badly across the board. One of the worst
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things I have ever seen in professional wrestling or MMA
for that matter. You know this, this man is supposed
to be a trained fighter, he's owned one as a professional,
but he brandishes himself as an MMA fighter. We we.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like it, as I mean, all the faults.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We see a fighters, we don't see this very often.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You mentioned this whole situation was mishandled, and you're correct,
but like I want to, I want to point out
that like you almost can't even say mishandled because there's
nothing handled about it. Like I don't think of that
entire stream there was like anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That told anybody what was gonna happen, Like I.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Don't remember anybody him having any conversations about this is
the spot that we're gonna do or whatever, Like he
literally was just told go in and get your receipt.
And you know, again, I'm still appalled by the cover
and the pin.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And everything like that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But I mean, I don't have any indication that anybody
in the ring knew what was gonna happen. I mean,
this dude, they who knows what anybody thought? There was
no like, hey, no one thought this is what we're
gonna do. This guy's gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You guys do that, you know? Make sure.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm not even sure those guys were told. He said,
I'm just gonna keep hitting him till I get pulled off.
I don't remember seeing any indication that the other guys
were told to pull the guy off.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It was like it was like the Wild West.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hey, you know what, We're gonna have a match, just
like you hit the ring and get your receipt and
then like, you know whatever. It's like, where was I
don't know, man, this whole thing right now Psychos. According
to his brother Andrew Smith, says that he is in
stable but critical care. So one of the wrestlers in
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an interview I think with like USA today, I've got
it here somewhere, but he basically said that Stu was
on his way home. Mallow it's his first name.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Where is it here?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Douglas Molow, one of the wrestlers who attended to intervene.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Hold on, hold on, Brian Bryan because because this is
kind of off topic. When this happens, Roger Jackson gets
a call, He gets a call from somebody at the
show who says, man, you should have done that, you
should have gone that far. He's in the ring flatlining
and do you remember what Rogar Jackson said.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
My bad, I got a call.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Uh, I'll call you back. What.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, So, according to Well, Douglas Mallow had told USA
Today that Smith was awake talking on Sunday, broken bones
in his face, lost a lot of teeth, but then
he went on read it and said he's going home.
And then it was several hours later that Stu's brother
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posted on Facebook and said good morning, thank you for
the outpouring of support. Stuart is conscious, does have some
recollection of events from the day of the attack, but
said that he was.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
In critical care.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Now critical care, I mean that's the er and they're
watching you like every moment to make sure you stay alive.
So it's a serious, serious situation. And you know, yesterday
Dave and I were talking about this and he said
that Knox Pro wasn't an ID school, but they'd had
ID talent. No, it wasn't ID school. It is now
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not an ID school. The the ID membership or whatever
has been pulled. I don't know what else is gonna happen,
but they're not an ID school now. And I mean
you asked the question during the break, which was a
good question. How are ID schools chosen? What does the
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vetting process? The vetting process appeared to be that Rakishi
owned it. Other than that, I don't know what it was,
you know, but if you watch the video, it's like,
you know, the wrestlers are changing outside. There seems to
be very little communication about what's going on on the show.
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This whole thing happened. It's like, I don't know, man,
I don't know being investigated by the LAPD and what
that means. Who knows. But I mean, here's a thing.
If nothing happens, I don't know what to say about
the LAPD because all of this is on film, every
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last second of it. Rampage. When he was doing his deal,
he tried to claim that, well, you know, the guy
hit him with a beer can and he was mad,
and then this thing happened and tempers.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
The beer can incident was followed by a handshake where
Roger claimed that he was he was cool now. But
then that was followed by two hours of him filming
himself getting more and more agitated, flat out saying what
he was going to go in and do. I mean,
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this was not like spur of the moment. I mean,
he had two hours to think about it, and he
only got more angry in that two hours.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Rampage also mentioned that Roger Jackson recently had a brain
injury from sparring, and that maybe the can shot to
the head was part of the issue. But the multiple
times are Roger Jackson says that didn't hurt it all, no.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Problem, and and I mean and bright. We also have
two hours of him seeming to be I mean, he's angry,
but he doesn't seem like he's you know, he's just
he seems quite angry. And he gets more and more
angry the more he goes on kick the more he
listens to that chat.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And you said, what what is the LAPD gonna do? Right?
What is the lap get LAPD gonna do? Probably the
same thing that the Orange County Police Department did at
the end of the day with Rampage Jackson when he
went on that hit and run in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This brushing under the rug, Well this guy does say,
have no faith in the lapd Brian, Well, all I
know is they've got plenty of evidence. I mean, the
entire thing from start to finish was all filmed and
it's out there everywhere. So this person here that says
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the schools are Booker t School, Cody School, Seth Rowland's school.
It was Rakishi's school, and Elite Pro Wrestling, so doesn't
appear there is a vetting process under then a w
w E star owns a school. So all right back
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
Okay, well, I don't know what more there is to
say about this particular story, but all the best to
Psycho ste. Hopefully we keep getting positive reports. His brother
saying he's conscious and some recollection is definitely positive compared
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to the first.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Facebook post that he posted, so hopefully.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah. And you know what, also, Brian, I'd like to say,
I hope whatever the issue is with Rajah Jackson can
get handled too. If this guy needs some medical and
psychological evaluation, you know, in order to help him, let's
go down that road. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This whole thing is just a disaster.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Well, what did you watch this weekend?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
How's that?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
For a second? Just start naming stuff because I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I mean, there was a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I think I watched most of it. There's a few
matches I missed, like I missed the woman's title change
on NXT. It just so happened like I was watching
on one TV at one speed and then you know,
at a different I had it live and another and
I kind of missed that match and some of the
Forbidden Door pay per view I missed, but I saw
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the majority of what happened this weekend no collision. I
watched the UFC as well, two nights of it, along
with the Kurt Darelli Oil Wrestling Tournament, which and once
again won by Orhan Oklou. I could just put that
on repeat, but.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, listen if you these are the matches I gave
four stars or more too if you care about star ratings.
Kyle Fletcher and Horomu I thought was pretty fantastic. Missed it,
Zach Saber Junior and Nigel McGinnis. I didn't quite give four,
but I gave it three and three quarter and it
was pretty freaking great as well, so you should check
that out. Same with o'cotton Swerve. I gave it just
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under four. Same with Ton and Athena just under four.
Hangman in MJF I gave. I gave more than four,
and the main event cage match so a lot of
matches if you want, like really good wrestling that would
be unforbidden door And honestly, like if you're talking about
the the NXT show, I thought it was on the Weekend.
(33:20):
Jordan Grace and Blake Monroe I would say was three
and three quarter very close to four star match.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I mean they did a great job.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I feel like in a different setting. It was just
it just for some reason that fell out of place.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well, the best match on the show by far was
Obafemi and Javon Evans, which was pretty much as good
as anything on the AW show. That match was frickin' great.
If you're surprised that Javon Evans didn't win the title,
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
He got murdered, but in a way that in the
long run you want to see him come back and
actually avenge this loss. He didn't go out looking like
a geek.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No, I will say they they did.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
They did give him a lot. I mean this was
as far as like he didn't win, but as far as, like,
you know, giving him a lot in a match and
making him look like he actually could have become champion.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
This was better than.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Most Yvonne matches, because you know, usually he'll look great
against a geek, but then they'll put him in with
a main event guy and like he'll get some spots,
but you know, they want you to know that he's
not at that level yet. This one, they they really
gave him a lot and he looked great as he
always does, and it was an excellent match and you
(34:40):
should go out of your way to see it.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This Oba Femi, good lord, he's awesome, He's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Javan should have beat him for no other reason than
he should be on the main roster.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, he should be like what TKO wanted Francis Naganu
to be, you know what I mean, the star for Africa.
He is just off the charts great as a big man.
He works well with every style of wrestler that I've
seen so far. I mean, I don't know how much
higher I could be on this guy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, you know a lot of people talk and this
is true, like on the WE main roster as far
as like black male wrestlers, I mean there's I don't
think there's anybody really getting a push.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And uh, I will just say that if.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
They bring up Trick Williams, Obafemi and Javaon and none
of those three guys get a push, then something's up, dude.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
But like next year, two years.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
From now, at this time, I mean, we should have
three black male wrestlers as like regular main eventors. Because Trick,
he's not the best wrestler in the world, although he's improved,
but my god, this guy has more charisma than almost anybody.
Oba Femei is like he can have a great match
(36:00):
with anyone. It doesn't matter if you're big, it doesn't
matter if you're small, it doesn't matter if it's a
four way. He's he's got he's got great promos. And
you know the best thing about Oba Femi, honestly is
he's one of those guys where like I saw a
video of him out of character and that's not his voice,
(36:22):
and I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
What so that Oba Femi?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
That that's he's playing a character and it is incredibly believable.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
He is from Nigeria, sure.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But he really he really plays up the accident and
such and and it works, dude. And then you know, Javon,
I know he's twenty one. They won't give him a
push for nine years, but like that guy. I mean,
he should have been the youngest NXT champion. He is
a very special talent and he's like the crowd absolutely
(36:56):
loves this guy. You just give him a little and
they go wild, so like if they gave him a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
I mean, he's is just a man.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
They got some awesome dudes coming up from from developmental year.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
We're almost back to the days of the murderer's row
of the early African American professional wrestlers, which I learned
about in a great book by Ian Douglas, A decided novelty.
I finished it this weekend. I learned so much information.
I would put it up there with the Carl Stern
(37:34):
Omnibus book. It's somewhat in that mold, not as fact heavy.
Ian Douglas does a great job of weaving in, you know,
the history with his writing style, and man, I learned
a ton from this book, so if you can check
it out on Amazon, A decided novelty. But it did
make me think of, you know, some of the past
(37:55):
errors that we've had with great, great Black or African
American wrestlers, and right now I really think Obafemi is
like the one that should be at the top of
the heap.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I don't know, man, I mean Oban Oban Trick, like
I get it. Javon's young. You know they're gonna they're
gonna wait. But like Trick is great, he is so
charismatic and he's he's far like you know, it's either one,
because I go Oba Femmi is a better he has
better matches. I would say he's a better worker. Javon
(38:28):
is is of the two more charismatic. But it's not
like Javon or it's not like Trick is a bad worker.
And it's not like Oba isn't charismatic. So like both
of them, you could go, you could go all the.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Way and uh yeah, I hope they do.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
We should also.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Mentioned a couple of things coming out of of of
a W So the UH post show press conference. Tony
Kahn has now announced he's he's now Dario Kuaita and
Lucia underground good. The money in the bank contract that
they have you cannot cash in at any time. You
must give a week's notice so that he can properly promote.
(39:11):
And you know a couple of people here were like, well,
you know, why even have the cash in deal? Why
not you say the winner gets a title shot, because
when you win a title shot, the promoter decides when
that title shot is going to be. This is all
in storyline, like, Okay, you won, Well you're gonna get
your shot at all out, or you're gonna get your
shot at whatever. This would mean. Hey, bro, if you
(39:31):
want your shot on TV next week, you call it.
You don't have to wait for a pay per view. Hey,
the pay per view is coming in your hometown in
three months. You can call the shot there. So in storyline,
it's better to be able to choose the time and
place than to have.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
The promoter do it for you. And he did mention that.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Although, hey, if they're a good promoter, they're probably gonna
do it right. Like who made the decision to have
Lolavice challenge down near her hometown? Was it Ava? Was it?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Her? Was Lola?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
It might have been It's probably Ava, probably Lola's idea,
but Ava took credit.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Look at that how it normally works here.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
But Hangman beat MJF in the championship match, which was
in the ring. It was the best match on the show,
but it had a really weird like ref bump thing
that just like it sucked and it was so bad.
I think that there was another idea that like something
went wrong or somebody missed a cue or a camera
missed something or whatever. But hey, MGF still has the
(40:33):
contract in his back pocket, so he can either call
his shot, which I think is actually what's going to happen.
I had been advocating for Tony Kahan to force MGF
to put it on the line against Mark Brisco, But
since Tony did that press conference and made no mention
of that, but did change how you can cash in,
(40:55):
that sounds to.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Me like, well, that's what it's gonna be. I guess.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I guess he could s something on Wednesday, but I
don't think Mark Briusco is getting a shot at that contract.
And then two other major notes after the cage match,
I mean, they pretty much told you this was Will
Ospray's last match for a while, and they did a
video before the match pretty much telling you it was
his last match for a while. And then he did
(41:21):
a curtain call pretty much telling you it was his
last match for a while. But they still made sure
to kill him in storyline. The Heels beat him down,
they pilmanized him, he was taken out on a stretcher.
He's getting neck surgery and he's gonna be gone for
a while. And I don't know if Swerve is getting
knee surgery, but he's got it torn meniscus and they
(41:42):
did an injury angle afterwards that very much seemed like
he's gonna be out of action with knee surgery.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
But I guess we'll see.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Luckily, out of all the surgeries, I think the meniscus
is probably the one that heals like the fastest, definitely,
certainly more than an ACL or or PCL or any
of the other things. Because I know I've had a
minister's scope in the past. I think you have too, Brian, Right, No,
I haven't no, oh.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
A surgeon to call me. It's been almost a year.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Hey, you might have to come down here. I can
hook you up. Bro.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
At this point, it's about ninety nine percent, Like, I
don't know. I'll probably get it done someday. But I mean,
the only time I ever have a problem is sometimes
I'll be rolling and I'll turn my foot a certain
way and it'll be like weird, and then I have
to stop and like bend it and it goes back
and then I'm fine. But like I have no problems,
Like I can run, jump, sprint, walk, play with the kids.
(42:41):
I have no problems whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Would you be able to jump high enough to give
me a high five?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I couldn't do that before I tore my meniscus because
you're freakily long arms it.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Thanks for taking the bait.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You're an idiot, absolute idiot. I got a scoop for everybody,
kind of Apparently mbop wasn't that expensive. I know that's
hard to believe, but apparently Hanson let it go cheap.
So I'm hoping that'll be like their new music for
the Young Bucks, because that was their music back in
the day.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
And I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I've been waiting in decades, almost as long as I
waited for uh Basic Thugonomics to return for John Cena.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
I've been waiting for mbop to return.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And almost as long as you waited for the Golden
Eagle to come back.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
The winged Eagle is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Wing it the golden Eagles like kobeeb nor maca metof
or something.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I think, so yeah, And then everything else on the show,
I mean, the only other thing people are talking about
is obviously the hurt syndicate not doing the job. But
I mean, do we need to spend time on that.
I think we all knew that was gonna happen, right.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
What happened at the finish of that match?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
What happened at the finish?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, like Dak's like kicked out.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Well, I know, I don't think he kicked out. Listen,
I haven't heard anybody tell me what happened. But the
belief is that because Brodido's finish kind of looked ugly,
I think maybe the ref counted and then like Bendido
kind of got off and he was gonna do something
else because the finish looked bad, and then the ref
was like, no, just I'm gonna count. It was weird
(44:20):
one way or the other. But Brodido are the new champions.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
So good stuff.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
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Speaker 1 (44:40):
You know, we had so much going on today, Tom
that one of the very important things to discuss never
got discussed, which is how are you feeling? I see
you're sitting down.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Well, yeah, I just got out of I had pt
earlier this morning, so I feel a little bit better
after moving around, you know, but uh still, you know,
some swelling, some pain, but hopefully that's all stuff that's
to be expected. And uh from here it's onwards and
upwards and then outwards.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Excellent. So you're here Wednesday, I shall be.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
That is my plan. I'm back.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Good to hear brother, Well.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Wednesday missed one day.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
One.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Maybe on Wednesday we can talk about the return of Speed.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Oh please please thank you for saving that till the end,
because if you would have gotten into this earlier, I'm
not sure my heart could have handled the discussion about
my beloved Speed coming back. Although they didn't mention if
the men's titles coming with it, they did say.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, I think I think the Speed titled. I think
they said the Speed titles.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Ah, so uh yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Got we should talk about that because I got questions.
But anyway, we got to wrap it up, everybody. I'll
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Dave and I were up last night talking a lot
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And you know that means we got news about WWE counterprogramming.
That's right, but they are not counterprogramming. Aw, they're actually
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There a lot of shows this weekend, including Forbidden Door
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is what happened with Rajah Jackson, the son of Rampage
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Speaker 1 (06:09):
Back here on the show, I realize it's horrible that
I just opened up this show laughing. But Tom sent
me to his Twitter to see what was something that
was not funny at all, which we're gonna get into
in a moment. But as I was about to hit record,
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grand Knockout of the Night bonus and UFC on fuel three.
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Wow, what a way to put you over you're broke.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, the reason why that even happened is there was
recently a fighter, Charles ener G Johnson, who, by the way,
great nickname and even better haircut one A. He was
an underdog, I believe this past weekend and won a
big fight, got a bonus, and it was revealed that
he was in the red in his bank account, and
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I was like, wait a minute, that actually happened to
me in the past too, where I was in the red.
I had to borrow money from one of my friends,
Dan Fern, and.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
Did he work for NXT.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
No, okay, this is like a computer security guy.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
I just heard the name Dan Fern.
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I use an alias, ok. But anyways, I paid him
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fella is doing.
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Well, you know you've kept at it, so congratulations. All right,
we got to talk about a really serious situation. I
don't want to joke about anything. So before we get
into all of the updates today, in case some of
you don't know what happened, there was a Knox Pro
Wrestling show over the weekend, and to try to cut
(08:01):
it down to like just the basics, Rajah Jackson, who's
the son of Quentin Rampage Jackson. He went to the
show with his video camera and he's got like a
live stream that he does on.
Speaker 5 (08:19):
Kick.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's like the new one Kick, So he's like streaming
on Kick. And before the show, he's in the back
and all the wrestlers are hanging out and one of
the wrestlers, Psycho Stu, goes up to him and he
sees the camera and he presumes that Rajah Jackson is
(08:41):
one of the workers, which he is not. He was
just there at the show, and so they kind of
do a little back and forth and Psycho asked him,
you know who I am? And Roger's like, I don't
know who you are. And Psycho thinks he's kind of
messing with him because he thinks he's a worker. And
so he's drinking a beer and he takes a beer
can and he does like a a he crushes half
the beer can on his on his head, and you know,
(09:04):
Rajah Jackson later even he was like it didn't hurt,
but he was mad because he didn't know why this
guy hit him with a beer can. So he gets
hot and all the other wrestlers kind of gather around
and they're they're they start explaining to Stu, you know,
this guy's he's not a worker, he's just here. And
you know Raja's he's he's mad, and so they're trying
(09:25):
to calm him down, and they're going, he thought you
were a worker. He was just you know, we all
mess around, we all and so Stu offers a handshake
and Raja wants none of his handshake, and Stu apologizes.
He says, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
You know.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
He offers a handshake. Rojer wants none of it. So
the one of the co owners of Knox It's Rakishi's promotion, Reno, says,
you know what, let's do a spot tonight in the match.
You can get involved in the match. He doesn't say
anything about what he he just says, let's let's get together.
Speaker 5 (10:02):
And work out a spot. Okay.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
So then this other guy, aj Mana, he basically says,
you get in there tonight and you can get your
receipt on this guy. And as soon as as Raja
hears I'm gonna get my receipt on this guy, I'm
gonna get to hit him back. And then he's like, oh,
let's shake hands, and he's all, you know, he's supposedly
cool with this. So you know, he's filming this, this
(10:29):
whole thing. This is not like she said, he said,
she said, He's filming this whole thing. It's on the internet,
like as of last night. It may not be there
now for legal reasons, but as of last night it
was still there. You can go up and watch it.
So for the next two hours, Raja is filming himself
as he goes to sit down at the show, as
(10:49):
he walks around backstage, as he as he literally explains
into the camera, I'm gonna hit this guy for real,
and he starts, he starts going on kick and everybody
on Kick is telling him like, you can't stand for that.
You got to stand up for yourself. And so over
the next hour he's getting more and more hot. He
just keeps reading this chat and you know he's he's
(11:11):
over and over again you know, talking about I'm gonna
hurt this guy. I'm not gonna hurt him too bad,
he says. But it's not gonna be scripted when I
get in there. And so eventually, you know, the match
is taking place. He's sitting at ringside and he ends
up he ends up flying into the ring. He grabs
this guy who doesn't fight like the guy thinks it's
(11:33):
just gonna be some spot stew and he picks this
dude up and he does like the MMA slam.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
It was like the booker t oh my god, where's
it the slam that he would do. It's like an
over the shoulder spine bluster.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yeah, and he slams this guy and this guy looks
like he's out immediately. I don't know if he's selling,
but he looks like he's out. And then Raja jumps
on this guy and he punches him as hard as
he can, full force in the face.
Speaker 5 (12:00):
Twenty one times.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Now as this is happening, and I listen, let me
let me say this, Let me just say something, hold on,
hold on, because I'm gonna I will.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
I will say what you're expecting. But I want to say.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
This first, initially, last night. I was somewhat defensive of
the other wrestlers in the ring because we're all watching
the footage. We know what happened, we know what to expect.
Nobody in there did. Okay, there was one guy who
(12:35):
within about three seconds, he tries to break this thing up.
It doesn't work, and finally all of the other guys
get in and they drag him off after twenty one punches,
and I was I was sympathetic because none of them
had the benefit of knowing what was gonna happen. I
don't know if anyone even knew the guy was gonna
run in. A lot of them were probably in shock. However,
(12:59):
you posted a video on your Twitter today.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I'm sending you the full two minutes that I have
right now.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
That I was completely unaware of last night. So as
he is being pulled off and like half of the
wrestlers have bowled him into the corner to get him
off the guy.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
One guy is throwing shoulder tackles, one guy hit him
with like a fake bag like that. The restraint on
Rajah Jackson left a lot to be decided. There was
one gentleman the epic who I will give credit to.
He was outside the ring, and he's the one that
ran in and at least restrained Rajah. He was throwing
(13:42):
head butts at him. That he was the only one
that I would give any credit.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
That guy is a hero. Okay, that guy's a hero.
Now the I am absolutely appalled, aghast a disgusted dude.
Speaker 5 (13:55):
As there we.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Only saw in the light in the in the video
that Rajah put up, we only saw him being bowled
into the like he's being he's in the corner, he's
being restrained or whatever. That's what we saw. We didn't
see what's happening in the ring. I presumed like everybody
was bulling him into the corner. You have an angle
whereas he is laying there with blood pouring out of
(14:19):
his head, in his ears, choking air, his teeth in
his blood. Someone covers him and the ref counts the pin.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Disgusting what.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Somebody covered him and the ref counted the pin. Yes,
the ref counted the pin. The video is up on
Tom's Twitter.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Timmy Handsome is the ring name of the man who
pinned Psycho.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
STU mean, go after Rajah.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
This is your first reaction is to pin the guy
whose call was this was it his call. Did somebody
tell them get on top of him and pin them?
End it? What is going on here? And people are
going ah, people are arguing with me saying I don't
know the unwritten rules of wrestling. The show must go on. Listen, buddy,
what about the rules of life? Okay, there's no hold
(15:26):
on before you go, before you go into the rules
of life?
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Who is telling you, like, listen, hey, if you want
to tell me, okay, like, hey, I was a pro wrestler,
but you're a pro wrestler and a UFC fighter. So
who's telling you that you don't understand the rules of
either business? Stand by Observer Life.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
You were listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian Alvarez
and Mike simperviv on the Sports Bylineting Network.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
Right, I'm gonna let you go off.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Don't swear, but I want to say one thing before
we go any further. And that is as appalled as
I was with that spot where the guy covered in
the referee counted the pin. I do think that we
need to remember what happened and who did what. You
(16:25):
know what I'm saying, like, you can get mad at
those guys all you want okay, but there's one guy
who hit the ring and like did what he did,
and that's that's Rajah Jackson.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Now go ahead.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, And by the same token, I've had a lot
of people because I watched a portion of that hour
forty five minute video that Roger Jackson had up or
whatever it was, as I did, and I mean, he
was disrespectful from the very beginning when he showed up
kind of towards the whole event, I don't have tickets,
blah blah, blah blah. He's trash talking his butty, which
(17:00):
is you know, that's one thing, but then you know,
talking about how he's gonna hit him for real. I mean,
the entire thing is awful. But we had aj Mana,
who I think is the one that brought him in,
that brought Rajah Jackson to the show, a self proclaimed
MMA fighter, stuntman actor, obviously a professional wrestler, here telling
(17:23):
Rajah Jackson to get his receipt. You know what a
receipt is, get a receipt, tag him. You know what,
if they don't like it, I'll come out there. So
he's already hyping him up, as you said on kick
These twelve and fifteen year old kids are egging Amon
to go fight, and he gets in the ring. He
(17:45):
does that, and people are Any sort of vindication that
people have for him, any sort of like backing, should
be out the window. This man is an adult. He's
twenty five years old. If Brian told me to go
shoot on somebody that at the Christmas party, that doesn't
(18:05):
give me carte blanche to do it. There's still repercussions
that you have to face. And when I look at it,
I've got to imagine this guy has never faced any repercussions.
There's a video of Rampage Jackson just days ago on
kick saying, you know what, I saved up money for
my Asian kids to go to college, and I saved
(18:26):
up money to bail Rajah Jackson out right, Yes, I
mean we have it right there.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
This was before anything, before anything.
Speaker 4 (18:36):
Rampage Jackson afterwards makes a statement saying Psycho Stu's okay,
which apparently I don't know where he got that information,
because that does not seem to be the case. What
I understand. He was in critical care according to his brother,
and one of the biggest, one of the biggest concerns
that Rampage Jackson has and all of his videos which
(18:57):
you see over and over and over and over again.
And hey, I'm a parent, I don't know how I
would react if my son did something like this. I
would be concerned for him, for sure. But he keeps
asking is he gonna get kicked off off Kick? Is
he gonna lose his account? Is he gonna get banned
from Kick? Very little care for what happened to Psycho Stu. Now,
(19:20):
Psycho Stu, I mean, I don't condone walking up to
somebody and who's unprepared, you don't know, and whacking him
in the head with a beer can or whatever it was,
a soda can. Now clearly he was doing it in
a worked manner. He thought that Raj Jackson was in
(19:41):
on it. But this also, I mean, it's just a
perfect storm of events that led to this. And then
Raj Jackson leaves the guy who is dressed like a
clown and a baseball outfit who was tackling him and
throwing shoulder blocks in the corner. That guy gives chase
to him, go after him, and then cuts a promo
(20:02):
on him, cuts a promo on Rampage Jackson in front
of the fans. That was, you know, one of his
first actions not to go care for psychostu, not to
go calm things down in the locker room and help there.
Just a miss on so many levels. This was mishandled
so so badly across the board. One of the worst
(20:24):
things I have ever seen in professional wrestling or MMA
for that matter. You know this, this man is supposed
to be a trained fighter, he's owned one as a professional,
but he brandishes himself as an MMA fighter. We we.
Speaker 5 (20:44):
Like it, as I mean, all the faults.
Speaker 4 (20:45):
We see a fighters, we don't see this very often.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
You mentioned this whole situation was mishandled, and you're correct,
but like I want to, I want to point out
that like you almost can't even say mishandled because there's
nothing handled about it. Like I don't think of that
entire stream there was like anybody.
Speaker 5 (21:05):
That told anybody what was gonna happen, Like I.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Don't remember anybody him having any conversations about this is
the spot that we're gonna do or whatever, Like he
literally was just told go in and get your receipt.
And you know, again, I'm still appalled by the cover
and the pin.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
And everything like that.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
But I mean, I don't have any indication that anybody
in the ring knew what was gonna happen. I mean,
this dude, they who knows what anybody thought? There was
no like, hey, no one thought this is what we're
gonna do. This guy's gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
You guys do that, you know? Make sure.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'm not even sure those guys were told. He said,
I'm just gonna keep hitting him till I get pulled off.
I don't remember seeing any indication that the other guys
were told to pull the guy off.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
It was like it was like the Wild West.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Hey, you know what, We're gonna have a match, just
like you hit the ring and get your receipt and
then like, you know whatever. It's like, where was I
don't know, man, this whole thing right now Psychos. According
to his brother Andrew Smith, says that he is in
stable but critical care. So one of the wrestlers in
(22:13):
an interview I think with like USA today, I've got
it here somewhere, but he basically said that Stu was
on his way home. Mallow it's his first name.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Where is it here?
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Douglas Molow, one of the wrestlers who attended to intervene.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
Hold on, hold on, Brian Bryan because because this is
kind of off topic. When this happens, Roger Jackson gets
a call, He gets a call from somebody at the
show who says, man, you should have done that, you
should have gone that far. He's in the ring flatlining
and do you remember what Rogar Jackson said.
Speaker 5 (22:52):
My bad, I got a call.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
Uh, I'll call you back. What.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Yeah, So, according to Well, Douglas Mallow had told USA
Today that Smith was awake talking on Sunday, broken bones
in his face, lost a lot of teeth, but then
he went on read it and said he's going home.
And then it was several hours later that Stu's brother
(23:21):
posted on Facebook and said good morning, thank you for
the outpouring of support. Stuart is conscious, does have some
recollection of events from the day of the attack, but
said that he was.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
In critical care.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Now critical care, I mean that's the er and they're
watching you like every moment to make sure you stay alive.
So it's a serious, serious situation. And you know, yesterday
Dave and I were talking about this and he said
that Knox Pro wasn't an ID school, but they'd had
ID talent. No, it wasn't ID school. It is now
(23:57):
not an ID school. The the ID membership or whatever
has been pulled. I don't know what else is gonna happen,
but they're not an ID school now. And I mean
you asked the question during the break, which was a
good question. How are ID schools chosen? What does the
(24:18):
vetting process? The vetting process appeared to be that Rakishi
owned it. Other than that, I don't know what it was,
you know, but if you watch the video, it's like,
you know, the wrestlers are changing outside. There seems to
be very little communication about what's going on on the show.
(24:38):
This whole thing happened. It's like, I don't know, man,
I don't know being investigated by the LAPD and what
that means. Who knows. But I mean, here's a thing.
If nothing happens, I don't know what to say about
the LAPD because all of this is on film, every
(25:02):
last second of it. Rampage. When he was doing his deal,
he tried to claim that, well, you know, the guy
hit him with a beer can and he was mad,
and then this thing happened and tempers.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
That's not what happened.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
The beer can incident was followed by a handshake where
Roger claimed that he was he was cool now. But
then that was followed by two hours of him filming
himself getting more and more agitated, flat out saying what
he was going to go in and do. I mean,
(25:37):
this was not like spur of the moment. I mean,
he had two hours to think about it, and he
only got more angry in that two hours.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
Rampage also mentioned that Roger Jackson recently had a brain
injury from sparring, and that maybe the can shot to
the head was part of the issue. But the multiple
times are Roger Jackson says that didn't hurt it all, no.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Problem, and and I mean and bright. We also have
two hours of him seeming to be I mean, he's angry,
but he doesn't seem like he's you know, he's just
he seems quite angry. And he gets more and more
angry the more he goes on kick the more he
listens to that chat.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
And you said, what what is the LAPD gonna do? Right?
What is the lap get LAPD gonna do? Probably the
same thing that the Orange County Police Department did at
the end of the day with Rampage Jackson when he
went on that hit and run in two thousand and eight.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
This brushing under the rug, Well this guy does say,
have no faith in the lapd Brian, Well, all I
know is they've got plenty of evidence. I mean, the
entire thing from start to finish was all filmed and
it's out there everywhere. So this person here that says
(26:57):
the schools are Booker t School, Cody School, Seth Rowland's school.
It was Rakishi's school, and Elite Pro Wrestling, so doesn't
appear there is a vetting process under then a w
w E star owns a school. So all right back
in the moth with more everybody observe alive.
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Speaker 1 (30:56):
Okay, well, I don't know what more there is to
say about this particular story, but all the best to
Psycho ste. Hopefully we keep getting positive reports. His brother
saying he's conscious and some recollection is definitely positive compared
(31:18):
to the first.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Facebook post that he posted, so hopefully.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
Yeah. And you know what, also, Brian, I'd like to say,
I hope whatever the issue is with Rajah Jackson can
get handled too. If this guy needs some medical and
psychological evaluation, you know, in order to help him, let's
go down that road. Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5 (31:43):
This whole thing is just a disaster.
Speaker 1 (31:48):
All right, Well, what did you watch this weekend?
Speaker 5 (31:52):
How's that?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
For a second? Just start naming stuff because I can't.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
I mean, there was a lot of good stuff.
Speaker 4 (31:56):
I think I watched most of it. There's a few
matches I missed, like I missed the woman's title change
on NXT. It just so happened like I was watching
on one TV at one speed and then you know,
at a different I had it live and another and
I kind of missed that match and some of the
Forbidden Door pay per view I missed, but I saw
(32:17):
the majority of what happened this weekend no collision. I
watched the UFC as well, two nights of it, along
with the Kurt Darelli Oil Wrestling Tournament, which and once
again won by Orhan Oklou. I could just put that
on repeat, but.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
Well, listen if you these are the matches I gave
four stars or more too if you care about star ratings.
Kyle Fletcher and Horomu I thought was pretty fantastic. Missed it,
Zach Saber Junior and Nigel McGinnis. I didn't quite give four,
but I gave it three and three quarter and it
was pretty freaking great as well, so you should check
that out. Same with o'cotton Swerve. I gave it just
(32:57):
under four. Same with Ton and Athena just under four.
Hangman in MJF I gave. I gave more than four,
and the main event cage match so a lot of
matches if you want, like really good wrestling that would
be unforbidden door And honestly, like if you're talking about
the the NXT show, I thought it was on the Weekend.
(33:20):
Jordan Grace and Blake Monroe I would say was three
and three quarter very close to four star match.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I mean they did a great job.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
I feel like in a different setting. It was just
it just for some reason that fell out of place.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Well, the best match on the show by far was
Obafemi and Javon Evans, which was pretty much as good
as anything on the AW show. That match was frickin' great.
If you're surprised that Javon Evans didn't win the title,
I don't know what to tell you.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
He got murdered, but in a way that in the
long run you want to see him come back and
actually avenge this loss. He didn't go out looking like
a geek.
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No, I will say they they did.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
They did give him a lot. I mean this was
as far as like he didn't win, but as far as, like,
you know, giving him a lot in a match and
making him look like he actually could have become champion.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
This was better than.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Most Yvonne matches, because you know, usually he'll look great
against a geek, but then they'll put him in with
a main event guy and like he'll get some spots,
but you know, they want you to know that he's
not at that level yet. This one, they they really
gave him a lot and he looked great as he
always does, and it was an excellent match and you
(34:40):
should go out of your way to see it.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
This Oba Femi, good lord, he's awesome, He's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Javan should have beat him for no other reason than
he should be on the main roster.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Yeah, he should be like what TKO wanted Francis Naganu
to be, you know what I mean, the star for Africa.
He is just off the charts great as a big man.
He works well with every style of wrestler that I've
seen so far. I mean, I don't know how much
higher I could be on this guy.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Well, you know a lot of people talk and this
is true, like on the WE main roster as far
as like black male wrestlers, I mean there's I don't
think there's anybody really getting a push.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
And uh, I will just say that if.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
They bring up Trick Williams, Obafemi and Javaon and none
of those three guys get a push, then something's up, dude.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
But like next year, two years.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
From now, at this time, I mean, we should have
three black male wrestlers as like regular main eventors. Because Trick,
he's not the best wrestler in the world, although he's improved,
but my god, this guy has more charisma than almost anybody.
Oba Femei is like he can have a great match
(36:00):
with anyone. It doesn't matter if you're big, it doesn't
matter if you're small, it doesn't matter if it's a
four way. He's he's got he's got great promos. And
you know the best thing about Oba Femi, honestly is
he's one of those guys where like I saw a
video of him out of character and that's not his voice,
(36:22):
and I was like, what.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
What so that Oba Femi?
Speaker 1 (36:28):
That that's he's playing a character and it is incredibly believable.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
He is from Nigeria, sure.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
But he really he really plays up the accident and
such and and it works, dude. And then you know, Javon,
I know he's twenty one. They won't give him a
push for nine years, but like that guy. I mean,
he should have been the youngest NXT champion. He is
a very special talent and he's like the crowd absolutely
(36:56):
loves this guy. You just give him a little and
they go wild, so like if they gave him a lot.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
I mean, he's is just a man.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
They got some awesome dudes coming up from from developmental year.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
We're almost back to the days of the murderer's row
of the early African American professional wrestlers, which I learned
about in a great book by Ian Douglas, A decided novelty.
I finished it this weekend. I learned so much information.
I would put it up there with the Carl Stern
(37:34):
Omnibus book. It's somewhat in that mold, not as fact heavy.
Ian Douglas does a great job of weaving in, you know,
the history with his writing style, and man, I learned
a ton from this book, so if you can check
it out on Amazon, A decided novelty. But it did
make me think of, you know, some of the past
(37:55):
errors that we've had with great, great Black or African
American wrestlers, and right now I really think Obafemi is
like the one that should be at the top of
the heap.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I don't know, man, I mean Oban Oban Trick, like
I get it. Javon's young. You know they're gonna they're
gonna wait. But like Trick is great, he is so
charismatic and he's he's far like you know, it's either one,
because I go Oba Femmi is a better he has
better matches. I would say he's a better worker. Javon
(38:28):
is is of the two more charismatic. But it's not
like Javon or it's not like Trick is a bad worker.
And it's not like Oba isn't charismatic. So like both
of them, you could go, you could go all the.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
Way and uh yeah, I hope they do.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
We should also.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Mentioned a couple of things coming out of of of
a W So the UH post show press conference. Tony
Kahn has now announced he's he's now Dario Kuaita and
Lucia underground good. The money in the bank contract that
they have you cannot cash in at any time. You
must give a week's notice so that he can properly promote.
(39:11):
And you know a couple of people here were like, well,
you know, why even have the cash in deal? Why
not you say the winner gets a title shot, because
when you win a title shot, the promoter decides when
that title shot is going to be. This is all
in storyline, like, Okay, you won, Well you're gonna get
your shot at all out, or you're gonna get your
shot at whatever. This would mean. Hey, bro, if you
(39:31):
want your shot on TV next week, you call it.
You don't have to wait for a pay per view. Hey,
the pay per view is coming in your hometown in
three months. You can call the shot there. So in storyline,
it's better to be able to choose the time and
place than to have.
Speaker 5 (39:45):
The promoter do it for you. And he did mention that.
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Although, hey, if they're a good promoter, they're probably gonna
do it right. Like who made the decision to have
Lolavice challenge down near her hometown? Was it Ava? Was it?
Speaker 6 (40:01):
Was it?
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Her? Was Lola?
Speaker 1 (40:03):
It might have been It's probably Ava, probably Lola's idea,
but Ava took credit.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Look at that how it normally works here.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
But Hangman beat MJF in the championship match, which was
in the ring. It was the best match on the show,
but it had a really weird like ref bump thing
that just like it sucked and it was so bad.
I think that there was another idea that like something
went wrong or somebody missed a cue or a camera
missed something or whatever. But hey, MGF still has the
(40:33):
contract in his back pocket, so he can either call
his shot, which I think is actually what's going to happen.
I had been advocating for Tony Kahan to force MGF
to put it on the line against Mark Brisco, But
since Tony did that press conference and made no mention
of that, but did change how you can cash in,
(40:55):
that sounds to.
Speaker 5 (40:55):
Me like, well, that's what it's gonna be. I guess.
Speaker 1 (40:59):
I guess he could s something on Wednesday, but I
don't think Mark Briusco is getting a shot at that contract.
And then two other major notes after the cage match,
I mean, they pretty much told you this was Will
Ospray's last match for a while, and they did a
video before the match pretty much telling you it was
his last match for a while. And then he did
(41:21):
a curtain call pretty much telling you it was his
last match for a while. But they still made sure
to kill him in storyline. The Heels beat him down,
they pilmanized him, he was taken out on a stretcher.
He's getting neck surgery and he's gonna be gone for
a while. And I don't know if Swerve is getting
knee surgery, but he's got it torn meniscus and they
(41:42):
did an injury angle afterwards that very much seemed like
he's gonna be out of action with knee surgery.
Speaker 5 (41:48):
But I guess we'll see.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
Luckily, out of all the surgeries, I think the meniscus
is probably the one that heals like the fastest, definitely,
certainly more than an ACL or or PCL or any
of the other things. Because I know I've had a
minister's scope in the past. I think you have too, Brian, Right, No,
I haven't no, oh.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
A surgeon to call me. It's been almost a year.
Speaker 4 (42:13):
Hey, you might have to come down here. I can
hook you up. Bro.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
At this point, it's about ninety nine percent, Like, I
don't know. I'll probably get it done someday. But I mean,
the only time I ever have a problem is sometimes
I'll be rolling and I'll turn my foot a certain
way and it'll be like weird, and then I have
to stop and like bend it and it goes back
and then I'm fine. But like I have no problems,
Like I can run, jump, sprint, walk, play with the kids.
(42:41):
I have no problems whatsoever.
Speaker 4 (42:42):
Would you be able to jump high enough to give
me a high five?
Speaker 1 (42:46):
I couldn't do that before I tore my meniscus because
you're freakily long arms it.
Speaker 4 (42:53):
Thanks for taking the bait.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
You're an idiot, absolute idiot. I got a scoop for everybody,
kind of Apparently mbop wasn't that expensive. I know that's
hard to believe, but apparently Hanson let it go cheap.
So I'm hoping that'll be like their new music for
the Young Bucks, because that was their music back in
the day.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
And I've been waiting.
Speaker 1 (43:15):
I've been waiting in decades, almost as long as I
waited for uh Basic Thugonomics to return for John Cena.
Speaker 5 (43:22):
I've been waiting for mbop to return.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
And almost as long as you waited for the Golden
Eagle to come back.
Speaker 5 (43:30):
The winged Eagle is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (43:33):
Wing it the golden Eagles like kobeeb nor maca metof
or something.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I think, so yeah, And then everything else on the show,
I mean, the only other thing people are talking about
is obviously the hurt syndicate not doing the job. But
I mean, do we need to spend time on that.
I think we all knew that was gonna happen, right.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
What happened at the finish of that match?
Speaker 5 (43:54):
What happened at the finish?
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Yeah, like Dak's like kicked out.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Well, I know, I don't think he kicked out. Listen,
I haven't heard anybody tell me what happened. But the
belief is that because Brodido's finish kind of looked ugly,
I think maybe the ref counted and then like Bendido
kind of got off and he was gonna do something
else because the finish looked bad, and then the ref
was like, no, just I'm gonna count. It was weird
(44:20):
one way or the other. But Brodido are the new champions.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
So good stuff.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
Back in a moment Observer.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Live, you were listening to Wrestling Observer Life with Brian
Albarez and Mike Sempervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
You know, we had so much going on today, Tom
that one of the very important things to discuss never
got discussed, which is how are you feeling? I see
you're sitting down.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
Well, yeah, I just got out of I had pt
earlier this morning, so I feel a little bit better
after moving around, you know, but uh still, you know,
some swelling, some pain, but hopefully that's all stuff that's
to be expected. And uh from here it's onwards and
upwards and then outwards.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Excellent. So you're here Wednesday, I shall be.
Speaker 4 (45:16):
That is my plan. I'm back.
Speaker 5 (45:18):
Good to hear brother, Well.
Speaker 4 (45:19):
Wednesday missed one day.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
One.
Speaker 1 (45:22):
Maybe on Wednesday we can talk about the return of Speed.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Oh please please thank you for saving that till the end,
because if you would have gotten into this earlier, I'm
not sure my heart could have handled the discussion about
my beloved Speed coming back. Although they didn't mention if
the men's titles coming with it, they did say.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
No, I think I think the Speed titled. I think
they said the Speed titles.
Speaker 5 (45:47):
Ah, so uh yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Got we should talk about that because I got questions.
But anyway, we got to wrap it up, everybody. I'll
be back later on tonight. Wrestling Observer video with Dave Meltzer.
Dave and I were up last night talking a lot
of different topics, as well as well as Brian and
Bryan Show. We'll have the show tomorrow talking mid South
with Granny as well. We got a lot of stuff,
so make sure you check all of that out. And
(46:09):
if you're not a subscriber, now's a great time. Wrestling
Observer dot com. We also have nine options on YouTube,
Spotify and Apple Podcasts and Apple Podcasts even as a
free trial, so check it out Wrestling Observer Podcasts. And
that's it, everybody, Thanks for listening. We'll talk to you
next time Wrestling Observer Live. You have been listening to
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