May 11, 2022 • 30 mins
Dolph has been a staple in WWE for years! He's held multiple titles and has been a workhorse day in and day out. I share some stories about his start-up and how his name was almost set up for failure.
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M h. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode.
Happy Wednesday to you all right here on Wrestling with
Freddy and you get story time with Uncle FP. And
today I'm dedicating the entire episode to one man, one
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fine man, one fine American wrestling man who has the
worst name in the history of professional wrestling, now stumping
up for the mic of wrestling with Freddie Freddie Prince
Tune year, the amazing Dolf Ziggler. I was there when
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they rebranded him from Nikki to Dolf, and we're gonna
get into all of that today and everything that he's accomplished.
And I love the dude. So this is gonna be
an ode to the Zigs. So I'm gonna take you
back back, way back to the year two thousand and eight.
I was a young man with far less gray hair.
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I had already been at w w E long enough
that I had I had earned a couple of stripes,
I had, I had made a couple of bones, so
to speak. And they were going to bring this guy
up from f c W, who they once knew as Nikki,
from the Spirit Squad. And the Spirit Squad was just
a group that took a whole bunch of bumps for
whoever the baby face was, and it would make the
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baby face look great because they just beat up like
five guys and and he would take huge bumps like
he would sell crazy and still does to this day,
second to like Mr Perfect as far as his ability
to to sell in that style. Bran Gwertz was gonna
was sitting in front of the entire production meeting. This
is before a Monday night raw and so it's it's
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go Worts, It's Kevin Dunn off on the side, Vincent
between them, and maybe Bruce Pritchard was there. I feel
like there were four people up front and the rest
of us are all in in the by the tables,
all sitting in a group waiting for the meeting to
be over because they were three or four hours long.
Right during during this time period, they talked about the
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debut of this new character and they want to give
him a name. They haven't even come up with the
name yet. There's been no discussion. It's the night he's
gonna debut, and they're just throwing any old name, any
old whatever they put on their their list in those
moments are the names they're thrown out, so no thought,
zero zero thought has been put into this. This was
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the same thing they did to Jake Hagar and I
think he was a character named Jack Swagger and they
were like, well, Jimmy Swagger, that sounded cool, call him
Jack Swagger. And I put my hand. I was like,
that name sucks and we shouldn't do that. And I
was not hurt, nor were my ideas appreciated or wanted.
I'm sure they were worse. I don't remember what they were.
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So Brian, who I love, he throws out the name.
I think he almost wanted to start with Dolf Diggler,
like Dirk Diggler, and it was Dolf Diggler, and my
head almost hit the table. The way he would snap
a pencil in frustration whenever Vince would make him rewrite
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a show the day of a show, because that's always
a good idea to do that. That was my feeling.
I finally experienced the pain that Brian was experiencing, only
it was now because of him. And sometimes the company
would do this, they would rib themselves without even knowing
they're ribbing themselves, and it was always something to me
that that made him struggle with credibility at times, because
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it was I'm sitting there and I'm hearing this name,
Dolf Diggler, and I remember saying this. I said, who's
gonna take that seriously? Who's gonna take that seriously? And
it wasn't. He wasn't gonna be a comedic style wrestler.
He was a serious athlete who could freaking move, and
and he was gonna be billed as a as a heel.
So I'm confused. I say, Yo, we can't do that.
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And I straight up say, we're basically rip ripping off
Boogie Nights with Dirk Diggler, which was a movie Vince
had never seen, and so he didn't even acknowledge that.
But they, okay, we won't do that. And so I
don't know if it was Brian, I don't know if
it was Vince. I don't know who the finals say was.
You'll have to accost them digitally to find out. But
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someone says, well, what about Dolph Ziggler, And again, UM
like that, No, that name sucks. You can't, you cannot
do that. This name sucks. What are your ideas? I
don't know. I'm probably throwing anything out there, John freaking Wayne,
I mean anything, just don't Sean Wayne. How about Sean
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Wayne if you're gonna do Dolf Diggler. So it was
not a long argument. I lost quickly. I guess my
punishment for fighting the good fight was I was assigned
the segment to direct the or produced. They call it
the first I'm we're ever gonna meet this wonderfully named
wrestler superstar Dolph Ziggler. So I get the segment and
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Vince tells me what it's going to be, and he says,
he's just gonna introduce himself. I said, what do you
I'm laughing, I said, what do you What do you mean?
What what does he What do you mean? He's just
gonna introduce himself Every every week, he's just gonna come up.
He's gonna say, hey, Dolf Zickler. It's gonna shake his hand.
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I go, what what are you talking about. We're not
gonna just do that. That's a really short segment. We
won't even get uh you know it's not that's not
worthy to get on television. He goes, honest, he'll always
be interrupting people in conversation, like all right, so human
to have a couple backstage talent, having a conversation. He's
gonna come up, interrupt them, introduce himself, and then walk away.
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And I pitch it like that, which is a pitch
off his pitch, and he laughs as if this as
if my idea was good. It was not good. He goes, yeah, yeah,
that's that's right. So now I'm sitting here, this is
an unsavable segment as far as what I'm capable of doing.
There's nothing I can do to make the name work.
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There's nothing I can do to make the character work
because I'm not giving any freedom with who this man is,
where he came from, what motivates him, all the things
that make you say, the stuff that's gonna make you
a healer of baby face, all the words that you're
going to use in a promo. Because I get the
promo of Hey, Dolph Ziegler, I go up to Nick
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and I kind of lay it out there, and he's
all for it. Man, He's game. He's down for whatever
he's hyped to be on the main roster. He's glad
to be it of the the Niki gimmick from the
Spirit Squad. I'm sure he wasn't stoked on the name either.
We spent as little time speaking about it as possible,
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because I knew I certainly wasn't comfortable with it, and
I didn't want to make him any less comfortable with it,
So I said, look, you know, we gotta just sort
of commit to this and and and and go all in.
And it's one line, so at least you don't have
to worry about forgetting anything right. And he's like, and
he's cool, man, he's game like. He started coming to
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that to the acting workshops right after that, which we'll
get into after this. So the first one we do,
they had a girl and she would come out and
she would sing so poorly that the crowd would start
booing and screaming, please, anyone just shut this woman up.
And then the baby face wrestler would come out and
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slam her to the ground and shut her up, and
the crowd will go, yeah, hell, you saved her hair
drums right, very old school in real life. The girl
can actually sing like she's got pipes, so she has
to make herself sing crappy to to pull this gimmick
off week after week after week for as long as
she was there. And this gimmick worked for her for
for quite some time, so I have her speaking to
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Jamie Noble. To know Jamie Noble for ten minutes is
to love this dude. He was a professional wrestler. He's
an agent now, meaning he helps. He helps choreograph the matches,
he helps place the story within the choreography so that
they're actually they're telling you a story while fighting. And
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when I say that, I mean things like he's working
on the leg. He's he's hitting him with leg kicks
when the wrestlers down, he's stomping on the leg, and
he's his focus is there one because maybe the guy's
got a knee brace on or to his submission hold
is some sort of knee bar or figure four leg
lock or ankle hook. He'll hook something like that where
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the knee is gonna give, so he's softening it up.
And that's the story that they're telling in the rings.
So that's what Jamie would do, and he would try
to sneakily implement little m M A things and successfully
did so when he was there. Even though Vince hated
that stuff. Jamie found like slick ways to get it
in and it always looked great when when Jamie was involved.
But at this point in time. He was a wrestler
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who wasn't gonna get another run, but always gave you
a solid match and was like people respected him. All
the wrestlers respected him, and I could see that instantly,
so he could talk on the mic a bit. If
you knew him from the old days, he came off
as this like crazy tough, like little Man's complex firecracker
from West Virginia. And I had him talking to Jillian.
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I think he was like maybe throwing some game at
her or something like that, and she was singing, and
all of a sudden, here comes Dolf. I have him
basically like in a two shot that's off on the side,
like from a Japanese horror film, basically so that we
can pan off a little bit camera left, which would
be what the actors would see as the right side,
and that's gonna reveal Dolf. And then I'm gonna let
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Dolph's movement bring the camera back to Jamie and Jillian. Right.
I'm doing like everything I can to make this have
some like ounce of quality, Like what what can I do?
I can't write anything here anyway. Dolph leads back into
the two shot, which now becomes a three and it's
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it's their cowboys, which means it's that they're at their waists.
And he just comes up and interrupts him. He says, hey,
Dolph Ziggler, shakes his hand and he walks away, and
and Noble just goes looks at him. I think he
says like, I know who you are or something like
I don't remember. I've been trying to delete this. And
he storms off and we get the segment approved. I
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had to get up, I had to get I had
to get approval for a segment that had two lines.
I had to get approval for a segment that had
to frigging lines. It's not embarrassing, it is infuriating. So
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it gets approved. And the like the backstage producer, the
one who's in charge of wrangling your crew and uh
and getting your tape to the truck. I'm not gonna
throw him under the bus and and put his name
out there, but I say, hey, you got it. You
got the segment. He goes, yeah, we got it. It
never gets to the truck. And I found out later
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that it was on purpose. This guy was like trying
to sand bag me a lot. But it never gets
to the truck. The segment doesn't air, and I'm catching heat,
and I'm told by one of the guys that works
with this, one gentleman in particular, who tried to sand
bag me, he said, no, it's the it's the writer's
job to get the to get the tape to the truck.
I go, that's ridiculous. That is the last responsibility. That
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is the writer's job. That has nothing to do with
the writer's job, and that's your job. What the hell?
And then they kind of blew it off and there
I go, well, it got lost, man, it just got lost, Like,
oh yeah, that's a completely different story. So what the hell? Man,
why am I getting lied to? I don't have time
to just screaming everybody that needs to get screamed at
because the show's over. Vince's yelling at me. I gotta
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get into damn limo and fly to the next city
with him. So I don't even like get my chance
that the equal and opposite reaction. I only get the action,
and it's all on me. It's like throwing a rubber
ball into a wall and has to take all that
energy from the wall that you know hurts the poor
little ball, and instead of getting to reverse that energy
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as you just stuck in the wall, right, and the
wall is Vince's jet and it's not big enough to
get away from him. So I just have to hear
you know, what the hell you ruin? This ruined that.
I'm like, how did? How did I The one person
that can't possibly be the two people that can't possibly
be responsible for this getting ruined is Dolf and me,
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Like what the hell are you talking about? So week
goes by, they miraculously fine the tape and oh oh
they found it the next week and now it's gonna
go in. So they tried to even get me to reshoot.
I was like, no, we have it, just air it,
and uh I was oh so mad. So they air
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it and it's the first time you see Dolph and
he goes in and he does his Dolph zig look thing,
and I remember sitting there going he's dead before his
career even got started, Like that's that's crazy, like this,
you can't do business like this. So flash forward now
a couple of months. He's done the introduction thing over
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and over and over again. He's had a few matches,
and the dude is good, real good. He starts coming
into like the acting workshop because he knew a lot
of the young cats that were in there. He was
he was within that that group, the Muses and all
those guys and Cardonas and all that. He used to
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pull some pretty great pranks on Cardona. But uh so
he starts coming in there and he's doing scenes from
bad Boys to soap Dish, to Clue all the way
to Malice with Alec Baldwin and he does the speech,
the monologue, the promo that was famous in that movie
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where Alec Baldwin is like, I am board certified in
fifty seven of fifty states. When you see that mother
praying to God? Who do you think she's praying to?
And then he ends it with you think I have you?
I don't remember the line exactly, was like you asked
me if I have a God complex? I am God?
And it's so overdramatic, but it's Alec Baldwin. So when
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he commits to it, it works, right. Dahl says, I wanna,
I want to try that that monologue, and he freaking
kills it. He freaking kills it, So I don't know.
Ten years later, I'm way out of the company and
this fool pull that exact promo on Instagram in black
and white, and he's just, I mean, nails it. This
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dude's had it in his hit Sorry for ratting you out,
but he's had it in his head for ten years,
just rolling it around. How many different ways can you
do it? In ten you I don't even know? And
he just killed You could see it on his Instagram
if you probably scroll way down and he just kills it.
And then I start watching the storyline they have for
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him with him and miss where he's gonna straight leave
the business if MS can beat him, and the promos
he's putting out are high level, and I'm sitting there like, dude,
what this guy is killing it? And at this point
he's become one of the more respected wrestlers in the
in the world, Like wrestling magazines had him as like
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a top ten dude at one point, most improved, hottest
wrestler coming up, Like all these magazines had love for him.
And I'm sitting there, you know, ten year is removed
from the company, and there's people out there screaming Dolf Ziggler.
There's people out there with Dolf Ziggler signs with DZ
signs with all these girls out there with hearts and
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d Z, I love you, marry me, take me to
the prom, take me, take me some, take me anywhere. Dolf.
And he got so over with the worst name in
wrestling that the name became special and you just naturally
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call the guy Dolf and it doesn't feel weird and
it doesn't sound weird. I put him as a character
in my supermanga Baseball three baseball game, except I don't
do gimmick infringement, so his name is Zolfdiggler, not Dolf Ziggler,
because we don't rob people's creativity on my xbox. But anyway,
I'm sitting there and I'm like, this man's work, and
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let me tell you something. If you don't watch wrestling,
just YouTube Dolf ziggler greatest matches or Dolf Ziggler's best moments.
This dude's work is so clean, so clean, and he
comes off like a new school Mr Perfect right, which
I feel had to be a huge influence on it,
because he sells, meaning when he takes damage from his opponent,
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he sells very much like I mean, almost identical to
Mr Perfect. Kurt Handick. Rest in peace for those who
don't know everybody listening knows. I know, you know, his
promos caught up to his wrestling, But his wrestling was
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so amazing, and I remember the moment. I remember the
exact moment when he was gonna become World heavyweight champion
because I was freaking in guerrilla when it happened. So
check this out. We get to it was a it
was a Friday Nights or SmackDown was on Thursdays then,
but we all recognized it as as Friday Night SmackDown
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now and we shot it on Tuesdays. It wasn't a
live show, so it was the show no one cared about.
The the child that the parents neglect. The show was.
The scripts weren't even read till the day of the show.
And it's not because the scripts were late. They were.
They got in the same day as Ross. It just
no one cared about it. It was this secondary licensed
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show that was like, well, we can just put it
on this network, we can put it on that network.
We can We'll never move Raw, but we can move
this show anywhere. Whoever is going to give us the
biggest check and they would just do one year licensing deals.
To to the best of my memory, I think that's
what they would do. Maybe it was two years. Yeah,
I think it was two years, and no one cared.
It sucked. It was one of the reasons why when
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I think I said this in another episode when I
came back the second time, Stephanie told me she was
disappointed that I that I left the first time I left,
and that she was getting they were getting ready to
give me SmackDown to run the show. Whether this is
true or not, this is what This is what she said.
And I remember in my head thinking like I would
have quit even sooner, Like, no, who wants that job?
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You don't care about that show. It's like a developmental
place for for people to get over and then you
pluck him and put and put him on the live show.
So it was that's what we were going through. And
I had a lot more time to do my promo
class on Tuesdays than on Mondays because again they just
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didn't care. So I got a lot more time with
the talent, and Ziggler would be in there all the time,
and I'm telling you, man, like he was doing two
person scenes, one person monologues. He was trying stuff that
other people wouldn't try, and he would grow man. He
was growing, but nobody would give him the big promo.
They gave him a mouthpiece. They gave him Vicki Guerreiro,
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and Vicky is a staple and a foundational p for
a lot of Latino fans and fans in general because
of the connection with Eddie, who everybody loved. No matter
who you were, where you were, nobody ever goes minutti
Guero wasn't that good? Like that sentence has never been
uttered outside right now in pure jest. And if I
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ever hear anyone say that, I will ridicule them into oblivion.
So she had a lot of credibility. Chavo then came
with that, and they were sort of the mouthpieces for
dolf in the in the early goings. Every once in
a while he would get to speak a little bit,
maybe on the road and the house shows. He was
getting more opportunities because there's no cameras there and that's
a good place to experiment. But to my knowledge and
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while I was there, it just wasn't. He didn't get
that much to say. So He's gonna wrestle Edge and
I have the next segment after the match. It's like
an in ring thing with with Santina Morella, and I
think Coslaw, who is this big Russian dude who was
like a legit tough guy from Eastern year. I don't
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know if he was Russian, but like Eastern Europe where
you would say things like hey man, hey Coslave, I
bet you broke a lot of arms over there people
owed money and he'd be like, no, come on, don't joke,
don't joke, and you'd be like, oh, oh, oh, shitt
he actually he's actually bussed arms, my man, bro Hey Coslve,
I love you man. Watch this Richard prior tape with me.
I loved Goslve. He was he was great, but he
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lived in real life. So anyway, I had that bit
and it was like a comedy bit because Santino was
it it and he always killed. You didn't have to
write for Santina. We did. But anything he wanted to
change unless Vince said no, he would just change and
crush it and it was always way better. I'm in
there waiting to go and they're doing the big finish
and they probably had a good eighteen minute match something
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like that. Edge gets the wind and he comes backstage.
Ziggles is still selling in the ring, you know, from
the from the spears. Oh god, I got spared. And
Edge comes back in and he looks at Vince and
Vince goes well and Edge goes, yeah, man, that kid
can work. He called him a kid. He goes, yeah,
that kid can work, and Vince goes he's good and
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Edge goes, yeah, man, he's real good. And he walked
out and I was like, holy crap, dude, Like that
was that's a big that's a big, big deal for
a top guy a to just say, yeah, I'll wrestle
his dude on TV. Even though he's gonna get the win,
he's still gotta it's a let's see what you got.
So he's gotta let Dolf get some get some action
on him, right. So a lot of guys wouldn't do it,
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but Edge and and like movies and stuff, he's credited
as I think Adam Copeland. Um is this humongous Canadian
Viking dude. He's like six six, super handsome. He's got
the beard, the Viking beard, the Viking hair. He's not
like a big fat wrestler. He'd be like, I don't
know if Eric the Red was sexy, but if he
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was that's edge, right, So he's not in a position
where he has to do this. He's just a good Canadian,
awesome dude. Gives this match, then puts him over with
the boss, goes backstage. Then I see Dolf and I
think Vicky was with him. They come back and Vince
gives him the thumbs up, which may not sound like much,
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but if you could have seen the look on Dolf's face,
it was you knew that was the world. That was
like getting told a man you're gonna be the starting
first baseman on the Yankees like he had. He had
to know, he had to know, and Freebird probably smartened
him up. Michael Hayes, Uh, he was a former wrestler
and one of my bosses at w w E and
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I love the man and he was always so brutally
honest with the talent and with me too. Man, But
I love that kind of stuff because he just he
had no filter. But he had to have smartened Dolf
up as well to say, hey, you're about to get
a run, which he did. He became the World heavyweight champion.
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And he's not the biggest dude. He's a legit wrestler, though,
I mean, he went to college at Kent State and
he had the most wins in the college's history I
think until just recently, like in the last three years
where they had some phenomen dude that was like a
high level in the n C two A rest and
I don't remember the guy's name, but I feel like
Nick shouted him out, so he he was legit. But
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I'm taller than Nick. He's way more swollen me. But
as far as like bigness, his frame isn't that big, right,
So they put the word the gold belt for those
who don't. They have two belts. They have the raw
one on Monday Night Raw that was like their big one,
and then they had the gold belt with the red
rubies that they were a little more. They gave a
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little more latitude with as far as who who could
wear that belt, I don't know if I'm allowed to
say that, but we just did. It doesn't matter. So
he gets this title, and they gave him the title twice.
He was a two time world heavyweight champion. Check this out.
He won the Intercontinental Championship I think maybe five six
seven times. He won the United States Championship I think twice,
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maybe even three times if you want to count FCW stuff.
He was a tag team champ there. But I'm just
talking about the two main shows, and then just recently
the n x T Champion, which is the w w
e's Tuesday night show where they have a lot of
more of their developmental talent, but every once in a
while they'll bring a veteran guy or girl in to
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help them work and to help give them some veteran
experience instead of just working with other young people who
are still learning and developing their craft, and they sort
of get more of that pedigree, sort of big time
TV experience, which is necessary from the name Dolf Ziggler,
which is just like, all right, you're about to run
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the Hunter meter dash, alright, cool, let me smash you
in the knee with this Louisville slugger, real quick, whack
and go. So he's off to a slow start, right
because they hit him right in the knee and you
have to run or or you never get to run
track again. So everybody lanes one through seven or all
way ahead of him in the first core her and
here comes Dolf Ziggler. Limp it. He's not even limping,
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he's hopping the first quarter it's we'll say it's the
four dred me. So the first hundred he's he's hopping,
he can't even put weight on it. Second hundred he
gets that limp like when your kids hurt but they
still want to play. Third one, he's gaining on him,
and in the fourth one, apparently he's the wolverine and
feels no pain and not only beats all of them,
but laps him and wins the World heavyweight championship two
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times with albatross is around his neck. Only the people
who paid attention in high school literature will remember that reference,
but literally, an albatross an anchor of a lead weight
with a chain like bugs Bunny in the prison yard,
and he became a two time world champion. I have
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so much respect for this dude for all his championships.
Oh and one random side note. You probably see it
on YouTube type in Dolph electrocutes Cardona Swerved. It was
the name of a show they did on their w
w E network when it first debuted from the Jackass producers,
and it's I'm gonna spoil it, but it's no spoiler
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because it's hysterical. I've watched it a million times they
did the electric stool bit and Dolph is pretending to
host a WrestleMania bit the most electrifying moments in WrestleMania history.
Now you have wrestlers who call themselves the most electrifying
sports entertained. That was the rock. So it's a common phrase,
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not one that you would be suspicious of. And so
as the host, Dolph has the clean seat, the one
that's not going to fry your buns, and all the
guests that he brings in that day to talk about
their their favorite electrifying w w E moments, they're on
the hot seat and they're all gonna get zapped. And
he has different people in there, and it's always funny,
and he's he's cracking up and his laugh is just
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it makes you laugh no matter what. And then incomes
Mac Hardona, who was currently the independent wrestling Darling of Universe,
and he's the nicest guy in the world and he
fell for this, and I felt so bad that I
vowed to help him get revenge on your golf. He
sits Matt down and he talks about his most the
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most electrifying moment of wrestling, his zapping, and he looks
at Dolph and he goes, what what and Dolph look,
he goes what what? He goes, did you And Dolph's
like what what are you okay? And he goes, yeah, man,
that's oh that was crazy. And Dolph goes, there's probably
someone in his ears saying try to do it again,
try to do it again. And Dolph goes, all right,
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well are you okay? I wanna try this again? And yeah, okay,
and he puts his hand on the seat. Nothing happens.
He sits down. Okay from the top, Yeah, from the top. Okay. Welcome,
It's Dolph Szigler and we're talking about the most electrifying
moments in WrestleMania here with Matt Cardona. Matt, what do
you got for me? Well, bro, you know it's uh
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probably one of the most god and Dolf is dying.
He's falling off the stool dying, and Matt's looking at
the stool and he's looking at Dolf and because he
got electrocuted, you know, the synapses in his brain are
on fire, and right this is the second time. So
we're you're in my heads go as the viewers like, dude,
how do you not know? Remember the man's been electrocuted twice.
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He's in shock, he's suffered trauma. He sits down a
third time. I will not spoil the third shock for you.
I want you to witness it on YouTube or the
w w E network on Peacock. They don't pay me
to say that, or wherever you want to go view
that video, but please watch it. Hit me up. We're
also guys. We're gonna do an episode coming up that
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uh is asked Freddie and we'll have a hashtag out there,
so follow me on social media. You'll see me blasted
out there, and I'm gonna try to do a whole
episode if we get enough good questions. So make sure
you got some sweet ones and hit me up. There
might be a time period that i've while I was
there that I've forgotten. You might remind me. A cool
story may come out. I will do my best remember
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everyone's name. My p user is gonna help me out
with that. So so yeah, so get ready for that
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episode catch up if you're just now getting with us,
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M h. What's up, everybody. Welcome back to another episode.
Happy Wednesday to you all right here on Wrestling with
Freddy and you get story time with Uncle FP. And
today I'm dedicating the entire episode to one man, one
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fine man, one fine American wrestling man who has the
worst name in the history of professional wrestling, now stumping
up for the mic of wrestling with Freddie Freddie Prince
Tune year, the amazing Dolf Ziggler. I was there when
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they rebranded him from Nikki to Dolf, and we're gonna
get into all of that today and everything that he's accomplished.
And I love the dude. So this is gonna be
an ode to the Zigs. So I'm gonna take you
back back, way back to the year two thousand and eight.
I was a young man with far less gray hair.
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I had already been at w w E long enough
that I had I had earned a couple of stripes,
I had, I had made a couple of bones, so
to speak. And they were going to bring this guy
up from f c W, who they once knew as Nikki,
from the Spirit Squad. And the Spirit Squad was just
a group that took a whole bunch of bumps for
whoever the baby face was, and it would make the
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baby face look great because they just beat up like
five guys and and he would take huge bumps like
he would sell crazy and still does to this day,
second to like Mr Perfect as far as his ability
to to sell in that style. Bran Gwertz was gonna
was sitting in front of the entire production meeting. This
is before a Monday night raw and so it's it's
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go Worts, It's Kevin Dunn off on the side, Vincent
between them, and maybe Bruce Pritchard was there. I feel
like there were four people up front and the rest
of us are all in in the by the tables,
all sitting in a group waiting for the meeting to
be over because they were three or four hours long.
Right during during this time period, they talked about the
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debut of this new character and they want to give
him a name. They haven't even come up with the
name yet. There's been no discussion. It's the night he's
gonna debut, and they're just throwing any old name, any
old whatever they put on their their list in those
moments are the names they're thrown out, so no thought,
zero zero thought has been put into this. This was
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the same thing they did to Jake Hagar and I
think he was a character named Jack Swagger and they
were like, well, Jimmy Swagger, that sounded cool, call him
Jack Swagger. And I put my hand. I was like,
that name sucks and we shouldn't do that. And I
was not hurt, nor were my ideas appreciated or wanted.
I'm sure they were worse. I don't remember what they were.
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So Brian, who I love, he throws out the name.
I think he almost wanted to start with Dolf Diggler,
like Dirk Diggler, and it was Dolf Diggler, and my
head almost hit the table. The way he would snap
a pencil in frustration whenever Vince would make him rewrite
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a show the day of a show, because that's always
a good idea to do that. That was my feeling.
I finally experienced the pain that Brian was experiencing, only
it was now because of him. And sometimes the company
would do this, they would rib themselves without even knowing
they're ribbing themselves, and it was always something to me
that that made him struggle with credibility at times, because
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it was I'm sitting there and I'm hearing this name,
Dolf Diggler, and I remember saying this. I said, who's
gonna take that seriously? Who's gonna take that seriously? And
it wasn't. He wasn't gonna be a comedic style wrestler.
He was a serious athlete who could freaking move, and
and he was gonna be billed as a as a heel.
So I'm confused. I say, Yo, we can't do that.
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And I straight up say, we're basically rip ripping off
Boogie Nights with Dirk Diggler, which was a movie Vince
had never seen, and so he didn't even acknowledge that.
But they, okay, we won't do that. And so I
don't know if it was Brian, I don't know if
it was Vince. I don't know who the finals say was.
You'll have to accost them digitally to find out. But
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someone says, well, what about Dolph Ziggler, And again, UM
like that, No, that name sucks. You can't, you cannot
do that. This name sucks. What are your ideas? I
don't know. I'm probably throwing anything out there, John freaking Wayne,
I mean anything, just don't Sean Wayne. How about Sean
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Wayne if you're gonna do Dolf Diggler. So it was
not a long argument. I lost quickly. I guess my
punishment for fighting the good fight was I was assigned
the segment to direct the or produced. They call it
the first I'm we're ever gonna meet this wonderfully named
wrestler superstar Dolph Ziggler. So I get the segment and
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Vince tells me what it's going to be, and he says,
he's just gonna introduce himself. I said, what do you
I'm laughing, I said, what do you What do you mean?
What what does he What do you mean? He's just
gonna introduce himself Every every week, he's just gonna come up.
He's gonna say, hey, Dolf Zickler. It's gonna shake his hand.
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I go, what what are you talking about. We're not
gonna just do that. That's a really short segment. We
won't even get uh you know it's not that's not
worthy to get on television. He goes, honest, he'll always
be interrupting people in conversation, like all right, so human
to have a couple backstage talent, having a conversation. He's
gonna come up, interrupt them, introduce himself, and then walk away.
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And I pitch it like that, which is a pitch
off his pitch, and he laughs as if this as
if my idea was good. It was not good. He goes, yeah, yeah,
that's that's right. So now I'm sitting here, this is
an unsavable segment as far as what I'm capable of doing.
There's nothing I can do to make the name work.
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There's nothing I can do to make the character work
because I'm not giving any freedom with who this man is,
where he came from, what motivates him, all the things
that make you say, the stuff that's gonna make you
a healer of baby face, all the words that you're
going to use in a promo. Because I get the
promo of Hey, Dolph Ziegler, I go up to Nick
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and I kind of lay it out there, and he's
all for it. Man, He's game. He's down for whatever
he's hyped to be on the main roster. He's glad
to be it of the the Niki gimmick from the
Spirit Squad. I'm sure he wasn't stoked on the name either.
We spent as little time speaking about it as possible,
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because I knew I certainly wasn't comfortable with it, and
I didn't want to make him any less comfortable with it,
So I said, look, you know, we gotta just sort
of commit to this and and and and go all in.
And it's one line, so at least you don't have
to worry about forgetting anything right. And he's like, and
he's cool, man, he's game like. He started coming to
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that to the acting workshops right after that, which we'll
get into after this. So the first one we do,
they had a girl and she would come out and
she would sing so poorly that the crowd would start
booing and screaming, please, anyone just shut this woman up.
And then the baby face wrestler would come out and
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slam her to the ground and shut her up, and
the crowd will go, yeah, hell, you saved her hair
drums right, very old school in real life. The girl
can actually sing like she's got pipes, so she has
to make herself sing crappy to to pull this gimmick
off week after week after week for as long as
she was there. And this gimmick worked for her for
for quite some time, so I have her speaking to
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Jamie Noble. To know Jamie Noble for ten minutes is
to love this dude. He was a professional wrestler. He's
an agent now, meaning he helps. He helps choreograph the matches,
he helps place the story within the choreography so that
they're actually they're telling you a story while fighting. And
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when I say that, I mean things like he's working
on the leg. He's he's hitting him with leg kicks
when the wrestlers down, he's stomping on the leg, and
he's his focus is there one because maybe the guy's
got a knee brace on or to his submission hold
is some sort of knee bar or figure four leg
lock or ankle hook. He'll hook something like that where
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the knee is gonna give, so he's softening it up.
And that's the story that they're telling in the rings.
So that's what Jamie would do, and he would try
to sneakily implement little m M A things and successfully
did so when he was there. Even though Vince hated
that stuff. Jamie found like slick ways to get it
in and it always looked great when when Jamie was involved.
But at this point in time. He was a wrestler
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who wasn't gonna get another run, but always gave you
a solid match and was like people respected him. All
the wrestlers respected him, and I could see that instantly,
so he could talk on the mic a bit. If
you knew him from the old days, he came off
as this like crazy tough, like little Man's complex firecracker
from West Virginia. And I had him talking to Jillian.
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I think he was like maybe throwing some game at
her or something like that, and she was singing, and
all of a sudden, here comes Dolf. I have him
basically like in a two shot that's off on the side,
like from a Japanese horror film, basically so that we
can pan off a little bit camera left, which would
be what the actors would see as the right side,
and that's gonna reveal Dolf. And then I'm gonna let
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Dolph's movement bring the camera back to Jamie and Jillian. Right.
I'm doing like everything I can to make this have
some like ounce of quality, Like what what can I do?
I can't write anything here anyway. Dolph leads back into
the two shot, which now becomes a three and it's
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it's their cowboys, which means it's that they're at their waists.
And he just comes up and interrupts him. He says, hey,
Dolph Ziggler, shakes his hand and he walks away, and
and Noble just goes looks at him. I think he
says like, I know who you are or something like
I don't remember. I've been trying to delete this. And
he storms off and we get the segment approved. I
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had to get up, I had to get I had
to get approval for a segment that had two lines.
I had to get approval for a segment that had
to frigging lines. It's not embarrassing, it is infuriating. So
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it gets approved. And the like the backstage producer, the
one who's in charge of wrangling your crew and uh
and getting your tape to the truck. I'm not gonna
throw him under the bus and and put his name
out there, but I say, hey, you got it. You
got the segment. He goes, yeah, we got it. It
never gets to the truck. And I found out later
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that it was on purpose. This guy was like trying
to sand bag me a lot. But it never gets
to the truck. The segment doesn't air, and I'm catching heat,
and I'm told by one of the guys that works
with this, one gentleman in particular, who tried to sand
bag me, he said, no, it's the it's the writer's
job to get the to get the tape to the truck.
I go, that's ridiculous. That is the last responsibility. That
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is the writer's job. That has nothing to do with
the writer's job, and that's your job. What the hell?
And then they kind of blew it off and there
I go, well, it got lost, man, it just got lost, Like,
oh yeah, that's a completely different story. So what the hell? Man,
why am I getting lied to? I don't have time
to just screaming everybody that needs to get screamed at
because the show's over. Vince's yelling at me. I gotta
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get into damn limo and fly to the next city
with him. So I don't even like get my chance
that the equal and opposite reaction. I only get the action,
and it's all on me. It's like throwing a rubber
ball into a wall and has to take all that
energy from the wall that you know hurts the poor
little ball, and instead of getting to reverse that energy
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as you just stuck in the wall, right, and the
wall is Vince's jet and it's not big enough to
get away from him. So I just have to hear
you know, what the hell you ruin? This ruined that.
I'm like, how did? How did I The one person
that can't possibly be the two people that can't possibly
be responsible for this getting ruined is Dolf and me,
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Like what the hell are you talking about? So week
goes by, they miraculously fine the tape and oh oh
they found it the next week and now it's gonna
go in. So they tried to even get me to reshoot.
I was like, no, we have it, just air it,
and uh I was oh so mad. So they air
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it and it's the first time you see Dolph and
he goes in and he does his Dolph zig look thing,
and I remember sitting there going he's dead before his
career even got started, Like that's that's crazy, like this,
you can't do business like this. So flash forward now
a couple of months. He's done the introduction thing over
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and over and over again. He's had a few matches,
and the dude is good, real good. He starts coming
into like the acting workshop because he knew a lot
of the young cats that were in there. He was
he was within that that group, the Muses and all
those guys and Cardonas and all that. He used to
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pull some pretty great pranks on Cardona. But uh so
he starts coming in there and he's doing scenes from
bad Boys to soap Dish, to Clue all the way
to Malice with Alec Baldwin and he does the speech,
the monologue, the promo that was famous in that movie
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where Alec Baldwin is like, I am board certified in
fifty seven of fifty states. When you see that mother
praying to God? Who do you think she's praying to?
And then he ends it with you think I have you?
I don't remember the line exactly, was like you asked
me if I have a God complex? I am God?
And it's so overdramatic, but it's Alec Baldwin. So when
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he commits to it, it works, right. Dahl says, I wanna,
I want to try that that monologue, and he freaking
kills it. He freaking kills it, So I don't know.
Ten years later, I'm way out of the company and
this fool pull that exact promo on Instagram in black
and white, and he's just, I mean, nails it. This
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dude's had it in his hit Sorry for ratting you out,
but he's had it in his head for ten years,
just rolling it around. How many different ways can you
do it? In ten you I don't even know? And
he just killed You could see it on his Instagram
if you probably scroll way down and he just kills it.
And then I start watching the storyline they have for
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him with him and miss where he's gonna straight leave
the business if MS can beat him, and the promos
he's putting out are high level, and I'm sitting there like, dude,
what this guy is killing it? And at this point
he's become one of the more respected wrestlers in the
in the world, Like wrestling magazines had him as like
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a top ten dude at one point, most improved, hottest
wrestler coming up, Like all these magazines had love for him.
And I'm sitting there, you know, ten year is removed
from the company, and there's people out there screaming Dolf Ziggler.
There's people out there with Dolf Ziggler signs with DZ
signs with all these girls out there with hearts and
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d Z, I love you, marry me, take me to
the prom, take me, take me some, take me anywhere. Dolf.
And he got so over with the worst name in
wrestling that the name became special and you just naturally
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call the guy Dolf and it doesn't feel weird and
it doesn't sound weird. I put him as a character
in my supermanga Baseball three baseball game, except I don't
do gimmick infringement, so his name is Zolfdiggler, not Dolf Ziggler,
because we don't rob people's creativity on my xbox. But anyway,
I'm sitting there and I'm like, this man's work, and
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let me tell you something. If you don't watch wrestling,
just YouTube Dolf ziggler greatest matches or Dolf Ziggler's best moments.
This dude's work is so clean, so clean, and he
comes off like a new school Mr Perfect right, which
I feel had to be a huge influence on it,
because he sells, meaning when he takes damage from his opponent,
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he sells very much like I mean, almost identical to
Mr Perfect. Kurt Handick. Rest in peace for those who
don't know everybody listening knows. I know, you know, his
promos caught up to his wrestling, But his wrestling was
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so amazing, and I remember the moment. I remember the
exact moment when he was gonna become World heavyweight champion
because I was freaking in guerrilla when it happened. So
check this out. We get to it was a it
was a Friday Nights or SmackDown was on Thursdays then,
but we all recognized it as as Friday Night SmackDown
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now and we shot it on Tuesdays. It wasn't a
live show, so it was the show no one cared about.
The the child that the parents neglect. The show was.
The scripts weren't even read till the day of the show.
And it's not because the scripts were late. They were.
They got in the same day as Ross. It just
no one cared about it. It was this secondary licensed
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show that was like, well, we can just put it
on this network, we can put it on that network.
We can We'll never move Raw, but we can move
this show anywhere. Whoever is going to give us the
biggest check and they would just do one year licensing deals.
To to the best of my memory, I think that's
what they would do. Maybe it was two years. Yeah,
I think it was two years, and no one cared.
It sucked. It was one of the reasons why when
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I think I said this in another episode when I
came back the second time, Stephanie told me she was
disappointed that I that I left the first time I left,
and that she was getting they were getting ready to
give me SmackDown to run the show. Whether this is
true or not, this is what This is what she said.
And I remember in my head thinking like I would
have quit even sooner, Like, no, who wants that job?
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You don't care about that show. It's like a developmental
place for for people to get over and then you
pluck him and put and put him on the live show.
So it was that's what we were going through. And
I had a lot more time to do my promo
class on Tuesdays than on Mondays because again they just
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didn't care. So I got a lot more time with
the talent, and Ziggler would be in there all the time,
and I'm telling you, man, like he was doing two
person scenes, one person monologues. He was trying stuff that
other people wouldn't try, and he would grow man. He
was growing, but nobody would give him the big promo.
They gave him a mouthpiece. They gave him Vicki Guerreiro,
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and Vicky is a staple and a foundational p for
a lot of Latino fans and fans in general because
of the connection with Eddie, who everybody loved. No matter
who you were, where you were, nobody ever goes minutti
Guero wasn't that good? Like that sentence has never been
uttered outside right now in pure jest. And if I
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ever hear anyone say that, I will ridicule them into oblivion.
So she had a lot of credibility. Chavo then came
with that, and they were sort of the mouthpieces for
dolf in the in the early goings. Every once in
a while he would get to speak a little bit,
maybe on the road and the house shows. He was
getting more opportunities because there's no cameras there and that's
a good place to experiment. But to my knowledge and
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while I was there, it just wasn't. He didn't get
that much to say. So He's gonna wrestle Edge and
I have the next segment after the match. It's like
an in ring thing with with Santina Morella, and I
think Coslaw, who is this big Russian dude who was
like a legit tough guy from Eastern year. I don't
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know if he was Russian, but like Eastern Europe where
you would say things like hey man, hey Coslave, I
bet you broke a lot of arms over there people
owed money and he'd be like, no, come on, don't joke,
don't joke, and you'd be like, oh, oh, oh, shitt
he actually he's actually bussed arms, my man, bro Hey Coslve,
I love you man. Watch this Richard prior tape with me.
I loved Goslve. He was he was great, but he
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lived in real life. So anyway, I had that bit
and it was like a comedy bit because Santino was
it it and he always killed. You didn't have to
write for Santina. We did. But anything he wanted to
change unless Vince said no, he would just change and
crush it and it was always way better. I'm in
there waiting to go and they're doing the big finish
and they probably had a good eighteen minute match something
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like that. Edge gets the wind and he comes backstage.
Ziggles is still selling in the ring, you know, from
the from the spears. Oh god, I got spared. And
Edge comes back in and he looks at Vince and
Vince goes well and Edge goes, yeah, man, that kid
can work. He called him a kid. He goes, yeah,
that kid can work, and Vince goes he's good and
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Edge goes, yeah, man, he's real good. And he walked
out and I was like, holy crap, dude, Like that
was that's a big that's a big, big deal for
a top guy a to just say, yeah, I'll wrestle
his dude on TV. Even though he's gonna get the win,
he's still gotta it's a let's see what you got.
So he's gotta let Dolf get some get some action
on him, right. So a lot of guys wouldn't do it,
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but Edge and and like movies and stuff, he's credited
as I think Adam Copeland. Um is this humongous Canadian
Viking dude. He's like six six, super handsome. He's got
the beard, the Viking beard, the Viking hair. He's not
like a big fat wrestler. He'd be like, I don't
know if Eric the Red was sexy, but if he
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was that's edge, right, So he's not in a position
where he has to do this. He's just a good Canadian,
awesome dude. Gives this match, then puts him over with
the boss, goes backstage. Then I see Dolf and I
think Vicky was with him. They come back and Vince
gives him the thumbs up, which may not sound like much,
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but if you could have seen the look on Dolf's face,
it was you knew that was the world. That was
like getting told a man you're gonna be the starting
first baseman on the Yankees like he had. He had
to know, he had to know, and Freebird probably smartened
him up. Michael Hayes, Uh, he was a former wrestler
and one of my bosses at w w E and
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I love the man and he was always so brutally
honest with the talent and with me too. Man, But
I love that kind of stuff because he just he
had no filter. But he had to have smartened Dolf
up as well to say, hey, you're about to get
a run, which he did. He became the World heavyweight champion.
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And he's not the biggest dude. He's a legit wrestler, though,
I mean, he went to college at Kent State and
he had the most wins in the college's history I
think until just recently, like in the last three years
where they had some phenomen dude that was like a
high level in the n C two A rest and
I don't remember the guy's name, but I feel like
Nick shouted him out, so he he was legit. But
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I'm taller than Nick. He's way more swollen me. But
as far as like bigness, his frame isn't that big, right,
So they put the word the gold belt for those
who don't. They have two belts. They have the raw
one on Monday Night Raw that was like their big one,
and then they had the gold belt with the red
rubies that they were a little more. They gave a
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little more latitude with as far as who who could
wear that belt, I don't know if I'm allowed to
say that, but we just did. It doesn't matter. So
he gets this title, and they gave him the title twice.
He was a two time world heavyweight champion. Check this out.
He won the Intercontinental Championship I think maybe five six
seven times. He won the United States Championship I think twice,
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maybe even three times if you want to count FCW stuff.
He was a tag team champ there. But I'm just
talking about the two main shows, and then just recently
the n x T Champion, which is the w w
e's Tuesday night show where they have a lot of
more of their developmental talent, but every once in a
while they'll bring a veteran guy or girl in to
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help them work and to help give them some veteran
experience instead of just working with other young people who
are still learning and developing their craft, and they sort
of get more of that pedigree, sort of big time
TV experience, which is necessary from the name Dolf Ziggler,
which is just like, all right, you're about to run
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the Hunter meter dash, alright, cool, let me smash you
in the knee with this Louisville slugger, real quick, whack
and go. So he's off to a slow start, right
because they hit him right in the knee and you
have to run or or you never get to run
track again. So everybody lanes one through seven or all
way ahead of him in the first core her and
here comes Dolf Ziggler. Limp it. He's not even limping,
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he's hopping the first quarter it's we'll say it's the
four dred me. So the first hundred he's he's hopping,
he can't even put weight on it. Second hundred he
gets that limp like when your kids hurt but they
still want to play. Third one, he's gaining on him,
and in the fourth one, apparently he's the wolverine and
feels no pain and not only beats all of them,
but laps him and wins the World heavyweight championship two
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times with albatross is around his neck. Only the people
who paid attention in high school literature will remember that reference,
but literally, an albatross an anchor of a lead weight
with a chain like bugs Bunny in the prison yard,
and he became a two time world champion. I have
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so much respect for this dude for all his championships.
Oh and one random side note. You probably see it
on YouTube type in Dolph electrocutes Cardona Swerved. It was
the name of a show they did on their w
w E network when it first debuted from the Jackass producers,
and it's I'm gonna spoil it, but it's no spoiler
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because it's hysterical. I've watched it a million times they
did the electric stool bit and Dolph is pretending to
host a WrestleMania bit the most electrifying moments in WrestleMania history.
Now you have wrestlers who call themselves the most electrifying
sports entertained. That was the rock. So it's a common phrase,
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not one that you would be suspicious of. And so
as the host, Dolph has the clean seat, the one
that's not going to fry your buns, and all the
guests that he brings in that day to talk about
their their favorite electrifying w w E moments, they're on
the hot seat and they're all gonna get zapped. And
he has different people in there, and it's always funny,
and he's he's cracking up and his laugh is just
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it makes you laugh no matter what. And then incomes
Mac Hardona, who was currently the independent wrestling Darling of Universe,
and he's the nicest guy in the world and he
fell for this, and I felt so bad that I
vowed to help him get revenge on your golf. He
sits Matt down and he talks about his most the
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most electrifying moment of wrestling, his zapping, and he looks
at Dolph and he goes, what what and Dolph look,
he goes what what? He goes, did you And Dolph's
like what what are you okay? And he goes, yeah, man,
that's oh that was crazy. And Dolph goes, there's probably
someone in his ears saying try to do it again,
try to do it again. And Dolph goes, all right,
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well are you okay? I wanna try this again? And yeah, okay,
and he puts his hand on the seat. Nothing happens.
He sits down. Okay from the top, Yeah, from the top. Okay. Welcome,
It's Dolph Szigler and we're talking about the most electrifying
moments in WrestleMania here with Matt Cardona. Matt, what do
you got for me? Well, bro, you know it's uh
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probably one of the most god and Dolf is dying.
He's falling off the stool dying, and Matt's looking at
the stool and he's looking at Dolf and because he
got electrocuted, you know, the synapses in his brain are
on fire, and right this is the second time. So
we're you're in my heads go as the viewers like, dude,
how do you not know? Remember the man's been electrocuted twice.
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He's in shock, he's suffered trauma. He sits down a
third time. I will not spoil the third shock for you.
I want you to witness it on YouTube or the
w w E network on Peacock. They don't pay me
to say that, or wherever you want to go view
that video, but please watch it. Hit me up. We're
also guys. We're gonna do an episode coming up that
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uh is asked Freddie and we'll have a hashtag out there,
so follow me on social media. You'll see me blasted
out there, and I'm gonna try to do a whole
episode if we get enough good questions. So make sure
you got some sweet ones and hit me up. There
might be a time period that i've while I was
there that I've forgotten. You might remind me. A cool
story may come out. I will do my best remember
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everyone's name. My p user is gonna help me out
with that. So so yeah, so get ready for that
episode coming up to I hope you guys like today's
episode catch up if you're just now getting with us,
I have tons with awesome guests. I have tons of
stories for my time there. I hope you guys had
a good time listening. I will see you this Wednesday
and every Wednesday right here on Wrestling with Freddy. See
you next week. This has been a production of I
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