September 24, 2025 • 33 mins
Welcome back to Wrestling with Freddie! This week we dive into AEW's All Out. We break down our predictions, talk about how things actually played out, and share our excitement about the matches. From surprises to standout moments, Jeff and I give you our honest takes and plenty of laughs along the way.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Wrestling
with Freddy. Today it's Wrestling with Friends because mister Jeff
dies with us, and we're going to talk about AEW's
all out, get into our predictions and how they went.
Predictions went much better with the WW stuff. They're easier
to predict. You guys know that. And I talked myself
out of one that I shouldn't have. But we'll get
into that as well. Afternoon pay per views very old school,
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that's what aw did we love that? Competing matches going
up against each other. We kind of hated that but
loved it at the same time. But we got a
little return slash debut. Maybe I don't think it'll be
a debut. It's probably more of a one off with
Beth Phoenix now known as Beth Copeland. We'll get into everything.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Let's start our show.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And now your main event introducing the hosts are Wrestling
with Freddy, check Da and a pretty friends tune.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Mister Jeff, how was your weekend? Signor?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I had a rough, rough week, so I appreciate you
guys letting me take last week off. It was just
would not be good to have me on all teary
eyed and acting and acting weird. So I'm happy to
be back. It was exciting to have so much wrestling
this week. I love whenever it's a ple e weekend,
so that part was great. It was a good wrestling week.
And also for my Seattle Sports it was a good week,
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so in those ways.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was positive. Go Seattle Sports. What did they do?
I don't know, like what happened to the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Astros and then the Huskies won in the Apple Cup
and me wearing this hat makes it kind of blasphemous
that I'm even talking about this, but it was.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
A good Seattle Sports. You wear every baseball hat in
the world. It's like guys that have every wrestler shirt
in the world. Pick your favorite and move on. This
was Toronto. Toronto loves their wrestling. They don't get it
as often as Americans do, so you know, I'm not
crapping on American crowds, but they just you know, we
see it all the time, so we don't get as
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hyped as the towns that don't get it all the time,
at least the major products. Right, So Toronto went bananas
and they opened the show with Toronto's own Edge, Adam
Copeland and Christian Cage formerly known as Christian the Asshole
and the Viking versus FTR, which is Dax Harwood and
Cash Wheeler, and Stokely Hathaway came out. He can't get
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any hoes, so it sucks for Stokely Hathaway. Life's tough
for him right now. But the crowd went bananas for
Adam Copeland, and it's so wild to me, Jeff, I
know the first verse of every wrestler's intro. After that,
I couldn't tell you a single word, not because I
don't care, because I can't understand what they're saying. These
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crowds know every single word, and because they're all yelling
at once, I can't understand it, so I can't learn
the song. Ever. I guess there's lyric videos on YouTube.
I've been told, but I've never seen one of those before.
I don't know how they do this, but they go
so bananas and to see these older hats appreciate that
response and you see the adrenaline like going crazy in
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Copela Door, You're like, dude, don't blow out before the match,
like you know, like he was so hyped, but It
just makes me feel good to see like Randy Orton
get his song sung in Paris, and to see Adam
Copeland get his song sung everywhere he goes. And I
don't I know, you don't always like the crowd involvement,
but I feel like you dig this too. When they're
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singing along and partying.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Right, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I love love, love love that, and it shows that
like the wrestler, that they've got some support when they're
coming down the ramp. Let's do all the fan, let's
do all that. That's that's your time to shine audience.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
There you go, yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Maybe you're confusing that I've criticized when the wrestler's lip
sync their own lyrics. Coming down, like Rio Ripley is
like a girl going, I know all the lyrics to this.
You're like, yeah, yeah, we know, we know. Just come
out and be badass.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
How does she know the words? I don't know the words.
This match was awesome, But the part that kind of
like tickled my heart, Jeff was when Sina had his match.
I think it was against Sammy's Ay, and he was
like shouting out all his bros and wrestling by doing
their moves right, and he did Edge his spear and
he did.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
The like come on, get up, get up a thing.
By the way, you didn't know this was a thing.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Is there a history become a thing? Is there a history?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I don't mean, like, well, I want to honor Stone Cold,
so I will steal the Stone Cold Stunner for this match.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it. I get what you're saying,
but I wouldn't call it stealing. It's like I'm paying
tribute and homage and respect. Probably I just can't think
of it off the top of my head, but I'm
sure it's been done. But the good energy was returned
in full by Edge as he legit did the scena
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you can't see me and the shuffle and brush the
dirt off his shoulder and hit them, which is so
out of character for Edge, but for Adam Copeland at
AEW it feels right and it just made me smile
when I saw it in the match, and you knew
the good guys were gonna win. The good guys had
to win. Shout out to Dax Harwood, who wrestled with
a freaking broken nose. That got smashed a few days before,
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and instead of getting it fixed and all lovely, he's like, Nah,
I'm just gonna leave it broken and wrestle professionally and
get hit in that nose repeatedly every time my face
hits the freaking canvas. So respect to both teams, love
wrestlers that that bleed sweat and cry for their art.
We got a lot of that in that opening match,
and with the tears were Beth Phoenix. Man, this was
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like they sort of did this in WWE, but they
didn't give Beth this moment, and this was kind of
my favorite part of the match. Dude, this is how
you want your wife to go. This is like straight
up Patricia Arkhead and true romance, like taking a beating
for her man and not giving up where the cash is.
There's a moment, Jeff where or Adam Copelan is handcuffed
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to the ropes and Christians all beat up. They FDR
killed him so he's dead and now they're gonna kill
Adam and he's like, go just go, baby, just go,
And like every dude with a wife was like, Yeah,
that's what I would do too. I just take the
beating and tell my wife to go and not watch it,
and his wife literally Beth just goes basically fucked that.
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I'm sorry. She starts trying trying to whip asses and
they're like, now we're not having that, Beth. We're gonna
put you in a pile driver, jump off the top
rope and last year neck too, and she took it
like a freaking champ. It was so awesome. This is
after the match is won and everybody's feeling good and
they're like, yeah, you don't get to feel good anymore, Toronto.
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And then they went and killed They killed Beth too,
so everybody's dead, which means the rivalry is not over,
and I'm really excited because the match was a ton
of fun. What was your favorite part of this match?
Was it the Beth Phoenix part two? Or was it
when she speared stokely?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What was your favorite part of all this?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I definitely liked the part you've already addressed that he
was doing all the you know, the tribute John Cena stuff.
And then John Cena actually posted online photo of Edge
or Adam Copeland in the Ratedar Superstar. He posted a
picture of it as like another, Oh that's cool, I
just keep going back and forth, which I like. Also,
if you want your wife to defend your honor physically,
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Beth Phoenix is definitely the wife you should have. Like
that's like, yeah, not everybody you know, see them punks,
is my wife's gonna come out here and handle things.
And his wife is this tiny, beautiful woman that doesn't
you know, she's not that physically intimidating. But one Copeland,
she's she's known to be a badass. You can break
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her open and she'll still keep wrestling. You know, she'll
wrestle before she gets her ditches.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So I just like the whole match. I thought it
was very, very well done.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I wasn't here to pick who I thought would win,
but I definitely would have picked Adam Copeland.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, this was the easiest pick of the night. Both
Alex and I picked Cope and Cage to win or
Cajun Cope. Sorry sorry Christian Cajun Cope. And that was
my Christian impression. By the way, of course they won. Stokely,
Hathaway still has no hose, and we're gonna start a
gofund me account for him so he can get himself
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some hose, all right, Next match just we're stupid. Next
match is Eddie Kingston versus Big Bill with Brian Keith
uh not the outlaw, the bounty hunter coming out there
to help him whip ass. This was a singles match.
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It was kind of made on not kind of. It
was made on collision with Big Bill beaten asses and saying, Yo,
every I'm the King of New York and everybody's you know,
chanting for your name, Like assholes are chatting for Cmpunk's
name over in the other company when when another wrestler's
out there, I'm going to show you that I'm the
King of New York. And Eddie Kingston's like, are you
out of your fucking mind? I will come out of retirement,
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not retirement, but off injury and bust your ass. That's
exactly what happened, Jeff. He went out there and got
an Eddie got his ass beat for a long time.
But that's kind of his thing, right is like you
can whip my ass, but at the end of the day,
I'm tougher than you. I can take more of what
you can dish out than what you can take when
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I dish it out. If that makes Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, He's very like mankind. Mankind. It's almost like he
was liking the pain a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Like that like it was.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
It's a very ma Sichistic, like, all right, I can
just endure more punishment than you, and I wish more
wrestlers had that reputation or stylings.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You love Darby, and Darby does that like tenfold. It's like, yeah,
you might be able to win my ass, but I'm
gonna always get up.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It makes the other wrestler look good too.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Agreed. This was to me an easy pick to Alex,
it was an easy pick. Maybe for y'all it wasn't
so easy. So you trusted us, and you put some
big money down on mister Eddie Kingston, the Mad King,
because if you did, you won, and you won big.
Now that doesn't apply to this next match. And I'm
a fool, all right. I'm an idiot and a fool
because I picked MJF to win a match that's out
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of his element and a match that was completely in
Mark Briscoe's element. And I even told a story of
how MJF could lose this match, and instead of listening
to that story, I was like, oh, that's just some fiction,
bad booking on my part, and no, it actually would
have friggin worked. And when I look back, I was like, oh, yeah,
that totally makes sense. I should have picked Mark Briscoe
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to win a match that he invented, basic not invented,
but called out, and I didn't, and I lost you
guys money, and I'm sorry. However, if you went with
Alex and I on all these picks on both shows,
you ended up making money because we got more right
than we got wrong. So just remember that, Jeff, tell
the people how you felt. What I thought was going
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to be the bloodiest match of the night. I forgot
that John Moxley was on the card, but this, even
though I kind of love him blood there were some
squeamish moments for me. So I'm gonna let you take over, sir.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I would have lost anybody who was using my picks
a lot of money, which I have a track record
of being right in the middle. I think I don't
think that anybody would say, oh, Jeff loses all of
his picks or Jeff wins all his picks.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I'm very, very in the middle because.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I always just pick who I like best, and there
has never been a time that I would have picked
MJF to lose anything, and so I would have definitely
picked MJF and lost you some money. If you want
to talk about a match that just had pound four
pound great spots, this was.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
This was your match.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And also old Freddy about I don't know a year
ago would have really liked this hardcore match because it
wasn't bloody, and it wasn't as bloody and gooey as
a as a John Moxley match. So this is an
old school hardcore Freddy Prince Junior match, plenty of great spots.
I loved the you know, the the table spots with
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the old tax. We need to get back to that.
I miss those days, you know, tax hurt. Everyone goes ooh.
And then also we don't see a lot of blood
because it's just tax. There's not like it's not like
a bandsaw, which is what we'll be doing in ten
years from now.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
They'll say, oh, the the whoever cuts the other guy's legs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Off is what's gonna hapen Texas table saw match.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
It'll be some crazy nonsense.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So this match was great and it wasn't too it
was it was still it was a great way to
make book a match that was awesome to watch but
not super super gross in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
There were tacks in the back of my man's head. Yeah,
that's cool, and the glittering bro I was that was
the part where I was like, uh, someone pulled those
out right now, Like I could feel them in the
back of my head and it made me uncomfortable. And
you're right, I'm and I'm liking blood again, but sometimes
it gets me bro I like it more in movies
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when I know it's fake. Anyway, I picked MJF, so
did Alex, and we let you guys down. I'm sorry.
And the hits keep on coming, Jeff, because we let
you down twice in a row. This was a trios match,
the return of MVP with the Hurt Syndicate Bobby Lashley
and Shelton Benjamin. A standard of excellence that few people
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can can can reach and I picked them to win
because of that standard, and I was wrong. Some shady
shit went down to this match that I'm not that
I'm not liking. It should have just been straight down
the middle, but it wasn't because Ricochet's andol Con and
Toyo Leona. They won the damn match and I lost
you guys money, So the future will still be bright
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for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin. I'm not worried about
them in any way, shape or form. Can't wait to
see Bobby go after the title so I can pick
them to win and be right and make you guys
some more money. Senor Joffrey, how did you feel about
the Hurt Syndicate losing this match.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't really have an opinion about the Hurt Syndicate
losing necessarily, but I liked the match. I think that
I'm almost starting to feel like ae W was like
the Triple A compared to not Triple A, because there's
a wrestling group called Triple A. It's like the minor
leagues to WWE. Now, the whole time I'm watching the match,
I'm like, I wonder if Ricochet could come back to WWE.
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I'm wondering if if Shelton Benjamin or Bobby Lashley could call.
I just keep thinking like that, and even though it
was a great all I could just that's all I
could keep thinking. But any any match where you got
Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin and Ricochet and these other guys
are good too, but those three alone is going to
be an a plus fun match to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And Ricochet is playing a really good dickhead right now.
He's even like shitting on people online and like he's
just he's really he's being a better heel than he
was a babyface, and he seems like a nice guy
before he went all heel on everybody, So I'm sure
he's like a nice dude in real life. He just
got married, so someone out there loves him. But man,
is he a piece of shit out there? Like he's
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doing great? Yeah, wormy guy Weasley, wormy Yeah, slimy, slick
son of a bitch. Anyway, moving on back to our
winning ways on this show and back to making people
money now. Granted, not a hard one to pick. They
didn't give Rio a big story here. I'm talking about
Mercedes Money versus Rio for the ae W TBS Championship,
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Mercedes Money and Missus hundred and twenty three Belts versus
Missus No Belts. Rio and Rio came into this match
with not a lot of momentum, so I don't think
that's why anyone was gonna pick her. You just knew
you'd get a good match and that's what we But
Mercedes Monday wins again. This is sort of the foundation
and the building blocks that she's gonna stand on. I'm
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still waiting for the story, you know what I mean.
But the matches are The matches are always awesome, Like
every match she's in. I'm like, yo, man, she's one
of the top top chicks in the world. I don't
mean chicks disrespectfully. I call guys dudes and girls chicks,
and I mean it all in the same way. But
I know some of y'all don't like chicks, so sorry
about that. But yeah, dude, her matches are all money.
But I just would love to get her in a
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story where you know, she's being hunted, hunted and threatened
in a more you know, in a more creative way.
That's all, Jeff. That's how I feel. I agree.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
One, she is too big of a star to just go.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
We gave her the belt, you're like, I know, but
it's not enough. This is It's a great example that
like wrestling has to be a story. It doesn't matter
how how technical the wrestling is or how fancy your
outfit is.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
When you walk out to the ring. It has to
have a story, that's all we care about.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
The AEW Unified Championship Tournament final had a story, Jeff,
and it has a story of some potential conflict within
the don Kallis family between Okada the champ and Kenoske,
the challenger in this case, but they're brothers in arms
within the don Kallis family, Okata being the newest member
of that family, so there's a little friction. There's a
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little hey, new guy, what's up?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Man?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like, why are you tagging me out when I'm trying
to wrestle when they're in a tag match, and all
of a sudden, he's like in this triple three, he's like, yo,
why are you trying to take my title? If we're
in the same family butthole and Canosk Is like, don't
call me a butthole, dickhead, And it's kind of getting
like that, like two alpha males kind of going back
and forth, and don Kallis is loving it because he
just loves like alpha dogs fighting to see who the
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best is. He's not even really picking side, he's just like, yeah,
let's fucking go. If you want to fight, let's fight.
So that's the story there, and they had a mascara.
Dorada in there is like a third triple threat, but
everyone knew he wasn't gonna win. He was just there
to look awesome and do sweet and luchador moves. So
they're all in there now. Alex and I both picked
Kenosk We thought it was time, but we did present
an example of how and why Okada could win as well.
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So if you bought that and didn't talk yourself out
of the pick like my dumb ass did, congratulations And
if you listened, I'm sorry once again I missed some
on this a W they tricked me. Sometimes they go
left when I go right. WW is a lot easier
to pick, but this match was sick. Okada is the
friggin man, Kenosquez the man, Moscatra is the man like
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all three of these dudes. Moscot I couldn't have won
or it would have felt weird, and we'll get into
a one that felt weird in just a moment. I
freaking I love the Japanese dudes, and Dorado was awesome too,
but quickly becoming like one of my favorite wrestlers. I
just love the stories he tells in the ring. Care
what his English is like right now, I just want
to watch him do his thing. He's like a Japanese
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Randy Orton as far as like ring psychology and the
way he moves in there and that kind of shit.
So anyway, those are my thoughts on a match that
maybe not a lot of people cared about, but I
thought it was cool and I liked the conflict.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Take it away, Jeff, I was just gonna say, it's
a tough match to pronounce all the names. I'll say
that if you got those three guys also a second ago,
I was just saying, hey, listen, we need story.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It's not just wrestling in costume.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
This had great wrestling, incredible wrestling, had good story, and
needed better costume. These guys, these Japanese wrestlers, they just
come out. They're a little single it. Maybe they could
step up the wardrobe over there in Japanese wrestling. How's
that for constructive criticism for the Because Japanese wrestling is
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so pure, everybody loves it, like that's where you get
your stripes and wrestling. As you go to Japan and
there's nothing, there's not much to cred size when it
comes to Japanese wrestling. But let's let's let's work on
the costume.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But you shouldn't like the the old school Mike Tyson
when he just come out with the town. Did you
like that or do you like more like the UFC
entrances were like Israel Atisania is coming out and doing
all his wild shit, Like what did you prefer? Dude?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
I love a get I love the big crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I want them to have like full you know, come
out as a whole dragon, you know, like Mortal Kombat style.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And you know what I'm saying, like like the old
Chinese dragon parade where yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I'm into that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And you know what's funny is all the female wrestlers
in WWE and the Japanese wrestlers Oscar Kyrie sing, they
they have so much going on.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're so great to look at with the costume.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And the makeup and the hair and all the stuff
and the props and the things they come out with,
the masks and all the things. So why can't the
male Japanese wrestlers step it up a bit with the costume?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Too manly for you, bro, They're just too manly.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
No, well, it's just too too boring to look at
but I say I will, I'll give their give them
their flowers. When it comes to wrestling, and when it
comes to the story, it's it's all a plus plus plus.
I was just trying to find something to criticize, and
I realized I just said, we don't care about costume,
and I'm like, well, I care about costume on this
when it's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, you criticized yourself too, so it's all fair. Well,
you love gimmicks. The next match was a gimmick match.
It was a coffin match, and once again you knew
Darby Allen was gonna go full force into a frigging coffin,
and he did so. If that's what you were hoping for,
it didn't disappoint. I'm a father of two and it
scared the shit out of me when he does that
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because he looks so young, and I'm like, that's somebody's child.
And this was a blood bath. John Moxley was like
bleeding out his friggin head and his ear and his face,
and Darby Allen was covered in it. There was blood
in the tag match too, but it was a different
kind of blood. It was like little bits of blood.
This was like gushing horror movie blood. John Moxley doesn't care.
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He will cut himself for his art and bleed all
over that canvas every night of the week if they
let him. I'd imagine he came out with Marina Shaffir,
who's been doing a lot better. I have even heard
her cuss on TV. She was like, you get the
fuck out of my way. She wasn't playing. And this
was the Darby Allen match. He would have won, and
me and Alex we picked him to win, but that
(22:29):
bastard Pop made his freaking come back. He cut his hair,
That son of a bitch wrecked it, and he assists Moxley.
Moxley gets the wind. Don't forget they got Daniel Garcia
out there. They still have Wheeler Yuda that everyone hates
those those chants still exists. That's kind of funny. And
he still got Claudio too, so the death writers are
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no freaking joke, and Moxley gets the wind, which keeps
him and them strong. Darby then later that night wanted
to kill him and burn him and murder him is illegal.
You can't you can't do that, Darby Allen. You can't
be a sore loser like that. That's that's a spoil
sport straight up. That's what we call you in the
eighties if you were kids a spoil sport.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
He was.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You know, I know you love him, but that's that's
a spoil sport move. That's like slapping the wrestler after
he beats you. You know, that's punk move. We could
talk about EO. Skott too. Anyway, I got this one wrong.
So f this match. It was really good, but but
I lost it, so I hate it. Go ahead, Jeff,
take it away.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, I loved this match. This has all the things
I like. This is, This is all the stuff I'm
into for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
This is what I used to exaggerate about in ninth
grade whenever I'd come back to school and tell people
about E. C.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
W that I watched on my parents' TV scrambler.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Oh yeah, and then there was one part where he
put him in a coffin, and then and then later
he tried to set him on fire. I mean, this
has all the things a teenage boy wrestling fan loves,
and I'm here for it. All the things Darby Allen
does that I think are cool. I would hate if
someone did in real life. I don't really like the
example it's it might be setting for people, and maybe
(24:07):
this is just me getting old. But I was there
for it and love a coffin match, love John Moxley,
love Darby Allen. I thought this was very very very
very well done, and this is the kind of stuff
that can keep AW in business and put it to
the top, maybe someday being greater than WB.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It was.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
It was very very fun my type of shit.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The weirdest match of the night, Jeff the AW Women's
World Championship, a fatal four way that Tony Storm, the champ,
asked for because she doesn't want to be defeated. She
wants to be killed in that ring. That's the only
way she's going to stop, and so she asked for this.
She got it. She got Chris Statlander, she got Jamie Hayter,
who was my dark horse to win it. Although I
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had Tony retaining versus Tekla, who's new to the game
and does some cool, creepy shit, but we don't know
her that well yet, so I don't think anybody was
gonna pick her. I was certain not going to pick
Chris stat Lander if that was your dark horse out there.
Someone respect to you for making this right. She won
straight up via pinfall. Tony looked stunned, not as stunned
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as me, not just because I don't like losing. I
was shocked. I haven't. I hadn't seen a story or
a clue that would lend itself to me thinking Chris
could win that match. So congratulations, and I wish I
wish her all the best. I wish her good luck. Man.
I want to see what they have planned for her
title reign. Is it a temporary thing? Are they giving
her a shot? They're going to give her a story?
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And they got something planned? I don't know, but it
caught me totally off guard. I thought Tony was for
sure going to win, and eventually it would be her
versus Jamie Hayter in like a singles match with a
story behind it. But yeah, they tricked me, They tricked Alex,
and I think they tricked everybody. Did they trick you,
Jeff Dye?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Well, I didn't make any picks, so I kind of
watched this half heartedly. And since I didn't make any picks,
I can confidently tell you I would have chose all the.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Correct I would have known it. So I'm sure you
would have.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I would have bad.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You should have listened to me, because I would have
one pretty good. I see you actually picking her. Actually, yeah, no,
I wouldn't have voted for Tony Storm. I'll tell you that,
so I could have. You know, Chris Chatlander might have
been might have been my pick because I'm a little
Tony Storm hater.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But this was It was fun. It was a fun match.
I don't have much to say about it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I was wrong, so after that match too, all right?
Next up the aw World Tag Team Championship, a four
way ladder match, A lot of chaos in the ring,
hard for my old eyes to keep track of everything,
but still a really cool, badass match. I did not
pick Broddo to retain. I had the Young Bucks going
over because they've had some good luck going their way lately,
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so did Alex. What I didn't anticipate was Jack Perry
coming back. What else I didn't anticipate was them going
you know what, heal? Jack Perry wasn't the best Jack Perry.
The best Jack Perry is Jungle Boy, and I agree,
and the baby face Jack Perry is back. We didn't
know at first, we thought it was evil We're like, oh,
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evil Jack Perry's back, and then the young Bucks were
gonna beat his ass. Lucasaurus comes out and beats their ass,
and all of a sudden, it's the return of Jungle
Boy and Lucasaurus to the tag team division, and everybody
gets to love him again. And he'll cut a good
promo talking about where he's been, what his goals are now,
why he's changed, all that good stuff, and welcome back,
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Welcome back Jack Perry to professional wrestling. I was wrong,
even though this match was cool. F this match too.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I know you loved it, Jeff, I was fine with it.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Here's the thing, this might be a controversial take, but
there's some wrestlers who should never be healed. I've said
it before on here a million times. This he'll face,
he'll face, he'll face. Nonsense in wrestling is I've got
a lot of fatigue for it. I like when someone
is bad, and I like when someone is good. This
flip flopping back and forth is annoying. But also there's
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some wrestlers who should just never be good guys, and
some wrestlers who should just never be bad guys. And
I didn't buy Jack Perry as like this badass heel
for one second. I mean it, it's I think that
he is a he's a little underdog, He's Luke Skywalker,
He's we should be.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Rooting totally with you on that.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, he should be our our guy that we root for,
that we identify with. Like Jack, we want you as
us as a good guy. And I think same happened
with John Cena as a heel. Like John Cena as
a heel, we just didn't buy it. It wasn't enough.
We're just watching it gone. But you're the guy, You're
the make a wish guy, You're the you know, the
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troop guy. You're you're you're the you're you're our hero.
And I think I know that this also might be
not well received, but everyone that I've ever talked to
in wrestling says it's easier to be a heel, and so, yeah,
I guess that's why you probably like because it's fun
to tell fans to shut up, and it's it's a
little easier to be a grump and mean, and like,
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it's kind of fun to be the naughty, the naughty
piggy and the mud. But some guys should just be
good and that A great example of that is Jack Perry.
In my opinion, title of this episode is Piggy in
the Mud. Ah more good storytelling.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
In the main event, the AW World Championship, Adam Hangman
Page versus Kyle Fletcher did not have a ton of
time to set this match up, but Fletcher was so
superb on the mic throughout this and his point of
view on who he is and what he sees as
obstacles and how he approaches life and obstacles was so
clear cut and so well written and executed that I
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was very, very excited to see the match because they
had both men had a reason why. Adam Page community
his side of the story very well, saying I see
a lot of myself in you, Kyle, but you're not
ready to carry a company yet. You're just not ready.
You're twenty, you're physically ready, but you don't get all
the responsibilities that come with it. Kyle Fletcher's like, Yo,
(30:05):
fuck that, fuck you. I'm young. I don't listen to
advice from old people. I'm not trying to like that
was his point of view, right, Like, don't take advice
from someone you wouldn't ask advice from. Is that like
young mentality instead of like, no, dude, you can learn
a lot from just about everybody out there, so steal
what you can and make it your own.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's the more open minded way of looking at advice,
whether it's solicited or not. But Kyle Flescher said, fuck
you Freddie and fuck you Adam Page. I'm doing it
my way, and he did, and this match was awesome,
and he wrestled cocky and confident. He wrestled like a
man who was ready. Adam Page was right, and he
retains the title via pinfall. The don Kallis family couldn't interfere.
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They weren't allowed to. Damn you, damn you with your
smart negotiating tactics at In Paige. So he got a
straight up match, and Adam Paige the champ got to
keep his promise, which was you aren't ready yet. It
would have been looked really bad if he lost and
was wrong on his reasonable So this was an awesome match.
Hangman's growing on me, Kyle Fletcher. We said it when
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he was in it when his tag team partner first
got hurt, Like yo, that guy's way cooler than a partner,
Like yeah, like we both liked him we just didn't
know if he could talk. Well, he could fucking talk,
and he's a TNT champion and he's gonna talk a
lot of shit, Jeff. Match of the night for me.
I loved it, and again I thought the reason why
I was awesome. What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I thought it was awesome. It's never gonna be the
match of the night for me.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
When you have a Coffin match and a Laddin for Wall,
you know, I'm never gonna give it the match of
the night. But I do love a lone cowboy, and
I do love Hangman Adam Page Kyle Fletcher. I am
a huge fan of I don't see him as like
my guy who I'm rooting for, but he is incredible
in the ring.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
So I really really like this match.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
The spot of Hangman Adam Page doing his like like
I don't even know what the move is called, but
like putting his knees through the table man that went viral.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I saw it like twenty times.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I was avoiding wrestling, including our text threads, because I
was like, I don't I didn't get to watch Wrestle.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Paluza until literally yesterday.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I didn't watch this till after Wrestle Palooza at like
two PM, Like I was, I was just sitting there
trying to catch up on all the wrestling and I
was avoiding any kind of spoilers or anything. But I
was on I was inable to avoid that table spot
I got it. It was just everywhere on Twitter. It
was everywhere on my Instagram, so it's kind of tough
to avoid, but that means something good.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
People loved it or people liked it. Oh, it was great.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
This match was awesome, and I think everything happened as
it should have. I think hang Men definitely should have
retained and are and you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Know, I just I loved it, Ladies and gentlemen. That
was the aew all out the very first max Era
aw pay per view not too hard for me to buy.
It was very manageable for my old brain to process
how to get the pay per view. So thank you
for not making it too hard. Don't forget to follow
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to play live on the air. Now, stay tuned for
tomorrow show Unsanctioned Thursday, where we're going to give you
guys the results and talk Russell Palooza and more. I'm Baffa,
jeff I, I'm Freddi Prince. Thanks for listening, See you
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tomorrow please,
What's up, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Wrestling
with Freddy. Today it's Wrestling with Friends because mister Jeff
dies with us, and we're going to talk about AEW's
all out, get into our predictions and how they went.
Predictions went much better with the WW stuff. They're easier
to predict. You guys know that. And I talked myself
out of one that I shouldn't have. But we'll get
into that as well. Afternoon pay per views very old school,
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that's what aw did we love that? Competing matches going
up against each other. We kind of hated that but
loved it at the same time. But we got a
little return slash debut. Maybe I don't think it'll be
a debut. It's probably more of a one off with
Beth Phoenix now known as Beth Copeland. We'll get into everything.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Let's start our show.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
And now your main event introducing the hosts are Wrestling
with Freddy, check Da and a pretty friends tune.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Mister Jeff, how was your weekend? Signor?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I had a rough, rough week, so I appreciate you
guys letting me take last week off. It was just
would not be good to have me on all teary
eyed and acting and acting weird. So I'm happy to
be back. It was exciting to have so much wrestling
this week. I love whenever it's a ple e weekend,
so that part was great. It was a good wrestling week.
And also for my Seattle Sports it was a good week,
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so in those ways.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
It was positive. Go Seattle Sports. What did they do?
I don't know, like what happened to the Seahawks.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Astros and then the Huskies won in the Apple Cup
and me wearing this hat makes it kind of blasphemous
that I'm even talking about this, but it was.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
A good Seattle Sports. You wear every baseball hat in
the world. It's like guys that have every wrestler shirt
in the world. Pick your favorite and move on. This
was Toronto. Toronto loves their wrestling. They don't get it
as often as Americans do, so you know, I'm not
crapping on American crowds, but they just you know, we
see it all the time, so we don't get as
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hyped as the towns that don't get it all the time,
at least the major products. Right, So Toronto went bananas
and they opened the show with Toronto's own Edge, Adam
Copeland and Christian Cage formerly known as Christian the Asshole
and the Viking versus FTR, which is Dax Harwood and
Cash Wheeler, and Stokely Hathaway came out. He can't get
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any hoes, so it sucks for Stokely Hathaway. Life's tough
for him right now. But the crowd went bananas for
Adam Copeland, and it's so wild to me, Jeff, I
know the first verse of every wrestler's intro. After that,
I couldn't tell you a single word, not because I
don't care, because I can't understand what they're saying. These
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crowds know every single word, and because they're all yelling
at once, I can't understand it, so I can't learn
the song. Ever. I guess there's lyric videos on YouTube.
I've been told, but I've never seen one of those before.
I don't know how they do this, but they go
so bananas and to see these older hats appreciate that
response and you see the adrenaline like going crazy in
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Copela Door, You're like, dude, don't blow out before the match,
like you know, like he was so hyped, but It
just makes me feel good to see like Randy Orton
get his song sung in Paris, and to see Adam
Copeland get his song sung everywhere he goes. And I
don't I know, you don't always like the crowd involvement,
but I feel like you dig this too. When they're
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singing along and partying.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
Right, Oh, I love it.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I love love, love love that, and it shows that
like the wrestler, that they've got some support when they're
coming down the ramp. Let's do all the fan, let's
do all that. That's that's your time to shine audience.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
There you go, yeah, that's yeah, yeah, I have.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Maybe you're confusing that I've criticized when the wrestler's lip
sync their own lyrics. Coming down, like Rio Ripley is
like a girl going, I know all the lyrics to this.
You're like, yeah, yeah, we know, we know. Just come
out and be badass.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
How does she know the words? I don't know the words.
This match was awesome, But the part that kind of
like tickled my heart, Jeff was when Sina had his match.
I think it was against Sammy's Ay, and he was
like shouting out all his bros and wrestling by doing
their moves right, and he did Edge his spear and
he did.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
The like come on, get up, get up a thing.
By the way, you didn't know this was a thing.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
I didn't know that.
Speaker 5 (04:47):
Is there a history become a thing? Is there a history?
Speaker 4 (04:50):
I don't mean, like, well, I want to honor Stone Cold,
so I will steal the Stone Cold Stunner for this match.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Yeah, I wouldn't call it. I get what you're saying,
but I wouldn't call it stealing. It's like I'm paying
tribute and homage and respect. Probably I just can't think
of it off the top of my head, but I'm
sure it's been done. But the good energy was returned
in full by Edge as he legit did the scena
(05:19):
you can't see me and the shuffle and brush the
dirt off his shoulder and hit them, which is so
out of character for Edge, but for Adam Copeland at
AEW it feels right and it just made me smile
when I saw it in the match, and you knew
the good guys were gonna win. The good guys had
to win. Shout out to Dax Harwood, who wrestled with
a freaking broken nose. That got smashed a few days before,
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and instead of getting it fixed and all lovely, he's like, Nah,
I'm just gonna leave it broken and wrestle professionally and
get hit in that nose repeatedly every time my face
hits the freaking canvas. So respect to both teams, love
wrestlers that that bleed sweat and cry for their art.
We got a lot of that in that opening match,
and with the tears were Beth Phoenix. Man, this was
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like they sort of did this in WWE, but they
didn't give Beth this moment, and this was kind of
my favorite part of the match. Dude, this is how
you want your wife to go. This is like straight
up Patricia Arkhead and true romance, like taking a beating
for her man and not giving up where the cash is.
There's a moment, Jeff where or Adam Copelan is handcuffed
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to the ropes and Christians all beat up. They FDR
killed him so he's dead and now they're gonna kill
Adam and he's like, go just go, baby, just go,
And like every dude with a wife was like, Yeah,
that's what I would do too. I just take the
beating and tell my wife to go and not watch it,
and his wife literally Beth just goes basically fucked that.
(06:48):
I'm sorry. She starts trying trying to whip asses and
they're like, now we're not having that, Beth. We're gonna
put you in a pile driver, jump off the top
rope and last year neck too, and she took it
like a freaking champ. It was so awesome. This is
after the match is won and everybody's feeling good and
they're like, yeah, you don't get to feel good anymore, Toronto.
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And then they went and killed They killed Beth too,
so everybody's dead, which means the rivalry is not over,
and I'm really excited because the match was a ton
of fun. What was your favorite part of this match?
Was it the Beth Phoenix part two? Or was it
when she speared stokely?
Speaker 4 (07:25):
Like?
Speaker 1 (07:25):
What was your favorite part of all this?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
I definitely liked the part you've already addressed that he
was doing all the you know, the tribute John Cena stuff.
And then John Cena actually posted online photo of Edge
or Adam Copeland in the Ratedar Superstar. He posted a
picture of it as like another, Oh that's cool, I
just keep going back and forth, which I like. Also,
if you want your wife to defend your honor physically,
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Beth Phoenix is definitely the wife you should have. Like
that's like, yeah, not everybody you know, see them punks,
is my wife's gonna come out here and handle things.
And his wife is this tiny, beautiful woman that doesn't
you know, she's not that physically intimidating. But one Copeland,
she's she's known to be a badass. You can break
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her open and she'll still keep wrestling. You know, she'll
wrestle before she gets her ditches.
Speaker 5 (08:17):
So I just like the whole match. I thought it
was very, very well done.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
I wasn't here to pick who I thought would win,
but I definitely would have picked Adam Copeland.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Yeah, this was the easiest pick of the night. Both
Alex and I picked Cope and Cage to win or
Cajun Cope. Sorry sorry Christian Cajun Cope. And that was
my Christian impression. By the way, of course they won. Stokely,
Hathaway still has no hose, and we're gonna start a
gofund me account for him so he can get himself
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some hose, all right, Next match just we're stupid. Next
match is Eddie Kingston versus Big Bill with Brian Keith
uh not the outlaw, the bounty hunter coming out there
to help him whip ass. This was a singles match.
(09:07):
It was kind of made on not kind of. It
was made on collision with Big Bill beaten asses and saying, Yo,
every I'm the King of New York and everybody's you know,
chanting for your name, Like assholes are chatting for Cmpunk's
name over in the other company when when another wrestler's
out there, I'm going to show you that I'm the
King of New York. And Eddie Kingston's like, are you
out of your fucking mind? I will come out of retirement,
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not retirement, but off injury and bust your ass. That's
exactly what happened, Jeff. He went out there and got
an Eddie got his ass beat for a long time.
But that's kind of his thing, right is like you
can whip my ass, but at the end of the day,
I'm tougher than you. I can take more of what
you can dish out than what you can take when
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I dish it out. If that makes Does that make sense?
Speaker 5 (09:52):
Yeah, He's very like mankind. Mankind. It's almost like he
was liking the pain a little bit, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Like that like it was.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
It's a very ma Sichistic, like, all right, I can
just endure more punishment than you, and I wish more
wrestlers had that reputation or stylings.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
You love Darby, and Darby does that like tenfold. It's like, yeah,
you might be able to win my ass, but I'm
gonna always get up.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
It makes the other wrestler look good too.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Agreed. This was to me an easy pick to Alex,
it was an easy pick. Maybe for y'all it wasn't
so easy. So you trusted us, and you put some
big money down on mister Eddie Kingston, the Mad King,
because if you did, you won, and you won big.
Now that doesn't apply to this next match. And I'm
a fool, all right. I'm an idiot and a fool
because I picked MJF to win a match that's out
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of his element and a match that was completely in
Mark Briscoe's element. And I even told a story of
how MJF could lose this match, and instead of listening
to that story, I was like, oh, that's just some fiction,
bad booking on my part, and no, it actually would
have friggin worked. And when I look back, I was like, oh, yeah,
that totally makes sense. I should have picked Mark Briscoe
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to win a match that he invented, basic not invented,
but called out, and I didn't, and I lost you
guys money, and I'm sorry. However, if you went with
Alex and I on all these picks on both shows,
you ended up making money because we got more right
than we got wrong. So just remember that, Jeff, tell
the people how you felt. What I thought was going
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to be the bloodiest match of the night. I forgot
that John Moxley was on the card, but this, even
though I kind of love him blood there were some
squeamish moments for me. So I'm gonna let you take over, sir.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
I would have lost anybody who was using my picks
a lot of money, which I have a track record
of being right in the middle. I think I don't
think that anybody would say, oh, Jeff loses all of
his picks or Jeff wins all his picks.
Speaker 5 (11:46):
I'm very, very in the middle because.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
I always just pick who I like best, and there
has never been a time that I would have picked
MJF to lose anything, and so I would have definitely
picked MJF and lost you some money. If you want
to talk about a match that just had pound four
pound great spots, this was.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
This was your match.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
And also old Freddy about I don't know a year
ago would have really liked this hardcore match because it
wasn't bloody, and it wasn't as bloody and gooey as
a as a John Moxley match. So this is an
old school hardcore Freddy Prince Junior match, plenty of great spots.
I loved the you know, the the table spots with
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the old tax. We need to get back to that.
I miss those days, you know, tax hurt. Everyone goes ooh.
And then also we don't see a lot of blood
because it's just tax. There's not like it's not like
a bandsaw, which is what we'll be doing in ten
years from now.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
They'll say, oh, the the whoever cuts the other guy's legs.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Off is what's gonna hapen Texas table saw match.
Speaker 5 (12:51):
It'll be some crazy nonsense.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
So this match was great and it wasn't too it
was it was still it was a great way to
make book a match that was awesome to watch but
not super super gross in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
There were tacks in the back of my man's head. Yeah,
that's cool, and the glittering bro I was that was
the part where I was like, uh, someone pulled those
out right now, Like I could feel them in the
back of my head and it made me uncomfortable. And
you're right, I'm and I'm liking blood again, but sometimes
it gets me bro I like it more in movies
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when I know it's fake. Anyway, I picked MJF, so
did Alex, and we let you guys down. I'm sorry.
And the hits keep on coming, Jeff, because we let
you down twice in a row. This was a trios match,
the return of MVP with the Hurt Syndicate Bobby Lashley
and Shelton Benjamin. A standard of excellence that few people
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can can can reach and I picked them to win
because of that standard, and I was wrong. Some shady
shit went down to this match that I'm not that
I'm not liking. It should have just been straight down
the middle, but it wasn't because Ricochet's andol Con and
Toyo Leona. They won the damn match and I lost
you guys money, So the future will still be bright
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for Bobby Lashley and Shelton Benjamin. I'm not worried about
them in any way, shape or form. Can't wait to
see Bobby go after the title so I can pick
them to win and be right and make you guys
some more money. Senor Joffrey, how did you feel about
the Hurt Syndicate losing this match.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
I don't really have an opinion about the Hurt Syndicate
losing necessarily, but I liked the match. I think that
I'm almost starting to feel like ae W was like
the Triple A compared to not Triple A, because there's
a wrestling group called Triple A. It's like the minor
leagues to WWE. Now, the whole time I'm watching the match,
I'm like, I wonder if Ricochet could come back to WWE.
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I'm wondering if if Shelton Benjamin or Bobby Lashley could call.
I just keep thinking like that, and even though it
was a great all I could just that's all I
could keep thinking. But any any match where you got
Bobby Lashley, Shelton Benjamin and Ricochet and these other guys
are good too, but those three alone is going to
be an a plus fun match to watch.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
And Ricochet is playing a really good dickhead right now.
He's even like shitting on people online and like he's
just he's really he's being a better heel than he
was a babyface, and he seems like a nice guy
before he went all heel on everybody, So I'm sure
he's like a nice dude in real life. He just
got married, so someone out there loves him. But man,
is he a piece of shit out there? Like he's
(15:25):
doing great? Yeah, wormy guy Weasley, wormy Yeah, slimy, slick
son of a bitch. Anyway, moving on back to our
winning ways on this show and back to making people
money now. Granted, not a hard one to pick. They
didn't give Rio a big story here. I'm talking about
Mercedes Money versus Rio for the ae W TBS Championship,
(15:46):
Mercedes Money and Missus hundred and twenty three Belts versus
Missus No Belts. Rio and Rio came into this match
with not a lot of momentum, so I don't think
that's why anyone was gonna pick her. You just knew
you'd get a good match and that's what we But
Mercedes Monday wins again. This is sort of the foundation
and the building blocks that she's gonna stand on. I'm
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still waiting for the story, you know what I mean.
But the matches are The matches are always awesome, Like
every match she's in. I'm like, yo, man, she's one
of the top top chicks in the world. I don't
mean chicks disrespectfully. I call guys dudes and girls chicks,
and I mean it all in the same way. But
I know some of y'all don't like chicks, so sorry
about that. But yeah, dude, her matches are all money.
But I just would love to get her in a
(16:28):
story where you know, she's being hunted, hunted and threatened
in a more you know, in a more creative way.
That's all, Jeff. That's how I feel. I agree.
Speaker 5 (16:38):
One, she is too big of a star to just go.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
We gave her the belt, you're like, I know, but
it's not enough. This is It's a great example that
like wrestling has to be a story. It doesn't matter
how how technical the wrestling is or how fancy your
outfit is.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
When you walk out to the ring. It has to
have a story, that's all we care about.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
The AEW Unified Championship Tournament final had a story, Jeff,
and it has a story of some potential conflict within
the don Kallis family between Okada the champ and Kenoske,
the challenger in this case, but they're brothers in arms
within the don Kallis family, Okata being the newest member
of that family, so there's a little friction. There's a
(17:35):
little hey, new guy, what's up?
Speaker 4 (17:37):
Man?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Like, why are you tagging me out when I'm trying
to wrestle when they're in a tag match, and all
of a sudden, he's like in this triple three, he's like, yo,
why are you trying to take my title? If we're
in the same family butthole and Canosk Is like, don't
call me a butthole, dickhead, And it's kind of getting
like that, like two alpha males kind of going back
and forth, and don Kallis is loving it because he
just loves like alpha dogs fighting to see who the
(17:58):
best is. He's not even really picking side, he's just like, yeah,
let's fucking go. If you want to fight, let's fight.
So that's the story there, and they had a mascara.
Dorada in there is like a third triple threat, but
everyone knew he wasn't gonna win. He was just there
to look awesome and do sweet and luchador moves. So
they're all in there now. Alex and I both picked
Kenosk We thought it was time, but we did present
an example of how and why Okada could win as well.
(18:21):
So if you bought that and didn't talk yourself out
of the pick like my dumb ass did, congratulations And
if you listened, I'm sorry once again I missed some
on this a W they tricked me. Sometimes they go
left when I go right. WW is a lot easier
to pick, but this match was sick. Okada is the
friggin man, Kenosquez the man, Moscatra is the man like
(18:43):
all three of these dudes. Moscot I couldn't have won
or it would have felt weird, and we'll get into
a one that felt weird in just a moment. I
freaking I love the Japanese dudes, and Dorado was awesome too,
but quickly becoming like one of my favorite wrestlers. I
just love the stories he tells in the ring. Care
what his English is like right now, I just want
to watch him do his thing. He's like a Japanese
(19:03):
Randy Orton as far as like ring psychology and the
way he moves in there and that kind of shit.
So anyway, those are my thoughts on a match that
maybe not a lot of people cared about, but I
thought it was cool and I liked the conflict.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Take it away, Jeff, I was just gonna say, it's
a tough match to pronounce all the names. I'll say
that if you got those three guys also a second ago,
I was just saying, hey, listen, we need story.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
It's not just wrestling in costume.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
This had great wrestling, incredible wrestling, had good story, and
needed better costume. These guys, these Japanese wrestlers, they just
come out. They're a little single it. Maybe they could
step up the wardrobe over there in Japanese wrestling. How's
that for constructive criticism for the Because Japanese wrestling is
(19:52):
so pure, everybody loves it, like that's where you get
your stripes and wrestling. As you go to Japan and
there's nothing, there's not much to cred size when it
comes to Japanese wrestling. But let's let's let's work on
the costume.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
But you shouldn't like the the old school Mike Tyson
when he just come out with the town. Did you
like that or do you like more like the UFC
entrances were like Israel Atisania is coming out and doing
all his wild shit, Like what did you prefer? Dude?
Speaker 5 (20:18):
I love a get I love the big crazy stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
I want them to have like full you know, come
out as a whole dragon, you know, like Mortal Kombat style.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
And you know what I'm saying, like like the old
Chinese dragon parade where yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I like that.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
I'm into that.
Speaker 4 (20:34):
And you know what's funny is all the female wrestlers
in WWE and the Japanese wrestlers Oscar Kyrie sing, they
they have so much going on.
Speaker 5 (20:45):
They're so great to look at with the costume.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
And the makeup and the hair and all the stuff
and the props and the things they come out with,
the masks and all the things. So why can't the
male Japanese wrestlers step it up a bit with the costume?
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Too manly for you, bro, They're just too manly.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
No, well, it's just too too boring to look at
but I say I will, I'll give their give them
their flowers. When it comes to wrestling, and when it
comes to the story, it's it's all a plus plus plus.
I was just trying to find something to criticize, and
I realized I just said, we don't care about costume,
and I'm like, well, I care about costume on this
when it's not good enough.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well, you criticized yourself too, so it's all fair. Well,
you love gimmicks. The next match was a gimmick match.
It was a coffin match, and once again you knew
Darby Allen was gonna go full force into a frigging coffin,
and he did so. If that's what you were hoping for,
it didn't disappoint. I'm a father of two and it
scared the shit out of me when he does that
(21:42):
because he looks so young, and I'm like, that's somebody's child.
And this was a blood bath. John Moxley was like
bleeding out his friggin head and his ear and his face,
and Darby Allen was covered in it. There was blood
in the tag match too, but it was a different
kind of blood. It was like little bits of blood.
This was like gushing horror movie blood. John Moxley doesn't care.
(22:07):
He will cut himself for his art and bleed all
over that canvas every night of the week if they
let him. I'd imagine he came out with Marina Shaffir,
who's been doing a lot better. I have even heard
her cuss on TV. She was like, you get the
fuck out of my way. She wasn't playing. And this
was the Darby Allen match. He would have won, and
me and Alex we picked him to win, but that
(22:29):
bastard Pop made his freaking come back. He cut his hair,
That son of a bitch wrecked it, and he assists Moxley.
Moxley gets the wind. Don't forget they got Daniel Garcia
out there. They still have Wheeler Yuda that everyone hates
those those chants still exists. That's kind of funny. And
he still got Claudio too, so the death writers are
(22:50):
no freaking joke, and Moxley gets the wind, which keeps
him and them strong. Darby then later that night wanted
to kill him and burn him and murder him is illegal.
You can't you can't do that, Darby Allen. You can't
be a sore loser like that. That's that's a spoil
sport straight up. That's what we call you in the
eighties if you were kids a spoil sport.
Speaker 4 (23:09):
He was.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
You know, I know you love him, but that's that's
a spoil sport move. That's like slapping the wrestler after
he beats you. You know, that's punk move. We could
talk about EO. Skott too. Anyway, I got this one wrong.
So f this match. It was really good, but but
I lost it, so I hate it. Go ahead, Jeff,
take it away.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, I loved this match. This has all the things
I like. This is, This is all the stuff I'm
into for sure.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
This is what I used to exaggerate about in ninth
grade whenever I'd come back to school and tell people
about E. C.
Speaker 5 (23:40):
W that I watched on my parents' TV scrambler.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
You know.
Speaker 4 (23:44):
Oh yeah, and then there was one part where he
put him in a coffin, and then and then later
he tried to set him on fire. I mean, this
has all the things a teenage boy wrestling fan loves,
and I'm here for it. All the things Darby Allen
does that I think are cool. I would hate if
someone did in real life. I don't really like the
example it's it might be setting for people, and maybe
(24:07):
this is just me getting old. But I was there
for it and love a coffin match, love John Moxley,
love Darby Allen. I thought this was very very very
very well done, and this is the kind of stuff
that can keep AW in business and put it to
the top, maybe someday being greater than WB.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
It was.
Speaker 5 (24:28):
It was very very fun my type of shit.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
The weirdest match of the night, Jeff the AW Women's
World Championship, a fatal four way that Tony Storm, the champ,
asked for because she doesn't want to be defeated. She
wants to be killed in that ring. That's the only
way she's going to stop, and so she asked for this.
She got it. She got Chris Statlander, she got Jamie Hayter,
who was my dark horse to win it. Although I
(24:50):
had Tony retaining versus Tekla, who's new to the game
and does some cool, creepy shit, but we don't know
her that well yet, so I don't think anybody was
gonna pick her. I was certain not going to pick
Chris stat Lander if that was your dark horse out there.
Someone respect to you for making this right. She won
straight up via pinfall. Tony looked stunned, not as stunned
(25:12):
as me, not just because I don't like losing. I
was shocked. I haven't. I hadn't seen a story or
a clue that would lend itself to me thinking Chris
could win that match. So congratulations, and I wish I
wish her all the best. I wish her good luck. Man.
I want to see what they have planned for her
title reign. Is it a temporary thing? Are they giving
her a shot? They're going to give her a story?
(25:33):
And they got something planned? I don't know, but it
caught me totally off guard. I thought Tony was for
sure going to win, and eventually it would be her
versus Jamie Hayter in like a singles match with a
story behind it. But yeah, they tricked me, They tricked Alex,
and I think they tricked everybody. Did they trick you,
Jeff Dye?
Speaker 4 (25:49):
Well, I didn't make any picks, so I kind of
watched this half heartedly. And since I didn't make any picks,
I can confidently tell you I would have chose all the.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Correct I would have known it. So I'm sure you
would have.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
I would have bad.
Speaker 4 (26:03):
You should have listened to me, because I would have
one pretty good. I see you actually picking her. Actually, yeah, no,
I wouldn't have voted for Tony Storm. I'll tell you that,
so I could have. You know, Chris Chatlander might have
been might have been my pick because I'm a little
Tony Storm hater.
Speaker 5 (26:18):
But this was It was fun. It was a fun match.
I don't have much to say about it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
I was wrong, so after that match too, all right?
Next up the aw World Tag Team Championship, a four
way ladder match, A lot of chaos in the ring,
hard for my old eyes to keep track of everything,
but still a really cool, badass match. I did not
pick Broddo to retain. I had the Young Bucks going
over because they've had some good luck going their way lately,
(26:46):
so did Alex. What I didn't anticipate was Jack Perry
coming back. What else I didn't anticipate was them going
you know what, heal? Jack Perry wasn't the best Jack Perry.
The best Jack Perry is Jungle Boy, and I agree,
and the baby face Jack Perry is back. We didn't
know at first, we thought it was evil We're like, oh,
(27:07):
evil Jack Perry's back, and then the young Bucks were
gonna beat his ass. Lucasaurus comes out and beats their ass,
and all of a sudden, it's the return of Jungle
Boy and Lucasaurus to the tag team division, and everybody
gets to love him again. And he'll cut a good
promo talking about where he's been, what his goals are now,
why he's changed, all that good stuff, and welcome back,
(27:28):
Welcome back Jack Perry to professional wrestling. I was wrong,
even though this match was cool. F this match too.
Speaker 5 (27:35):
I know you loved it, Jeff, I was fine with it.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
Here's the thing, this might be a controversial take, but
there's some wrestlers who should never be healed. I've said
it before on here a million times. This he'll face,
he'll face, he'll face. Nonsense in wrestling is I've got
a lot of fatigue for it. I like when someone
is bad, and I like when someone is good. This
flip flopping back and forth is annoying. But also there's
(28:00):
some wrestlers who should just never be good guys, and
some wrestlers who should just never be bad guys. And
I didn't buy Jack Perry as like this badass heel
for one second. I mean it, it's I think that
he is a he's a little underdog, He's Luke Skywalker,
He's we should be.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Rooting totally with you on that.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Yeah, he should be our our guy that we root for,
that we identify with. Like Jack, we want you as
us as a good guy. And I think same happened
with John Cena as a heel. Like John Cena as
a heel, we just didn't buy it. It wasn't enough.
We're just watching it gone. But you're the guy, You're
the make a wish guy, You're the you know, the
(28:43):
troop guy. You're you're you're the you're you're our hero.
And I think I know that this also might be
not well received, but everyone that I've ever talked to
in wrestling says it's easier to be a heel, and so, yeah,
I guess that's why you probably like because it's fun
to tell fans to shut up, and it's it's a
little easier to be a grump and mean, and like,
(29:06):
it's kind of fun to be the naughty, the naughty
piggy and the mud. But some guys should just be
good and that A great example of that is Jack Perry.
In my opinion, title of this episode is Piggy in
the Mud. Ah more good storytelling.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
In the main event, the AW World Championship, Adam Hangman
Page versus Kyle Fletcher did not have a ton of
time to set this match up, but Fletcher was so
superb on the mic throughout this and his point of
view on who he is and what he sees as
obstacles and how he approaches life and obstacles was so
clear cut and so well written and executed that I
(29:45):
was very, very excited to see the match because they
had both men had a reason why. Adam Page community
his side of the story very well, saying I see
a lot of myself in you, Kyle, but you're not
ready to carry a company yet. You're just not ready.
You're twenty, you're physically ready, but you don't get all
the responsibilities that come with it. Kyle Fletcher's like, Yo,
(30:05):
fuck that, fuck you. I'm young. I don't listen to
advice from old people. I'm not trying to like that
was his point of view, right, Like, don't take advice
from someone you wouldn't ask advice from. Is that like
young mentality instead of like, no, dude, you can learn
a lot from just about everybody out there, so steal
what you can and make it your own.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Right.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's the more open minded way of looking at advice,
whether it's solicited or not. But Kyle Flescher said, fuck
you Freddie and fuck you Adam Page. I'm doing it
my way, and he did, and this match was awesome,
and he wrestled cocky and confident. He wrestled like a
man who was ready. Adam Page was right, and he
retains the title via pinfall. The don Kallis family couldn't interfere.
(30:45):
They weren't allowed to. Damn you, damn you with your
smart negotiating tactics at In Paige. So he got a
straight up match, and Adam Paige the champ got to
keep his promise, which was you aren't ready yet. It
would have been looked really bad if he lost and
was wrong on his reasonable So this was an awesome match.
Hangman's growing on me, Kyle Fletcher. We said it when
(31:05):
he was in it when his tag team partner first
got hurt, Like yo, that guy's way cooler than a partner,
Like yeah, like we both liked him we just didn't
know if he could talk. Well, he could fucking talk,
and he's a TNT champion and he's gonna talk a
lot of shit, Jeff. Match of the night for me.
I loved it, and again I thought the reason why
I was awesome. What'd you think?
Speaker 5 (31:24):
I thought it was awesome. It's never gonna be the
match of the night for me.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
When you have a Coffin match and a Laddin for Wall,
you know, I'm never gonna give it the match of
the night. But I do love a lone cowboy, and
I do love Hangman Adam Page Kyle Fletcher. I am
a huge fan of I don't see him as like
my guy who I'm rooting for, but he is incredible
in the ring.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
So I really really like this match.
Speaker 4 (31:47):
The spot of Hangman Adam Page doing his like like
I don't even know what the move is called, but
like putting his knees through the table man that went viral.
Speaker 5 (31:59):
I saw it like twenty times.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
I was avoiding wrestling, including our text threads, because I
was like, I don't I didn't get to watch Wrestle.
Speaker 5 (32:08):
Paluza until literally yesterday.
Speaker 4 (32:10):
I didn't watch this till after Wrestle Palooza at like
two PM, Like I was, I was just sitting there
trying to catch up on all the wrestling and I
was avoiding any kind of spoilers or anything. But I
was on I was inable to avoid that table spot
I got it. It was just everywhere on Twitter. It
was everywhere on my Instagram, so it's kind of tough
to avoid, but that means something good.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
People loved it or people liked it. Oh, it was great.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
This match was awesome, and I think everything happened as
it should have. I think hang Men definitely should have
retained and are and you.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
Know, I just I loved it, Ladies and gentlemen. That
was the aew all out the very first max Era
aw pay per view not too hard for me to buy.
It was very manageable for my old brain to process
how to get the pay per view. So thank you
for not making it too hard. Don't forget to follow
us on Instagram Wrestling with Freddie and leave us some
reviews on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. Also keep an eye
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open to our for our socials, as we will soon
announce a special Federation Speaks edition of the show, where
you guys can submit your questions or thoughts for us
to play live on the air. Now, stay tuned for
tomorrow show Unsanctioned Thursday, where we're going to give you
guys the results and talk Russell Palooza and more. I'm Baffa,
jeff I, I'm Freddi Prince. Thanks for listening, See you
(33:28):
tomorrow please,
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