October 16, 2024 • 35 mins
Join Jeff and I for an action-packed episode as we break down AEW’s WrestleDream featuring a touching tribute to Bryan Danielson's legendary career and his emotional in-ring retirement. Plus, we celebrate Willow Nightingale's rapid rise in AEW and discuss the shocking return of Adam Cole to the ring.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I think that the world is not being positive enough
about Willow Nightingale. I think we see her because she's
because she's such a face as she smiles, and she's
doing such a good job of being the good guy
wrestler that we're not giving enough credits. I think she
should have like a Bailey moment where people realize, like,
this chick is really good.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And now you're mad.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Even introducing ghosts wrestling Win Forreddy, Jeff Died and for
Ready Friends tunor what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Welcome to a brand new episode, a sad, sad episode
of wrestling with Freddy because it was the end of
a career, Jeff, and it not only broke my heart,
but it broke my pocketbook too. We're gonna get into
that and everything else in a minute, but first off,
we'll tell you about the week weekend. How we're doing. Jeff,
you have a lovely jacket as the weather cools to
(01:01):
keep you warm. I thought it was a vest, but
you you explained it to me, but it could be
a cool la and I vest. I'm just saying, how
is your weekend, sir? Weekend was good.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It is getting colder here in Los Angeles, the rest
of Earth doesn't want to hear us complain about sixty
five degrees winter.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, oh it's freezing. I gotta put on my north face.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Fleet me too, I'm talking about I have been rocking
vests lately because of you, and because of our pridisier Alex,
and because of La Night. I'm feeling very vest You're
feeling very vesty lately.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I love it. But so this isn't one. But just
since you mentioned it, I wanted to let everyone know
you will.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Be seeing me in more vests. Oh yeah, it's because
you got balls, bro, That's why I'm big. I love
balls to rock the vest, all.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, cowboys wear them. You know a lot of You're
the last cowboy, You're the last cold. Yeah, with the
last vest. My weekend was good. I didn't get to
watch Wrestle Dream Live. I was at Disneyland, the happiest
place on earth if you're twelve or maybe like fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
My daughter's fifteen, so yes, it's still cool that she
she does.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, she likes the rides. She doesn't care about the
princesses and all that stuff. She just wants to go
on the rides and see if like is tower of
Terror or now it's the Avengers Tower. I don't know,
the one that goes up and down. She was like,
I want to see if it's scarier after two pm,
like they said, and it was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sometimes a girl at that age is already like over
everything and just wants to like talk to her friends
or be on the phone or something. But like she
likes it. She still enjoys Disney.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, she likes rides. She's going to Horror Nights.
We're going to knots Berry Farm, which has way like
more hardcore adult rides that do like tons of flips,
more my speed. But Disney is still cool. Man, Like,
the kids had a blast and they were super good
to us. We did that host thing again that oh nice, yeah,
oh yeah, you guys hate it, but man, without it,
(02:49):
I would have been a pinball and a pinball machine
jack with people going.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Hey is that? Wait?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
No, that's not hey is that? And I was like, well,
I just want to kill out run. They only hate it.
They only hate it because they ain't it. That's what's
going on. If everyone could do the guide that they
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We had. She was the nicest lady. Her name was
Haley Shout out to Haley. She was so good to
my kids.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And another family was there with us with their baby,
and their baby had guts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The baby was only eight years old or eight years
eight months old and was going on like every ride
you're allowed to bring a baby on, and didn't cry once.
She was laughing eight months eight months, So like the
Peter Pan rides and all these like things that are
safe for her to be on, they can bring her
on as long as they're holding her. We even went
on like this one that was like a goofy train
(03:35):
ride thing.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And I don't remember the name of the ride. Sorry.
I also don't read the title pages of my script,
so I'm not like crapping on right now.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But yeah, she went on everything rides where I was like, oh,
my freaking neck, and she's.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Like, ah, I didn't even know you could gangs.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I need to google eight months old. I didn't even
I don't know what eight months looks like. But I
would have never guessed that they could be on a
ride bigger than a bread box, bigger than a bread box.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Wild.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But they're not like running around and stuff like that.
All right, you guys, you heard enough about our bullshit.
Just catching up with us. Yeah, just catching up. It's
time to talk some wrestling. Wrestle dream for your boy.
Freddie was a wrestle nightmare. My picks were not good.
But if you're a listener of the show and you
(04:20):
have the discerning taste that we know you do, you
know that when you listen to the show and you
follow these shows picks, we're more right than we are wrong,
and sometimes we're perfect. And in this case, you like, well, yeah,
until the end, okay, but who cares? You got your
picks wrong, but you liked it. No, But I was
sad that Danielson lost. Here's what's awesome is he totally
(04:42):
lost and went out on his terms the way he
wanted to go out, and it was such like an
old school way, like when a wrestler would leave a
territory and everyone would attack him and you know, beat
his ass out of there. So that in that regard
it felt cool and was awesome. But Brian was one
of my favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Brian was one of the first guys that ever came
to my little like acting class when I worked at WWE,
Like when everyone else was shitting all over and it
was like I'm not gonna fucking go to that. It
was like him, Miss and Nemath were like the three
first dudes that showed up, and he was so frigging
cool and was like he wasn't like, hey, I'm here,
(05:23):
let's learn. He was like, I'm gonna see if you're legit,
if you actually care, or if you're just here to
you know, party with Vince and try to sleep with
divas and all that kind of stuff. Right, And well,
you know, that's how they looked at Hollywood, like that's
how they wanted hot. They really wanted to keep Hollywood
out of there, because that's that's was their perception of it,
(05:45):
right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But with me, they were wrong. I was, well, Wrestling's
always been the circus and Hollywood's always been Hollywood, and
so I imagine.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, they don't like outsiders in there. So a lot
of a lot of cats made me earn it, which
was okay, and he was one of them. But once
he saw that, I was like, I actually cared about
these these guys and girls, and I wanted to see,
you know, help make their dreams come true and see
good things happen for him. And you know, I'd even
talk to him just if they were having a bad day,
if I had time, and once he kind of saw
(06:13):
that he was so cool and started like telling other
like young wrestlers, like no, it's not it's not bullshit,
Like he's actually trying to help us. So I have
I have like a and we're not friends, like I
don't have his number or anything like that. But I
just always respected that about him, and I always liked
him extra because of that. So when I saw him
become champion, despite the fact the company did not have
(06:34):
a plan to make him champion, that was the people
that made that with their yes chant to see him
accomplish all the things he accomplished and then have it
all taken away because they didn't want him to wrestle
anymore because they didn't want to be liable for a
lawsuit later in life, which was the only reason why
in my in my view, that they would do something
like that. So he goes to another company, helps build
(06:55):
that company, wasn't one of the wasn't the first guy there,
but was there in the early times, helped build it
to what it is now, gave some phenomenal matches, and
got to go out on his terms. All that sounds great,
except I really like watching him wrestle, so that story
sucks for me. I don't want him to be I
don't want him to be gone.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But don't you think there's so many more things to respect,
like you know, like as far as like sure, we
won't get to see him, but he did make a
multiple claims that he's doing this for his family. He's
doing it for his kids or kid daughter. I think
he's doing it hour two or one. Yeah, he definitely
he's doing it for his kid, he's doing it for
his wife, he's doing it for his body. Right, like
(07:36):
a lot of wrestlers, maybe we should have seen it
a little earlier, and you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Did I'm the one that turned a blind eye. You
guys explained this in your pick like I also like
list well, well, yeah, you're betting with what you want.
But I will say, like I also predicted it last week.
He'll be back. He'll be back. He's they don't go anywhere,
so it's fine.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Even when he had that neck injury and they wasn't
cleared to wrestle, we saw him every week for years.
With that, you know, they found a way to put
him in wrestling somehow. So wrestling is too much a
part of this guy for him to disappear. We'll still
see him.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. Well, let's just keep talking
about the main event. Then we can get into the
other matches as time allows. He lost the match abruptly
in a rear naked choke. Moxley didn't have his feet
hooked in the in the hips. He could have gotten
his ankle turned the way he had that foot grip.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But that's okay, that's all right. It was pro wrestling,
not jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Brian didn't see the ankle locked there, that's all right,
and he got choked out unconscious, and then, of course,
because it's going to be an old school finish and
they're going to run the guy out, they all tried
to murder Brian Danielson a second time until help finally
came and arrived in the form of Wheeler Judah and
Darby Allen, who wrestled earlier that night and had brutal,
(09:00):
freaking match. Man, that dude is built like Gumby. I
swear to god, man, it's the only way he's able
to do that. They came out, they got beat down,
private party. Another team that gave a hell of a
match and a great ending, man like when the dude
broke down. We can get into that later if you want.
But they came out, man, they got beat up. It
took everybody and their grandma to come out there and
(09:23):
help Wheeler Uda.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Son of a bitch.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You turned on him, He turned on Brian Danielson, You
tried to murder him too. All he ever did was
look out for you, son of a bitch, And then
they finally got him out of there on a freaking stretcher,
which is an awesome, slash horrible way to go out.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I was just sad mess the end of a I
know you, like you said, and you're dead right, You're
He's gonna come back. He'll be in a match here,
He'll be in a match there like every five years.
But it's just you know, he I think he's one
of the greats, right, But also what if?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
What if?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
What what if he comes back next week?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And it was like, do you know what I'm saying?
What if he comes back? He's he goes? Really you
guys thought I was gonna leave on a stretcher.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, you've lit a fire under my ass and Brian
Danison is back. Nobody, nobody turns on me like that,
you know, just completely swarm everybody as far as like yeah,
that would.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Be the biggest ever.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That's like Barbara streisand retiring and then being like, all right,
I'm done with the business, and the very next week
announcing a tour, the Yeah World Tour, which w I.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Need to remind wrestling fans of Michael Jordan, Brett farre
Tom Brady. How often do we see someone go I'd
say it, I'm calling it, write your little cute Facebook
post about how much you'll miss me, then bat a boom.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The next month they're right back at it. Well, I
secretly hope you're right or yeah, that happens.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. Also, the Blackpool Combat Club is so rad. There're
so me dude, They're dicks.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I've never loved anything the way I love it, the
way John Moxley has reinvented himself and like the earring,
the bald head, the all black, the way they're just
coming out there saying listen, just being like you know what,
I never got my flowers, I've never gotten my respect
the way I should. And I'm done tap dancing for
Vince McMahon. I'm done tap dancing for Tony Kahan. We're
(11:26):
gonna go out there and we're gonna show everyone that
we're the best. No frills, no gimmicks, no costume in music,
which we love, costume of music. I'm not criticizing any
of that, but it's these guys who have just said,
enough's enough, Vendetta ride, let's go. And I think they're
the coolest thing that's in wrestling right now.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, they're badass, but they're jerks. Man beat up and
Daniel Brian or Brian Danison like that. That's some bullshit,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think everyone can identify with that though, and not
getting their flowers and then being like, I'm gonna take
my flower.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's what you're clicking with that, that's what it is.
They found so something that you could like genuinely click
with and now you can ride or die with them. See,
that's why wrestling's cool. Man, They'll find something like that.
I've gotten flowers before. Man, they die.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is true. They flowers don't last long. They're pretty,
but they don't last long.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Back of the day, they used to do these things
called like I don't know if they still do it
like the Nickelodeon Awards or they and the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Kids give you a big surfboar. Yeah, surfboards.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So I had one like a bunch of those surf
I don't know, like three or four or five something
like that. I gave them away to some to some kid,
like the very next day. They were in the back
of my truck and I was going surfing on a
real surfboard. You couldn't surf on those. And I had
driven myself to the event, like I was the only
dag ass that like didn't get a limousine. I was like, man,
(12:56):
I just want to drive myself so I can leave
when I want to leave and not have to wait.
So I had parked in like ballet then and walked in.
Was the only asshole that did that and won those surfboards.
And some kid was like, yo, man, I saw you
on that show, and uh you won those those surfboards? Man,
are those them? You take them with you everywhere? And
I was like, no, you dig I just don't want him.
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I forgot him in there. They're still in the car,
and he was like, dude, let me have him if
you don't care. I was like, bro, take them, and
so he took them. I don't know if he tried
to surf or not, but I don't have any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Game. I love that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I saw one of those in Dane Cook's garage and
it was just covered in dirt and I was like, Oh,
all those other like awards and his letterman Q cards,
all that stuff is gone his office wall, but this
one's just in the garage.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
That was one of those award shows where they were like, hey,
do you want to come to the to the Teen
Choice Awards? And I said no, and they said, well
you what if we told you you won all these awards?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was like, fine, I'll fucking go.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I think I was like twenty years old, maybe twenty one, dude,
it was.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It also might have gotten a little bit better of
placement in your home if it was not a giant surfboard.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They were small though.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They weren't even like a six foot or like like
you know, decapitator, which I can't surf anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm forty eight years old.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I surf a longboard, but like I used to surf
like a six to two and this was like a
five to two so it's not even a surfable board.
It just has to take up a huge space that
just goes look at me.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I don't. I don't want that in my house.
Too big for a bookshelf. Still, some guy probably turned
it into modern arts somewhere in Venice.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's it probably looks sweet until it got burnt up
and sold or something. I'm going to find it. I'm
going to find out the internet. It's going to go
in my house, all right, dude.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Former guest of the show, Mariah May the Champion say
that again, the champ. She's not losing this belt for
a long ass time, not until Australia against Tony Storm
against Willow Nightingale. Now, see, our producer wants us to
say that he was wrong on this one because he
had picked Britt Baker. But Britt Baker got sick. She
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had strep throat, which I used to get as a
kid all the time. And then I had puberty and boom,
never got sick again. Well that's not true. I got
sick a few times, but rarely get sick. It's puberty.
But anyway, he wants you to believe that, oh, he
made a mistake and pick Brett Baker. No, he did not,
And I'm not going to lie on this show. I'm
a dealer of truth, Jeff. I'm always good man. I
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always deal from the top of the deck, so our
honorable man.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But I'll say it, Alex got this wrong. What a
stupid idiot? Can you believe he didn't even predict that
Britt Baker will get strep throat. What a dumb dumb
We all like that, you like the Blackpool Combat Club.
He just unnecessarily cruel. Look, man, we knew Mariah this.
If you if you didn't listen to me on this one,
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shame on you. But everyone and our grandma knew who
was going to win this match. If this was a
betable match on whatever sites are out there that you
can bet on, and you didn't bet it, that's a mistake.
That's a big time mistake. This was a lock. This
was a guarantee. This was like to us telling you
Damian Priest was gonna beat Finn Balor, like these are
they're gonna be sure things. I should tell you guys,
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I did even say it was a sure thing. So
just remember that guy. You'all could have made dough on
this one.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And you didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Because you didn't, you didn't bet with us anyway. The
Japanese strong style with chicks makes matches so much cooler
to me than the regular style. When it looks like
people are just beating the shit out of each other,
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those are my favorite matches. Like Jeff likes the big
meaty guys when they're just like, oh it's the it's
Godzilla versus King Kong, right, And I like more like
street choreography, like that you would see in a movie,
like in a fight scene, like like whatever your favorite
movie is. And these chi beat each other's ass for
(17:02):
fifteen minutes straight. And it looked like she punched her
right in the frigging mouth in the head butt looked
like it hit her right in the same spot. Dude,
I know it's a safe move, and I know I'm
just I can't see it because her hair gets in
the way. But that shit looked so legit, man, And
I just love when people beat each other's ass, whether
it's in the UFC and whether it's chicks, whether it's
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dudes or whatever. Man, I just like fights, and it
looked like a fight, So I really like the match.
It probably isn't anybody's match of the night, and I'm
not trying to sell anybody on it, but I just
like when people punch each other in the face.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I very often criticize female and it's because I'm just honest.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm going to say what I like and say what
I don't like. This match was great.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think Maria May is obviously you know she's she's
not underrated, she's not overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think she's perfectly rated. Like Maria May is getting
the respect and the yeah, she's a future star. I think, yeah, yeah,
she's very very very good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But I think that I think that the world is
not being positive enough about Willow Nightingale. I think we
see her because she's because she's such a face and
she smiles and she's doing such a good job of
being the good guy wrestler that we're not giving enough credit.
I think she's she should have like a Bailey moment
where people realize, like, this chick is really good. Every
one of Willow's moves during this match, I was like
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it was convincing. It was like it was very like
there was no it wasn't a clunky, it wasn't so slow.
She's very strong, but Willow Nightingale looks strong and she
does feats of strength. The punches are convincing, like she's
playing her face right, like the face role perfectly, where
she smiles after she does like a little splash like
(18:42):
she's I think my.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
New favorite female wrestler in AW.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I've always liked will and night Guil, but like, after
watching this match, I was like, dude, she's really really good.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So you said something really wild there. She needs a
Bailey type storyline. Yeah, you're dead on with that. That's
exactly what she needs to kind of finish off that
character and help elevate her to the next level. So
(19:12):
truth be told. I'm like Instagram bros with Willow. We
follow each other and we've sent each other some messages
like back and forth, like Yo, that match was awesome,
and she's like, oh my god, I like the Horror
movie and then we like bonded on video games, like
she's super cool. So I like her a lot, and
I think everything you just said about her is so
(19:32):
dead on. And if she's somebody out there at AEW's
got to be listening. I know they I don't know
if they have a creation good or not. But for real,
she just needs a Bailey type storyline to help evolve
that character and get her to the next level. Because
she's she's pretty, she can talk a bit. Her wrestling
super duper good. She sells super big, and like Jeff said,
(19:53):
she is strong. She can handle the smaller girls, and
she makes them look good when they do all their
spinning and flipping and wild ass like Luke shit. So yeah, dude,
I love what you just said about Willow because I
think she's really cool man. And I love when people
make the punches look real. I mean maybe they are
and they're just way tougher than me, because I would
let anybody. Yeah, I wouldn't. I would never do that.
(20:14):
Be like, nah, I'll keep my face looking the way
it is. But uh yeah bled last week. Willow bled
from the mouth last week from one of those hipputts.
It looked so real, man. Anyway, I will wax poetic
no longer. Next up the Champ, the TNT Champ that
is Jack Perry no longer Jungle Boy. Jungle Boy's freaking dead.
Jack Perry, the Man's got a beard and a hairy chest.
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Versus Katsuyori Shibata, the wrestler. No hair on that man's chest,
and he can still take a chop or a kick,
and no seller like nobody's business because he's all man.
And they finally and he communicates through a language translator,
which is awesome. I love that gimmick. I think it's
like what the top three gimmicks at. Aw but he
was awesome. He's always awesome. I like how they handle
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the language barrier. This was not a big story. This
was just, hey, I want to challenge you, and Jack
Perry going, I'll think about it, and then Jack Perry
sneaking back in beat you up. Okay, let's have a match.
I think he can handle more of a story than that.
But I get why he didn't get a story bigger
than that, and I get why he couldn't win the match,
because the story is with Jack Perry, because that kid
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is evolving and getting better and better with each kind
of pay per view that they do, and evolving his
character I think in a cool way too. So I
was wanting him to get rid of junk of Boy
a long time ago, and it was awesome when he
did so. Anyway, that said, they had this match which
led which was an awesome match, but it led to
and we all picked Jack.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Perry, by the way, so if you picked with us,
you made dough.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But it led to Ryan Garcia coming out and making
a say because Jack Perry is like to beat you
up after I beat you, so now you got to
deal with the double beating. And Ryan Garcia said, I'm
from Buffalo, bitch, I don't think so, and he came out.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They didn't say that, but he.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Came out out, and then he's chasing Jack Perry out
of there, and then here comes MJF. But again, this
is not the return that we're gonna talk about. MJF
comes out, he starts talking some smack to Ryan Garcia.
He beats Ryan Garcia down. He's got his ring back.
He found it at the pawn shop. Wow, that's fortunate
that no one bought it. And he punches He's gonna
you're gonna kiss the ring, you son of a bitch,
(22:21):
You're gonna kiss it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He punches him in the head and beats him down,
and here we go, Jeff, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Adam Cole, baby, and it was the return of Adam Cole,
who put on some muscles, so much muscle he could
hardly even get out of his leather jacket. When he
came out, the sleeves got stuck because arms are bigger
than they used to be. He was in good shape
he came out. He spread it to the ring. But
I think that that wardrobe malfunction gave MJF enough time
to get out of the ring and run. I thought
(22:49):
the last time I saw Adam Cole he was the
devil and a bad guy on him.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Jaff was a good guy.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But Mjf's such a son of a bitch for being
jealous of Will Osprey and everybody else in the company
that we love Adam Cole now because Adam Cole to
make the save and he didn't turn on Garcia for
a second.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, is he gonna be the dell?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
No, okay, he's a nice guy and we all love
Adam Cole again, and here is hoping to to his
health because I love watching this dude wrestle, and I
love this dude's frigging promos, their top top top shelf promos,
and I loved that he came back to pro wrestling
and is healthy and good. Jeff, what did you think
you could.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Talk about any of the match or whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't care. I just thought it was a cool
re debut for Adam Cole. Baby, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I was often surprised and confused that Adam Cole wasn't
more over with the fans, so it was good to
see maybe this could start some momentum for him. You know,
people went crazy when they heard his music, great selling
as always by MJF to be like, what are you
doing here? Also MJF, it looks like something was different,
(23:55):
Like he looks strange and it's just because he clean
shaved and just that like Little Switch made MJFF look
like completely different to me.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They don't have the scruff. But that's a really weird
thing to comment. No, yeahs like Wolverine strus something I noticed.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, it's very strange, but I'm super excited about it,
and I think this is gonna be perfect. I'm excited
to see what they do with Adam Cole. But it
does seem like everyone's excited that he's he's back, So
that part, that part I was very happy about.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It made me pop more than the Swerve thing. I
was like, I was like.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is gonna be a
long story. These two guys are both A plus storytellers.
This isn't gonna be one of these like two three
week stories like it was with with Osprey and and Max.
This is gonna be long because Max is going to
have his side of the story, which is you betrayed me,
you set me up, you son of a bitch. And
Adam Cole is gonna have his side of the story
(24:46):
that we're yet to hear, and that promo will be
awesome because it'll be story time with Uncle Adam.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I can't I can't wait to see it play out.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
It's because you're gonna We're gonna get more than I
think one pay per view match out of it. We
got the AEW International Championship match. Kanaski Takeshita with Don Kallis,
(25:16):
who is in the last year become a pretty damn
good manager, especially with his commentary versus will Ospray the.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Champ, the Champ of Champs. Man.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This guy is so good, everybody loves him, doesn't have
one hater except m Jeff and Ricochet, who is new
to AEW, can wrestle his ass off, has already kind
of demonstrated his skills and if you're not familiar with
him because you hate WW and you only like aw
now you get to see all this awesomeness, or you're like, dude, whatever,
we watched him in an MJPW before you even knew
(25:46):
he was all right, fine whatever, jerks. Anyway, they wrestled.
I could hear what they were saying, Jeff, this match
is match of the night. This shit was so crazy,
so awesome. Conna SKay was like exactly what you wanted
him to be. The big strong guy who's going to
beat the shit out of both of them every once
(26:06):
in a while, and then they'll do all their flying,
crazy lucha moves on him because he's so big and strong,
he can do it with both guys on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He's a stut.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I picked Osprey, Jeff pick Ricochet, and our producer picked
to Keshita because he's a gangster and he saw it
coming and he was perfect again. I know, I shot
upon him in the pre show because I perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was surprised by this dude. How did he get it?
We don't know, We don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He's got inside information. He's got Tony Kann on his
cell phone. We know that we know that they went
to college together for hours and they were roommates, and
you know, we don't know what promises were made, all right,
Next up Prince Nana.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yes it's my favorite.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Welcome back Swerve Strickland. And let me say this, since
MVP has gotten on the scene, they have given Prince
not a chance to shine. I thought that backstage bit
where he was ready to put his wrestling boots on
and fight MVP right there, I thought he looked great
in that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I think this has been a big operation.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Even though he's kind of getting he's been getting poo
pooed on by MVP, it's given him a chance to
stand up for himself and demonstrate how valuable he is.
And Swerve just confirms like all of it in this
beautiful promo that if you haven't watched, you could probably
just watch on social media. And he talks about the
good times and the bad times, and right when he says,
(27:30):
goes into the bad times and the failure. So I
was like, he wouldn't put him on blast like that.
Now he's siding with the Prince because he's gonna stay
with the guy that's been with him through the good
times and the bad times. Family stays with you through
both and he doesn't turn us back off family, and
MVP is like whoa, whoa, whoa hold on And then
Shelton Benjamin's like, no, no, no, you got it, twisted man.
(27:51):
We're not asking you, We're telling you that you're either
with us or you don't exist, like we will destroy you,
and Swerves just put these dudes over like, yo, you're
my inspirations, Like you guys are the man, and then
he digs him a little bit, but I still got
you in that match. Don't forget that that kind of shit.
This is the return of the Hurt Business. I can't wait.
(28:13):
Bobby Lashley is on his way. That's what this means,
y'all is Bobby Lashley is on his way. Samoa Joe's
already there, and we could get a mainstream version of
the Hurt Business, which MVP has discussed, which is all
they kind of took away from him and put it
on the bloodline, so now they can have their version
of this, and once Bobby Lashley comes, it'll solidify everything
(28:35):
and a match between Swerved Strickland if Bobby Lashley is coming,
and I'm so freaking hyped to see the smaller, faster
dude go against like the perfect specimen that God ever made,
and he still looks exactly the same as when he
first entered the WWE over twenty years ago, like nothing's
changed on his body. He legit is just made from
(28:56):
synthetic materials and is an android walking amongst us, which
is proof that there's time travel because they send him
back like a term. This was a great segment. Man,
MVP is the truth on the microphone. He makes Nana
look better on the microphone. They now have don Kallis,
who's doing money work on the microphone. I want to
know who the next great female manager is going to be.
(29:18):
I know she's out there somewhere. I don't know if
it's WWE or AEW, but there's got to be room
for another great This can be like a renaissance of
managers at aw Man. They've got three now that can
literally build stables and speak for their talent if they
need to and if not. They're just a great character
to get heat on, especially with don Kallis because he
(29:39):
can he'll take bumps.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
That fool has a scart on his head to prove it.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
But I was so excited this was a segment there
wasn't even wrestling, and I was so hyped for this,
and I can't wait to see where they're going to
go because Swerve will beat Shelton straight up. There'll be
some beat downs on Swerve, but in the match, Swerve's
gonna win that match. And that's when I think Bobby
Lash is going to come and just kill Swerve strictly,
and then we'll have to climb back them up the mountain.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What do you think, Jeff, Welcome back Swerve. I love
what they're doing. I love the writing. I love this story.
But here's a little Jeff Due rant for you. Bring
back managers, make managers great again. We need to really
wrestling needs to invest time, writing, money and airtime. Two
(30:28):
more managers. So in the old days, like long before
I was watching wrestling, like I saw reel of it Instagra.
I saw reel on Instagram recently of La Macho Man's
first match in I guess it was WWF, And what
happened was that nobody had seen Macho man a a
person like Machra Man with the headband and the glasses
(30:49):
of the way he was behaving in the ring, and
this is his first match, like he's doing these elbow drops,
He's doing this great match. He beats the bad guy
so soundly that all the managers came from the back,
Classy Freddie Blassie and Jimmy Hart, and they're all like
almost cartoonishly looking at Macho Man, going wow, They're all
taking a peek at him because this could be the
(31:10):
new talent that they want, right they really that story
was really showing that, like the managers are who who
decide kind of in wrestling who is and who isn't wrestling.
Managers have become this side thing now that they kind
of just throw with a wrestler if the wrestler can't
talk or something. But we've seen proof. Prince Nana used
(31:30):
to be a wrestler, not a very successful one, but
he used to be a wrestler and now he's a
genius manager. Don Kallas was a wrestler forever and guess what,
I've watched wrestl in my whole life. I knew nothing
about him until he became a manager. Paul Hayman is
a g exception. He gets the airtime, he gets the
(31:51):
Paul Hamon Schef's kiss. This guy is one of the
greatest managers ever, one of the greatest talkers ever, and
really makes a wrestler pop.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I think if we could find a way to
make wrestlers as important as they once were supposed to
be in wrestling, we can have you know, we can
have these things. We have female wrestlers, we have male wrestlers,
we have managers, and then we have the story, and
so you kind of marry all those things together. I
think managers are.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wildly important and wildly under executed, but they can be
really valuable. Look at MVP, no disrespect, but MVP wasn't
a big a list wrestler. He was a wrestler and
he was good, but he wasn't like the guy that
everybody you know wanted to see main event WrestleMania with
the Rock. But he's proving to be super valuable as
(32:39):
a manager, and so I think we need to see
a lot more of this. The second I saw Nana
come out do his little dance and get out like
it was great, and so I think that managers shouldn't
just be this thing that are put with people that
can't talk.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We need to make managers a huge part of the story.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
We could not agree more sir, Next up, Darby Allen
brody King. We all picked this easy match. Yep, Darby Allen,
crazy easy pick, easy money for you guys to make.
You probably didn't even need our advice on this one.
You were like, we got it too. We all agree,
excellent pick. Moving on the Ring of Honor World Championship match,
(33:16):
Mark Brisco the champ versus Chris Jericho looking to become
the Nueve. Alex and Freddie both picked Jericho because we
thought it was a sure thing. Jeff, just to be different,
picked Mark Brisco and was correct. It's like putting se
down and the multiple choice questions always go with C
(33:36):
all the way down the line. Jeff threw a sea
in there and it hit. He hit the lotto and
he won, which put him ahead of me at the end,
which suck. And finally I did it. Yeah, that's why
you did it. The John Moxley match with Brian Danielson.
I picked Brian. I picked with my heart. I warned
you guys, I warned myself not to do it before
I did it. I still did it. I was dead wrong.
(33:58):
I shouldn't have been wrong. I would have had four
We talked about this match at length. We won't get
into it anymore. But the final scores of this pay
per view was your boy Freddie with three producer Alex
went perfect again and.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Jeff with five five five picks.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So Jeff, because our producer wanted me to lie, he
loses a point, You're the big winner with five. He
does not tie you. It's a it's a solo victory.
No ties on this show. That's the show. This rarely happens.
This never happens to me. As far as these kind
of things, I'm gonna start gambling. I'm gonna start gambling.
I'm good taking.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It all, baby, I'm lucky now.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Jeff and I are gonna start gambling careers.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Any casinos out there they want to sponsor us, hit
us up on the CELLI.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And like it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
That was Jeff Freddie Brenn's Thanks for listening. Stay tuned
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Speaker 2 (34:55):
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I think that the world is not being positive enough
about Willow Nightingale. I think we see her because she's
because she's such a face as she smiles, and she's
doing such a good job of being the good guy
wrestler that we're not giving enough credits. I think she
should have like a Bailey moment where people realize, like,
this chick is really good.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
And now you're mad.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
Even introducing ghosts wrestling Win Forreddy, Jeff Died and for
Ready Friends tunor what's up?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Everybody?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Welcome to a brand new episode, a sad, sad episode
of wrestling with Freddy because it was the end of
a career, Jeff, and it not only broke my heart,
but it broke my pocketbook too. We're gonna get into
that and everything else in a minute, but first off,
we'll tell you about the week weekend. How we're doing. Jeff,
you have a lovely jacket as the weather cools to
(01:01):
keep you warm. I thought it was a vest, but
you you explained it to me, but it could be
a cool la and I vest. I'm just saying, how
is your weekend, sir? Weekend was good.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
It is getting colder here in Los Angeles, the rest
of Earth doesn't want to hear us complain about sixty
five degrees winter.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, oh it's freezing. I gotta put on my north face.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Fleet me too, I'm talking about I have been rocking
vests lately because of you, and because of our pridisier Alex,
and because of La Night. I'm feeling very vest You're
feeling very vesty lately.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
I love it. But so this isn't one. But just
since you mentioned it, I wanted to let everyone know
you will.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Be seeing me in more vests. Oh yeah, it's because
you got balls, bro, That's why I'm big. I love
balls to rock the vest, all.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Right, cowboys wear them. You know a lot of You're
the last cowboy, You're the last cold. Yeah, with the
last vest. My weekend was good. I didn't get to
watch Wrestle Dream Live. I was at Disneyland, the happiest
place on earth if you're twelve or maybe like fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
My daughter's fifteen, so yes, it's still cool that she
she does.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Yeah, she likes the rides. She doesn't care about the
princesses and all that stuff. She just wants to go
on the rides and see if like is tower of
Terror or now it's the Avengers Tower. I don't know,
the one that goes up and down. She was like,
I want to see if it's scarier after two pm,
like they said, and it was.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Sometimes a girl at that age is already like over
everything and just wants to like talk to her friends
or be on the phone or something. But like she
likes it. She still enjoys Disney.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
You know, she likes rides. She's going to Horror Nights.
We're going to knots Berry Farm, which has way like
more hardcore adult rides that do like tons of flips,
more my speed. But Disney is still cool. Man, Like,
the kids had a blast and they were super good
to us. We did that host thing again that oh nice, yeah,
oh yeah, you guys hate it, but man, without it,
(02:49):
I would have been a pinball and a pinball machine
jack with people going.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Hey is that? Wait?
Speaker 5 (02:54):
No, that's not hey is that? And I was like, well,
I just want to kill out run. They only hate it.
They only hate it because they ain't it. That's what's
going on. If everyone could do the guide that they
do it.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We had. She was the nicest lady. Her name was
Haley Shout out to Haley. She was so good to
my kids.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
And another family was there with us with their baby,
and their baby had guts.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Man.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The baby was only eight years old or eight years
eight months old and was going on like every ride
you're allowed to bring a baby on, and didn't cry once.
She was laughing eight months eight months, So like the
Peter Pan rides and all these like things that are
safe for her to be on, they can bring her
on as long as they're holding her. We even went
on like this one that was like a goofy train
(03:35):
ride thing.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
And I don't remember the name of the ride. Sorry.
I also don't read the title pages of my script,
so I'm not like crapping on right now.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
But yeah, she went on everything rides where I was like, oh,
my freaking neck, and she's.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Like, ah, I didn't even know you could gangs.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
I need to google eight months old. I didn't even
I don't know what eight months looks like. But I
would have never guessed that they could be on a
ride bigger than a bread box, bigger than a bread box.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Wild.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
But they're not like running around and stuff like that.
All right, you guys, you heard enough about our bullshit.
Just catching up with us. Yeah, just catching up. It's
time to talk some wrestling. Wrestle dream for your boy.
Freddie was a wrestle nightmare. My picks were not good.
But if you're a listener of the show and you
(04:20):
have the discerning taste that we know you do, you
know that when you listen to the show and you
follow these shows picks, we're more right than we are wrong,
and sometimes we're perfect. And in this case, you like, well, yeah,
until the end, okay, but who cares? You got your
picks wrong, but you liked it. No, But I was
sad that Danielson lost. Here's what's awesome is he totally
(04:42):
lost and went out on his terms the way he
wanted to go out, and it was such like an
old school way, like when a wrestler would leave a
territory and everyone would attack him and you know, beat
his ass out of there. So that in that regard
it felt cool and was awesome. But Brian was one
of my favorite guys.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Dude.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Brian was one of the first guys that ever came
to my little like acting class when I worked at WWE,
Like when everyone else was shitting all over and it
was like I'm not gonna fucking go to that. It
was like him, Miss and Nemath were like the three
first dudes that showed up, and he was so frigging
cool and was like he wasn't like, hey, I'm here,
(05:23):
let's learn. He was like, I'm gonna see if you're legit,
if you actually care, or if you're just here to
you know, party with Vince and try to sleep with
divas and all that kind of stuff. Right, And well,
you know, that's how they looked at Hollywood, like that's
how they wanted hot. They really wanted to keep Hollywood
out of there, because that's that's was their perception of it,
(05:45):
right or wrong.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
But with me, they were wrong. I was, well, Wrestling's
always been the circus and Hollywood's always been Hollywood, and
so I imagine.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
Yeah, they don't like outsiders in there. So a lot
of a lot of cats made me earn it, which
was okay, and he was one of them. But once
he saw that, I was like, I actually cared about
these these guys and girls, and I wanted to see,
you know, help make their dreams come true and see
good things happen for him. And you know, I'd even
talk to him just if they were having a bad day,
if I had time, and once he kind of saw
(06:13):
that he was so cool and started like telling other
like young wrestlers, like no, it's not it's not bullshit,
Like he's actually trying to help us. So I have
I have like a and we're not friends, like I
don't have his number or anything like that. But I
just always respected that about him, and I always liked
him extra because of that. So when I saw him
become champion, despite the fact the company did not have
(06:34):
a plan to make him champion, that was the people
that made that with their yes chant to see him
accomplish all the things he accomplished and then have it
all taken away because they didn't want him to wrestle
anymore because they didn't want to be liable for a
lawsuit later in life, which was the only reason why
in my in my view, that they would do something
like that. So he goes to another company, helps build
(06:55):
that company, wasn't one of the wasn't the first guy there,
but was there in the early times, helped build it
to what it is now, gave some phenomenal matches, and
got to go out on his terms. All that sounds great,
except I really like watching him wrestle, so that story
sucks for me. I don't want him to be I
don't want him to be gone.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
But don't you think there's so many more things to respect,
like you know, like as far as like sure, we
won't get to see him, but he did make a
multiple claims that he's doing this for his family. He's
doing it for his kids or kid daughter. I think
he's doing it hour two or one. Yeah, he definitely
he's doing it for his kid, he's doing it for
his wife, he's doing it for his body. Right, like
(07:36):
a lot of wrestlers, maybe we should have seen it
a little earlier, and you guys.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
Did I'm the one that turned a blind eye. You
guys explained this in your pick like I also like
list well, well, yeah, you're betting with what you want.
But I will say, like I also predicted it last week.
He'll be back. He'll be back. He's they don't go anywhere,
so it's fine.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Even when he had that neck injury and they wasn't
cleared to wrestle, we saw him every week for years.
With that, you know, they found a way to put
him in wrestling somehow. So wrestling is too much a
part of this guy for him to disappear. We'll still
see him.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Yeah, you're right, you're right. Well, let's just keep talking
about the main event. Then we can get into the
other matches as time allows. He lost the match abruptly
in a rear naked choke. Moxley didn't have his feet
hooked in the in the hips. He could have gotten
his ankle turned the way he had that foot grip.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
But that's okay, that's all right. It was pro wrestling,
not jiu jitsu.
Speaker 4 (08:40):
Brian didn't see the ankle locked there, that's all right,
and he got choked out unconscious, and then, of course,
because it's going to be an old school finish and
they're going to run the guy out, they all tried
to murder Brian Danielson a second time until help finally
came and arrived in the form of Wheeler Judah and
Darby Allen, who wrestled earlier that night and had brutal,
(09:00):
freaking match. Man, that dude is built like Gumby. I
swear to god, man, it's the only way he's able
to do that. They came out, they got beat down,
private party. Another team that gave a hell of a
match and a great ending, man like when the dude
broke down. We can get into that later if you want.
But they came out, man, they got beat up. It
took everybody and their grandma to come out there and
(09:23):
help Wheeler Uda.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Son of a bitch.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
You turned on him, He turned on Brian Danielson, You
tried to murder him too. All he ever did was
look out for you, son of a bitch, And then
they finally got him out of there on a freaking stretcher,
which is an awesome, slash horrible way to go out.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
I was just sad mess the end of a I
know you, like you said, and you're dead right, You're
He's gonna come back. He'll be in a match here,
He'll be in a match there like every five years.
But it's just you know, he I think he's one
of the greats, right, But also what if?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
What if?
Speaker 1 (09:57):
What what if he comes back next week?
Speaker 2 (10:01):
And it was like, do you know what I'm saying?
What if he comes back? He's he goes? Really you
guys thought I was gonna leave on a stretcher.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
No, you've lit a fire under my ass and Brian
Danison is back. Nobody, nobody turns on me like that,
you know, just completely swarm everybody as far as like yeah,
that would.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Be the biggest ever.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
That's like Barbara streisand retiring and then being like, all right,
I'm done with the business, and the very next week
announcing a tour, the Yeah World Tour, which w I.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
Need to remind wrestling fans of Michael Jordan, Brett farre
Tom Brady. How often do we see someone go I'd
say it, I'm calling it, write your little cute Facebook
post about how much you'll miss me, then bat a boom.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
The next month they're right back at it. Well, I
secretly hope you're right or yeah, that happens.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Yeah. Also, the Blackpool Combat Club is so rad. There're
so me dude, They're dicks.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
I've never loved anything the way I love it, the
way John Moxley has reinvented himself and like the earring,
the bald head, the all black, the way they're just
coming out there saying listen, just being like you know what,
I never got my flowers, I've never gotten my respect
the way I should. And I'm done tap dancing for
Vince McMahon. I'm done tap dancing for Tony Kahan. We're
(11:26):
gonna go out there and we're gonna show everyone that
we're the best. No frills, no gimmicks, no costume in music,
which we love, costume of music. I'm not criticizing any
of that, but it's these guys who have just said,
enough's enough, Vendetta ride, let's go. And I think they're
the coolest thing that's in wrestling right now.
Speaker 4 (11:44):
Yeah, they're badass, but they're jerks. Man beat up and
Daniel Brian or Brian Danison like that. That's some bullshit,
but whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think everyone can identify with that though, and not
getting their flowers and then being like, I'm gonna take
my flower.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's what you're clicking with that, that's what it is.
They found so something that you could like genuinely click
with and now you can ride or die with them. See,
that's why wrestling's cool. Man, They'll find something like that.
I've gotten flowers before. Man, they die.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
That is true. They flowers don't last long. They're pretty,
but they don't last long.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
You know.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Back of the day, they used to do these things
called like I don't know if they still do it
like the Nickelodeon Awards or they and the.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Kids give you a big surfboar. Yeah, surfboards.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
So I had one like a bunch of those surf
I don't know, like three or four or five something
like that. I gave them away to some to some kid,
like the very next day. They were in the back
of my truck and I was going surfing on a
real surfboard. You couldn't surf on those. And I had
driven myself to the event, like I was the only
dag ass that like didn't get a limousine. I was like, man,
(12:56):
I just want to drive myself so I can leave
when I want to leave and not have to wait.
So I had parked in like ballet then and walked in.
Was the only asshole that did that and won those surfboards.
And some kid was like, yo, man, I saw you
on that show, and uh you won those those surfboards? Man,
are those them? You take them with you everywhere? And
I was like, no, you dig I just don't want him.
(13:19):
I forgot him in there. They're still in the car,
and he was like, dude, let me have him if
you don't care. I was like, bro, take them, and
so he took them. I don't know if he tried
to surf or not, but I don't have any of them.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Game. I love that.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
I saw one of those in Dane Cook's garage and
it was just covered in dirt and I was like, Oh,
all those other like awards and his letterman Q cards,
all that stuff is gone his office wall, but this
one's just in the garage.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
No.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
That was one of those award shows where they were like, hey,
do you want to come to the to the Teen
Choice Awards? And I said no, and they said, well
you what if we told you you won all these awards?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
And I was like, fine, I'll fucking go.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
I think I was like twenty years old, maybe twenty one, dude,
it was.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
It also might have gotten a little bit better of
placement in your home if it was not a giant surfboard.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
They were small though.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
They weren't even like a six foot or like like
you know, decapitator, which I can't surf anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
I'm forty eight years old.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
I surf a longboard, but like I used to surf
like a six to two and this was like a
five to two so it's not even a surfable board.
It just has to take up a huge space that
just goes look at me.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
And I don't. I don't want that in my house.
Too big for a bookshelf. Still, some guy probably turned
it into modern arts somewhere in Venice.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Man.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
It's it probably looks sweet until it got burnt up
and sold or something. I'm going to find it. I'm
going to find out the internet. It's going to go
in my house, all right, dude.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Former guest of the show, Mariah May the Champion say
that again, the champ. She's not losing this belt for
a long ass time, not until Australia against Tony Storm
against Willow Nightingale. Now, see, our producer wants us to
say that he was wrong on this one because he
had picked Britt Baker. But Britt Baker got sick. She
(15:07):
had strep throat, which I used to get as a
kid all the time. And then I had puberty and boom,
never got sick again. Well that's not true. I got
sick a few times, but rarely get sick. It's puberty.
But anyway, he wants you to believe that, oh, he
made a mistake and pick Brett Baker. No, he did not,
And I'm not going to lie on this show. I'm
a dealer of truth, Jeff. I'm always good man. I
(15:28):
always deal from the top of the deck, so our
honorable man.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
But I'll say it, Alex got this wrong. What a
stupid idiot? Can you believe he didn't even predict that
Britt Baker will get strep throat. What a dumb dumb
We all like that, you like the Blackpool Combat Club.
He just unnecessarily cruel. Look, man, we knew Mariah this.
If you if you didn't listen to me on this one,
(15:53):
shame on you. But everyone and our grandma knew who
was going to win this match. If this was a
betable match on whatever sites are out there that you
can bet on, and you didn't bet it, that's a mistake.
That's a big time mistake. This was a lock. This
was a guarantee. This was like to us telling you
Damian Priest was gonna beat Finn Balor, like these are
they're gonna be sure things. I should tell you guys,
(16:14):
I did even say it was a sure thing. So
just remember that guy. You'all could have made dough on
this one.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
And you didn't.
Speaker 4 (16:20):
Because you didn't, you didn't bet with us anyway. The
Japanese strong style with chicks makes matches so much cooler
to me than the regular style. When it looks like
people are just beating the shit out of each other,
(16:41):
those are my favorite matches. Like Jeff likes the big
meaty guys when they're just like, oh it's the it's
Godzilla versus King Kong, right, And I like more like
street choreography, like that you would see in a movie,
like in a fight scene, like like whatever your favorite
movie is. And these chi beat each other's ass for
(17:02):
fifteen minutes straight. And it looked like she punched her
right in the frigging mouth in the head butt looked
like it hit her right in the same spot. Dude,
I know it's a safe move, and I know I'm
just I can't see it because her hair gets in
the way. But that shit looked so legit, man, And
I just love when people beat each other's ass, whether
it's in the UFC and whether it's chicks, whether it's
(17:22):
dudes or whatever. Man, I just like fights, and it
looked like a fight, So I really like the match.
It probably isn't anybody's match of the night, and I'm
not trying to sell anybody on it, but I just
like when people punch each other in the face.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I very often criticize female and it's because I'm just honest.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
I'm going to say what I like and say what
I don't like. This match was great.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
I think Maria May is obviously you know she's she's
not underrated, she's not overrated.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
I think she's perfectly rated. Like Maria May is getting
the respect and the yeah, she's a future star. I think, yeah, yeah,
she's very very very good. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But I think that I think that the world is
not being positive enough about Willow Nightingale. I think we
see her because she's because she's such a face and
she smiles and she's doing such a good job of
being the good guy wrestler that we're not giving enough credit.
I think she's she should have like a Bailey moment
where people realize, like, this chick is really good. Every
one of Willow's moves during this match, I was like
(18:20):
it was convincing. It was like it was very like
there was no it wasn't a clunky, it wasn't so slow.
She's very strong, but Willow Nightingale looks strong and she
does feats of strength. The punches are convincing, like she's
playing her face right, like the face role perfectly, where
she smiles after she does like a little splash like
(18:42):
she's I think my.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
New favorite female wrestler in AW.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
I've always liked will and night Guil, but like, after
watching this match, I was like, dude, she's really really good.
Speaker 4 (18:51):
So you said something really wild there. She needs a
Bailey type storyline. Yeah, you're dead on with that. That's
exactly what she needs to kind of finish off that
character and help elevate her to the next level. So
(19:12):
truth be told. I'm like Instagram bros with Willow. We
follow each other and we've sent each other some messages
like back and forth, like Yo, that match was awesome,
and she's like, oh my god, I like the Horror
movie and then we like bonded on video games, like
she's super cool. So I like her a lot, and
I think everything you just said about her is so
(19:32):
dead on. And if she's somebody out there at AEW's
got to be listening. I know they I don't know
if they have a creation good or not. But for real,
she just needs a Bailey type storyline to help evolve
that character and get her to the next level. Because
she's she's pretty, she can talk a bit. Her wrestling
super duper good. She sells super big, and like Jeff said,
(19:53):
she is strong. She can handle the smaller girls, and
she makes them look good when they do all their
spinning and flipping and wild ass like Luke shit. So yeah, dude,
I love what you just said about Willow because I
think she's really cool man. And I love when people
make the punches look real. I mean maybe they are
and they're just way tougher than me, because I would
let anybody. Yeah, I wouldn't. I would never do that.
(20:14):
Be like, nah, I'll keep my face looking the way
it is. But uh yeah bled last week. Willow bled
from the mouth last week from one of those hipputts.
It looked so real, man. Anyway, I will wax poetic
no longer. Next up the Champ, the TNT Champ that
is Jack Perry no longer Jungle Boy. Jungle Boy's freaking dead.
Jack Perry, the Man's got a beard and a hairy chest.
(20:37):
Versus Katsuyori Shibata, the wrestler. No hair on that man's chest,
and he can still take a chop or a kick,
and no seller like nobody's business because he's all man.
And they finally and he communicates through a language translator,
which is awesome. I love that gimmick. I think it's
like what the top three gimmicks at. Aw but he
was awesome. He's always awesome. I like how they handle
(21:01):
the language barrier. This was not a big story. This
was just, hey, I want to challenge you, and Jack
Perry going, I'll think about it, and then Jack Perry
sneaking back in beat you up. Okay, let's have a match.
I think he can handle more of a story than that.
But I get why he didn't get a story bigger
than that, and I get why he couldn't win the match,
because the story is with Jack Perry, because that kid
(21:22):
is evolving and getting better and better with each kind
of pay per view that they do, and evolving his
character I think in a cool way too. So I
was wanting him to get rid of junk of Boy
a long time ago, and it was awesome when he
did so. Anyway, that said, they had this match which
led which was an awesome match, but it led to
and we all picked Jack.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Perry, by the way, so if you picked with us,
you made dough.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
But it led to Ryan Garcia coming out and making
a say because Jack Perry is like to beat you
up after I beat you, so now you got to
deal with the double beating. And Ryan Garcia said, I'm
from Buffalo, bitch, I don't think so, and he came out.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
They didn't say that, but he.
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Came out out, and then he's chasing Jack Perry out
of there, and then here comes MJF. But again, this
is not the return that we're gonna talk about. MJF
comes out, he starts talking some smack to Ryan Garcia.
He beats Ryan Garcia down. He's got his ring back.
He found it at the pawn shop. Wow, that's fortunate
that no one bought it. And he punches He's gonna
you're gonna kiss the ring, you son of a bitch,
(22:21):
You're gonna kiss it.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
He punches him in the head and beats him down,
and here we go, Jeff, it's.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Adam Cole, baby, and it was the return of Adam Cole,
who put on some muscles, so much muscle he could
hardly even get out of his leather jacket. When he
came out, the sleeves got stuck because arms are bigger
than they used to be. He was in good shape
he came out. He spread it to the ring. But
I think that that wardrobe malfunction gave MJF enough time
to get out of the ring and run. I thought
(22:49):
the last time I saw Adam Cole he was the
devil and a bad guy on him.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Jaff was a good guy.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
But Mjf's such a son of a bitch for being
jealous of Will Osprey and everybody else in the company
that we love Adam Cole now because Adam Cole to
make the save and he didn't turn on Garcia for
a second.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I was like, is he gonna be the dell?
Speaker 4 (23:05):
No, okay, he's a nice guy and we all love
Adam Cole again, and here is hoping to to his
health because I love watching this dude wrestle, and I
love this dude's frigging promos, their top top top shelf promos,
and I loved that he came back to pro wrestling
and is healthy and good. Jeff, what did you think
you could.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Talk about any of the match or whatever you want.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
I don't care. I just thought it was a cool
re debut for Adam Cole. Baby, I loved it.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
I was often surprised and confused that Adam Cole wasn't
more over with the fans, so it was good to
see maybe this could start some momentum for him. You know,
people went crazy when they heard his music, great selling
as always by MJF to be like, what are you
doing here? Also MJF, it looks like something was different,
(23:55):
Like he looks strange and it's just because he clean
shaved and just that like Little Switch made MJFF look
like completely different to me.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
They don't have the scruff. But that's a really weird
thing to comment. No, yeahs like Wolverine strus something I noticed.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, it's very strange, but I'm super excited about it,
and I think this is gonna be perfect. I'm excited
to see what they do with Adam Cole. But it
does seem like everyone's excited that he's he's back, So
that part, that part I was very happy about.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
It made me pop more than the Swerve thing. I
was like, I was like.
Speaker 4 (24:25):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, this is gonna be a
long story. These two guys are both A plus storytellers.
This isn't gonna be one of these like two three
week stories like it was with with Osprey and and Max.
This is gonna be long because Max is going to
have his side of the story, which is you betrayed me,
you set me up, you son of a bitch. And
Adam Cole is gonna have his side of the story
(24:46):
that we're yet to hear, and that promo will be
awesome because it'll be story time with Uncle Adam.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
I can't I can't wait to see it play out.
Speaker 4 (24:53):
It's because you're gonna We're gonna get more than I
think one pay per view match out of it. We
got the AEW International Championship match. Kanaski Takeshita with Don Kallis,
(25:16):
who is in the last year become a pretty damn
good manager, especially with his commentary versus will Ospray the.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Champ, the Champ of Champs. Man.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
This guy is so good, everybody loves him, doesn't have
one hater except m Jeff and Ricochet, who is new
to AEW, can wrestle his ass off, has already kind
of demonstrated his skills and if you're not familiar with
him because you hate WW and you only like aw
now you get to see all this awesomeness, or you're like, dude, whatever,
we watched him in an MJPW before you even knew
(25:46):
he was all right, fine whatever, jerks. Anyway, they wrestled.
I could hear what they were saying, Jeff, this match
is match of the night. This shit was so crazy,
so awesome. Conna SKay was like exactly what you wanted
him to be. The big strong guy who's going to
beat the shit out of both of them every once
(26:06):
in a while, and then they'll do all their flying,
crazy lucha moves on him because he's so big and strong,
he can do it with both guys on his shoulders.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
He's a stut.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
I picked Osprey, Jeff pick Ricochet, and our producer picked
to Keshita because he's a gangster and he saw it
coming and he was perfect again. I know, I shot
upon him in the pre show because I perfect.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
I was surprised by this dude. How did he get it?
We don't know, We don't want to know.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
He's got inside information. He's got Tony Kann on his
cell phone. We know that we know that they went
to college together for hours and they were roommates, and
you know, we don't know what promises were made, all right,
Next up Prince Nana.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yes it's my favorite.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
Welcome back Swerve Strickland. And let me say this, since
MVP has gotten on the scene, they have given Prince
not a chance to shine. I thought that backstage bit
where he was ready to put his wrestling boots on
and fight MVP right there, I thought he looked great
in that.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
I think this has been a big operation.
Speaker 4 (27:10):
Even though he's kind of getting he's been getting poo
pooed on by MVP, it's given him a chance to
stand up for himself and demonstrate how valuable he is.
And Swerve just confirms like all of it in this
beautiful promo that if you haven't watched, you could probably
just watch on social media. And he talks about the
good times and the bad times, and right when he says,
(27:30):
goes into the bad times and the failure. So I
was like, he wouldn't put him on blast like that.
Now he's siding with the Prince because he's gonna stay
with the guy that's been with him through the good
times and the bad times. Family stays with you through
both and he doesn't turn us back off family, and
MVP is like whoa, whoa, whoa hold on And then
Shelton Benjamin's like, no, no, no, you got it, twisted man.
(27:51):
We're not asking you, We're telling you that you're either
with us or you don't exist, like we will destroy you,
and Swerves just put these dudes over like, yo, you're
my inspirations, Like you guys are the man, and then
he digs him a little bit, but I still got
you in that match. Don't forget that that kind of shit.
This is the return of the Hurt Business. I can't wait.
(28:13):
Bobby Lashley is on his way. That's what this means,
y'all is Bobby Lashley is on his way. Samoa Joe's
already there, and we could get a mainstream version of
the Hurt Business, which MVP has discussed, which is all
they kind of took away from him and put it
on the bloodline, so now they can have their version
of this, and once Bobby Lashley comes, it'll solidify everything
(28:35):
and a match between Swerved Strickland if Bobby Lashley is coming,
and I'm so freaking hyped to see the smaller, faster
dude go against like the perfect specimen that God ever made,
and he still looks exactly the same as when he
first entered the WWE over twenty years ago, like nothing's
changed on his body. He legit is just made from
(28:56):
synthetic materials and is an android walking amongst us, which
is proof that there's time travel because they send him
back like a term. This was a great segment. Man,
MVP is the truth on the microphone. He makes Nana
look better on the microphone. They now have don Kallis,
who's doing money work on the microphone. I want to
know who the next great female manager is going to be.
(29:18):
I know she's out there somewhere. I don't know if
it's WWE or AEW, but there's got to be room
for another great This can be like a renaissance of
managers at aw Man. They've got three now that can
literally build stables and speak for their talent if they
need to and if not. They're just a great character
to get heat on, especially with don Kallis because he
(29:39):
can he'll take bumps.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
That fool has a scart on his head to prove it.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
But I was so excited this was a segment there
wasn't even wrestling, and I was so hyped for this,
and I can't wait to see where they're going to
go because Swerve will beat Shelton straight up. There'll be
some beat downs on Swerve, but in the match, Swerve's
gonna win that match. And that's when I think Bobby
Lash is going to come and just kill Swerve strictly,
and then we'll have to climb back them up the mountain.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
What do you think, Jeff, Welcome back Swerve. I love
what they're doing. I love the writing. I love this story.
But here's a little Jeff Due rant for you. Bring
back managers, make managers great again. We need to really
wrestling needs to invest time, writing, money and airtime. Two
(30:28):
more managers. So in the old days, like long before
I was watching wrestling, like I saw reel of it Instagra.
I saw reel on Instagram recently of La Macho Man's
first match in I guess it was WWF, And what
happened was that nobody had seen Macho man a a
person like Machra Man with the headband and the glasses
(30:49):
of the way he was behaving in the ring, and
this is his first match, like he's doing these elbow drops,
He's doing this great match. He beats the bad guy
so soundly that all the managers came from the back,
Classy Freddie Blassie and Jimmy Hart, and they're all like
almost cartoonishly looking at Macho Man, going wow, They're all
taking a peek at him because this could be the
(31:10):
new talent that they want, right they really that story
was really showing that, like the managers are who who
decide kind of in wrestling who is and who isn't wrestling.
Managers have become this side thing now that they kind
of just throw with a wrestler if the wrestler can't
talk or something. But we've seen proof. Prince Nana used
(31:30):
to be a wrestler, not a very successful one, but
he used to be a wrestler and now he's a
genius manager. Don Kallas was a wrestler forever and guess what,
I've watched wrestl in my whole life. I knew nothing
about him until he became a manager. Paul Hayman is
a g exception. He gets the airtime, he gets the
(31:51):
Paul Hamon Schef's kiss. This guy is one of the
greatest managers ever, one of the greatest talkers ever, and
really makes a wrestler pop.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
So I think if we could find a way to
make wrestlers as important as they once were supposed to
be in wrestling, we can have you know, we can
have these things. We have female wrestlers, we have male wrestlers,
we have managers, and then we have the story, and
so you kind of marry all those things together. I
think managers are.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wildly important and wildly under executed, but they can be
really valuable. Look at MVP, no disrespect, but MVP wasn't
a big a list wrestler. He was a wrestler and
he was good, but he wasn't like the guy that
everybody you know wanted to see main event WrestleMania with
the Rock. But he's proving to be super valuable as
(32:39):
a manager, and so I think we need to see
a lot more of this. The second I saw Nana
come out do his little dance and get out like
it was great, and so I think that managers shouldn't
just be this thing that are put with people that
can't talk.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
We need to make managers a huge part of the story.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
We could not agree more sir, Next up, Darby Allen
brody King. We all picked this easy match. Yep, Darby Allen,
crazy easy pick, easy money for you guys to make.
You probably didn't even need our advice on this one.
You were like, we got it too. We all agree,
excellent pick. Moving on the Ring of Honor World Championship match,
(33:16):
Mark Brisco the champ versus Chris Jericho looking to become
the Nueve. Alex and Freddie both picked Jericho because we
thought it was a sure thing. Jeff, just to be different,
picked Mark Brisco and was correct. It's like putting se
down and the multiple choice questions always go with C
(33:36):
all the way down the line. Jeff threw a sea
in there and it hit. He hit the lotto and
he won, which put him ahead of me at the end,
which suck. And finally I did it. Yeah, that's why
you did it. The John Moxley match with Brian Danielson.
I picked Brian. I picked with my heart. I warned
you guys, I warned myself not to do it before
I did it. I still did it. I was dead wrong.
(33:58):
I shouldn't have been wrong. I would have had four
We talked about this match at length. We won't get
into it anymore. But the final scores of this pay
per view was your boy Freddie with three producer Alex
went perfect again and.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Jeff with five five five picks.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
So Jeff, because our producer wanted me to lie, he
loses a point, You're the big winner with five. He
does not tie you. It's a it's a solo victory.
No ties on this show. That's the show. This rarely happens.
This never happens to me. As far as these kind
of things, I'm gonna start gambling. I'm gonna start gambling.
I'm good taking.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
It all, baby, I'm lucky now.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Jeff and I are gonna start gambling careers.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Any casinos out there they want to sponsor us, hit
us up on the CELLI.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
And like it.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
That was Jeff Freddie Brenn's Thanks for listening. Stay tuned
for on sanctioned Thursday, tomorrow, or whenever the hell you
want to listen.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
We love you guys.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
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