November 6, 2025 • 16 mins
On this episode of Unsanctioned Thursday, Producer Alex and Jeff Dye dive into one of the longest and most ongoing conversations right now regarding pro wrestling companies pricing out their casual fans. how much is too much to pay for a pro wrestling live event ticket and will this hurt live attendance in the near future.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut us about to
hit the fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to on sanction Thursday's a wrestling with Freday.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello friends, Welcome back to the show. We're here on
Unsanctioned Thursday, and I'm here with Jeff jackpot Die, the
one and only Freddy's right hand man in the show.
For the next couple of weeks, we're gonna be holding
it down. We're gonna be holding it down, and I
think that you guys are gonna enjoy what we have
(00:39):
come in. I'm gonna try my best to probably as
a producer and makeshift talent here bringing guests for us
to have on the show and make things really cool. Today, guys,
we're gonna get into what's happening. And we touched upon
this a few weeks back right here on Sanction Thursday.
But I want to kind of like come back to
(01:00):
let's talk about what's happening with us casual fans. Jeff,
maybe you could also let us know if you think
this is like hurting or what it's doing to the business.
But we're going to talk about what's happening with ticket
pricing and you know, crowds in the arena. We'll talk
about what happened is Friday night on SmackDown with an
(01:20):
arena almost halfway full, if maybe less. It was kind
of crazy to hear. But before we start, Jeff Dodgers,
what did you think about the whole series? Dodgers Toronto?
They went into super extra innings one night. I feel
bad for Don Mattingly still not getting his big chance,
you know, like, how.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Did you feel about the whole series?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, although I wasn't happy about it being the Blue
Jays and the Dodgers, that's a big part of it.
It's Blue Jays versus the Dodgers, So that's the part
I didn't like. That being said, it was a phenomenal
world series, probably one of the best world series is
in a long, long, long long time to go to
a game seven, to have so many games that were
extra innings, to have you know, busted bullpens, and then
(02:10):
making your starters come in like and then like all
of that kind of thing. We almost saw the first
ever position player to pitch in a World series because
it was just they were running out of pitchers.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
We had one game that went like six hours.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So there's just so many interesting, cool baseball things about
the World Series. However, you know the monopoly, the one percenters,
the Kings. The Dodgers win the game, and that's very
very annoying and very very frustrating. Not only did they win,
(02:42):
but they went back to back. And you might say, well,
why does that matter, Jeff who cares well? This town
claims to hate monopolies and capitalism, and then they root
for the Dodgers, who literally bought a guy for a
billion dollars. The Boston Red Sox win the World Series,
they like, we'll take your best player, Mookie Bets. And
(03:02):
then the Braves win the World Series. They go, we'll
take your best player, Freddie Freeman. And then they go, oh, also,
we'll take the best three players that have ever came
out of Japan in the last twenty years. Also, we'll
take Tyler glass Now and Blake Snell, and like, they
just literally have the most stacked team in the history
of baseball. There's never been a more expensive team and
there's never been a better assembled lineup. So for them
(03:26):
to win two years in a row feels icky.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's like sending out David and then Goliath just stomps him.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Immediately and blood.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Shoots out everyone and everyone goes. We were kind of
hoping the story would be David beats Goliath. So it
just that's what it feels like. Even though every game
was pretty entertaining.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It it was very entertaining not to mention that they
the team has surpassed what the Yankees were doing with
George stein Brenner into mid nineties, where they were buying
every player. If you remember that era, they were literally
just saying, Hey, this guy's good, let's bring them in.
I mean, they had the All Star team was the
Yankees back then. If you looked at the All Star Game,
it should have just they should have all just been
(04:09):
wearing Yankee jerseys. By the end of the season, they
were champions with every single one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, and also that's why we hated the Yankees. So
whenever you hear someone roll their eyes about the Yankees
or go we hate the Yankees. We hate the Yankees,
is because they're talking about the Steinbraners and how they've
they bought every player ever. And then you pair that
with the history that the Yankees always had guys like
Babe Ruth and Louke Gerrigan, Mickey Mantle. So you add
all the winning that the Yankees have always done along
(04:35):
with a chapter of now buying all the players and
just buying championships.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That's what made everyone hate the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So when will people stop hating the Yankees and start
hating the Dodgers because that is what the Dodgers are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Freddy Friedman said it best.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
He was like, we're chasing the Yankees as another team
to treat beat.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So yeah, well we'll see. Well that'll be some changes,
all right.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
The reason why I bring this up with the World
Series not only because we're baseball fans here. We were
texting each other as that were going into super extra innings.
It's three am here in the East Coast when they
were still playing. But you know this kind of thing.
When I was looking at what, oh, I wonder what
ticket prices would be like to go to a World
(05:22):
Series game?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Baseball has never been the type of sport where tickets
were kind of like super expensive. Right, It's always been
family friendly. But those Game seven tickets were close to
almost three thousand dollars as an average, and the standing
only tickets were going for twelve hundred dollars. Okay, twelve
hundred dollars. This is kind of like, I guess the
(05:44):
way the world is going when it comes to events,
and it's affecting the things that we love, like professional wrestling.
Let's talk about the live business, real quick of professional wrestling.
This Friday, according to wrestle Tickes, they said that they
were was only four thousand over four thousand tickets distributed
this past Friday for Friday Night Smike that Salt Lake City.
(06:07):
That's that's a little bit disturbing because we, yeah, we
love professional wrestling. We want to see professional wrestling thrive.
I don't know does so I'll talk to you because
you're a comedian, You've done shows, you've done specials, you've
done your own thing.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Here, is this a market thing?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Are the tickets that much more expensive at a Salt
Lake City? It's definitely not New York? So what could.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Drive those tickets to be like that high? There?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Do you it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Is it just a do you think that they're just
pricing everyone else?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I don't even know how who decides those things?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, Like as far as like do do the does
the venue work that out in the deal, like saying, oh,
we think because usually when at least in comedy, my
agent and the and the comedy club owners, which essentially
the venue, they'll they'll be like, oh, our customers aren't
gonna buy that. They kind of have an idea of
(07:05):
the market and will like persuade my agent like how
much to make the price. Now that being said, comedy
is so much different than wrestling that who knows.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
But I mean, I think we've.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Got to let go of the idea that anything's ever
gonna be family friendly pricing ever.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Again, I hate to say that, but.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Like baseball games have just gone up, football games have
gone up, pro wrestling's gone up.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Concert tickets.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I was crashing out on I was at a pool
with all my friends in Arizona and my friend's friends
who are also my friends, but I only know them
because of the friend's house that I was at. They
were saying that they spent like one thousand dollars on
Matt Rife tickets each, and I was I was venting,
and I looked like just a bitter comedian, like I
(07:52):
was talking trash about Matt Rife, but I wasn't. I
was just like a thousand dollars Like that's not you know,
don't see any comedian for thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It was no shade to Matt.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I love Matt, and they all were just like, listen
to Jeff Dye.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
He's such a bitter little bit. You know, he's crying.
He must really have insecurities with Matt.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right. But one of the things that the guy said
to me is he goes, have you bought tickets to
something recently?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And I was like, I guess not. I haven't really
thought about it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's like, that's this is like, this is what things
cost now. If you want to go see Beyonce, if
you want your daughter to go see Taylor Swift, if
you want, you know, that's just the world we live
in now. If you don't get to go to WrestleMania
without dropping a lot of money. So I'm afraid this
is just the time we live in.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And it's kind of crazy that you say that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, we've seen we've seen the with the TKO acquisition,
and Freddie has kind of put it out there already.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Make sure you go check that out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
When he talks about what the pricing is and putting money,
you know, into the executive's pockets. He's way more knowledgeable
than I am when it comes to that, because he
lives it and he understands it. But we've seen now
a trend this happened last year with Also with AW,
they faced arena attendance drops, right, they shifted to doing
smaller venues and that has done really well for them.
(09:37):
Their pay per views are being done in bigger stadiums
and they're selling those out, while the smaller shows like
Dynamite and Collision are still being done in smaller arenas.
And now they tout themselves as having family friendly pricing.
But I do want to say this. A fan shared
a personal account of buying tickets for AW Dynamite and
(09:59):
that the s show did increase from one hundred and
four dollars in June of twenty twenty three to three
hundred and seventeen dollars in June of twenty twenty four,
right in the same general market, which is saw a
two hundred and six percent increase, Right, So that's insane
to me. So we've seen both sides kind of like
deal with the pricing issue. Jeff, do you think that
(10:20):
the right move would be for WW, especially what just
happened in Salt Lake City was Yes, they're a hot commodity.
We all love pro wrestling and we love WWS. It
has been around for over sixty seventy eighty years, right,
so they're the ones we go to, right, And wrestling
is very weird because it's not like the NFL. The
NFL is made up of thirty odd teams, right, however
(10:42):
it is and each one says the pricing. We love
our team and we find ways to support our team.
With wrestling, it's not like there's a you know, Pro
wrestling and then AW ANDWWE that go against each other. Right,
They're kind of just like out there on their own,
so it's hard went for the cash to kind of
try to like see a show whatever when ticket prices
(11:03):
are this crazy, do you suggest, with what just happened
and this could be a one off, maybe it'll happen again,
who knows, especially when the holidays coming, that maybe it
would be better if WWE does small arenas. I know
they have a agreement to do Friday night smackdowns at
smaller college arenas. Do you think that would be the
best way to go because I think it would also
(11:25):
also open up the market for people to say, holy crap,
I missed this event. Because tickets were sold out, but
because it's a small arena, they sold out faster, which
is great. So you cause demand, Do you think that
would be the better way to go?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I don't really know the answer to that, because is
wrestling better when it's in a smaller market? When I
watch those NXT things and the wrestling fans, they're paying
attention more, But it does feel underwhelming because there's less people.
Some things feel better as a spectacle. So for stand
up comedy, which I always just associate everything back to
(11:59):
you because it's all I know, It's like, I think
smaller is better for stand up. You got like three
hundred and four hundred people in a room. It feels
like the environment is perfect for stand up. And as
it gets bigger and you start seeing stand up comedy
and arena, it loses its appeal. Sure, because it's just
one man talking, you're watching him on a monitor. It's
not the same wherew wrestling it does feel grandiose.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
The bigger it is, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It does feel so I think maybe just do as
big A venues as they're doing, or even bigger venues.
But let's get that price down. Let's get everybody able
to get in. So like, let's make cheap seats, and
the people who buy the cheap seats, they're aware that
they didn't spend the same amount of money as the
(12:44):
people down by the ring.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
But at least they got to be there. At least
they got to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
At least they got to like see whoever they wanted
to see in person life.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I think that there should.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Be tears, you know, like like ten dollars seats and
like that. You know it's not going to be the
best view, but yet at least let them be a
part of the action.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And I think that would be a good way to
do it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Maybe maybe make those seats down there where those rich
fuckers are, maybe maybe double those Maybe you say, oh
my god, ten grand to be He was like, yeah,
you want to be front row, don't worry, we got
cheap seats for you if you want. But let those
rich people spend their rich person money and let the
let the people that don't have that money still be
able to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Sure, I mean that's I mean, why not, right? I
mean they are allowed to do whatever they wanted. They're
doing it now. So and then I had one more
example where a fan spoke about getting the same seat
at a ww ROSS show which he bought for ninety
one dollars with fees, and then last year when he
went this year, when he went back to that same
(13:48):
arena to wash the show, it was two hundred and
fifty one dollars. So these chicken went on by almost
one hundred and sixty dollars. It's it's hard, it's hard,
but I do think that, like you mentioned, aw did
this where they were doing the big arenas, and if
they just didn't sell out all eight thousand tickets, they
just scaled the place down right, Which on television, when
(14:10):
you have a camera, you're able to position it in
any way that you want. So if you have a
half a bowl that's full, no one, no one on
the TV world knows because you're you're you're at home
watching it and it feels good because pro wrestling is
more of a television show than it is you know,
a being there live half the time because you love
the entrances. Michael Cole has something to say, Taz has
(14:30):
something to say, you know, like if you want to
listen in so I agree with you. Let's do bigger shows.
Fill in the arena anyway we can. And if you
have tickets that you're not selling.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Don't tarp it off, sell it for twenty bus or something, yes,
or like there last minute. So a lot of wrestling
fans will start to go like, oh, I'm waiting till
the end because I heard that. If like, if it's
the week of you know, sometimes they release extra seats,
you know, for twenty bucks, so like, just just fill
it in.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Jeff, this has been our first on Section Thursday together.
I'm so happy to be doing the next couple with you.
Let's hope you hear from from Freddie as well. We'll
insert whatever he has to say in here before we
get out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
What do you have plan?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What's going on? Where are you going to be at
this weekend?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm trying when this comes out, I don't know when
this comes out, but I's going to be in Denver, Denver,
Colorado at comedy works.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Come see me.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm at the Comedy Work South, which is in Greenwood Village.
Always love playing that club. It's going to be an
awesome time. I'll be there all weekend, and then from Denver,
I go to Austin, Texas, where I'll be on Joe
Rogan November eleventh.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Very excited for that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'll also be doing spots around there, and then from
there I go to New Orleans for Skankfest. And then
after New Orleans, I'll be in Australia, so you can
come see me in Perth, Sydney, Brisbane. I'll be doing
one of these episodes with you from Australia. I don't
even know the time difference, but we'll be figuring it
out and I will be with you, guys, no matter
(16:04):
what I do, because I love wrestling, and I love Freddy,
and I love Alex Cordoza and.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And November eleventh, that's Veterans Day, so that's a cool
day to be on the Joe Rogan podcast and talk
a little bit about whatever you're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Give us a Vesta shout outs. Don't tell them I
said that, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Me and Joe love me and Joe a big America guys.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, this has been on sanctioned Thursdays. We'll
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Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut us about to
hit the fan?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to on sanction Thursday's a wrestling with Freday.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Hello friends, Welcome back to the show. We're here on
Unsanctioned Thursday, and I'm here with Jeff jackpot Die, the
one and only Freddy's right hand man in the show.
For the next couple of weeks, we're gonna be holding
it down. We're gonna be holding it down, and I
think that you guys are gonna enjoy what we have
(00:39):
come in. I'm gonna try my best to probably as
a producer and makeshift talent here bringing guests for us
to have on the show and make things really cool. Today, guys,
we're gonna get into what's happening. And we touched upon
this a few weeks back right here on Sanction Thursday.
But I want to kind of like come back to
(01:00):
let's talk about what's happening with us casual fans. Jeff,
maybe you could also let us know if you think
this is like hurting or what it's doing to the business.
But we're going to talk about what's happening with ticket
pricing and you know, crowds in the arena. We'll talk
about what happened is Friday night on SmackDown with an
(01:20):
arena almost halfway full, if maybe less. It was kind
of crazy to hear. But before we start, Jeff Dodgers,
what did you think about the whole series? Dodgers Toronto?
They went into super extra innings one night. I feel
bad for Don Mattingly still not getting his big chance,
you know, like, how.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Did you feel about the whole series?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Well, although I wasn't happy about it being the Blue
Jays and the Dodgers, that's a big part of it.
It's Blue Jays versus the Dodgers, So that's the part
I didn't like. That being said, it was a phenomenal
world series, probably one of the best world series is
in a long, long, long long time to go to
a game seven, to have so many games that were
extra innings, to have you know, busted bullpens, and then
(02:10):
making your starters come in like and then like all
of that kind of thing. We almost saw the first
ever position player to pitch in a World series because
it was just they were running out of pitchers.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
We had one game that went like six hours.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
So there's just so many interesting, cool baseball things about
the World Series. However, you know the monopoly, the one percenters,
the Kings. The Dodgers win the game, and that's very
very annoying and very very frustrating. Not only did they win,
(02:42):
but they went back to back. And you might say, well,
why does that matter, Jeff who cares well? This town
claims to hate monopolies and capitalism, and then they root
for the Dodgers, who literally bought a guy for a
billion dollars. The Boston Red Sox win the World Series,
they like, we'll take your best player, Mookie Bets. And
(03:02):
then the Braves win the World Series. They go, we'll
take your best player, Freddie Freeman. And then they go, oh, also,
we'll take the best three players that have ever came
out of Japan in the last twenty years. Also, we'll
take Tyler glass Now and Blake Snell, and like, they
just literally have the most stacked team in the history
of baseball. There's never been a more expensive team and
there's never been a better assembled lineup. So for them
(03:26):
to win two years in a row feels icky.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
It feels wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's like sending out David and then Goliath just stomps him.
Speaker 4 (03:36):
Immediately and blood.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Shoots out everyone and everyone goes. We were kind of
hoping the story would be David beats Goliath. So it
just that's what it feels like. Even though every game
was pretty entertaining.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
It it was very entertaining not to mention that they
the team has surpassed what the Yankees were doing with
George stein Brenner into mid nineties, where they were buying
every player. If you remember that era, they were literally
just saying, Hey, this guy's good, let's bring them in.
I mean, they had the All Star team was the
Yankees back then. If you looked at the All Star Game,
it should have just they should have all just been
(04:09):
wearing Yankee jerseys. By the end of the season, they
were champions with every single one of them.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Yeah, and also that's why we hated the Yankees. So
whenever you hear someone roll their eyes about the Yankees
or go we hate the Yankees. We hate the Yankees,
is because they're talking about the Steinbraners and how they've
they bought every player ever. And then you pair that
with the history that the Yankees always had guys like
Babe Ruth and Louke Gerrigan, Mickey Mantle. So you add
all the winning that the Yankees have always done along
(04:35):
with a chapter of now buying all the players and
just buying championships.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
That's what made everyone hate the Yankees.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
So when will people stop hating the Yankees and start
hating the Dodgers because that is what the Dodgers are doing.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Freddy Friedman said it best.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
He was like, we're chasing the Yankees as another team
to treat beat.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So yeah, well we'll see. Well that'll be some changes,
all right.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
The reason why I bring this up with the World
Series not only because we're baseball fans here. We were
texting each other as that were going into super extra innings.
It's three am here in the East Coast when they
were still playing. But you know this kind of thing.
When I was looking at what, oh, I wonder what
ticket prices would be like to go to a World
(05:22):
Series game?
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Baseball has never been the type of sport where tickets
were kind of like super expensive. Right, It's always been
family friendly. But those Game seven tickets were close to
almost three thousand dollars as an average, and the standing
only tickets were going for twelve hundred dollars. Okay, twelve
hundred dollars. This is kind of like, I guess the
(05:44):
way the world is going when it comes to events,
and it's affecting the things that we love, like professional wrestling.
Let's talk about the live business, real quick of professional wrestling.
This Friday, according to wrestle Tickes, they said that they
were was only four thousand over four thousand tickets distributed
this past Friday for Friday Night Smike that Salt Lake City.
(06:07):
That's that's a little bit disturbing because we, yeah, we
love professional wrestling. We want to see professional wrestling thrive.
I don't know does so I'll talk to you because
you're a comedian, You've done shows, you've done specials, you've
done your own thing.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Here, is this a market thing?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Are the tickets that much more expensive at a Salt
Lake City? It's definitely not New York? So what could.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Drive those tickets to be like that high? There?
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Do you it?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Is it just a do you think that they're just
pricing everyone else?
Speaker 4 (06:43):
I don't even know how who decides those things?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Right, Like as far as like do do the does
the venue work that out in the deal, like saying, oh,
we think because usually when at least in comedy, my
agent and the and the comedy club owners, which essentially
the venue, they'll they'll be like, oh, our customers aren't
gonna buy that. They kind of have an idea of
(07:05):
the market and will like persuade my agent like how
much to make the price. Now that being said, comedy
is so much different than wrestling that who knows.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
But I mean, I think we've.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Got to let go of the idea that anything's ever
gonna be family friendly pricing ever.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Again, I hate to say that, but.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Like baseball games have just gone up, football games have
gone up, pro wrestling's gone up.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Concert tickets.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I was crashing out on I was at a pool
with all my friends in Arizona and my friend's friends
who are also my friends, but I only know them
because of the friend's house that I was at. They
were saying that they spent like one thousand dollars on
Matt Rife tickets each, and I was I was venting,
and I looked like just a bitter comedian, like I
(07:52):
was talking trash about Matt Rife, but I wasn't. I
was just like a thousand dollars Like that's not you know,
don't see any comedian for thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
It was no shade to Matt.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
I love Matt, and they all were just like, listen
to Jeff Dye.
Speaker 4 (08:06):
He's such a bitter little bit. You know, he's crying.
He must really have insecurities with Matt.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Right. But one of the things that the guy said
to me is he goes, have you bought tickets to
something recently?
Speaker 4 (08:17):
And I was like, I guess not. I haven't really
thought about it.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
He's like, that's this is like, this is what things
cost now. If you want to go see Beyonce, if
you want your daughter to go see Taylor Swift, if
you want, you know, that's just the world we live
in now. If you don't get to go to WrestleMania
without dropping a lot of money. So I'm afraid this
is just the time we live in.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
And it's kind of crazy that you say that.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
You know, we've seen we've seen the with the TKO acquisition,
and Freddie has kind of put it out there already.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Make sure you go check that out.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
When he talks about what the pricing is and putting money,
you know, into the executive's pockets. He's way more knowledgeable
than I am when it comes to that, because he
lives it and he understands it. But we've seen now
a trend this happened last year with Also with AW,
they faced arena attendance drops, right, they shifted to doing
smaller venues and that has done really well for them.
(09:37):
Their pay per views are being done in bigger stadiums
and they're selling those out, while the smaller shows like
Dynamite and Collision are still being done in smaller arenas.
And now they tout themselves as having family friendly pricing.
But I do want to say this. A fan shared
a personal account of buying tickets for AW Dynamite and
(09:59):
that the s show did increase from one hundred and
four dollars in June of twenty twenty three to three
hundred and seventeen dollars in June of twenty twenty four,
right in the same general market, which is saw a
two hundred and six percent increase, Right, So that's insane
to me. So we've seen both sides kind of like
deal with the pricing issue. Jeff, do you think that
(10:20):
the right move would be for WW, especially what just
happened in Salt Lake City was Yes, they're a hot commodity.
We all love pro wrestling and we love WWS. It
has been around for over sixty seventy eighty years, right,
so they're the ones we go to, right, And wrestling
is very weird because it's not like the NFL. The
NFL is made up of thirty odd teams, right, however
(10:42):
it is and each one says the pricing. We love
our team and we find ways to support our team.
With wrestling, it's not like there's a you know, Pro
wrestling and then AW ANDWWE that go against each other. Right,
They're kind of just like out there on their own,
so it's hard went for the cash to kind of
try to like see a show whatever when ticket prices
(11:03):
are this crazy, do you suggest, with what just happened
and this could be a one off, maybe it'll happen again,
who knows, especially when the holidays coming, that maybe it
would be better if WWE does small arenas. I know
they have a agreement to do Friday night smackdowns at
smaller college arenas. Do you think that would be the
best way to go because I think it would also
(11:25):
also open up the market for people to say, holy crap,
I missed this event. Because tickets were sold out, but
because it's a small arena, they sold out faster, which
is great. So you cause demand, Do you think that
would be the better way to go?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
I don't really know the answer to that, because is
wrestling better when it's in a smaller market? When I
watch those NXT things and the wrestling fans, they're paying
attention more, But it does feel underwhelming because there's less people.
Some things feel better as a spectacle. So for stand
up comedy, which I always just associate everything back to
(11:59):
you because it's all I know, It's like, I think
smaller is better for stand up. You got like three
hundred and four hundred people in a room. It feels
like the environment is perfect for stand up. And as
it gets bigger and you start seeing stand up comedy
and arena, it loses its appeal. Sure, because it's just
one man talking, you're watching him on a monitor. It's
not the same wherew wrestling it does feel grandiose.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
The bigger it is, Yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
It does feel so I think maybe just do as
big A venues as they're doing, or even bigger venues.
But let's get that price down. Let's get everybody able
to get in. So like, let's make cheap seats, and
the people who buy the cheap seats, they're aware that
they didn't spend the same amount of money as the
(12:44):
people down by the ring.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
But at least they got to be there. At least
they got to be a part of it.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
At least they got to like see whoever they wanted
to see in person life.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I think that there should.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
Be tears, you know, like like ten dollars seats and
like that. You know it's not going to be the
best view, but yet at least let them be a
part of the action.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
And I think that would be a good way to
do it.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Maybe maybe make those seats down there where those rich
fuckers are, maybe maybe double those Maybe you say, oh
my god, ten grand to be He was like, yeah,
you want to be front row, don't worry, we got
cheap seats for you if you want. But let those
rich people spend their rich person money and let the
let the people that don't have that money still be
able to be a part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Sure, I mean that's I mean, why not, right? I
mean they are allowed to do whatever they wanted. They're
doing it now. So and then I had one more
example where a fan spoke about getting the same seat
at a ww ROSS show which he bought for ninety
one dollars with fees, and then last year when he
went this year, when he went back to that same
(13:48):
arena to wash the show, it was two hundred and
fifty one dollars. So these chicken went on by almost
one hundred and sixty dollars. It's it's hard, it's hard,
but I do think that, like you mentioned, aw did
this where they were doing the big arenas, and if
they just didn't sell out all eight thousand tickets, they
just scaled the place down right, Which on television, when
(14:10):
you have a camera, you're able to position it in
any way that you want. So if you have a
half a bowl that's full, no one, no one on
the TV world knows because you're you're you're at home
watching it and it feels good because pro wrestling is
more of a television show than it is you know,
a being there live half the time because you love
the entrances. Michael Cole has something to say, Taz has
(14:30):
something to say, you know, like if you want to
listen in so I agree with you. Let's do bigger shows.
Fill in the arena anyway we can. And if you
have tickets that you're not selling.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Don't tarp it off, sell it for twenty bus or something, yes,
or like there last minute. So a lot of wrestling
fans will start to go like, oh, I'm waiting till
the end because I heard that. If like, if it's
the week of you know, sometimes they release extra seats,
you know, for twenty bucks, so like, just just fill
it in.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Jeff, this has been our first on Section Thursday together.
I'm so happy to be doing the next couple with you.
Let's hope you hear from from Freddie as well. We'll
insert whatever he has to say in here before we
get out of here.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
What do you have plan?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
What's going on? Where are you going to be at
this weekend?
Speaker 4 (15:18):
I'm I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I'm trying when this comes out, I don't know when
this comes out, but I's going to be in Denver, Denver,
Colorado at comedy works.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Come see me.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm at the Comedy Work South, which is in Greenwood Village.
Always love playing that club. It's going to be an
awesome time. I'll be there all weekend, and then from Denver,
I go to Austin, Texas, where I'll be on Joe
Rogan November eleventh.
Speaker 4 (15:40):
Very excited for that.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
I'll also be doing spots around there, and then from
there I go to New Orleans for Skankfest. And then
after New Orleans, I'll be in Australia, so you can
come see me in Perth, Sydney, Brisbane. I'll be doing
one of these episodes with you from Australia. I don't
even know the time difference, but we'll be figuring it
out and I will be with you, guys, no matter
(16:04):
what I do, because I love wrestling, and I love Freddy,
and I love Alex Cordoza and.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
We love you.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
And November eleventh, that's Veterans Day, so that's a cool
day to be on the Joe Rogan podcast and talk
a little bit about whatever you're gonna be talking about.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
Give us a Vesta shout outs. Don't tell them I
said that, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Me and Joe love me and Joe a big America guys.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Ladies and gentlemen, this has been on sanctioned Thursdays. We'll
see you next week for even more wrestling with Right now,
with Friends with Jeff and I, the Ultimate tag team
will figure out we're going to do. Don't forget to repost,
love share, and make sure to follow us on the
Wrestling with Freddie official account on Instagram. And thank you
all for listening. Mad Here we out
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