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August 16, 2023 41 mins

Jeff and I are back at it again! In this episode, we discuss why Jimmy Uso turned on his brother Jey at SummerSlam, what goes into going commercial free  at WWE, and the return of RVD. Plus Jeff gives his thoughts on whether turning Adam Cole a heel is the right idea heading into the upcoming show at Wembley Stadium.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Now your Mate Events introducing Ghosts. I'm wrestling with Freddy
Jeff Died, hand of Freddy Friends, Junior Ladies and gentlemen.
Welcome to a brand new episode of Wrestling with Freddy
Wrestling with Friends. The Great Jeff Die is back. Welcome

(00:25):
to Wrestling with Friends, mister Jeff Dye.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Welcome dad, sir. How are you feeling good? I'm living
in Atlanta right now. That's why I'm wearing this hat.
And yeah, I'm happy to be back on. Sorry I
missed you guys last week.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
You're like jumping Joe from that movie The Natural, who
would just play for every team it had, like every
every that's you. You're jumping Joe, jumping Jim.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Kay, Lord Perry, Dude. I just go to whatever team,
whoever's got the check, Baby, what's nearest, I'll play for them.

Speaker 1 (00:56):
I love it. How's Atlanta treating you? How's the job
treating you? Sir?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
It's been good. It's super super fun, it's super easy.
I've I've had zero bad experiences since I've been in Atlanta.
The people are nice, the city is great, the food
is great, it's clean. I'm also not used to a
town where there's a lot of good mornings and how
are used from strangers and you love very very nice feeling.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
I love that. Yeah, yeah, you love that more than
any of that reason. Sarah shot her show out there,
the werewolf show wolf Pack, and she fell in love
with the city. She fell in love with the people.
She made friends out there that she's still friends with
today that were just people that lived there, like and
she said the same thing everyone said good morning, and

(01:37):
no one does that. I go, yeah, you're from New York.
That's why I know one ever does that.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I know it's face opposite of New York. Yeah. Yeah,
in New York. On the street, I'm like, I'm like, hey,
good morning. He's like, what's your problem. I'm I got
her nice said good morning, and don't know that was
a problem. You gotta know you. It's like, no, I don't,
I don't know you.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
You got to go to Brooklyn. They're more chill in
Brooklyn and they they walked up and like, do you
want to pet my dog? And they drink coffee with
brown sugar like that. They're way nicer. I did a
movie there, and in New York it was crazy. The
streets were like mad Max beyond Thunderdome. It was still
during the pandemic, like every four out of every five,

(02:19):
like spaces in the buildings were abandoned. And I'm staying
in this apartment where this homeless dude would sleep outside
every day. And one night, this was almost the last
night I stayed there, he just looked dead and I
stepped over him, as you do, and went inside and said, hey, man,

(02:40):
think I think that guy is dead. You need to
call the cops. And he goes, man, he sleeps out
there every night. I'm like, all right, dude, it's cold.
All right, I'm telling you. We were shooting this in
like October. So I go up to my little crappy
apartment and go to bed and come out the next morning.
There's police there. My driver, oh, who's like further down
and I'm like, oh crap, And I don't see the guy,

(03:01):
and so I don't know that if they ran him
off or what. And I go to get in my car.
On my poor driver. She was this nice Puerto Rican lady.
She's crying and I go, what what's wrong? What's wrong?

Speaker 2 (03:12):
The man was dead.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
The man that you stepped over was dead. And I
was like, oh, my god, Manhattan sucked so bad, and
I called the producer.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
I was like, yeah, it is terrible.

Speaker 1 (03:22):
Oh and I had already gotten in a fight. Well
it was, well, it was not. It was a one
punch fight. The guy was acting crazy and that was
not my fault. And then I did like the high
school thing where I walked backwards around the block to
go to my apartment instead of right to the apartment
because that'll shake the cops. But that was my SKAPERO
was just going backwards around the block. But I was like, look,

(03:43):
I gotta get out of here.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Crazy. It's gone.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
It is. I was like, this is crazy. You got it,
and he goes, okay, we're going to get you. We
were shooting in Brooklyn anyway, because I'm going to get
you in a hotel in Brooklyn. It's nice there. I go,
are you sure, dude? I go, this is crazy out here.
I just want to stay at like a friend's house.
He's like, no, no, no, no, it's too far away. We're
gonna send you to Brooklyn. They send me this little
hotel in Brooklyn. The very first morning, I'm like, all right,
I'm venturing out. I gotta get groceries for the little

(04:08):
mini fridge because I don't like spending eight dollars on
a water when I can spend seven. So I go
outside and the first person I see as a dog
and he says good morning, and I went what he
goes good morning? I went, hey, good morning, bro, and
he just walked by. I was like, Yo, that all right?
And then like the next person I saw with the
dog at legit was like, do you want to have

(04:28):
my dog? I was like, yeah, I miss my dogs.
I haven't seen him in a month. And so I've
had the dog, haven't. Haven't I stayed too? Okay, I
loved it, dude. It was a beautiful, beautiful city. In Manhattan,
you still kind of suck, so deal with that. But Atlanta,
George is great home of Tody Roads, Tody the American Night.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
I haven't had to step over. I haven't had a
step over any dead bodies since I've got here.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
It's been quite the trees and when you set the
bar that low, you're never going to be disappointed. Yet
I love it here.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
I'm gonna bring I am that guy though this says
good morning to everyone everywhere, so it's kind of tricky.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
You are that guy? And you like the energy to
be returned too, So you guys make sure you say
good morning to just when you see him in the streets.
He appreciates it. Well, Welcome back, sir, I missed you.
That's why I spend all this time talking with you
before we spoke any wrestling. But we got a lot
to talk about, sir. Monday Night Raw had some pretty

(05:23):
friggin sweet moments, even if they weren't matches, but pretty
sweet moments. Cody Rhoades open the show and he gets
interrupted by the judgment day and none of the energy,
none of the hate has faded for the relationship between
Dominic and the WWE universe. They hate him as much

(05:47):
today as they did the first time I heard them.
Not they didn't allow him to finish a promo, basically
just booed him out the damn building. And they're still
matching that entergy every single day. It's hard to even
remember what anybody else says because I'm just waiting for

(06:08):
Dominic to try and speak and just let him get
shut down and let Ria rip the go. It's okay, baby,
it's okay. Don't don't let them hurt, baby, don't worry
and she just like pats of like a little dog.
But we did get the first hour free, and I
want to talk about free as in no commercials, and
I want to talk about that too, But how do
you like the segment? I know it's kind of repetitive
because Cody's having to almost do the John Cena thing where,

(06:31):
you know, but I feel like they're doing a good
enough job mixing it up and mixing up Cody's opponents
that it's still it doesn't feel like John Cena Randy
Orton for two years straight.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, this is a repetitive that doesn't bother me. Like this,
I like this kind of repetitive, It doesn't I mean,
wrestling is always guilty of repetitive. You know how many
Bloodline stories. You know, there's a lot of repetitive innit.
But this doesn't feel too repetitive and I like it.
And besides, La Night, Nobody's had a more meteoric rise

(07:02):
than Dom like those two right now. I mean it's
insane and I'm loving every second of it also, And
they must be building to Dom versus mister Ray Missterio
at some point, you know, they had their blowoffs, man
smart build, they had their.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Blowoffs, so I get. I mean, they can do it again,
but they had their their match against one will there
where Ray Ray spanked is, but so they'll they'll go
back and do it again. I don't think that'll be done.
But remember that one ended because then Ray was like, yo,
I'm out, I'm leaving Raw and then he went to SmackDown.
So they could keep them separate. So I think until
there could be there.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
Could be a reconnection, there could be a different fallout
of something. So I just think they're building something with
his dad.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
They will they will again on how long the build
is or what they will again, but right now raising
a separate story because he's in that LWO storyline and
Dominic is is with Raw right now, so he's raw storylines.
But they're not going to just end it like that,
especially if Dominic keeps getting more popular, if that's even posibility.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Or maybe raymus Stereo can get the LWO so over
and so big that we have a we have a
collision between those two factions.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Let's get to let's get to SmackDown in a minute,
because I want to talk about that storyline. I got
a lot of questions on as to where it's going.
But the first hour of Raw was commercial free, and
I believe they've done this before. I know they push
commercial breaks all the time, but I would have thought
they would have waited until Monday Night Football officially started

(08:46):
before doing something like, hey, no commercials first hour. That way,
they don't lose anybody in the ratings, because a lot
of times that's that's why they push commercials, because they
lose a good number of people when they go when
they cut to one, even though it's a live show,
and when Monday Night Football comes on Monday Night, Raw
ratings drop. They went commercial free. They're not the first
show to do this. A lot of times hour long

(09:08):
dramas in the late nineties would do like the first
half hour free twenty four did that allow like this
episode's brought to you by Ford and no one else period,
And it was like there you go. Now you don't
have to have commercials because Ford paid a lot of
money to be on that show, and all the vehicles
were Fords, and everybody's driving you know, a Ford explored

(09:30):
straw truck in the world and making them look awesome.
So they're not the first ones to do it, but
I thought they would have waited until Monday night football
before doing this. But I'll hey, I'll tell you this,
I'll take an hour of straight wrestling with no commercials,
even though the picture and picture has made it much
more bearable. But I'll take a free hour, as I
like to call it, any single day of the week.

(09:52):
So anytime y'all want to do this is one hundred
percent fine with me. I will say this, It was
not a USA Network idea. It was I'm sure, pitch
to the USA Network and then had to go through
the bureaucracy that exists at every studio and then finally
the right person says yes, and you could have just
talked to them in the first place. It would have
saved everyone a lot of friggin time. But it doesn't
work that way.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
Tweet at us or comment below, or let us know.
Is there anyone out there that likes the commercials, like
it gives you a chance to go grab some food
or grab a beer, or check your phone like I
kind of. I use the commercial time as I'll check
my Instagram again, or I'll write a tweet, or I'll

(10:33):
go into the kitchen and grab a glass of water.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
Is there anyone that likes it at all, Like, I
don't know what the do you wait? Can't pause my TV?

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Do you wait for the commercial? Or do you wait
for a match that you don't give a shit about?
Which one? Where do you go? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Sometimes, but there's not a lot of matches that I
don't care about. If I'm honest, I get disappointed with matches,
but I'm never going into the match not giving it
a chance or.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Whatever's handful where I'm like, all right, here we go.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
I'm mostly talking anyways. Wrestling is a lot of interrupting
and a lot of.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Let's let's get to another segment. That was a lot
of talk the Miz and La Night. And every once
in a while the WWE gives someone to the Miz
and they say something to this effect. I'm guessing, guys,
I don't know. You need to challenge this guy. You

(11:30):
need to challenge him on the mic, call him out,
make him work for it, and let's see what he's got.
Let's see what he's got. We like what we're seeing
so far, but we're gonna give you a story with him,
and let's see if he can hang with you. A
good example would be him and Brian Danielson where they
did a smack Talk episode which was like the show
after the show, and Mis cut that famous promo on

(11:51):
Brian Danielson. I've been here, and I came through the
ranks and and everybody was like, holy cow, Mis can talk. Yeah, jerks,
He's been able to talk this whole time. He just
has been written for and not writing for himself, whereas
now I think they give him a lot more freedom,
or he got more comfortable with written stuff. But every

(12:11):
once in a while they hand them one of these
guys and you're gonna see if they can hang. And
I'll be honest, when La Knight came out, I was
so nervous that he wasn't gonna be able to hang
on the mic with the miss because he's good at
his own thing, right, but I've seen him struggle in commentary,

(12:33):
Like commentary was not his strong suit. Was when he
sat in the chair next to the table. I remember
not liking him as much and his message didn't get
communicated as well. And it's hard because it's a match
going on. But so I was a little bit nervous, like,
oh crap, and then Mis started going hard. I've been
in this industry twenty years. This, I've done it, this,

(12:54):
I've accomplished this. I'm a two time Grand Slam. They
hated me, they threw me out of the locker room.
And he does that speech that he just knows back
to front right and he kills it, and I'm like,
oh crap, and let me tell you what La Knight did.
The mizz is moving one hundred and ten miles an
hour like a dude party in Miami in nineteen eighty five,

(13:15):
just full rager, just in your face and the natural
instinct in reaction. And I know this for a fact
from acting class. Is a lot of times immature actors
or inexperienced actors want to match that energy and they
quickly have nowhere to go. It's like if you start
a song at too high a note and like the

(13:37):
Star Spangled banner, and you know right away, oh shit,
I should have started lower. That's what happens in these
types of promos. And we've seen this happen a million times.
Look at any promo that anyone ever had against Scott Steiner,
and they're guilty of trying to match his energy. That's
why you don't remember the guys that were in the
promos of Scott Steiner. So I'm super nervous and La

(13:59):
Knight does this thing. My acting coach taught us where
he said, look, if you're in an audition with someone,
like a duo audition, where they're checking chemistry, and someone's
energy is super high and super fast, you have to
do the exact opposite. You have to balance that scale.
So if they're talking a mile a minute and it's
your turn and all of a sudden you're turned to talk,

(14:19):
you have to command their attention. And he flipped the
whole script on. Like all us young actors because you know,
our egos wanted to be like, no, I'm going to
man up because he's manning up and he's like, no,
you got to, like Christopher Walking man up. Like when
I say ho, I mean how not hey, Like that's
from Biloxi Blues, but in the play it's like the

(14:40):
Sergeant's like, well, I sorry, ho, I mean ho, notry,
not high, but ho, And Christopher Walker's like, nah, I'm
not doing it that bullshit. I've got my old rhythm
taking it down. And so La Knight just completely slows
the speed of this whole promo down and very deliberately
and absolutely effectively communicates who he is, what he's about,

(15:06):
and what he's willing to do to get to where
he wants to go, and that the miss is going
to be a stepping stone. A stepping stone, don't you
darrekle me a stepping stone. I've done all this stuff.
Let me tell you why you're a stepping stone. And
I'm not talking about those ones between your legs.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Bow.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
The crowd goes crazy for that because he's got tiny balls.
My son wants I have massive balls T shirt by
the way, he's ten. I'm like, you can't wear that
shit to school, can't wear work, can't we I mean, yeah, yeah,
you can sit home. He's like, well, just wear it
around the house. Like all right, I get my balls
are massive. Sure, great, Sarah will be thrilled. But but yeah, man.

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These two guys go back and forth on the mic
La Knight goes toe to toe. Mis talks about him
not being on his level, and his response was great.
He's like, well, from my perspective, we're standing eye to eye.
It just stares right at him like oh yeah, that's great.
And then the Miz is like, yeah, okay. It takes
off his jacket and then starts to like act like

(16:06):
he's not gonna fight, and then when LA Knight turns around,
he throws the jacket over l A Knight's head, not perfectly,
but we get the idea, and he starts whipping ass
all over LA Knight and picks him up for the
skull crushing finale, and LA Knight says, no, I have
you swep swap and reverses it and Boom puts the
blunts for that's the sound effect. I always wanted to

(16:27):
be a fully hard the guys that like crack celery,
like for a fight scene in the movies and all that.
I always wanted to be one of those guys. So
comic book sound effects are always gonna pop out of
my mouth and he hits them with the blunt force
trauma and then he shakes his damn hand and says,
it's nice to meet you, and then whatever else you
son of a bitch, miss I'll kill you. I don't

(16:49):
think that's what he said, but I love this segment
so much. I loved every everything about it. I was
super super nervous and it went beyond my expectations. Did
you like it or was it a meth for you
because I loved it. I know you're not huge on Miz,
but I know you respect him a little bit.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
I hate the Mis, I do not like the Miz,
and I love La Knights, so I was excited for this,
But I can also not like the Miss and acknowledge
that you know, he's become great. He's become a great
part of wrestling. He's become a great on the MIC.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
He is.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
He is great, whether I like him or not. That
beans like this was the first time. This is the
first time I've ever wished that I wrote for wrestling
as a god. Why couldn't you have had me there
to write for this? Because the Mis says to me,
all you are is an Attitude era fanboy.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Yeah, who is cause playing.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
In my ring? And you know what's funny about that?
I'll take that if you know the Rock said it,
or if of the Roman reign set. But are we
for is Mike the Miz from Real World? Forgetting that
he's an Attitude era fanboy who caused played for you know,
however long parading on MTV until they gave him like

(18:06):
a contract over at MTV. You don't get to call
him that also, guess who is an Attitude era fanboy?

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Me?

Speaker 2 (18:13):
You all the fans and like, yeah, we're all Attitude
era fanboys. So it was trash for him to like
use that, and I wish that that's what his response
would have been. Oh really, Miss, you think I'm an
Additude era fanboy, that's what you are also, cause playing
remember when the Mis pretended to be the rock for
like every single thing that he did, he tried, he tried,

(18:34):
and then he was always matching kind of these other
wrestlers doing the Daniel Bryant kicks. I mean, Miss doesn't
know who he is now and he's been in wrestling
for twenty something years, let alone a guy who has
climbed up the ranks like LA Knight. Like I I
like that he said, don't make this personal, and he goes,
I take this person that person that was, which I
know is part of the script, but it was. But

(18:55):
it was beautifully and I think this was my moment
of the week for sure, or just because I'm so
over or I'm so like such a fan of l. A. Knight,
but I just I just thought, what a weird thing
to accuse him of. I did like that flash in
the pan.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
That's what the heel's supposed to do, is say bullshit
that you can call him on. And I think MS
did that deliberately, and I think he tricked you. And
I love when you get tricked, and I think he
that's that's what's the whole. I love it, and I
think he did it on purpose so that people would
call him out on it. I think he's that slick
with it. I really do.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
I do like the flash and the PAN thing. I
like when someone says, yeah, they all love you now,
but guess what I've seen. I've been in this business
long enough to know how fast they'll forget about you.
I mean this, you know this La Knight Rise was
was an Austin theory rize at one point. This was
a that we've seen these things, so MS could be correct.
But I hope he's wrong. I hope he's wrong, and

(19:50):
I love La Knight, so we'll see. But I thought
that this whole little back and forth was phenomenal. I
thought the MIS was great. I thought La Knight was great.
When it comes to trauma, this might have been my
moment of the week.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
The main event was a triple threat. I don't you
know it. It was a cool match. I don't want
to spend too much time on it, but Shinske did
turn and hit Seth Rollins with Kinsasha and it was
glorious and he walked off like a rock star, an
evil rock star, but a rock star just the same.
And I hope they have an idea and a plan

(20:22):
for him because he doesn't get to beat Seth Rollins
because Seth Rowllins has the title, so I hope it's
not just another build up toward a loss. But you know,
hopefully they can do something cool with him, because he's
so much fun to watch. He's got such great energy.
His music's so dope when you come out when he
comes out to that freaking violin and all that crap.
So yeah, I like him a lot. But the match

(20:44):
was what it was. Man, let's go to aew Wednesday
night wrestling, ladies and gentlemen. I want to start with
I didn't think we would ever ever do a podcast

(21:04):
about a Rob van Dam match. Yeah, dude. Rob van
Dam wrestled Jack Perry for the ft W Championship. Rob
van Dam is fifty years old and was whipping ass
out there. Looked awesome. I mean, he look he's fifty, Okay,

(21:29):
so he didn't look like he was twenty five years old.
But I'm telling you he looked I thought he looked great.
There were a couple of shots that were pretty stiff, man.
When Jack Perry was outside the Jack Perry too, Yeah,
but Rob made is thick and Jack's not. Rob could
take it. But that when he did the rolling leg

(21:51):
kick and hit him off the apron and Jack was
on the on the ring side to that leg, it's
so thick and tough.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
I was like, oh, but he was blown up too,
Like you could tell he was gassed.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
But he's given it. He gave it one hundred percent, man.
But it was awesome. Man. If you gave him like
a seven minute match once every six weeks two months
and just with all storyline and then it goes to
a match, right, so it's just heat on him, heat
on him, and then you give a match like he
still has it, dude and has a big time. I

(22:27):
know he gassed out at the end, but Jack Perry
kind of saved the finish there because, yeah, it took
him too long. So that's why it got reversed because
he took too long on the top rope readjusting, so
like story wise, it looked like it was a part
of the story thanks to Jack Perry on that. But
I loved watching this match. It's it's not my match

(22:49):
of the week, but it very well could have been,
just for the nostalgia of it and the fact that
the first six minutes of the match were super super
good and that one kick was just crazy so hard.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Well, jumping forward to SmackDown, which we'll talk about it
a bit about how Jay Usso, you know, did he
quit wwe is he gone? This is the same thing.
This match is proof wrestlers do not retire. They do
not leave. They only die. They they like, you know,
Undertaker leaves and then all of a sudden, he's back.

(23:25):
Seven months later. Undertaker is back in the ring doing matches.
Tricked us all into thinking he'll never wrestle again, and
we watched his last match. They can't help themselves. Rick
Flair has a new wrestling match every six months. Rob
van Dam, we thought he was done. We thought he
was out there selling pot on the internet. Nope, he's

(23:45):
right back in the ring, looking good at fifty years old.
With Jack Perry, these wrestlers split they never. They might
get fired and they're not good enough to wrestle anymore,
but if they can, they will and they do. And
Rob van dam I don't know if he's all elite,
but he looked damn good in there, and I think
that he did his persona and his his kind of

(24:05):
like stick works still and we're such big marks for
him that I think that he could be. He could
definitely be a personality in aw and do a match
every every once in a while. Like he looked great,
I would you know, he's aged, but like I thought,
he looked just as good as Jack Perry did.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
And what should I older than he does? He's got
three years of me.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Man.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
I thought he looked amazing.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
I was like, but you gotta beat there a wrestler.
You kick me that hard on the chest, I'm gonna die.
Adam Cole and MJF I wanted to say something last week,
but you weren't. You weren't here, and so I bit
my tongue because I didn't have anyone to throw this
off of. But I'm wondering if we've had this story
all wrong, and if the end of this story is

(24:49):
Adam Cole turning heel on Max and after the segment
last week, I feel like that's the direction it's going
to go. And not because of the Roderick Strang stuff,
which was really funny when he called him a bland
bitch and Roger strongs like, I'm not a plant batch
that That was great, dude, He's over sold the ship
out of it.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
But it's also pretty comedic the way those guys came
out and consoled him like he was a little boy,
funny like in his arms, like my best friend just
said a mean thing. They called my best friend's new
best friend.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I love it. It's like an old eighties rom com movie.
And that's the issue.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
I love your creepy ex girlfriend like jealousy, which I
thought was really funny.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
Lie yeh. Jefferson shout out to Roderick for playing this
role man, because a lot of guys don't have the
ego to let themselves go like that. I I'm not
a bland bitch. That makes you sound more like But
anyway they were going, They're talking about Ring of Honor
tag team champions and Adam Cole is selling him hard

(25:54):
on yo, man, we can do this. We would have
two matches in one night at Wimbley Friggin' Stadium, which,
by the way, they're going to outsell WWE's record there,
which is going to be super duper wrestling bragging rights.
I know that for a fact that'll piss whoever's in
charge off, especially Vince or whoever booked it under their watch.

(26:14):
They'll be like, God, damn, we got to go back.
We got to do ninety thousand now. But if we
don't get it, just lie about the numbers. They've never
done that, Jeff, how dare you blasphemy? So MJFS selling
him hard on the Ring of Honor tag team titles
against these two dudes called Ozzie Open, who I don't
know much about, and he's selling him hard, and Max

(26:37):
is like, dude, what are you talking about now? Two
matches He's like, yes, let's do it. Let's do it.
The only reason because him wanting to have these titles
because he's never had him is bullshit. I think storyline wise,
I think he's doing it to tire Max out. I
think you're going to see Max be the one that
gets the beat down and Adam Coleby the heater that

(26:58):
comes in and saves him that he's hurt in the
championship match, the main event at Wimbley Stadium. I think
Cole's going to be the one that turns, or like
leaves him in the middle of the match, just walks
away and lets Ozzie Open just beat his ass and
hit him with their finisher and just leave him dead
in the middle of the ring. And then he asked
the wrestle again, I think we've had it wrong. I

(27:20):
don't think Max is going to be the one that turns,
because they've been showing us Max is going to turn
in different ones where he's like, well he was gonna
hit Adam Cole with the belt. He's like, but he's
my new best friend. Draw but after this guy, oh,
I can't. I'm not gonna doe. Let's hug it out.
Let's hug it out. They've been selling us so hard
on that that I think they're gonna swerve it and
it's going to be Adam Cole that turns on Max.

(27:42):
Do you think my conspiracy theory has any merit? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I could see them doing that because they're kind of
selling us as the MGF is the hot head. You know,
you won't have a promo off, you know, like they're
trying to. But then they're also showing us this side
of MJF that is like unusual to anything I remember
ever seeing of him being like that was my fault,
that was my fault.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
So they're also showing this other nice side of like, Okay,
all right, man, sorry, I got I got out of hand.
Go go get your brother, you know, go go go
comfort your boy, you know, like he was like he
lets him go. So you're seeing this nice side well
also seeing the hothead artist the hot head side. So
I could totally see Michael Cole being the one that
Adam Cole that turns on him. But I'm sorry, yeah,

(28:27):
Adam Cole. But here's the thing is it is why
why would they want Adam Cole to be a heel?
I think he's great the way he is.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I do too, But he was a damn good heel
in NXT and when he was off, that's when I
pretty much stopped watching. And I will say this, the
crowd does not care anymore. The crowd does not care
they are with you or not. If you're a great heel,
they will cheer you and every once in a while
Boot Ricky Stark's earned his first booze. But it took

(28:59):
him taking a belt off of Ricky the Dragon steamboat
at seventy and whipping him like a dog in the
fifties like it was. So that's what it took for
him to get booze. And there were still cheers when
he was cutting his promo. They were still like, you
know what, You're still my guy, dude. So it's like
MJF says, he goes, I may be a scumbag, but
I'm your scumbag, Like he gets it more than anyone else.

(29:21):
Like it's the audience is just different now there. They
know everything. They know everything, the fake stuff, the real stuff.
So I think the wrestlers that are leaning into that
are the ones that are getting the most over right now,
That's what I think, Jeff.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I agree with that. But if you're gonna make him
a bad guy, might as well make them two bad
guys that are still together.

Speaker 1 (29:40):
Uh Friday Night SmackDown, sir. The best storyline is the bloodline,
But the storyline I want to talk about is the
Santos Escobar one against Austin theory. For the United States Championship,
everything was lined up for Santos to get the title,
and then all of a sudden last night during an interview,
he gets ambushed again and he gets his legs smashed

(30:02):
in a transport crate right on his knee. Oh money,
and then everybody runs in, Oh my god, your knee,
and then they're gonna have the match later, and he
tapes up the bad knee and he's limping, but he's
gonna wrestle and he's already got to win on this guy,
so he believes in himself. And then that son of
a bitch, Austin Theory runs out again. Chop block wow,

(30:24):
right to the back of the knee. Ah, and he's down.
And Austin Theory goes into the middle of the ring
and cuts a promo on the guy, just chop block
and it's not gonna wrestle. It's such a bitch move.
It's just a ultimate heal bullshit. And Ray and the
LWO come out an official and Adam Pearce come out,
and Adam Pearce has had enough of Austin Theory's nonsense

(30:46):
and Ray Mysterio's fuming but clearly recovered from his whiplash
that he suffered a few weeks ago and Adam Pierce
is like, you're gonna talk all that shit up there,
Austin Theory, Well, guess what you are gonna wrestle, and
it's Ray Stereo. And Ray takes off his best and
cruises down, slides into the ring and starts whipping ass
all over. Austin Theory gets the win, does a really

(31:09):
cool six one nine. The Theory's back. And you always
know when a guy is gonna lose the title is
they sell an injury harder than they ever sell it
when they're gonna lose, and they and the way they go,
oh no, it's the back, but did it? So he
takes the six one nine to the back and he's like,
oh my back, and then he gets drop kicked into
the ropes, right into the ropes, and then Ray hits

(31:30):
him with another six to one nine and he drops
on him boom and gets the one two three, and
now he's the United States Champion. Now what I thought
originally a plan could be when I thought La Knight
was on SmackDown was to set La Night up to
take the US Championship off of Ray. If you want

(31:52):
to be a heel or off of Austin theory if
you want to be a baby face. Then when Santos
was gonna get I was like, oh shit, they're given
Santos a push and La Knight. They're just putting wherever
they want and they just know that he's over so
they can just put him with the miss. Apparently I
didn't know they'd put him with the miss. So I'm like,
all right, cool, Santos is getting the pushed. This guy's

(32:14):
money ever since they did that World Cup. That was
when I got really hipped to him that Ricochet Matci had,
which was crazy. I'm like, all right, here we go.
And then they do this. Now, this is one of
two things. It was either on the day they changed
it and this was the fix that the boss gave
because it seems very old school to do it. So

(32:36):
maybe something happened where they just believed in them all
the way up until the moment and then said no,
let's back off, let's wait, or this was the story
all along and they actually have a storyline for the
LWO between Santos and Ray and we can and then
they're figuring out or already have figured out, whether he's
going to turn on Rey Ray or if it's just

(32:58):
going to be a mono imano, let's see who the
better man is LWO for life. I don't know which
way they're going to go. I think Santos plays a
heel really well. Usually when he's been a heel in WWE,
he's had a mouthpiece, which I don't think he needs.
And I think the way to go, even though I
love him and I want to see him a Latino
as a babyface, but you're never going to be more

(33:20):
babyface than Ray, so you might as well go the
exact opposite direction and give him evil Sanatos Escobar. That's
my theory, my working theory on the defeat of Austin theory.
And what do you think, sir?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I'm just confused on why they are what's the point
of injuring him, Like like I don't I don't get
that choice if it was you know, like, yeah, I
don't see why you do that. If he's getting these
pushes and it's working, I like Santos, I don't really
understand what they're doing with that, Like why injure his ankle?

(33:56):
Like why, Like I don't don't.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I don't get That's why I worry it was a
day of decision, and that's why it was kind of
crappy creative. That's what I'm worried about too, But I'm
hopeful that it's storyline and just that part of the
story's week and the next chapter in the book is
an awesome chapter. Santos versus Ray Hope as the.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Fan club of the l WO over here at WWS
we Love We Love the l WO.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
It's pronounced lo wo. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Hey, if you're gonna yeah phonetically lo WHOA.

Speaker 1 (34:27):
All right, dude, let's end the show on Jay Usso
he had a segment with Roman, or Roman had a
segment that he interrupted Jay. Just his walkout is electric like,
his eyes dart back and forth, the pacing is almost catlike,
his hands grabbing his face because it's his face is uncomfortable.

(34:48):
He doesn't know if he wants to laugh or scream.
Just the walkout and he's over. It's it's crazy. I
said this before, he'd be the worst poker player ever,
Like you know exactly what he's thinking about. Oh, you
have King, King and it's a spade and a heart.
I got you again. He goes into the ring and
it's game on. There's solo in Roman and and Paul

(35:13):
Haymon and then here comes Jimmy and so the whole
bloodline's back together. Yeah, no, the bloodline is in a
lot of trouble. Roman Reins forced to laugh that you
were making fun of me on the text chance You're like, yo,
Freddy's gonna.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Freddie hates fake laughs, and this laugh was the fakes.
It's like just terrible, terrible Roman Reigns laugh.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
It was rough. It was a rough laugh and I
did cringe when I when I heard, I was like,
oh that was He didn't think that was funny at all.
But anyway, this story is between oh, no, you did
not record the last you did not record?

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Tell you that he did regard a little bonus feature
for the episode. No, but the segment was good, right,
he liked it, or what he would?

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I did? I really did, man. But the story was
between Jimmy and Jay, and Jimmy tried to give an excuse.
I don't know if it was written as well as
it could have been or executed as well as it
could have been, but he tried to give his excuses
to why. And his excuse was, it's not that I
didn't want you to lose to him. I didn't want

(36:30):
you to become him, and that's what would have happened
if you would have won. And then what happens to
us and everything that we've built, We exist together. It
was that Twins speech where they have that magic connection
that makes us think all twins are weird. Right, it's
got to be, it's got to exist in that world
that promo on. I didn't know if it one hundred
percent did, but Jimmy did his best with what was written,

(36:52):
and I thought got it across enough that Jay had
enough to react to. And they had left the camera
either on a two shot or on Jay for most
of it, and he's just like, it's crazy just to
watch him react, Like you can just leave it on
him the whole time and just listen to everybody else
talk and you wouldn't change a channel or get bored
or even feel uncomfortable. And he says, basically, look, I

(37:14):
know how you feel if you want to kick me
in a face, kick me in a face. And he
stands there and Jay won't do it, and he clears
the ring and then Jay just starts whipping ass on
everybody who bah super Kick to You solo Sakoa, can
you get some of this? He's like, no, you're gonna
get some of this. Bah gets his ass, beats up everybody.
It takes a super punch right to the face play him.

(37:36):
He goes down, Roman Reigns is pissed off, Jimmy's or
Jay's not done yet. It gets back up again. Foy,
He's whipping everybody's ass, gets out of the ring. His
brother's walking away, and he looks at his brother. He's like,
where are you going? And Jimmy's like what. He's like,
where are you going? He's like what, man, what? And
he's got his arms kind of out a little bit
and he's like, oh, okay, okay. And the brothers start

(37:57):
running towards each other. They're gonna hug because Jay's giving him.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
No he hasn't.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
Fop ah superkick right to your face too. And then
to the camera mic not on the ring microphone where
the audience can hear him, he says, that's it. I'm
out the bloodline, I'm out of SmackDown, I'm out the
WWE ooces deuces and he just goes out through the
crowd and it was such a wicked exit. Man, I

(38:22):
loved it so much. I got to assume you love
this segment, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:26):
The segment's good. But what I can't understand or get
my head around is well, I guess I do understand it.
I know what they're doing. It's great and it's good TV,
and we like it. It's good, it's.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Good, it works.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
But they're doing the whole like Lord of the Rings,
you know, like to be tribal chief, Like the power corrupts,
you know, like the responsibility of being the tribal chief
is it seduces you the power of it. And I
didn't want you to get that, because you do, you'd
become exactly what romans become and all this different stuff.
But like, are we missing a real opportunity here to

(38:58):
show how badass the Bloodline is? Like why does all
of the conflicts come from within? Why can't we be
making the Bloodline this badass faction and this badass like
stable that just kicks ass and takes his names instead,
it's just them bickering internally, feels like a you know,

(39:19):
real Housewife's of WWE situation. It's just social like such like,
But but you said this, and I want this, and
I want to wear the necklace, and I it's like,
just go out and beat some some asses that aren't
in the bloodline. Get your shit together and be the
guys that are bad ass. Instead, it's like week after
week of But when I'm your brother and he's the

(39:41):
leader and I want to be the leader, I just
like I like it. It's fine. But I think that
they're really missing an opportunity. They're going to break up
before we ever saw how powerful they could be.

Speaker 1 (39:51):
Jeff, is my opinion. Tell the people, are you going
to be in Atlanta this weekend? Are you going to
perform this weekend? Or when you're working? Oh?

Speaker 2 (39:58):
No, I've been every night. I've been at the last school.
So if you want to see me seven nights a week,
I'm at the Laughing School in Midtown in Atlanta. They've
been very nice to me. I just show up and
they go, yeah, anytime you want to go on, I'm
gonna be at a Braves game.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Are you three?

Speaker 2 (40:11):
I don't have a scheduled yet, but it's looking like
it's shaping on. I'll be either a Braves game or
laughing schol if you want to see me.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
All right, and all you Atlanta Braves fans that listen.
I know a lot of wrestling fans in Atlanta. Hit
them up on social media. Tell him Jeff I needs
to throw out the first pitch. Help us out with that.
Jeff's already thrown at like five hundred ballparks out of
a thousand, so let them get all thousand. All right, y'all,
Thank you for listening. Stay tuned Thursday for unsanctioned Thursdays
with me and Jeff jackpod Dye, and we'll give you

(40:39):
guys a little collision love and talk about whatever else
happens on behalf of the greatest co host ever. I'm
Freddie Prince Junior. This is Wrestling with Friends.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
We out. Follow us on Instagram, Wrestling with Freddy, Twitter
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Speaker 1 (41:02):
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