September 20, 2023 • 27 mins
This week Jeff and I bring you a treat. We debate, relive, and discuss the best and worst storylines from the past 20 years as we see it. From epic rivalries to shocking plot twists - we dive deep into these unforgettable moments. But that's not all! We also analyze which wrestling superstars made the biggest impression as actors on the big screen.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Now you're mate events. Introducing the hosts, I'm wrestling with
Freddy Jeff died Hand, Freddy Prince ju Nior. What's up everybody?
Welcome to another episode of Wrestling with Friends. I'm your host,
Freddy Prinz Junior. With me as always is mister Jeff
(00:24):
Die aka Lord Jeoffrey, tag team partner of William Regal
or Steven Riegal. He loved him no matter what gimmick
he was rocking. Let's start lushong, mister Jeff, how are
you good, sir bruv?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
How you feeling?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Feeling pretty darn good. I'm a little grayer, a little older,
but I might not be any wiser, but I still
feel good. I got at least at least three decades
left on this planet.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
If it's done with give you eighty more years, at
least three eighty more eighty Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Want to be around eighty one.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We need you, We need you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Do we want to live forever? Is that? Or do
we embrace the fact that it ends?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You want to live to see Rocky and Charlotte get
like ninety and then you can go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'll be old as a mug. I'll be old old
as hell. I don't know that, old man. Maybe just
to see if they want to have kids, to see grandkids.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No, that's that's easy, and old enough that they won't
that they won't cry too hard when I'm gone. They
got to be old enough where they can deal with it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah, Well when that you're ninety, they'll be old
enough to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They might be old and grumpy by then and hate me.
Anybody knows me long enough, it's about to happen ridiculous. Well,
you've got me thinking introspectively today, and I think today's
episode should should work off that theme, and we should
talk about the value of writing storytelling in ring and
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out of ring in the professional wrestling business. For those
of you who don't know, I wrote for the WWE
on two different instants and tried to help wrestlers write
their own promos more the second time I was there.
I love professional wrestling. I'm the first to acknowledge when
the writing's not where it should be, but sometimes they
get it right. You and I might disagree on a
lot of these, but I think it's important for us
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to discuss the main things that are important in making
us care right. You have to have an emotional investment
and a business investment. The audiences are smart now. If
they don't think you're behind the talent, they're not going
to get behind the talent. Second is character development, which
would probably be your favorite. Whether you're coming up with
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a gimmick profession type wrestling like in the eighties, whether
you're an IRS agent or a hockey player or a
half man, half beast or whatever you were, or if
you're using your name and you can simply and eloquently
explain to me why you want to wrestle, that's your
character development. Why you're here, what shaped you, what broke you,
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what inspired you to come back? All those things are important. Thirdly,
building anticipation of matches, not just giving us the match
right away, making us want the match. Boxing promoters are famous,
infamous for doing this for way too long, to the
point where both guys are past their prime and we
don't want to watch them fight anymore. Look at Floyd
Mayweather Manny Paciel's for an example of that. Also, there
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has to be a resolution to this, and the best
way to do it is for both people to come
out looking good, regardless of the winner, and loser, right,
you want to both guys in the match or both
girls in the match need to get over right. That's
the resolution of it. And then the in ring stuff,
the inn ring psychology, the stories they're going to tell.
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Is it an injury storyline? Is it a comeback storyline?
Like Jimmy Connors and Wimbledon back in the eighties when
he was like forty three and made this crazy run
to I think the semifinals or quarterfinals, but people the
jit started to believe and think he was going to win.
You could equate that to the raymy Stereo storyline of
him having to climb the mountain time and time again.
Can't he do it this time? And he finally makes it,
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but he can't hold on because he's too small. The
bigger guy always kills him. All these types of things
helped drive the stories that we've loved. And so today
I'm not just gonna talk the whole time about how
to tell a story. We're going to talk about some
of those stories, and a lot of them are from
the ara that you love the most, the Attitude Era.
Now my philosophy on the Attitude eras they only had
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a couple good stories. I was not a fan of
the writing back then. And I know I'm in the minority,
and I know every you can say, oh you suck
Fredd of your opinion, totally cool. It just for the
most part wasn't for me, Like the black wedding things
like that, Like those things just didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Definitely swung for the fences.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
A lot of those they definitely swung for the fences.
I'll give it to him for that. But they did
have a couple and that's what we're going to get
into today, Jeff. Just off the top of your head,
what are a couple of your or your very favorite
storyline from that era? Canaan Undertaker revenge is always a
good story.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And then Stone Cold versus Vince as far as like
just the just terrorizing his boss. I liked that a lot.
I'm trying to think I did like when they would
make it a country thing for whatever reason, maybe I
was just young or something. But the Canada versus America
versus Puerto Rico, which is hilarious, the lowest Buddy was
were literally like Puerto Rico had been a part of
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America for over one hundred years and they're waving a
flag like it's a whole separate country, and then the
fans are making it. It's almost like they're not aware
that it's part of America. So it's kind of a funny.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I thought that was hilarious. There have been plenty of
bad ones as well. To me, one of the one
of the most infamous bad ones was Who's trying to
kill Stone Cold Steve Austin? And it was the who
done it? For the WWF or WWE maybe by that
and it ends up being Rakishi. And for those of
you who don't know, Rakishi was as very gigantic human
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being with the biggest ass that I've ever seen on
any human and he was famous for smashing that big
booty in people's face. Yeah so big. Kanye West would
have dated him, so yeah. So to me, this was
a trickier a trickier time. I will I will say
this just about everything they did with mankind should have failed,
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and the fact that they pulled it off at such
a high level with this dude, and credit to him
because the stories and writing are ridiculous. It has to
be his caricatures and characters, which are two different things.
And it's not just because of the spelling. It's it's
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important people understand how fine a talent Mick Foley was.
I don't know if he could act in a movie. Okay,
I don't know if you gave him a scene, if
he'd be able to break it down and give you
an eloquent performance in a mainstream movie. But what he
was capable of doing, especially with mankind, how do you
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feel sorry for a serial killer with a leather face mask? Yeah,
how the hell can you make me feel sorry for you?
But he did it at the highest level to where
he came off vulnerable and scared and met and he
just needs a friend, sweat. He looks the way he
looks Yet to me, he's There were very few attraction wrestlers, right,
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the Undertaker being the last one, bray Wyatt. You could say,
you could argue bray Wyatt, But the one that was
the most fun, the one that was the most special,
and he may not be my favorite, but the one
that was the most fun was always Mankind. For Mankind
to dude Love, Dude Love was the man. He's like
the Lost Beaches Brothers like, he was the man all
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the way to Cactus Jack with that great line, what
is I'd rather fight a man than love a woman.
And I'm sitting there like, what, I would never rather
do that? What do you mean in the middle of
puberty when he's saying that. But I still cheered and
rooted for this dude because he was so committed to
each and every one of these multiple frigging personalities in
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his head. You gotta love mankind.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
My buddy, a fellow comedian, Brad Wenzel, he's married and
his wife lets wrestling be his like thing, you know,
you know, like wives and husbands have to just say, hey,
you know that's what my that's what my spouse likes.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Just let him have it whatever it is, you know, Yeah,
I'm in one of those.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, every I think every marriage is. You know, it's
like you say, yeah, we like different things, and that's okay,
it's it's whatever. You don't tease him about it. It's
just let them have what they like. You love the
person and not all their things. But serre's the thing,
my buddy, Brad WENZELI his wife just never understood how
he could love wrestling. I was so stupid. She saw
how much time he was watching and she just couldn't
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believe it. What eventually made her come over and be
a wrestling fan was the fact that Mick Foley could
play Dude Love, Mankind, and Cactus Jack in the same
episode of a wrestling maybe it was a pay per
view when he came out to the Royal Rumble, I
think as all different characters, and she saw the way
she saw the way that like we treated that one
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man who's clearly got multiple personalities or schizophrenia or whatever
the character's supposed to be. We the way we saw
it is three different people, like, yeah, dude loves here now,
which is like so funny. She was like, Oh, I
get it. I get why this is fun and why
this is silly. So like it was, it's almost like
dude Love, Cactus Jack, and Mankind fit the bill of
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Mankind's kind of lovable, Like I'm struggling with who I
am to fit the storyline of like, oh, when he
wants to be cool, he's dude Love, and when he
when he when he's got to do business, he's cacked
his jack. And the real guy's kind of mankind like
this like tortured to have a nice day, you know,
kind of guy. So I think that that characters is
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super complex, even if they didn't mean for it to be.
We might be giving him too much credit, but it
is really layered. If you if you if you want
to believe.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That about him, If if they did get lucky, and
I believe they did, that's even more credit to Mick Foley, sure,
because then it's it's ninety nine point nine nine percent
on him. I mean that that promo he did in
the bowels of that that arena with the rat was, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
What was it like in the boiler room or something?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
The boiler room? Yeah, yeah, they were gonna have a
boiler room bro I think was the name of the match.
Never been done before. It's perfect, But all that like
his voice even in that promo, like it's he's not
trying to scare anybody. He's just explaining, like what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And it also just seems like he doesn't really want
to be that guy. He's he seems like a sweet guy.
He's been pushed into a corner and now he's got
a fight. He's he's ripping his hair around.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Tells people to have a nice day, man, like he
wants everyone to be happy. There's a lot of dude
love in mankind to me, the very worst storyline, not
the worst, but one of the worst was between Kurt
Angle and Booker T. And it's a shame because their
matches were I'll say this for the attitude there. I
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think I've said this before. Their matches are the best,
the best. It was the storylines that made me want
to change a channel because they were ridiculous and beyond
the beyond the pale, all right, But this one in
particular was Kurt Angle versus Booker T to see Who's
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gonna get Booker T's wife, Queen Charmel, And Kurt Angle
has a promo where he talks about how he's not
just into sexuality, he's into beast reality. Yeah, and he
commits so hard. You see him trying so hard to
get this over that you legit. We're like, yo, Kurt
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Angle's coming off like a crazy psychopath in this and
I'm trying to keep a straight face while watching it
and I can't. I can't, like, I can't do it.
It was so hard to watch, and I just I'm
sure you loved it. I just don't know how. I
don't know how it got over. I don't know how
does someone say yes, when they get pitched that. So
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here's the pitch, Jeff, We're gonna have Booker T and
Kurt Angle to wrestle. But but Kurt Angle has ulterior motives.
He wants the one thing Booker T could never live without.
King Booker loves his queen. He wants Queen Charmel. Oh okay,
that's great. Yeah, but he doesn't want to have sex
with her. He wants to have best reality sex with
her and working to say that on live national television. Ah, god, damn,
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that's a great idea, Like, how does that here?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Here's how the restler responds. What did Vince say? Vince said,
that's a good idea. Yeah, let's try it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Let's try it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I just want to keep my job. I'd like to
keep my job.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You a lie, dude.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
There's no way anyone. There's no way anyone in This
isn't even a modern day thing. It's not like we're
looking backwards and going, well it was a different time, beast.
Reality has never been a thing that anybody was like,
well it is nineteen ninety two. No, it's always been
a problems or not a problem. It's always been a
thing that's been frowned upon. Even now, in the most
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wildly sexual liberal times of history of our planet, people
are still going no, no, no, no, not beast reality.
That's not part of the group.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Everything else I have to be okay with, but not that,
not that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
One that's still inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And then the two best or one you mentioned already
and we've talked about it before, but I can talk
about it all day long, every day because I love
wrestling is Stone Cold and Vince McMahon because it's the
employee beating the crafts out of their boss fantasy coming
true for all of us. And the other one is
Eddie Guerrero and Raymi Sterio and the hoosier poppy dominic storyline.
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I loved this. Now I will say this, I love
every story that Eddie's been in, even the bad ones,
all right, because I loved Eddie Guerrero. He wrestled so
differently than everyone else. He broke rules as a good guy.
When I was a kid, I always liked the bad
guys because they broke the rules. The little sheet they
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would grab the rope to get more leverage on the submission,
and the ref would be like, ah, I can't do that,
and he's okay, I'll do it again, and they would
never get disqualified, so why would you stop? And this
was a good guy. People were cheering for him, and
it made me feel just and rooting for the Iron
Sheet back in the day as anti American as I
must have. The Hoosier Poppy one was like nighttime soap opera,
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like melrose Place or Dallas or Falcon's Crest back in
the day, the hardcore no Falcon's Crest, but Dallas was
like the more mainstream one, right, and it was the
Ewing family and all that kind of craft, very Game
of Thrones but in the oil industry, and this had
that kind of drama because it was I slept with
this person. You slept with this person who's really his father.
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And they brought Ray's actual son out there for these
segments and he was such this he's not asshole dominic
that we all hate today and is already so over.
The moment he opens his mouth, they bow him. This
was sweet boy, looked like he was ten years old
looking up into the eyes of his father. So heartbreaking.
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And then to get to watch them fight, and I
had seen them fight in WCW when Eddie was ripping
off Luchador's masks and shit being the most disrespectful professional
wrestler in the game, and then to get to watch
them do that magic all over again and even evolve
it so much because they were both so much better
was just crazy. So that I can give love to
the Attitude era, just only twice.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So because we've talked so much about the Vince mcmon
getting his ass beat by his employee or Vince or
stone Call getting to beat up his boss, I'd like
to say maybe put this out there for debate. There
is a show called Dark Side of the Ring that
Chris Jericho and Team Mayeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Season three just came out there on Vice. You can
watch them on YouTube, you can watch them on a
lot of things. There's an episode season two, episode seven.
It's it's about David Schultz, the guy who slapped the
reporter to be like, is that real? It does that
seem fake?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
John John Moffett I think was the guy's name, something
like that, Mastaf something like that, and screw that guy. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it sucked, And that's what they try to make
the tire episode about. But what's fascinating is when they're
introducing the wrestling fans or the viewer who might not
be aware of wrestling at all, because you don't need
to like wrestling to watch those episodes.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
They introduce you to a wrestler named David Schultz. Now,
everything about David Schultz and everything about what David Schultz
and Vince McMahon told storyline was almost like the dress
rehearsal for what they did with Stone Cold Steve Austin.
They did every single thing that you see Stone Cold
do with Vince, David Schultz once did with Vince, and
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he was the most over bad guy in all of
like wrestling until that slap. When the slap happened, they're like, shit,
we're gonna get sued. Let's send him off to Japan.
Maybe we can revisit this when he comes back. Or
like once this kind of whole thing blows over, and
then David Schultz basically got like blacklisted because it cost
the company so much money and it was a huge thing.
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But they did everything they did, David Schultz pulling a
gun on Vince and Vince being like a is that loaded?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And the whole thing is they kind of did a
more candy corn version of that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When it came to that's right, they had like a
promo of him with his family and he was like
like beating his kids something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Remble thing where it was like this guy who's just
a real Texas rattlesnake who ain't afraid to tell the
boss how it is, and I'm just that's the guy
that I and he was getting. He was over as
a bad guy same way stone Cold was very not
a classic face or babyface. It worked, and so I
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think that's interesting. It was almost like he learned from
his mistakes because they got a lot of trouble being
like David Schultz is like literally like talking trash to
his wife and being like don't talk back, and like
smacking his children around, and then like pulling a real
gun on Vince McMahon. And so then they took those
elements and they're like, all right, well, Vince stone Cold
could be like a white trash guy, but we don't
want him hitting a woman, so let's leave that out
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of there. Even though Vince even a Stonecold, did do
that in real life a few times. But then they
kept the parts that worked, you know, the parts of
like him screw with the boss and him, you know,
not taking no ship from nobody. And then they kept
the gun part, except instead it had a little flag
that said bang that made Vince p himself in the ring.
It's almost that they took everything they learned from the
David Schultz Vince McMahon's story and made it a bigger, better,
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stronger thing. That made Stone Cold the biggest wrestler in
in arguably the history.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Of He became famous for something else after he stopped resting.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He became like a bounty hunter and like, which was crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There was a case in Puerto Rico that he helped out.
I remember my Poppoles had a butcher shop that was
close to the place where he busted a guy in
Puerto Rico, and that's why. That's right. He was a
bounty hunter and thought he was a cop.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But yeah, it was like, it was amazing how good
he was at it. He was like immediately good at
being a bounty hunter, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Next, he beat your ass for real, dude. Guy was
big And I.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Think the worst storyline that I can think of off
the top of my head, they did a story where
Triple H was is revealing the past of Cain, and
in the story, he was like, I don't know how
this even got passed. You're talking about pitching episode or
pitching storylines to wrestlers, and how did they agree. Basically,
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they alleged that Cain was so in love with a
woman that he not only like sexually assaulted her, but
she died, he killed her. And Triple H tells the
story of how like this whole thing was covered and
that's why that's why Caine was really gone so long,
is because he had done this terrible thing to a woman,
and like, and the story is so awful that it
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shows Triple H going into the coffin of the young
lady that is deceased and Triple H having sex on
television with a woman in a coffin and you can't
see them. I swear to you as you look it
up as the worst storyline I've ever ever seen. And
I know the only reason I remember it is because
I was alive. It's not like I went looking for
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the worst things. Like I remember being like, this is crazy,
Kane did that, Like Kane Martin, Like I was really
because I'm you know, even now struggle with what's real
and what storyline. I definitely was struggling with it when
I was twelve, So I'm going away. Did Kane really
kill lady? Wait? I can't support this guy. He killed
the lady and like it was really, really, really gross,
a really weird story that sounds worse than the Hull
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Cogan Kevin Sullivan when it gets transported to.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The nether world that he's like, where's all the whole
Commandia like caring for and he's horrified and scared.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Do you think that was a suburban commando idea?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
God? I hope not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I think maybe they were doing that because they were
trying to like segue into like him doing the movies
because Kevin Sullivan's in suburban Commando.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Can't Oh my god. I let's rank actors or wrestlers
turned actors from worse to first. Here we go, Okay, worst,
I'm gonna say Hull Cogan because he was absolutely horrible
in all those movies. You Haul Cogan's the worst acting movies. Yeah,
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then from there it gets significantly better. If you count
Zeu's Tiny Zeus's Lister, then we could now he'd be
high up there because he was good in Friday. Next
would be The Rock, then would be John Cena, and
then I put Batista at the top of that list
because that dude gets better every single movie.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Knocking the Cabin by m Night Shanala.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah yeah, bro. And here's what's crazy is like, and
John and The Rock both are good actors, but they're
doing the same thing. Like that's their vein, they know it,
that's their that's their brand, and they stick with that.
That's never going to challenge you and and help you
evolve until they do something like an independence out of
that character. Dave won't do the same character twice unless
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it's a sequel, like, he just won't. Like he challenges
himself constantly with different types of roles, from that weird
hospital movie with Jody Foster where he's the orderly all
the way to knock at the Cabin all the way
to doune all the way to everything he does is different. Man,
he's tried like a kid comedy. He's tried. I think
he's tried a cop comedy. Eventually, I'm sure he'll do
a wrong com like. I know he's looking for different
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stuff and I respect him so much for that. But
he's the best actor out of every wrestler.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think honorable mention is Andre the Giant Princess Bride.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Double honorable mention, Andre And I forgot Roddy Roddy Piper
from They Live. I forget artwork of of that movie
all over my house. Our Hell Comes to Frogtown. Roddy
Piper was in, which was really good. Andre the Giant
also played Sasquatch and the Million Dollar manth he did,
but that wasn't acting. You just grunted, Yeah, but he
was cool.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I just it's two of my favorite was cool Bigfoot
and a wrestler tow of my favorite things. Sasha Banks
is in Mandalorian. Let's give that time her have more work. Yeah,
let her have more work on camera and then she
can she can work her way into that into that
group as long as Yard had a bunch of wrestlers
in it. And there's a scene that is so cringey
that I feel like if anybody started to like flare,
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like just even start to put that on, maybe TikTok
or something like Stone Cold would like lose his career
if more people we're aware of that scene. It is
so cringey. Kevin Nash played Super Shredder and teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles, and was also in that Stripper movie.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So that's pretty big shout out to Kevin Nash. I
love Kevin Nash. I got to work with him a
little bit. I love love Kevin Nash an E Show,
and he was so cool. Dude, he's such a cool guy.
Who's talking to me about PRP, that platelet replacement stuff
where they take your cells out and spin them and
then read.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Maybe that's his secret and that's how he got to
be six foot ten and looking great at age whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I feel like he and I look a lot alike,
wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You and Kevin Nash, Yeah, you're not six foot ten.
He's a freak.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But I'm up there. I'm up there.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, I think the worst actors, and this will be
very controversial, the worst wrestler actors, because I agree with
you Bautis is number one. Him as Drax is so good,
and him him as He's the Mass just such a
good actor. So I think the worst and maybe i'm biased.
Ron Around terrible. She was in What is Expendable? She's
still like pretty.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Much any kind of action.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, she's terrible. And then I think John Cena is
not good. I think John Cena was phenomenal in the
movie train Wreck, and I was like, oh, this dude
can act like that was really good and he there
was good delivery.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Good times with that romantic comedy, right yeah, and Amy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Schumer is a professional comedian, so the script was probably
so funny that it was easy to make John Cena
look funny because John Cena knows how to read lines
and whatever. He was great and it was very, very funny,
and I was like, oh, man, he's got a future
in acting. And then everything he's done since I don't
buy it, he has to play like some crazy character
that doesn't That might only work because the character's so crazy.
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Like let's say Dave Bautista as Jack. Like let's say
everything else he did was bad. You could be like, well,
maybe Daq was just an easy character to play because
it's very one dimensional. So I think that's what happened
with Cena. I don't think he's that great of an actor.
I think he was in One good Thing, and the
same with ron A Rousei. She points a gun at
people and runs around as an action star. It's like
those are the two worst I think. I think whul
Cogan just doesn't know how to be anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
But Huld Cogan, Well, that's not as fault exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's why. That's why I'm not saying he's the worst,
is because I think hol Gogan's just like I'm the
hosture baby. Whether you make him an alien or whether
you make him a nanny, he's gonna be like, oh
what's up, bro?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like, that's what I'm saying. He's not He's not an
act to me. It's like Ronda Rousey. He's not an actor.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it's not fair too.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
He just doesn't know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, So all right, those are mine.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, this episode was all over the place, but I
had a lot of fun doing it. You guys, stay
tuned for Thursday. Bonus content will touch a little bit
on my favorite storyline that I was ever a part
of and will probably side quest and go off the
rails again on that too on Behalf of Jeff. I
will see y'all Thursday.
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Now you're mate events. Introducing the hosts, I'm wrestling with
Freddy Jeff died Hand, Freddy Prince ju Nior. What's up everybody?
Welcome to another episode of Wrestling with Friends. I'm your host,
Freddy Prinz Junior. With me as always is mister Jeff
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Die aka Lord Jeoffrey, tag team partner of William Regal
or Steven Riegal. He loved him no matter what gimmick
he was rocking. Let's start lushong, mister Jeff, how are
you good, sir bruv?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
How you feeling?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Feeling pretty darn good. I'm a little grayer, a little older,
but I might not be any wiser, but I still
feel good. I got at least at least three decades
left on this planet.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
If it's done with give you eighty more years, at
least three eighty more eighty Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Want to be around eighty one.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We need you, We need you.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Do we want to live forever? Is that? Or do
we embrace the fact that it ends?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
You want to live to see Rocky and Charlotte get
like ninety and then you can go.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I'll be old as a mug. I'll be old old
as hell. I don't know that, old man. Maybe just
to see if they want to have kids, to see grandkids.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
No, that's that's easy, and old enough that they won't
that they won't cry too hard when I'm gone. They
got to be old enough where they can deal with it.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah. Yeah, Well when that you're ninety, they'll be old
enough to deal with it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
They might be old and grumpy by then and hate me.
Anybody knows me long enough, it's about to happen ridiculous. Well,
you've got me thinking introspectively today, and I think today's
episode should should work off that theme, and we should
talk about the value of writing storytelling in ring and
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out of ring in the professional wrestling business. For those
of you who don't know, I wrote for the WWE
on two different instants and tried to help wrestlers write
their own promos more the second time I was there.
I love professional wrestling. I'm the first to acknowledge when
the writing's not where it should be, but sometimes they
get it right. You and I might disagree on a
lot of these, but I think it's important for us
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to discuss the main things that are important in making
us care right. You have to have an emotional investment
and a business investment. The audiences are smart now. If
they don't think you're behind the talent, they're not going
to get behind the talent. Second is character development, which
would probably be your favorite. Whether you're coming up with
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a gimmick profession type wrestling like in the eighties, whether
you're an IRS agent or a hockey player or a
half man, half beast or whatever you were, or if
you're using your name and you can simply and eloquently
explain to me why you want to wrestle, that's your
character development. Why you're here, what shaped you, what broke you,
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what inspired you to come back? All those things are important. Thirdly,
building anticipation of matches, not just giving us the match
right away, making us want the match. Boxing promoters are famous,
infamous for doing this for way too long, to the
point where both guys are past their prime and we
don't want to watch them fight anymore. Look at Floyd
Mayweather Manny Paciel's for an example of that. Also, there
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has to be a resolution to this, and the best
way to do it is for both people to come
out looking good, regardless of the winner, and loser, right,
you want to both guys in the match or both
girls in the match need to get over right. That's
the resolution of it. And then the in ring stuff,
the inn ring psychology, the stories they're going to tell.
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Is it an injury storyline? Is it a comeback storyline?
Like Jimmy Connors and Wimbledon back in the eighties when
he was like forty three and made this crazy run
to I think the semifinals or quarterfinals, but people the
jit started to believe and think he was going to win.
You could equate that to the raymy Stereo storyline of
him having to climb the mountain time and time again.
Can't he do it this time? And he finally makes it,
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but he can't hold on because he's too small. The
bigger guy always kills him. All these types of things
helped drive the stories that we've loved. And so today
I'm not just gonna talk the whole time about how
to tell a story. We're going to talk about some
of those stories, and a lot of them are from
the ara that you love the most, the Attitude Era.
Now my philosophy on the Attitude eras they only had
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a couple good stories. I was not a fan of
the writing back then. And I know I'm in the minority,
and I know every you can say, oh you suck
Fredd of your opinion, totally cool. It just for the
most part wasn't for me, Like the black wedding things
like that, Like those things just didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Definitely swung for the fences.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
A lot of those they definitely swung for the fences.
I'll give it to him for that. But they did
have a couple and that's what we're going to get
into today, Jeff. Just off the top of your head,
what are a couple of your or your very favorite
storyline from that era? Canaan Undertaker revenge is always a
good story.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
And then Stone Cold versus Vince as far as like
just the just terrorizing his boss. I liked that a lot.
I'm trying to think I did like when they would
make it a country thing for whatever reason, maybe I
was just young or something. But the Canada versus America
versus Puerto Rico, which is hilarious, the lowest Buddy was
were literally like Puerto Rico had been a part of
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America for over one hundred years and they're waving a
flag like it's a whole separate country, and then the
fans are making it. It's almost like they're not aware
that it's part of America. So it's kind of a funny.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
I thought that was hilarious. There have been plenty of
bad ones as well. To me, one of the one
of the most infamous bad ones was Who's trying to
kill Stone Cold Steve Austin? And it was the who
done it? For the WWF or WWE maybe by that
and it ends up being Rakishi. And for those of
you who don't know, Rakishi was as very gigantic human
(06:01):
being with the biggest ass that I've ever seen on
any human and he was famous for smashing that big
booty in people's face. Yeah so big. Kanye West would
have dated him, so yeah. So to me, this was
a trickier a trickier time. I will I will say
this just about everything they did with mankind should have failed,
(06:27):
and the fact that they pulled it off at such
a high level with this dude, and credit to him
because the stories and writing are ridiculous. It has to
be his caricatures and characters, which are two different things.
And it's not just because of the spelling. It's it's
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important people understand how fine a talent Mick Foley was.
I don't know if he could act in a movie. Okay,
I don't know if you gave him a scene, if
he'd be able to break it down and give you
an eloquent performance in a mainstream movie. But what he
was capable of doing, especially with mankind, how do you
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feel sorry for a serial killer with a leather face mask? Yeah,
how the hell can you make me feel sorry for you?
But he did it at the highest level to where
he came off vulnerable and scared and met and he
just needs a friend, sweat. He looks the way he
looks Yet to me, he's There were very few attraction wrestlers, right,
(07:38):
the Undertaker being the last one, bray Wyatt. You could say,
you could argue bray Wyatt, But the one that was
the most fun, the one that was the most special,
and he may not be my favorite, but the one
that was the most fun was always Mankind. For Mankind
to dude Love, Dude Love was the man. He's like
the Lost Beaches Brothers like, he was the man all
(08:01):
the way to Cactus Jack with that great line, what
is I'd rather fight a man than love a woman.
And I'm sitting there like, what, I would never rather
do that? What do you mean in the middle of
puberty when he's saying that. But I still cheered and
rooted for this dude because he was so committed to
each and every one of these multiple frigging personalities in
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his head. You gotta love mankind.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
My buddy, a fellow comedian, Brad Wenzel, he's married and
his wife lets wrestling be his like thing, you know,
you know, like wives and husbands have to just say, hey,
you know that's what my that's what my spouse likes.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Just let him have it whatever it is, you know, Yeah,
I'm in one of those.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, every I think every marriage is. You know, it's
like you say, yeah, we like different things, and that's okay,
it's it's whatever. You don't tease him about it. It's
just let them have what they like. You love the
person and not all their things. But serre's the thing,
my buddy, Brad WENZELI his wife just never understood how
he could love wrestling. I was so stupid. She saw
how much time he was watching and she just couldn't
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believe it. What eventually made her come over and be
a wrestling fan was the fact that Mick Foley could
play Dude Love, Mankind, and Cactus Jack in the same
episode of a wrestling maybe it was a pay per
view when he came out to the Royal Rumble, I
think as all different characters, and she saw the way
she saw the way that like we treated that one
(09:31):
man who's clearly got multiple personalities or schizophrenia or whatever
the character's supposed to be. We the way we saw
it is three different people, like, yeah, dude loves here now,
which is like so funny. She was like, Oh, I
get it. I get why this is fun and why
this is silly. So like it was, it's almost like
dude Love, Cactus Jack, and Mankind fit the bill of
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Mankind's kind of lovable, Like I'm struggling with who I
am to fit the storyline of like, oh, when he
wants to be cool, he's dude Love, and when he
when he when he's got to do business, he's cacked
his jack. And the real guy's kind of mankind like
this like tortured to have a nice day, you know,
kind of guy. So I think that that characters is
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super complex, even if they didn't mean for it to be.
We might be giving him too much credit, but it
is really layered. If you if you if you want
to believe.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
That about him, If if they did get lucky, and
I believe they did, that's even more credit to Mick Foley, sure,
because then it's it's ninety nine point nine nine percent
on him. I mean that that promo he did in
the bowels of that that arena with the rat was, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
What was it like in the boiler room or something?
Speaker 1 (10:47):
The boiler room? Yeah, yeah, they were gonna have a
boiler room bro I think was the name of the match.
Never been done before. It's perfect, But all that like
his voice even in that promo, like it's he's not
trying to scare anybody. He's just explaining, like what's gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
And it also just seems like he doesn't really want
to be that guy. He's he seems like a sweet guy.
He's been pushed into a corner and now he's got
a fight. He's he's ripping his hair around.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Tells people to have a nice day, man, like he
wants everyone to be happy. There's a lot of dude
love in mankind to me, the very worst storyline, not
the worst, but one of the worst was between Kurt
Angle and Booker T. And it's a shame because their
matches were I'll say this for the attitude there. I
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think I've said this before. Their matches are the best,
the best. It was the storylines that made me want
to change a channel because they were ridiculous and beyond
the beyond the pale, all right, But this one in
particular was Kurt Angle versus Booker T to see Who's
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gonna get Booker T's wife, Queen Charmel, And Kurt Angle
has a promo where he talks about how he's not
just into sexuality, he's into beast reality. Yeah, and he
commits so hard. You see him trying so hard to
get this over that you legit. We're like, yo, Kurt
(12:19):
Angle's coming off like a crazy psychopath in this and
I'm trying to keep a straight face while watching it
and I can't. I can't, like, I can't do it.
It was so hard to watch, and I just I'm
sure you loved it. I just don't know how. I
don't know how it got over. I don't know how
does someone say yes, when they get pitched that. So
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here's the pitch, Jeff, We're gonna have Booker T and
Kurt Angle to wrestle. But but Kurt Angle has ulterior motives.
He wants the one thing Booker T could never live without.
King Booker loves his queen. He wants Queen Charmel. Oh okay,
that's great. Yeah, but he doesn't want to have sex
with her. He wants to have best reality sex with
her and working to say that on live national television. Ah, god, damn,
(13:03):
that's a great idea, Like, how does that here?
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Here's how the restler responds. What did Vince say? Vince said,
that's a good idea. Yeah, let's try it.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Let's try it.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
I just want to keep my job. I'd like to
keep my job.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You a lie, dude.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
There's no way anyone. There's no way anyone in This
isn't even a modern day thing. It's not like we're
looking backwards and going, well it was a different time, beast.
Reality has never been a thing that anybody was like,
well it is nineteen ninety two. No, it's always been
a problems or not a problem. It's always been a
thing that's been frowned upon. Even now, in the most
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wildly sexual liberal times of history of our planet, people
are still going no, no, no, no, not beast reality.
That's not part of the group.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Everything else I have to be okay with, but not that,
not that.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
One that's still inappropriate.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
And then the two best or one you mentioned already
and we've talked about it before, but I can talk
about it all day long, every day because I love
wrestling is Stone Cold and Vince McMahon because it's the
employee beating the crafts out of their boss fantasy coming
true for all of us. And the other one is
Eddie Guerrero and Raymi Sterio and the hoosier poppy dominic storyline.
(14:19):
I loved this. Now I will say this, I love
every story that Eddie's been in, even the bad ones,
all right, because I loved Eddie Guerrero. He wrestled so
differently than everyone else. He broke rules as a good guy.
When I was a kid, I always liked the bad
guys because they broke the rules. The little sheet they
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would grab the rope to get more leverage on the submission,
and the ref would be like, ah, I can't do that,
and he's okay, I'll do it again, and they would
never get disqualified, so why would you stop? And this
was a good guy. People were cheering for him, and
it made me feel just and rooting for the Iron
Sheet back in the day as anti American as I
must have. The Hoosier Poppy one was like nighttime soap opera,
(15:05):
like melrose Place or Dallas or Falcon's Crest back in
the day, the hardcore no Falcon's Crest, but Dallas was
like the more mainstream one, right, and it was the
Ewing family and all that kind of craft, very Game
of Thrones but in the oil industry, and this had
that kind of drama because it was I slept with
this person. You slept with this person who's really his father.
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And they brought Ray's actual son out there for these
segments and he was such this he's not asshole dominic
that we all hate today and is already so over.
The moment he opens his mouth, they bow him. This
was sweet boy, looked like he was ten years old
looking up into the eyes of his father. So heartbreaking.
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And then to get to watch them fight, and I
had seen them fight in WCW when Eddie was ripping
off Luchador's masks and shit being the most disrespectful professional
wrestler in the game, and then to get to watch
them do that magic all over again and even evolve
it so much because they were both so much better
was just crazy. So that I can give love to
the Attitude era, just only twice.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
So because we've talked so much about the Vince mcmon
getting his ass beat by his employee or Vince or
stone Call getting to beat up his boss, I'd like
to say maybe put this out there for debate. There
is a show called Dark Side of the Ring that
Chris Jericho and Team Mayeah.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Season three just came out there on Vice. You can
watch them on YouTube, you can watch them on a
lot of things. There's an episode season two, episode seven.
It's it's about David Schultz, the guy who slapped the
reporter to be like, is that real? It does that
seem fake?
Speaker 1 (16:50):
John John Moffett I think was the guy's name, something
like that, Mastaf something like that, and screw that guy. Man.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yeah, it sucked, And that's what they try to make
the tire episode about. But what's fascinating is when they're
introducing the wrestling fans or the viewer who might not
be aware of wrestling at all, because you don't need
to like wrestling to watch those episodes.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
They're very good.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
They introduce you to a wrestler named David Schultz. Now,
everything about David Schultz and everything about what David Schultz
and Vince McMahon told storyline was almost like the dress
rehearsal for what they did with Stone Cold Steve Austin.
They did every single thing that you see Stone Cold
do with Vince, David Schultz once did with Vince, and
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he was the most over bad guy in all of
like wrestling until that slap. When the slap happened, they're like, shit,
we're gonna get sued. Let's send him off to Japan.
Maybe we can revisit this when he comes back. Or
like once this kind of whole thing blows over, and
then David Schultz basically got like blacklisted because it cost
the company so much money and it was a huge thing.
(17:55):
But they did everything they did, David Schultz pulling a
gun on Vince and Vince being like a is that loaded?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Like?
Speaker 2 (18:01):
And the whole thing is they kind of did a
more candy corn version of that.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When it came to that's right, they had like a
promo of him with his family and he was like
like beating his kids something.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Remble thing where it was like this guy who's just
a real Texas rattlesnake who ain't afraid to tell the
boss how it is, and I'm just that's the guy
that I and he was getting. He was over as
a bad guy same way stone Cold was very not
a classic face or babyface. It worked, and so I
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think that's interesting. It was almost like he learned from
his mistakes because they got a lot of trouble being
like David Schultz is like literally like talking trash to
his wife and being like don't talk back, and like
smacking his children around, and then like pulling a real
gun on Vince McMahon. And so then they took those
elements and they're like, all right, well, Vince stone Cold
could be like a white trash guy, but we don't
want him hitting a woman, so let's leave that out
(18:53):
of there. Even though Vince even a Stonecold, did do
that in real life a few times. But then they
kept the parts that worked, you know, the parts of
like him screw with the boss and him, you know,
not taking no ship from nobody. And then they kept
the gun part, except instead it had a little flag
that said bang that made Vince p himself in the ring.
It's almost that they took everything they learned from the
David Schultz Vince McMahon's story and made it a bigger, better,
(19:16):
stronger thing. That made Stone Cold the biggest wrestler in
in arguably the history.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Of He became famous for something else after he stopped resting.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
He became like a bounty hunter and like, which was crazy.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
There was a case in Puerto Rico that he helped out.
I remember my Poppoles had a butcher shop that was
close to the place where he busted a guy in
Puerto Rico, and that's why. That's right. He was a
bounty hunter and thought he was a cop.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
But yeah, it was like, it was amazing how good
he was at it. He was like immediately good at
being a bounty hunter, which is kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Next, he beat your ass for real, dude. Guy was
big And I.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Think the worst storyline that I can think of off
the top of my head, they did a story where
Triple H was is revealing the past of Cain, and
in the story, he was like, I don't know how
this even got passed. You're talking about pitching episode or
pitching storylines to wrestlers, and how did they agree. Basically,
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they alleged that Cain was so in love with a
woman that he not only like sexually assaulted her, but
she died, he killed her. And Triple H tells the
story of how like this whole thing was covered and
that's why that's why Caine was really gone so long,
is because he had done this terrible thing to a woman,
and like, and the story is so awful that it
(20:36):
shows Triple H going into the coffin of the young
lady that is deceased and Triple H having sex on
television with a woman in a coffin and you can't
see them. I swear to you as you look it
up as the worst storyline I've ever ever seen. And
I know the only reason I remember it is because
I was alive. It's not like I went looking for
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the worst things. Like I remember being like, this is crazy,
Kane did that, Like Kane Martin, Like I was really
because I'm you know, even now struggle with what's real
and what storyline. I definitely was struggling with it when
I was twelve, So I'm going away. Did Kane really
kill lady? Wait? I can't support this guy. He killed
the lady and like it was really, really, really gross,
a really weird story that sounds worse than the Hull
(21:18):
Cogan Kevin Sullivan when it gets transported to.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
The nether world that he's like, where's all the whole
Commandia like caring for and he's horrified and scared.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Do you think that was a suburban commando idea?
Speaker 1 (21:31):
God? I hope not.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
I think maybe they were doing that because they were
trying to like segue into like him doing the movies
because Kevin Sullivan's in suburban Commando.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Can't Oh my god. I let's rank actors or wrestlers
turned actors from worse to first. Here we go, Okay, worst,
I'm gonna say Hull Cogan because he was absolutely horrible
in all those movies. You Haul Cogan's the worst acting movies. Yeah,
(22:02):
then from there it gets significantly better. If you count
Zeu's Tiny Zeus's Lister, then we could now he'd be
high up there because he was good in Friday. Next
would be The Rock, then would be John Cena, and
then I put Batista at the top of that list
because that dude gets better every single movie.
Speaker 2 (22:22):
Knocking the Cabin by m Night Shanala.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Yeah yeah, bro. And here's what's crazy is like, and
John and The Rock both are good actors, but they're
doing the same thing. Like that's their vein, they know it,
that's their that's their brand, and they stick with that.
That's never going to challenge you and and help you
evolve until they do something like an independence out of
that character. Dave won't do the same character twice unless
(22:45):
it's a sequel, like, he just won't. Like he challenges
himself constantly with different types of roles, from that weird
hospital movie with Jody Foster where he's the orderly all
the way to knock at the Cabin all the way
to doune all the way to everything he does is different. Man,
he's tried like a kid comedy. He's tried. I think
he's tried a cop comedy. Eventually, I'm sure he'll do
a wrong com like. I know he's looking for different
(23:09):
stuff and I respect him so much for that. But
he's the best actor out of every wrestler.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I think honorable mention is Andre the Giant Princess Bride.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Double honorable mention, Andre And I forgot Roddy Roddy Piper
from They Live. I forget artwork of of that movie
all over my house. Our Hell Comes to Frogtown. Roddy
Piper was in, which was really good. Andre the Giant
also played Sasquatch and the Million Dollar manth he did,
but that wasn't acting. You just grunted, Yeah, but he
was cool.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
I just it's two of my favorite was cool Bigfoot
and a wrestler tow of my favorite things. Sasha Banks
is in Mandalorian. Let's give that time her have more work. Yeah,
let her have more work on camera and then she
can she can work her way into that into that
group as long as Yard had a bunch of wrestlers
in it. And there's a scene that is so cringey
that I feel like if anybody started to like flare,
(23:58):
like just even start to put that on, maybe TikTok
or something like Stone Cold would like lose his career
if more people we're aware of that scene. It is
so cringey. Kevin Nash played Super Shredder and teenage Mutant
Ninja Turtles, and was also in that Stripper movie.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
So that's pretty big shout out to Kevin Nash. I
love Kevin Nash. I got to work with him a
little bit. I love love Kevin Nash an E Show,
and he was so cool. Dude, he's such a cool guy.
Who's talking to me about PRP, that platelet replacement stuff
where they take your cells out and spin them and
then read.
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Maybe that's his secret and that's how he got to
be six foot ten and looking great at age whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
I feel like he and I look a lot alike,
wouldn't you agree?
Speaker 2 (24:38):
You and Kevin Nash, Yeah, you're not six foot ten.
He's a freak.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
But I'm up there. I'm up there.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Well, I think the worst actors, and this will be
very controversial, the worst wrestler actors, because I agree with
you Bautis is number one. Him as Drax is so good,
and him him as He's the Mass just such a
good actor. So I think the worst and maybe i'm biased.
Ron Around terrible. She was in What is Expendable? She's
still like pretty.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Much any kind of action.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Yeah, she's terrible. And then I think John Cena is
not good. I think John Cena was phenomenal in the
movie train Wreck, and I was like, oh, this dude
can act like that was really good and he there
was good delivery.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
Good times with that romantic comedy, right yeah, and Amy.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Schumer is a professional comedian, so the script was probably
so funny that it was easy to make John Cena
look funny because John Cena knows how to read lines
and whatever. He was great and it was very, very funny,
and I was like, oh, man, he's got a future
in acting. And then everything he's done since I don't
buy it, he has to play like some crazy character
that doesn't That might only work because the character's so crazy.
(25:40):
Like let's say Dave Bautista as Jack. Like let's say
everything else he did was bad. You could be like, well,
maybe Daq was just an easy character to play because
it's very one dimensional. So I think that's what happened
with Cena. I don't think he's that great of an actor.
I think he was in One good Thing, and the
same with ron A Rousei. She points a gun at
people and runs around as an action star. It's like
those are the two worst I think. I think whul
Cogan just doesn't know how to be anybody.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
But Huld Cogan, Well, that's not as fault exactly.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's why. That's why I'm not saying he's the worst,
is because I think hol Gogan's just like I'm the
hosture baby. Whether you make him an alien or whether
you make him a nanny, he's gonna be like, oh
what's up, bro?
Speaker 1 (26:13):
Like, that's what I'm saying. He's not He's not an
act to me. It's like Ronda Rousey. He's not an actor.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Yeah, it's not fair too.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
He just doesn't know how to do it.
Speaker 2 (26:20):
Yeah, So all right, those are mine.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Well, this episode was all over the place, but I
had a lot of fun doing it. You guys, stay
tuned for Thursday. Bonus content will touch a little bit
on my favorite storyline that I was ever a part
of and will probably side quest and go off the
rails again on that too on Behalf of Jeff. I
will see y'all Thursday.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
Pece, We Love you. Follow us on Instagram, Wrestling with Freddy,
Twitter is ww Freddie Pod. Follow us on all the
socials so you can submit your questions for the Federation.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
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