September 25, 2025 • 20 mins
Welcome to Unsanctioned Thursday! In this episode, Jeff Dye, Alex 'The Spoiler' Cardoza, and I bring you all the spicy takes and discussions you crave. We dive into the logistics and frustrations of watching WrestlePalooza, analyze key matches like John Cena vs. Brock Lesnar and USOs vs. Bronson Reed & Bron Breaker. We debate the merits of mixed tag matches with CM Punk and AJ Lee vs. Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch, and celebrate Stephanie's impressive win over Iyo Sky.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to the show you asked for because our other
show is not long enough. It's unsanctioned Thursday, brought to
you by mister Jeff, I, me, Freddy, and our producer
Alex the spoiler Cardoza.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh let's watch him edit that out. Let's start the show.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut up?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Out to that hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to on sanctioned Thursday's Horestling with Freddy, the first
ever Jeff WWE premium live event.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Of the ESPN era Wressel producer.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Kind of a pain in the ass to order, kind
of a pain in the ass to get the account
up and going. Guys, didn't make it easy. I didn't.
I didn't like it. Didn't It was much easier to
get the aw pay per view, So yeah, I'm gonna
bitch about that for a second. Make that shit easier.
That was super frustrating. I hated it. I almost missed
(01:14):
a damn show because of it. I put this one
on my on my iPad to start because they started
the show Jeff at the same time as the main
event on AW and if you tuned in to WWE
and tuned out of aw because you didn't have the
ability to watch on two screens. Y'all fucked up because
you missed the end of a sick match and you
(01:35):
had to watch Sena versus Lessner in another squash match
like the Saudi Arabia one with eight hundred finishers. That
didn't mean anything to anybody. I wasn't a fan of
the match. I got it wrong. That's not why I
wasn't a fan of the match. I thought they were
gonna tell a really cool story of John Cena making this,
like getting this beat down, but finding a way to
beat Brock Lessner because Brock did him so dirty in
(01:57):
the first match. But no, the story was Brock's just
a better man and John Cena can't climb that mountain
and he can't. He can't make it. But it was
interesting to see the ww strategy to try and steal
viewers away from AEW. I think there's room for lots
of wrestling out there.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They have a corporate mentality, not a not a wrestling
mentality anymore. It's very we must take over. It's not
it's not let's let's all coexist like the old days
of wrestling.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Go ahead. You look like you want to jump in there.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think we're getting a little too
lovey dovey in the world of wrestling with I hear
Daniel Brian going on these podcasts and say, I mean,
it's just there's more wrestling for everyone, and it's just
better for us wrestlers. We can work in so many
different places and then we can negotiate our contracts higher
(02:48):
money because there's actually a competition and it's like, yeah, yeah,
but this is business.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Do you know why they put ads.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
On a pl that's on ESPN and why it's hard
for you to find out how to watch it because
sometimes it's on Peacock sometimes. Let's not forget that wrestling
is a giant corporation. They're always gonna be against each other.
The reason Monday Night Wars was so good is because
they were warring. There's there's no you know, there's no
(03:17):
love loss in war like like like the Monday Night
Wars that was Monday Night Raw going against w CW.
What was the Monday what do they call their money
rue Monday Night tro at the same time, and that
competition is what we what made wrestling better. So you know,
it's like they're never that's just kind of how it works.
It's good for us, but they are like I imagine
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Triple H and Tony Kahan and Nick kN they see
this as like we're gonna slit the other company's throats
and so then whoever is losing, everybody feels bad for
But like nobody felt bad for WBE when AEW was
all the rage, Like when everyone was going, AAW so good.
It's so much better than SmackDown, It's so much better
than raw. Nobody felt bad for w B. I don't
(04:01):
feel bad for AW. I say, stepping up, baby, give
us more.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I hear what you're saying, and I think you're definitely
right on the WWE philosophy and how they're approaching this.
But I also see where Daniel's coming from, because he's
looking at it more from the old school territory mentality
before Vince McMahon tried to take over everything and run it,
and there was room for everyone, and you could go
from territory to territory, and you could negotiate contract to
contract what you would get. And I think he's such
(04:26):
an old school guy and such a historian of the
game that he longs for that. He yearns for that,
and those days are are dead and gone. So it's him,
you know, expressing that. But I agree with him. I
would prefer to see that model as well, the old
school model, and I would like to see these guys
not try to kill each other. I think there's room
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out there for both to improve without someone having to lose,
because that means there's less wrestling, right, So I see
what you're saying, but I kind of got to go
with with mister the American Dragon on this one, mister dogone.
But yeah, I hear you. I hear you, and you're
dead on with how WWE feels about aw.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, Coca Cola is not going. Hey, it's more soda
pop for everyone. If Pepsi exists, it's like, no Coke's going.
We'll take all those flavors and make our own version.
And that's what w to B wants is seven nights
a week of wrestling where they have the whole aw roster.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
They want it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
All that and that sucks, man, because it's like it's
it's an apples to oranges comparison, but the oranges are
becoming apples, right because one is art and one is
is is you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Know a soda? Did did people drink?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's something that you buy and purchase, and so when
you when you monetize art and you take all the
art out of it, and it's nothing more than a soda,
that fucking sucks for everybody, and that dilutes the market
and weakens the product because then there's only one and
they don't have any competition to inspire them to get
better because they're the only show in town, which is
a fucking monopoly, and monopoly suck. So yeah, So that's
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I'm on a soapbox right now, and I'm not talking
about the main card. So here we go. We talked
about John Cena Brocklesner. I wasn't a fan of this match.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I liked it. Did you like it? You liked to
finish bonanza.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think the Brocklesterner looks stronger than he's ever looked.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Dude, he was jacked. I've met.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I was actually impressed, and I didn't think I could
be more impressed by the size of Brocklessner.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I think you you might.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Have misspoke a little earlier when you said that brock
was the better man. I think John Sene is the
better man and Brock is the better rest like he's
the more Yeah, like I think, uh, you know, John
Cena's heart and soul isn't enough for the pure beast
that Brock was. And what I did like about the
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match is that it felt realistic. It felt like he
came to make children cry. And it really makes John
more sympathetic to the audience as John Cena is just
now kind of a new guy again or a good
guy again, which is kind of new, and so this
made him more sympathetic.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think this makes it more of a face.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And also the fact that Paul Hayman returned to introduce Lessener,
is this going to, like what's going on here? Is
Paul Hayman now going to is he still with the
vision or like, like I don't. I'm very excited to
see how that happens. And so that made me also
like this match.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Totally agree, Totally agree, sir.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Next up the USOS versus Bronson Reid and bron Breaker.
We're gonna go on a little run here where we
make you guys a lot of money. I'm just putting
that out there right now. And it started right here
because how could you not pick the bron Bros over
the USSOS. When when Bronson, Reid and bron Breaker are
both kind of needing wins and needing momentum in order
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to keep up with Seth Rollins, who's got the world championship,
the World Heavyweight Championship, So we picked them to win.
Of course they were gonna win. USO's are awesome, they're
top tag team of all time. But this was the
right move and it really makes the big guys look strong.
Two big guys that could hold major spot in the
company with singles runs themselves. You know, one day we're
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gonna get Bronson versus bron Breaker for a title that
one of them's holding and the other one's jealous, you know,
so we get to look forward to that too. So
it's good to build them up and make them look
super strong.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Jeff, what about you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Loved this match? I love watching the usso's back together.
They have so many moves that they do as a team,
which was really awesome. I love that I watched two
different things on this match over and over.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I laughed so hard.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's very hard to like make me pop or laugh
out loud in wrestling. I love wrestling, but I very
rarely laugh out loud when La Knight as referee didn't
let him use the chair, but then when Jimmy had
the chair, he let him use the chair and like
turned around he goes, oh, yeah, you can hit him
with the chair. I laughed so hard about that. And
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then the other thing that I watched maybe over one
hundred times and I still couldn't figure out was when
Jay Usso broke himself open with the chair. He hit
bron Breaker in the back and the chair bounced back
up and hit him in the head and cracked him open.
And now he's on concussion protocol. But I couldn't see it.
I didn't see the chair bounce back. I watched it
(09:10):
a billion times. I'm like, where did it hit him
in the head? Like, I just couldn't figure it out.
But this match was awesome and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The mixed tag match old school nineteen eighties wrestling, CM
Punk and aj Lee versus seth Rawlins and Becky Lynch
mixed tag. This felt like it was straight out in
nineteen eighty seven. It was a lot of fun waiting
for AJ to get into the ring, the constant selling
and CM Punk getting beat down and then she finally
gets in there, so the crowdles hype for that couple
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really cool spots. People got getting fed up on the outside.
That's Thursday, I can say, fucked up people getting We'll
compromise people getting screwed up and getting beat down outside.
And then we got a double submission in the ring
and aj Lee gets Becky to tap, which can then
lead to a singles fight where it's like, Hey, I
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made you tap, girl, and now I'm gonna make you
tap and get that belt off your waist and my
man's gonna take the belt off your man's waist, and
the vision ain't gonna be shit.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's going to be the wishing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So yeah, So this was the match the right guys won.
We picked it right. We made you more money, and
we made you more money with the rest of the
matches too, but we'll get into those in a second. Jeff,
this was a different kind of match. So I'm more
curious about your opinion on this match than any of
the others, because I think it was so old school.
(10:31):
You could like it or you could really hate it.
But I don't feel like you're in the middle about it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, I'm not in the middle about it, and as
a gimmick guy, I'm a real hypocrite here. I usually
love a gimmick and like a silly thing. But I
think that the we tried mixed tag matches, they're clunky,
they don't work.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's it's confusing.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Because you're like, these women are just like the boys,
but the boys can't touch the women.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What are we doing? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's like, well, if they're all like what we should
be watching seth rawlins, power bombing aj Lee and Becky Lyitch,
you know, splashing on to see him punk off the
top rope, because that's like what a video game would be,
so like a mixed tag match, and because this isn't
real fighting, it would make total sense to choreograph moves
(11:17):
that they could do to each other. But if the
girl's just gonna hit the girl and the boys just
gonna hit the boy, then we don't need mixed tag matches.
They don't work. It makes no sense. I think we've
evolved past mixed tag matches, and this was great evidence
of it. I thought this match was dog shit, and
I like all four people. This isn't a criticism of them.
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I just think a mixed tag match is it doesn't work.
I tried to like it, and it was just bad.
That being said all those negative things I just said,
I would like to compliment all four of these wrestlers
on how much out great they are, including ag Lee.
Aj Lee seemed to have no ring rust at all.
She looked like she didn't miss a day of wrestling,
and she hasn't. I don't think she's had a match
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for ten years. So to watch her go in there
and be just as just as smooth as everyone else
is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Speaking of impressive women, the pick of the week, Jeff,
the Women's World Championship. And let me say, although you
were not here, I think you would have made the
same pick that Alex and I both made, which was
Stephanie Baker getting the win over Eo Sky. We both
picked this. I picked it because of business reasons. Ww's
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pushing really hard to get into the Latino market and
get all that money for their corporate bonuses to get
paid out. That's why they are buying all these luchadors
and luchador companies, and all of a sudden they have
a Latino who's really worked on her English and it's
getting better on a weekly, if not monthly basis. They
believe in her and they think that'll make more Latino's
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watch and they're probably right, and so they gave her
the championship, and that's why I picked her to win.
That said, Stephanieva cares awesome, Like she's awesome. Her wrestling's awesome,
her look is awesome. That finish was sicker than EO
Sky's finish, Like that's what's crazy. Like EO Sky does
(13:28):
the blind Moon Salt where she never looks back from
the moment she climbs the turnbuckle. She never looks back
to see where you are. She just does it and
hits it perfect every time, but cares like anything you
can do, I can do better, and did like a
four point fifty twisting reverse fucking gymnastic move and I'm
sitting there like, yo, whoa what, Oh she's gonna hurt her. Nope,
(13:49):
she landed perfect.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh my god, she's a champion.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It was awesome, dude. I loved every second of this match.
To me, it saved the pay per view on what
wasn't the best pay per view. I thought the aw
show was better, but this was the match this was
the match. I thought it was awesome. Eel Skuy's a
stud in there. She's always gonna be a stud, good
guy or bad guy. But it was great to see
Stephanie Vicaire do her thing like that, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh my gosh, Stephanie Viquier's move where she puts the
girl's head in between her legs and then like yeah,
goes on.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Her forearms and a slams.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's Booker T's favorite wrestling move ever, is what it's
called Stephanie Vakir doing the Devil's kiss.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The move where she puts her head in between her
legs and does the slamming should not be allowed.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We should not.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's too inappropriate as far as like, I feel like
if anyone walked in the room while that was happening,
and we went through the nineties together, we went through
the two thousands together with the puppies and the sables
and the Sunni's like, by far, Stephanie Vakier doing the
Devil's Kiss is the hottest, most arguably inappropriate thing I've
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seen ever.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
No one is responsible for the thoughts that pop in
their head. Mats are always gonna pop in and it's
it's how we deal with those thoughts that that's when
we become responsible. But I feel you're allowed to have
all the thoughts in the world that you had without
juging looking forward to her championship run. But it will
be a disputed They better remember this and not f
(15:18):
this up. It can't be the undisputed Women's Championship because
the champ was not beaten. She laid the belt down
because she got pregnance having a baby. So it will
be the disputed Women's Championship when Naomi comes back. And
then they got a fight to make it undisputed, which
can be fun and cool too, but that should be
and that should be Naomi story when she comes back. No,
you're you're the disputed champ. I'm the real champ. I
(15:39):
was never That should be. That should be her point.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I hope they do something like that because that's really smart.
All right, thanks, bro, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
People throw that word around.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They go undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undispeted like it's pretty disposed.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's gonna be disputed. They're wrong. They'll say, oh, it's
under it was disputed.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Finally, the undisputed WWE Championship Cody Rhoades versus everyone's favorite
cry baby, Drew McIntyre. Drew McIntyre, Drew always gets fucked.
I'm on Drew's side with this. He gets screwed over
by COVID, he gets screwed over by Seampunk, he gets
screwed over by Seth Rollins, he gets screwed over by
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money in the Bank cash ins. He gets screwed over
by inept referees, and this was no different. He got
screwed over by an inept referee once again. The referee
put his own health and well being in front of
the benefit of the match and call in a clean match.
And he got out of the way from some impact
which he should have taken like a man. You take
that shit like a man on the chin. And instead
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of that, he backs out of the ring. Drew McIntyre
covers up Cody instead of rushing back into the ring
like a professional ref. I'm on refwatch big time right now.
He waits like seven eight seconds. Cody was a beaten man,
the match was over, and then he comes in and
yeah he could kick out at account of thirteen. Yeah,
Mike Tyson could have stood up on a count of
(17:02):
twenty six when he fought Buster Douglas. It just didn't
work that way. You only get ten seconds, man, so
the ref blew it again. Cody Rose who was hurt injured.
I don't know if he's a knee or concussion from
the Claymore kick. He had some problems executing some moves
story wise, not in real life, guys. He gets the win,
a clean win, and then Goonther appears on the ramp.
Who that kind of teases who the next challenger is.
(17:24):
But once again, Drew's got a Legit beef and when
he goes out and cuts his promo and you guys, boo,
just remember Legit Beef ref Watch twenty twenty five and
they're already fucking up.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think they need to be smarter about the writing.
I think I don't know which announcers was saying it
over and over, like why did the ref stop that?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Like that's a legal move? Why why would wait?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That was Wade Barrett, yeah, yeah, and he was spot
on like that's just bad writing or bad choreographing in
my opinion, Like why is the ref telling him to
not go do that? Which causes enough time for him
to kick through the table and hurt his leg, like
I find a different reason than ether than having the
ref hold him back, like like I think they need
(18:07):
to be a little bit better about that type of choreography,
like even like making the ref distracted, which is like
such a classic spot and wrestling matches where like the
manager or their tag partners out there like distracting the ref,
Like they need to evolve that the ref should be
like I'm not gonna fall for this, Like they make
the refs look like these buffoons that have no power,
(18:29):
and like they just let a guy use a chair
and then yell at up, Like they need to update
their their refs as far as the writing goes, in.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
My opinion, I feel you on that, dude.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I like that you guys, that's our wrestle Poalooza predictions.
Palooza is not my favorite word, Jeff, I don't think
that's it. Cools, you'd like it. I think it doesn't
sound that cool. It's hard to take it seriously when
Losa Palooza is in your like like Lallapalooza not.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
For anybody who's too young.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Maybe see them punk is evident too young to understand
that Lallapalooza was a very famous concert. They're just playing
on that word Lallapalooza. It's now wrestle palooza. It's it's
you know, yeah, but it's I agree with you that
it sounds dumb, but I disagree with anyone who doesn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's like, well they didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, what about WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You like WrestleMania because.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I I was talking about my friend with my friends
like that recently.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's like, well, what what are good band names? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Like Beatles, Like we love the Beatles, great bands, but
that's not a great name. They're not even talking about
the bug it's beat like a beat, like rhythm beat oles.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That's stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Food Fighters, Oh, I mean, I mean UFO from the fifties.
Like that's a dumb name, but we love the Foo Fighters.
All names are dumb.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, roy what about Royal Rumble? Freddie?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I like Royal Rumble, but I think that I maybe
just like it because I've known it my whole life.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I think Royal Rumble sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well so royal about it? It's not very you know,
do they get a they don't get a crown.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Okay, that's fair. Yeah, never mind, I take it back,
all right. So our names suck, and so does every
pay per views name. Thanks for listening. Stay in touch
by following our official show account on Instagram. It's called
Wrestling with Freddie. We're going to have ask Us Anything
episode near the end of the season this year, so
you can fill in your questions for that, or you
can just shout us out.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And say what's up on behalf of Jeff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I'm Freddy and we appreciate you guys listening every single week.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah,
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Welcome to the show you asked for because our other
show is not long enough. It's unsanctioned Thursday, brought to
you by mister Jeff, I, me, Freddy, and our producer
Alex the spoiler Cardoza.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Oh let's watch him edit that out. Let's start the show.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Ladies and gentlemen, are you ready shut up?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Out to that hit the fan.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Welcome to on sanctioned Thursday's Horestling with Freddy, the first
ever Jeff WWE premium live event.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Of the ESPN era Wressel producer.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Kind of a pain in the ass to order, kind
of a pain in the ass to get the account
up and going. Guys, didn't make it easy. I didn't.
I didn't like it. Didn't It was much easier to
get the aw pay per view, So yeah, I'm gonna
bitch about that for a second. Make that shit easier.
That was super frustrating. I hated it. I almost missed
(01:14):
a damn show because of it. I put this one
on my on my iPad to start because they started
the show Jeff at the same time as the main
event on AW and if you tuned in to WWE
and tuned out of aw because you didn't have the
ability to watch on two screens. Y'all fucked up because
you missed the end of a sick match and you
(01:35):
had to watch Sena versus Lessner in another squash match
like the Saudi Arabia one with eight hundred finishers. That
didn't mean anything to anybody. I wasn't a fan of
the match. I got it wrong. That's not why I
wasn't a fan of the match. I thought they were
gonna tell a really cool story of John Cena making this,
like getting this beat down, but finding a way to
beat Brock Lessner because Brock did him so dirty in
(01:57):
the first match. But no, the story was Brock's just
a better man and John Cena can't climb that mountain
and he can't. He can't make it. But it was
interesting to see the ww strategy to try and steal
viewers away from AEW. I think there's room for lots
of wrestling out there.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
They do not.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
They have a corporate mentality, not a not a wrestling
mentality anymore. It's very we must take over. It's not
it's not let's let's all coexist like the old days
of wrestling.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Go ahead. You look like you want to jump in there.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Yeah, I mean, I think we're getting a little too
lovey dovey in the world of wrestling with I hear
Daniel Brian going on these podcasts and say, I mean,
it's just there's more wrestling for everyone, and it's just
better for us wrestlers. We can work in so many
different places and then we can negotiate our contracts higher
(02:48):
money because there's actually a competition and it's like, yeah, yeah,
but this is business.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Do you know why they put ads.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
On a pl that's on ESPN and why it's hard
for you to find out how to watch it because
sometimes it's on Peacock sometimes. Let's not forget that wrestling
is a giant corporation. They're always gonna be against each other.
The reason Monday Night Wars was so good is because
they were warring. There's there's no you know, there's no
(03:17):
love loss in war like like like the Monday Night
Wars that was Monday Night Raw going against w CW.
What was the Monday what do they call their money
rue Monday Night tro at the same time, and that
competition is what we what made wrestling better. So you know,
it's like they're never that's just kind of how it works.
It's good for us, but they are like I imagine
(03:39):
Triple H and Tony Kahan and Nick kN they see
this as like we're gonna slit the other company's throats
and so then whoever is losing, everybody feels bad for
But like nobody felt bad for WBE when AEW was
all the rage, Like when everyone was going, AAW so good.
It's so much better than SmackDown, It's so much better
than raw. Nobody felt bad for w B. I don't
(04:01):
feel bad for AW. I say, stepping up, baby, give
us more.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I hear what you're saying, and I think you're definitely
right on the WWE philosophy and how they're approaching this.
But I also see where Daniel's coming from, because he's
looking at it more from the old school territory mentality
before Vince McMahon tried to take over everything and run it,
and there was room for everyone, and you could go
from territory to territory, and you could negotiate contract to
contract what you would get. And I think he's such
(04:26):
an old school guy and such a historian of the
game that he longs for that. He yearns for that,
and those days are are dead and gone. So it's him,
you know, expressing that. But I agree with him. I
would prefer to see that model as well, the old
school model, and I would like to see these guys
not try to kill each other. I think there's room
(04:46):
out there for both to improve without someone having to lose,
because that means there's less wrestling, right, So I see
what you're saying, but I kind of got to go
with with mister the American Dragon on this one, mister dogone.
But yeah, I hear you. I hear you, and you're
dead on with how WWE feels about aw.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Yeah, Coca Cola is not going. Hey, it's more soda
pop for everyone. If Pepsi exists, it's like, no Coke's going.
We'll take all those flavors and make our own version.
And that's what w to B wants is seven nights
a week of wrestling where they have the whole aw roster.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
They want it.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
All that and that sucks, man, because it's like it's
it's an apples to oranges comparison, but the oranges are
becoming apples, right because one is art and one is
is is you.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Know a soda? Did did people drink?
Speaker 2 (05:34):
It's something that you buy and purchase, and so when
you when you monetize art and you take all the
art out of it, and it's nothing more than a soda,
that fucking sucks for everybody, and that dilutes the market
and weakens the product because then there's only one and
they don't have any competition to inspire them to get
better because they're the only show in town, which is
a fucking monopoly, and monopoly suck. So yeah, So that's
(05:55):
I'm on a soapbox right now, and I'm not talking
about the main card. So here we go. We talked
about John Cena Brocklesner. I wasn't a fan of this match.
Speaker 1 (06:03):
I liked it. Did you like it? You liked to
finish bonanza.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
I think the Brocklesterner looks stronger than he's ever looked.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Dude, he was jacked. I've met.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
I was actually impressed, and I didn't think I could
be more impressed by the size of Brocklessner.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And I think you you might.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Have misspoke a little earlier when you said that brock
was the better man. I think John Sene is the
better man and Brock is the better rest like he's
the more Yeah, like I think, uh, you know, John
Cena's heart and soul isn't enough for the pure beast
that Brock was. And what I did like about the
(06:43):
match is that it felt realistic. It felt like he
came to make children cry. And it really makes John
more sympathetic to the audience as John Cena is just
now kind of a new guy again or a good
guy again, which is kind of new, and so this
made him more sympathetic.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
I think this makes it more of a face.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
And also the fact that Paul Hayman returned to introduce Lessener,
is this going to, like what's going on here? Is
Paul Hayman now going to is he still with the
vision or like, like I don't. I'm very excited to
see how that happens. And so that made me also
like this match.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Totally agree, Totally agree, sir.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Next up the USOS versus Bronson Reid and bron Breaker.
We're gonna go on a little run here where we
make you guys a lot of money. I'm just putting
that out there right now. And it started right here
because how could you not pick the bron Bros over
the USSOS. When when Bronson, Reid and bron Breaker are
both kind of needing wins and needing momentum in order
(07:42):
to keep up with Seth Rollins, who's got the world championship,
the World Heavyweight Championship, So we picked them to win.
Of course they were gonna win. USO's are awesome, they're
top tag team of all time. But this was the
right move and it really makes the big guys look strong.
Two big guys that could hold major spot in the
company with singles runs themselves. You know, one day we're
(08:04):
gonna get Bronson versus bron Breaker for a title that
one of them's holding and the other one's jealous, you know,
so we get to look forward to that too. So
it's good to build them up and make them look
super strong.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Jeff, what about you?
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Loved this match? I love watching the usso's back together.
They have so many moves that they do as a team,
which was really awesome. I love that I watched two
different things on this match over and over.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I laughed so hard.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
It's very hard to like make me pop or laugh
out loud in wrestling. I love wrestling, but I very
rarely laugh out loud when La Knight as referee didn't
let him use the chair, but then when Jimmy had
the chair, he let him use the chair and like
turned around he goes, oh, yeah, you can hit him
with the chair. I laughed so hard about that. And
(08:49):
then the other thing that I watched maybe over one
hundred times and I still couldn't figure out was when
Jay Usso broke himself open with the chair. He hit
bron Breaker in the back and the chair bounced back
up and hit him in the head and cracked him open.
And now he's on concussion protocol. But I couldn't see it.
I didn't see the chair bounce back. I watched it
(09:10):
a billion times. I'm like, where did it hit him
in the head? Like, I just couldn't figure it out.
But this match was awesome and I loved it.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
The mixed tag match old school nineteen eighties wrestling, CM
Punk and aj Lee versus seth Rawlins and Becky Lynch
mixed tag. This felt like it was straight out in
nineteen eighty seven. It was a lot of fun waiting
for AJ to get into the ring, the constant selling
and CM Punk getting beat down and then she finally
gets in there, so the crowdles hype for that couple
(09:40):
really cool spots. People got getting fed up on the outside.
That's Thursday, I can say, fucked up people getting We'll
compromise people getting screwed up and getting beat down outside.
And then we got a double submission in the ring
and aj Lee gets Becky to tap, which can then
lead to a singles fight where it's like, Hey, I
(10:01):
made you tap, girl, and now I'm gonna make you
tap and get that belt off your waist and my
man's gonna take the belt off your man's waist, and
the vision ain't gonna be shit.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
It's going to be the wishing.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
So yeah, So this was the match the right guys won.
We picked it right. We made you more money, and
we made you more money with the rest of the
matches too, but we'll get into those in a second. Jeff,
this was a different kind of match. So I'm more
curious about your opinion on this match than any of
the others, because I think it was so old school.
(10:31):
You could like it or you could really hate it.
But I don't feel like you're in the middle about it.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
No, I'm not in the middle about it, and as
a gimmick guy, I'm a real hypocrite here. I usually
love a gimmick and like a silly thing. But I
think that the we tried mixed tag matches, they're clunky,
they don't work.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
It's it's confusing.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
Because you're like, these women are just like the boys,
but the boys can't touch the women.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What are we doing? I don't understand.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
It's like, well, if they're all like what we should
be watching seth rawlins, power bombing aj Lee and Becky Lyitch,
you know, splashing on to see him punk off the
top rope, because that's like what a video game would be,
so like a mixed tag match, and because this isn't
real fighting, it would make total sense to choreograph moves
(11:17):
that they could do to each other. But if the
girl's just gonna hit the girl and the boys just
gonna hit the boy, then we don't need mixed tag matches.
They don't work. It makes no sense. I think we've
evolved past mixed tag matches, and this was great evidence
of it. I thought this match was dog shit, and
I like all four people. This isn't a criticism of them.
(11:38):
I just think a mixed tag match is it doesn't work.
I tried to like it, and it was just bad.
That being said all those negative things I just said,
I would like to compliment all four of these wrestlers
on how much out great they are, including ag Lee.
Aj Lee seemed to have no ring rust at all.
She looked like she didn't miss a day of wrestling,
and she hasn't. I don't think she's had a match
(11:59):
for ten years. So to watch her go in there
and be just as just as smooth as everyone else
is very impressive.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Speaking of impressive women, the pick of the week, Jeff,
the Women's World Championship. And let me say, although you
were not here, I think you would have made the
same pick that Alex and I both made, which was
Stephanie Baker getting the win over Eo Sky. We both
picked this. I picked it because of business reasons. Ww's
(12:45):
pushing really hard to get into the Latino market and
get all that money for their corporate bonuses to get
paid out. That's why they are buying all these luchadors
and luchador companies, and all of a sudden they have
a Latino who's really worked on her English and it's
getting better on a weekly, if not monthly basis. They
believe in her and they think that'll make more Latino's
(13:07):
watch and they're probably right, and so they gave her
the championship, and that's why I picked her to win.
That said, Stephanieva cares awesome, Like she's awesome. Her wrestling's awesome,
her look is awesome. That finish was sicker than EO
Sky's finish, Like that's what's crazy. Like EO Sky does
(13:28):
the blind Moon Salt where she never looks back from
the moment she climbs the turnbuckle. She never looks back
to see where you are. She just does it and
hits it perfect every time, but cares like anything you
can do, I can do better, and did like a
four point fifty twisting reverse fucking gymnastic move and I'm
sitting there like, yo, whoa what, Oh she's gonna hurt her. Nope,
(13:49):
she landed perfect.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Oh my god, she's a champion.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
It was awesome, dude. I loved every second of this match.
To me, it saved the pay per view on what
wasn't the best pay per view. I thought the aw
show was better, but this was the match this was
the match. I thought it was awesome. Eel Skuy's a
stud in there. She's always gonna be a stud, good
guy or bad guy. But it was great to see
Stephanie Vicaire do her thing like that, wasn't it.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Oh my gosh, Stephanie Viquier's move where she puts the
girl's head in between her legs and then like yeah,
goes on.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Her forearms and a slams.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
It's Booker T's favorite wrestling move ever, is what it's
called Stephanie Vakir doing the Devil's kiss.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
The move where she puts her head in between her
legs and does the slamming should not be allowed.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
We should not.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It's too inappropriate as far as like, I feel like
if anyone walked in the room while that was happening,
and we went through the nineties together, we went through
the two thousands together with the puppies and the sables
and the Sunni's like, by far, Stephanie Vakier doing the
Devil's Kiss is the hottest, most arguably inappropriate thing I've
(14:53):
seen ever.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
No one is responsible for the thoughts that pop in
their head. Mats are always gonna pop in and it's
it's how we deal with those thoughts that that's when
we become responsible. But I feel you're allowed to have
all the thoughts in the world that you had without
juging looking forward to her championship run. But it will
be a disputed They better remember this and not f
(15:18):
this up. It can't be the undisputed Women's Championship because
the champ was not beaten. She laid the belt down
because she got pregnance having a baby. So it will
be the disputed Women's Championship when Naomi comes back. And
then they got a fight to make it undisputed, which
can be fun and cool too, but that should be
and that should be Naomi story when she comes back. No,
you're you're the disputed champ. I'm the real champ. I
(15:39):
was never That should be. That should be her point.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I hope they do something like that because that's really smart.
All right, thanks, bro, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
People throw that word around.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
They go undisputed, undisputed, undisputed, undispeted like it's pretty disposed.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It's gonna be disputed. They're wrong. They'll say, oh, it's
under it was disputed.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Finally, the undisputed WWE Championship Cody Rhoades versus everyone's favorite
cry baby, Drew McIntyre. Drew McIntyre, Drew always gets fucked.
I'm on Drew's side with this. He gets screwed over
by COVID, he gets screwed over by Seampunk, he gets
screwed over by Seth Rollins, he gets screwed over by
(16:19):
money in the Bank cash ins. He gets screwed over
by inept referees, and this was no different. He got
screwed over by an inept referee once again. The referee
put his own health and well being in front of
the benefit of the match and call in a clean match.
And he got out of the way from some impact
which he should have taken like a man. You take
that shit like a man on the chin. And instead
(16:41):
of that, he backs out of the ring. Drew McIntyre
covers up Cody instead of rushing back into the ring
like a professional ref. I'm on refwatch big time right now.
He waits like seven eight seconds. Cody was a beaten man,
the match was over, and then he comes in and
yeah he could kick out at account of thirteen. Yeah,
Mike Tyson could have stood up on a count of
(17:02):
twenty six when he fought Buster Douglas. It just didn't
work that way. You only get ten seconds, man, so
the ref blew it again. Cody Rose who was hurt injured.
I don't know if he's a knee or concussion from
the Claymore kick. He had some problems executing some moves
story wise, not in real life, guys. He gets the win,
a clean win, and then Goonther appears on the ramp.
Who that kind of teases who the next challenger is.
(17:24):
But once again, Drew's got a Legit beef and when
he goes out and cuts his promo and you guys, boo,
just remember Legit Beef ref Watch twenty twenty five and
they're already fucking up.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I think they need to be smarter about the writing.
I think I don't know which announcers was saying it
over and over, like why did the ref stop that?
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Like that's a legal move? Why why would wait?
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That was Wade Barrett, yeah, yeah, and he was spot
on like that's just bad writing or bad choreographing in
my opinion, Like why is the ref telling him to
not go do that? Which causes enough time for him
to kick through the table and hurt his leg, like
I find a different reason than ether than having the
ref hold him back, like like I think they need
(18:07):
to be a little bit better about that type of choreography,
like even like making the ref distracted, which is like
such a classic spot and wrestling matches where like the
manager or their tag partners out there like distracting the ref,
Like they need to evolve that the ref should be
like I'm not gonna fall for this, Like they make
the refs look like these buffoons that have no power,
(18:29):
and like they just let a guy use a chair
and then yell at up, Like they need to update
their their refs as far as the writing goes, in.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
My opinion, I feel you on that, dude.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I like that you guys, that's our wrestle Poalooza predictions.
Palooza is not my favorite word, Jeff, I don't think
that's it. Cools, you'd like it. I think it doesn't
sound that cool. It's hard to take it seriously when
Losa Palooza is in your like like Lallapalooza not.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
For anybody who's too young.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Maybe see them punk is evident too young to understand
that Lallapalooza was a very famous concert. They're just playing
on that word Lallapalooza. It's now wrestle palooza. It's it's
you know, yeah, but it's I agree with you that
it sounds dumb, but I disagree with anyone who doesn't
get it.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
It's like, well they didn't.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, what about WrestleMania.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
You like WrestleMania because.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
I I was talking about my friend with my friends
like that recently.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
It's like, well, what what are good band names? You know?
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Like Beatles, Like we love the Beatles, great bands, but
that's not a great name. They're not even talking about
the bug it's beat like a beat, like rhythm beat oles.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
That's stupid.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Food Fighters, Oh, I mean, I mean UFO from the fifties.
Like that's a dumb name, but we love the Foo Fighters.
All names are dumb.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Well, roy what about Royal Rumble? Freddie?
Speaker 3 (19:43):
I like Royal Rumble, but I think that I maybe
just like it because I've known it my whole life.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
I think Royal Rumble sounds pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
Well so royal about it? It's not very you know,
do they get a they don't get a crown.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
Okay, that's fair. Yeah, never mind, I take it back,
all right. So our names suck, and so does every
pay per views name. Thanks for listening. Stay in touch
by following our official show account on Instagram. It's called
Wrestling with Freddie. We're going to have ask Us Anything
episode near the end of the season this year, so
you can fill in your questions for that, or you
can just shout us out.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
And say what's up on behalf of Jeff.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
I'm Freddy and we appreciate you guys listening every single week.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah,
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