October 21, 2025 • 40 mins
Jason and Rosie are recapping episodes 6, 7 and 8 of Gen V’s season 2 finale. There’s sure to be butt stuff! And some kink shaming?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warren.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode Candad's spoilers for gen V season two, including
the excellent episode seven and the season finale. Hello, I
(00:25):
am is Jason and I'm Merday Night and welcome back
to x Revideon of the podcast where we dive deep
to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Coming
you from my heart, We're we're bringing you three episodes
a week.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
In today's episode, me and Jason are going to be
digging into the final three episodes of gen V, including.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A question over whether episode seven or eight should be
the finale.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ooh, but first let's get to godalkin you. So basically,
last time we left off, we were at El Mirah
and that is where we begin, and of course the
group are able to break out again. They saved Annabeth's
life and that was very good because she is secretly
pre cognitive. Now, Jason question, is she pre cognitive because
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Marie gave her her powers? Or was she always pre cognitive?
I am interested in that question. We get to see
Emma and she saves Polarity aka Sweet Sweet, chases father
Andre's father. He is being puppeted by Cipher, which will
become a big plotline over the next couple of episodes,
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Cipher is sending out his best after Marie, but she
is very powerful. Marie is also searching for shocking terms
here and I think a comeback I did not see,
and I may make an argument was a more interesting
finale than the Peacemaker finale had to offer. We get
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a return from none other than Stan Edgar, someone I
was not expecting to see and to be because of
the nature of the fact that of where we first
met the incredible actor. Oh my gosh, why am I
forgetting his name? Oh my god, he's gonna be Charles Xavier.
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Why is this happening to me? The Internet? I know
you can help me.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Gian Carlos Posita, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because of where we originally met, Jihan Carlo Esposito, I
do feel like whenever I see him, because of Breaking Bad,
I immediately think pressed these TV show, So I think
they did a really good job here. Unexpected to see
the man who was part of you know, vot coming
in as a helper, and then we learn what we
had Alady suspected, which is essentially that Project Odessa has
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only had two successes, and they are Marie and Homelander. Obviously, that,
you know, they didn't know Marie had powers when she
was young, so they thought that it was a failure.
Then this is the big one, guys, that has been
annoying me. We get some Sam Emma time. We're gonna
get a lot of it. It's gonna be very frustrating.
(03:11):
I love this relationship in the first season. I do
not think they're delivering here. I think it's very annoying.
I also think Sam is not doing a good job
at any kind of reconsider.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I agree it's like a well, I will say that.
Here's what I liked about it. It's will they won't they?
In the in in theory, but it's also I kind
of liked the angle of Sam isn'to Emma and Emma's
just kind of over it, but is searching for a
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way to like let him off easy.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Although at times it felt like is.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Like there were that it was just too ambiguous where
I'm like, does she like it?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Because?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And now I'm like, I think the first I think
in the first season it was such an interesting relationship
of two people who are outside, two people who had
tried their best to survive. And I do think that
It's interesting to see them kind of unsure as.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Real teenagers are.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But at the same time, I also feel like, and
this is an issue that I do think runs through
these last three episodes, I also feel like.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The show is slightly unsure.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
What to do with Sam, which I think is a
shame because I just thought he was such an interesting
character in the first season. We will now start to
get to the meat of the season, and I want
to say, lots of listeners were right about this, so
giving you a lot of cheers, guys.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Basically, they are starting.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
To notice that there are a lot of Thomas Godolkin
connections with old Cipher. Is Cipher using Thomas Goadlkin's old research?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
What could Cipher be doing?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then somebody remembers, oh, wait, do you remember there
was like a burnt up guy in his apartment? And
do you remember how the beginning of the season there
was Ethan Slater aka missus Ariana Grande aka Bockwoodsman from Wicked.
And guess what, guys, it it probably is him in there.
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It's actually him, and I guess at this point they
think that Cipher's plan is to use Thomas Kadawkins's body
somehow try and work out some kind of plan.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
They don't realize the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Cipher then reveals his ultimate plan, which classic to early monologuing,
is basically like Boom, I'm gonna kill all the week superheroes.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yes, okay, bro, what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Like that's your plan?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Seems dumb?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Why you worked at school?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And then we obviously get the polarity showdown where he
gets to take off his mask of civility and teaching
and ends up kind of sticking up for his.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Son who Cipher was?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know who?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Cipher basically killed even though it was you know the
who did what was? He forced Andre into killing himself
by using his powers too much, And Marie and Kate
are back friends again, another real relationship. I do not
understand if I'm Kate, if I'm friends with Kate, She's
getting her head chopped off, like I'm sick of her
at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
She's I am I found there, she is a betrayer,
She's a mixed up.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Kid, no will, she'sistic.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I found there.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I've found much of their relationship to actually be annoying
over the course of the season, but I actually like
surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I found their reunion to be Actually it hit home.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I like, I actually was like I'm feeling this like
I it was, I felt the emotion of that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I think that's the thing that keeps me watching this
show is that the characters and the actors they do
elevate it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Like a lot of times you'll be like, what is
going on?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Very teenage of them to be constantly falling in and
out of romances and friendships and blah blah blah. But
I'm also just like, at some point, you're like, this
girl every single time, she's gonna betray you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Guys, Listen, I don't now I'm gonna stick up for
Kate even though I agree with you. She is a betrayer,
and if that happened to me, I would never forgive.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I think Kate has gone with a broken power set
that makes her extremely vulnerable, has gone to laudable lengths
to try and make up for it, and has put
herself in danger even though like her plans are pretty
fucked up and bad, and she got them all thrown
in prison once again. But I put herself out there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And I respect it as well.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I will say, Kate, even though it is fucked up,
has always been coming from a place of trying to
protect her friends. That's why she's always wiping people's memories
and stuff. So yes, okay, I will recap episode seven Annabath.
She wakes up, she's looking for her sister, and no surprise,
she's had a kind of you know, minority report styles.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Pilarity basically tells.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Them like, hey, this is really going not great, like
I can fight him, but sure. Kate is also like this.
I found very interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
What are Marie's powers when it comes to healing soups
versus healing their powers. That's a big conversation that Kate
and Marie try to have. I was also disappointed this
episode because we do start to get the kind of
like fractures between Jordan and Marie, and I'm a big
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Jordan and Marie lover. Then we learn that Annabeth actually
did always have original powers.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
She was not given her powers by Marie.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
She too had superpowers hers with just not as nightmarish
as a blood bending. Then we get to the point
where we learn that Polarity has his own scheme. He's
taken his plan, He's going he's taken Cipher and he's
gonna find out what happened.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But remember, just like good old, good old.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Charlesick Savior in the movie A Logan, there is Polarity
has a degenerative illness that means that every time he
uses his powers, he is kind of fucking up his
brain a bit more there was there's a big seizure here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's definitely an als kind of illness. But and I
have to say, I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm interested to see other people's conversations about this now
the episode is out.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I need to dig into them more.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
After this episode, Marie just cures.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Him, right, she just cures him.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I found this to be very interesting. Jason, give
me your take, because that's a huge moment.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
My take is that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that genv has done a good job of
keeping the evolution of everyone's powers, including Marie's and the
and the kind of synergistic way the powers work when
they're all together polarities powers for instance, secondary powers.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
With regards to.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Cipher, I think they've done the show has done a
good job of balancing it and not making it too
disx machina at times, which sometimes it feels like that
I was.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I was surprised.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think I was surprised that at the ease with
which she jumped directly to being able to do this,
And I liked overall, I think it was it was pretty,
it was cool, and you knew kind of where it
was going once you saw that she could do this.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I like it
because also, you know that is obviously in fiction, lots
of kind of issues something I've written about, wrote about
with like the magical disability Q. But this is in
the this is in the scope and the space of
he is dying, he has a degenerated right and this
is also a black supero saving another black superhero whose
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son she couldn't save.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I thought it was good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And like you said, I think the emotional moments in
this final three episodes are really good.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Really good.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Without the emotional moments, I think this is almost like
a beyond terrible show.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
But right to your point.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, I think that the best thing about it is
the kids and the kids keeping caring. They really when
you're describing it, you are like, okay, and then and then,
but really.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's those big emotional moments.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's Jas Sinclair, it's the guy who plays Emma who
I just think is so funny and brilliant. Yeah, she's
so great. So as always, Cipher just really.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wants to get Marie to train. Why does he care
so much?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Clearly she is meant to be his big weapon in
the killing weak Soups plan, But I'm also confused because
I'm like, sir, you're at a school where they're just
last year was like a virus that was able to
kill every superhero. I feel like, couldn't you have just
like done a version of that to kill.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
The weak kid?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like I'm not trying to say you should kill these kids,
but I feel like specifically using the powers of one
person who is not aligned with you is never gonna
end well. But again, we get those emotional moments and
it becomes about Marie having to choose her friends.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And their survival over.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Anything else, and that I think has been something season
two has done pretty well to show kind of how
complicit the kids have to be to survive. And then
the reality is you get a big final fight. But
the big reveal from from episode seven that I think
is probably would have been good to leave for a
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finale reveal.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And will I agree with you? And let's talk about
that when we get into the discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Couse, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We will say that what you learn at the end
of this episode is done done that as many we
were rights will be dinging in the discords. Thomas Goodolkin
is in fact the one who has the puppeteering powers,
and he is the one who has been puppeteering the
Hamish link later version of Thomas Godolk of Cipher that
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we know, but the real cipher is done, done, done
Ethan Slater.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
It is Marie heals him.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Probably not a good idea, and then you realize, oh shit,
it's Thomas who had the plan all along. It's box
Woodman bock would box bock Woodman from Wicked box Wood
that wicked guy. And yes, and he is gonna now
be fully healed by Marie to to plan killing.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
All the soups.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So good for him, good for that terrible man, and uh,
good for honestly Amazon forgetting the old big big hero
six kind of level stars out for this one with yeah,
with Goadalkin and into the finale we work.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
In the finale, Uh, Tom Godalkin now up on his feet.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Sends an email blast to the to the student body saying, hey, everybody.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know that a lot of people have been frustrated
at the kind of ladder, the hierarchy here at Godalkin,
you where it felt like, you know, there's a select
few amount of students who are able to rise to
the top and get the you know, the access to
the prime nil superhero deals and perhaps like a pathway
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to the seven.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Well, guess what are opening up the doors. We're throwing
it all.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Open and everybody now is gonna get a chance to
compete for those primes. It's not just gonna be a
selection process. It's gonna be open enrollment. Come down to
my office tomorrow and we're gonna hash it out.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And guess what. It's a trap.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Of course, our heroes, our heroes of course know it's
a trap, and so they're as this is happening. They're
trying to figure out, Okay, what how do we we
know this is a trap And we know that Goodalkin
slash Cipher is all about mutant supremacy. Right, He's gonna
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want to call the week in his own words, He's
gonna want to call the week. And this has gotta
be what this is about? How do we get in there,
so they're planning to get in there. It's just as
they thought. Goodalkin gathers the student body and just has
everybody like killing each other willy nilly.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Almosto makes sense because of what we saw with the
training he was doing.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I almost so like is this I feel like.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And this is you know, definitely a boys you know
that's problem, But like why is everyone so dramatic?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like why can't he just do like a normal version
of killing off that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Like, that's my favorite thing about this universe is everyone's
still the most extreme version, Like you just got a
bunch of kids killing each other.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Could have come up with an easier way to do this,
my guy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, And also like can't I understand some of the
powers are not that cool, but like a fire power,
for instance, to control fire, I think.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But when I'm kidding, so, can't you find like another
job for some of these people?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like they don't? It seems like such a waste anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It does also, Okay, I want to also let's let's
check in because this was something that you know, we
didn't get too into, but let's also talk about the
Dolkins relationship with sister Sage and well.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Listen, Okay, so this let's just like roll the justscussion
into the recap as well. I will say some of
episode eight, the finale, particularly the beginning when it's like
and even the relationship when he was puppeting Cipher.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yes, felt like.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It felt like kink shaving to me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Jason and I listen, like, there's you know, sexual uh
proclivities on display here that I'm not personally into. That said,
I found it a little bit like, hey, if you're
into this kind of more SMM style sex, you're.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Evil and wa was weird, right right?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I feel like that's very against the general understanding of
what BDSM has become posts ah, you know, fifty Shades
of Gray, which was really unrepresentative but opened up a
lot of normal people's minds to what it could be.
I feel like that has been to talk about how
consensual it is, to talk about how non evil it is,
to talk about how all.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Different kinds of people do it.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And obviously we spoke about Pillion coming up like a
dom com. So yeah, I do think I think that
you and Ian were onto something with that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Catch it's not for me, Like, that's not what I know,
It's not for me in my life. But I felt
like they used this these kind of scenes as character
builders in a way that seemed to suggest, like, hey,
there was an implication of like the moral connection between
the second yes and their behavior, And I do think
(18:36):
that that is an outdated take and I felt like
it went a little bit over the line into shaming
essentially for me.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, Also, what is the appeal.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
To sister stage of this relationship. That's my other thing.
She's like the smartest person.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
She's incredibly strong and sexy and cool. And when we
first saw her with are, when we first saw her
with our you know, Hamish link later version, I was like, Okay,
these two they are new up and comers there. But
I don't know if I believe that Puppetier the Dolkin
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has the juice.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yes, so our heroes come up with a plan that
includes climbing into the butt of butt boy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Could you be surprised his butt has been linked in
every episode? Everyone to know why there were so many
butt jokes and butt stuff in this season. It's been
leading to this, which is obviously a riff on our
big and man than asks can't he just go up
the button explode him joke, which has been done many times.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Kate now with her full powers thanks to Marie In
what again, what was an emotional moment when Marie's like,
I'm gonna heal you now manages to get one more
student placed into the Hunger Games Battle Royale kill fest
that Thomas Godalkin is overseeing. That is butt Boy. Butt
(20:05):
Boy goes in and to go, what are you doing here?
I'll show you what I'm doing here, and butt Boy
expels all of our heroes out of the butt as
Marie engages with Thomas Dawkin's uh, you know, mind controlled
student body. Big fight happens. But then when it seems
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like they have won and they have the chance to
murk Goodalkin right there, and it had me being like,
why are you hesitating for now? It turns out Goodalkin
has been applying his own philosophies to himself, using all
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this death and violence and killing to train himself so
that he can now overpower Marie. He takes control of
Marie and she's about to cause the blood of all
her friends to burst out of their bodies. She's killing
him with her mind. But then Polarity comes in, and
of course Polarity has developed has realized that he has
(21:08):
the ability to not just resist Godulkin slash Cipher, but
to actually disrupt his powers. He does it, and then
they take out Godulkin. They take him out, Happy Days.
They go on the run, and who should contact them
and find them none other than Starlighter, who says, you
know what, this is the energy, you guys, This kind
(21:32):
of shot in the arm of youthful resistance energy is
exactly what we need to take on Homelander and Vought.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Oh my god, Homeliner, we just kill him already.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But yes, I kill it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And I think Marie is.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Going to be the homeland to killer the weapon. I
think it will work.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Like one, I feel like the funniest thing is cosmic
Kumite episode could.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Have gone before.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You could have still found a way to have the.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Giant, crazy spectacle of the kind of kids killing each
other Kumte, but left I feel like the bigger question
of oh, somebody wants to kill all week soups, that's
an interesting thing to go into the next season with.
But instead it was like you know Godalkinstan and I
guess these are kind of our boys. Now this is
(22:27):
the new generation of the boys.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Let's take a quick break and talk about all of
these issues, including whether the finale should have been the finale.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Be back after this war and we're back, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
When I was watching episode seven, I had to actually
check that there was another episode in the hopper because
I was like, that felt.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Like and an unbelievable finale.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Now here's here's my reasoning, and I'm eager to know
if you if you agree. First of all, we had
spent so much time with Hamish Linkletter as Cipher, and
he had done such wonderful job killed like mustache twisting
and being such an evil, fucking bastard and shouts to
(23:30):
our discord all the kind of Goodalkin is the mastermind stuff?
Was it? When I was watching the screener is I
didn't really pick up on it. So the moment when
it was revealed that Ethan Slater Thomas Godalkin was the
real mastermind, the true villain of it, I was like
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blown away and I kind of felt like, you spend
this entire season with Cipher, and.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
At that point I wanted I wanted it to be.
I wanted it to be the end.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Because I want to figure out, okay, like, well, what
are we doing next? It felt like such a strong
hook and and cliffhanger that I was a little disappointed
at the finale and the kind of it felt a
little bit paint by numbers, big fight against the bad
(24:28):
guy to me and I listen, I am the person
that said we let Homelander live too long and then
it stretched it out too much. But I think you
could have turned I think so Thomas Goodalkin the Fight
against Goodalkin into not a whole season, but maybe a
couple episodes opening opisode.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I also get it, like Ethan Slayer is a big
Hollywood and Broadway star, But also, guys, you got to
do costing that fits with the tone of the show.
And if somebody can only be around an episod or
a couple of episodes that may not have the biggest
kind of payoff, because I do, and I get it
as well. They probably didn't want to go into season three,
potential season three, because I will say that Eric Kripkey
(25:13):
has come out and been like, hey, if you guys
want GENV season three got to keep watching, got to
get those numbers up, you know, which we know is
the game of streaming. But at the same time, like
I had, felt like this season had done a really
good job of continuing the emotional arcs of characters we
care about, Characters like Emma getting to make new friends
(25:34):
and starting her kind of resistance group, getting to see
Marie and Jordan obviously loved that. Getting to see even
though like, personally, do I watch the show and be like, kay,
I would kick you down a flight of stairs?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Ah, is that an incredible, interesting, complicated character with really
complicated powers.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yes it is. And I think that in that final.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Episode, even though you know, we get the boys nurse
of like the butt boy and they're all exploding out
of his butt, I also feel like episode seven could
have set us on a path where I've seen a
lot of people, not just us, saying that they felt overall, generally.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So far this has been a stronger season than the
last season.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But I agree, And I agree because I think the
writing of the characters and the utilization of the college
setting to try and have these conversations about what's going
on in the world is really interesting and good.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
But I definitely did not.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
After episode seven, I was like, oh my god, I'm
so glad there's another episode, Like I'm ready to go
into season three?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
What does it look like? And I do feel like
when I was watching the finale, it.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Was a bit less of a hook and more of
like a crazy bombastic situation a boss time. Which also, again,
like I said, I love blood Sport, I love Kickboxer,
I love a Kuma Ta style movie where everyone has to.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Fight each other. But that is also something.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
They already did earlier in this season pretty well when
they were doing the training episodes, and also as well,
you know, I feel like nowadays you need to be
making a point.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you are making a.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Statement about, you know, the way that people kill kids,
I feel like there needs to be a bit more
of something interesting there, whether it's to do with, you know,
an analogy about war or like Bower Rayal was, it
was an analogy about the notion of a badly behaved
teenager and how overpopulation was killing Japan.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So I think Hunger Games.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You know, we know that really it's just bou Raal,
But allegedly she was watching TV and she saw the
you know, the mix of like a reality TV show
and reporting on the Iraq War, and that kind of
merged together. I think this big boss fight at the
end is more just so tonally within the world of
the Boys and kind of what Cipher Slash good Olkin
(27:51):
wants that I don't necessarily think it branches out in
the interesting way that they have done. Ian made a
great point in the chat, it's essentially like an epilogue.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It doesn't really feel.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I have a question for Okay, so yes, I think
we're in agreement. It felt like episode seven could have
been and maybe should have been the finale. I have
another question for you, and this one stretches back to
the boys. Even Sister Sage, is.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
She smart enough?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's what if she's meant to be the smartest person
I was.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I was expecting her to be the mastermind because I'm
kind of like, isn't she the most intelligent person on a.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, I think of the way I think of
Sister Sage, or at least my ideal version of her
power set. And maybe this is just my personal thing,
but when I hear smartest person on Earth, you know,
it sees all the angles I want that I want
that Batman debate where it's like, well, yes, yes, of
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course Batman would be Superman because he's thought if Superman
suddenly attacked him, he's he's God, that's cool in his
a patch of kryptonite like in his suit, and he's
thought of all the ways that he could take him down.
And you never feel that with Sage's She's get surprised
in this scene, like she's she's shocked when Godalkin turns
(29:15):
on her and doesn't want to go with her plan.
And yes, she does adapt well, but she adapts in
a way that feels more like a roll of a dice.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right than actually like her scheme. Because also, yeah, she's
gonna be the CEO of Bought, but what does that
really mean? Like that changes every single day. Ashley's getting
kicked out, Everyone's getting kicked out. And I really enjoy
her as a character and as a conceptual potential, like
(29:48):
you know, is she meant to be the new Homelander
or is she meant to be the new.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Kind of leader?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But I don't believe you're getting trapped by hyperbaric chamber
Godulkin if your sister's age, that's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't I don't think it would happen.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, So I just wish there was more uh writing
around her plans. So you really felt like, well, she
has a backup to the backup to the backup, and
a counterplan to I just assumed.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I think you're right that that doesn't fit with it,
and it can easily be wreckconed in a future episode
or she was active or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I think you make a good point. And let's
go back to.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Our very first ever conversation about this show, where you
called out something that I thought was a really good
point and you and Joel talked about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Which is like.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
This notion of like how they treat soups, how they
treat people of color, the way that this show is
written around kind.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Of such real feeling events, but still has this absurdity
to it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I do think the lack of writing around since the
stage in this moment immediately made me think of that combo.
So how are you feeling post finale about the show
and kind of the way that it approach this stuff,
Like did it just give us another space where it
can be like, oh, these powerful, rich white people are oppressed,
or did it like have something more interesting to say.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think it's gesturing at something more interesting just by
the weight of the characters who we've focused on over
the season, the Right and the rise of Polarity to
being a really important part of the story and even
sister Stage. But again, I could keep coming back to
(31:33):
this frustration I have with Sage and now I'm going
to put on my like, now I'm going to get
completely conspiratorial. Is there something like overly like, why are
we scared of like a really scheming, super super of
showing like a super smart person of color, be smart,
(31:55):
be smart in a way that's maybe manipulative, that's maybe
not evil, but is so far ahead of everybody else
that it's like WHOA.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
There are times there are times watching Stage and not
just in the you know, in this season, but in
thea where I'm like, she just seems like a regular
kind of smart.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Also, she has like a photographic memory and stuff cininically,
so she could have just I'm hoping that she has
been secretly just remembering everything she's seen, kind of like
a you know, Lex Luthor's girlfriend in Superman, but ditzy,
Like I feel like maybe she's playing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It down a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I also do generally think that you're onto something very
smart there, because if you think about it, the idea
of like a truly brilliantly intelligent black woman is just
an honest truth of like every day. But in the
Marvel universe, when they wanted to make a black character
the most intelligent character in the world, they had to
choose a young black kid in Lunella, you know, because
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I think they were afraid, like you say, of like, well,
if we say an adult black women is smarter than
Tony Stark.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
How are people going to react? It's like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
God, guys, is that it's a shame that even has
to be a conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
See the Sister Sage kind of situation, Like I'm gonna
have to see that evolve, because I think that they
did tap into some really interesting, crazy things, like when
she was lobotomizing herself and stuff so that she could
like keep going. It was just like, there's so much interesting,
(33:32):
fucked up shit they could do, and I feel like
it was not delivered on in the way I expected
after what they kind of set up with her in Cipher,
But I'm hoping now, Thomas Cadoalkin, is you know dealt
with we are gonna now see that actually in the Boys'
season five, the final season of the Boys, I need that, Yes,
we need to see what Sage's plan is. And also,
(33:53):
like everyone in The Boys sucks, so I'm gonna be
rooting for sister Sage, like if we end with her
being in charge and Maria's killed and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm cool. That sounds interesting, And uh yeah, I do think.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think gen VI both struggles and thrives off the
fact that it is not based on the comics. I
think that while we know that they have changed the
comics a lot from The Boys, and I was talking
about this on a scale pat recently. Thankfully, GENV is
its own thing, and I think the.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Peaks of it.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It becomes a transcendently good version of extreme superherior programming,
and it's weakness it sometimes falls back into like your
cwsque expectations of And it's interesting too because the finale,
i mean episode seven, in episode eight, they actually go
against a lot of the rules that we have come
to understand of programming. The final two episodes of TV
(34:47):
A lot of times the big action episode is the
penultimate episode, and then you have your emotional episode. So yeah, interesting,
not necessarily like a perfect season of TV, but what
is other than and or season two, you know, which
we have found this year to be a that was
crazy for that to come out at the beginning of
the year. It really makes you think about TV. But
(35:08):
I love these characters. I love Ja Sinclair. I think
she should be getting all the shine for this. I
would love to see her in another leading role. And yeah,
it was It was a fun show to cover, and
I'm glad that the Discord was into it too, because
I love this show even when I can see its flaws.
But the Discord has been really having some great convos.
So if you are a GENV or Boys fan or
(35:30):
have any thoughts about this season, definitely check out the
Discord because we were there's been a lot of conbo.
There was actually quite a lot of shock that there
was not a dedicated Gen B thread when the show started,
because everyone was.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like, come on, we need to talk about how this
connects to the Boys, and now we know.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
One more thing that I wanted to mention the scene
where you know good Alkin now in his healed up
body out of the hyperbaric chamber. He and sister Sage
have this huge feast, red wine, lobster, the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It made me think of my mom. My mom recently
got a diet and gout.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh no, your mom never got gout, Jason.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
She got a diagnosis of gout. And I was like, well,
here's you know, mom, here's the good news about gout.
You know, I said, when she called me way later
than she she should have called me. She should have
called me when she got the diagnosis. And when she
went to the emergency room because she had pack, she
waited for like a week and then she's like, it's gout.
(36:34):
And I was like, well, here's the good news, Like,
you can you can with your diet, you can get
that under control.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
What have you been eating? Yeah, here's what my mom
told me she had been eating.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
My mom joined this Facebook group of older ladies, and
these older ladies are like the fucking uh you know
kids from like the Outsiders or something like. They are
sixty seventy plus ladies who are likeled in the streets.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, they ting going out to eat, like doing weird meat.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yep, they're out to eat four or five nights a week,
and I was like, mom, what are you eatings? This
is what she told me, I meaning, she's eating lobster
and she's eating a lobster again. She's eating lobster two
times a week for the last eight months. And then
(37:25):
es I get it, And then she told me, well,
also she told me this like a week later. Oh yeah, well,
I was also, there's this place that does lobsters. So
she's eating lobster three times.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
A weet.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Lobster poisoning or something lobster lobster and lobster roll and then.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Also truffles, caviar and tins of sardines.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
She's trying to get gout.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
She's like, what's the richest, oiliest food I can eat?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And watching that scene of Thomas Godalkin with red wine
dripping down his chest as he's like eating incredible, clicking
his fingers of caviar and like lobster grease, I can
only think of my mother and think that it's a
good thing that Goodalkin's out of it now because he would.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Have had to deal with this.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, and sister Stage, be careful, do some exercise, kai
back not three loups does the night and I gotta
tell you, guys, I do love Jason's mom.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
She's a stylish queen of energy and incredible nature. So
she's probably not gonna stop eating lipster every night.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But you know what, hopefully she doesn't get gout again,
because I've had.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
She had that.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Do you remember at my at my wedding party, she
had that walking boot that she been yes, yes, and
she thought it was a tendon problem from trying on
pumps her like high he'll shoes it too, And no,
it turns out that was the pre symptoms of her
gout because she.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Was eating some rich dinner that night at the at
the wedding part.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So so be careful, everybody.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Watch you die.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Guys speak all I have to say to you.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
On the next episode of xtra Vision, it's finally time
we're pitching what we want to see in an X
Men movie.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Oh I'm so excited we've been probably can't wait.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
And speaking of that, just you know, quick rejoice.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I was gonna say, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Just a quick thing. Cipher in this season and goodalkin
shows you how op Charles Xavier is. And we're going
to talk about that when we pitch our day movie.
That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray
Vision is hosted by Jason Septs Young and Rosie Knight
and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Produces are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
And Bay Wack.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and
Heidi our discord moderator.
Warren.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode Candad's spoilers for gen V season two, including
the excellent episode seven and the season finale. Hello, I
(00:25):
am is Jason and I'm Merday Night and welcome back
to x Revideon of the podcast where we dive deep
to your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop culture. Coming
you from my heart, We're we're bringing you three episodes
a week.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
In today's episode, me and Jason are going to be
digging into the final three episodes of gen V, including.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
A question over whether episode seven or eight should be
the finale.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Ooh, but first let's get to godalkin you. So basically,
last time we left off, we were at El Mirah
and that is where we begin, and of course the
group are able to break out again. They saved Annabeth's
life and that was very good because she is secretly
pre cognitive. Now, Jason question, is she pre cognitive because
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Marie gave her her powers? Or was she always pre cognitive?
I am interested in that question. We get to see
Emma and she saves Polarity aka Sweet Sweet, chases father
Andre's father. He is being puppeted by Cipher, which will
become a big plotline over the next couple of episodes,
(01:36):
Cipher is sending out his best after Marie, but she
is very powerful. Marie is also searching for shocking terms
here and I think a comeback I did not see,
and I may make an argument was a more interesting
finale than the Peacemaker finale had to offer. We get
(01:57):
a return from none other than Stan Edgar, someone I
was not expecting to see and to be because of
the nature of the fact that of where we first
met the incredible actor. Oh my gosh, why am I
forgetting his name? Oh my god, he's gonna be Charles Xavier.
(02:20):
Why is this happening to me? The Internet? I know
you can help me.
Speaker 4 (02:24):
Gian Carlos Posita, thank you.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Because of where we originally met, Jihan Carlo Esposito, I
do feel like whenever I see him, because of Breaking Bad,
I immediately think pressed these TV show, So I think
they did a really good job here. Unexpected to see
the man who was part of you know, vot coming
in as a helper, and then we learn what we
had Alady suspected, which is essentially that Project Odessa has
(02:50):
only had two successes, and they are Marie and Homelander. Obviously, that,
you know, they didn't know Marie had powers when she
was young, so they thought that it was a failure.
Then this is the big one, guys, that has been
annoying me. We get some Sam Emma time. We're gonna
get a lot of it. It's gonna be very frustrating.
(03:11):
I love this relationship in the first season. I do
not think they're delivering here. I think it's very annoying.
I also think Sam is not doing a good job
at any kind of reconsider.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
I agree it's like a well, I will say that.
Here's what I liked about it. It's will they won't they?
In the in in theory, but it's also I kind
of liked the angle of Sam isn'to Emma and Emma's
just kind of over it, but is searching for a
(03:41):
way to like let him off easy.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
Although at times it felt like is.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
That what they're doing?
Speaker 2 (03:47):
Like there were that it was just too ambiguous where
I'm like, does she like it?
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Because?
Speaker 3 (03:51):
And now I'm like, I think the first I think
in the first season it was such an interesting relationship
of two people who are outside, two people who had
tried their best to survive. And I do think that
It's interesting to see them kind of unsure as.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Real teenagers are.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
But at the same time, I also feel like, and
this is an issue that I do think runs through
these last three episodes, I also feel like.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
The show is slightly unsure.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
What to do with Sam, which I think is a
shame because I just thought he was such an interesting
character in the first season. We will now start to
get to the meat of the season, and I want
to say, lots of listeners were right about this, so
giving you a lot of cheers, guys.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Basically, they are starting.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
To notice that there are a lot of Thomas Godolkin
connections with old Cipher. Is Cipher using Thomas Goadlkin's old research?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
What could Cipher be doing?
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And then somebody remembers, oh, wait, do you remember there
was like a burnt up guy in his apartment? And
do you remember how the beginning of the season there
was Ethan Slater aka missus Ariana Grande aka Bockwoodsman from Wicked.
And guess what, guys, it it probably is him in there.
(05:07):
It's actually him, and I guess at this point they
think that Cipher's plan is to use Thomas Kadawkins's body
somehow try and work out some kind of plan.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
They don't realize the truth.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Cipher then reveals his ultimate plan, which classic to early monologuing,
is basically like Boom, I'm gonna kill all the week superheroes.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Yes, okay, bro, what the fuck.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Like that's your plan?
Speaker 4 (05:29):
Seems dumb?
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Why you worked at school?
Speaker 3 (05:32):
And then we obviously get the polarity showdown where he
gets to take off his mask of civility and teaching
and ends up kind of sticking up for his.
Speaker 4 (05:45):
Son who Cipher was?
Speaker 1 (05:47):
You know who?
Speaker 3 (05:48):
Cipher basically killed even though it was you know the
who did what was? He forced Andre into killing himself
by using his powers too much, And Marie and Kate
are back friends again, another real relationship. I do not
understand if I'm Kate, if I'm friends with Kate, She's
getting her head chopped off, like I'm sick of her
at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
She's I am I found there, she is a betrayer,
She's a mixed up.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Kid, no will, she'sistic.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
I found there.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
I've found much of their relationship to actually be annoying
over the course of the season, but I actually like
surprising to me.
Speaker 5 (06:27):
I found their reunion to be Actually it hit home.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
I like, I actually was like I'm feeling this like
I it was, I felt the emotion of that.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
I think that's the thing that keeps me watching this
show is that the characters and the actors they do
elevate it.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Like a lot of times you'll be like, what is
going on?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Very teenage of them to be constantly falling in and
out of romances and friendships and blah blah blah. But
I'm also just like, at some point, you're like, this
girl every single time, she's gonna betray you.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
Guys, Listen, I don't now I'm gonna stick up for
Kate even though I agree with you. She is a betrayer,
and if that happened to me, I would never forgive.
Speaker 5 (07:13):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
I think Kate has gone with a broken power set
that makes her extremely vulnerable, has gone to laudable lengths
to try and make up for it, and has put
herself in danger even though like her plans are pretty
fucked up and bad, and she got them all thrown
in prison once again. But I put herself out there.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
And I respect it as well.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
I will say, Kate, even though it is fucked up,
has always been coming from a place of trying to
protect her friends. That's why she's always wiping people's memories
and stuff. So yes, okay, I will recap episode seven Annabath.
She wakes up, she's looking for her sister, and no surprise,
she's had a kind of you know, minority report styles.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Pilarity basically tells.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Them like, hey, this is really going not great, like
I can fight him, but sure. Kate is also like this.
I found very interesting.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
What are Marie's powers when it comes to healing soups
versus healing their powers. That's a big conversation that Kate
and Marie try to have. I was also disappointed this
episode because we do start to get the kind of
like fractures between Jordan and Marie, and I'm a big
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Jordan and Marie lover. Then we learn that Annabeth actually
did always have original powers.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
She was not given her powers by Marie.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
She too had superpowers hers with just not as nightmarish
as a blood bending. Then we get to the point
where we learn that Polarity has his own scheme. He's
taken his plan, He's going he's taken Cipher and he's
gonna find out what happened.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
But remember, just like good old, good old.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Charlesick Savior in the movie A Logan, there is Polarity
has a degenerative illness that means that every time he
uses his powers, he is kind of fucking up his
brain a bit more there was there's a big seizure here.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
It's definitely an als kind of illness. But and I
have to say, I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm interested to see other people's conversations about this now
the episode is out.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I need to dig into them more.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
After this episode, Marie just cures.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
Him, right, she just cures him.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
And I found this to be very interesting. Jason, give
me your take, because that's a huge moment.
Speaker 5 (09:45):
My take is that.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I think that genv has done a good job of
keeping the evolution of everyone's powers, including Marie's and the
and the kind of synergistic way the powers work when
they're all together polarities powers for instance, secondary powers.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
With regards to.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Cipher, I think they've done the show has done a
good job of balancing it and not making it too
disx machina at times, which sometimes it feels like that
I was.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I was surprised.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
I think I was surprised that at the ease with
which she jumped directly to being able to do this,
And I liked overall, I think it was it was pretty,
it was cool, and you knew kind of where it
was going once you saw that she could do this.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah, I thought it was really interesting. I like it
because also, you know that is obviously in fiction, lots
of kind of issues something I've written about, wrote about
with like the magical disability Q. But this is in
the this is in the scope and the space of
he is dying, he has a degenerated right and this
is also a black supero saving another black superhero whose
(11:04):
son she couldn't save.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I thought it was good.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And like you said, I think the emotional moments in
this final three episodes are really good.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Really good.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Without the emotional moments, I think this is almost like
a beyond terrible show.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
But right to your point.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
No, I think that the best thing about it is
the kids and the kids keeping caring. They really when
you're describing it, you are like, okay, and then and then,
but really.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
It's those big emotional moments.
Speaker 3 (11:30):
It's Jas Sinclair, it's the guy who plays Emma who
I just think is so funny and brilliant. Yeah, she's
so great. So as always, Cipher just really.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Wants to get Marie to train. Why does he care
so much?
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Clearly she is meant to be his big weapon in
the killing weak Soups plan, But I'm also confused because
I'm like, sir, you're at a school where they're just
last year was like a virus that was able to
kill every superhero. I feel like, couldn't you have just
like done a version of that to kill.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
The weak kid?
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Like I'm not trying to say you should kill these kids,
but I feel like specifically using the powers of one
person who is not aligned with you is never gonna
end well. But again, we get those emotional moments and
it becomes about Marie having to choose her friends.
Speaker 4 (12:21):
And their survival over.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Anything else, and that I think has been something season
two has done pretty well to show kind of how
complicit the kids have to be to survive. And then
the reality is you get a big final fight. But
the big reveal from from episode seven that I think
is probably would have been good to leave for a
(12:47):
finale reveal.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
And will I agree with you? And let's talk about
that when we get into the discussion.
Speaker 5 (12:52):
Couse, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
We will say that what you learn at the end
of this episode is done done that as many we
were rights will be dinging in the discords. Thomas Goodolkin
is in fact the one who has the puppeteering powers,
and he is the one who has been puppeteering the
Hamish link later version of Thomas Godolk of Cipher that
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we know, but the real cipher is done, done, done
Ethan Slater.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
It is Marie heals him.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Probably not a good idea, and then you realize, oh shit,
it's Thomas who had the plan all along. It's box
Woodman bock would box bock Woodman from Wicked box Wood
that wicked guy. And yes, and he is gonna now
be fully healed by Marie to to plan killing.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
All the soups.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
So good for him, good for that terrible man, and uh,
good for honestly Amazon forgetting the old big big hero
six kind of level stars out for this one with yeah,
with Goadalkin and into the finale we work.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
In the finale, Uh, Tom Godalkin now up on his feet.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Sends an email blast to the to the student body saying, hey, everybody.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
Guess what.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
I know that a lot of people have been frustrated
at the kind of ladder, the hierarchy here at Godalkin,
you where it felt like, you know, there's a select
few amount of students who are able to rise to
the top and get the you know, the access to
the prime nil superhero deals and perhaps like a pathway
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to the seven.
Speaker 5 (14:58):
Well, guess what are opening up the doors. We're throwing
it all.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Open and everybody now is gonna get a chance to
compete for those primes. It's not just gonna be a
selection process. It's gonna be open enrollment. Come down to
my office tomorrow and we're gonna hash it out.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
And guess what. It's a trap.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Of course, our heroes, our heroes of course know it's
a trap, and so they're as this is happening. They're
trying to figure out, Okay, what how do we we
know this is a trap And we know that Goodalkin
slash Cipher is all about mutant supremacy. Right, He's gonna
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want to call the week in his own words, He's
gonna want to call the week. And this has gotta
be what this is about? How do we get in there,
so they're planning to get in there. It's just as
they thought. Goodalkin gathers the student body and just has
everybody like killing each other willy nilly.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Almosto makes sense because of what we saw with the
training he was doing.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I almost so like is this I feel like.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
And this is you know, definitely a boys you know
that's problem, But like why is everyone so dramatic?
Speaker 1 (16:11):
Like why can't he just do like a normal version
of killing off that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Like, that's my favorite thing about this universe is everyone's
still the most extreme version, Like you just got a
bunch of kids killing each other.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I feel like you.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Could have come up with an easier way to do this,
my guy.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Yeah, And also like can't I understand some of the
powers are not that cool, but like a fire power,
for instance, to control fire, I think.
Speaker 5 (16:35):
Is pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
But when I'm kidding, so, can't you find like another
job for some of these people?
Speaker 5 (16:40):
Like they don't? It seems like such a waste anyway.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
It does also, Okay, I want to also let's let's
check in because this was something that you know, we
didn't get too into, but let's also talk about the
Dolkins relationship with sister Sage and well.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Listen, Okay, so this let's just like roll the justscussion
into the recap as well. I will say some of
episode eight, the finale, particularly the beginning when it's like
and even the relationship when he was puppeting Cipher.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Yes, felt like.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It.
Speaker 5 (17:20):
It felt like kink shaving to me a little bit.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Jason and I listen, like, there's you know, sexual uh
proclivities on display here that I'm not personally into. That said,
I found it a little bit like, hey, if you're
into this kind of more SMM style sex, you're.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
Evil and wa was weird, right right?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I feel like that's very against the general understanding of
what BDSM has become posts ah, you know, fifty Shades
of Gray, which was really unrepresentative but opened up a
lot of normal people's minds to what it could be.
I feel like that has been to talk about how
consensual it is, to talk about how non evil it is,
to talk about how all.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
Different kinds of people do it.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
And obviously we spoke about Pillion coming up like a
dom com. So yeah, I do think I think that
you and Ian were onto something with that.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
Catch it's not for me, Like, that's not what I know,
It's not for me in my life. But I felt
like they used this these kind of scenes as character
builders in a way that seemed to suggest, like, hey,
there was an implication of like the moral connection between
the second yes and their behavior, And I do think
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that that is an outdated take and I felt like
it went a little bit over the line into shaming
essentially for me.
Speaker 4 (18:43):
Yeah, Also, what is the appeal.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
To sister stage of this relationship. That's my other thing.
She's like the smartest person.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
She's incredibly strong and sexy and cool. And when we
first saw her with are, when we first saw her
with our you know, Hamish link later version, I was like, Okay,
these two they are new up and comers there. But
I don't know if I believe that Puppetier the Dolkin
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has the juice.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Yes, so our heroes come up with a plan that
includes climbing into the butt of butt boy.
Speaker 3 (19:23):
Could you be surprised his butt has been linked in
every episode? Everyone to know why there were so many
butt jokes and butt stuff in this season. It's been
leading to this, which is obviously a riff on our
big and man than asks can't he just go up
the button explode him joke, which has been done many times.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Kate now with her full powers thanks to Marie In
what again, what was an emotional moment when Marie's like,
I'm gonna heal you now manages to get one more
student placed into the Hunger Games Battle Royale kill fest
that Thomas Godalkin is overseeing. That is butt Boy. Butt
(20:05):
Boy goes in and to go, what are you doing here?
I'll show you what I'm doing here, and butt Boy
expels all of our heroes out of the butt as
Marie engages with Thomas Dawkin's uh, you know, mind controlled
student body. Big fight happens. But then when it seems
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like they have won and they have the chance to
murk Goodalkin right there, and it had me being like,
why are you hesitating for now? It turns out Goodalkin
has been applying his own philosophies to himself, using all
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this death and violence and killing to train himself so
that he can now overpower Marie. He takes control of
Marie and she's about to cause the blood of all
her friends to burst out of their bodies. She's killing
him with her mind. But then Polarity comes in, and
of course Polarity has developed has realized that he has
(21:08):
the ability to not just resist Godulkin slash Cipher, but
to actually disrupt his powers. He does it, and then
they take out Godulkin. They take him out, Happy Days.
They go on the run, and who should contact them
and find them none other than Starlighter, who says, you
know what, this is the energy, you guys, This kind
(21:32):
of shot in the arm of youthful resistance energy is
exactly what we need to take on Homelander and Vought.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Oh my god, Homeliner, we just kill him already.
Speaker 5 (21:45):
But yes, I kill it.
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And I think Marie is.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Going to be the homeland to killer the weapon. I
think it will work.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
But yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Like one, I feel like the funniest thing is cosmic
Kumite episode could.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Have gone before.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
You could have still found a way to have the.
Speaker 3 (22:05):
Giant, crazy spectacle of the kind of kids killing each
other Kumte, but left I feel like the bigger question
of oh, somebody wants to kill all week soups, that's
an interesting thing to go into the next season with.
But instead it was like you know Godalkinstan and I
guess these are kind of our boys. Now this is
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the new generation of the boys.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Let's take a quick break and talk about all of
these issues, including whether the finale should have been the finale.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Be back after this war and we're back, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
When I was watching episode seven, I had to actually
check that there was another episode in the hopper because
I was like, that felt.
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Like and an unbelievable finale.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Now here's here's my reasoning, and I'm eager to know
if you if you agree. First of all, we had
spent so much time with Hamish Linkletter as Cipher, and
he had done such wonderful job killed like mustache twisting
and being such an evil, fucking bastard and shouts to
(23:30):
our discord all the kind of Goodalkin is the mastermind stuff?
Was it? When I was watching the screener is I
didn't really pick up on it. So the moment when
it was revealed that Ethan Slater Thomas Godalkin was the
real mastermind, the true villain of it, I was like
(23:51):
blown away and I kind of felt like, you spend
this entire season with Cipher, and.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
At that point I wanted I wanted it to be.
I wanted it to be the end.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Because I want to figure out, okay, like, well, what
are we doing next? It felt like such a strong
hook and and cliffhanger that I was a little disappointed
at the finale and the kind of it felt a
little bit paint by numbers, big fight against the bad
(24:28):
guy to me and I listen, I am the person
that said we let Homelander live too long and then
it stretched it out too much. But I think you
could have turned I think so Thomas Goodalkin the Fight
against Goodalkin into not a whole season, but maybe a
couple episodes opening opisode.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
I also get it, like Ethan Slayer is a big
Hollywood and Broadway star, But also, guys, you got to
do costing that fits with the tone of the show.
And if somebody can only be around an episod or
a couple of episodes that may not have the biggest
kind of payoff, because I do, and I get it
as well. They probably didn't want to go into season three,
potential season three, because I will say that Eric Kripkey
(25:13):
has come out and been like, hey, if you guys
want GENV season three got to keep watching, got to
get those numbers up, you know, which we know is
the game of streaming. But at the same time, like
I had, felt like this season had done a really
good job of continuing the emotional arcs of characters we
care about, Characters like Emma getting to make new friends
(25:34):
and starting her kind of resistance group, getting to see
Marie and Jordan obviously loved that. Getting to see even
though like, personally, do I watch the show and be like, kay,
I would kick you down a flight of stairs?
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Ah, is that an incredible, interesting, complicated character with really
complicated powers.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yes it is. And I think that in that final.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Episode, even though you know, we get the boys nurse
of like the butt boy and they're all exploding out
of his butt, I also feel like episode seven could
have set us on a path where I've seen a
lot of people, not just us, saying that they felt overall, generally.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
So far this has been a stronger season than the
last season.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
But I agree, And I agree because I think the
writing of the characters and the utilization of the college
setting to try and have these conversations about what's going
on in the world is really interesting and good.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
But I definitely did not.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
After episode seven, I was like, oh my god, I'm
so glad there's another episode, Like I'm ready to go
into season three?
Speaker 1 (26:37):
What does it look like? And I do feel like
when I was watching the finale, it.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Was a bit less of a hook and more of
like a crazy bombastic situation a boss time. Which also, again,
like I said, I love blood Sport, I love Kickboxer,
I love a Kuma Ta style movie where everyone has to.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Fight each other. But that is also something.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
They already did earlier in this season pretty well when
they were doing the training episodes, and also as well,
you know, I feel like nowadays you need to be
making a point.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
If you are making a.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Statement about, you know, the way that people kill kids,
I feel like there needs to be a bit more
of something interesting there, whether it's to do with, you know,
an analogy about war or like Bower Rayal was, it
was an analogy about the notion of a badly behaved
teenager and how overpopulation was killing Japan.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
So I think Hunger Games.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
You know, we know that really it's just bou Raal,
But allegedly she was watching TV and she saw the
you know, the mix of like a reality TV show
and reporting on the Iraq War, and that kind of
merged together. I think this big boss fight at the
end is more just so tonally within the world of
the Boys and kind of what Cipher Slash good Olkin
(27:51):
wants that I don't necessarily think it branches out in
the interesting way that they have done. Ian made a
great point in the chat, it's essentially like an epilogue.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
It doesn't really feel.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I have a question for Okay, so yes, I think
we're in agreement. It felt like episode seven could have
been and maybe should have been the finale. I have
another question for you, and this one stretches back to
the boys. Even Sister Sage, is.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
She smart enough?
Speaker 4 (28:19):
That's what if she's meant to be the smartest person
I was.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
I was expecting her to be the mastermind because I'm
kind of like, isn't she the most intelligent person on a.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
You know, I think of the way I think of
Sister Sage, or at least my ideal version of her
power set. And maybe this is just my personal thing,
but when I hear smartest person on Earth, you know,
it sees all the angles I want that I want
that Batman debate where it's like, well, yes, yes, of
(28:52):
course Batman would be Superman because he's thought if Superman
suddenly attacked him, he's he's God, that's cool in his
a patch of kryptonite like in his suit, and he's
thought of all the ways that he could take him down.
And you never feel that with Sage's She's get surprised
in this scene, like she's she's shocked when Godalkin turns
(29:15):
on her and doesn't want to go with her plan.
And yes, she does adapt well, but she adapts in
a way that feels more like a roll of a dice.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Right than actually like her scheme. Because also, yeah, she's
gonna be the CEO of Bought, but what does that
really mean? Like that changes every single day. Ashley's getting
kicked out, Everyone's getting kicked out. And I really enjoy
her as a character and as a conceptual potential, like
(29:48):
you know, is she meant to be the new Homelander
or is she meant to be the new.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Kind of leader?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But I don't believe you're getting trapped by hyperbaric chamber
Godulkin if your sister's age, that's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't I don't think it would happen.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Yeah, So I just wish there was more uh writing
around her plans. So you really felt like, well, she
has a backup to the backup to the backup, and
a counterplan to I just assumed.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And I think you're right that that doesn't fit with it,
and it can easily be wreckconed in a future episode
or she was active or whatever.
Speaker 4 (30:25):
But I think you make a good point. And let's
go back to.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
Our very first ever conversation about this show, where you
called out something that I thought was a really good
point and you and Joel talked about it a lot.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Which is like.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
This notion of like how they treat soups, how they
treat people of color, the way that this show is
written around kind.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Of such real feeling events, but still has this absurdity
to it.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
I do think the lack of writing around since the
stage in this moment immediately made me think of that combo.
So how are you feeling post finale about the show
and kind of the way that it approach this stuff,
Like did it just give us another space where it
can be like, oh, these powerful, rich white people are oppressed,
or did it like have something more interesting to say.
Speaker 5 (31:10):
I think it.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
I think it's gesturing at something more interesting just by
the weight of the characters who we've focused on over
the season, the Right and the rise of Polarity to
being a really important part of the story and even
sister Stage. But again, I could keep coming back to
(31:33):
this frustration I have with Sage and now I'm going
to put on my like, now I'm going to get
completely conspiratorial. Is there something like overly like, why are
we scared of like a really scheming, super super of
showing like a super smart person of color, be smart,
(31:55):
be smart in a way that's maybe manipulative, that's maybe
not evil, but is so far ahead of everybody else
that it's like WHOA.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
I think that.
Speaker 5 (32:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
There are times there are times watching Stage and not
just in the you know, in this season, but in
thea where I'm like, she just seems like a regular
kind of smart.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Also, she has like a photographic memory and stuff cininically,
so she could have just I'm hoping that she has
been secretly just remembering everything she's seen, kind of like
a you know, Lex Luthor's girlfriend in Superman, but ditzy,
Like I feel like maybe she's playing.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
It down a bit.
Speaker 3 (32:36):
I also do generally think that you're onto something very
smart there, because if you think about it, the idea
of like a truly brilliantly intelligent black woman is just
an honest truth of like every day. But in the
Marvel universe, when they wanted to make a black character
the most intelligent character in the world, they had to
choose a young black kid in Lunella, you know, because
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I think they were afraid, like you say, of like, well,
if we say an adult black women is smarter than
Tony Stark.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
How are people going to react? It's like, oh my.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
God, guys, is that it's a shame that even has
to be a conversation.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
But I'm gonna have to.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
See the Sister Sage kind of situation, Like I'm gonna
have to see that evolve, because I think that they
did tap into some really interesting, crazy things, like when
she was lobotomizing herself and stuff so that she could
like keep going. It was just like, there's so much interesting,
(33:32):
fucked up shit they could do, and I feel like
it was not delivered on in the way I expected
after what they kind of set up with her in Cipher,
But I'm hoping now, Thomas Cadoalkin, is you know dealt
with we are gonna now see that actually in the Boys'
season five, the final season of the Boys, I need that, Yes,
we need to see what Sage's plan is. And also,
(33:53):
like everyone in The Boys sucks, so I'm gonna be
rooting for sister Sage, like if we end with her
being in charge and Maria's killed and stuff.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I'm cool. That sounds interesting, And uh yeah, I do think.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I think gen VI both struggles and thrives off the
fact that it is not based on the comics. I
think that while we know that they have changed the
comics a lot from The Boys, and I was talking
about this on a scale pat recently. Thankfully, GENV is
its own thing, and I think the.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Peaks of it.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
It becomes a transcendently good version of extreme superherior programming,
and it's weakness it sometimes falls back into like your
cwsque expectations of And it's interesting too because the finale,
i mean episode seven, in episode eight, they actually go
against a lot of the rules that we have come
to understand of programming. The final two episodes of TV
(34:47):
A lot of times the big action episode is the
penultimate episode, and then you have your emotional episode. So yeah, interesting,
not necessarily like a perfect season of TV, but what
is other than and or season two, you know, which
we have found this year to be a that was
crazy for that to come out at the beginning of
the year. It really makes you think about TV. But
(35:08):
I love these characters. I love Ja Sinclair. I think
she should be getting all the shine for this. I
would love to see her in another leading role. And yeah,
it was It was a fun show to cover, and
I'm glad that the Discord was into it too, because
I love this show even when I can see its flaws.
But the Discord has been really having some great convos.
So if you are a GENV or Boys fan or
(35:30):
have any thoughts about this season, definitely check out the
Discord because we were there's been a lot of conbo.
There was actually quite a lot of shock that there
was not a dedicated Gen B thread when the show started,
because everyone was.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Like, come on, we need to talk about how this
connects to the Boys, and now we know.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
One more thing that I wanted to mention the scene
where you know good Alkin now in his healed up
body out of the hyperbaric chamber. He and sister Sage
have this huge feast, red wine, lobster, the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (36:02):
It made me think of my mom. My mom recently
got a diet and gout.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Oh no, your mom never got gout, Jason.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
She got a diagnosis of gout. And I was like, well,
here's you know, mom, here's the good news about gout.
You know, I said, when she called me way later
than she she should have called me. She should have
called me when she got the diagnosis. And when she
went to the emergency room because she had pack, she
waited for like a week and then she's like, it's gout.
(36:34):
And I was like, well, here's the good news, Like,
you can you can with your diet, you can get
that under control.
Speaker 5 (36:39):
What have you been eating? Yeah, here's what my mom
told me she had been eating.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
My mom joined this Facebook group of older ladies, and
these older ladies are like the fucking uh you know
kids from like the Outsiders or something like. They are
sixty seventy plus ladies who are likeled in the streets.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
Yeah, they ting going out to eat, like doing weird meat.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yep, they're out to eat four or five nights a week,
and I was like, mom, what are you eatings? This
is what she told me, I meaning, she's eating lobster
and she's eating a lobster again. She's eating lobster two
times a week for the last eight months. And then
(37:25):
es I get it, And then she told me, well,
also she told me this like a week later. Oh yeah, well,
I was also, there's this place that does lobsters. So
she's eating lobster three times.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
A weet.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
Lobster poisoning or something lobster lobster and lobster roll and then.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Also truffles, caviar and tins of sardines.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
She's trying to get gout.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
She's like, what's the richest, oiliest food I can eat?
Speaker 2 (38:00):
And watching that scene of Thomas Godalkin with red wine
dripping down his chest as he's like eating incredible, clicking
his fingers of caviar and like lobster grease, I can
only think of my mother and think that it's a
good thing that Goodalkin's out of it now because he would.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
Have had to deal with this.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Yeah, and sister Stage, be careful, do some exercise, kai
back not three loups does the night and I gotta
tell you, guys, I do love Jason's mom.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
She's a stylish queen of energy and incredible nature. So
she's probably not gonna stop eating lipster every night.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
But you know what, hopefully she doesn't get gout again,
because I've had.
Speaker 5 (38:45):
She had that.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Do you remember at my at my wedding party, she
had that walking boot that she been yes, yes, and
she thought it was a tendon problem from trying on
pumps her like high he'll shoes it too, And no,
it turns out that was the pre symptoms of her
gout because she.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Was eating some rich dinner that night at the at
the wedding part.
Speaker 5 (39:11):
So so be careful, everybody.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Watch you die.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Guys speak all I have to say to you.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
On the next episode of xtra Vision, it's finally time
we're pitching what we want to see in an X
Men movie.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
Oh I'm so excited we've been probably can't wait.
Speaker 5 (39:26):
And speaking of that, just you know, quick rejoice.
Speaker 4 (39:29):
I was gonna say, let's do it, let's do it.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Just a quick thing. Cipher in this season and goodalkin
shows you how op Charles Xavier is. And we're going
to talk about that when we pitch our day movie.
That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening. X ray
Vision is hosted by Jason Septs Young and Rosie Knight
and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.
Speaker 5 (39:56):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
Produces are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
And Bay Wack.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
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Heidi our discord moderator.
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