June 13, 2025 • 61 mins
15 years after the original, we’re taking to the skies again with Toothless and Hiccup! Jason and Rosie break down the How to Train Your Dragon live action remake, with reactions to the flying scenes, the cast, and Jason’s half serious theory on the movie’s darker message. Then Joelle and Aaron join to discuss How to Train Your Dragon, Lilo & Stitch, and the current trend of live action remake movies. Do we want a remake or an adaptation? Which ones have been good? Plus, everyone picks their favorite (and least favorite) live action remake.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cue the bagpipes. Today's episode contains spoilers for How to
Train Your Dragon, the live action remake, but of course,
also the first installment of the original animated movie. Jason
(00:30):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Where We're for you, three episodes a week every Tuesday Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
There's in today's episode, we are giving you our review
of the live action movie How to Train Your Dragon?
Ever heard of it? It's a part of it. It's
a live action remake of an animated classic, which is
going to inspire a round table conversation asking is it
(01:04):
a live action remake or an adaptation? Oh baby, I'm
sure that's gonna get spicy, and we will also be
talking about the future of live action remakes. But bust,
let's talk about it. Jason, me and you. What do
we think about this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Let's do it?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, we have recently seen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
A wonderful truly. You called it a classic. I believe
it is. And it's also it contains or has what
I think is a very underrated soundtrack. Now, yes, yes,
some people are gonna say, well, the soundtrack was nominated
for an Oscar.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was, but it didn't win.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Still, I feel like it's not one that people talk
about in the same way they talk about, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Star Wars or Inception, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's a it's a wonderful soundtrack by John Powell, and
let's talk about what did you think of how to
How to Train Your Dragons?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, I thought it was really, really enjoyable. I actually
decided to wait till after I watched it to rewatch
the animated one so I could kind of go in and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Obviously. We sat together with my friend Isaiah and my
eleven year old review guy that I bring with me,
who saw Minecraft. Yeah, I thought it was really great.
I was actually kind of blown away by how good
the casting was, how wonderful, unbelievable casting. Everybody is just
one hundred percent committed. I was very moved by the score,
(02:44):
especially the kind of like flight test flying with a
toothless score that they use as a theme throughout every
single time. That would just be like crying every single
It's it's so passed thrilling. Yeah, and we, I mean
(03:05):
we both talked about this after straight after when we
were at the cinema, But I was blown away by,
for the most part, how unbelievable this movie look, not
only the aerial stuff, the landscape, how they make the
dragons feel so real in a live action space, how
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they light the characters to kind of make them look
more cartoony but still very much in this kind of
I really felt like they did a great job with that,
especially with Hiccup. They constantly light his face to look
anime character.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I love.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I love the casting of his I love the casting
of Astrid Nico Parker. Big fan of her here. I
think this is the first role she's really gotten to
like showcase her kind of not only obviously there's a
lot of like kind of stunt prowess in this, but
just generally like her charm, her kind of. This is
the first great movie that I've seen her in. She
was most recently seen in another like to me, in
(04:04):
another movie that I'm sure we'll talk about, Dumbo, far
less successful live action adaptation. In my opinion, Yeah, I
just thought it was really really good. There were actually
multiple moments here to do with how good the movie looked,
the feeling of it that were giving like the original
kind of loath to throw back to them nowadays, but
(04:28):
they made me feel like when I was a kid
first watching the Harry Potter movies. There was moments here
where I felt like this could be an epic franchise
for kids. Cinematography beautiful, Jared Butler amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm a G buts lover.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I love the g he love We love the G butts.
He rarely gets to be in any big movies like this.
He is definitely more of a B movie guy, an
action guy, a straight terme video guy. But I thought
he was so fun here. I thought the costume design
was fantastic, and really I was just I just thought
it was. It was really really great. How about you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I I loved it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I found it comforting and thrilling all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Great way I thought the I thought it was a
wonderful you know.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They They were so loyal really to the original story,
same director obviously, Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
When I would be.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And but everything that they added in the everything that
live action added was an upgrade, which I thought was
that's how you do it. When you talked about the
aerial stuff, I mean it can't be talked about enough
about how I mean it's powerful. I could watch a
two hour super cut of just the flying scenes. It
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looks amazing. It captures the thrill and the energy and
the dynamism, the excitement of what it must be like
to be, you know, riding Toothless around this incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You really do feel like you are having that experience.
We got to see it in IMAX, and it really
does feel like the rush. This is a movie where
maybe I would go and see it in forty X.
I want to think about in my hair. I want
to feel like I'm riding the spray, Yeah the cinema,
(06:26):
what the ocean spray?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And I you know they didn't they understood, don't change
what is broken, like this character design for not just
the human characters in the live action adaptation, like the hair,
you know Hiccup's hair is they styled it somehow the
(06:51):
same from how to the animated.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That is really true. I was quite blown away by
that when I watched, I was white impressed.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then also, you know, Toothless.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't know what of the character assets they took
from the animated version, or how they scaled that up
and improved it and you know, improved the textures, but
it it doesn't look as if they ripped Toothless from How.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
To Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It looks like they took everything that was there and
just added more detail, but didn't lose that feel, that
animated feel, so that there were times where I had
to remind myself that I wasn't watching Toothless from yeah
animated version like it was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It was a seamless sless and that is a critique
some people have sometimes, right, but like I and at
the beginning of the film, which opens the exact same
way as the original film, they show Buck and they
do change the the voice O very little bit, but
they show but and he's showing his home, and in
my head I had like the cynical voice was like, oh, yeah,
(08:04):
you're completely cgi home, Like it's clear. But then once
you start getting into the village and you can see
the practical nature of it, I was. I just thought
it looked so good and also as well, I was.
I was kind of blown away. And I do think
that it is focused on something I really liked about
the live action movie versus the animated movie is they
(08:27):
gave some of the scenes like time to breathe in
the live action one that they don't get in the original.
When I rewatched the original, I basically felt like I
was speed running the movie because things happened really really.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Fast, and I guess the emotional turns even are really
really fa exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
And something that kind of came across in my opinion,
like really strongly in this version is how it's like
kind of a movie about like adaptive technology and like
disability and like accept invisibility, and that begins with Toothless
and kind of the film ends with you know, Hiccup,
(09:06):
and and honestly, like you know, my biggest critique would
be like, couldn't you have found someone with an amp
who was an like Cata limb difference, or wasn't amputee
to play like Goober's like the Nick the Nick Frost character,
or couldn't you have found someone to play Hiccup? But
you know what, Hollywood, they never doing that stuff. So
but I did think that the themes were like very
(09:28):
very well and you'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I will get to that in a moment, because I
mentioned I do have a I love the film. I
continue to love the film, I love the animated series,
but I do have a dark take.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, you go to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That said, I mentioned that I found this movie comforting,
and it's I love a good kids movie because the
emotions are front and center, but there's also that feeling
of like, hey, you know, when toothless biler, when toothless
is is chained up and harnessed and being forced to
(10:08):
lead them to.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The dragon mast.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
As a kid, that's gonna be intense. You're gonna really
a young audience member is going to really feel that.
At the same time, because it's a kid's movie, there's
also that like gentle kind of undertone of hey, it's
gonna work out. It's gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, don't
don't worry about it. And I found that really in
(10:36):
these times, it's a nice, really comforting. It's a nice
feeling of just being like, you know what, don't worry
about it, it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And also the eleven year old reviewer who also loved
the Minecraft and did did say after see a Minecraft
that was gonna make a lot more money than the
box I said, and he was correct. He was also
a big a big fan in this movie. I think
it was very moving, it was very exciting. There were
even moments when he was kind of scared and it
(11:02):
was spooky, which I thought they did really well. I
also thought they redesigned the kind of I think in
the original Uh, How to Train Your Dragon the Red Death,
they redesigned him to make them like basically a terrifying Kaiju,
which I loved obviously. And I do feel like we're
going to be in an interesting situation this year of
(11:25):
being able to talk about having like a monster movie summer.
If this does well. I do think it's gonna do well.
I that saying that the film is gonna perform overperform
with sixty five million to seventy five million this for
its opening weekend. I think it's gonna make one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think it might be the high end of that.
I think. I think this is the kind of I
think kids.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Are gonna want to see over.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I love Minecraft, Yes, a love Minecraft. Kids are gonna
want to see it. The older kids who grew up
with the originals are gonna want to see it in
live action, and for an adult, it's a pleasant time
at the movie theater. So I think it's got all
I think it's got all of those things. Here's my
dark tick on this movie and the message of this movie,
(12:12):
and that includes the original animated version.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes, this is not a new edition. This is definitely
something that is a story. But it really struck me
this time watching it in live action.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Again.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I love this movie, passionately love this movie. Said, this
is a movie. This is a movie about regime change.
This is a movie about a nation who went to
war mistakenly with a culture and a race of beings
(12:50):
that then tricks or cajoles a small minority of that race,
including several members who had been long imprisoned and enslaved
(13:11):
and potentially brainwashed, into assassinating their nation's leader so that
afterwards they can be put to work by the conquering people.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
That is basically what this story is.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Movie, but there is a kind of a dark undertone
of like colonialism and.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Occupation and war and conquering.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's kind of like, hey, listen, all we know about
this queen is she's bad. How do we know that
we don't like because she ate a couple of her
subjects and therefore it's totally okay that we take these
prisoners who we have been torturing for a long time
(14:04):
by doing various mock executions in a tournament format for
the entertainment of our town, if we then turn them
loose in order to kill her so that we can
take over this nation and use them as you know,
are construction workers.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I mean that is that basically the same thing? Yeah,
I mean also as well, like let's be real that
we don't actually see the giant Kaiju dragon like do
anything wrong, Like she's.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Just she eats, like she eats one or two of
her subjects, which I am not condoning. I'm just saying
as an outside force, we don't understand the societal dynamic funny.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As well, because like in the live action when they
were like, you know, she's probably like controlling the don't
listen to them or something, and I'm like, I don't
know if she is, man, I think this is just
like an ecosystem. You can't understand, like she lives in
a giant volcano.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Giant it's a kids movie.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Therefore, I accept that she was evil. I am just saying,
not a lot of thought.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Goes into that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Really, I think you're read is like correct and the
truth is right now, it's hard not to look at
things through that lens. And a lot of stories from
you know, fairy tales and obviously I'll Train Your Dragons
adapts from a book, but it's not that old. But
a lot of these kind of kids films they do
intentionally or unintentionally continue ideas of like assimilation or and
(15:41):
so so. So I think you're right to call this out.
And let's be real. The movie does I mean sorry,
sorry sorry I said, I said just noticing. I mean
I just say you should you you're correct to note it,
to note that it exists. But you know, like they
see this movie, go see it because it is really great.
And then you you can go in the discord and
then we'll go back to lay tank.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Okay, let's go to another break, and then let's bring in.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The super producer crew and let's talk about live Actually.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, welcome to the floor, super producers.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Joelle's superproducer Aaron. How are you folks.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Tickled by e? How do you want to hear it?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Any the movie there in the groove, you said, Jay said,
it is actually about two communities coming together. Joel, talk
more about it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean I believe that that is also a reading,
that's also a not unfair reading.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yes, please, Joel No, I think the very.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Basic like jeneric reading is like this kid thinks differently,
and that's really beautiful and it really opens can.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We don't have to kill them, we can use slaves.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Jason's like maybe death is bad and being I'm not
saying that, and they do have and and he and
to listen and again tooth listen, Hiccup have a they
do have a very loving relation and loving relationship where
they love the relationship they.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Have the Hiccup wounded him.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And then I'm just saying the rest of the dragons,
for the crew, it's a little we get into like
a murky ethical.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Area considering that they were.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Released very quickly through that actually directly from dungeons and
like put to put to war fighting.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm sorry, but continue, Joelle No.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
You know I actually have the the esteemed privilege of
having spoken to Aaron separately and then you guys separately
and knowing your takes and they are oceans apart.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Real and tell us what this movie.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I cannot wait for this.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Shots that I am so different from you on this, Jason.
I think before you threw the break, you were like,
go see this movie. I would are you don't just
watch the original. You're not missing any track.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Please continue.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, so one of your I took some notes as
you were talking about. One of the things you said
was everything the live action movie added was an upgrade.
You mean, like the two extra minutes of training sequence
just sling. Yeah, but doesn't look amazing. Yeah, so I
do think that yossified How to Train Your Dragon looks better.
(18:42):
The dragons, the dragons, The dragons amazing. The dragons look amazing. Hiccup, Hiccup,
what's it? Hiccup looks like Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Too hot? Too hot? You've got your crush on this
young man, he lied. I was actually I had had
rumor that you had this feeling. I was actually feeling
for this kid, because Hiccup in the original is like
very generic, like he's got a completely even face. He's
just like a right like this guy, this Hiccup. They
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spend like fifteen minutes early on in the movie lighting
him to be like make sure you know he's got
a big nose, like look at that nose, Like they
were like trying to make him look uglier. He was
no like yasified. I think you just have a crush
on him.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Also, I would just to lightly push back and then
I'll let you continue. His dad stood like the vast
stoke Jerry Butts. This guy's chest is twenty feet wide.
He looks like he's eight and a half feet tall
in his armor. He's a massive guy, and you're meant
to buy contrast, say, God, I wonder if Hiccup can
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live up to the intense masculinity that Jerry Butch is
putting down on a daily base. Look at that beard,
Look at those muscles, Look at that helmet.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
You know anyway, Yes, for as for as hot as
Hiccup was, Gerard Butler looks like ship. His wig was
so bad. When when he comes out of the water
and his wig is all wet, he's so bad.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
My main care.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
And hey, and I love I love Dead of Thieves
as much as the next guy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So like I'm a Butler fan. I will say.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The one thing that this one I do think added
from the original was the Gerard Butler monologue to rally
the troops and get everyone, this is why we have
to go look for the nest and and they do
this great thing where he goes to the first Viking
and you know, you got all this glory because you
killed the dragon. You may have lost your limb, but
like you did all this great work, and now you
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the Asian Viking. Okay, you can't go far away. You
don't get to have a line. You just came from
far away, all right, and moving like what a dumb scene.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I hated that.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I thought that like completely ground everything to a halt.
I will say, Toothless look great. I think in the
animated I felt like Toothless was very cat coated, but
in this one, Toothless felt more like a dog.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well though I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I thought it was like sixty five percent dog thirty
five percent excuse me, sixty five percent cat thirty five
percent dog. Like the scratching was dog, but like obviously
everything else, the face, the growling was cat.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yes, but yeah, I I walked out of this and
I was pretty disappointed. I feel like the original was
better and this didn't add a new take on stuff,
like you were saying, you know, there's beat for beat.
You know, Toothless chained up on the boat guiding them
(21:53):
to the dragons, like they didn't need to change how
that happened, but there were things that could have been
a different read on it or something. I thought the
dad going in and saving toothless was less effective in
this than it was in the animated Again, maybe at
this point it's deep enough into the movie that I
have just like kind of I'm on I'm on the
back foot, and I'm not as happy with it already.
(22:16):
But this just feels like a band like went recorded
their favorite album and like words slightly Taylor.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Taylor made like several billion dollars exactly that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, I do think, I mean, it's an interesting Joe,
I'll tell us that thread. I do think it's a
really interesting approach to filmmaking. Like I think some people
sort of view animation as like a big part of it,
just storyboarding. It's like really going through and getting these
story beats and so to have like made this entire
animated film and then you're not you're definitely not adapting it.
(22:47):
You are remaking it just in live action. I found
it kind of incredible, especially because it's the same director
coming back to his work like so many years later.
I thought, I will say, if I have like one
tick e tacky thing about it. Sometimes I thought the
frames were too much like an animated frame as opposed
to what you would shoot for a live action, Just
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the way some of the times the characters entered there's
a hiccups walking. He's in sillow wet at one point,
and it's very flat when like if you pushed your
horizon not in the center, as we learned from Spielberg,
you would have had a much more interesting shot. So
there was.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Just learned from.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He learned from forward. Yeah, yes, the religious John to
Spielberg would also say, like.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I will add my two cents of what I didn't like,
just because we're here. There were only actually like two
sequences that I felt like they must have done reshoots on,
and it was when they were in because the whole movie,
I was kind of blown away by how unvolume me
it looked. And I think that is why it appealed
to me so much. It looked so much better than
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like no ninety percent of like big budget like NU
style movies. I felt like there was so much life
and texture and real beautiful locations and this I felt
like that generally the CGI and and like obvious screen
screen was pretty, you know, unnoticeable, pretty seamless. There was
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the scene when Hiccup and Astrid are in the northern lights.
I felt like that suddenly just took us to being
in like a weird TV show that had like no budget.
I don't know what happened with the lighting. I don't
know if it was the flatness.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It was completely.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Random and it they just didn't light it was very supernatural,
invite them properly to give them like the full kind
of beautiful wholeness. And then there was like one other
scene when it was only like both of these scenes
are like five ten seconds of the movie, but like
the other there was another one with Astrid where they'd
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clearly done a similar reshoot where it was just suddenly
it was like but it was really wild because up
until then I was like, this is gonna be one
of the best looking, like big budget movies. And I'm
gonna say something as well, this is a I guess
we're gonna get into this next. But kind of like
the conversation of like is it a remake? Is it
an adaptation? Like I've seen a lot of people be like,
(25:18):
this is a great movie, but it didn't need to
be made, and I'm like, guys, I got a terrible
things to tell you. Welcome to the history of Hollywood.
Do you know how many versions of a fucking Star
Is born? There? There are like fucking four versions of
a Star Is Born?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Like you don't dream Works is trying to become the
new Disney.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Not just that, this is throughout history, throughout Hollywood history.
This is what happens is they go back and they
remake movies and they redo the same story and they
you know, there's fifty versions of snow White because that
is an out of license story. There are, you know,
so many different fairy tale stories. There are so many
(25:57):
Westerns that are basically beat for beat the same thing.
So I think that when a movie is made, which
in Aaron's opinion like this movie is not good, then
you do ask those questions. For me, I thought this
movie was beautiful enough. It's been like eleven years, and
you know what I feel like this is gonna introduce.
For example, Isaiah had not seen the original, but he
(26:18):
loved this. He'd watch the TV shows and he felt
like this just like supplanted that and he was so
excited to go back and check.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Out the original he's only seen the TV shows and
not the original movie.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He's gonna go see it. But what I'm saying is
that what I'm saying is that is gonna be There's
gonna be a whole generation of kids like that who
were gonna get to experience this for the first time,
like so many of us did with remakes of other stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And I think plus, a whole new theme park just
opened up.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that's the real The thing that I find interesting
is I want to talk to whoever it was who
understood the kind of insane fandom that this had that
they could build an entire park off it and do
another remake, because look, on, I know that this is
a popular movie, but I didn't know this was like
(27:08):
a you can build a multi billion dollar theme park
and do a new movie. But now that I've seen
the new movie and I've seen images of the theme park,
which apparently is the best, if not one of the
best lad Good, I get it, Like I want to
spend more time in this world. So I just I
I do think that the notion of like remakes are
(27:30):
unneeded becomes a question of quality, because that is just
the history of like Hollywood and entertainment in general. It
say it's always going to be a sequel, there's always
going to be a remake. But I think that compared
to like ninety percent, if not more, of the Disney ones,
this to me felt like, oh yeah, I mean when
I rewatched How to Train Your Dragon, it's amazing and
(27:50):
it is obviously like the original. The animated vision is gorgeous,
but I was like, but I also do I would
like to be in the cinema watching this and feeling
like I'm flying through the ad with toothless, which you can't.
You don't feel like that in the anime ad version.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I will say, I think that the I think the
for me, what this remake, adaption whatever do well is
it doesn't try as I think some of the Disney ones,
many of the Disney ones try to do, which is
create this entirely new, hyper real aesthetic.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yes, this is very cost to any movie.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that turns into this kind of surreal, uncanny valley
feeling thing that has an entire visual language that I one,
I find it really hard to emotionally connect to, and
two it feels as real as it is, it almost
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feels like more fakes sometimes and I think that they,
in my in my view, smartly took what worked and.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Kind of transitioned it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
To the live action space in terms of character design,
in terms of detailing, in terms of you know, how
the characters look, in terms of shots, in terms of lighting.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think I think, Rosie, you're exactly right that the
need to be made argument is basically just say you
don't like it and let's move on, like, because none
of this shit needs.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
To be made.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's the nature of like all of Hollywood is like,
guess what, guys, I'm gonna tell you something. Roger and Eba,
you know what, they were saying they didn't need to
make seven Friday the Thirteenth movies. They didn't even need
to make one, but guess yeah. So I think it's
a constant conversation. But I think that because Aaron is
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here and I believe he is the only one out
of the three of us who's seen it. Aaron, let's
get your take on another controversial live action remake recently,
because we did recently have the Lelo and Stitch live
action remake, which did it inspired a lot of different conversations.
There was a lot of discourse about it. There was
a lot of feelings in the Native Hawaiian community about it,
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and there was also millions and millions of dollars made
at the box office because for certain families it was
the perfect movie. So, Aaron, what were your feelings on
Leelo and Stitches live action film?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
So I will again acknowledge up top you already mentioned it,
but there were a lot of things that people were
upset about with this live action remake. Adaptation whatever you
want to do, and there were some particular changes both
the story as well as character characters that were just
completely cut out for your film, yep, and so some
people were unhappy with that. I thought that this felt
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like as opposed to How to Treat Your Dragon, which,
to be fair, I did enjoy. I just enjoyed the
animated more and I felt like Leelo and Stitch the
live action added something and gave us a nice little
deeper view into certain parts of the movie that we
didn't get in the animated And again animated is older.
There are a lot different things that are happening in
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Disney at that time and what they can do. But
for instance, I liked the character changes they did, so
they split mister Bubbles from being this like secret agent
also social worker into a social worker and a secret agent,
so there are two separate characters, and that just made
more sense to me. And I liked that the social
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worker was Hawaiian. It was in fact Tia who was
Nanny in the original, and she comes back in the
live action to play the social worker, which I loved.
And in the live action I didn't miss gone to
that much, like it was cool the kids missed God.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I had a kid tell me yesterday at a graduation party.
She was like, yeah, I really liked it, but where
I was gone to? And then also, I will say,
the kids are upset about the lack of cross dressing.
I've had multiple people say that they actually little kids
be like why wasn't that character allowed to dress like
a go now?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
And I didn't they fight over who gets to wear
the wig when they're falling asleep, and like, yeah, there's yeah,
I get that. I just liked I didn't need Jumba
to have a to get fixed and like change their tune,
because we already have that with Leelo and Stitch. We
don't need everyone in the movie to be redeemed like
I'm totally fine with just the main characters getting redeemed.
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And I loved the you know, the the writer is
Hawaiian as well, and the screenwriter and he meant he
made a point to say, like I wanted to make
a change that if this happened in real life, it
the Hawaii I come from, would not have these two
girls left on their own. The community would come together.
And so I loved that their auntie comes in, their neighbor,
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becomes part of their family in the same way that like,
you know, family is not just blood relatives. We all
have close friends who are found family. We all have
family friends who were not directly related to who become
essential parts of your family. That's who their auntie, Amy Hill.
She becomes their family and she takes Leelo. So it's
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not just it's not you know, you know, Nannie gives
Leelo up to the state and never sees her again.
She lives like in the same house with her auntie
who lives next door. That's the most like, I don't know,
heartwarming way that that could have gone. Sure get rid of,
like why does she have to go to college in
the States as opposed to on Hawaii that's.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
A famously great marine biology is in Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I just have to say, but I'm not gonna let
one sentence ruin the movie for me, Like there was
a lot in that I really enjoyed, and I thought
Nanni was fleshed out a lot more and I got
a much bigger sense of like her hopes and dreams
were important, and when they lost their parents, she was
impacted in a way that wasn't just now I have
to take care of my sister. It was I had
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always wanted to do this and I don't get to
now because my parents passed away, and so and there's
this great scene I thought it was great where they're
talking about her.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Are you going to go scene for scene and tell
us about this love this movie so much.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I also just want to say, guys, I.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Know the credits when I loved about the font with
the credits as the.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Rule, I do want to say. I do want to say, guys,
as there was Yes, that is where a lot of
the conversation was about, and I do understand as well.
I want to say that I do think it is
absolutely fair for people to watch a movie made by
a multi billion dollar American company like Disney and to
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read the change in the ending as essentially like at
best not thoughtful and at worst as propaganda, which is
when there is such a conversation about like a Native
children being taken away from their parents. And also, but
I do think that something and this is another interesting
conversation I think to have about live action adaptations, especially
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when it's something like Lelo and Stitch, which the original
movie was not a huge smash hit and became one
over VHS. Lelo and Stitch the original movie hat because
of the lack of kind of oversight it, it did
get to make statements that to a lot of people
I think ended up feeling radical, even if that wasn't
the intention. Even though a lot of the movie was
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made by white.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
People, and I have seen and starred white people. Let's
let's be open about that.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah. And also I will say there was also issues
in this movie that Nanni is not played by a
Native Hawaiian actress. And so I think like it's a
very interesting conversation in this case because I think Lelo
and Stitch acted as one of those movies where it
was an unexpected finding representation where you can and people
hold it very dear and there are generations of people
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who grew up with it on VHS, and I also
think that is going to be a very hard thing
to translate, whereas something like How to Train Your Dragon
is pretty much a beat for beat remake, and you're
just like, hey, this is a really gorgeous upgraded version
that isn't some shitty upscaled Ai four K remaster. This
is like a re envisioning. Yeah, it's like and I
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think that's the difference. And I think that's why the
conversations kind of talk.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
About that, because what is it what works and what
doesn't work for us in a live action remake?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Aaron like, what is.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
What are the things that for you make a live
action remake essential or additive?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And what are the things that don't work for you?
And when is it?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
So I think I think about it like when you
see a band perform live, you've listened to the album
and you hear the song that they've done recorded. When
you when they do it live, you want a different
sort of energy, whether that be they are changing up
bits of the song they're they're doing, you know, different
interpretations of sections of the songs. I like things that
are you already know the original. Let me give you
(36:54):
another take on this. Yeah, And so that's why I
think in a live action remake, adaptation, and I want
something that gives me. I don't want to have it
be seen for see from what I've already watched. And
so I think that's for me. I want, like, I
want some changes, and I think that that is how
I view seeing a continuation of the story Joelle.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, I think it's like anything that's happening in a franchise. Now,
you don't need to justify why the film needs be made,
but you do need to make a good film. So
I'm open to films that have changes in are reinterpreting characters,
especially if it's been a long time. But you know,
we can look to snow White and see what happens
when you do that poorly, when you're not updating for
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the time period, when you're not interacting.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Oh, you.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Understand it completely. You just read the assignment and a
train X. And so I just think for me, like
I'll say, up until I have dun your Dragon, and
I haven't seen le Loan Stitch yet, I have not
liked the remakes. The only one I thought was worth
the Damaged Jungle Book, which again is more yeah wonder
(38:04):
One remake. But if they're going to continue to exist,
which it seems like, I mean, Leon's just making this
most money and what we imagine is going to happen
with How to Train Your Dragon, then at least like
to me, like the casting of How To Train Your
Dragon is so freaking phenomenal, Like everybody really understood the
assignment of their character and you feel very connected to them.
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And that's really what I'm looking for, especially on the
Disney Train, like we come for the characters. I want
to see them in the parks. I want their outfits,
I want them on T shirts. Give me an interesting
perspective on these characters.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I was very happy to see Julian Dennison. I don't
think he gets enough work legendary making the movie. I
thought he was really fun. That character is barely good
anything in the originally the I will also say I
thought that they did a good job of like making
those characters still still feel as like weird and kind
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of cartoony as they are. Okay, I want to talk
about this too, because when we were prepping this episode
in this stock, let's talk about that because because Aaron
wants changes, Joelle's open to either what do you guys
think about, Like, how do you define something like Maleficent,
which follows the same plot points as Sleeping Beauty but
from a completely different perspective, essentially creating a different movie
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and recasting a character in a different phrase, to something
like How to Train Your Dragon, which is a direct
kind of remake, like almost like a shot for shot
like Psycho Gus Van Samins Psycho remake, but like some
doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Something like Maleficent is not a live action remake. It
is a completely different story a la Wicked.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yes, okay, I like the Wicked comparison.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That even though there is kind of a let's say,
like loose similarity between the story arcs, the fact that
you're in another character's shoes is so upending to the
original story, Like it is a completely different perspective, a
different story, a different protagonist, and therefore I think it
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is I think something like that is not a.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm classify that as a franchise expander, giving more death
on your specific in the way that I don't want
to reference.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Those movies franchise expansion.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I like that which I can appreciate. You know, I
love a world in diving in and exploring, but I
do kind of hope we continue to find ways to
like engage and like for me, like Scar, the Moufasa
like movie should have been the Scar movie. I'm like,
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what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Like we have?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Mufasa has a perfect arc in the original Lion King.
If you're going to and and stop doing it with
animals until we can figure out what to do with
the mouths, it just stop.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Also, okay, I want to talk about let's talk about
Lion k slash Mafasa because can those even count as
live action if they're completely CG. I think that is
still an animated movie. I have.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I I agree with you. I do.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
It's tough because both of the two movies we talked
about earlier, Lelo and Stitch and How to Train Your
Dragon feature very prominent fully.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
CG.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
This is.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Exactly I'm gonna so. I'm gonna tell you this is
my spiciest take that I think that and it's very
like it's a it's not particularly spicy, but I do
think it's I think all of these movies should be
considered essentially like Roger Rabbit esque, like animated live action
kind of combo movies, and I actually think that that
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would maybe interest people more if we spoke about them
like that. But I also think that it's tough because
people then would start to wonder about like every live
action movie you see now that has like heavily CG characters,
So that would basically like quantum Is that essentially the
same thing? Yeah, basically. But I mean I think that
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there's something interesting about the way that live action and
CG are used together in these movies, and I think
that's something that should actually be like interestingly, you know,
having a conversation about Ian, don't bring up Robert zemeachis
in this conversation that that insane dead eyed man like
the Polar Express. That's one of the scariest movies I've
(42:27):
ever seen, man, But you know, I watch it every
year at Christmas. I still love it. Bear Wolf, he
was doing this before anyone else, honestly, so we can't
we can't take that away from him. Okay, So I'm
gonna tell you guys, this is my the first live
action Disney animated movie that they made, the animated remake
that they made, like this live action remake of an
animated film, I should say was Pete's Dragon. Right now,
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I'm like a number one Pete Dragon Superstan. I love
the original movie, which was an animated live action kind
of hybrid. But the movie, I think this is actually
where they went wrong because the Pete Dragon movie is
essentially a completely different story. The original Pete's Dragon is
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very whimsical. It's very much in that kind of Mary
Poppins space. It's also super like Stoner coded Puff the
Magic Dragon, like weird.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
We say seventies.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, very seventies, like
whoa spiraling out? But it has kind of similar vibes,
which is like kid Left by Himself Dragon. That movie
is directed by David Lowry. It has Bryce, Alice Howard,
It has Wes Bentley, It has Carl Urban as Una
Lawrence has Robert Redford. The movie is so gorgeous and
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basically is about found family and about the freedom of
found family and about the dangers of the state getting
involved with found family. And I thought it was fantastic,
and it was made for sixty five million dollars and
it made one hundred and forty three million dollars. But
I think post that they were like, well, we want
these movies to make a billion dollars. We want I
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think that David Lowry was allowed to make this movie
because it was the first in a trial period. But
I'm like, this is where we should be going. We
should be doing weirder old Disney movies that people have
not really seen. I'll tell you what I would make
a remake of doesn't need any animation. There's a really
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weird Jody Foster movie where she is clearly she's like twelve,
and she's clearly a lesbian feet who goes into an
old man's house to steal all his goods. It's called Candlewick.
Ten out of ten remake that shit. Like Disney has
such a weird history of like animation and just strange
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movies in general, and I think leaning into the strains.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
We Cauldron, live Action Wears Please.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
That's what I am talking about, like movies that maybe
didn't hit at the time but then were able to
find their kind of wow Iam Page masterymake. I would
watch it.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I try. I'm not prepared.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I love that movie. But yeah, like I think the
conversation of what is animation, what is live action? It's
so blurred nowadays that it becomes like a hard conversation
to have because MCU movies are you know, fifty percent
if not more in something like ant Man in Quantitmania volume,
what does that really add to it? So it's an
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interesting space and an interesting conversation. But I also think
that the almost like the semantics of it end up
just kind of like you missed the fact of as
the movie.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
If I can bring a ridiculous hard rule to it,
I think if we have, I think.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I love a ridiculous hard rule avatar.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
I do, I really do, because it's in the details.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
It's important.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
I classify as a live action because they shoot all
of it, like the act being there that.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
The reforms to move through it and they're like everybody
in it's a lot of mo cap okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Jungle Book is a live action movie. The live action
remake of Jungle Book has a kidney. All of that
is staged and moved around it behind the scenes. A
Lion King is an animated movie.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, because the lion is not a single real thing
in it.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
That's that's my dividing line. If there's at least one
real person and they had stage and set it up
and shoot with real like, you know, actually shooting something
and not creating with in the computer. Then live action.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, okay, let's go to a break, and then we
can come back and talk about our best and worst
live action animated remakes or franchise expanders or whatever else
do you want to pull, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Okay, let's talk about our best live action remakes, our
favorite live action remakes or expanders or whatever you want
to call it. Let's start, Joelle, let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Okay, I'm gonna go and start real controversial one hundred
and one Dalmatians with Glenn Close.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I love that is such.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Isn't it kind of funny that when we were kids
we didn't even think about that wasn't a terminology for it.
We were just like, yeah, of course you would remake.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
This, Yes, Glenn Close and fabulous outfits, being as wild
and crazy as she wants to be. There's some crazy
production design in there, and incind about the soundtracks that slaps.
One hundred and one Dalmatians got me into jazz as
a child, really lovely. And then I would say, do
you want just do best and worst.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, just do Best and West want to be I'm
gonna be real. There's not a lot of good ones.
It's like a hundred movies, and maybe they're not great.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, I am gonna say Mulan because it misses everything.
It didn't get the historical like recreation right, it didn't
get the things we loved about the original animation right.
It's a hot mess. No one seemed to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Nobody who's like no bisexuality.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Like excited about it. I think Mulan is an interesting
historical figure that should have many great movies.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
And I've had many great Chinese movies.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yes, and I think Disney just really really dropped the
ball on Mulan.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, Aaron, Best and West, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
This is cheating.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Can I say the Flintstones for best? Or is that
not you can?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I'm sorry Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I think for the best, it's great. For the worst.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
I feel bad because I haven't actually seen the entire thing.
But Aladdin, I just I'm.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Badly unnecessary pop song that made me would have rip
my eyes out. I said, what have you done to Ali? Insanity?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah? Not not not, not great.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
I could go on. I could I forgot about whatever?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I think I'm I love the kind of I love
that these are spreading beyond because I do think Aaron,
I think you make a great point with flint Stones.
I think that's definitely one of the really really legendary
ones and also comes from that era before there were
enough movies that we were having to have conversations about
whether these are live action adaptations or remaates or whatever.
I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick Peach
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Dragon as my best because I do watch that movie
a lot. I own it on Blu Ray. I think
it's beautiful. It breaks my heart every time I watch
it. It's got a great soundtrack. I will say, I'm gonna say,
but my, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna skip
Peach Dragon. I already shouted out, I'm gonna say, you
know what I'm gonna say right now. Recently Bias How
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to Train Your Dragon. It was really brilliant. I loved it.
It made me. When I got home, I immediately rewatched
the original because I wanted to recapture the feeling I
had in the movie theater and it's a Nico Parker
as Astrod. It's a Nico Parker vehicle, the one she deserves,
and it will make me less bad about picking my
worst live action adaptation. Kind of not really, I guess
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we would say this is a franchise expander. Dumbo director
by Timber.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
It's so bad, Timothy.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Take them away. He made that. He made frickin' both
the Alison Wondler again, Yes, you don't want to hear
it there. Dumbo should have been Dumbo should have been
like really fantastic and weird, but it was not. It
was just a bad movie. And you know what. That
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was another thing I was struck by with How to
Train Your Dragon and Pete Dragon also has this issue,
which is why I guess I kind of knocked it
off in the end. These Disney adaptations, live action remakes whatever,
they really meander like often you're watching them and you're like,
where is that straight through like story that grabbed me
in the original animation? We have to now make it
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two hours and fourty minutes long. Dumbo drugs are that
How To Train Your Dragon does not. That is a breezy, frickin' movie,
Like you just feel like you're on the adventure. So
I think those will be my current twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
You know, it's notable picks. It's notable to me that
like in terms of live action remakes, Disney has been
at this a while. You mentioned one Dalmatians from ninety
six with Gone Close and Jeff Daniels, and then it's
really not until like twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen
when you get this glut and nothing from the glut
is good. Almost nothing from the glut is it's just
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too much. There is stuff throwing it thickle.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Reconsideration of Cinderella, I will say I seen Young gen Z.
It's made by Kenneth Browner. If you like a traditional
kind of fairytale story doesn't have music, is great, interesting,
actually very interesting. And Angelina Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
But again those were the only two, like it was,
those were the only two of that, you know, twenty
fourteen you get Molesticent and Cinderella the previous with Sorcerer's
Apprentice from twenty ten and then so so it's this
big space and then you enter into like post Beauty
and the Beast. It's like twenty seventeen Beauty and the Beast.
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Christopher Robinson twenty eighteen, Dumbo twenty nineteen, Aladdin twenty I
want to ask you this, Rosie, where do we is?
Is Pete's Dragon truly a live action remake? When I
would argue the amount of the balance of animation exactly
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live action? Correct, this is basically the same from that.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
I think that you make a good point. I was
actually kind of just thinking and saying about this, like,
I think if it was up to me, I would
kind of be promoting all of these as those old
movies were promoted as Roger Rabbit was promoted as these
kind of combo like, look what we can do. But
obviously the idea of CG is it's supposed to be
so seamless. So no, I think that's very fair. I don't.
I think the reason that Pete Dragon is so wonderful
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is because it doesn't necessarily fit into a lot of
the trappings and tropes, and David Lowry was given a
lot of freedom. That and Green Knight are like a
really great weird forest they double bill. Yeah, but it's true.
I'm interested. I will say I do as somebody who
has a lot of friends who love romance and who
love like historical romantic fiction. The Little Mermaid has a
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huge fan base in that space. There's a huge fan
art fan base for it. There is also a huge
there's yeah, and there's a huge fan base for the
fact that it is a very traditional happily ever after
and it has this kind of very almost like Renaissance
esthetic where you get to see these two people fall
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in love. I've seen I've seen the movie. I thought that, uh,
is it was it Hailey who is in that movie? Yes,
Hailey Berry. Yeah, she's fantastic. And I thought that the
movie was was like, you know, interesting. That again meandered.
But I will say that's another one where from just
being online, I've realized that there is a huge kind
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of emotional and fan response to it, which I'm interested
to see if that continues. But these I think for
the amount that there has been, if you really look
at the Bangers, quality is not the point here, Like
the point is making money off nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I think in particular, Disney made a big, big bet
coming off of, you know, being high on their own
MCU supply like oh we've gary, we've figured it out,
we know what to do, and now we're just gonna
bet big on this thing, and.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Frankly it just didn't work. It just didn't, you know what.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
But it's made them a lot of money, so I
think that is from that sense, yes, it's been very successful.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay, my uh best and worst, I'm gonna go with Paddington.
The Paddington series adapted from the original BBC like the
less choice paper animation and stop motion animation which was
so charming and delightful, but like when you watch it
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now feels they're eleven year olds that are probably making
better like stop motion than this right now with their
like computers. And I think that the Paddington. I just
love the Paddington movies, like even the even when it's
not that great, they're great and the pat and Paddington
looks wonderful. He's so like a motive and charming. I
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could stare into his eyes and he's fantastic. I love
that they did the exact same thing from the origin,
from the Paddington books and from the Paddington original animator,
where it's like this bear is here, we don't question it.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
It makes perfect sense. He's hand now walking around.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
He's here now, and he's walking around, He's interacting with everybody,
and it's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Worst fuck There's so much to choose from, but I'm
gonna go with Pinocchio twenty two.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Oh my god, how did we not talk about this?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, it's like, is this.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
An snl skit? Like, what's happening this movie?
Speaker 3 (56:40):
I could not believe it. There is a scene in
this movie and it's you know, I do rag on myself.
You know, I think a fair amount for how much
my Easter egg hunting, uh, you know, kind of had
a ripple effect on the impact of things. And I
hate to imagine that I even played point five percent
of the fact that in this movie there is an
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entire wall of clocks that Geppetto made and every single
one is a fucking Easter egg to a different Disney movie.
And I was like, no, do not do this. Nobody
wants this, Nobody wants to write an article about every
fifty No, no, no. And it wasn't Tom Tom Hanks
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his weirdest action.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Like sure his accent sucks thet.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
And so much worse by the fact that Del Toro
releases a stunning animated like Pinocchio.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
What months later if I recall literally in the same Yeah, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
I was flabbergas. I was like, Doesny you have to
be so embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
By this.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
And the and the way that the live action elements
in the CGI elements meet is social and cold feeling,
like yes, yes, I mean none of the magic of
the original is transmitted to this one.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
It is bad.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I also I hate it.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
I'm like, I also do wanna I want to like
add another worst I'm on the Disney Live Action Reimaginings
franchise page on IMDb, which I guess is kind of
how they looking at all the worldwide openings. But you
know which one. I don't necessarily think this counts because
it's not adapting something that was originally animated, but they
(58:36):
do include it in here. Oz the Great and Powerful
hated that ship just make Wicked Wicked was already out
like the book. You could have just adapted Wicked hated It.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
Made the douchey wizard it sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
And then the Wicked the Witch is evil because like
he didn't want to date her, Like, come the fuck on,
this is a lesbian story again, Okay, Aaron dishonorable mention, Yes,
please an official hater.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Ghost in the Shell. I don't I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's one of the ass Yes, exactly out.
Speaker 6 (59:06):
Of here Scarlett and Emma Untilda and that our favorite
Asian movie stars.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
Okay, wait, Aaron, you were going to call in a
boot bringing.
Speaker 6 (59:15):
It a boo just he mentioned in the chat that
he that Aladdin was bad, but he enjoyed how fun
it was, so like.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Okay, please please stand there. I love a stand for absolutely.
Speaker 4 (59:31):
There's a whole parade scene that is literally a whole
way in like behind the Disney line. It looks so
it's five walk away. They're like, that's the parade.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Oh okay. I think Ian has actually come in in
my opinion with the winner, and you should probably leave
it on this because he put the new Chip and
Dale was really good. Movie is fucking amazing. It's so funny,
it has ugly sonic in it. It's honestly like one
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of the best. Also, I love like bootleg Disney movies.
There's a director called Orlando Karate who made a lot
of bootleg kind of anime esque like Japanese American co production,
Japanese Talian co productions in like the eighties and nineties.
They'll be like Cinderella's Trip to the Ball and they
are like so bad and I'm obsessed with them, And
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that is essentially the plot of Chippindale.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Also a big LA movie, like just if you love
It on the City of La. It's really fun.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Definitely, Yeah, great Coolly and I am like, you gotta
come on here next time because you won all of
our picks.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, I think we where we've landed is live action movies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Just make a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Just make a good one. It's a little care where
it comes from or when it's a down to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Just do it about it. Just do it movie.
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Cue the bagpipes. Today's episode contains spoilers for How to
Train Your Dragon, the live action remake, but of course,
also the first installment of the original animated movie. Jason
(00:30):
Soon and I'm Mersey Night and welcome back to X
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Where We're for you, three episodes a week every Tuesday Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
There's in today's episode, we are giving you our review
of the live action movie How to Train Your Dragon?
Ever heard of it? It's a part of it. It's
a live action remake of an animated classic, which is
going to inspire a round table conversation asking is it
(01:04):
a live action remake or an adaptation? Oh baby, I'm
sure that's gonna get spicy, and we will also be
talking about the future of live action remakes. But bust,
let's talk about it. Jason, me and you. What do
we think about this movie?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Let's do it?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, we have recently seen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
The live action remake of How to Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
A wonderful truly. You called it a classic. I believe
it is. And it's also it contains or has what
I think is a very underrated soundtrack. Now, yes, yes,
some people are gonna say, well, the soundtrack was nominated
for an Oscar.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was, but it didn't win.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Still, I feel like it's not one that people talk
about in the same way they talk about, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
The Star Wars or Inception, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
It's a it's a wonderful soundtrack by John Powell, and
let's talk about what did you think of how to
How to Train Your Dragons?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Yes, I thought it was really, really enjoyable. I actually
decided to wait till after I watched it to rewatch
the animated one so I could kind of go in and.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Enjoy it.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Obviously. We sat together with my friend Isaiah and my
eleven year old review guy that I bring with me,
who saw Minecraft. Yeah, I thought it was really great.
I was actually kind of blown away by how good
the casting was, how wonderful, unbelievable casting. Everybody is just
one hundred percent committed. I was very moved by the score,
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especially the kind of like flight test flying with a
toothless score that they use as a theme throughout every
single time. That would just be like crying every single
It's it's so passed thrilling. Yeah, and we, I mean
(03:05):
we both talked about this after straight after when we
were at the cinema, But I was blown away by,
for the most part, how unbelievable this movie look, not
only the aerial stuff, the landscape, how they make the
dragons feel so real in a live action space, how
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they light the characters to kind of make them look
more cartoony but still very much in this kind of
I really felt like they did a great job with that,
especially with Hiccup. They constantly light his face to look
anime character.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
I love.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
I love the casting of his I love the casting
of Astrid Nico Parker. Big fan of her here. I
think this is the first role she's really gotten to
like showcase her kind of not only obviously there's a
lot of like kind of stunt prowess in this, but
just generally like her charm, her kind of. This is
the first great movie that I've seen her in. She
was most recently seen in another like to me, in
(04:04):
another movie that I'm sure we'll talk about, Dumbo, far
less successful live action adaptation. In my opinion, Yeah, I
just thought it was really really good. There were actually
multiple moments here to do with how good the movie looked,
the feeling of it that were giving like the original
kind of loath to throw back to them nowadays, but
(04:28):
they made me feel like when I was a kid
first watching the Harry Potter movies. There was moments here
where I felt like this could be an epic franchise
for kids. Cinematography beautiful, Jared Butler amazing.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
I'm a G buts lover.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I love the g he love We love the G butts.
He rarely gets to be in any big movies like this.
He is definitely more of a B movie guy, an
action guy, a straight terme video guy. But I thought
he was so fun here. I thought the costume design
was fantastic, and really I was just I just thought
it was. It was really really great. How about you.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
I I loved it.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
I found it comforting and thrilling all at the same time.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Great way I thought the I thought it was a
wonderful you know.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
They They were so loyal really to the original story,
same director obviously, Oh yeah, and.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
When I would be.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
And but everything that they added in the everything that
live action added was an upgrade, which I thought was
that's how you do it. When you talked about the
aerial stuff, I mean it can't be talked about enough
about how I mean it's powerful. I could watch a
two hour super cut of just the flying scenes. It
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looks amazing. It captures the thrill and the energy and
the dynamism, the excitement of what it must be like
to be, you know, riding Toothless around this incredible.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You really do feel like you are having that experience.
We got to see it in IMAX, and it really
does feel like the rush. This is a movie where
maybe I would go and see it in forty X.
I want to think about in my hair. I want
to feel like I'm riding the spray, Yeah the cinema,
(06:26):
what the ocean spray?
Speaker 1 (06:28):
And I you know they didn't they understood, don't change
what is broken, like this character design for not just
the human characters in the live action adaptation, like the hair,
you know Hiccup's hair is they styled it somehow the
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same from how to the animated.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
That is really true. I was quite blown away by
that when I watched, I was white impressed.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then also, you know, Toothless.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
I don't know what of the character assets they took
from the animated version, or how they scaled that up
and improved it and you know, improved the textures, but
it it doesn't look as if they ripped Toothless from How.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
To Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
It looks like they took everything that was there and
just added more detail, but didn't lose that feel, that
animated feel, so that there were times where I had
to remind myself that I wasn't watching Toothless from yeah
animated version like it was.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
It was a seamless sless and that is a critique
some people have sometimes, right, but like I and at
the beginning of the film, which opens the exact same
way as the original film, they show Buck and they
do change the the voice O very little bit, but
they show but and he's showing his home, and in
my head I had like the cynical voice was like, oh, yeah,
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you're completely cgi home, Like it's clear. But then once
you start getting into the village and you can see
the practical nature of it, I was. I just thought
it looked so good and also as well, I was.
I was kind of blown away. And I do think
that it is focused on something I really liked about
the live action movie versus the animated movie is they
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gave some of the scenes like time to breathe in
the live action one that they don't get in the original.
When I rewatched the original, I basically felt like I
was speed running the movie because things happened really really.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Fast, and I guess the emotional turns even are really
really fa exactly.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
And something that kind of came across in my opinion,
like really strongly in this version is how it's like
kind of a movie about like adaptive technology and like
disability and like accept invisibility, and that begins with Toothless
and kind of the film ends with you know, Hiccup,
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and and honestly, like you know, my biggest critique would
be like, couldn't you have found someone with an amp
who was an like Cata limb difference, or wasn't amputee
to play like Goober's like the Nick the Nick Frost character,
or couldn't you have found someone to play Hiccup? But
you know what, Hollywood, they never doing that stuff. So
but I did think that the themes were like very
(09:28):
very well and you'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
I will get to that in a moment, because I
mentioned I do have a I love the film. I
continue to love the film, I love the animated series,
but I do have a dark take.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, you go to do it.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
That said, I mentioned that I found this movie comforting,
and it's I love a good kids movie because the
emotions are front and center, but there's also that feeling
of like, hey, you know, when toothless biler, when toothless
is is chained up and harnessed and being forced to
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lead them to.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
The dragon mast.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
As a kid, that's gonna be intense. You're gonna really
a young audience member is going to really feel that.
At the same time, because it's a kid's movie, there's
also that like gentle kind of undertone of hey, it's
gonna work out. It's gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, don't
don't worry about it. And I found that really in
(10:36):
these times, it's a nice, really comforting. It's a nice
feeling of just being like, you know what, don't worry
about it, it's gonna be.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
And also the eleven year old reviewer who also loved
the Minecraft and did did say after see a Minecraft
that was gonna make a lot more money than the
box I said, and he was correct. He was also
a big a big fan in this movie. I think
it was very moving, it was very exciting. There were
even moments when he was kind of scared and it
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was spooky, which I thought they did really well. I
also thought they redesigned the kind of I think in
the original Uh, How to Train Your Dragon the Red Death,
they redesigned him to make them like basically a terrifying Kaiju,
which I loved obviously. And I do feel like we're
going to be in an interesting situation this year of
(11:25):
being able to talk about having like a monster movie summer.
If this does well. I do think it's gonna do well.
I that saying that the film is gonna perform overperform
with sixty five million to seventy five million this for
its opening weekend. I think it's gonna make one hundred million.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I think it might be the high end of that.
I think. I think this is the kind of I
think kids.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Are gonna want to see over.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I love Minecraft, Yes, a love Minecraft. Kids are gonna
want to see it. The older kids who grew up
with the originals are gonna want to see it in
live action, and for an adult, it's a pleasant time
at the movie theater. So I think it's got all
I think it's got all of those things. Here's my
dark tick on this movie and the message of this movie,
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and that includes the original animated version.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes, this is not a new edition. This is definitely
something that is a story. But it really struck me
this time watching it in live action.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Again.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I love this movie, passionately love this movie. Said, this
is a movie. This is a movie about regime change.
This is a movie about a nation who went to
war mistakenly with a culture and a race of beings
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that then tricks or cajoles a small minority of that race,
including several members who had been long imprisoned and enslaved
(13:11):
and potentially brainwashed, into assassinating their nation's leader so that
afterwards they can be put to work by the conquering people.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
That is basically what this story is.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I love this.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Movie, but there is a kind of a dark undertone
of like colonialism and.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Occupation and war and conquering.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
That's kind of like, hey, listen, all we know about
this queen is she's bad. How do we know that
we don't like because she ate a couple of her
subjects and therefore it's totally okay that we take these
prisoners who we have been torturing for a long time
(14:04):
by doing various mock executions in a tournament format for
the entertainment of our town, if we then turn them
loose in order to kill her so that we can
take over this nation and use them as you know,
are construction workers.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I mean that is that basically the same thing? Yeah,
I mean also as well, like let's be real that
we don't actually see the giant Kaiju dragon like do
anything wrong, Like she's.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Just she eats, like she eats one or two of
her subjects, which I am not condoning. I'm just saying
as an outside force, we don't understand the societal dynamic funny.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
As well, because like in the live action when they
were like, you know, she's probably like controlling the don't
listen to them or something, and I'm like, I don't
know if she is, man, I think this is just
like an ecosystem. You can't understand, like she lives in
a giant volcano.
Speaker 4 (15:09):
Giant it's a kids movie.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Therefore, I accept that she was evil. I am just saying,
not a lot of thought.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Goes into that.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Really, I think you're read is like correct and the
truth is right now, it's hard not to look at
things through that lens. And a lot of stories from
you know, fairy tales and obviously I'll Train Your Dragons
adapts from a book, but it's not that old. But
a lot of these kind of kids films they do
intentionally or unintentionally continue ideas of like assimilation or and
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so so. So I think you're right to call this out.
And let's be real. The movie does I mean sorry,
sorry sorry I said, I said just noticing. I mean
I just say you should you you're correct to note it,
to note that it exists. But you know, like they
see this movie, go see it because it is really great.
And then you you can go in the discord and
then we'll go back to lay tank.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
Okay, let's go to another break, and then let's bring in.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
The super producer crew and let's talk about live Actually.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, welcome to the floor, super producers.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
Joelle's superproducer Aaron. How are you folks.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Tickled by e? How do you want to hear it?
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Let's do it.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Any the movie there in the groove, you said, Jay said,
it is actually about two communities coming together. Joel, talk
more about it.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I mean I believe that that is also a reading,
that's also a not unfair reading.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yes, please, Joel No, I think the very.
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Basic like jeneric reading is like this kid thinks differently,
and that's really beautiful and it really opens can.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We don't have to kill them, we can use slaves.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Jason's like maybe death is bad and being I'm not
saying that, and they do have and and he and
to listen and again tooth listen, Hiccup have a they
do have a very loving relation and loving relationship where
they love the relationship they.
Speaker 4 (17:29):
Have the Hiccup wounded him.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
And then I'm just saying the rest of the dragons,
for the crew, it's a little we get into like
a murky ethical.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
Area considering that they were.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Released very quickly through that actually directly from dungeons and
like put to put to war fighting.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm sorry, but continue, Joelle No.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
You know I actually have the the esteemed privilege of
having spoken to Aaron separately and then you guys separately
and knowing your takes and they are oceans apart.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Real and tell us what this movie.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I cannot wait for this.
Speaker 6 (18:06):
Shots that I am so different from you on this, Jason.
I think before you threw the break, you were like,
go see this movie. I would are you don't just
watch the original. You're not missing any track.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Please continue.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
Yeah, so one of your I took some notes as
you were talking about. One of the things you said
was everything the live action movie added was an upgrade.
You mean, like the two extra minutes of training sequence
just sling. Yeah, but doesn't look amazing. Yeah, so I
do think that yossified How to Train Your Dragon looks better.
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The dragons, the dragons, The dragons amazing. The dragons look amazing. Hiccup, Hiccup,
what's it? Hiccup looks like Andrew Garfield.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Too hot? Too hot? You've got your crush on this
young man, he lied. I was actually I had had
rumor that you had this feeling. I was actually feeling
for this kid, because Hiccup in the original is like
very generic, like he's got a completely even face. He's
just like a right like this guy, this Hiccup. They
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spend like fifteen minutes early on in the movie lighting
him to be like make sure you know he's got
a big nose, like look at that nose, Like they
were like trying to make him look uglier. He was
no like yasified. I think you just have a crush
on him.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Also, I would just to lightly push back and then
I'll let you continue. His dad stood like the vast
stoke Jerry Butts. This guy's chest is twenty feet wide.
He looks like he's eight and a half feet tall
in his armor. He's a massive guy, and you're meant
to buy contrast, say, God, I wonder if Hiccup can
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live up to the intense masculinity that Jerry Butch is
putting down on a daily base. Look at that beard,
Look at those muscles, Look at that helmet.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
You know anyway, Yes, for as for as hot as
Hiccup was, Gerard Butler looks like ship. His wig was
so bad. When when he comes out of the water
and his wig is all wet, he's so bad.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
My main care.
Speaker 6 (20:22):
And hey, and I love I love Dead of Thieves
as much as the next guy.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
So like I'm a Butler fan. I will say.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
The one thing that this one I do think added
from the original was the Gerard Butler monologue to rally
the troops and get everyone, this is why we have
to go look for the nest and and they do
this great thing where he goes to the first Viking
and you know, you got all this glory because you
killed the dragon. You may have lost your limb, but
like you did all this great work, and now you
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the Asian Viking. Okay, you can't go far away. You
don't get to have a line. You just came from
far away, all right, and moving like what a dumb scene.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I hated that.
Speaker 6 (21:03):
I thought that like completely ground everything to a halt.
I will say, Toothless look great. I think in the
animated I felt like Toothless was very cat coated, but
in this one, Toothless felt more like a dog.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Well though I thought it was.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
I thought it was like sixty five percent dog thirty
five percent excuse me, sixty five percent cat thirty five
percent dog. Like the scratching was dog, but like obviously
everything else, the face, the growling was cat.
Speaker 6 (21:30):
Yes, but yeah, I I walked out of this and
I was pretty disappointed. I feel like the original was
better and this didn't add a new take on stuff,
like you were saying, you know, there's beat for beat.
You know, Toothless chained up on the boat guiding them
(21:53):
to the dragons, like they didn't need to change how
that happened, but there were things that could have been
a different read on it or something. I thought the
dad going in and saving toothless was less effective in
this than it was in the animated Again, maybe at
this point it's deep enough into the movie that I
have just like kind of I'm on I'm on the
back foot, and I'm not as happy with it already.
(22:16):
But this just feels like a band like went recorded
their favorite album and like words slightly Taylor.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Taylor made like several billion dollars exactly that.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Well, I do think, I mean, it's an interesting Joe,
I'll tell us that thread. I do think it's a
really interesting approach to filmmaking. Like I think some people
sort of view animation as like a big part of it,
just storyboarding. It's like really going through and getting these
story beats and so to have like made this entire
animated film and then you're not you're definitely not adapting it.
(22:47):
You are remaking it just in live action. I found
it kind of incredible, especially because it's the same director
coming back to his work like so many years later.
I thought, I will say, if I have like one
tick e tacky thing about it. Sometimes I thought the
frames were too much like an animated frame as opposed
to what you would shoot for a live action, Just
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the way some of the times the characters entered there's
a hiccups walking. He's in sillow wet at one point,
and it's very flat when like if you pushed your
horizon not in the center, as we learned from Spielberg,
you would have had a much more interesting shot. So
there was.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
Just learned from.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He learned from forward. Yeah, yes, the religious John to
Spielberg would also say, like.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
I will add my two cents of what I didn't like,
just because we're here. There were only actually like two
sequences that I felt like they must have done reshoots on,
and it was when they were in because the whole movie,
I was kind of blown away by how unvolume me
it looked. And I think that is why it appealed
to me so much. It looked so much better than
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like no ninety percent of like big budget like NU
style movies. I felt like there was so much life
and texture and real beautiful locations and this I felt
like that generally the CGI and and like obvious screen
screen was pretty, you know, unnoticeable, pretty seamless. There was
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the scene when Hiccup and Astrid are in the northern lights.
I felt like that suddenly just took us to being
in like a weird TV show that had like no budget.
I don't know what happened with the lighting. I don't
know if it was the flatness.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
It was completely.
Speaker 3 (24:36):
Random and it they just didn't light it was very supernatural,
invite them properly to give them like the full kind
of beautiful wholeness. And then there was like one other
scene when it was only like both of these scenes
are like five ten seconds of the movie, but like
the other there was another one with Astrid where they'd
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clearly done a similar reshoot where it was just suddenly
it was like but it was really wild because up
until then I was like, this is gonna be one
of the best looking, like big budget movies. And I'm
gonna say something as well, this is a I guess
we're gonna get into this next. But kind of like
the conversation of like is it a remake? Is it
an adaptation? Like I've seen a lot of people be like,
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this is a great movie, but it didn't need to
be made, and I'm like, guys, I got a terrible
things to tell you. Welcome to the history of Hollywood.
Do you know how many versions of a fucking Star
Is born? There? There are like fucking four versions of
a Star Is Born?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
Like you don't dream Works is trying to become the
new Disney.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Not just that, this is throughout history, throughout Hollywood history.
This is what happens is they go back and they
remake movies and they redo the same story and they
you know, there's fifty versions of snow White because that
is an out of license story. There are, you know,
so many different fairy tale stories. There are so many
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Westerns that are basically beat for beat the same thing.
So I think that when a movie is made, which
in Aaron's opinion like this movie is not good, then
you do ask those questions. For me, I thought this
movie was beautiful enough. It's been like eleven years, and
you know what I feel like this is gonna introduce.
For example, Isaiah had not seen the original, but he
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loved this. He'd watch the TV shows and he felt
like this just like supplanted that and he was so
excited to go back and check.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Out the original he's only seen the TV shows and
not the original movie.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
He's gonna go see it. But what I'm saying is
that what I'm saying is that is gonna be There's
gonna be a whole generation of kids like that who
were gonna get to experience this for the first time,
like so many of us did with remakes of other stuff.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
And I think plus, a whole new theme park just
opened up.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
And that's the real The thing that I find interesting
is I want to talk to whoever it was who
understood the kind of insane fandom that this had that
they could build an entire park off it and do
another remake, because look, on, I know that this is
a popular movie, but I didn't know this was like
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a you can build a multi billion dollar theme park
and do a new movie. But now that I've seen
the new movie and I've seen images of the theme park,
which apparently is the best, if not one of the
best lad Good, I get it, Like I want to
spend more time in this world. So I just I
I do think that the notion of like remakes are
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unneeded becomes a question of quality, because that is just
the history of like Hollywood and entertainment in general. It
say it's always going to be a sequel, there's always
going to be a remake. But I think that compared
to like ninety percent, if not more, of the Disney ones,
this to me felt like, oh yeah, I mean when
I rewatched How to Train Your Dragon, it's amazing and
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it is obviously like the original. The animated vision is gorgeous,
but I was like, but I also do I would
like to be in the cinema watching this and feeling
like I'm flying through the ad with toothless, which you can't.
You don't feel like that in the anime ad version.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I will say, I think that the I think the
for me, what this remake, adaption whatever do well is
it doesn't try as I think some of the Disney ones,
many of the Disney ones try to do, which is
create this entirely new, hyper real aesthetic.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Yes, this is very cost to any movie.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
Yeah, that turns into this kind of surreal, uncanny valley
feeling thing that has an entire visual language that I one,
I find it really hard to emotionally connect to, and
two it feels as real as it is, it almost
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feels like more fakes sometimes and I think that they,
in my in my view, smartly took what worked and.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Kind of transitioned it.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
To the live action space in terms of character design,
in terms of detailing, in terms of you know, how
the characters look, in terms of shots, in terms of lighting.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I liked it.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Now.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
I think I think, Rosie, you're exactly right that the
need to be made argument is basically just say you
don't like it and let's move on, like, because none
of this shit needs.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
To be made.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
It's the nature of like all of Hollywood is like,
guess what, guys, I'm gonna tell you something. Roger and Eba,
you know what, they were saying they didn't need to
make seven Friday the Thirteenth movies. They didn't even need
to make one, but guess yeah. So I think it's
a constant conversation. But I think that because Aaron is
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here and I believe he is the only one out
of the three of us who's seen it. Aaron, let's
get your take on another controversial live action remake recently,
because we did recently have the Lelo and Stitch live
action remake, which did it inspired a lot of different conversations.
There was a lot of discourse about it. There was
a lot of feelings in the Native Hawaiian community about it,
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and there was also millions and millions of dollars made
at the box office because for certain families it was
the perfect movie. So, Aaron, what were your feelings on
Leelo and Stitches live action film?
Speaker 6 (30:19):
So I will again acknowledge up top you already mentioned it,
but there were a lot of things that people were
upset about with this live action remake. Adaptation whatever you
want to do, and there were some particular changes both
the story as well as character characters that were just
completely cut out for your film, yep, and so some
people were unhappy with that. I thought that this felt
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like as opposed to How to Treat Your Dragon, which,
to be fair, I did enjoy. I just enjoyed the
animated more and I felt like Leelo and Stitch the
live action added something and gave us a nice little
deeper view into certain parts of the movie that we
didn't get in the animated And again animated is older.
There are a lot different things that are happening in
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Disney at that time and what they can do. But
for instance, I liked the character changes they did, so
they split mister Bubbles from being this like secret agent
also social worker into a social worker and a secret agent,
so there are two separate characters, and that just made
more sense to me. And I liked that the social
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worker was Hawaiian. It was in fact Tia who was
Nanny in the original, and she comes back in the
live action to play the social worker, which I loved.
And in the live action I didn't miss gone to
that much, like it was cool the kids missed God.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
I had a kid tell me yesterday at a graduation party.
She was like, yeah, I really liked it, but where
I was gone to? And then also, I will say,
the kids are upset about the lack of cross dressing.
I've had multiple people say that they actually little kids
be like why wasn't that character allowed to dress like
a go now?
Speaker 6 (32:00):
And I didn't they fight over who gets to wear
the wig when they're falling asleep, and like, yeah, there's yeah,
I get that. I just liked I didn't need Jumba
to have a to get fixed and like change their tune,
because we already have that with Leelo and Stitch. We
don't need everyone in the movie to be redeemed like
I'm totally fine with just the main characters getting redeemed.
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And I loved the you know, the the writer is
Hawaiian as well, and the screenwriter and he meant he
made a point to say, like I wanted to make
a change that if this happened in real life, it
the Hawaii I come from, would not have these two
girls left on their own. The community would come together.
And so I loved that their auntie comes in, their neighbor,
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becomes part of their family in the same way that like,
you know, family is not just blood relatives. We all
have close friends who are found family. We all have
family friends who were not directly related to who become
essential parts of your family. That's who their auntie, Amy Hill.
She becomes their family and she takes Leelo. So it's
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not just it's not you know, you know, Nannie gives
Leelo up to the state and never sees her again.
She lives like in the same house with her auntie
who lives next door. That's the most like, I don't know,
heartwarming way that that could have gone. Sure get rid of,
like why does she have to go to college in
the States as opposed to on Hawaii that's.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
A famously great marine biology is in Hawaii.
Speaker 6 (33:34):
I just have to say, but I'm not gonna let
one sentence ruin the movie for me, Like there was
a lot in that I really enjoyed, and I thought
Nanni was fleshed out a lot more and I got
a much bigger sense of like her hopes and dreams
were important, and when they lost their parents, she was
impacted in a way that wasn't just now I have
to take care of my sister. It was I had
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always wanted to do this and I don't get to
now because my parents passed away, and so and there's
this great scene I thought it was great where they're
talking about her.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Are you going to go scene for scene and tell
us about this love this movie so much.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
I also just want to say, guys, I.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Know the credits when I loved about the font with
the credits as the.
Speaker 3 (34:16):
Rule, I do want to say. I do want to say, guys,
as there was Yes, that is where a lot of
the conversation was about, and I do understand as well.
I want to say that I do think it is
absolutely fair for people to watch a movie made by
a multi billion dollar American company like Disney and to
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read the change in the ending as essentially like at
best not thoughtful and at worst as propaganda, which is
when there is such a conversation about like a Native
children being taken away from their parents. And also, but
I do think that something and this is another interesting
conversation I think to have about live action adaptations, especially
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when it's something like Lelo and Stitch, which the original
movie was not a huge smash hit and became one
over VHS. Lelo and Stitch the original movie hat because
of the lack of kind of oversight it, it did
get to make statements that to a lot of people
I think ended up feeling radical, even if that wasn't
the intention. Even though a lot of the movie was
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made by white.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
People, and I have seen and starred white people. Let's
let's be open about that.
Speaker 3 (35:26):
Yeah. And also I will say there was also issues
in this movie that Nanni is not played by a
Native Hawaiian actress. And so I think like it's a
very interesting conversation in this case because I think Lelo
and Stitch acted as one of those movies where it
was an unexpected finding representation where you can and people
hold it very dear and there are generations of people
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who grew up with it on VHS, and I also
think that is going to be a very hard thing
to translate, whereas something like How to Train Your Dragon
is pretty much a beat for beat remake, and you're
just like, hey, this is a really gorgeous upgraded version
that isn't some shitty upscaled Ai four K remaster. This
is like a re envisioning. Yeah, it's like and I
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think that's the difference. And I think that's why the
conversations kind of talk.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
About that, because what is it what works and what
doesn't work for us in a live action remake?
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Aaron like, what is.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
What are the things that for you make a live
action remake essential or additive?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
And what are the things that don't work for you?
And when is it?
Speaker 6 (36:32):
So I think I think about it like when you
see a band perform live, you've listened to the album
and you hear the song that they've done recorded. When
you when they do it live, you want a different
sort of energy, whether that be they are changing up
bits of the song they're they're doing, you know, different
interpretations of sections of the songs. I like things that
are you already know the original. Let me give you
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another take on this. Yeah, And so that's why I
think in a live action remake, adaptation, and I want
something that gives me. I don't want to have it
be seen for see from what I've already watched. And
so I think that's for me. I want, like, I
want some changes, and I think that that is how
I view seeing a continuation of the story Joelle.
Speaker 4 (37:19):
Yeah, I think it's like anything that's happening in a franchise. Now,
you don't need to justify why the film needs be made,
but you do need to make a good film. So
I'm open to films that have changes in are reinterpreting characters,
especially if it's been a long time. But you know,
we can look to snow White and see what happens
when you do that poorly, when you're not updating for
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the time period, when you're not interacting.
Speaker 6 (37:42):
Oh, you.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Understand it completely. You just read the assignment and a
train X. And so I just think for me, like
I'll say, up until I have dun your Dragon, and
I haven't seen le Loan Stitch yet, I have not
liked the remakes. The only one I thought was worth
the Damaged Jungle Book, which again is more yeah wonder
(38:04):
One remake. But if they're going to continue to exist,
which it seems like, I mean, Leon's just making this
most money and what we imagine is going to happen
with How to Train Your Dragon, then at least like
to me, like the casting of How To Train Your
Dragon is so freaking phenomenal, Like everybody really understood the
assignment of their character and you feel very connected to them.
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And that's really what I'm looking for, especially on the
Disney Train, like we come for the characters. I want
to see them in the parks. I want their outfits,
I want them on T shirts. Give me an interesting
perspective on these characters.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
I was very happy to see Julian Dennison. I don't
think he gets enough work legendary making the movie. I
thought he was really fun. That character is barely good
anything in the originally the I will also say I
thought that they did a good job of like making
those characters still still feel as like weird and kind
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of cartoony as they are. Okay, I want to talk
about this too, because when we were prepping this episode
in this stock, let's talk about that because because Aaron
wants changes, Joelle's open to either what do you guys
think about, Like, how do you define something like Maleficent,
which follows the same plot points as Sleeping Beauty but
from a completely different perspective, essentially creating a different movie
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and recasting a character in a different phrase, to something
like How to Train Your Dragon, which is a direct
kind of remake, like almost like a shot for shot
like Psycho Gus Van Samins Psycho remake, but like some
doesn't like.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Something like Maleficent is not a live action remake. It
is a completely different story a la Wicked.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yes, okay, I like the Wicked comparison.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
That even though there is kind of a let's say,
like loose similarity between the story arcs, the fact that
you're in another character's shoes is so upending to the
original story, Like it is a completely different perspective, a
different story, a different protagonist, and therefore I think it
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is I think something like that is not a.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I'm classify that as a franchise expander, giving more death
on your specific in the way that I don't want
to reference.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
Those movies franchise expansion.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
I like that which I can appreciate. You know, I
love a world in diving in and exploring, but I
do kind of hope we continue to find ways to
like engage and like for me, like Scar, the Moufasa
like movie should have been the Scar movie. I'm like,
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what are we doing?
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Like we have?
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Mufasa has a perfect arc in the original Lion King.
If you're going to and and stop doing it with
animals until we can figure out what to do with
the mouths, it just stop.
Speaker 3 (40:57):
Also, okay, I want to talk about let's talk about
Lion k slash Mafasa because can those even count as
live action if they're completely CG. I think that is
still an animated movie. I have.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I I agree with you. I do.
Speaker 6 (41:12):
It's tough because both of the two movies we talked
about earlier, Lelo and Stitch and How to Train Your
Dragon feature very prominent fully.
Speaker 3 (41:20):
CG.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
This is.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Exactly I'm gonna so. I'm gonna tell you this is
my spiciest take that I think that and it's very
like it's a it's not particularly spicy, but I do
think it's I think all of these movies should be
considered essentially like Roger Rabbit esque, like animated live action
kind of combo movies, and I actually think that that
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would maybe interest people more if we spoke about them
like that. But I also think that it's tough because
people then would start to wonder about like every live
action movie you see now that has like heavily CG characters,
So that would basically like quantum Is that essentially the
same thing? Yeah, basically. But I mean I think that
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there's something interesting about the way that live action and
CG are used together in these movies, and I think
that's something that should actually be like interestingly, you know,
having a conversation about Ian, don't bring up Robert zemeachis
in this conversation that that insane dead eyed man like
the Polar Express. That's one of the scariest movies I've
(42:27):
ever seen, man, But you know, I watch it every
year at Christmas. I still love it. Bear Wolf, he
was doing this before anyone else, honestly, so we can't
we can't take that away from him. Okay, So I'm
gonna tell you guys, this is my the first live
action Disney animated movie that they made, the animated remake
that they made, like this live action remake of an
animated film, I should say was Pete's Dragon. Right now,
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I'm like a number one Pete Dragon Superstan. I love
the original movie, which was an animated live action kind
of hybrid. But the movie, I think this is actually
where they went wrong because the Pete Dragon movie is
essentially a completely different story. The original Pete's Dragon is
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very whimsical. It's very much in that kind of Mary
Poppins space. It's also super like Stoner coded Puff the
Magic Dragon, like weird.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
We say seventies.
Speaker 3 (43:23):
Yeah, it's like it's like, you know, very seventies, like
whoa spiraling out? But it has kind of similar vibes,
which is like kid Left by Himself Dragon. That movie
is directed by David Lowry. It has Bryce, Alice Howard,
It has Wes Bentley, It has Carl Urban as Una
Lawrence has Robert Redford. The movie is so gorgeous and
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basically is about found family and about the freedom of
found family and about the dangers of the state getting
involved with found family. And I thought it was fantastic,
and it was made for sixty five million dollars and
it made one hundred and forty three million dollars. But
I think post that they were like, well, we want
these movies to make a billion dollars. We want I
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think that David Lowry was allowed to make this movie
because it was the first in a trial period. But
I'm like, this is where we should be going. We
should be doing weirder old Disney movies that people have
not really seen. I'll tell you what I would make
a remake of doesn't need any animation. There's a really
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weird Jody Foster movie where she is clearly she's like twelve,
and she's clearly a lesbian feet who goes into an
old man's house to steal all his goods. It's called Candlewick.
Ten out of ten remake that shit. Like Disney has
such a weird history of like animation and just strange
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movies in general, and I think leaning into the strains.
Speaker 4 (44:51):
We Cauldron, live Action Wears Please.
Speaker 3 (44:54):
That's what I am talking about, like movies that maybe
didn't hit at the time but then were able to
find their kind of wow Iam Page masterymake. I would
watch it.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I try. I'm not prepared.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
I love that movie. But yeah, like I think the
conversation of what is animation, what is live action? It's
so blurred nowadays that it becomes like a hard conversation
to have because MCU movies are you know, fifty percent
if not more in something like ant Man in Quantitmania volume,
what does that really add to it? So it's an
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interesting space and an interesting conversation. But I also think
that the almost like the semantics of it end up
just kind of like you missed the fact of as
the movie.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
If I can bring a ridiculous hard rule to it,
I think if we have, I think.
Speaker 3 (45:50):
I love a ridiculous hard rule avatar.
Speaker 4 (45:52):
I do, I really do, because it's in the details.
Speaker 3 (45:54):
It's important.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
I classify as a live action because they shoot all
of it, like the act being there that.
Speaker 1 (46:00):
The reforms to move through it and they're like everybody
in it's a lot of mo cap okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Jungle Book is a live action movie. The live action
remake of Jungle Book has a kidney. All of that
is staged and moved around it behind the scenes. A
Lion King is an animated movie.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
Yeah, because the lion is not a single real thing
in it.
Speaker 4 (46:27):
That's that's my dividing line. If there's at least one
real person and they had stage and set it up
and shoot with real like, you know, actually shooting something
and not creating with in the computer. Then live action.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
Okay, okay, let's go to a break, and then we
can come back and talk about our best and worst
live action animated remakes or franchise expanders or whatever else
do you want to pull, and we're back.
Speaker 1 (47:07):
Okay, let's talk about our best live action remakes, our
favorite live action remakes or expanders or whatever you want
to call it. Let's start, Joelle, let's start with you.
Speaker 4 (47:23):
Okay, I'm gonna go and start real controversial one hundred
and one Dalmatians with Glenn Close.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Oh that's great.
Speaker 4 (47:32):
I love that is such.
Speaker 3 (47:33):
Isn't it kind of funny that when we were kids
we didn't even think about that wasn't a terminology for it.
We were just like, yeah, of course you would remake.
Speaker 4 (47:40):
This, Yes, Glenn Close and fabulous outfits, being as wild
and crazy as she wants to be. There's some crazy
production design in there, and incind about the soundtracks that slaps.
One hundred and one Dalmatians got me into jazz as
a child, really lovely. And then I would say, do
you want just do best and worst.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Yeah, just do Best and West want to be I'm
gonna be real. There's not a lot of good ones.
It's like a hundred movies, and maybe they're not great.
Speaker 4 (48:08):
Okay, I am gonna say Mulan because it misses everything.
It didn't get the historical like recreation right, it didn't
get the things we loved about the original animation right.
It's a hot mess. No one seemed to appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (48:22):
Nobody who's like no bisexuality.
Speaker 4 (48:27):
Like excited about it. I think Mulan is an interesting
historical figure that should have many great movies.
Speaker 3 (48:32):
And I've had many great Chinese movies.
Speaker 4 (48:35):
Yes, and I think Disney just really really dropped the
ball on Mulan.
Speaker 2 (48:39):
Okay, Aaron, Best and West, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (48:41):
This is cheating.
Speaker 2 (48:41):
Can I say the Flintstones for best? Or is that
not you can?
Speaker 3 (48:46):
I'm sorry Flintstones.
Speaker 2 (48:49):
I think for the best, it's great. For the worst.
Speaker 6 (48:54):
I feel bad because I haven't actually seen the entire thing.
But Aladdin, I just I'm.
Speaker 4 (48:59):
Badly unnecessary pop song that made me would have rip
my eyes out. I said, what have you done to Ali? Insanity?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Yeah? Not not not, not great.
Speaker 4 (49:12):
I could go on. I could I forgot about whatever?
Speaker 3 (49:15):
I think I'm I love the kind of I love
that these are spreading beyond because I do think Aaron,
I think you make a great point with flint Stones.
I think that's definitely one of the really really legendary
ones and also comes from that era before there were
enough movies that we were having to have conversations about
whether these are live action adaptations or remaates or whatever.
I'm gonna go, uh, I'm gonna I'm gonna pick Peach
(49:40):
Dragon as my best because I do watch that movie
a lot. I own it on Blu Ray. I think
it's beautiful. It breaks my heart every time I watch
it. It's got a great soundtrack. I will say, I'm gonna say,
but my, you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna skip
Peach Dragon. I already shouted out, I'm gonna say, you
know what I'm gonna say right now. Recently Bias How
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to Train Your Dragon. It was really brilliant. I loved it.
It made me. When I got home, I immediately rewatched
the original because I wanted to recapture the feeling I
had in the movie theater and it's a Nico Parker
as Astrod. It's a Nico Parker vehicle, the one she deserves,
and it will make me less bad about picking my
worst live action adaptation. Kind of not really, I guess
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we would say this is a franchise expander. Dumbo director
by Timber.
Speaker 1 (50:29):
It's so bad, Timothy.
Speaker 3 (50:34):
Take them away. He made that. He made frickin' both
the Alison Wondler again, Yes, you don't want to hear
it there. Dumbo should have been Dumbo should have been
like really fantastic and weird, but it was not. It
was just a bad movie. And you know what. That
(50:56):
was another thing I was struck by with How to
Train Your Dragon and Pete Dragon also has this issue,
which is why I guess I kind of knocked it
off in the end. These Disney adaptations, live action remakes whatever,
they really meander like often you're watching them and you're like,
where is that straight through like story that grabbed me
in the original animation? We have to now make it
(51:18):
two hours and fourty minutes long. Dumbo drugs are that
How To Train Your Dragon does not. That is a breezy, frickin' movie,
Like you just feel like you're on the adventure. So
I think those will be my current twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (51:30):
You know, it's notable picks. It's notable to me that
like in terms of live action remakes, Disney has been
at this a while. You mentioned one Dalmatians from ninety
six with Gone Close and Jeff Daniels, and then it's
really not until like twenty sixteen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen
when you get this glut and nothing from the glut
is good. Almost nothing from the glut is it's just
(51:54):
too much. There is stuff throwing it thickle.
Speaker 3 (51:57):
Reconsideration of Cinderella, I will say I seen Young gen Z.
It's made by Kenneth Browner. If you like a traditional
kind of fairytale story doesn't have music, is great, interesting,
actually very interesting. And Angelina Joe.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
But again those were the only two, like it was,
those were the only two of that, you know, twenty
fourteen you get Molesticent and Cinderella the previous with Sorcerer's
Apprentice from twenty ten and then so so it's this
big space and then you enter into like post Beauty
and the Beast. It's like twenty seventeen Beauty and the Beast.
(52:38):
Christopher Robinson twenty eighteen, Dumbo twenty nineteen, Aladdin twenty I
want to ask you this, Rosie, where do we is?
Is Pete's Dragon truly a live action remake? When I
would argue the amount of the balance of animation exactly
(52:58):
live action? Correct, this is basically the same from that.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (53:04):
I think that you make a good point. I was
actually kind of just thinking and saying about this, like,
I think if it was up to me, I would
kind of be promoting all of these as those old
movies were promoted as Roger Rabbit was promoted as these
kind of combo like, look what we can do. But
obviously the idea of CG is it's supposed to be
so seamless. So no, I think that's very fair. I don't.
I think the reason that Pete Dragon is so wonderful
(53:26):
is because it doesn't necessarily fit into a lot of
the trappings and tropes, and David Lowry was given a
lot of freedom. That and Green Knight are like a
really great weird forest they double bill. Yeah, but it's true.
I'm interested. I will say I do as somebody who
has a lot of friends who love romance and who
love like historical romantic fiction. The Little Mermaid has a
(53:49):
huge fan base in that space. There's a huge fan
art fan base for it. There is also a huge
there's yeah, and there's a huge fan base for the
fact that it is a very traditional happily ever after
and it has this kind of very almost like Renaissance
esthetic where you get to see these two people fall
(54:10):
in love. I've seen I've seen the movie. I thought that, uh,
is it was it Hailey who is in that movie? Yes,
Hailey Berry. Yeah, she's fantastic. And I thought that the
movie was was like, you know, interesting. That again meandered.
But I will say that's another one where from just
being online, I've realized that there is a huge kind
(54:33):
of emotional and fan response to it, which I'm interested
to see if that continues. But these I think for
the amount that there has been, if you really look
at the Bangers, quality is not the point here, Like
the point is making money off nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (54:50):
I think in particular, Disney made a big, big bet
coming off of, you know, being high on their own
MCU supply like oh we've gary, we've figured it out,
we know what to do, and now we're just gonna
bet big on this thing, and.
Speaker 2 (55:09):
Frankly it just didn't work. It just didn't, you know what.
Speaker 3 (55:12):
But it's made them a lot of money, so I
think that is from that sense, yes, it's been very successful.
Speaker 1 (55:19):
Okay, my uh best and worst, I'm gonna go with Paddington.
The Paddington series adapted from the original BBC like the
less choice paper animation and stop motion animation which was
so charming and delightful, but like when you watch it
(55:39):
now feels they're eleven year olds that are probably making
better like stop motion than this right now with their
like computers. And I think that the Paddington. I just
love the Paddington movies, like even the even when it's
not that great, they're great and the pat and Paddington
looks wonderful. He's so like a motive and charming. I
(56:01):
could stare into his eyes and he's fantastic. I love
that they did the exact same thing from the origin,
from the Paddington books and from the Paddington original animator,
where it's like this bear is here, we don't question it.
Speaker 2 (56:14):
It makes perfect sense. He's hand now walking around.
Speaker 1 (56:17):
He's here now, and he's walking around, He's interacting with everybody,
and it's fine.
Speaker 4 (56:20):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (56:22):
Worst fuck There's so much to choose from, but I'm
gonna go with Pinocchio twenty two.
Speaker 3 (56:31):
Oh my god, how did we not talk about this?
Speaker 2 (56:33):
Yeah, it's like, is this.
Speaker 1 (56:36):
An snl skit? Like, what's happening this movie?
Speaker 3 (56:40):
I could not believe it. There is a scene in
this movie and it's you know, I do rag on myself.
You know, I think a fair amount for how much
my Easter egg hunting, uh, you know, kind of had
a ripple effect on the impact of things. And I
hate to imagine that I even played point five percent
of the fact that in this movie there is an
(57:04):
entire wall of clocks that Geppetto made and every single
one is a fucking Easter egg to a different Disney movie.
And I was like, no, do not do this. Nobody
wants this, Nobody wants to write an article about every
fifty No, no, no. And it wasn't Tom Tom Hanks
(57:24):
his weirdest action.
Speaker 2 (57:26):
Like sure his accent sucks thet.
Speaker 3 (57:33):
Exactly the same.
Speaker 4 (57:36):
And so much worse by the fact that Del Toro
releases a stunning animated like Pinocchio.
Speaker 3 (57:42):
What months later if I recall literally in the same Yeah, yeah,
it was.
Speaker 4 (57:47):
I was flabbergas. I was like, Doesny you have to
be so embarrassed.
Speaker 3 (57:50):
By this.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
And the and the way that the live action elements
in the CGI elements meet is social and cold feeling,
like yes, yes, I mean none of the magic of
the original is transmitted to this one.
Speaker 2 (58:08):
It is bad.
Speaker 3 (58:11):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (58:12):
I also I hate it.
Speaker 3 (58:13):
I'm like, I also do wanna I want to like
add another worst I'm on the Disney Live Action Reimaginings
franchise page on IMDb, which I guess is kind of
how they looking at all the worldwide openings. But you
know which one. I don't necessarily think this counts because
it's not adapting something that was originally animated, but they
(58:36):
do include it in here. Oz the Great and Powerful
hated that ship just make Wicked Wicked was already out
like the book. You could have just adapted Wicked hated It.
Speaker 4 (58:45):
Made the douchey wizard it sympathetic.
Speaker 3 (58:48):
And then the Wicked the Witch is evil because like
he didn't want to date her, Like, come the fuck on,
this is a lesbian story again, Okay, Aaron dishonorable mention, Yes,
please an official hater.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
Ghost in the Shell. I don't I don't know if that's.
Speaker 1 (59:03):
That's one of the ass Yes, exactly out.
Speaker 6 (59:06):
Of here Scarlett and Emma Untilda and that our favorite
Asian movie stars.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
Okay, wait, Aaron, you were going to call in a
boot bringing.
Speaker 6 (59:15):
It a boo just he mentioned in the chat that
he that Aladdin was bad, but he enjoyed how fun
it was, so like.
Speaker 1 (59:24):
Okay, please please stand there. I love a stand for absolutely.
Speaker 4 (59:31):
There's a whole parade scene that is literally a whole
way in like behind the Disney line. It looks so
it's five walk away. They're like, that's the parade.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Oh okay. I think Ian has actually come in in
my opinion with the winner, and you should probably leave
it on this because he put the new Chip and
Dale was really good. Movie is fucking amazing. It's so funny,
it has ugly sonic in it. It's honestly like one
(01:00:01):
of the best. Also, I love like bootleg Disney movies.
There's a director called Orlando Karate who made a lot
of bootleg kind of anime esque like Japanese American co production,
Japanese Talian co productions in like the eighties and nineties.
They'll be like Cinderella's Trip to the Ball and they
are like so bad and I'm obsessed with them, And
(01:00:22):
that is essentially the plot of Chippindale.
Speaker 4 (01:00:25):
Also a big LA movie, like just if you love
It on the City of La. It's really fun.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
Definitely, Yeah, great Coolly and I am like, you gotta
come on here next time because you won all of
our picks.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Well, I think we where we've landed is live action movies.
Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Just make a good one.
Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Just make a good one. It's a little care where
it comes from or when it's a down to.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
Just do it about it. Just do it movie.
Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Thank you to our panel of super producers for joining
us today to us this heated topic. On the next
episode of Extra Vision, We've got news and our thoughts
on Hulu's Predator.
Speaker 3 (01:01:08):
Killer of Killers and animated.
Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
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Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
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