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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Auntiay's episode, we're talking about Marvel Movies, Marvel TV, box
seven numbers, box office projections, and stick around for a
very special interview with the director of Ironheart, Sam Bailey.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
News, Oh my baby, jest Anna, I'm rosday night, and
we'll go back to extract movie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
I've even your baby.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Bring me three.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Weekly this week every Tuesday, Thursday, Rights and Today's.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
News it is news.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
In today's previously on episode, we are catching you up
on the biggest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Geek news of the week, including.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
A confirmation on who will be directing the X Men movie.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Can you believe that's even happening? I don't know. It's
twenty twenty eight, a real year. Unclear.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Also, we're gonna be talking about the super Man tracking.
How's that looking? And like we said, stick around for
that interview with Sam Bailey. She's a total joy and
directed the first three episodes of ironhaw.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
First up, Oh my god, it's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It's about happy years and really happening, real, it's real.
Comic Book Resources reports x Men movie locks down familiar
director as.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Marvel confirms return to four films a year now? Is
that is that four film?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Is it just twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think it might just be twenty twenty eight. That said, folks,
Jake Schreyer, the director of the wonderful Thunderbolts Asterisk, is
being seen as the top choice, it is reported, for
the new X Men movie that will launch the X
Men's the MCU. Your thoughts, Rosen, Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We kind of talked about this when it was first
rumbled rumored. I get it, you have a successful team movie.
Give it a try. I would love to see a
different set of eyes on the X Men, but I
think this is a safe set of eyes, a safe
directorial vision. I think that he showne knows how to
do a team movie. I think he's shown he knows
(02:17):
how to do a complex, emotional movie which does need
to be a center point for the X Men. And yeah,
if we're still here in twenty twenty eight, I'll be
excited to see that movie.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Interestingly, there also.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Adding they added the fourth movie at December fifteenth, and
I feel like a big Christmas MCU movie is not
something we've gotten. That's usually a Star Wars kind of placement.
We haven't gotten a Christmas MCU movie for a while,
so I'm interested to see what that Christmas MCU movie
will be me too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Up next, folks, It's the summer of Superman, it really is,
and new tracking data has emerged. First National Research Group
has predicted that Superman domestic box office opening will be
in the range of one hundred and thirty five million
(03:09):
on average, with a kind of spread of one twenty
five to one forty five. I think that would be great.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I mean that would be very very solid domestic opening. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
They are definitely playing sefa at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now Warner Brothers internal and you know, the kind of
like steady leak of sourced reporting from inside Warner Brothers
over the last few weeks has been a lot of this.
Don't get your hopes up. There are some like editing issues.
(03:45):
There's been some concerns. We were concerned about the internal
polling that said ninety to one twenty five is which
is a large spread. Is the internal number from DC
and Warner Brothers according which is to say that's right,
All of which is to say lot writing on Superman,
(04:06):
and I think an opening of one thirty five would
be great.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It would be great.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I find this very interesting too, because the movie is
only coming out a couple of weeks before Fantastic Four,
and we are not hearing about those Fantastic Four tracking
numbers even though the tickets.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Are on sale. So I'm very interested to see where
that goes.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I think Superman, if it gets good word of mouth,
if people really need that hopeful kind of feeling in
their life right now, I think it could open to
like one hundred and eighty. But I think this is
solid tracking. If it opens to over one hundred million,
it's gonna be a big deal. Haven't had a lot
of superhero movies that have done that recently. And yeah,
I can't wait to see that movie. It looks great,
(04:42):
and I will say the press is on. They just
released a huge amount of James Gunn chats.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He's talking about Batman. Don't worry, guys, it's not canceled.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
He's talking about his vision for you know what Batman
wal look like in the DCU.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Not campy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And also another interesting tidbit from those apparently the question
of how Clark's glasses work will be answered in this
Superman movie. I wrote a pretty extensive piece over at
Den of Geek about the way the comics have explained
it over the years and how I think that that
might like tie into the more grounded version of James
(05:21):
Gun's DCU. But I want to see them explain the
glasses because no one ever does it on the screen.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So it's going to be funny to see.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Let's take a quick break, work and we're back. Okay,
So a lot of speculation right now. With Ironheart getting
(05:49):
ready to launch in a week. The Mephisto rumors just
will not go away. They will now never go Rosie,
there are for those inclined to believe it. There is
a way to interpret various social media posts and marketing
(06:09):
materials related to Ironheart to suggest that Mephisto will appear
in this Rosie take us Smith.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, So basically, they released we're going to get two
batches of episodes, very and or coded, except here there's
only six episodes, so it just going to be over
two weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
This is different than what we first thought.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We first thought it was going to be three and
then three weekly releases, but no, it's two chunks. First
chunk are take Me Home Episode one, Episode two will
the real Natalie Please Stand Up?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And three we Endanger Girl.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Those are the ones directed by Sam Bailey, who are
going to be talking to after this.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The second and final batch will drop the next.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Week, July first, My Birthday, and those episodes are titled
Bad Magic, Karma is a Glitch, and the Past is
the Past. The reason people are freaking out is Karma's
a glitch. The m in Karma as a glitch is
outlined in red. I would say, guys, does it look
like it could be teasing Mephisto. Yes, but it also
(07:07):
looks like it could be teasing maxim Off. It also
looks kind of like Wonder's headdress. So I'd say, let's
keep it open, Let's keep it wide.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
If it is Mephisto, me and Jason will be surprised,
but pleasantly so. And yeah, I think it's fun that
they're enjoying these kind of theories and this kind of
fang conversation. That's what keeps us excited. And I will
say that while I have not watched the entirety of
the season of iron Heart, I have seen a little
(07:39):
bit of it and it is really really good.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So just be excited to try it out. Make sure
you check it out.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And uh yeah, and then listen to our interview with
Sam Bailey coming up after this break.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I kind of feel like, you know, M, there's a
mutant named Karma. We're also waiting on an X Men movie.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and also like M.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Maximov, you know, that's very coded to not only wonder,
but also it could be about her dad Magneto, another
M you know, another Magnus. I think it's fun that
people are getting so excited, and this is the kind
of teasing that hopefully we'll get more eyes on this.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Completely agree, absolutely, Okay, let's go to our inview with Sandy.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sam, thank you so much for being on the pod.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
We're so stoked to have you here, and thank you
for having me. Yes, we're very excited. And one of
the questions.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We always ask people, because this is a podcast that
began with our love of kind of comic books and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What's your origin story?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like, how did you gat from being baby Sam to
being successful film and TV maker Sam?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Oh my gosh, it's kind of like I was gonna
say it was.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's a dark story, but it's related.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
But I'm from I'm from Chicago, born and raised, and
so I went to school for theater as an actor
and then kind of like decided that that wasn't really
giving me any type of power or anything.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That I like really really wanted.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I had all these like inputs and things that I
thought was important, and I wasn't being asked that. So
I started doing web series in that like era where
web series was like a thing and like broad City
had just happened and like all these other things like
That's when I started making my own versions of that.
And then I made a web series called Brown Girls
and that came out in twenty seventeen, and that kind
(09:53):
of like got me into.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Hollywood as we know it and into the system.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, and then I just started directing TV because I
was like, I need to make money if I'm going
to do this.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's kind of my journey.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
In that journey. What was what was that transition like
from a web series to like you know, work for
hire in the actual entertainment system, And what was your
process like and has it changed as you've made that transition.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
I think like the transition was completely like it was,
it was another like I was on another.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Planet pretty much, is what Hollywood felt like to me.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I went from like making things with the homies and
like trying to like figure out how to raise money,
and you know, some of those web series, the budgets
were like fifteen thousand dollars and then all of a sudden,
you're like working on television where that's like maybe a
lunch for a day.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
The budget that you're dealing with paper exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So it was very different.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And I didn't come from like anywhere that had access
to those type of resources. So for me, it was
not It wasn't only just like a creative change.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It was also like a class change or.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
A yeah and there like new like different class that
was very at times exciting and also in times at
times I'm like, this is like fucking insane, like just
kind of the way the system and the people within
it move. So I always have felt like an outsider
within Hollywood for that reason. But I don't think that
my process has changed other than the fact that it
(11:25):
has it includes so many more people, especially if you're
talking about like a Marvel thing, Like there's so many
people that like you have that you're collaborating with, and
so it's not just you and your heads and apartments,
which was what I was doing beforehand.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I just have to make sure of me and like.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
My artistic collaborators were you know, happy with stuff, but
you know that has expanded when they added zeros.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
To Yeah, that's that's the way.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And also, yeah, so you talk about like collaboration in
that community. You uh directed a music video for Shay
Lay and then Shake Calay is gonna be an Ian Hak.
So could you talk a little bit about how you're
making sure that even in this new space and big industry,
you're still kind of making those connections and bringing your
community in when you do these projects.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I've known Shae since we were eighteen.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
She's two weeks younger than me, and so like we
went to theater school together, so that's a long long friendship.
And Shae has like built a career in their own
right through drag race and through their music and through
like a lot of a lot of their performance history.
So when we were trying to cast this one role,
I just like threw the name out and that's kind
(12:36):
of what you don't have that much control over that,
but I was like, if I can just like, you know,
we're going to have all the actors that you're going
to call in or whatever, but also maybe like expand
what you're thinking of just a little bit and then
let like let them surprise you. And I think they
really did in a really like fantastic way. So for me,
it's like it makes it feel MAKEE feel a little
(12:57):
bit more like home, which reminds me of like when
I was creating in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
What can you tell this is coming out of course
ahead of iron Heart? What can you tell us to
get us ready for it? And what was your introduction
to the character?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Like, Okay, so I all I knew of Ironheart was
that eviewing written, so like even, yeah, friend exactly, I
think she's like the smartest person like that most of
us know. Yeah, and she's she's from Chicago, so I knew,
(13:32):
Like I remember when I think she announced it, like
I just like, oh, that's dope, Like that's crazy that
she's kind of like going into the space. So it
was really you know when they called me about it
in twenty twenty or no, no, twenty twenty one, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, I was like I was like, wait, the comic
that you wrote, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Like if I just couldn't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
So that was my like knowing of it that I
knew that like Eve really kind of imbued that character
with an emotional reality that I thought was really interesting
and nuanced and exciting. So yeah, when when they had
reached out to me about it, that kind of gave me,
you know, I wasn't really sure if I wanted to
keep doing TV at that point, but like this character
(14:14):
just seemed like it aligned in such a in such
a way that I was excited about it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
How did it feel then to kind of like dig
in to Eve's work and read about re Re and
kind of get to connect with her on l level
as a kid from Chicago who's trying to make something,
who goes through a class change honestly by you know,
going to mit making this connection, wanting to make this
suit that can like you know, test with the billionaire
(14:40):
Tony Stock. So what was it like kind of digging
into to Rere and just enjoying her on like a
level as a creative and seeing what even and the
teamate done.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I mean, it was it felt very aligned. Like I
really felt like I knew Reread. I think for similar reasons,
I had also like lost my mother when I was
eighteen and kept on in college, like I didn't stop.
So there were like these emotional like through lines that
I felt like really aligned with me, which is rare,
I think, and when you're getting like TV work, is
not often that you feel really connected to the characters
(15:11):
like that. And I think Eve just did like a
really beautiful job in terms of like exploring what that
feels like and like wanting to do all these things
and all be all of these things, but also like
carrying the weight of your community, carrying the weight of
what other people expect from you, understanding that you don't
have the same resources as the people around you, and
(15:32):
yet still wanting to kind of like be the best
version of yourself. And even more so, I would say
for Reread, I think she's even beyond the best version
of herself. Her ambitions are so are so large, and
so it was nice to kind of have that be
the foundation of at least my take on the show.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like the reason why I wanted to do it was
that I was.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Like, oh, well, like in order to do Ironheart, to
do a series, if you're choosing to do that, then
you're gonna want to like be in her emotional arc
really give that nuance in time, and I felt like
really tied to that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, what can you tell us about that emotional arc
for Reary in this series? What she's gonna be dealing with.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I So I'm like trying to.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I feel like we're you know, like where all the
laser net is there?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I know, Yeah, between them? What's the log line, what's
the emotional line?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
So, I mean she it picks up right after the
events of Wakanda Forever, so you see her and she's
back on her bullshit at m I t kind of
like hustling, trying to like make money for her, for
her for her suits, and just like to live the
life that, you know. I think her time in Wakanda
was like traumatizing, exciting and also just like opened her
(16:51):
her her world in terms of what was possible, and
you would think in my Tea was already that, but
then going to Wakanda is like that on steroids. So
I think she comes back with a little bit of
like experience under her belt, and she feels a type
of way about that, and there's a little bit more
of a little chip on our shoulder like she deserves.
She feels like she deserves a certain amount of support,
(17:12):
and it's really difficult to navigate that space when that's
not happening.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So she ends up back in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
And then all those things that like you, you think
you've been kind of hiding away from you all of
a sudden like really having to face it. And so
she's really trying to figure out, like, in what ways
can she create and claim the amount of space that
she thinks she deserves, and at what cost she was
she doing.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And she meets a bunch of people who are.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Kind of all feel the same way, and they very
much feel like they're going to get what they deserve
by whatever means, maybe some nefarias means, and she kind
of she joins that group and then it but but
it does all come at a cost, and I think
she's navigating and struggling with like whether or not she's
ready to pay that cost.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And I think that's it makes it really like interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
It feels like it feels darker than I think the
comics were in this in this really interesting way because
she's a young woman, but she's not, like she's not
a child in this, and I think really allowing her
to kind of take up that messy, that messy space
that like you do in your early twenties and your
late teens, and I think like we rarely get to
see on that type of screen.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I think there's always like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
This person's young person, so they're just like plucky and
like da da dada. And I'm like, that was not
at least my my eighteenth to twenty three years. It
was very messy and loud and heartbreaking and probably ego
driven at times, you know, and then constantly getting smecked
by the world and being humbled, and I think like
(18:44):
re Re really goes on that journey not just with
herself but with the other people around her who are
trying to love her in their own like unique ways.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A lot of your TV Walk and obviously your web
series Walk is like very grounded, grounded in realism, grounded,
and like life. This definitely sounds and looks like it's
going to have that same element. But what was it
like for you to then build in those kind of
more sci fi magic kind of genre spaces.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
What was that balance?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Like, I mean that was probably other than like Shay
showing up on set, that was probably like the most
fun that I had because you really get to like
build the world out because it hasn't been seen and
we were like building Chicago in Atlanta and what that
looks like? Wow, so it fell and then also doing
that like still at the height of the pandemic. So
(19:34):
there was like these all of these like ways of like, yes,
it's rooted in a level of groundedness, but are we
going to try to like artificially create Chicago or is
there like a version of this that can live a
little bit a little bit more an imagination you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Know land, Yeah, like a magical realist Chicago.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, because like what I don't know like what
cities you guys are in, but the city's.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Changed during that time, m for sure.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it was really different for me to tell
a story about Chicago at that time in this world.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But it was I had so much fun.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I mean, me and the production designer Andrew Lindsay's like
we were really in it together, and he was so
smart and had all of these great ideas and it
was so cool to be able to bounce ideas off
of him and have him kind of elevated that whole team.
The art department was like amazing in that in that way,
and then you're like playing with stunts and like fighting,
(20:28):
and then you're going over to VFX and then you're
going on.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're like what the fuck did I get? Like? How
am I here?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What is this? What is this world? Sorry for the cursing.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
But that was.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Talk to us a little bit more about like the
stunts and the c GI side of things. As Rousie mentioned,
your stuff has generally been more grounded, although there's some
you know, not without action for sure, but you know
with Marvel comes at different level of immersion and a
different level of action. So what was that like?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
I mean, it was really it was really fun again,
like there was not. I mean, you have support, right,
There's always going to be somebody there to like figure out,
and we have a long like relatively compared to other shows.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You have a long prep time.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
So we're talking like months of this and it's like
months of dumb and training, months of whoever else is
fighting that I will tell you that you know that
is in training and we're trying to figure out, Yeah,
lots of actors acting, and so we're trying to figure
out like the style of which the way we re
Revicee and reread is a like obsolutely like her stature.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's small, but.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
The suit is not and that has been really great.
And you know, the suit for us, a lot of
it was not CGI. I mean at least in the
first half, like we had a real like working suit
and it was so bad ass to like see that
show up during the camera test and all of that.
We're like, wow, this thing that we were we've all
kind of envisioned is really taking shape and you can
(22:03):
touch it, like, yeah, yeah, that was great. Other than that,
I mean, there wasn't there's like certain there are some
sequelces that are CGI, but again they were really like
built out with the VFX team and even like crystallize
as the time for the extra time that the series
took to make it look really to me quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So yeah, I bet it must be such a fun experience.
I've gotten to be on a couple of those sets
and they're just like the size of them is quite can.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Be quite imposing. So what does it feel like?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know, you talked about your journey and this is
you're going to be able to tell them in therapy
right now, And I ask this question, but like, what's
it like for like baby Sam, like little Sam who
wanted to make stuff. How did it feel to, like,
now be in this space where you have made this
huge thing. You've made so many big TV shows, stuff
that people have heard of, but this is kind of
(22:56):
a next step. What was it like for you to
be there and kind of be like, whoa, I'm here,
Like I'm doing this, I'm making this story I align
with on this huge scale.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Oh yes, I mean I think for me, I think
multiple things were happening at the same time. One is
that like there was this like out of body experience
that you were doing that like all of a sudden,
you're like taken from Lockdown to Georgia and like a
black car and you're like, what the fuck and you
can't tell anybody Like That's the other thing is that
(23:26):
you're not really supposed to like talk to anyone about it,
so you're just in this kind of pod with the
cast and the crew and the heads of departments and
it's just all of y'all the entire time. And so
in that way, it kind of felt surreal, you know.
But also I.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Don't know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I don't know why I keep I don't go out
of my way to get like coming of age stories.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It just keeps like happening to me.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And in a way, I feel like maybe that's like
the universe trying to like you have to like heal
something of that. And so I felt like a great
sense of response disability one because it was from Chicago too,
because of like Dominique and Wayne to make sure she
felt supported and had everything that she needed because she
was like she had done movies, but she hadn't done TV.
And also be number one on the call sheet, like
(24:12):
she really held it down and I really felt like
we were partners.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And that in that way on that phone on set.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Yeah, So in a way it was like incredibly healing,
which is also incredibly like nuanced. It's not like everything
felt like roses every day. It was difficult, Like you
are like there's a level up. There's just like if
we just talk about the stamina needed to like to
film as long as we're filming, for to be in
prep with those people for as long as you are.
That's very different from anything indie or TV that I've done.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
M Yeah, directing is so fascinating because there's you know,
there's no manual for it. So much of you know,
Rosie and I having been around writing, having been around sets,
and knowing people, creative people, you know, so much of
the learning is learn as you do, you learn from
(25:01):
your collaborators. For you, what do you think your you know,
directing superpower is what is the thing that you lean
on the most when you've been making these transitions and
now here you are I'm about to drop iron heart.
What is the thing that you go back to as
kind of your home base skill.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think that I'm really good at talking to people
and just like seeing people in a really like human level,
which I didn't think was a superpower before I got
into Hollywood. But you'd be surprised, I think people are. Yes, Yeah,
I think I think people are always surprised that they're like, oh,
you look at me in the eye when you talk,
(25:44):
and like like you listen to what I have to say.
And I just also, Chicago's a very like working class
type of like midwestern city, so there's no separation from
for me, even like with the crew and stuff, So
it really does become very like I can talk to
those guys very easily. I know, I kind of understand
the way they they think, and then also like my
(26:05):
acting background allows me to have a certain type connection
with the actors and having done like produce my own stuff,
I feel like I have a certain understanding with the producer,
so that ability to like just move through those spaces
and be a bit of a chameleon, which you have
to be because like, yeah, the way I talk to like,
you know, the set decorator, it might be different from
the way that I talk to down about something, but
(26:26):
like I know how to like figure out how to
get what I need from both of them. And and
that's I think that's my superpower. Like also being able
to bullshit and like kick it down the line.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I think comes with talking to
It's very funny to be in an industry where we're like,
what's your superpower and you're like just like treating people
like human beings.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's not really welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I actually like I'm managing to make it, and I
really see more of that now.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Yeah, I think so, But I think like it's really
hard to undo something that's been trained within people. So again,
like for me, that's I didn't get I didn't go
to film school.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I did was an assistant.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Coming in so I had what I knew was like
I created stuff with people that I considered you know,
collaborators and friends, and so there's already a level of
respect there and so like, I don't there's no world
where I want someone coming onto my set and either
changing that energy or creating an energy where people are
like afraid or fe like they can't do their thing,
(27:27):
like we're about to like tie people off from ceilings
and have them fly, Like we need people to trust
each other, and there's nothing and I try to like
quiet the ego on set, which I think can happen
sometimes and as much as we can get that out
of the way as well, I think is always my goal.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I think that that's like such a great approach
to it. And kind of before we let you go,
like what was the moment, was there a moment where
you really felt like that led to something cool on set?
Like was there a moment when you kind of had
that conversation you spoke to people on a level and
then something you would directing a scene and you were like, oh, yeah,
like we got it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Like that's the thing I.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Always think about this.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I say that I think Dominique made me a better
director because she really we really built a trust with
each other. And I think sometimes like directors would just
say shit to say shit just because they feel like
they can't, like I can't notot give you a note,
so let me like go into that. And there was
one time when I don't I can't remember exactly what
it was, but I had like call cut and I
(28:26):
was like, I'm gonna and then I was like, actually,
just like let her rock a little bit, like let
her like let me see what she's doing. And I
kind and I let the scene play on and she
it was like what she had decided was was better
than what I had thought I was going to tell her.
And I don't think we would have gotten there if
one we didn't trust each other.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Two I would have ruined the shot by trying to
like fake something.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
And yeah, so I think sometimes it's like me having
to check myself, like there's a voice going on there
too of like does this need to be said?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like you know all these things.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I'm lucky because even my cinematographer, Antie Chang, we have
a long history as well, so there was just a
lot of trust that I think you absolutely need to
have going on going into a world like Marvel.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, we can't wait to watch the show. Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, come back anytime. This was great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I hope you guys really like it.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, we're SUPERSTI can't wait. Wait, you can't wait.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
On next week's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into more movies, more Ironheart coverage. That's it for news.
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Speaker 2 (29:37):
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very special interview with the director of Ironheart, Sam Bailey.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
News, Oh my baby, jest Anna, I'm rosday night, and
we'll go back to extract movie.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
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Speaker 3 (00:36):
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Weekly this week every Tuesday, Thursday, Rights and Today's.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
News it is news.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
In today's previously on episode, we are catching you up
on the biggest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Geek news of the week, including.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
A confirmation on who will be directing the X Men movie.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Can you believe that's even happening? I don't know. It's
twenty twenty eight, a real year. Unclear.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Also, we're gonna be talking about the super Man tracking.
How's that looking? And like we said, stick around for
that interview with Sam Bailey. She's a total joy and
directed the first three episodes of ironhaw.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
First up, Oh my god, it's happening.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
It's about happy years and really happening, real, it's real.
Comic Book Resources reports x Men movie locks down familiar
director as.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Marvel confirms return to four films a year now? Is
that is that four film?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Is it just twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
I think it might just be twenty twenty eight. That said, folks,
Jake Schreyer, the director of the wonderful Thunderbolts Asterisk, is
being seen as the top choice, it is reported, for
the new X Men movie that will launch the X
Men's the MCU. Your thoughts, Rosen, Yeah, I think you know.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
We kind of talked about this when it was first
rumbled rumored. I get it, you have a successful team movie.
Give it a try. I would love to see a
different set of eyes on the X Men, but I
think this is a safe set of eyes, a safe
directorial vision. I think that he showne knows how to
do a team movie. I think he's shown he knows
(02:17):
how to do a complex, emotional movie which does need
to be a center point for the X Men. And yeah,
if we're still here in twenty twenty eight, I'll be
excited to see that movie.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Interestingly, there also.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Adding they added the fourth movie at December fifteenth, and
I feel like a big Christmas MCU movie is not
something we've gotten. That's usually a Star Wars kind of placement.
We haven't gotten a Christmas MCU movie for a while,
so I'm interested to see what that Christmas MCU movie
will be me too.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Up next, folks, It's the summer of Superman, it really is,
and new tracking data has emerged. First National Research Group
has predicted that Superman domestic box office opening will be
in the range of one hundred and thirty five million
(03:09):
on average, with a kind of spread of one twenty
five to one forty five. I think that would be great.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
I mean that would be very very solid domestic opening. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Absolutely.
Speaker 4 (03:20):
They are definitely playing sefa at Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Now Warner Brothers internal and you know, the kind of
like steady leak of sourced reporting from inside Warner Brothers
over the last few weeks has been a lot of this.
Don't get your hopes up. There are some like editing issues.
(03:45):
There's been some concerns. We were concerned about the internal
polling that said ninety to one twenty five is which
is a large spread. Is the internal number from DC
and Warner Brothers according which is to say that's right,
All of which is to say lot writing on Superman,
(04:06):
and I think an opening of one thirty five would
be great.
Speaker 4 (04:09):
It would be great.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
I find this very interesting too, because the movie is
only coming out a couple of weeks before Fantastic Four,
and we are not hearing about those Fantastic Four tracking
numbers even though the tickets.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Are on sale. So I'm very interested to see where
that goes.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I think Superman, if it gets good word of mouth,
if people really need that hopeful kind of feeling in
their life right now, I think it could open to
like one hundred and eighty. But I think this is
solid tracking. If it opens to over one hundred million,
it's gonna be a big deal. Haven't had a lot
of superhero movies that have done that recently. And yeah,
I can't wait to see that movie. It looks great,
(04:42):
and I will say the press is on. They just
released a huge amount of James Gunn chats.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
He's talking about Batman. Don't worry, guys, it's not canceled.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
He's talking about his vision for you know what Batman
wal look like in the DCU.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Not campy.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And also another interesting tidbit from those apparently the question
of how Clark's glasses work will be answered in this
Superman movie. I wrote a pretty extensive piece over at
Den of Geek about the way the comics have explained
it over the years and how I think that that
might like tie into the more grounded version of James
(05:21):
Gun's DCU. But I want to see them explain the
glasses because no one ever does it on the screen.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So it's going to be funny to see.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Let's take a quick break, work and we're back. Okay,
So a lot of speculation right now. With Ironheart getting
(05:49):
ready to launch in a week. The Mephisto rumors just
will not go away. They will now never go Rosie,
there are for those inclined to believe it. There is
a way to interpret various social media posts and marketing
(06:09):
materials related to Ironheart to suggest that Mephisto will appear
in this Rosie take us Smith.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, So basically, they released we're going to get two
batches of episodes, very and or coded, except here there's
only six episodes, so it just going to be over
two weeks.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
This is different than what we first thought.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
We first thought it was going to be three and
then three weekly releases, but no, it's two chunks. First
chunk are take Me Home Episode one, Episode two will
the real Natalie Please Stand Up?
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And three we Endanger Girl.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Those are the ones directed by Sam Bailey, who are
going to be talking to after this.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
The second and final batch will drop the next.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Week, July first, My Birthday, and those episodes are titled
Bad Magic, Karma is a Glitch, and the Past is
the Past. The reason people are freaking out is Karma's
a glitch. The m in Karma as a glitch is
outlined in red. I would say, guys, does it look
like it could be teasing Mephisto. Yes, but it also
(07:07):
looks like it could be teasing maxim Off. It also
looks kind of like Wonder's headdress. So I'd say, let's
keep it open, Let's keep it wide.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
We'll see what happens.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
If it is Mephisto, me and Jason will be surprised,
but pleasantly so. And yeah, I think it's fun that
they're enjoying these kind of theories and this kind of
fang conversation. That's what keeps us excited. And I will
say that while I have not watched the entirety of
the season of iron Heart, I have seen a little
(07:39):
bit of it and it is really really good.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
So just be excited to try it out. Make sure
you check it out.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
And uh yeah, and then listen to our interview with
Sam Bailey coming up after this break.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
I kind of feel like, you know, M, there's a
mutant named Karma. We're also waiting on an X Men movie.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Yeah, and also like M.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Maximov, you know, that's very coded to not only wonder,
but also it could be about her dad Magneto, another
M you know, another Magnus. I think it's fun that
people are getting so excited, and this is the kind
of teasing that hopefully we'll get more eyes on this.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Completely agree, absolutely, Okay, let's go to our inview with Sandy.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sam, thank you so much for being on the pod.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
We're so stoked to have you here, and thank you
for having me. Yes, we're very excited. And one of
the questions.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
We always ask people, because this is a podcast that
began with our love of kind of comic books and stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
What's your origin story?
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Like, how did you gat from being baby Sam to
being successful film and TV maker Sam?
Speaker 6 (09:06):
Oh my gosh, it's kind of like I was gonna
say it was.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
It's a dark story, but it's related.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
But I'm from I'm from Chicago, born and raised, and
so I went to school for theater as an actor
and then kind of like decided that that wasn't really
giving me any type of power or anything.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
That I like really really wanted.
Speaker 6 (09:31):
I had all these like inputs and things that I
thought was important, and I wasn't being asked that. So
I started doing web series in that like era where
web series was like a thing and like broad City
had just happened and like all these other things like
That's when I started making my own versions of that.
And then I made a web series called Brown Girls
and that came out in twenty seventeen, and that kind
(09:53):
of like got me into.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Hollywood as we know it and into the system.
Speaker 6 (09:58):
Yeah, and then I just started directing TV because I
was like, I need to make money if I'm going
to do this.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
That's kind of my journey.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
In that journey. What was what was that transition like
from a web series to like you know, work for
hire in the actual entertainment system, And what was your
process like and has it changed as you've made that transition.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
That's a good question.
Speaker 6 (10:22):
I think like the transition was completely like it was,
it was another like I was on another.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Planet pretty much, is what Hollywood felt like to me.
Speaker 6 (10:33):
I went from like making things with the homies and
like trying to like figure out how to raise money,
and you know, some of those web series, the budgets
were like fifteen thousand dollars and then all of a sudden,
you're like working on television where that's like maybe a
lunch for a day.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 6 (10:48):
The budget that you're dealing with paper exactly exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
So it was very different.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
And I didn't come from like anywhere that had access
to those type of resources. So for me, it was
not It wasn't only just like a creative change.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
It was also like a class change or.
Speaker 6 (11:03):
A yeah and there like new like different class that
was very at times exciting and also in times at
times I'm like, this is like fucking insane, like just
kind of the way the system and the people within
it move. So I always have felt like an outsider
within Hollywood for that reason. But I don't think that
my process has changed other than the fact that it
(11:25):
has it includes so many more people, especially if you're
talking about like a Marvel thing, Like there's so many
people that like you have that you're collaborating with, and
so it's not just you and your heads and apartments,
which was what I was doing beforehand.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
I just have to make sure of me and like.
Speaker 6 (11:39):
My artistic collaborators were you know, happy with stuff, but
you know that has expanded when they added zeros.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
To Yeah, that's that's the way.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
And also, yeah, so you talk about like collaboration in
that community. You uh directed a music video for Shay
Lay and then Shake Calay is gonna be an Ian Hak.
So could you talk a little bit about how you're
making sure that even in this new space and big industry,
you're still kind of making those connections and bringing your
community in when you do these projects.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
Yeah, I've known Shae since we were eighteen.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
She's two weeks younger than me, and so like we
went to theater school together, so that's a long long friendship.
And Shae has like built a career in their own
right through drag race and through their music and through
like a lot of a lot of their performance history.
So when we were trying to cast this one role,
I just like threw the name out and that's kind
(12:36):
of what you don't have that much control over that,
but I was like, if I can just like, you know,
we're going to have all the actors that you're going
to call in or whatever, but also maybe like expand
what you're thinking of just a little bit and then
let like let them surprise you. And I think they
really did in a really like fantastic way. So for me,
it's like it makes it feel MAKEE feel a little
(12:57):
bit more like home, which reminds me of like when
I was creating in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
What can you tell this is coming out of course
ahead of iron Heart? What can you tell us to
get us ready for it? And what was your introduction
to the character?
Speaker 6 (13:12):
Like, Okay, so I all I knew of Ironheart was
that eviewing written, so like even, yeah, friend exactly, I
think she's like the smartest person like that most of
us know. Yeah, and she's she's from Chicago, so I knew,
(13:32):
Like I remember when I think she announced it, like
I just like, oh, that's dope, Like that's crazy that
she's kind of like going into the space. So it
was really you know when they called me about it
in twenty twenty or no, no, twenty twenty one, I'm.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Sorry, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (13:47):
Yeah, I was like I was like, wait, the comic
that you wrote, Like.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Like if I just couldn't wrap my head around it.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
So that was my like knowing of it that I
knew that like Eve really kind of imbued that character
with an emotional reality that I thought was really interesting
and nuanced and exciting. So yeah, when when they had
reached out to me about it, that kind of gave me,
you know, I wasn't really sure if I wanted to
keep doing TV at that point, but like this character
(14:14):
just seemed like it aligned in such a in such
a way that I was excited about it.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
How did it feel then to kind of like dig
in to Eve's work and read about re Re and
kind of get to connect with her on l level
as a kid from Chicago who's trying to make something,
who goes through a class change honestly by you know,
going to mit making this connection, wanting to make this
suit that can like you know, test with the billionaire
(14:40):
Tony Stock. So what was it like kind of digging
into to Rere and just enjoying her on like a
level as a creative and seeing what even and the
teamate done.
Speaker 6 (14:50):
I mean, it was it felt very aligned. Like I
really felt like I knew Reread. I think for similar reasons,
I had also like lost my mother when I was
eighteen and kept on in college, like I didn't stop.
So there were like these emotional like through lines that
I felt like really aligned with me, which is rare,
I think, and when you're getting like TV work, is
not often that you feel really connected to the characters
(15:11):
like that. And I think Eve just did like a
really beautiful job in terms of like exploring what that
feels like and like wanting to do all these things
and all be all of these things, but also like
carrying the weight of your community, carrying the weight of
what other people expect from you, understanding that you don't
have the same resources as the people around you, and
(15:32):
yet still wanting to kind of like be the best
version of yourself. And even more so, I would say
for Reread, I think she's even beyond the best version
of herself. Her ambitions are so are so large, and
so it was nice to kind of have that be
the foundation of at least my take on the show.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Like the reason why I wanted to do it was
that I was.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Like, oh, well, like in order to do Ironheart, to
do a series, if you're choosing to do that, then
you're gonna want to like be in her emotional arc
really give that nuance in time, and I felt like
really tied to that.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Yeah, what can you tell us about that emotional arc
for Reary in this series? What she's gonna be dealing with.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
I So I'm like trying to.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
I feel like we're you know, like where all the
laser net is there?
Speaker 4 (16:21):
I know, Yeah, between them? What's the log line, what's
the emotional line?
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (16:28):
So, I mean she it picks up right after the
events of Wakanda Forever, so you see her and she's
back on her bullshit at m I t kind of
like hustling, trying to like make money for her, for
her for her suits, and just like to live the
life that, you know. I think her time in Wakanda
was like traumatizing, exciting and also just like opened her
(16:51):
her her world in terms of what was possible, and
you would think in my Tea was already that, but
then going to Wakanda is like that on steroids. So
I think she comes back with a little bit of
like experience under her belt, and she feels a type
of way about that, and there's a little bit more
of a little chip on our shoulder like she deserves.
She feels like she deserves a certain amount of support,
(17:12):
and it's really difficult to navigate that space when that's
not happening.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
So she ends up back in Chicago.
Speaker 6 (17:18):
And then all those things that like you, you think
you've been kind of hiding away from you all of
a sudden like really having to face it. And so
she's really trying to figure out, like, in what ways
can she create and claim the amount of space that
she thinks she deserves, and at what cost she was
she doing.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
And she meets a bunch of people who are.
Speaker 6 (17:39):
Kind of all feel the same way, and they very
much feel like they're going to get what they deserve
by whatever means, maybe some nefarias means, and she kind
of she joins that group and then it but but
it does all come at a cost, and I think
she's navigating and struggling with like whether or not she's
ready to pay that cost.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
And I think that's it makes it really like interesting.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
It feels like it feels darker than I think the
comics were in this in this really interesting way because
she's a young woman, but she's not, like she's not
a child in this, and I think really allowing her
to kind of take up that messy, that messy space
that like you do in your early twenties and your
late teens, and I think like we rarely get to
see on that type of screen.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I think there's always like.
Speaker 6 (18:22):
This person's young person, so they're just like plucky and
like da da dada. And I'm like, that was not
at least my my eighteenth to twenty three years. It
was very messy and loud and heartbreaking and probably ego
driven at times, you know, and then constantly getting smecked
by the world and being humbled, and I think like
(18:44):
re Re really goes on that journey not just with
herself but with the other people around her who are
trying to love her in their own like unique ways.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
A lot of your TV Walk and obviously your web
series Walk is like very grounded, grounded in realism, grounded,
and like life. This definitely sounds and looks like it's
going to have that same element. But what was it
like for you to then build in those kind of
more sci fi magic kind of genre spaces.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
What was that balance?
Speaker 6 (19:13):
Like, I mean that was probably other than like Shay
showing up on set, that was probably like the most
fun that I had because you really get to like
build the world out because it hasn't been seen and
we were like building Chicago in Atlanta and what that
looks like? Wow, so it fell and then also doing
that like still at the height of the pandemic. So
(19:34):
there was like these all of these like ways of like, yes,
it's rooted in a level of groundedness, but are we
going to try to like artificially create Chicago or is
there like a version of this that can live a
little bit a little bit more an imagination you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
Know land, Yeah, like a magical realist Chicago.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, because like what I don't know like what
cities you guys are in, but the city's.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
Changed during that time, m for sure.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
Yeah. Yeah, it was really different for me to tell
a story about Chicago at that time in this world.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
But it was I had so much fun.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
I mean, me and the production designer Andrew Lindsay's like
we were really in it together, and he was so
smart and had all of these great ideas and it
was so cool to be able to bounce ideas off
of him and have him kind of elevated that whole team.
The art department was like amazing in that in that way,
and then you're like playing with stunts and like fighting,
(20:28):
and then you're going over to VFX and then you're
going on.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
You're like what the fuck did I get? Like? How
am I here?
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Like?
Speaker 3 (20:32):
What is this? What is this world? Sorry for the cursing.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
But that was.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Talk to us a little bit more about like the
stunts and the c GI side of things. As Rousie mentioned,
your stuff has generally been more grounded, although there's some
you know, not without action for sure, but you know
with Marvel comes at different level of immersion and a
different level of action. So what was that like?
Speaker 6 (21:04):
I mean, it was really it was really fun again,
like there was not. I mean, you have support, right,
There's always going to be somebody there to like figure out,
and we have a long like relatively compared to other shows.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
You have a long prep time.
Speaker 6 (21:18):
So we're talking like months of this and it's like
months of dumb and training, months of whoever else is
fighting that I will tell you that you know that
is in training and we're trying to figure out, Yeah,
lots of actors acting, and so we're trying to figure
out like the style of which the way we re
Revicee and reread is a like obsolutely like her stature.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
It's small, but.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
The suit is not and that has been really great.
And you know, the suit for us, a lot of
it was not CGI. I mean at least in the
first half, like we had a real like working suit
and it was so bad ass to like see that
show up during the camera test and all of that.
We're like, wow, this thing that we were we've all
kind of envisioned is really taking shape and you can
(22:03):
touch it, like, yeah, yeah, that was great. Other than that,
I mean, there wasn't there's like certain there are some
sequelces that are CGI, but again they were really like
built out with the VFX team and even like crystallize
as the time for the extra time that the series
took to make it look really to me quite impressive.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So yeah, I bet it must be such a fun experience.
I've gotten to be on a couple of those sets
and they're just like the size of them is quite can.
Speaker 4 (22:33):
Be quite imposing. So what does it feel like?
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know, you talked about your journey and this is
you're going to be able to tell them in therapy
right now, And I ask this question, but like, what's
it like for like baby Sam, like little Sam who
wanted to make stuff. How did it feel to, like,
now be in this space where you have made this
huge thing. You've made so many big TV shows, stuff
that people have heard of, but this is kind of
(22:56):
a next step. What was it like for you to
be there and kind of be like, whoa, I'm here,
Like I'm doing this, I'm making this story I align
with on this huge scale.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Oh yes, I mean I think for me, I think
multiple things were happening at the same time. One is
that like there was this like out of body experience
that you were doing that like all of a sudden,
you're like taken from Lockdown to Georgia and like a
black car and you're like, what the fuck and you
can't tell anybody Like That's the other thing is that
(23:26):
you're not really supposed to like talk to anyone about it,
so you're just in this kind of pod with the
cast and the crew and the heads of departments and
it's just all of y'all the entire time. And so
in that way, it kind of felt surreal, you know.
But also I.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Don't know, it's so interesting.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I don't know why I keep I don't go out
of my way to get like coming of age stories.
Speaker 3 (23:46):
It just keeps like happening to me.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
And in a way, I feel like maybe that's like
the universe trying to like you have to like heal
something of that. And so I felt like a great
sense of response disability one because it was from Chicago too,
because of like Dominique and Wayne to make sure she
felt supported and had everything that she needed because she
was like she had done movies, but she hadn't done TV.
And also be number one on the call sheet, like
(24:12):
she really held it down and I really felt like
we were partners.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
And that in that way on that phone on set.
Speaker 6 (24:18):
Yeah, So in a way it was like incredibly healing,
which is also incredibly like nuanced. It's not like everything
felt like roses every day. It was difficult, Like you
are like there's a level up. There's just like if
we just talk about the stamina needed to like to
film as long as we're filming, for to be in
prep with those people for as long as you are.
That's very different from anything indie or TV that I've done.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
M Yeah, directing is so fascinating because there's you know,
there's no manual for it. So much of you know,
Rosie and I having been around writing, having been around sets,
and knowing people, creative people, you know, so much of
the learning is learn as you do, you learn from
(25:01):
your collaborators. For you, what do you think your you know,
directing superpower is what is the thing that you lean
on the most when you've been making these transitions and
now here you are I'm about to drop iron heart.
What is the thing that you go back to as
kind of your home base skill.
Speaker 6 (25:23):
I think that I'm really good at talking to people
and just like seeing people in a really like human level,
which I didn't think was a superpower before I got
into Hollywood. But you'd be surprised, I think people are. Yes, Yeah,
I think I think people are always surprised that they're like, oh,
you look at me in the eye when you talk,
(25:44):
and like like you listen to what I have to say.
And I just also, Chicago's a very like working class
type of like midwestern city, so there's no separation from
for me, even like with the crew and stuff, So
it really does become very like I can talk to
those guys very easily. I know, I kind of understand
the way they they think, and then also like my
(26:05):
acting background allows me to have a certain type connection
with the actors and having done like produce my own stuff,
I feel like I have a certain understanding with the producer,
so that ability to like just move through those spaces
and be a bit of a chameleon, which you have
to be because like, yeah, the way I talk to like,
you know, the set decorator, it might be different from
the way that I talk to down about something, but
(26:26):
like I know how to like figure out how to
get what I need from both of them. And and
that's I think that's my superpower. Like also being able
to bullshit and like kick it down the line.
Speaker 7 (26:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which I think comes with talking to
It's very funny to be in an industry where we're like,
what's your superpower and you're like just like treating people
like human beings.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
It's not really welcome.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I actually like I'm managing to make it, and I
really see more of that now.
Speaker 6 (26:54):
Yeah, I think so, But I think like it's really
hard to undo something that's been trained within people. So again,
like for me, that's I didn't get I didn't go
to film school.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
I did was an assistant.
Speaker 6 (27:06):
Coming in so I had what I knew was like
I created stuff with people that I considered you know,
collaborators and friends, and so there's already a level of
respect there and so like, I don't there's no world
where I want someone coming onto my set and either
changing that energy or creating an energy where people are
like afraid or fe like they can't do their thing,
(27:27):
like we're about to like tie people off from ceilings
and have them fly, Like we need people to trust
each other, and there's nothing and I try to like
quiet the ego on set, which I think can happen
sometimes and as much as we can get that out
of the way as well, I think is always my goal.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, I think that that's like such a great approach
to it. And kind of before we let you go,
like what was the moment, was there a moment where
you really felt like that led to something cool on set?
Like was there a moment when you kind of had
that conversation you spoke to people on a level and
then something you would directing a scene and you were like, oh, yeah,
like we got it.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Like that's the thing I.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
Always think about this.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
I say that I think Dominique made me a better
director because she really we really built a trust with
each other. And I think sometimes like directors would just
say shit to say shit just because they feel like
they can't, like I can't notot give you a note,
so let me like go into that. And there was
one time when I don't I can't remember exactly what
it was, but I had like call cut and I
(28:26):
was like, I'm gonna and then I was like, actually,
just like let her rock a little bit, like let
her like let me see what she's doing. And I
kind and I let the scene play on and she
it was like what she had decided was was better
than what I had thought I was going to tell her.
And I don't think we would have gotten there if
one we didn't trust each other.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Two I would have ruined the shot by trying to
like fake something.
Speaker 6 (28:49):
And yeah, so I think sometimes it's like me having
to check myself, like there's a voice going on there
too of like does this need to be said?
Speaker 3 (28:58):
Like you know all these things.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
I'm lucky because even my cinematographer, Antie Chang, we have
a long history as well, so there was just a
lot of trust that I think you absolutely need to
have going on going into a world like Marvel.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Well, we can't wait to watch the show. Thank you
so much for joining us.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
Yeah, come back anytime. This was great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I hope you guys really like it.
Speaker 4 (29:20):
Yeah, we're SUPERSTI can't wait. Wait, you can't wait.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
On next week's episode of X ray Vision, we're diving
into more movies, more Ironheart coverage. That's it for news.
Thanks for listening.
Speaker 4 (29:30):
Bye.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsi Young and
Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kolefman.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Our supervising producer is Abu Safar.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Fay Wack.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi Our Discord moderate them
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