August 26, 2024 • 44 mins
The final season of Umbrella Academy, the Netflix original, is here. Rosie and Joelle bid farwell to this beloved series, featuring an interview with one of the stars of the show, David Castañeda! Stick around after the interview for a Backmatter of recommendations that will help fill the umbrella shaped hole in our hearts, left after the finale of this series.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning, this episode contains mild spoilers, probably for the Umbrella
Academy TV show and some other series that we will
be recommending, including spoiler alert, Legion, Misfits, Magicians, A Death Note,
(00:21):
and Shadow and Bone, So if you haven't watched those shows,
go in with that in mind. But we probably won't
be delving too deep into any really bad spoilers, and
they're all great shows, so you should go and watch them.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello, my name is Rosie Knight, and don't all a
nique oh wow, And.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep, deep, deep,
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Where we are at iHeartRadio, bringing you two episodes every week,
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
You are really lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In today's episode, in the previously on, Rosie and I
are gonna chat about the impact of Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Then we've got a.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Great interview with Umbrella Academy's David Kestenada, and finally we'll
be in the back matter recommending some shows you should
watch if you enjoyed Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But first previously on.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I kind of can't believe Umbrella Academy is over. It's
one of those shows. I know it hasn't been on
as long as Stranger Things, but we've had it for
so long and it's had such a journey. Like I
remember when they announced their like Driidway's comic book, a
smash Hit is gonna be a Netflix TV show. I said,
how are they gonna do this? You need a lot
(02:00):
of young actors who are super talented. It's so like
edgy and kind of goth. I wonder if that'll hit
on a larger scale audience. And man, but that first
season hit, it hit big. People were instantly obsessed.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. I think this was one of those ones where
Netflix said it was like forty five million households had
watched it in the first month of release, which back
in twenty nineteen was actually a lot. Now we're getting
these even crazier numbers. But yeah, I mean, I think
part of the reason The Umbrella Academy feels like it's
been on for so long is because it did hit
in February twenty nineteen, and five years later, you know,
(02:33):
we're getting the finale and we've lived through many, many
unprecedented experiences since then, We've lived through like ten years
of history in that five years, so I think it
feels like it's been around with us for such a
long time. I mean, Anklet got six Emmy nominations along
the way too, Like it really did become a big hit,
(02:54):
And yeah, it was great that they adapted something so
fantastical by Jared Way the artist Gabriel Barr, who I
just absolutely adore, And basically, in case you haven't watched it,
I'm going to tell you should probably have watched it
if you're listening to this, but in case you haven't,
it's about a kind of old universe where on a
certain day, children are born all around the world with superpowers,
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and a shady man goes around and find these children.
His name is Sir Reginald Hargreaves, goes around October first,
nineteen eighty nine, and basically like buys the children from
their families. He manages to get hold of seven of them,
and then he creates this superhero team known as the
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Umbrella Academy. But what's different about this is this is
a dysfunctional family. This is what if the X Men
was real, Like how would it actually impact you to
be raised like someone like Charles Xavier. So yeah, it's
really just like a really impactful, interesting kind of love
letter to comics and superheroes and strangeness by Gerard Way
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and then adapted for Netflix. And yeah, it's very interesting
and it has recently come to a close in what
was quite a divisive season. But Juelle, what was like
your biggest takeaway from Umbrella Academy and its impact?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Man, they Okay, first, it gave us Robert Sheehan, who
I will follow off a cliff. I hope that they
find many many more parts for Robert over the years
where he can.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Be I'm gonna bless you with Misfits.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, yes, yes, I'm very excited to get into Misfits
and the joys of that. I really like this actor.
I love Klaus and like very class obsessed, so that
was really delightful. I also really appreciate the way this
show evolved with Elliott Page, like when he was publicly transitioning,
which I can't even imagine. You know, He's had such
(04:53):
a long career in the spotlight to transition public like
that has to be a very daunting experience. Given our
current cultures approach to trans folks, it's really you know,
it's a lot and the shows like just embraced him
with open arms. They went back and they changed all
of the early credits so that his name was accurately portrayed,
his character was allowed to transition in a very natural way.
(05:15):
They didn't make that a plot point, thank goodness. They
were all like he all the siblings feel the exact
same way they did before, and we're moving forward. And
it was really nice as a fan and as a
viewer to have that experience and to know that that's
sort of a blueprint out there for other shows in
the future.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You don't have to get.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Rid of a character or put them through some kind
of trauma or change who they are as a being.
You can just adjust the agenda and move forward. And
I thought that was really beautiful. So Legacy the show
he's behind.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That definitely was a really radical moment. I also think
that this is a great show when you talk about
a show that learned and moved forward as it went.
They listened to kind of audience critiques, but not in
a way that was to do with fans. But I
think a lot about Ben played by you know, Justin
(06:05):
h Minn, who's so fantastic, and Ben died and a
lot of people talked about how he wasn't necessarily very
well developed character, how they'd kind of pushed him to
the side as an Asian American character. So they just
bought Ben back, and they have multiple different versions of Ben,
and they recognized that Justin h Minn was like a
vital part of this cast, and I thought that was
(06:27):
a really cool way that they did that. I also
love Reto Aya as Leli. I think she's like one
of my favorite characters. Yeah introduced in the show. I
thought she was so fantastic. I mean, I just I'm
a sucker. We've talked about this recently on the Alien
Romulus podcast. We'll be talking about more in our back mouth.
But I just love a show with like kids trying
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their best, especially if they're like fucked up kids. So
every time I would watch The Umbrella Academy or I
would get asked to cover it, I would just end
up feeling like a lot of love for these characters,
and I think that will be the ultimate takeaway. And
I also think that people love the characters so much
that I think That's why with the ending of the
season and the choice that they made of how to
(07:10):
end it, I think that's why people were so affected
by it and why it became such a conversation start,
because people do love these characters.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, listen, the show knew how to bring the drama.
It balanced for the most part really well, both traveling
across different dimensions and time and space, which is really
a challenge to do. I think another highlight of the
show that doesn't get talked about enough is their ability
to cast like secondary characters, Like if you think about
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the secondary Megan Moll, Lally, Nick Offerman, Kate Walsh, Genesis Rodriguez,
David Cross, Mary and Ireland.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The list is it's long. Mary j.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Blige was in season one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's what I was gonna say. Also, like this season,
when you know they did the Sparrows, I thought they
did so Yeah, good stuff. Also, one of my favorite
actors who I discovered during the American remake of this
weird British show called Utopia, which came out a very
bad time, during the most badly time, during the pandemics,
So most people didn't watch it because it was about
(08:14):
how vaccines were evil, but Javonne Woner Walton was in
that show and he's so unbelievable And they brought him
on in season three basically as a kid like posing
as Diego and Leela's son, and he is so good,
Like I will watch him in anything. I think people
most know him now. He was in Euphoria. Yes he
(08:35):
played Ashtray, but he is like just so unbelievably fantastic.
And that was another time where like when he popped up,
I was just like, oh, like they know what they're doing,
like they they are whoever is casting this show. The
casting director is legit, like so unbelievably powerful, and I
think is a large part of why the show has
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been so popular.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna miss it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I really enjoyed it while we had it, but I'm
looking forward to seeing you know, Netflix is a space
that's very near and dear to Netflix's heart, this sort
of nerd youth space. They've done a lot of whores,
think about your sabrinas, your Wednesdays. So it's a space
right for new inventions. So while we will miss Umbrella Academy,
it's still on Netflix. You can go back and enjoy
(09:23):
it and all of it's glory. Stick around after this break,
we're going to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
With David Castanada. We're very excited.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He was so generous with his time, so yeah, stick out,
we'll hear at that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Hey, David, how's it going. Thank you so much for
joining me today.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, thanks for having me, Rosie. It's going great.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, it's an absolutely, it's a delight. I'm so excited
to talk to you. We're huge fans of Umbrella Academy here,
so just really delighted to dig into the final season.
When we usually interview people here, we kind of asked them, like,
what's your origin story? Like if you were a comic
book character, what's your origin story, Like, what was the
thing that drove you to acting? What was the thing
(10:20):
that made you who you are?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I mean, I think what drove me was I think
there was a lot of shifting when I was growing up.
There was a lot of a lot of moving around.
I got to live in many, many households before I
moved to Mexico when I was seven yees seven years old,
(10:43):
and so I think the origin was more so about
trying to fit in, you know, trying to understand what
my surroundings were, and that's sort of becoming sort of
a superpower where I could show up to room and
sort of digest it and very quickly sort of understand
(11:06):
the rules of the room. And that was something that
I very much was very acute too, especially you know,
even when I came back to move to live in
the US in two thousand and four, two thousand and three,
and and you know, in terms of acting, that's sort
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of what acting is.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's why I was going to say, Yeah, it
sounds like it would be a very useful skill as
you kind of embarked on your career.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah. I mean, it's sort of if you show up
to a set, you know, you take in the set,
you take in the scene, you take in your scene partners,
and then you sort of just go from there and
you start you start realizing, Okay, what's my role in
this in the entire space that I'm that I'm in
right now. And I don't know if that's a true
(11:56):
superhero origin story, but it definitely was a power that
I was able to sort of nurture as I as
I got older.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean that sounds really unique. And also as well,
I could imagine it's very useful on a show like
Umbrella Academy where you're building relationships that go on for
you know, seasons. Yeah, and trying to So what's it
been like going on that journey, you know, getting cast
as Diego, filming the first season and kind of growing
(12:27):
in this space of a found family show to actually
continue that journey with those actors as a family for
you know, four seasons.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, it sort of feels like you're going to school,
you know, you start off freshman year, no one really
knows each other. You're you know, you're kind of trying
to you know, test the waters. You want to relate
to them. But also you understand that everyone is from
all over the world, you know, from different cultures and backgrounds,
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and so as as I can't relate to certain cultures like,
for example, like Robert Sheehan's culture, you know, but as
the years go by, there is a relatability because now
we have the show to sort of fall back on,
and being able to form friendships was something that you know,
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it took, it became more organic because when we first
came into the first season, because no one knew who
you know, we had never met there was this sort
of awkward pace within all of us and we were
trying to get to know each other. But it works
so well with the show. And as the show progressed
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to the second season the third season, you sort of
started seeing everyone sort of jail and that was instinctually
what we were doing as actors within our own dynamics
outside of the scenes.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, and what does it feel like now to kind
of the show was returning after two years and it's
the final season, Like, how does it feel as an
actor to have crafted a character like Diego and taken
him from that awkward first season to this kind of
final part of his story.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I mean, it's better sweet. It's better sweet because once
you sort of get the groove of the whole of
the of the character. I've been very lucky that the
writers and the creator, Steve Blackman, has sort of allowed
me to to sort of or it just sort of
seems things inside of me to feel like, oh, you know, actually,
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Diego isn't He's more likable than not, so let's let's
add these things. And also there's a there's a comedy
within his seriousness that let's let's let's dive into that
and and so the changes in Diego's personality through the
seasons has been such a wonderful surprise that it didn't
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it wasn't just stale playing the same thing over and
over again. And I don't know if I'll ever get
that opportunity to do something like that, but I do
feel very proud that that this character and the story
and also the all of these characters exists now on
Netflix that people can go and watch and can enjoy
(15:18):
with like the entire family. Because that's I think that's
the biggest compliment that I've gotten with people, is like
adults will come up to me and say, you know,
this is the only show I watch with my kids.
You know, we all have our own separate shows. I
don't watch their shows, they don't watch my shows. But
this is the only show that we all get together
and we binge. And that's a massive compliment because I'm
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you know, it's obviously because it's all about the dysfunction
of the family. Yeah that I don't know. I mean,
you know, I'm a big family guy, so I you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It brings people together. That's you know, We're lucky, like
with this show, doing this show with comic books and
comic book TV and stuff. I get a lot of
moms who message me and they go, oh my god,
we listened to this, you know, with my I listened
to this with my kid. And that's and then we
like read the comic books together and we watch the shows.
So it is like a very special feeling, right to
(16:11):
know that you're making something that kind of bridges that gap.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I was just going to say, like, so that's a
part of this that I guess is again different from
other TV shows, is this is a there's a very
active fandom with Umbrella Academy, with the comics, you know,
it's that kind of comic con show. What's it been
like to get those responses, to get people kind of
telling you about what the show means to them.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, I think of in sort of like, you know,
when you get a compliment, you know, we're so we're
so easy to like take in a criticism over a compliment,
and and that's that's been able. I've been able to
try to sort of you know, rewire my brain and
trying to take in when someone really appreciates the show
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and take it for what they mean, it for what
they mean by it because when the show first came out,
I didn't I mean, I don't think many of us
thought that it was going to be what it was
going to be. We sort of were just kind of
just I mean, at least for me, I just needed
a job. And then as as the seasons progress, and
you know, obviously as the season progressed, and like you know,
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second season, we were in lockdown. So there wasn't like
a lot of interaction with live interaction with people saying,
oh I love the show. It was more so just
online that I got to see, like oh man, like
this is wow. People are really being affected by this
in a positive way. I did get one experience where
like someone did ask me to write my signature on
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their body because they said they were going to get
a tattooed on that and I said no, I was like,
I'm not doing that. And then and then they showed me,
which is so funny. They showed me Robert she Han's
signature on their forearm and they said, look, Renal Klaus
did it too, And I was like, well, if Klaus
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did it, will give me that pen and I signed.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
My You're like, of course I have to.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah. When he did it. I was like, I guess
I have to do it now. I was like, yeah, sure,
I don't want. I don't want just Robert she Hen's name.
I didn't put David in there too. There you go,
you know, but that was Yeah, that was a pretty
wild one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
People willing to kind of have that on their body
forever because of how much they love the show is
kind of the ultimate compliment.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, as much as they enjoyed it. I mean, this
show did change everything in my life and I'm very
grateful for so, I know I can relate to their uh,
you know, gratitude towards it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, and how you kind of touched on this, but
like especially in the new season, and this will drop
when the new season is out, so we can kind
of talk a little bit about it. But that comedic
element of Diego is really there, and you kind of
get to explore this other side of him. Six years later,
he's this dad. He's listening to Baby Shock and the
Van like he loves the mini van. Could you talk
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a little bit about getting to play with that and
kind of craft this different side.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, Rosie, it tells me that you've seen a few episodes.
I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, good Yeah, I'm lucky. I've
seen it. I've seen I loved I've seen six. Yeah,
I thought it was like perfect. Oh really, I'm a
huge fan. Yeah, I adored it. I thought it was
I mean, it might actually be the best season honestly.
Oh man, there's something about it that just seeing everyone
back together and kind of the journeys everyone gets to
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go on is really special.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Well that's really nice, Rosie. I appreciate I've only seen three,
so you're way ahead of me on this.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, which is so funny. Obviously, you know, I got
to read other scripts and do the whole thing. But
I feel like Diego's realization, or at least what he
I mean, I think a lot of the effort that
was put into this was like, you know, the grass
is never greener on the other side, And I think
I think Diego's sort of idea because it's you know,
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he's missing his powers, you know, and he's sort of
in the space of resentment and and and he's trying
his best to be the best dad and the best husband,
but he's failing miserably, especially being a spouse, and so
he obviously believes it's you know, so much care goes
into his ability to be a dad that he's forgetting himself.
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You know, he's forgetting really he's sort of stuck at
this idea, I have to be a superhero. If not,
I'm not defined, but I'm sort of worthless. But his journey,
it's not so much of like, oh, you look how
amazing your family is and your wife and all these things.
But I think his biggest thing was like he just
forgot to honor himself and to really discover who he
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is aside from the powers. And I think that's sort
of the I guess underneath all the comedy, you know,
that sort of what drives him in the season of
like just he's trying to find himself, you know, with
the FBI thing and the whole I mean to me,
that was probably one of the funnest things, you know,
working with Tom Hopper and doing those little gags between
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Luther and Diego. I never I never get old, I know,
I never get tired of doing anything with that.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Guy, you know, mm hmmm, yeah. I Mean the relationships
that you guys kind of craft on the screen feel
so organic and it feels you know, as soon as
you said, oh, Robert Sheehan, you know had done the tatto,
Klaus had done it. I was like, well, of course
you have to do it. You know, that comes across
that kind of friendship. And obviously with a lot of
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that you're doing it's Diego and Laila. Yeah, this season
and kind of building this kind of really complex I
think as well for a lot of viewers, I mean,
because of Lockdown, because of the way TV how long
it takes to get made. The show has been going
on for a while, and I think there's probably gonna
be a lot of people who when they watched that
first season, they were more of that awkward young adult
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and now they probably do have kids, you know, and
you're getting to see that reality of like Diego and
Leila together and what does it really mean? And she's
running around in the leggings and the ug boots and
you're trying to get the birthday cake. Could you talk
a little bit about playing that kind of side of it.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well, I mean one thing that I will say when
you talk about, you know, people growing with the show,
I have I have seen like comments or messages of
like people saying like I was a freshman in high
school and now I'm I'm.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
A junior in college, and I'm like, it blows my mind.
And the and the sort of the length that it
takes for us to finish the show, from the moment
we you know, come into production to the moment and
actually premieres. It is like almost like a two year things.
It's such a long and just stating a sort of process.
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But you know, working with with you know, Ritch to
ritu Aria, you know, it was a gem. You know,
it was it was lovely to sort of because you know,
she was game for anything, you know, when we were
working and so and obviously I'm open to anything that
she would throw on me because she's super talented. And
so when we got to that state of okay, we're
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going to be these disgruntled parents that are sort of,
you know, never really liking each other, you know, we're like, okay,
we'll lists lean into that. You know, what is that?
How do you find that? And I think the more
you lean into it, the funnier it gets. And and
I mean, I'm not here to speak about anyone's relationship
or anyone's marriage, but I think there's a lot of
qualities in there that a lot of people can see
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in themselves of how they you know, the dynamics within them,
and you know, and the humor in it also.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I think it's that there is a lot
of humor in like the mundanity of just like trying
to live your life, you know, and obviously in a
superhero show you don't always get to explore that, but
here we kind of do. Whether it's you know, Alison
doing trying to just audition audition, or there's actually like
a normality we get in those first couple of episodes
before of course, everything kind of blows back.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I mean the second the second episode to me is
my I mean, it's obviously it starts with a bank.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, okay. So what I'll ask you then, is, seeing
as it's the we're coming to the end, you know,
of the show, what are your next plans? Like what
are you most excited to do, like leaving Diego behind?
What is David?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Oh? I mean I want to direct, you know, I
want to direct. Obviously, there's there's there's some projects in
terms of acting that I'm I'm you know, very excited
to start and some that I've already finished and are
going to come out next year. But in terms of
just like for my own selfish journey, yeah, I'm like,
I'm I'm really I'm really close to finishing my first
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feature in terms of my my wow and so you know,
getting that off the ground and you know, getting cameras
up and cameras rolling. I feel like that's going to be,
you know, coming very very soon.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, thank you so much for joining us. Congrats on
Umbrella Academy, and good luck with everything that comes next.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Thank you, Rosie, I appreciate. Hopefully I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back, and we are back.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Thanks David. That was a great interview.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We really liked Social Love you a warm human being.
Now we're headed into the back matter to make some recommendations.
So we were thinking, you know now that there is
this gap in our young people try their hardest in
a school or found family situation.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
We decided specific niche listen. It's specific but strong. There's
a lot of content here, so we.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Decided to take a look back at some shows we
liked in the genre and mix some recommendations. If you
need to fill this space while on Netflix is cooking.
So Rosie, you you had oh, you were popping off
with ideas.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Where do you want to set it?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I love this I'm going to start with Misfits because
it is where Robert Sheehan got his start. I absolutely
love this show. It's an old British TV show, and
I can say it's old now, fine, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's not I was just started in college.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm no baby, baby that was fifteen years ago. Sixteen
years ago, my pal. So basically, it's a show about
a group of young offenders who are sentenced to do
community service where and while they're doing it there is
a strange storm and they gain superpowers. Right now, this
(26:49):
is like literally comes out one year after The Dark Night,
one year after Iron Man, so it was in production
kind of before them, so you get a pre emcu vision.
It is exceptionally working class. It has an unbelievable cast.
It has Nathan Stewart Jarrett who's an absolutely fantastic actor.
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He plays Curtis. It has Iwan Rian who plays Simon
Bell and Me who would go on to Game of Thrones.
It has Lauren Sosha as Kelly Bailey, Antonia Thomas as
Alisha Daniels, Robert she and is Nathan Young and as
we get later into the season, they are it's another
show with brilliant casting. We get to see Joseph Gilgan,
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who people know from Preacher. He's in here. And basically
the thing that's really cool about this is powers that
they get are all kind of directly related to who
they are. So there is when it comes to somebody
like Alisha, she's very beautiful, so her power is an
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awful power, which is anytime anyone touches her, they just
become obsessed with her and they want to fuck her now.
And it's like this kind of horrific existential power. And hilariously,
Robert's character, Nathan, he kind of doesn't have a power,
or he does, but he doesn't know it. And I
will say I was. Me and my friend Bianca have
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both been rewatching this, and Bianca to point out a
good thing that I think is worthwhile to bring up here.
This is definitely dated in that it has a casual
use of like certain like slus, not like terrible slus,
but that kind of like don't teens use slus? Like
isn't that what they do? Isn't that edgy, and this
was from an era of like Skins. It's from the
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same TV Shows channel as Skins, so it definitely is
a little bit dated in that way. But generally I
do still think it's one of the best superhero shows
ever made. There are some truly horrific, weird episodes. There's
an episode with a character who can control the lactose
in people's bodies that to this day is one of
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the most scary episodes of TV I've ever seen. There
are fantastic long term arcs here. The kids are also
It's rare that you get to see a bunch of
working class kids trying to make their way. They have
to contend against the parole officer and also kind of
the shenanigans of other people who've gotten these powers. I
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will also say that Elisha Simon arc is still one
of my favorite arcs in any series for a pair
of characters, and it was very hard for me when
I went on to play you know, Ramsey Bolton one
of the worst villains of all time and that would
obviously define him forever, when Simon is just such a
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fantastic character in my opinion. But yeah, I love Misfits.
I would definitely recommend it. I believe there may have
been an American remake or talks of an American remake.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
My recommendtion. Okay, fantastic news. When I used to write
about Misfits, it was never streaming anywhere. It was impossible
to find. But now, thanks to the joys of streaming,
you can watch it free on Peacock, you can watch
it free on Amazon, you can watch it free on
Pluto TV. You watch it on Disney Plus, which seems
exceptionally strange because it is so out there, a lot
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of sex, a lot of swearing. But yeah, I think
if you are a Robert Sheham fan like us, if
you are a fan of kids with superpowers, if you
want to watch a show that's gonna feel totally different
to anything else that you've seen, Misfits is that show.
So that's my first recommendation.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, I'm going to pick it up with one of
my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's The Magicians.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
If you are no longer allowing yourself to participate in
the horror show that is JK.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Rowling, but you miss your magical world of.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Uh chass, Yes, yes, your magical schools of chaos and hope.
Uh do I have a show for you? It requires
you to be an adult to view it, not four children. Yes,
but what if your magical beings were American and they
were in grad school.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Suddenly everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's super sexy, it's murdery, it's got so much trauma.
But because your showrunners are Sarah Gamble and John McNamara,
you're in good hands. You probably know Sarah Gamble's work
more from you. If you missed The Magicians, you was
her next big project. You see how she handles a sabby,
stabby murder. Some of you are in love with him.
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That's not Sarah's fault. She's trying to tell you that's
a bad person.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. It has a
lot to do with pem Bagley. He's a good at
playing like a a.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wed murderer and he's fine as hell. Listen, she casts well,
she casts beautiful people.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So namara wrote Trumbo if you're a person who really
likes old school Hollywood cinema and the political dramas, he
nailed that. But then he also wrote on Super the
Lowest and Clark the Avengers of Superman.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
So he's oh my god, I have read.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I watched that show quite religiously. It's now streaming. Deankane sucks.
But I ignore that because to me, that is where a
lot of my format of Superman feelings came from. But
I think you've got a great recommendation here. I really
love the Magicians. I got to visit the Magicians set
a couple of times, early days of TV writing, and
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this is a great what if you know Hogwarts was
grad school. There's sex, there's queerness, there's murder. And also,
don't be dismayed. We know people who listen to this show.
You love an inclusive cast, you love a diverse class.
The main in character of this show is essentially a trick.
You're not sees to like him. That is not really
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your main in character, and the people around him are
what make the show special, as well as the inner
workings and politics of this secondary world of magic. Who
are the hedge witches? Who are the people who can't
get a school? Yeah, it's a system. What is the
class system in a world where magic exists? And how
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do we define who's allowed to use it? I do
think this is such a fantastic cool recommendation and also
has a lot of fun metatext about like what if
a book that you read as a kid was actually
real life.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yes, it really engages with the fandom, and I think
the show looked out by cast. The main group of
people you follow around the school and through this universe
are so connected with the fandom.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They were really.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Engaging at all of your comic con conventions on the socials,
like they cared about this show.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They loved it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And there are many musical episodes if you're a musically
inclined person, as I am so much singing, and it's
all delightful and fun. A great rewatch too. If you
haven't seen it in a couple of years, maybe you're like,
let me revisit the It's fabulous, an underly perfect show.
Shout out to every summar Tella mave icons Argent Gupta
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such a sweetheart of me too, She's really wonderful and
like Hale Applebomb, I'm sorry, Hal Appleman as Elliott easily
one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Episode character of the show.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I feel like agreed agreed, yeah, that everyone was sort
of an Elliott stand for reasons that become immediately apparent
as soon as you've been watching the show. Oh and
then of course Jay Taylor let me not forget the
great she is so lovely as well.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
So yeah, check out the magicians. What's our next wreck?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Next wreck is going to be We're going to go
for an anime because I feel like we're always trying
to get more people to listen who listen to the
show to watch anime, I'm gonna go for Death Note. Yes,
if you're a fan of the darker aspects of Umbrella Academy,
if you're a fan of the strangeness, the weird, magical
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aspects of powers, how do they work? Who gets them?
Are they evil? Are they good? Death Note is definitely
a fantastic show for you. It's also a great starter
anime because it's super engaging. It's based on the manga
which was also a smash hit by Oh I Can
(35:17):
Remember Oh by Sugomi Ahoba and Takashi Abata, and it
is about a student called Light Yagami. He's a genius.
He discovers a mysterious notebook which is called the Death Note,
and it once belonged to a demon called Riuk. And
if you write somebody's name in the death note. Then
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they die, and while it might sound slightly different to
Umbrella Academy vibes, wise, you quickly learn that there are
other death notes, there are other people using them. We
also get an iconic detective character in the form of El,
who's a student who wants to stop the murders that
Light is committing. It's a great cat and mouse story.
It's a fantastic murder mystery entry point for anime, and
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it's got very similar kind of dark goffy emo vibes
to Umbrella.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
There are school uniforms involved.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You can check it out good schools.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Check out death Note. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
What's our next pick?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Joelle? Legion? Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Because of the controversial ending of Umbrella Academy and because
of the time travel space woo wu kind of vibes,
Legion's a good select. If you're missing Umbrella Academy, you
can debate and ending all over again. It is one
of the most beautiful TV.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Shows of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Like from a production standpoint, yes, from a cinematography standpoint,
From a special and visual effects standpoint like, this show
really firing on all cylinders. It gives you your superhero
aspects this is the son of Charles Xavier slight spoiler alert,
but this is a very old comic, So here we go. Basically,
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you start with him in mental institute. You're trying to
figure out why he's there. Mysteries abound, found families occur,
there are betrayals, so much drama.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's extremely surreal and strange and abstract. Also very interesting
historical document because this was made when Fox was still
its own separate company and when Disney had been vying
to get the rights back to The X Men. But
there was an interesting period where this and The Gifted
got made, which were two ex memb related TV shows
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that Fox had never been able to make before. So
Legion exists in this very interesting place. There also incredible
cost Aubreyor.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Is here, Gene Smart is.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Here, Jermaine Clement, and obviously our main character is played
by legendary weirdo character player Dan Stevens, who we just
absolutely adore, and yeah, like what this is a total ride.
I will also say, if you are someone who has
followed Umbrella Academy and you were maybe dismayed with the
bleakness of the ending, but you were intrigued by it,
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how did that make you feel. Then I will say
Legion is another show for you. It's a show that
was not afraid of upsetting its audience or changing the
perspective through which we've looked at the show. So definitely
worth checking out.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, and finally we have Shadow and Bone another.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Netflixha oh baby.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Netflix has really been killing it with Okay, you know what,
I'm going to do a duo. You're actually gonna get
two here because I do love Shadow and Bone. I
love Shadow and Bone. It's fantastic. It has Archie Renault,
who has recently seen in the wonderful Alien Romulus that
we really enjoyed. He played Tyler. It is a fantastic
adaptation of Lee Bardigo's books. It melds her Shadow and
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Bone series with her Six of Crows series, which were
tangentially connected, but here you get them at the same time.
The Six of Crows series is widely seen as the
more superior series. It's I love both, but it's a
fantastic heist. It's about criminals, it's about kids trying to survive,
and she don't. Bonus set in a world where magic
exists and there are essentially magical armies and if you
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are able to do magic. You end up in a
special army that's led by a magical, hunky, sexy, mysterious man.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Sign me up.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And our main character Alena, Oh my god, why I
like read these books like.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Fifty millis I understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We are getting old. Okay, So Alena. Yes, our main character,
Elena Starkoff, she is She discovers that she has this
massive magical power that could help them rid the world
of this villain called the Darkling, and she has pulled
along into this magical fantasy world where people have powers
(39:57):
and they're a magical creature and there is essentially a
wizard war occurring. It's absolutely delightful. I think the show
is fantastic. It got canceled off to two seasons, which
is heartbreaking. The cast is brilliant, it's diverse, it's interesting,
and I think it is a great pick if you
are looking for that found family, magical aspect. But as
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I was saying, as we were talking about Netflix and
that you're getting a two fire, I was thinking about
my brilliant friend Abby White, who is a fantastic writer, critic,
advocate for disabled writers. They're just generally fantastic and They
pointed out that, you know, Netflix is so great at
doing these ya stories right, and that reminded me as
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you brought that up that actually, I think if you
love the Umbrella Academy, definitely watch Shadow and Bone because
I love it and I love fantasy. But if you're
really looking for the Umbrella Academy vibes and you've got
a Netflix account, you got to watch their Boy Detectives.
That is so queer, so strange, so funny, so magical.
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It's about two boys who are dead and they are detectives.
Gay has this one of them is gay, and it
has this fantastic camaraderie at the center, and it is
about a found family and it is about the mysteries
of your past and overcoming your trauma. And it shares
a lot in both esthetic and vibes with Umbrella Academy.
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So both of those are on Netflix. If you are
on Netflix Viewer and you are missing Umbrella Academy, once
you've done your rewatch of your favorite episodes, I would
say both of those are great picks.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Dead Boy Detectives also has strong witchy vibes, which is great.
They have an anime girly who's like really weird and fun.
She's so Then and then it highlights one of my
favorite things, which is like your adolescent besties who essentially
become your family in the same way like if you're
a person who habitually watches friends for the comfy vibes.
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This has elements of that, where you're like, they're best
friends and they'll never betray each other. Look at how
look at their love. It's so real. Oh my god,
it's adorable. I really hope we get more seasons of it.
And unlike some shows we got, this year has a
great mystery at its core, really fun to watch it
unfold throughout the season. Delightful, delightful series, great call. I
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cannot believe we almost left off Dead Boy Detectives. I'm
really proud of you, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Those are our recommendations.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So check out The Magician's Shadow and Bone, Legion, Death Note, Misfits,
and of course Dead Boy Detectives Defectives.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
That's our show. Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Tomorrow, Tuesday, August twenty seventh, we've got The Rings of
Power season one recap dropping than this Thursday.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Come on back and join us.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
We've got the Mark Bernard and sitting down with us
to recap his episode of Batman The Caped Crusader. Then
Rosie and Jason are going to go through the back
half of Caped Crusader, and then finally we're gonna get
a reaction to the Crow, which I know you've all
been waiting for, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Don't laugh by the seat of their pants, are just
really hit on. Guess who can.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Guess how I felt about the Crow. Go to the
discord to make your bets on my opinions of the Crow.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Thanks for joining us on a Monday, guys, We'll see
you tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gisumsion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive
producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer
is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and
Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman
and Heidi our discord moderator
Warning, this episode contains mild spoilers, probably for the Umbrella
Academy TV show and some other series that we will
be recommending, including spoiler alert, Legion, Misfits, Magicians, A Death Note,
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and Shadow and Bone, So if you haven't watched those shows,
go in with that in mind. But we probably won't
be delving too deep into any really bad spoilers, and
they're all great shows, so you should go and watch them.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Hello, my name is Rosie Knight, and don't all a
nique oh wow, And.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Welcome back to xtra Vision, the podcast where we dive deep, deep, deep,
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Where we are at iHeartRadio, bringing you two episodes every week,
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Speaker 3 (01:14):
You are really lucky.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
In today's episode, in the previously on, Rosie and I
are gonna chat about the impact of Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Then we've got a.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Great interview with Umbrella Academy's David Kestenada, and finally we'll
be in the back matter recommending some shows you should
watch if you enjoyed Umbrella Academy.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But first previously on.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
I kind of can't believe Umbrella Academy is over. It's
one of those shows. I know it hasn't been on
as long as Stranger Things, but we've had it for
so long and it's had such a journey. Like I
remember when they announced their like Driidway's comic book, a
smash Hit is gonna be a Netflix TV show. I said,
how are they gonna do this? You need a lot
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of young actors who are super talented. It's so like
edgy and kind of goth. I wonder if that'll hit
on a larger scale audience. And man, but that first
season hit, it hit big. People were instantly obsessed.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. I think this was one of those ones where
Netflix said it was like forty five million households had
watched it in the first month of release, which back
in twenty nineteen was actually a lot. Now we're getting
these even crazier numbers. But yeah, I mean, I think
part of the reason The Umbrella Academy feels like it's
been on for so long is because it did hit
in February twenty nineteen, and five years later, you know,
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we're getting the finale and we've lived through many, many
unprecedented experiences since then, We've lived through like ten years
of history in that five years, so I think it
feels like it's been around with us for such a
long time. I mean, Anklet got six Emmy nominations along
the way too, Like it really did become a big hit,
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And yeah, it was great that they adapted something so
fantastical by Jared Way the artist Gabriel Barr, who I
just absolutely adore, And basically, in case you haven't watched it,
I'm going to tell you should probably have watched it
if you're listening to this, but in case you haven't,
it's about a kind of old universe where on a
certain day, children are born all around the world with superpowers,
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and a shady man goes around and find these children.
His name is Sir Reginald Hargreaves, goes around October first,
nineteen eighty nine, and basically like buys the children from
their families. He manages to get hold of seven of them,
and then he creates this superhero team known as the
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Umbrella Academy. But what's different about this is this is
a dysfunctional family. This is what if the X Men
was real, Like how would it actually impact you to
be raised like someone like Charles Xavier. So yeah, it's
really just like a really impactful, interesting kind of love
letter to comics and superheroes and strangeness by Gerard Way
(03:59):
and then adapted for Netflix. And yeah, it's very interesting
and it has recently come to a close in what
was quite a divisive season. But Juelle, what was like
your biggest takeaway from Umbrella Academy and its impact?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Man, they Okay, first, it gave us Robert Sheehan, who
I will follow off a cliff. I hope that they
find many many more parts for Robert over the years
where he can.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Be I'm gonna bless you with Misfits.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Okay, yes, yes, I'm very excited to get into Misfits
and the joys of that. I really like this actor.
I love Klaus and like very class obsessed, so that
was really delightful. I also really appreciate the way this
show evolved with Elliott Page, like when he was publicly transitioning,
which I can't even imagine. You know, He's had such
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a long career in the spotlight to transition public like
that has to be a very daunting experience. Given our
current cultures approach to trans folks, it's really you know,
it's a lot and the shows like just embraced him
with open arms. They went back and they changed all
of the early credits so that his name was accurately portrayed,
his character was allowed to transition in a very natural way.
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They didn't make that a plot point, thank goodness. They
were all like he all the siblings feel the exact
same way they did before, and we're moving forward. And
it was really nice as a fan and as a
viewer to have that experience and to know that that's
sort of a blueprint out there for other shows in
the future.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
You don't have to get.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Rid of a character or put them through some kind
of trauma or change who they are as a being.
You can just adjust the agenda and move forward. And
I thought that was really beautiful. So Legacy the show
he's behind.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That definitely was a really radical moment. I also think
that this is a great show when you talk about
a show that learned and moved forward as it went.
They listened to kind of audience critiques, but not in
a way that was to do with fans. But I
think a lot about Ben played by you know, Justin
(06:05):
h Minn, who's so fantastic, and Ben died and a
lot of people talked about how he wasn't necessarily very
well developed character, how they'd kind of pushed him to
the side as an Asian American character. So they just
bought Ben back, and they have multiple different versions of Ben,
and they recognized that Justin h Minn was like a
vital part of this cast, and I thought that was
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a really cool way that they did that. I also
love Reto Aya as Leli. I think she's like one
of my favorite characters. Yeah introduced in the show. I
thought she was so fantastic. I mean, I just I'm
a sucker. We've talked about this recently on the Alien
Romulus podcast. We'll be talking about more in our back mouth.
But I just love a show with like kids trying
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their best, especially if they're like fucked up kids. So
every time I would watch The Umbrella Academy or I
would get asked to cover it, I would just end
up feeling like a lot of love for these characters,
and I think that will be the ultimate takeaway. And
I also think that people love the characters so much
that I think That's why with the ending of the
season and the choice that they made of how to
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end it, I think that's why people were so affected
by it and why it became such a conversation start,
because people do love these characters.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
Yeah, listen, the show knew how to bring the drama.
It balanced for the most part really well, both traveling
across different dimensions and time and space, which is really
a challenge to do. I think another highlight of the
show that doesn't get talked about enough is their ability
to cast like secondary characters, Like if you think about
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the secondary Megan Moll, Lally, Nick Offerman, Kate Walsh, Genesis Rodriguez,
David Cross, Mary and Ireland.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
The list is it's long. Mary j.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Blige was in season one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's what I was gonna say. Also, like this season,
when you know they did the Sparrows, I thought they
did so Yeah, good stuff. Also, one of my favorite
actors who I discovered during the American remake of this
weird British show called Utopia, which came out a very
bad time, during the most badly time, during the pandemics,
So most people didn't watch it because it was about
(08:14):
how vaccines were evil, but Javonne Woner Walton was in
that show and he's so unbelievable And they brought him
on in season three basically as a kid like posing
as Diego and Leela's son, and he is so good,
Like I will watch him in anything. I think people
most know him now. He was in Euphoria. Yes he
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played Ashtray, but he is like just so unbelievably fantastic.
And that was another time where like when he popped up,
I was just like, oh, like they know what they're doing,
like they they are whoever is casting this show. The
casting director is legit, like so unbelievably powerful, and I
think is a large part of why the show has
(08:58):
been so popular.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
Yeah, you know, I'm gonna miss it.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I really enjoyed it while we had it, but I'm
looking forward to seeing you know, Netflix is a space
that's very near and dear to Netflix's heart, this sort
of nerd youth space. They've done a lot of whores,
think about your sabrinas, your Wednesdays. So it's a space
right for new inventions. So while we will miss Umbrella Academy,
it's still on Netflix. You can go back and enjoy
(09:23):
it and all of it's glory. Stick around after this break,
we're going to have a conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
With David Castanada. We're very excited.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
He was so generous with his time, so yeah, stick out,
we'll hear at that.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Hey, David, how's it going. Thank you so much for
joining me today.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
Well, thanks for having me, Rosie. It's going great.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, it's an absolutely, it's a delight. I'm so excited
to talk to you. We're huge fans of Umbrella Academy here,
so just really delighted to dig into the final season.
When we usually interview people here, we kind of asked them, like,
what's your origin story? Like if you were a comic
book character, what's your origin story, Like, what was the
thing that drove you to acting? What was the thing
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that made you who you are?
Speaker 4 (10:22):
I mean, I think what drove me was I think
there was a lot of shifting when I was growing up.
There was a lot of a lot of moving around.
I got to live in many, many households before I
moved to Mexico when I was seven yees seven years old,
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and so I think the origin was more so about
trying to fit in, you know, trying to understand what
my surroundings were, and that's sort of becoming sort of
a superpower where I could show up to room and
sort of digest it and very quickly sort of understand
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the rules of the room. And that was something that
I very much was very acute too, especially you know,
even when I came back to move to live in
the US in two thousand and four, two thousand and three,
and and you know, in terms of acting, that's sort
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of what acting is.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Yeah, that's why I was going to say, Yeah, it
sounds like it would be a very useful skill as
you kind of embarked on your career.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Yeah. I mean, it's sort of if you show up
to a set, you know, you take in the set,
you take in the scene, you take in your scene partners,
and then you sort of just go from there and
you start you start realizing, Okay, what's my role in
this in the entire space that I'm that I'm in
right now. And I don't know if that's a true
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superhero origin story, but it definitely was a power that
I was able to sort of nurture as I as
I got older.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, I mean that sounds really unique. And also as well,
I could imagine it's very useful on a show like
Umbrella Academy where you're building relationships that go on for
you know, seasons. Yeah, and trying to So what's it
been like going on that journey, you know, getting cast
as Diego, filming the first season and kind of growing
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in this space of a found family show to actually
continue that journey with those actors as a family for
you know, four seasons.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Well, it sort of feels like you're going to school,
you know, you start off freshman year, no one really
knows each other. You're you know, you're kind of trying
to you know, test the waters. You want to relate
to them. But also you understand that everyone is from
all over the world, you know, from different cultures and backgrounds,
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and so as as I can't relate to certain cultures like,
for example, like Robert Sheehan's culture, you know, but as
the years go by, there is a relatability because now
we have the show to sort of fall back on,
and being able to form friendships was something that you know,
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it took, it became more organic because when we first
came into the first season, because no one knew who
you know, we had never met there was this sort
of awkward pace within all of us and we were
trying to get to know each other. But it works
so well with the show. And as the show progressed
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to the second season the third season, you sort of
started seeing everyone sort of jail and that was instinctually
what we were doing as actors within our own dynamics
outside of the scenes.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, and what does it feel like now to kind
of the show was returning after two years and it's
the final season, Like, how does it feel as an
actor to have crafted a character like Diego and taken
him from that awkward first season to this kind of
final part of his story.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
I mean, it's better sweet. It's better sweet because once
you sort of get the groove of the whole of
the of the character. I've been very lucky that the
writers and the creator, Steve Blackman, has sort of allowed
me to to sort of or it just sort of
seems things inside of me to feel like, oh, you know, actually,
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Diego isn't He's more likable than not, so let's let's
add these things. And also there's a there's a comedy
within his seriousness that let's let's let's dive into that
and and so the changes in Diego's personality through the
seasons has been such a wonderful surprise that it didn't
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it wasn't just stale playing the same thing over and
over again. And I don't know if I'll ever get
that opportunity to do something like that, but I do
feel very proud that that this character and the story
and also the all of these characters exists now on
Netflix that people can go and watch and can enjoy
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with like the entire family. Because that's I think that's
the biggest compliment that I've gotten with people, is like
adults will come up to me and say, you know,
this is the only show I watch with my kids.
You know, we all have our own separate shows. I
don't watch their shows, they don't watch my shows. But
this is the only show that we all get together
and we binge. And that's a massive compliment because I'm
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you know, it's obviously because it's all about the dysfunction
of the family. Yeah that I don't know. I mean,
you know, I'm a big family guy, so I you know, yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
It brings people together. That's you know, We're lucky, like
with this show, doing this show with comic books and
comic book TV and stuff. I get a lot of
moms who message me and they go, oh my god,
we listened to this, you know, with my I listened
to this with my kid. And that's and then we
like read the comic books together and we watch the shows.
So it is like a very special feeling, right to
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know that you're making something that kind of bridges that gap.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I was just going to say, like, so that's a
part of this that I guess is again different from
other TV shows, is this is a there's a very
active fandom with Umbrella Academy, with the comics, you know,
it's that kind of comic con show. What's it been
like to get those responses, to get people kind of
telling you about what the show means to them.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, I think of in sort of like, you know,
when you get a compliment, you know, we're so we're
so easy to like take in a criticism over a compliment,
and and that's that's been able. I've been able to
try to sort of you know, rewire my brain and
trying to take in when someone really appreciates the show
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and take it for what they mean, it for what
they mean by it because when the show first came out,
I didn't I mean, I don't think many of us
thought that it was going to be what it was
going to be. We sort of were just kind of
just I mean, at least for me, I just needed
a job. And then as as the seasons progress, and
you know, obviously as the season progressed, and like you know,
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second season, we were in lockdown. So there wasn't like
a lot of interaction with live interaction with people saying,
oh I love the show. It was more so just
online that I got to see, like oh man, like
this is wow. People are really being affected by this
in a positive way. I did get one experience where
like someone did ask me to write my signature on
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their body because they said they were going to get
a tattooed on that and I said no, I was like,
I'm not doing that. And then and then they showed me,
which is so funny. They showed me Robert she Han's
signature on their forearm and they said, look, Renal Klaus
did it too, And I was like, well, if Klaus
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did it, will give me that pen and I signed.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
My You're like, of course I have to.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
Yeah. When he did it. I was like, I guess
I have to do it now. I was like, yeah, sure,
I don't want. I don't want just Robert she Hen's name.
I didn't put David in there too. There you go,
you know, but that was Yeah, that was a pretty
wild one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
People willing to kind of have that on their body
forever because of how much they love the show is
kind of the ultimate compliment.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
Yeah, as much as they enjoyed it. I mean, this
show did change everything in my life and I'm very
grateful for so, I know I can relate to their uh,
you know, gratitude towards it.
Speaker 1 (18:44):
Yeah, and how you kind of touched on this, but
like especially in the new season, and this will drop
when the new season is out, so we can kind
of talk a little bit about it. But that comedic
element of Diego is really there, and you kind of
get to explore this other side of him. Six years later,
he's this dad. He's listening to Baby Shock and the
Van like he loves the mini van. Could you talk
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a little bit about getting to play with that and
kind of craft this different side.
Speaker 4 (19:12):
Well, Rosie, it tells me that you've seen a few episodes.
I'm guessing.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, good Yeah, I'm lucky. I've
seen it. I've seen I loved I've seen six. Yeah,
I thought it was like perfect. Oh really, I'm a
huge fan. Yeah, I adored it. I thought it was
I mean, it might actually be the best season honestly.
Oh man, there's something about it that just seeing everyone
back together and kind of the journeys everyone gets to
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go on is really special.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
Well that's really nice, Rosie. I appreciate I've only seen three,
so you're way ahead of me on this.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Yeah, which is so funny. Obviously, you know, I got
to read other scripts and do the whole thing. But
I feel like Diego's realization, or at least what he
I mean, I think a lot of the effort that
was put into this was like, you know, the grass
is never greener on the other side, And I think
I think Diego's sort of idea because it's you know,
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he's missing his powers, you know, and he's sort of
in the space of resentment and and and he's trying
his best to be the best dad and the best husband,
but he's failing miserably, especially being a spouse, and so
he obviously believes it's you know, so much care goes
into his ability to be a dad that he's forgetting himself.
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You know, he's forgetting really he's sort of stuck at
this idea, I have to be a superhero. If not,
I'm not defined, but I'm sort of worthless. But his journey,
it's not so much of like, oh, you look how
amazing your family is and your wife and all these things.
But I think his biggest thing was like he just
forgot to honor himself and to really discover who he
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is aside from the powers. And I think that's sort
of the I guess underneath all the comedy, you know,
that sort of what drives him in the season of
like just he's trying to find himself, you know, with
the FBI thing and the whole I mean to me,
that was probably one of the funnest things, you know,
working with Tom Hopper and doing those little gags between
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Luther and Diego. I never I never get old, I know,
I never get tired of doing anything with that.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
Guy, you know, mm hmmm, yeah. I Mean the relationships
that you guys kind of craft on the screen feel
so organic and it feels you know, as soon as
you said, oh, Robert Sheehan, you know had done the tatto,
Klaus had done it. I was like, well, of course
you have to do it. You know, that comes across
that kind of friendship. And obviously with a lot of
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that you're doing it's Diego and Laila. Yeah, this season
and kind of building this kind of really complex I
think as well for a lot of viewers, I mean,
because of Lockdown, because of the way TV how long
it takes to get made. The show has been going
on for a while, and I think there's probably gonna
be a lot of people who when they watched that
first season, they were more of that awkward young adult
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and now they probably do have kids, you know, and
you're getting to see that reality of like Diego and
Leila together and what does it really mean? And she's
running around in the leggings and the ug boots and
you're trying to get the birthday cake. Could you talk
a little bit about playing that kind of side of it.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Well, I mean one thing that I will say when
you talk about, you know, people growing with the show,
I have I have seen like comments or messages of
like people saying like I was a freshman in high
school and now I'm I'm.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
A junior in college, and I'm like, it blows my mind.
And the and the sort of the length that it
takes for us to finish the show, from the moment
we you know, come into production to the moment and
actually premieres. It is like almost like a two year things.
It's such a long and just stating a sort of process.
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But you know, working with with you know, Ritch to
ritu Aria, you know, it was a gem. You know,
it was it was lovely to sort of because you know,
she was game for anything, you know, when we were
working and so and obviously I'm open to anything that
she would throw on me because she's super talented. And
so when we got to that state of okay, we're
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going to be these disgruntled parents that are sort of,
you know, never really liking each other, you know, we're like, okay,
we'll lists lean into that. You know, what is that?
How do you find that? And I think the more
you lean into it, the funnier it gets. And and
I mean, I'm not here to speak about anyone's relationship
or anyone's marriage, but I think there's a lot of
qualities in there that a lot of people can see
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in themselves of how they you know, the dynamics within them,
and you know, and the humor in it also.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Yeah, Yeah, I think it's that there is a lot
of humor in like the mundanity of just like trying
to live your life, you know, and obviously in a
superhero show you don't always get to explore that, but
here we kind of do. Whether it's you know, Alison
doing trying to just audition audition, or there's actually like
a normality we get in those first couple of episodes
before of course, everything kind of blows back.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I mean the second the second episode to me is
my I mean, it's obviously it starts with a bank.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, okay. So what I'll ask you then, is, seeing
as it's the we're coming to the end, you know,
of the show, what are your next plans? Like what
are you most excited to do, like leaving Diego behind?
What is David?
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Oh? I mean I want to direct, you know, I
want to direct. Obviously, there's there's there's some projects in
terms of acting that I'm I'm you know, very excited
to start and some that I've already finished and are
going to come out next year. But in terms of
just like for my own selfish journey, yeah, I'm like,
I'm I'm really I'm really close to finishing my first
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feature in terms of my my wow and so you know,
getting that off the ground and you know, getting cameras
up and cameras rolling. I feel like that's going to be,
you know, coming very very soon.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Well, thank you so much for joining us. Congrats on
Umbrella Academy, and good luck with everything that comes next.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Thank you, Rosie, I appreciate. Hopefully I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 6 (25:10):
We're going to take a quick break and we'll be
right back, and we are back.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
Thanks David. That was a great interview.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
We really liked Social Love you a warm human being.
Now we're headed into the back matter to make some recommendations.
So we were thinking, you know now that there is
this gap in our young people try their hardest in
a school or found family situation.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
We decided specific niche listen. It's specific but strong. There's
a lot of content here, so we.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Decided to take a look back at some shows we
liked in the genre and mix some recommendations. If you
need to fill this space while on Netflix is cooking.
So Rosie, you you had oh, you were popping off
with ideas.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Where do you want to set it?
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I love this I'm going to start with Misfits because
it is where Robert Sheehan got his start. I absolutely
love this show. It's an old British TV show, and
I can say it's old now, fine, two thousand and nine.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
That's not I was just started in college.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
I'm no baby, baby that was fifteen years ago. Sixteen
years ago, my pal. So basically, it's a show about
a group of young offenders who are sentenced to do
community service where and while they're doing it there is
a strange storm and they gain superpowers. Right now, this
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is like literally comes out one year after The Dark Night,
one year after Iron Man, so it was in production
kind of before them, so you get a pre emcu vision.
It is exceptionally working class. It has an unbelievable cast.
It has Nathan Stewart Jarrett who's an absolutely fantastic actor.
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He plays Curtis. It has Iwan Rian who plays Simon
Bell and Me who would go on to Game of Thrones.
It has Lauren Sosha as Kelly Bailey, Antonia Thomas as
Alisha Daniels, Robert she and is Nathan Young and as
we get later into the season, they are it's another
show with brilliant casting. We get to see Joseph Gilgan,
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who people know from Preacher. He's in here. And basically
the thing that's really cool about this is powers that
they get are all kind of directly related to who
they are. So there is when it comes to somebody
like Alisha, she's very beautiful, so her power is an
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awful power, which is anytime anyone touches her, they just
become obsessed with her and they want to fuck her now.
And it's like this kind of horrific existential power. And hilariously,
Robert's character, Nathan, he kind of doesn't have a power,
or he does, but he doesn't know it. And I
will say I was. Me and my friend Bianca have
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both been rewatching this, and Bianca to point out a
good thing that I think is worthwhile to bring up here.
This is definitely dated in that it has a casual
use of like certain like slus, not like terrible slus,
but that kind of like don't teens use slus? Like
isn't that what they do? Isn't that edgy, and this
was from an era of like Skins. It's from the
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same TV Shows channel as Skins, so it definitely is
a little bit dated in that way. But generally I
do still think it's one of the best superhero shows
ever made. There are some truly horrific, weird episodes. There's
an episode with a character who can control the lactose
in people's bodies that to this day is one of
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the most scary episodes of TV I've ever seen. There
are fantastic long term arcs here. The kids are also
It's rare that you get to see a bunch of
working class kids trying to make their way. They have
to contend against the parole officer and also kind of
the shenanigans of other people who've gotten these powers. I
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will also say that Elisha Simon arc is still one
of my favorite arcs in any series for a pair
of characters, and it was very hard for me when
I went on to play you know, Ramsey Bolton one
of the worst villains of all time and that would
obviously define him forever, when Simon is just such a
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fantastic character in my opinion. But yeah, I love Misfits.
I would definitely recommend it. I believe there may have
been an American remake or talks of an American remake.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
I believe.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
My recommendtion. Okay, fantastic news. When I used to write
about Misfits, it was never streaming anywhere. It was impossible
to find. But now, thanks to the joys of streaming,
you can watch it free on Peacock, you can watch
it free on Amazon, you can watch it free on
Pluto TV. You watch it on Disney Plus, which seems
exceptionally strange because it is so out there, a lot
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of sex, a lot of swearing. But yeah, I think
if you are a Robert Sheham fan like us, if
you are a fan of kids with superpowers, if you
want to watch a show that's gonna feel totally different
to anything else that you've seen, Misfits is that show.
So that's my first recommendation.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Okay, I'm going to pick it up with one of
my favorite shows of all time.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
It's The Magicians.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
If you are no longer allowing yourself to participate in
the horror show that is JK.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Rowling, but you miss your magical world of.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
Uh chass, Yes, yes, your magical schools of chaos and hope.
Uh do I have a show for you? It requires
you to be an adult to view it, not four children. Yes,
but what if your magical beings were American and they
were in grad school.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Suddenly everything's on the table.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
It's super sexy, it's murdery, it's got so much trauma.
But because your showrunners are Sarah Gamble and John McNamara,
you're in good hands. You probably know Sarah Gamble's work
more from you. If you missed The Magicians, you was
her next big project. You see how she handles a sabby,
stabby murder. Some of you are in love with him.
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That's not Sarah's fault. She's trying to tell you that's
a bad person.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I'm just saying. I'm just saying that. It has a
lot to do with pem Bagley. He's a good at
playing like a a.
Speaker 2 (31:41):
Wed murderer and he's fine as hell. Listen, she casts well,
she casts beautiful people.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
So namara wrote Trumbo if you're a person who really
likes old school Hollywood cinema and the political dramas, he
nailed that. But then he also wrote on Super the
Lowest and Clark the Avengers of Superman.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
So he's oh my god, I have read.
Speaker 1 (32:04):
I watched that show quite religiously. It's now streaming. Deankane sucks.
But I ignore that because to me, that is where a
lot of my format of Superman feelings came from. But
I think you've got a great recommendation here. I really
love the Magicians. I got to visit the Magicians set
a couple of times, early days of TV writing, and
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this is a great what if you know Hogwarts was
grad school. There's sex, there's queerness, there's murder. And also,
don't be dismayed. We know people who listen to this show.
You love an inclusive cast, you love a diverse class.
The main in character of this show is essentially a trick.
You're not sees to like him. That is not really
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your main in character, and the people around him are
what make the show special, as well as the inner
workings and politics of this secondary world of magic. Who
are the hedge witches? Who are the people who can't
get a school? Yeah, it's a system. What is the
class system in a world where magic exists? And how
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do we define who's allowed to use it? I do
think this is such a fantastic cool recommendation and also
has a lot of fun metatext about like what if
a book that you read as a kid was actually
real life.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Yes, it really engages with the fandom, and I think
the show looked out by cast. The main group of
people you follow around the school and through this universe
are so connected with the fandom.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
They were really.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Engaging at all of your comic con conventions on the socials,
like they cared about this show.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
They loved it.
Speaker 2 (33:41):
And there are many musical episodes if you're a musically
inclined person, as I am so much singing, and it's
all delightful and fun. A great rewatch too. If you
haven't seen it in a couple of years, maybe you're like,
let me revisit the It's fabulous, an underly perfect show.
Shout out to every summar Tella mave icons Argent Gupta
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such a sweetheart of me too, She's really wonderful and
like Hale Applebomb, I'm sorry, Hal Appleman as Elliott easily
one of my favorite.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
Episode character of the show.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I feel like agreed agreed, yeah, that everyone was sort
of an Elliott stand for reasons that become immediately apparent
as soon as you've been watching the show. Oh and
then of course Jay Taylor let me not forget the
great she is so lovely as well.
Speaker 3 (34:28):
So yeah, check out the magicians. What's our next wreck?
Speaker 1 (34:33):
Next wreck is going to be We're going to go
for an anime because I feel like we're always trying
to get more people to listen who listen to the
show to watch anime, I'm gonna go for Death Note. Yes,
if you're a fan of the darker aspects of Umbrella Academy,
if you're a fan of the strangeness, the weird, magical
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aspects of powers, how do they work? Who gets them?
Are they evil? Are they good? Death Note is definitely
a fantastic show for you. It's also a great starter
anime because it's super engaging. It's based on the manga
which was also a smash hit by Oh I Can
(35:17):
Remember Oh by Sugomi Ahoba and Takashi Abata, and it
is about a student called Light Yagami. He's a genius.
He discovers a mysterious notebook which is called the Death Note,
and it once belonged to a demon called Riuk. And
if you write somebody's name in the death note. Then
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they die, and while it might sound slightly different to
Umbrella Academy vibes, wise, you quickly learn that there are
other death notes, there are other people using them. We
also get an iconic detective character in the form of El,
who's a student who wants to stop the murders that
Light is committing. It's a great cat and mouse story.
It's a fantastic murder mystery entry point for anime, and
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it's got very similar kind of dark goffy emo vibes
to Umbrella.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
There are school uniforms involved.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
You can check it out good schools.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
Check out death Note. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
What's our next pick?
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Joelle? Legion? Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Because of the controversial ending of Umbrella Academy and because
of the time travel space woo wu kind of vibes,
Legion's a good select. If you're missing Umbrella Academy, you
can debate and ending all over again. It is one
of the most beautiful TV.
Speaker 3 (36:35):
Shows of all time.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Like from a production standpoint, yes, from a cinematography standpoint,
From a special and visual effects standpoint like, this show
really firing on all cylinders. It gives you your superhero
aspects this is the son of Charles Xavier slight spoiler alert,
but this is a very old comic, So here we go. Basically,
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you start with him in mental institute. You're trying to
figure out why he's there. Mysteries abound, found families occur,
there are betrayals, so much drama.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
It's extremely surreal and strange and abstract. Also very interesting
historical document because this was made when Fox was still
its own separate company and when Disney had been vying
to get the rights back to The X Men. But
there was an interesting period where this and The Gifted
got made, which were two ex memb related TV shows
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that Fox had never been able to make before. So
Legion exists in this very interesting place. There also incredible
cost Aubreyor.
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Is here, Gene Smart is.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Here, Jermaine Clement, and obviously our main character is played
by legendary weirdo character player Dan Stevens, who we just
absolutely adore, and yeah, like what this is a total ride.
I will also say, if you are someone who has
followed Umbrella Academy and you were maybe dismayed with the
bleakness of the ending, but you were intrigued by it,
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how did that make you feel. Then I will say
Legion is another show for you. It's a show that
was not afraid of upsetting its audience or changing the
perspective through which we've looked at the show. So definitely
worth checking out.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
Yes, and finally we have Shadow and Bone another.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
Netflixha oh baby.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Netflix has really been killing it with Okay, you know what,
I'm going to do a duo. You're actually gonna get
two here because I do love Shadow and Bone. I
love Shadow and Bone. It's fantastic. It has Archie Renault,
who has recently seen in the wonderful Alien Romulus that
we really enjoyed. He played Tyler. It is a fantastic
adaptation of Lee Bardigo's books. It melds her Shadow and
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Bone series with her Six of Crows series, which were
tangentially connected, but here you get them at the same time.
The Six of Crows series is widely seen as the
more superior series. It's I love both, but it's a
fantastic heist. It's about criminals, it's about kids trying to survive,
and she don't. Bonus set in a world where magic
exists and there are essentially magical armies and if you
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are able to do magic. You end up in a
special army that's led by a magical, hunky, sexy, mysterious man.
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Sign me up.
Speaker 3 (39:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And our main character Alena, Oh my god, why I
like read these books like.
Speaker 3 (39:32):
Fifty millis I understand it.
Speaker 1 (39:35):
We are getting old. Okay, So Alena. Yes, our main character,
Elena Starkoff, she is She discovers that she has this
massive magical power that could help them rid the world
of this villain called the Darkling, and she has pulled
along into this magical fantasy world where people have powers
(39:57):
and they're a magical creature and there is essentially a
wizard war occurring. It's absolutely delightful. I think the show
is fantastic. It got canceled off to two seasons, which
is heartbreaking. The cast is brilliant, it's diverse, it's interesting,
and I think it is a great pick if you
are looking for that found family, magical aspect. But as
(40:19):
I was saying, as we were talking about Netflix and
that you're getting a two fire, I was thinking about
my brilliant friend Abby White, who is a fantastic writer, critic,
advocate for disabled writers. They're just generally fantastic and They
pointed out that, you know, Netflix is so great at
doing these ya stories right, and that reminded me as
(40:41):
you brought that up that actually, I think if you
love the Umbrella Academy, definitely watch Shadow and Bone because
I love it and I love fantasy. But if you're
really looking for the Umbrella Academy vibes and you've got
a Netflix account, you got to watch their Boy Detectives.
That is so queer, so strange, so funny, so magical.
(41:04):
It's about two boys who are dead and they are detectives.
Gay has this one of them is gay, and it
has this fantastic camaraderie at the center, and it is
about a found family and it is about the mysteries
of your past and overcoming your trauma. And it shares
a lot in both esthetic and vibes with Umbrella Academy.
(41:26):
So both of those are on Netflix. If you are
on Netflix Viewer and you are missing Umbrella Academy, once
you've done your rewatch of your favorite episodes, I would
say both of those are great picks.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
That's so great.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
Dead Boy Detectives also has strong witchy vibes, which is great.
They have an anime girly who's like really weird and fun.
She's so Then and then it highlights one of my
favorite things, which is like your adolescent besties who essentially
become your family in the same way like if you're
a person who habitually watches friends for the comfy vibes.
(42:01):
This has elements of that, where you're like, they're best
friends and they'll never betray each other. Look at how
look at their love. It's so real. Oh my god,
it's adorable. I really hope we get more seasons of it.
And unlike some shows we got, this year has a
great mystery at its core, really fun to watch it
unfold throughout the season. Delightful, delightful series, great call. I
(42:21):
cannot believe we almost left off Dead Boy Detectives. I'm
really proud of you, Rosie.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Those are our recommendations.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
So check out The Magician's Shadow and Bone, Legion, Death Note, Misfits,
and of course Dead Boy Detectives Defectives.
Speaker 3 (42:37):
That's our show. Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (42:39):
Tomorrow, Tuesday, August twenty seventh, we've got The Rings of
Power season one recap dropping than this Thursday.
Speaker 3 (42:47):
Come on back and join us.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
We've got the Mark Bernard and sitting down with us
to recap his episode of Batman The Caped Crusader. Then
Rosie and Jason are going to go through the back
half of Caped Crusader, and then finally we're gonna get
a reaction to the Crow, which I know you've all
been waiting for, so stay tuned for that.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
Don't laugh by the seat of their pants, are just
really hit on. Guess who can.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Guess how I felt about the Crow. Go to the
discord to make your bets on my opinions of the Crow.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
Thanks for joining us on a Monday, guys, We'll see
you tomorrow, okay.
Speaker 7 (43:29):
X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Gisumsion and Rosie
Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. Our executive
producers are Joelle Smith and Aaron Kaufman. Our supervising producer
is a Boo Zafar. Our producers are Carmen Laurent and
Mia Taylor. Our theme song is by Brian Basquez.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin and Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman
and Heidi our discord moderator
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