The Great Sci-Fi Debate: What Makes a Film Science Fiction?

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:31):
In today's episode, we're going to start off by arguing
about what constitutes the science fiction movie and will that
take up most of the podcast potentially potentially because it's
been taking up most of our life in the group chat.
And then we will be presenting our faith.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Each of us will.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Present our five favorite science fiction movies, see if the
judging panel of our peers agrees with them, and then
you will all be able to vote on whom do
you think has the best five top science fiction films.

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reach out to us and tell us whose list of
five is the best, you go ahead and do that.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
Okay, here we are. We're about to put up our
x Ray Vision crew list of our favorite sci fi
movies that are not Star Wars. Oh yes, important, No,
Star Wars and no Star Wars, and we may exclude
other things. But first let's introduce the crew. It's me Jason,

(01:47):
it's you Rosie, of course, but let's welcome in the
Superducer team for today.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Joelle, how are you yo?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Devastated to learn that so many people don't know what's that.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Coming out?

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I haven't even introduced everybody Else's no ability for everybody
else to retort. Super producer Aboo.

Speaker 5 (02:14):
Welcome, great to be here. I'm personally devastated that Joel
doesn't seem to know what sci fi is.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
But wait, okay, okay, hold on, please college calm down.
And finally, our final super producer, Carmen. Carmen welcome, thank you.

Speaker 6 (02:35):
Hello. I am just here because I love to discourse,
so I cannot wait to discourse.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I came to be messy.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
She's like, I can't. She's like, my android phone has
been messing up the iPhone group chat, and please let's
not get into that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
It is. I mean, there's a multiverse right now where
different versions of ourselves are taking place, are discoursing in
different group chats through time, and we don't even know
where they all are. It's like messages are only going
to like different people in the group chat at different
times in different places. Anyway, here's the question before us today,

(03:19):
what are the best? What are our personal best non
Star Wars sci fis? So as we prepare to answer
that question, let's first talk about what is sci fi?
I think we all have our own ideas about what

(03:41):
it is and what it looks like. But much like
the Supreme Court's definition of pornography from like thirty years ago, now.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
It also feels like it's kind of a know it
when you see its situation.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yea, and I think the borders of sci fi are,
you know, from person to person or a lot more
porous and a morphous than uh than perhaps the standard
definition whatever that is. So let's talk about it first.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
What Joel, I.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Feel you like bucking in the in the pen ready
to be released?

Speaker 1 (04:24):
We got it, we gotta we have. Because Joel doesn't
even think that Star Wars is a science fiction THEA,
let's start there, Joe, what is what is your definition
of sci fi?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Okay, so for listeners, this started in the group chat
or like what and I was like, well, it's gotta
absolutely like have science in it. It's science fiction. It's
the whole points analyze science. Okay, And people are like,
you actually don't need science, which is bananas. Why even
call it science fiction if you're not gonna have science
as a base element of the film.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Okay, it doesn't make sense to me. Star Wars is
a fantasy. No, there's no elements we did not see either,
no testtoobs. We're not.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
You know, there are droids, which I might make an
argument for making a film a sci fi in a minute,
so I might have to eat crow on this.

Speaker 3 (05:18):
We do have droids.

Speaker 4 (05:19):
We have robots on planet Earth. But here's here's why
it makes a difference. Okay, here's why I don't count it.
I like Asimov. Isaac Asimov a writer, foundation and many
other side. He's one of the Big three or whatever.
His thoughts on what science fiction are is that it's
mankind's reaction to science and technology. Okay, And in Star Wars,

(05:43):
we're not. We're like, droids are just there. They're so commonplace.
This is no, not a reaction or instated into the storytellers.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
So let me just to just to clarify for the audience. Yes,
your position is that because there is no discussion of
how say light Speed works or you know the science, yeah,
or the science behind how the artifical artificial intelligence of
Droid's work. Therefore, Star Wars is not a sci fi.

(06:13):
So that's your position, which, by the way, I'm respecting, right, No,
I appreciate that you No.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
Yeah, if you're not in, if the characters are not
engaging with the science or technology, it's not.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Can I can I as a pushback? As a slight pushback?

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Aren't.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Hasn't this kind of market and efficiency been corrected by
the creation or the acknowledgment of the sci fi sub
genre hard sci fi?

Speaker 3 (06:42):
Because hard sci fi is because.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
Hard sci fi is more of the you know three
body problem foundation.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
Sure, you know what's an actual scientific theory?

Speaker 2 (06:56):
Rightly?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
You know sci fi?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
Right if Freakinsteign kicks off the genre that's not based
in anything scientifically factual, and it doesn't need to be.
It is based in this idea of like, what is
the possibility of science? And if we rely and lean
into it, how does that affect us as Hugh? How
does it change how we see ourselves as human? And
I really like that. I think for me that's what
the category of sci fi is trying to accomplish.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Okay, does anybody have any drastically different definitions of sci fi?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
For a control?

Speaker 2 (07:29):
Well, I uh, I've said my piece. I will push
back later, but does anybody have a drastic like a
polar opposite?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
So I know you've got at least some thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, I think my definition of sci fi, rather than
being the polar opposite here is more that my sci
fi umbrella is just much bigger. It encompasses so much more.
For me, a lot of science fiction is speculative storytelling,
and that encompasses a lot of different subgenres, of which

(08:00):
hard hard science fiction is certainly one. But you have
your dystopian sci fi genres that aren't necessarily grounded in
this one piece of technology caused the dystopia U. We're
certainly going to be debating one of those films later
on today, and so for me, the for me, science

(08:21):
fiction is a genre of storytelling that really turns a
mirror on humanity through whatever device or setting that it
may be, right, whether it's we're set in a dystopian
world and we are taking a look at humanity through
that lens and providing social commentary there, or we're in

(08:44):
Star Trek and it's like zap zapp lasers and space battles.
Both of those to me are equally science fiction because
they are providing a level of social commentary through their settings, characters, technologies,
et cetera.

Speaker 2 (08:58):
Can I can I with a gentle pushback as well,
is name me any genre of storytelling that does not quote,
turn a mirror on the human condition.

Speaker 5 (09:10):
I would say there are certainly genres of storytelling that
are less focused on social or political commentary. I would say,
for example, something like fourth Wing. While there are political
elements in that story, I don't think that. I don't think.

(09:34):
I don't think the main goal and the main message
of that story is I am making a commentary on
how humanity exists today. I think science fiction and the
best of science fiction does that.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Does anyone have any other meaningful critiques or things to
add to the discussion of what is and what is
not sci fi?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I will just say I do think that sci fi.
I am in the mindset of it being broader. Like
one of the original posts, you know, Frankenstein by Mary Shelley,
which is the first science fiction book. As much as
other places would hate to give credit for that comment, Actually,
why don't you jump in with your nerdy fact that

(10:21):
you've put in the group chat, but did not feel
brave enough to say against Joel.

Speaker 6 (10:26):
Well, yes, thank you for giving me the floor. I
just wanted to say. Mary Shelley was so it was
a dream. She had a nightmare she had, but she
was inspired by a previous demonstration she had seen Luigi
Galvani perform on a dead frog. He was a man
from Italy who invented the Galvanic method. I only know
about this because I was an esthetician for ten years
and he made this dead frog move around using electricity,

(10:53):
and later like she had a dream about it, and
I guess dreamt that she could make a man come
to life using electricity, and then wrote wrote the book.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
You know, I would say, like, that's eighteen seventeen. In
eighteen seventy you have twenty thousand Leagues under the Sea
by Jules Vern which might not seem like a science
fiction story, but is very much in that space because
he's going under the sea instead of into space. So
I think the notion of exploring some kind of territory

(11:25):
that we've never seen before, whether it's medical like Frankenstein,
whether it is a space like underwater or whether it
is a space like space. I think that the notion
of needing to explore something new. I mean this even
fits in with dystopias like you are in the Hunger Games. Yeah,
you're making a commentary on humanity, but you're also imagining

(11:47):
a way that technology and media could be used in
a terrible way, kind of like nineteen eighty four. So
I think it's also about imagining and embarking on a
new location or a new technolog I think that has
to be some kind of exploratory angle to it, even
if you're just exploring a hypothetical of what could happen

(12:07):
in the future.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I see I also have a I think a larger
view of what sci fi is. I take the view
of that to counter Joelle. I think, first of all,
it would be too destabilizing to the.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
To the to the.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
DVD and labeling the genre marketplace, on the genre community
to suddenly it would just be a massive upheaval. I
think of like suddenly Star Wars is going to have
to just be labeled fantasy. I think it'll be confusing
to people, and I think that for me, I think
sci fi is simply does the story have at its heart,

(12:52):
as part of its like load bearing plot, have technology
or devices that do not exist currently. I think it's
for me. For me, I think it's it's really that simple.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Now.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
I think we're going to encounter in our discussions stories
where you know it's on the border of maybe being
a sci fi or maybe some something else. But then
like characters have communication devices that seem advanced. To me,
that's if it's just like a couple of devices, but
it's not like central to the plot, it's not sci fi.

(13:32):
Whereas if it's like back to the Future, to me,
is sci fi because the whole thing is like time machine.
Even though a lot of the story is not sci fi,
none of the story happens because because if there is
no time machine.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
So that's my tick. Does anybody have a problem that
I have?

Speaker 5 (13:56):
I think making the cutoff there technology that does not
exist today undercuts like ninety percent of Black Mirror, right
because Black Mirror, for me, I think it's at the
core of sci fi is asking what if it's what
if this thing was taken to an extreme or this
is the direction humanity went, what would happen? How would

(14:18):
we react, What would that mean politically socially? And so
I think making the cutoffs something that doesn't exist today
excludes quite a bit of sci fi that asks the
what if question? What if ai xyz? What if you
know this this technology had this effect on the environment
with stuff that's already happening today.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
I take your point, But now does anybody have any
issues with it?

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Here's my retort. I think a lot of black.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
Mirror is like, what if we were even more addicted
to our phones than we are? What if this technology
exists has driven us completely to one side of the spectrum?

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Is that sci fi? Or is that social commentary? To me?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Existing technology? Plus, uh, look at the way we are
engaging with this a story that hinges on, look at
our relationship to this technology is social commentary. Allah uh,
animal farm and not necessarily sci fi.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's my I agree with that. I know I would
also say I think that the issue. I guess it's
not an issue. This is the kind of conversation we
can have because we love this stuff and we watch
it and we can buy all the time and get
really granular. But I also think we got to about
the fact that like ninety of a viewing audience who
put on an episode of Black Mirror and it's about

(15:43):
like an evil iPad or whatever. They're like, yeah, this
is sci fi, Okay, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (15:47):
Like, I think, I think some entry point, it's a
lot of I think a lot of Black Mirror is
sci fi, but I think a lot of it isn't.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
Like, for instance, the very first Black Mirror.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
Episode of you know, the guy who gets the president
of the Pig and the Pig?

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Is that sci fi? It's actually not sci fi? I
will agree with that, Okay, So I guess it's an
episode by episode breakdown.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right while the work now Sandra Depero sci fi true,
John Hamm and the Ai sci fi like, but some
of it isn't.

Speaker 1 (16:24):
Some of it isn't okay. I also have to bring
up because I think this would be a question that
at least one person would ask. We are not including
Star Wars ops, and I think that you'll see from
our pics we are not including a lot of bigger
franchises in general. Yes, but let's quickly talk about the
the Disney shaped elephant in the room, which is that

(16:45):
going by a lot of our uh kind of reasoning
that we have laid out here, the MCU, Iron Man,
Black Panther, those are very much in our sci fi
space we are I think we're not including them because
of the same reason of Star Wars. We want to
talk to you guys about movies maybe you haven't seen,
or movies that we really love. But isn't it interesting

(17:09):
to me if I think of the MCU, I don't
think sci fi just off the top of my head.
But I was going through the movies and I was like, well,
Black Panther is definitely sci fi and always has been
since it was first created an Iron Man. Obviously, the
version we get of it in the MCU is extreme
sci fi, and when you get to Endgame and there
is like cosmic Battles, that is also sci fi. But

(17:32):
I am going to put a disclaim head that there
are no MCU movies in our pick well.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
I think the issue is this superhero, which I think
has become now a genre of its own, is a
super container that contains every genre. It can be a
spy film, it can be a crime film, it can
be a fantasy, it can be a family movie, it

(17:56):
can be a sci fi and often it's often it's
all of those things in one to you know, lesser
or greater effect. So I think that's we're drilling down
specifically on the one container that is sci fi to
try and defind what what is Shall we go to

(18:17):
our Okay, we talked about excluding Star Wars. Is there
any does anybody here feel strongly about excluding anything else?

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I feel like Dune is just such an obvious answer.

Speaker 4 (18:27):
Yeah, that perhaps in the interest of exploring a large.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Ready to go to l A. I agree with you, girl.
If we're if we're not counting Star Wars, which is,
you know, spoiler allat basically just June ripped off, then
it makes sense that we would also not include June.
I think. I mean Star.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Wars is don't hold on, don't don't don't discount how
much it also rips off foundation.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Also like every Corsi. Yeah, yeah, but I would also
say I think I think Dune would have been able
to be included pre the Billine movies, which have exploded
it to a whole different level. If you were coming
here and you were like, I'm arguing that my favorite
movie is David Lynch's Dune sci fi movie. You know,

(19:22):
five years ago when none of these existed, I probably
would have said, Okay, there's gonna be enough people who
this will be like a new entry point two, that
it's not so broad. But I think that now I
think it is a big enough one that we also
cut out.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
So looking at looking at our lists, here's what I
think we're doing. And tell me if anybody disagrees with this.
We're saying no Star Wars because you know, it's kind
of like the big daddy of sci fi Joelle and
all apologies to your particular critique. And I think Dune

(19:57):
simply because of recency, let's put it away, because I
think everybody. I think what we're kind of circling around
here with our list is, hey, maybe you haven't seen
this one, or this is a big movie but it
came out twenty thirty years ago, and maybe you haven't
seen it and you should watch it because it's maybe

(20:18):
one that slips through the net.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
I think that's what we're doing. Do we agree?

Speaker 5 (20:22):
I agree?

Speaker 6 (20:23):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (20:24):
And so is does anything else rise to that level
of like you've probably you know, like we don't need
to discuss this Terminator for instance, or or Star Trek
or Alienmina.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
I'm also going to say, like a movie that I
don't think anyone has on our lists, which I would
say two thousand and one A Space Odyssey, right, I
would say, you've heard about it, seen as high as
you go. I would also say I am interested because
I'm trying to think of other big franchises like this,

(20:58):
and I mean, I don't think any of us are
going to include these, but like Planet of the Apes,
that's definitely like one of those big sci fi franchises.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
How does Joel feel about it?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Is it? I looked at it for a long time.
Here's what.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Definitely are right right, You're talking.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Right right right.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
They're testing and they create these, you know, like hyperanals.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
So the new ones definitely are. The old ones might
be more fantasy.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Mm hmmm, I think yeah. The old ones are almost
more like a old universe, post apocalyptic world kind of sur.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
There's very little science. The rocket ship.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
I do believe I was gonna say, I do believe
that the notion of the movie is that you could
go through space so fast and so long that you
would end up in the future. So I'm like, could
it be? But anyway, basically irrelevant because none of us
picked them. Now, I will bring up one that I
was considering a lot, and I'm not going to include

(21:58):
because I do think this is too popular. But what
about Godzilla? Because the original Godzilla movie from nineteen fifty
four is about a nuclear bomb. It's about the evolution
of like a dinosaur like creature. So and it started
a subgenre kind of like Planet of the Apes did
with this. But the Godzilla sub genre was, you know,

(22:20):
kaiju science fiction. There's definitely movies like Godzilla versus Bolante
where you have the movie where it's like the scientist
is doing the experiments to create the kaiju. But I
think that we are in a Godzilla, I think the
renaissance right now. So I don't think we need to
include those either.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
My thought is that is a very specific genre. Now
that well, I agree with you. It might have started
as like a sci fi offshoot. I think the monster Kaiju,
Kaiju Monster, It's it's like the Blob, King Kong, Godzilla,
et cetera. Yeah, yeah, Attack of the fifty the Woman

(23:00):
great one.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
Yes, So okay, oh, that's I mean that where do
we stand?

Speaker 2 (23:08):
We are where do we stand on the sub genre
of shrinking or growing? Joel incredible shrinkingly.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
It absolutely fits into the notion of how we explained honey,
I shrunk the kids, but like, yeah, incredible voyage. I think,
oh yeah, I loved the Incredible Voyage as a kid.
I think it's going to be very interesting because I think,
really what this is and what this conversation is is
about the sci fi stories that speak to us and

(23:47):
the kind of vibes. Now, I will say, wait.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
I just want to say one thing that I think
that we've just should hammer this down. So growing into
a monster sized monster movie, shrinking so that you could
go inside a body or inside like between particles, science
science fiction.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Monsters.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
Okay, we gotta keep.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
We gotta make the rule book.

Speaker 3 (24:18):
Ye are we?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Are we not? Are we thinking post Romulus post the
kind of big boom with Alien f coming? Is Alien?
Is Alien franchise out? Is it too big because it
is science fiction?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
I think it's you think I think it is science fiction,
and I think the alien movies are my sense, is
their fair game?

Speaker 1 (24:43):
And then we can you know, we're going to debate these.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Yeah, so when it comes up, But I think people
should feel free to try it. It's not like Star Wars,
where it's a hard exclude or do.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I like that. I like that.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Okay, should we should we take a break and then
get to our lists.

Speaker 6 (25:00):
Let's do it.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Let's let's take a quick.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
And we're back.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
Okay. I'm gonna just say, our order of list is
just gonna be my riverside window in clockwise order, starting
in top left. So that means, Carmen, you're gonna start,
You're gonna give us your here's what I think we
should do. Let's all give our fives, and then we
will go through and in the same order, we will

(25:42):
vote on everybody's list. Carmen, what's your five?

Speaker 6 (25:45):
All right? So at the very top of my list
is definitely my favorite sci fi movie and the one
that I can remember seeing first that wasn't a Star
Wars property, And this is the fifth element. I was
like seven or eight years old. My dad was taking
me into a Hi Fi buys and there was a
home theater demonstration, and it was the scene where they're

(26:06):
actually like generating Leelou's body and then putting like the
clothes on her, and I remember being I remember being
absolutely mesmerized by that, and I remember my dad being like,
we gotta go, we gotta go, and I'm like, no,
I'm watching this movie like this is cool. I love it. Actually, yeah,
it's like it's I rewatch it constantly because to me,
it's like the one of the gayest sci fi movies

(26:27):
that exists. Chris Tucker is amazing a Mealy, Bruce Willis
is at his peak of sexiness, costumes done by Jean
Paul Gautier, amazing McDonald's costumes by Jean Paul Gautier. Okay,
I'm there for it. And then the last thing that

(26:48):
I'm still obsessed with today from this movie is the
Chanelle branded I Makeup applicator where she puts it over
and it instantly gives her an I makeup. Like we're
still waiting for that in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
That's technology that doesn't exist.

Speaker 6 (27:06):
Yeah, next one is gonna be for me. You're gonna
notice a big theme on minus cyberpunk. Ghost in the
Shell love the original Ghost in the Show choice animated movie.
It inspired the Matrix if you don't know, And yeah,
it's it's one of these amazing stories of like transhumanism
and if all of my parts are replaced with robotic parts.

(27:27):
Am I human or am I a robot? Which is it?

Speaker 3 (27:30):
You know?

Speaker 6 (27:32):
And so it's a very very interesting question of what
makes someone a human and what makes somebody synthetic? And
I just love that theme. Next one for me is
one that I watched recently. This is nineteen ninety seven's Gatica.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
There's a banga movie, I you really pay.

Speaker 6 (27:51):
Gattica is a great one for me because aesthetically, I
love the way that it combines film noir aesthetics with
that kind of like sci fi aesthetic. And so I'm
really obsessed with the film nor aesthetic, which we see
in Blade Runner as well, and I love that that's
like just so throughout Gatika, the hair, the makeup, the styling,

(28:14):
the clothes. I don't the script doesn't even have to
be good for me, y'all. It could just be about
the aesthetics. Okay, okay. Next movie nineteen seventy four's or
two thousand and four's The Stepford Wives. I rewatched it
last night and I changed my mind. I'll tell you why.
It's kind of a boring movie and not a lot happens.

(28:35):
And then I realized, and then I realized, wait, Companion
is a movie that I saw earlier this year that
I'm absolutely obsessed with. And thematically they're not at all
about the same thing. They're obviously about two separate things,
but thematically, thematically, yeah, I think it touches on a
lot of the same issues of what it's like to

(28:56):
be a woman in a relationship that you feel powerless
in and you feel like a piece of property in,
you know. And so Companion is a great, I think
upgraded version of the Stepford Wives.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
I was gonna say, I also think you saved yourself
because Stepford Wives is definitely getting into that, like what
does it count? Like where which version of it? What's
the reveal at the end? Like you you depend on.

Speaker 6 (29:23):
That right exactly, And it's it's such a slow burn too,
I'm like, damn.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Call Companion definitely a science fiction yes, so what is it?

Speaker 2 (29:31):
So?

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Is it so Stepford Wives? Is your is on your list?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
It is?

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Or Companion has taken its.

Speaker 6 (29:36):
Companion has taken its place. But I wanted to tell
a little story, Okay, okay, okay. And then my last
one is of course the classic Blade Runner in nineteen
eighty two. I live that it combines the film noir
aesthetic with the cyberpunk aesthetic, which I think this is
probably one of the films that like really establishes the
cyberpunk I think.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
You're I can feel the audience screaming, which cut Carmen,
which yeah, common.

Speaker 6 (30:02):
Look, can I be honest with you all? When I
go to the movies, I am the I have the
propeller hat on, I have the big lollipop man. I've
just I love the movies.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
I don't let me let me.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
That has do you like compassion? That has the voiceover
or doesn't have the.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
Voice no voiceover?

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Okay, that's that's at least.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Woman original director, original directors.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
Yes, and I own that one, so yes, yes. And
that's my list.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Great, great list. Up next A boo, A boo? Your five?

Speaker 5 (30:43):
Okay, my five? And this is in order. Starting out
one is Children of Men, followed by This is already controversial,
This has been blown up the group chat. Number two
is heard.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Been one of my favorite movies of all. Yes, mine too,
and I will be arguing in favor of a food.

Speaker 5 (31:01):
Number two is her number three, District nine, number four Arrival,
and number five ppacific fucking spacific.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Rim some interesting things to talk about.

Speaker 5 (31:14):
Considering discourse exactly, considering we divided kaiju into a different category.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
But I will say though in Pacific rim they are
naturally occurring creatures that come through a portal. They do
not grow to a crazy size.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
All save it for the discussion, but I agree this
is an important details. You know, I think all great
movies I'm eager to debate my list. Here is my list,
in no particular order. Edge of Tomorrow twenty fourteen, the

(31:53):
Tom Cruise box office bomb that I think is one
of the modern day sci fi classics lived I repeat,
et cetera. One of the great groundhog day genre subgenre
movies based on a comic, The Eternal Sunshine of the
Spotless Mind two thousand and four.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Come on, it's such a beautiful girl. Will take away
credit from Garden State. I think to me, Garden State
really did it. I would get it in a way
that was that Eternal Sunshine cemented it as a as

(32:33):
a genre staple.

Speaker 2 (32:36):
I think to me it Garden State, because of the
soundtrack track aspect, really put the manic pixie dream girl
center stage in pop culture because it like surrounded her
with this sound, with this uh suite of songs, that.
I don't know about you, but I was. That was

(32:57):
in my iPod, iPod shuffle or iPod or whatever I
was using at the time.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
So Eternal Sunshine and the Spotless Mind. I just think
it's a beautiful, incredibly beautiful, beautiful looking, beautifully shot movie.
Jim Carrey, if you're ever like that, guy's not a
real actor. Eternal Shunshine, he goes the full, he gives
you everything in that film. Kate Winslet at him, unbelievable,
shocking chemistry.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
It's just a good movie. Strange Days.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
I think, here's my bubble pit, Here's the one that
I could feel people maybe trying to shoot down. I
think that this and Children of Men are two of
the most prophetic dystopia's, Like we live in Strange Days
now and Children of Men we will be there in

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fifteen years. It feels like Strange Days.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Great movie.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
If you haven't seen it, I believe it's on Criterion
and you can probably watch it on Max or.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Something like that.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Also, Hot Hot Ray Fie, does everybody does anybody remember
pre Voldemort when Ray fines.

Speaker 4 (34:09):
Angela, Yeah, it fine as hell.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
That rembers.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Oh my god, good god, really good movie. And it
gives you a version of Los Angeles that feels like
old and new. Aniara twenty eighteen. I saw this movie recently.
It's a Swedish film about You can watch it on Hulu,
and I recommend you do. The thing I love about

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international sci fi, recent international sci fi is you know,
like we're so CGI dependent here with like Western big
budget movies that it can feel kind of lifeless. And
Aniara has there's a dramatic, like a human quality of
the kind of practical effects of like the more focused

(34:59):
utilization of the CGI they do have of there's a creativity,
like it's clearly shot in the mall.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
It stands in for a.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
Spaceship and it's about a journey to Mars that gets
rerooted because of space debris and the collapse of the
internal society over time of this spaceship. And it's really
dark and really scary, but also very human and.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
It's good, it's worthwhile.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
And then finally they live nineteen eighty eight, John Corp
That just just one of the great political sci fi thrillers,
with everything completely over the top. I think it you
could convince me that this is John Carpenter's masterpiece.

Speaker 1 (35:49):
I think people are. I think people are having that
conversation now, especially because this is an extreme, extremely influential movie.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
I yes, up next, Rosie, It's me.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
This is very hard. I love lots of movies in
this genre, but I am going to say number one
pick is a Kira. I think that's one of the
best movies ever made, obviously one of the best animated
movies ever made, very defiantly about the strange world of
kind of experiments and esp It could also be argued,

(36:23):
I am aware of this that is more of like
a supernatural movie if you really dig into it. But
I think with like the visuals of Neo Tokyo and
the kind of way that a Tomo perceives the future,
I think is I think it fits. Also, I will
say my second pick is of two Jehoven movies on
here at Starship Troopers. I think that's like a really

(36:47):
fast ready to do my part. I'm ready to do
my part, and I will say, who knows, maybe somebody
will argue that akin to Black Mirror, this is actually
very much in the space of like a satire more
than a side. I think that monster is monster. I
think it's sci fi in its establishing tropes, trappings and

(37:08):
story that it tells with the satire on side. Our
third pick is my second Verhoven movie. I could have put,
honestly done like five Viehoven science fiction films, but this
is RoboCop. I think it is a masterpiece. I think
it's a sci fi masterpiece. I also think it's very
prescient and scary and all that kind of stuff. My

(37:29):
next pick is the far more family friendly but still
ultimately terrifying Jurassic Park, one of the greatest science fiction
books and movies ever made. Is it more of a
monster movie? Let's argue about it in a minut And
then my last pick is the really, really weird and

(37:50):
haunting High Life from twenty eighteen, directed by Claire Denis,
who I love, stars Robert Pattinson and Julia Binochet. I
was originally going to include her movie from two thousand
and one, which is called Trouble every Day, which is
about to be showing at Bleak Week in la and
it is so horrible and scary and part of the

(38:12):
French New Extremity. It really launched the French New Extremity movement,
though she didn't get any credit for it, but I
decided that was like much more in the horror vein,
even though it does have a lot of the conversation
kind of points that we said about starting a horror
I mean starting as about science that we don't have
and experimentation. But yeah, I'm going for High Life because
it is set on a spaceship. It's about space colonies

(38:37):
and space prisons and the way that people are exploited
in prison and in kind of capitalist society. So I
think that works. I also have five alts for whenever
you guys are trying to take my off the list,
and then finally Joelle.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
All right, here we go by first one is the
day that Erst is still the nineteen fifty one edition, not.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
The two thousand. With love and respect to Keanu.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
No.

Speaker 4 (39:06):
I mean, if you haven't seen the film, it's genuinely
a masterpiece, but it's it's an exploration of like, when
humans feel threatened, what is our reaction? And it's mostly
violent and it's pretty horrible.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
To the Fly one of the most Disma original.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Wait wait wait wait, I remake I remake sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry,
Jeff Goldbloom, Jeff gold Bloom. One really works for me
because Juloom is unbelievably hot in that movie, but also
the bodygore transformation. I think we live in a world
really obsessed with plastic surgery right now. And if you
watch The Fly and this like like incredible push to

(39:46):
just constantly be altering and changing and advancing, and then
the like complete falling apart of it, Like I just
I really really love The Fly. I went back and
forth on my time table movies guys. Originally I was like,
Back to the Future, it's epic, and then Aaron said,
I can't believe nobody has said everything everywhere all at once,
And I said, oh, pause. And I think because time

(40:11):
travel is more essential to everything everywhere all at once
in that there's a constant use of it and a
flux and a twist, where as opposed to, you know,
in Back to the Future, it's a it's a direct thing.
You go there, you got this car, you come back.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
Yes, if he doesn't. If he doesn't go there, he's
going to not exist. So I would say it is
quite important.

Speaker 2 (40:33):
Also, we know all the history of popular culture is okay.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
This white boy just store black history.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I could come on, never have had the idea it's
not for Marty Fly.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
Yeah, so I think you know everything everywhere all at once.
Just a good point. Then I was gonna selling harm
in this morning.

Speaker 4 (41:01):
I was like, oh, I had Smart House on the
list because Guys as a child more game changing than
Smart House.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Watch it's such a good movie.

Speaker 4 (41:11):
But then I was thinking about, okay, well, this is
my kid's movie sort of on my list. Is there
some a movie that does it better? And The Iron
Giants like one of my favorite films.

Speaker 3 (41:22):
Of all time.

Speaker 4 (41:23):
We do not have this technology, and the exploration of
like what is a gun.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
O my heart?

Speaker 1 (41:29):
I do not have an Iron Giant?

Speaker 3 (41:31):
We could use one? We could use one.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
And finally Alien for I think reasons I should be obvious,
but could technically be voted out.

Speaker 3 (41:41):
We'll see.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Well, I think this is a fan whatever happens after
the ad break, let's just acknowledge this is a fantastic Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:52):
Good for us.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
If you are gonna go out and watch some sci
fi movies, you're gonna be pleasantly surprised to find an
fae from this list. No question, like whatever else happens
after the break, whether we are still a pulcast after that,
whether we still are friends, after that. Just remember, guys,
we put together an incredible list.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
The knives are coming out, accrat and we are back. Okay,

(42:34):
so should we go? Let's go in reverse order with
peopless films to vote out films. So we'll start with
Joelle's film Bring It, and here I will repeat the
list again today. The Earth should Still nineteen fifty one,
a true classic, The Cronenberg, The Flyes, starring Jeff Goldbloom

(42:56):
and Geena Davis looking super hot, both of them. Uh,
everything everywhere, all at once. The Daniels Kaye Kwon. I
mean what is to be has not be, said Michelle Yo.
The Iron Giant, A heart and actually a movie that's
so good that I don't rewatch it because it makes
me feel too feelings that are too deep and alien.

(43:20):
Just one of the great, one of the great films.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Does anybody have any uh pressing criticisms or issues to
raise with the list?

Speaker 1 (43:33):
If not, I will start, he said. Guess what I do?

Speaker 2 (43:39):
I do have one, I think, and I'm happy to
I think I'm gonna get voted out, but I want
to raise this. I think Animated is its own thing.
I think Animated is its own an can't be I'm
not saying it. I'm not saying it can't be sci fi,
but I'm saying the surreality and pure imaginative nature of

(44:05):
animated like Superhero is a super container for genres. It's
not that it's not sci fi. It's not that it's
not fantasy. It's not that it's not a family drama.
It's that because it's not based in material objects that
are filmed, it is a pure imagination space that can

(44:25):
be all of those things. And therefore I am voting
to exclude.

Speaker 3 (44:34):
I may be.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Voted down because of the lists that are out there,
but I just wanted to raise he said, I.

Speaker 4 (44:43):
The Spielberg film. You remember The Battle of Leader? Or
do we consider this film sci fi or not? Based
off of your animation?

Speaker 3 (44:55):
Anim but it.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
Is not fully captured either, and the scope of limitation
is about the same as well.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Guys, I'm going to tell you the issue here. The
real issue is that we are no longer talking about though.
I do believe that if we had laid this out before,
we could have separated animation potentially, but that is a
format issue that is like a medium, it's not a
genre issue. So I don't think we can take things
out just as like we couldn't take out other live

(45:27):
action movies because there like, I just don't think I
think it's a format issue. A boo. I saw that
you had some thoughts.

Speaker 5 (45:34):
I agree entirely. I don't think we can entire storytelling.
Animation is a medium. Superhero films are not a different,
entirely different medium.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Jesus right, But I love but we all love our pixels.

Speaker 3 (45:54):
Okay, selective hearing is wild.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
I feel I feel like Rosie has a great point.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
I agree with.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
It's a medium in this well, I agree that it
is a kind of storytelling, but I think the medium
is still film, is it not? So? I I kind
of feel like the medium is still film, but the
style of storytelling is animated. And I take Joel's point

(46:28):
that there certain stories lean on animation to a lesser
and fuller degree. But I do think fully animated films
now you know, now we're going to talk about motion
cap and what about what if? What if the characters
are motion caps? But I still fully animated films. Well,

(46:49):
I think we did for but I think that fully
animated films personally, I feel like should be excluded are
its own thing, and we should have our own list
of those films.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
But I know I'm going to vote.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
With hands yes, sure the eyes the eyes animated are
voting no.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
The the animation is in.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Okay, animation is in. I raise your hands like animation is.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
So that's three. Animation is out.

Speaker 7 (47:25):
Four to one.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
I'm voted down. Okay, So animation I will bring I
will bring up the issue an issue that I think
we could talk about. The Fly is undoubtedly a science
fiction movie. But is it also is it like nowadays
in twenty twenty five, is it also to perceived as
a horror movie? Like are we? Are we giving? Where

(47:48):
do we put the lines on that? Because like the
Fly is a fact, it is a science fiction movie
about well if you could, uh like meld the man
with a fly? First of all, why would you do that?
So now we don't have the technology. But like I
also do wonder if like is it is it like
too horror or are we I guess alien is also
horror sipers, So I guess the question is how subgenrely

(48:11):
are we getting in?

Speaker 5 (48:12):
But you could see a world in which it would
be billed as a horror movie. First, you know, like
the and it was marketed that way.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
Is genre horror or is it sci fi?

Speaker 6 (48:23):
No, he didn't try to turn himself into a fly.
It was an accident.

Speaker 1 (48:27):
It was an accident. He was trying to teleport himself success,
but he did turn into a fly.

Speaker 3 (48:38):
Yes, yes, And basically I'm.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Hearing that despite Joelle's controversial ideas of what Star Wars
is or is not, whether it does fit into the
sci fi genre, I'm hearing that her pigs are actually
quite uncontroversial. Well, well, I would say that I have
another tells. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (49:01):
Look, I don't even know if I entirely believe that
I have thought out loud, if when I think of
everything everywhere, all at once, I don't think my first
thought is not sci fi. I was about to say,
you know, I understand that it's a parallel timeline story.
There's time travel to some extent multiverse, like yeah, multiverses
at its core, those are all sci fi elements. But

(49:23):
for some intangible reason, I do not think of that
as a sci fi film.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
It feels, well, can I try to Can I try
to clarify because a boo, I have the same feeling.
Although again, I'm happy to be voted down. Here is
my feeling with everything everywhere all at once, I think
I think the version of time travel that is being
displayed in this movie is essentially like a higher understanding

(49:49):
of the natural world and less using science to access
the time stream. It's like, hey, nature and the quantum
realm give rise to this kind of thing that's happening
independently of our story, and our characters kind of get
sucked into it. There's very little like Okay, although I

(50:10):
will I will eat hold on. I do agree that
characters build technology to access the multiverse. But that's why
I'm going to ancillary to the kind of existence of
the multiverse.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
To me, it's on the bubble.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I'm happy to have it, but I have the same
kind of reservations that a Boo has. Carmen, I see
you the fingers up the nails, the clause.

Speaker 6 (50:39):
I'm well, I'm just I'm thinking about other things on
the list, and I'm thinking if we don't consider Everything
Everywhere All at Once a sci fi for the fact
that they are using a higher consciousness to access time travel,
then Arrival would also fall under that same category.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
When well, well, let's stick to let's stay we I
don't disagree, but let's let's stick to the list. Let's
take the vote on everything, everywhere, all at once. Let's
take a vote on everything everywhere, all at once. The
yes is it is sci fi. Let's see the show
of hands. Two, let's see the show of hands.

Speaker 1 (51:16):
It is not sci fi. I think I.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Might not have spoken up and the bravery of that man,
so we're gonna have to go to an alt But
let's let's go through the rest of the list.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
I now, I just want to raise this issue.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
I think I don't subscribe personally to Joel's I think
a little too targeted definition of sci fi.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
But I have to.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
Wonder if the films on Joel's list actually rise to
Joel's definition of sci fi. Alien for Existence, for instance,
I agree that there's a science officer and there's an AI,
and there's a discussion of like stuff mining and geology,
but it's.

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Also like not super explored. I don't know. And I
think you could say the same of.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
The Iron Giant, which is like they never talk about
what the giant can do. In fact, like explicitly the
technology behind the Giant is just kind of like mysterious
and just almost disx machina. Do you have any I
sense you having a retort? Joel, what is your retort
to that?

Speaker 4 (52:39):
Okay, so for alien to start there, because your big
bad is ultimately a deceiving droid who is so human
they don't even know. And then the mother of sist,
like the plot is you've been set up to die,
so you could worth alien here.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
That to me is what makes it sci fi.

Speaker 4 (53:01):
I would agree that if it was more alien, we
could be more creature focused, but aliens sort of like
almost like you know, also lured into this trout like
also a victim on some level, and so that's why
I classify that sci fi. Now for Okay, Iron Giant,
I hear your argument. I think for me, what makes

(53:23):
it sci fice? And maybe this is getting too niche,
but like it's set in the fifties, so like this
robot is like already like sort of like this way
futuristic appeal to this character, and so he doesn't really
need to understand the science because the whole point is
like could science create something that then is like so horrific?

(53:44):
The device itself is like I'm not interested in being
what you've programmed me to be and that to me
is what makes it science fiction. It's like this again,
a human reacting to the technology and then the technology
reacting back.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
Like that's peak science fiction.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
I would I would also say, I do think I
don't fully buy it, but I'm excited.

Speaker 7 (54:07):
I am also saying, guys, this is this is the
cause of what we have, what we have tried to
sell out here is you start laying out boundaries outside
of just like vibes, because then you're like, well, the
day the US, that's still like, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Obviously it is a science fiction because there's like an alien,
But then you're like, so does any movie with an
alien count as science fiction?

Speaker 2 (54:30):
So let's just murte on the let's just moan on
these alien. Yes, it's sci fi science fiction.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
I'm sorry, guys, I was the only one who said,
let's hear the dissenting opinion. What do you say, No,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yes, Okay, you were just lacking. Sorry, So alien is
unanimous sci fi? The Fly sci fi? Yes, I think unanimous,
The Daily still sci fi.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Yeah, it's sci fi. The Iron Giant there is no
double jeopardy.

Speaker 2 (55:07):
But who agrees with me that the Iron Giant does
not rise to Joel's definition. Rise to Joel's definition Joel,
Joel is already in.

Speaker 8 (55:23):
Guys, I'm I'm proposing because of how in depth this is,
and because we could obviously talk about it, so they
how about instead of proposing alts for the five, the
final list that we recommend is just all the stuff
that didn't get strike sure.

Speaker 3 (55:40):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
I like that we can certainly the the altar are
gonna get heavily talk. Okay, next up Rosie's films.

Speaker 1 (55:52):
RoboCop, Jurassic Park, Highlight.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
Does anybody have any outstanding issues with any of these films?
We could start there before we start votes.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
Perfect I'll raise the bubble. I think it's on the bubble.
Jurassic Park? Is it not monster? I understand those genetic engineering,
but is it? But is it primarily monster? I also, well,
I'm not supposed to do this of my own thing,
But I also do think you raised an interesting point
about like the notion of like effects and animation, because honestly,

(56:27):
is Jurassic Park not in hindsight more of like an
unbelievable step forward in special effects making it a special
effects monster movie. I could agree, but I think I'm
gonna make the argument because I did pick this. The
science of Jurassic Park is such a huge part of it,

(56:47):
but there are literally when you go to Universal Studios,
they have toys of the like you can buy you
and buy stuff. It's so much a part of it
that we all understand. We even know the lore of it,
which is that the reason that they couldn't control it

(57:08):
and life would find a way is because they used
a frog that could change its gender, which allowed the animals.
You know, I think it's so much a part of
it that we almost might forget it. But I do
think that discussion.

Speaker 5 (57:20):
Is that I think Jura part films lean more monster film,
but the first I agree with enough.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Science, I tend to agree to it. So we don't
seem to mind that the science takes place in the
first fifteen minutes of the movie and eighty five percent
of the rest of the movie is a monster run.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
If they did do science, that they didn't do science,
the monsters would not exist. I tend to agree with you.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
I just think we need to be rigorous. Okay, any
other outstanding issues that anybody has with this list? A
cure Starship Trooper Robochopterissic Park, High Life.

Speaker 5 (58:02):
I mean, if we're gonna talk about animation, I've already.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Raised my issues.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
I feel like I said my piece.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I got shot.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I think it's so multi genre that it's hard to
pin down. You know what I mean. It's it's definitely
got the sci fi elements.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I do think that that is the case. That was
my issue with everything everywhere once, So I will hate you.
I'm also just gonna warn you comment and you know
I love I'm gonna warn you this, this very argument
could potentially be an issue for one of your picks.
They're very still.

Speaker 6 (58:40):
Hold on, I'll say, I'll say, I'll say. The thing
that goes through my mind and a Kira that doesn't
that that army kind of like sets is that the
supernatural children like that whole Like that's true?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Can I And I feel like I don't want to
feel like a broken record, but I want to ask,
just ask the question. Is it not more of a
kind of superhero story in that it is both animated
and a mashup of multiple genres. I agree that there's
a sci fi element, but like like the Iron Giant,

(59:22):
which is in there, I also feel like along with
the genre mash, along with the issues that animated that
I'm the only one that cares about if there's also
the ancillary issue that it does not rise to the
Joel definition of sci fi.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
That's true, that's true, and so there's that. Sorry, any other?

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Is the sci fi aesthetic and backdrop of Neo Tokyo
enough to call the whole movie side.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
From dramatic great points?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
I think that's what we're So let's take a vote.
Let's let's vote on the list. Let's we'll start with
a curra.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
A curra. It is sci fi hands.

Speaker 9 (01:00:09):
O curra is not sci fi hands for one, it's
not sci fi Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:00:27):
Struck out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Starship Troopers.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
It is sci fi show of hands.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
Yes, he.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
It is sci fi show of hands. Yes, okay, good.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
The Jurassic Park it is sci fi show of hands.
All of us unanimous, despite the significant issues.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
With the balance. Thank you, high life.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
It is this, shouts declared, she's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
It is sci fi show of hands.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Five to one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Okay, your vault, what are you gonna put in there?
As the alt seeing as I feel like this is
gonna be the one that is least controversial as we've
already essentially we have already essentially agreed that this does
count as science fiction and not a monster movie because
they're getting very, very small. I am alting with the

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classic Inner Space about a man who gets shrunk so
tiny and then injected into another man in the mall.
And for some reason, I fucking love this movie as
a kid like I just think it's a really fun
kind of family throwback movie. Yeah, and bait and it is,
like I will say, the one thing I will say,

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definitely in the comedy space, but we spend a lot
of time both inside of somebody's human body in a
little capsure ship, and then there is kind of a
more broad action comedy experience going on outside.

Speaker 2 (01:01:54):
But I will bring that in as I think it's
gonna win. I think that's a unanimous it's science fiction.
I think we all agree with that. That is x
ray vision, x ray Vision's law. Shrink is science fiction.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Grow is miss.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
That's gonna really start some conversations. Okay, let's go to
a quick break and then we'll be back with more.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
And we're at okay. Next up is my list Edge
of Tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
Eternal Sunshine is spotless sign Strange Days, Aniara, they live.
Anybody have any issues with my list? Okay, and I
can see I'm gonna I'm gonna bubble issues.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
I'm waiting for them. Yeah, Okay, I'm gonna put something
out there, Shine of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind. Okay,
it is based on a technology, as Joelle was saying,
but if Akira is essentially like, it's got the aesthetics
of a side but is not a sci fi is
a title Sunshine and Spotless Mine a movie by one

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of my favorite directors, by the way, which I do love,
but like, is it sci fi enough? Or is it
like an indie kind of drama with the sci fi element? Interesting?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
This is going to bring up her issues, I can see,
But the rest is effectively I will. I see your point,
And I was, and I was anticipating this. I think
I'm going to raise the Jurassic.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
As soon as I said it, as I said, it
was like sh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
And say that that because everything happens because of the
mind to race Son, it's true, therefore it's sci fi correct.
But I'm any other issues with this, I'll raise so
to me, Strange Days has a little bit of the
same issue. It's essentially a very very immersive arc technology,

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and with the kind of all future take I could
see it being on the bubble. I just want to
raise the issue with it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:09):
I think. I think the thing about Strange Days is
that falls into almost.

Speaker 10 (01:04:14):
Your Akira Blade Runner issue, which is like, is it
is the esthetic and the vibe and the vision enough.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Is it more of a post apocalyptic movie? Is it
more of a sci fi movie? I love this movie.
I would actually come down on the side that it
fits within the general parameters, though I don't necessarily know
if we have, like off the top of my head,
a very incisive conversation about the technology as it exists.
But I do think generally I would like it to

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be on the list because I think it's a really
great movie and for a long time was not available
for people to watch, So I do think it fits in.
I think the number one to me for the way
we're doing the list, I think the absolute safe one
on your list is Ani first of all, because I
think that's like a heart I love that movie. I
think it's a direct science fiction film A lot of

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times actually the notion of a low budget sci fi
It's why I picked high life. They often feel a
lot more like the science fiction we grew up with,
and like this very physical, touchable sci fi. I would say,
I do think there is an element. I'm not gonna lie.
As much as I do love this movie, I think

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it's amazing. I have watched the fucking Jijak like They
Live breakdown of the trash fight like five hundred thousand times.

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
You know the aliens, you know the they common state
they are are politicians with the new liberal politicians.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
I'm gonna say the technology of the glasses in They
Live is very fucking bad. Like you put them on,
it's kind of magic.

Speaker 6 (01:05:55):
You put them on, you can see them.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
And then like they don't really talk. Then the it's
kind of more of like a conspiracy thriller. So I
would say, but aliens. It does have aliens aliens, but
is aliens enough for it to be a sci fi movie.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Isn't technology so advanced that you don't understand it essentially magic?

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Well guess what that is? Exactly? Yes, Also, I mean
I'm not I'm not gonna lie. That is basically like
the biggest argument about all sci fi. So yes, very good,
you know me.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
I treat features.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
Features in that case, Man, I gotta tell you something.
You bet you lucky that the day the up stand
still because that's a Preacher features alien.

Speaker 2 (01:06:43):
Let's vote. Let's vote, okay. At Edge of Tomorrow it
is sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Yes, yeah, it's a time lisk, but it's sci fi.
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, it is sci fi.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
The Jurassic corollary gets it in there straight days. It
is a sci fi show of hands yep, okay, five Aniara,
it is a sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:07:07):
They're all going through that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:08):
Here is the bubble one they live. Is it a
sci fi?

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
It's not a sci fi? Four to one? Hold on what?

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
So let's hear it though. What is not a sci fi?

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I can see if you want to tell me, like,
it's a political thriller with sci fi compiracy thriller festival.

Speaker 6 (01:07:29):
Where does he gets the glass movie?

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
It's also a horror movie. He finds the glasses just
in a ball, and I look.

Speaker 6 (01:07:38):
I need them to come from.

Speaker 2 (01:07:40):
I mean the science of broadcast communications and the electro magnetic.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
List of I no, the hacker takes over the TV,
but I'm sorry, both of those technologies do exist, and
I would say the book it does just like it's
just like crash Box.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
I want to just point out that one of the
things we did establish with the Iron Giant is as
long as the science was futuristic for the period, that
is true.

Speaker 1 (01:08:19):
But but but somebody taking open like a somebody being
a hacker in the late eighties that existed in the termina.
I'm willing to again, I I I get it. I'm
willing to. Okay, So we voted it's out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
Is it? Is it out?

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
I think it's out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
Okay, So then I'm going to gosh, let's I'm gonna
look at my I do, but but I can see
I can see some uh some holes in some of
them despite them being great.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Okay, what about this, I'm gonna go with I know
what should goodness, you don't know you're gonna go with.
I'm gonna go with nineteen eighty five Enemy Mind, And
then I know it as a sci fi movie, guys,

(01:09:17):
I just know he loves this movie.

Speaker 2 (01:09:18):
It's it's so I do love this movie. Dennis Quaid
and Lewis Gossip Junior are are a human and alien, respectively,
on two sides of a galactic war. They get maroon
together on an icy planet, and they have to bridge
their differences. Dennis Quaid also in Innerspace, what a sci
fi career he had in the Ees. Let's take the

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vote on it, Enemy mind.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Is it a sci fi? Yes?

Speaker 4 (01:09:45):
Sorry, I haven't seen these, so I just want to
just want to clarify one point. So he's a space
traveler who runs into an alien.

Speaker 2 (01:09:53):
No, no, no, there's a there's a galactic war going
on and he they are both starship pilots on opposite
sides of war, and they're right, and they they crash
on an icy planet. And uh, I should say that
the plot hinges significantly on the alien biology of of

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Jeribah Lewis Gossa Jr. And the fact that the males
of the species, in their of their race give birth,
and so Lewis gossip Junior gives birth to Zamus, and uh,
Dennis Quaid's characters feelings of warmth and a fatherly love

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for this child is part of what brings peace to
these two warring nations.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
I gotta say, it's giving me a little children of
men where it's like, okay, where is this scientist someone.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
Right now? And then there's and then there's the science.
Where's the science of like an alien species giving birth?
And how they definitely humans.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Delivering the baby?

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Are they?

Speaker 3 (01:11:13):
Dennis Quick? That helps?

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Louisconsin Junior is like, you need to help me give
birth to this child. I'm going to talk you through crazy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
Okay, we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
Beautiful and forgotten film it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
Is, but not forgotten on X ray vision, not a
Let's hold her vote? Is it sci fi?

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
Yes, I'm gonna give this okay.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Oh Joelle, you never actually voted in an all after
you lost everything everywhere. We'll come home. Up next to
boot film.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Children Children of Men Her District nine Arrival Pacific rim
any outstanding issues from the group for a Boo's List, Joel,
I see Carmen, excuse me, I see the I see
the nail up.

Speaker 6 (01:12:08):
A cool claw. So Children of Men I was definitely
on the fence about because I kept saying in the
group chat, I'm like, it's just a dystopian probable future,
possible future. There's no future tech in it. Now A
Boo has very cleverly, very very cleverly, It's included a

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screenshot here that is what is this?

Speaker 2 (01:12:32):
It's a at best minor plot. This is the son
of a This is the son of a of a
character who's playing like a Tetris style video game on it.
They never discuss it, and it has nothing to do.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
With the.

Speaker 5 (01:12:54):
This show came out in two thousand and six, which
is before the iPhone, and we're seeing like touch interface
in the screenshot.

Speaker 1 (01:13:03):
So by the rules I does that's fair. I also
just have to say, guys, sorry to get bleak, but
I'll tell you something that exists in this movie that
doesn't currently exist but could soon exist. I mean, there
is like an entire economic, uh kind of landscape in
this movie that A big part of it is that

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they have like special pills and then areas where old
people can go and kill themselves. But it's not like
your traditional suicide like we have seen. It's this like
mass version of it where it's also like essentially mandatory.
I think that that is a technology that we don't
currently have, thank god. And I will also say I

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just I do for me. Children of Men is a
science fiction because it also is based on the notion
without this nothing would happen. That there is like a
human evolutionary change, and the evolution very changes that nobody
can give birth anymore?

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:14:03):
That is interesting to me. That is a science fiction hypothetical,
even though it's not about creating a technology, it is
about the science of human beings and how we evolve
and how we.

Speaker 2 (01:14:15):
Like special point of it. I'm going to here's my
issues with it again.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
I love this film.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
One throw out the game console. You've got much stronger
arguments than that, because it really does not impact this wave.
I think, to me, is this not more of a

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this is a story about public health and societal collapse?
And I agree with you that is it an evolutionary change?
Is it a public health issue? I think we've all
lived through an event that feels broadly like Children of
Men that in ways that feel that feel very now

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true to life. Would I would argue that this falls
under the I would argue that is this not a dystopia,
which are not necessarily sci fi?

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
This is more of a collapse of society story less
a science fiction story.

Speaker 1 (01:15:22):
Those are the issues I have with it.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
Does anybody else have anything else about that or anything else.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Well on the list?

Speaker 6 (01:15:28):
Or should we just I would say to just kind
of I guess okay, I said this in the group chat,
but if if Children of Men is considered a sci
fi and we have like maybe one example of future
tech in it, would we consider The Handmaid's Tale a
sci fi if it had future tech in it?

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:15:46):
No, I don't think it's aciehy, Yeah it's not. I
do think the delineation here between dystopia and sci fi
is blurry, And so I can understand how this is
a controversial one. I'm believe them.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
Mount amount of has been going games not a sci fi?

Speaker 6 (01:16:08):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
WHOA is a sci fi? S Okay?

Speaker 5 (01:16:15):
Sorry you guys, I think you were just saying, to
Rosie's point, if we're going to start splitting hairs between
what is dystopian, what is post apocalyptic, what is not?
I suppose that while we're here, but we risk a
slippery slope.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
You know.

Speaker 5 (01:16:30):
I think we've already slipped very far down the slope
by knocking Akira off of the list, honestly, But if
we continue.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Down this, which which you have.

Speaker 5 (01:16:44):
Later, I'm utterly regretting my choice because it throws most
of my listed Like the way as well, if if
we knock off Children of Men, you could argue, like
iconic sci fi films snow Piercer Fahrenheit four fifty one,
The road like these are these could all also just.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
The roads the road vote pier.

Speaker 3 (01:17:05):
Not being uh.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
That yeah, the children a train is like nineteenth century.

Speaker 11 (01:17:17):
Never say that Snip has an infinite engine that does
not exist.

Speaker 2 (01:17:29):
Let's just say, well, let's not it's not on the list,
so let's not get into snow here, sir. Let's not
get diverted snow here, sir. Okay, films on the list
that we I'm going to raise a couple. I lean
that her is included, but I but I just want

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to raise it like we're it's basically relating problem of
phones like that, it's here. This is technology people are
falling in love with as right now.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
I was gonna say, like till till this year, I
would have been like, yeah, huh, great indie sci fi pick.
But I will say I have seen many screen grabs,
many men who are like falling in love with AI.
I also have many close friends who play the hilarious
game Love and Deep Space, which is essentially about having

(01:18:20):
a sexy AI boyfriend. And there are people who are
just having chat GTP be their real life girlfriend. Now,
so I don't know we have to basically, yea changed

(01:18:42):
we a like a are we at like a weird
transition point when stuff that we are experiencing we have
to accept is still in a science fiction.

Speaker 4 (01:18:52):
Change just because time has passed and and and that's
an interesting question because I know that does happen if
you live, we might what was once considered comedy might
now be a drama because of how these situations.

Speaker 3 (01:19:02):
Sure, but I do think that it's it's strange.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
To say, like, just because the technology is caught up
to where we were at that it no longer qualifies.

Speaker 1 (01:19:11):
I think it's the technology.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
I do you think it's a bubble question? And then
finally I gotta say, I Pacific rim feels more. I mean,
there's a there's a portal under the sea, and the monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:19:27):
Come out of it, and I think that how.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
It's a challenge because there's so many mech suits in it?

Speaker 1 (01:19:36):
Yes, how are they don't? I don't know? Okay, no, no,
no no.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I was also the issue of like, why here's the
thing that's bothered me up a Pacific forever? Use the
fucking sword every single time? Why is why does he
only pull the sword out?

Speaker 1 (01:19:54):
What you get that makes it side by. I don't no,
I'm going to tell you that. I'm gonna tell you something. Guys,
somebody has watched it, has I've watched Specific Rim a lot.
But I do think actually in this case, I think
a boo has found a get around on our fried
you rule because not only do they not grow bigger,

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but also there are mech suits, and not just that
the technology within the mech suits is overly explaining that
maybe some people do not like it that you have
to drift, you have to connect with someone psychologically. There's
a lot of technology there that does not exist and
will probably never exist, but is a major part of
the first specific Can I just think he works? I

(01:20:40):
agree it's on the bubble? Does it not?

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
Though fall a foul of extra Vision's lag growing as much?
I think that while it is monster with sci fi elements,
is it not?

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Is it not monster?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
That's all the masters growing, But if it's still tall,
it's still one hundred feet two hundred feet tall. I think,
like we don't see God's will grow, but it's still
obviously monster anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:21:10):
Okay, And I will readily admit that Pacific Rim doesn't
even meet my standard of sci fi, like what.

Speaker 1 (01:21:15):
So comary.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
And like, but it is just okay, children of Men,
it is sci fi. Show of Hands. I think it's
sci fi. It's just too it's so, it's two.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
To three not sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Crossed it off. I listen.

Speaker 5 (01:21:41):
It's one of my top we've gone so far, we've
crossed the room conversations.

Speaker 3 (01:21:47):
It is sci fi.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
It's not show of hands, it's sci fi. I do
think it's yeah five, it's sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Christ nine. I think clearly this is sci fi, has
tech elements, it's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Uh, it's sci fi very clearly. Side by Pacific rim
it's side by show up hands.

Speaker 6 (01:22:08):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Okay, okay, okay, I think you know what.

Speaker 1 (01:22:15):
I think that the brain drifting technology.

Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
I'm gonna vote against it. Okay, your altaboo.

Speaker 5 (01:22:23):
Honestly, I could divert for another twenty minutes by picking
snow Piercer as my alt.

Speaker 2 (01:22:27):
But don't do it, Please don't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:32):
So I'm going to I'll throw a blade Runner twenty
forty nine. Let's have two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:37):
Yeaheah, Okay, that's it, and I think we all agree
that that's sci Fi. Yes, if Blade Run side far
sci fi?

Speaker 7 (01:22:42):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
Yeah, okay, okay, let's go finally to Carmen's films. Here
we go, Boy, the Fifth Element, Ghost in the Shell, Gadica, Companion,
Blade Runner. Any outstanding issues that any that he has
I've raised my I think the Ghost and Shell might

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have the cura issues.

Speaker 1 (01:23:06):
Can we start there?

Speaker 2 (01:23:07):
Does Ghost of Michelle have a cura issues?

Speaker 1 (01:23:10):
I think that it does, even as the person who
raised as I'm saying, I'm saying, I do think. I
do think. Actually specifically in this case, I am on
common side because I think that the technology aspect of
Ghost of Michelle is incredibly important.

Speaker 6 (01:23:32):
It's at the core and the transhuman history.

Speaker 1 (01:23:35):
It's the transhumanism. It's all also just like aesthetically and
the images that leave an impact on us. They are
about the technology, they are about the way that this
character moves throughout this super high tech world. So I
actually think Ghost of Michelle is sci Fi. I'm onside, I.

Speaker 3 (01:23:54):
Lean to agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
Any other issues I have something else?

Speaker 5 (01:23:57):
I guess I have a please, I guess I have
a question Karmen about Companion. I haven't seen it, but
earlier we raised the potential issue of is this horror
first and sci fi second? And isn't Companion also about
like falling in love with Ai? So are we running
into her issue here as well?

Speaker 6 (01:24:16):
Well, he's actually not in love with her, He's okay, No,
she's a possession the way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
Yes, I would say the issue with Companion is that
you could argue, and I really enjoyed this movie too,
I think that you could argue that Companion is like
a broader movie kind of in this space of like
a ton of Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, but more
in like a comedy crime space. But the movie doesn't
exist without the Companion technology.

Speaker 6 (01:24:43):
Yes, so I mean we do have to.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
I don't think it exists today or yes, no, no, No,
it's a full it's imagine if you had a imagine
if you essentially had like a sex robo, but like
it's not just like it's not just like a Silicon
sext door like they sell now. It's a full human
being who also doesn't know that they're a robot sentience

(01:25:10):
and it's controlled by an app. So we're kind of
far away from that, maybe only thirty I'm gonna look,
I'm gonna say my controversial opinion here, which I feel
like has probably just been absolutely erased by the fact
that we just voted Blade Runner twenty forty nine through.
I think that Blade Ranner, Oh, he has a lot

(01:25:34):
of the same issues as a Kira. It's noir, It's
it's about a visual I escape there. It's not a
lot of conversation about how a replicant exists or a
replicant is more just like something that is created and
is human and robot.

Speaker 6 (01:25:56):
It also raises questions of transhumanism.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
I think, no, it's honestly the fact that the replicants
are like the main point. I can't really argue this,
but I will say some of the arguments used against
Kira esthetically the way.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
I think that there is I think, to me, the
biggest question mark on this is the fifth element, which
I think has I thought.

Speaker 1 (01:26:26):
Enough fantasy elements Like it's really.

Speaker 2 (01:26:33):
It's you know, we're talking about like ancient Egyptian culture
like integrating with this high space operatness that doesn't actually
have any discussion of it's more like just by that
this whole world exists and that there's like an ancient

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Egyptian space cult that has a chosen one that has
risen again after they've been broken out of like their
like rock Crypt. It feels like this could be an
Indiana Jones movie, also, which I agree has sci fi elements,
So I just wanted to raise it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
I think it's it's objectively true that the fifth element
does not rise to the Joel definition.

Speaker 1 (01:27:23):
It does not, but I will say fifth element, this
to me is like past flying.

Speaker 6 (01:27:29):
Future, yeah, and which they create an entire human out
of just like a little bit of you know.

Speaker 5 (01:27:40):
So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Okay, so let's take the let's ship this Common.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
I think Common might have the first full five.

Speaker 6 (01:27:48):
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Let's well, let's vote on it. The fifth element. Yes,
it's sci fi.

Speaker 6 (01:27:54):
They generate a whole person.

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
I'm I will say that I voted for, but I'm
like only three and a half ghost in the shell.
It is sci fi, Gadica, it's sci fi. Great companion,
it's sci fi.

Speaker 1 (01:28:13):
Yeah, it has to be bleed. N't get it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:25):
First five?

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
You got ya?

Speaker 2 (01:28:27):
Okay, so everybody's tween Joe and Joelle.

Speaker 4 (01:28:31):
Let's get your alt okay, uh, the matrix and do
another Aaron poll. Aaron was upset it wasn't on the list.
Going back, I agree, it's completely technology based.

Speaker 3 (01:28:43):
They have to. Yes, everybody knows the whole thing how
it works.

Speaker 2 (01:28:49):
Loves this one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Also, let's guys, the Matrix. We could have a whole
episode on the conversations around the Matrix, but this episode
is already like an hour and half long, so I'm
saying it's a fucking side. Oh yeah, yeah, let's just
be okay, a.

Speaker 6 (01:29:06):
Limited a video game.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
So here are are finished lists, starting with Carmen Carmen,
who is the only person who got every movie through
the fifth elment nineteen ninety seven, Ghosts in the Shelf
from nineteen ninety five, Ganica from nineteen ninety seven, Companion
from Just This Summer, Blade Runner from nineteen eighty two,

(01:29:30):
a Boo Children of Men crossed off, replaced with Blade
Runner twenty forty nine, followed by Her, followed by The
I Mean the Classic District nine, followed by Arrival, followed
by Pacific Rim which just sneaks through the portal at
the bottom of the scene. There we go to my films,

(01:29:55):
Edge of Tomorrow, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, which
got through on the Jurassic part corollary Strange Days from
nineteen ninety five, Aniara from twenty eighteen, An Enemy Mine
from nineteen eighty five. We Go to Rosie Akira knocked off,
much to Rosie's complete shock and replaced with the legendary alien,

(01:30:16):
followed by Starship Troopers, followed by a RoboCop. It's a
double Verhoven, followed by Jurassic Park, High Life and the
underrated Inner Space, which replaces the shock knockoff Cura knocked
off four to one, followed by the double Verhoven, Starship
Troopers and RoboCop, and followed by a Jurassic Park which

(01:30:41):
created the Jurassic Park corollary. As long as the science
essential to the creation of everything else that follows, it
only has to be in the first ten minutes of
the movie, and then in High Life, and then finally
Joelle The Day the Earth Stood Still from nineteen fifty one,
pineer and classic in the genre, The Fly from nineteen

(01:31:03):
eighty six. Jeff Goldbloom is hot and shirtless. The Matrix
replaces everything everywhere all it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:10):
Was a shock knockoff Scandal.

Speaker 2 (01:31:12):
Of the Iron Giant for nineteen ninety nine, which I
contend should not be There, but it's there and Alien
in nineteen seventy nine. Wow, those are our films.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
What is the audience think?

Speaker 2 (01:31:26):
We get at us through Instagram, through the Blue Sky,
through the Discord, go to the discord, through the YouTube comments.
Tell us what you think should be in there? What
are your definitions of sci fi? And that's it for
this episode. This has been really fun. Thanks for hanging
with us. On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're

(01:31:48):
continuing our summer movie coverage with another popcorn pop out
and we'll give you our immediate reaction to the live
action How to Train Your Dragon and discuss live action
remakes are they worth it or not? Hi, Carmen, Aboo, Joelle,
thank you so much for joining us.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
So great. That's it for this episode. Thanks for listening.

Speaker 2 (01:32:08):
Bye x ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and
Rosie Night and is a production of iHeart Podcasts.

Speaker 1 (01:32:20):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Our supervising producer is Abu Zafar.

Speaker 1 (01:32:26):
Our producers are Common Laurent, Dean Jonathan and Bai Wag.

Speaker 2 (01:32:30):
Our theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme
songs by Aaron Kaufman.

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman, and
Heidi our discord moderator,

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