In this week’s episode of group chat, Jason and Rosie unpack the hottest discourse in the entertainment industry. They discuss the mixed reception of Running Man with Aaron and Joelle and ask the all-important question: does Glen Powell have the juice? Then they’re joined by Ian to talk about the weirdest show on TV right now, The Chair Company. Finally, Carmen joins to discuss whether Ryan Murphy’s new show with Kim Kardashian is bombing on purpose.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode of XRGC contains spoilers for The Running Man
by Edgar Wright, The Chair Company by Tim Robinson, and
All's Fair by Ryan Murphy and Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hello, my name is Jason the Own and I'm Rosie Knight,
and welcome to XRG the x Ray Vision Group Chat,
a weekly roundtable whether our producers and special guests talk
about the things that we are excited about in pop culture.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
In today's episode, we are gonna be talking about Edgar
Wright's remake of The Stephen King as Richard Bachman novella. Yes,
The Running Man, Me and Jason are both fans of,
and a movie, the Original starring Arno Swarzenegger that we're
also both fans of, and we're gonna ask a question.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Out it chill out is Edgar Wright the Flop King.
Sorry to ask that, Edgar, but it's important. We mean
it in a good way. Do you like Do you
make movies that we like?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Flop? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Often you do. In segment two, we will be.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Bringing in super producer Ian to talk about The Chair Company,
and in All's Fair, we're gonna be asking the important
question with super producer Common is Ryan Murphy doing this
on purpose?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Is he doing it on purpose?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Guys?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Me and Common will mate the argument that he probably is.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But first we're gonna pitch why Jason should or shouldn't
spend his money on Running Man?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, So, Edgar Write's adaptation of the Stephen King as
Richard Bachman novella The Running Man also a film in
the eighties, as you mentioned, starring Richard Dawson of Family
Feud and Arnold Sworgego Richardawson as the main villain. Wonderful, Yeah,
turned by Richard Dawson.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You have seen it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I have not seen it. I've got I've got twenty
dollars plus food money burning a hole in my in
my pocket, and I'm wondering should I spend it at
the theater this weekend to go see The Running Man.
I'd love to hear your opinions.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Who let's start with you, Yes, let's start Eric, Let's
say I'm happy to start.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So, Jason, are you pro union? Of course? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Are you anti capital?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's complex, but yes.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Idealistically yeah, idealistically what would you say? Idealistically?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Of course We're all a part of this machine in
some way, and My other question, say you had a
daughter who was sick, would you do anything you could
to help her.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm familiar with this setup, and yes I would.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Boy, well, let me tell you, I can offer you
a good ninety minutes of running man. And when he's running,
it's great. And then when he starts driving, it goes
downhill a little bit. But boy, those minutes are running.
Oh they're so good. The beginning of this movie is
really the.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Beginning of this movie is it has the flavor of
greatness to it for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So my spoiler, my big spoiler here is I don't
necessarily think anyone in this movie has chemistry with anyone
else on screen. But that's okay because I think I
think Glenn Powell is a capital M movie. This is
this is not the right role for him necessarily, but
it just reaffirms to me. You know, there's there is
(03:39):
a scene when Glenn Powell is uh Cara beaning or
like down the side of an apartment building naked.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He's wearing a towel.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He's not naked yet, he's in a towel and I
was like, oh shit, they're gonna get that towel off
of him and He's gonna be bare ass maker going
down this building and I'm excited for that, like as
a like as a movie.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, Glenn Powell, Texas.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Boy in the dude, the steaks out, the other side
of a BIMs out and the.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Chest is out.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Is happening.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
The body's happening. Look, And I'm gonna say, you can.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Hand me and Joel agreeing on those But Joel, why
don't you give Jason some insight into why so I
shouldn't about I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, Joel, what do you have to say?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I'm gonna say you can wait until this movie pops
up on T n T where it is appropriate to
be aired.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I would not pay cash money to screens.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Rosie with the Rufus shake.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
You know you would not.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Here's here's my problem. While I too enjoy unions and
hate capitalism, being preached at by a white man who
is extremely wealthy for an hour is really, really a problem.
This movie convinced that Glenn Glenn Powell may not have
the juice. Here's why the movie is predicated on this
idea that this man has so much rage and righteous
anger at a system that has oppressed him and forces
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his daughter to be sick, which doesn't need to be,
doesn't He's been, and he's he's reached a point of
rage where he will run and fight for his life
for thirty days. That's its beautiful premise. I think as
an actor then, like, in order to sustain rage across
a film, it takes a lot of effort, and it's
really hard the film actors. There's a lot of debate about,
like how much control do you actually have over a
(05:32):
final performance when edit happens and can make all your
choices for you da da da da. But I think
Glenn really falls down on the responsibility of how to
sustain believable rage throughout an entire picture. Aaron, did you
say this was ninety minutes?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Because I would have said, I said, I like.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
That's when he wished forever long? On top of like
where what really upset me? I have not seen the
original film. I was talking to Rosie about it afterwards,
and the women in the original apparently have some agency
and some power.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And then.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I've never seen two more girlfriends slash Damsel in distressed
women in your entire life, And for this movie to
come out this year and these women do nothing but
stand in a corner and cry and be like, maybe
I'll put myself out if I have to because we're poor.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Uh, and then nothing else. That's it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
That is the whole scope of these women's entire lives.
I will say two kind things because I've been incredibly
cruel to this film. Michael Sira gives a painting performance
that is so delicious that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It is so much fun.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I would rewatch that scene. Let me tell you something,
Jesus scene, That one scene is worth ninety nine cents.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, is so good. It's really really fun.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And yeah, Glenn Powell's body is bodying, okay, and you
do get to see it in action, and that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Coleman, Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So I'm going to come in with the kind of
it's not a medium, kind of in between because I
do agree with Joel on this. But what I'm going
to tell you, Jason is this is the kind of
movie that, in twenty twenty five feels both like you
should see it and you shouldn't see it. And that's
the weirdest thing, because I do agree. I think the
first half of this movie, the cast is unbelievable. Glen
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paw willem h Macy, Lee Pace, Michael Sira, Amelia Jones,
Daniel Ezra, Jamie Lawson horribly on the use Coleman Domingo,
Josh Brolin the final two who are having the most
fun in the movie and doing the ash as the villains.
But the problem with the movie is the first hour
to me, felt like an incredible balance of satirizing the
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old eightes action movie and the idea of a white
guy who saves all the oppressed people, and it felt
like almost a parody of itself thanks to egg writes
good kind of editing, thanks to the over the top
bombastic nature, thanks to a character choice that I thought
was really good throughout the movie but drops off in
the third act, which is he doesn't want to kill people.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He's just a normal guy who doesn't want to kill people.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That is a really good character beat that just disappears
in the second half of the movie. And Yeah, as
Joelle said, I often bring up the original Arnest Twatchenegger
Running Man and the Arnold Schwarzenegger Quier Cinema Hit Commando
because both of those movies actually have like women of
color and leading roles who are not defied. Yeah, and
(08:33):
Maria and Chia Alonso obviously the icon and she's also
in total recall. And we also then have you know
ray Dawn Chong sad that she you know, went back
to her home planet and we never heard from her
after that great performance. But but that both those movies
have women of color who are leading roles. Raydon Chong
in Commando is like an actual business woman, Like they
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are less stereotypically cast than they are in this. And
also there is a strange choice they make where they
essentially they they basically cut the character into and they
have the supportive wife at home, who you know, I
will say, thankfully does not get fridged. But also like
there is a fake fridging that he believes that seems
(09:18):
so out of character in the movie. It makes no
sense with But it's a shame because I really do
feel like that first hour was pumping and pounding and
you're just super into it, and by the end I
was sort of like, yeah, I think I was still
I think I was still having fun. I think I
was still kind of loving it. But it's as I
sent to Joelle in an over dramatic text at like
(09:39):
two in the morning.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I was like, it's like a beautiful, shimmering surface of.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Fun that that shatters the moment you talk about it,
because literally the moment, the moment you have a conversation
with a sensible person about it, you're like, wait, no,
You're like, how did this?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But you know what, I should.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Have known all this was coming, guys, because as much
as I love him, I wish for the best for him.
Simon kim Berg, the man who wrote both Dark Phoenix movies,
is involved in this and produced it, and I feel like,
I just feel like it did not make it there.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It did not have the Edgar Wright juice.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
To me, this ended up being more of a Last
Night in Soho than a Scott Pilgrim, and I do
believe it will lead to another Edgar Wright financial flop.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Let me give one more.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
So.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We did have a conversation about Glen Powell as a
movie star and what's working and what's not working off
the air earlier this week, and one of the things
that came up, I think, Rosie, you said your favorite
thing that Glen Powell has done is hit Man, where
he's doing all yes cookie costumes and imity he does
good and characters and that it's really good. This that
remind you of why Glen Powell is a very interesting
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and charismatic actor and I cannot enough of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I agree he should be doing more like Man, He
should be doing more.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Weird character he needs to be he needs to be
a jerk like Twisters, or he needs to be charming
funny like hit Man.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Let's first of all.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Let me address Glenn Powell, who I believe does not
have the juice, or at least the juice that he
has has not fully been.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think he has characters back to juice, That's what
I think he has.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
He's in that he's in the kind of he's in
that very Hollywood catch twenty two where he's too good
looking to be the character actor and he is doesn't
have the leading man juice enough to be the main guy. Now,
(11:50):
I agree with you. Hit Man was the best thing
he was in. Also, you know everybody wants some where
he was part of an ensemble. And I'll just say
this about Glen Powell. It's a red flag to me
when an actor of the in the place in the
spot in his career like Glen Powell is when that
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actor has the same hairstyle for too long.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yes, Jason Hallim because the hair in this is actually
so bad.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
In my opinion, You've got it like if you pull up,
if you just go Glenn Powell image search, you're gonna
get a lot of pictures of Glen Powell from different
points in his career, and he's.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Got basically the same kind of hair.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They're younger. He did have the shaved head, but it's
like he's trying to establish I am Glenn Powell. And
the fact that he's still trying to establish I am
Glen Powell. I look like this after twelve years of
being Glen Powell. I think we need we need something else.
Throw the hair long, shave it short, shave the side.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think it. I mean big beard, do something.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Many different haircuts did Matt Damon have that worked?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But Glen hasn't found his r This is.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Matt demon Matt Das bring people to the screen, to
the cinema so far.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And that does not happen with Glen Pools.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You don't want a hair that is distracting away.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's it's saying Glenn Powell's hair says cookie cutter, Hollywood,
good looking guy, and.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Like this you need a bit more grit. I think.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is there with every like movie star? And and
one could debate whether movie stars are relevant today, like
let's sake, shallame who I think is legitimately a movie
star and zenda to to legitimate stars. Right, you feel like,
in a parasocial way, you understand that something essential about
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them from the way they express themselves in their public persona,
in their images, in their in their marketing. Glen Powell
gives you the same look every fucking time, and so
what is he expressing that? He just looks like a
handsome guy? But what else the only Here's what I
responded to Glen Powell. When I see him, he's a
(14:24):
hat guy. I think me more into that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think I gotta.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Texas boy, give me the give me the hats, give
me the.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Bat, give me all that ship. Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I also think, Glenn Powell, it's time for an ugly role.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's time for your monster. It's time for that's Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, and show me something else because the abs have
been out too much. It's top guns are running, man.
I'm hearing the ass, the Hams and the abs are
as everybody wants some the ab are out, the Sydney
Sweeney one, the abs are out, like, okay, what.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
We've You've tried it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Everybody's trying to do the Brad Pitt you know in
Thelman Louise, Like, holy shit, who.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Is that guy? He immediately spins off and I think
you're that was lightning in a bottle. Yeah, And Glenn
doesn't have a personality outside of the movies, like If
and Dias, like costuming on the Red Carpet. If you
think about Chalome in the park or at the side
of a Nick loves to add a.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He loves to be like preparing a unique experience.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
For the Chalame Chalome also guy, though, and I love
Glenn Powell is thirty seven. He's lived three quarters of
his life with the Internet and social media. Okay, Timmoy
Shalome has multiple videos from.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Pre fame that are just out there circulating, and he
is embraced that he's that that's true.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
He never denies that he is little Timmy Tim.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, here's the thing that scares me about Glen Powell.
Let me just say, and I like Clen Powell. I
want to say that I like Clen Poe. Handsome, white
guy who I know nothing about, who has no social
media footprints. Yes, is not saying that anything about anything
at all, my eyebrowser That's all I'm gonna tell you, Jason.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
This movie, like what's up with you?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
This movie is.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Not gonna help you with that, because while the first
half of the movie would have you believe that it
is about this kind of like fight against an oppressive network,
I just have to put the end, guys. This is
also part of our subtext text conversation, can a movie
like can a company like Paramount actually put out a
movie like.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
This where they're like, hey, guys, the corporation.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Is evil, The TV network that's trying to take over
the world is evil, and you're gonna feel.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I'm sorry lifted he puts out and Or.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
See question that the suspension of disbelief for and Or
is so good that you feel like Tony Gilroy almost
Gilbray almost snuck it in.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
This feels to me like the first two thirds of.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
The movie had something and an idea of what they
were going to say by the end the third act
that like, he just shoots a bunch of guys and
now he has saved the world and I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Like, this doesn't even make sense with the world.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You see the first paragraph of the Wikipedia summary of
Richard Backman's The Running Man. Okay, thanks for being On
twenty twenty five, the world's economy is in shambles. In
America has become a totalitarian dystopia. Ben Richards an impoverished,
twenty eight year old resident of fictional co op cities,
and I'm unable to find work, having been blacklisted from
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his trade, his gravely her daughter Kathy needs medicine, and
his wife, Sheila, has resorted to prostitution. In desperation, Richard
turns to the Games Network, a government operated television station
that runs violent game shows. After rigorous physical and mental testing,
Richard is selected to appear in The Running Man, that
work's most popular, lucrative and dangerous program. There's a lot
of stuff in there about fascism, about like you know,
(18:10):
a bubbling rebellion against the government, all of which is
to say The nineteen eighty seven Running Man got around
this by essentially turning Ben into copaganda.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Ben Richard was a.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Cop, a good cop who refused to open fire on
food rioters and was therefore thrown into He was the
good cop and was therefore thrown into jail, and that's
he's a hero. And so then he got around what
we're talking about by saying, but cops are also good,
you know, like they can be good. It sounds to
be like The Running Man twenty twenty five has instead
(18:45):
completely turned to the dark side, and uh, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Size it would be more interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, I think exactly what really happens is it's the edges.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
It doesn't just smooth off the it is it completely
abandons the concept at one point, like if the concept
is here's a good guy fight quotes good guy, a
man with principles fighting in a world with none. At
one point his principle stopped becoming essential to his character.
There's nothing he won't do to continue the race. And
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that's really strange. I think. Also is like the most
surreal experience of my life watching this movie on the
Paramount lot again because corporations say whatever, the don't care
about the message. They're just trying to get your ticket money.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But like the.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Fighting right now, and here's the huge spoiler.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Here's a huge spoiler and skip it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
The final shot of the movie is from shooting a
TV exec in the head, and it makes almost no
sense to like where you're at, like he like Againe,
very like Marvel.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Where they want you, they want you to you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You believe in the character, and you go along with them,
and then at some point they're like, here's them killing
six people. You wouldn't do that, right, but would the union?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
But no union member show up to back him. Ever,
there's like no sense of actual this community that he's
talking about that he's a part of.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
It's just weird because I will say the issues around, yeah,
the butcher of Bakersfield and kind of the copaganda military
aspect of the eighty seven one all very true, but
also that also has an active rebellion against the network that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You ere the good guys.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Who are the good guys?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
There is no active rebellion that we learn about here,
just like poor people who.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Are angry about it. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Edgar Wright.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
We love Edgar Wright. I love Edgar Wright's movies.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Edgar Wright is.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
A wonderfully stylish and original director. When he is in
his bag, and he's in fact is and his bag
is a charming combination of action, heightened character, and humor.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
His movies also flop a lot. They often fly.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
They're good, but they often fly. Yeah, his biggest hit
was Baby Driver.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Other than that, it's not been huge box office numbers,
and it looks like from what they're saying, this will
also not be a huge box office number. Jason, what's
your favorite Edgar Wright movie even though it was a
financial flop?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Asked that mine Scott Pilgrim. I think that movie is incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's Scott Pilgrim, a movie that's whose reputation it far
outstrips any money it made and is now a cult classic,
even though at the time, and also it was.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Lucky because it's one of those rare movies, the last
of the era of movies that was able to really
really do well on like home video release. Obviously we
have the OD now and that does happen. But yeah,
it basically made no money at the cinema. It was
seen as a massive flop, but it made a lot
of money where people bought it home video gaming and
obviously boom, it's a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Here's my takes.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, here are my suggestions for both Edgar Wright and
Glenn Pearl.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Glen Powell manager.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They're kind of the same. I think Edgar right needs
to be doing indie movies.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think the budget, the budget comes with too many strings, Edgar.
And what ends up happening is, listen, just accept that
you're never gonna make a movie that makes millions and
millions of dollars and make a good one so that
even if it fails or makes very little money, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Hot Fuzzz type shit, you can say it's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You can say it's a great movie and stop chasing
this shit please, And Glen Powell, I don't know, figure
out how you can be authentic yourself. Maybe I'll hate it,
but like, at least do that, yeah, because it just
feels like you feel faceless to me right now.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And he needs a signature role outside of hit Man,
Like I want to see him Man on the screen,
and then maybe I would, like on the big screen,
maybe I would feel like he'd made that impact. But
for most people, that was a Netflix movie that they
probably want once. So yeah, I want him to do
something that feels really true to him. I'm not gonna lie, guys.
I'll end us with this because we definitely talked way
too long about this movie.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
But like I will I will I will end with this.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
This did feel very time to me of him being like,
look look at me in this.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Movie h full of people of color. I'm not like
Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Guys, I'm not like like It definitely weekly timed like that,
but also I didn't necessarily believe the relationships enough for it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
To not feel like that. I, for one, stand with
our pro union king Glenn Powell, and I'll use a
cookie cutter. If he's a cookie cutter, Hollywood star, I
will update my X ray cookie rankings and he will
be a top Thank you very much, Please appreciate Running Man.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
One more quick.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I'm gonna leave us with this thought starter. Fans can
think about this at home as we sign off. Who
has the higher batting average, Stephen King or Richard Bachman? Okay, Oh,
let's move on to the next segment another day. Let's
see Wick break and right back to talk about the
Chair Company. Okay, the Chair Company, which is on HBO
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and is the Tim Robinson conspiracy comedy thriller View has
just aired its fifth episode, and won't spoil that up,
but let's re quickly recap through episode four because I think.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
People need to be watching this, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's one of the most fascinating shows on TV.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Very very entertaining, weird show.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And I think it captures something like ephemeral about being
alive and online in twenty twenty five. Okay, so the
Chair Company. Ron Trosper is a manager at this company
that develops malls Fisher Robe and in the middle of
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the big presentation about this new mall project, he sits
in a chair manufactured by the chair company Techa Furniture Company,
Techa Office Furniture. The chair collapses. He falls flat on
his back. He's very embarrassing. He's like mildly concussed for
a second. He kind of looks up a coworker's dress
because again he's flat on his back on this stage
(25:28):
and need to do it. But this sparks a whole
hr hubub and Ron can't stop thinking about it. Ron
lives with his wife Barb, his daughter, Natalie's teenage son Seth.
They're all very normal. Barber is very practical and is
concerned about Ron's obsessions with different things, whether it's this
(25:51):
accident at work or his pickup truck tour company project.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
To a cheap tour project.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
He looks.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Uh, Natalie is out of the house, she's engaged, and
Seth is just a good, normal kid. Ron begins to
google Techa to find out how he can, you know,
get somebody on the phone who he can talk to
about this issue that he feels is very pressing with
Techa's chairs and their build qualities, trying to leave messages online,
(26:26):
He's trying to find. Every route he takes leads to
a dead end.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Painfully realistic by the way.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Ron eventually meets Mike Santini, a security guard who claims
to have information about Techa and seems like a vaguely
mafia connected guy, or at least a guy who is
like comfortable in the underworld. Okay, and Mike suggests that
Techa is not what it seems, that it's actually a
(26:56):
series of shell companies hiding some sort of mystery, and
Mike becomes Ron's partner and investigating the chair. Coming together,
Mike and Ron, they follow leads. They go to warehouses,
they go, they look up and dresses of Techa executives,
and they find all everywhere they search, it's a it's
there's something some sort of dead end. Either the executive
(27:17):
doesn't exist or the phone number is not real, or
the warehouse doesn't actually belong to Techa, or the warehouse
as like a strange red ball inside nothing else and
nothing else. Ron becomes increasingly erratic as he chases these
threads down these various rabbit holes. His wife is like,
(27:38):
what's wrong with you? Or you doing jeep tours? And
he because he's fucking up big time at work and
again he's under this hr investigation for looking up his
coworkers dress with the chair when the chair collapse, and
he's beginning to suspect also because of these phone calls
he's getting about things that he's hasn't done, that's someone
(28:01):
has stolen his identity and is like signing him up
for stuff in And then finally, by episode four, you know,
everybody's very, very worried about Ron, and eventually he blurts
out to his daughter, here's what I'm you don't understand, Like,
I know I look crazy, but here's what I'm working on.
And he lays out the conspiracy theory, and it's basically
(28:22):
that Teca is a cover for an international opiate dealing
ring that manufactures opiates in the form of a pin
in the Teca chair that's meant to keep it stable,
and that once the chairs are shipped into the United States,
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the pins that are opiates are removed so that they
can be then sold as drugs, making the chairs less stable,
thus leading to his accident on the stage during his presentation.
Natalie's like, oh my god, Dad, that's so cool. How'd
you figure that out? But they don't really follow it further.
And then we go to episode five, which I won't
(29:04):
spoil right that, all which is to say is you
should be watching.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
With your company.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I also want to say, guys, do not watch episode
five in public. There is some unbelievable HBO level nudity
that is.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Like crazy, You don't I love Jason.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
How much of this that you understand is is really
and have touched on is about like the.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Notion of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Because as much as Tim is usually a silly billy
and kind of does these hilarious almost like comedies of
manners and kind of the worst versions of people that
you meet at office and stuff, this is like when
he laid out that conspiracy theory tis dra it was
like the most showbreaking, incredible deal and you just and
(29:50):
her face, like the acting on her face of trying
to act.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Like, yeah, this is definitely a real thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
It's just such an interesting, deep show about being online.
And that's I feel like we're getting a good We're
getting into a good space where people who make TV
and movies are starting to have those conversations pluribus. It's
definitely about like social media algorithms in AI and the
seeking such of making people placid by making them happy.
(30:23):
And this feels like it's about what happens when your
family gets locked into a conspiracy theory, Like how do
you deal with it when it takes over that whole life?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, that that's where he lays out the conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The whole show. The show was just.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Kind of very creepy conspiracy and thriller coded up to
that point, but also like very jagged in that Tim
Robinson way where every scene has something crazy that happens
that gets paid off, but in a way that you
almost feel like the show is a series of absolutely
insane vignettes. Yeah, if they can act, You're not sure
(31:00):
how when he lays out the theory, it connects all
the vignettes. Suddenly everything all of a sudden kind of
makes sense. It clicks, and the show became heightened for
me in a way that I was not expecting. I
agree with you, it's a it's very much about like
it really captures the feeling of how much information we
(31:22):
have at our fingertips at all times, and how much
a lot of it is bullshit, untrustable.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And we don't we just have to change it, you know,
we don't.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
We don't know how to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think a lot about that first episode where he's
looking for Techa. The amount of times I have tried to,
like have a phone call to an insurance company and
actually speak to like a real.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Human being is like innumerable.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And I've only lived in nine years, so it is
so much that feels very real about living in the Internet.
Ian half the season and where are you at now
on this show?
Speaker 9 (32:00):
So for me, I came into it kind of skeptical,
like I'm not the biggest Tim Robinson fan, Like I
think you should leave. At times it's hard for me
to watch. Certain sketches or vignettes are really funny, but
most of the time, like the super cringy humor, it's
really painful for me to watch. So it's kind of
skeptical coming into this, but I was like, you know what,
I'll give it a chance, and I'd heard people talking
(32:20):
about it, so I watched it, and I will say
it is obviously very Tim Robinson codd, but it's different
enough from I think you should leave because there is
this bigger, overarching plot and you know, one thing we
were talking about is I think you should leave. It's
everyone else's normal. And then Tim Robinson is like the
one crazy person, and I feel like you do still
(32:42):
kind of get that here. There are a few other
characters who are as equally crazy and than saying like
Mike as a standout, Oh, I love for the most part,
like his wife for example, and his daughter, like they're
very like straight characters normal. So it's like him existing
in this chaotic space while everybody else around him is
like what the fuck is going on with everybody he
works with, with the exception of like Douglas, they're a
(33:04):
also like what's going on with you? You know?
Speaker 7 (33:06):
So I I really do enjoy that.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
But the way I've and especially like you mentioned after
he has a conversation with his daughter where he lays
it out, I'm like, that did also change it for me.
I was like, it made it really kind of like
sad almost and it becomes like tragic moment. And for me,
what it feels more of like a commentary about like
mental health, because the whole show kind of reads as
like he's having like a manic app Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
So I wanted to ask you about this, right, I
wonder if the show because I also had had that feeling.
But I'm like, I feel like that's a very you
got to make a lot of like smooth choices to
like deal with that in a way that's not, you know,
fucked up.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
I'm reserving judgment to see how they went right.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
But no, no, but I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
But my thought on it was like, did he get
is he just he just keeps getting for my brain injuries?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Throughout the show, he gets a TBI when he falls
off the chair, he hits his head.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Then he's constantly exploring he hits his head. I wonder
if there's some kind of elemental.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Pipe. There's a lot of traumatic brain injury stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
But my biggest feeling is this is Tim Robinson doing
his version of twin Peaks, like the stuff with the
empty buildings and the huge red ball. So the big
question is can they both solve the mystery and leave
it open enough that people will want a second season
or is this going to end up Twin Peaks in
itself or Yellow Jackets in itself.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's an interesting question because I don't think that you
can really analyze Tim's work, whether it's Detroitter's Friendship or
this in kind of the typical way, because the character
there is Mike is probably the most distinct character that
(34:54):
I've seen in any of his work. Yes, right and
the case, and even then, they don't act like quote
unquote real people with real connections to each other. Everything
is extremely, extremely heightened, and so it was it was
(35:15):
surprising to me when I connected in that same way
with the show and that that you're talking about, where
all of a sudden it became you felt like, oh
my God, like here is there's a note of truth
to it. I will say that I think that what
what Ron is experiencing is real. I think Techa is
trying to ruin his life because I love that figured
out something right his conspiracy, Like, first of all, the
(35:38):
conspiracy absolutely tracks like it fits all the evidence and
there's no doubt, and there's no doubt that like people.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Are stealing his identity and trying.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Someone with him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And the way that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
The way that addresses like a feeling I'm sure like
lots of people have had, which is that you're kind
of trapped in this in this machine, this technological like
economic machine. You have none of the levers to the machine,
and you're locked in like a rat somewhere and you're
not even sure where inside of it you are.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And that's Ron.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
He's like continuously trying to explore, like what the fuck
is going on and he can't get anywhere. I also
think with regards to jump to the concussion thing, like
very clearly, Ron was always I mean, the thing is insane,
ye like, and.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
That was.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
He had of struggles because, like you know, in episode four,
we get all those flashbacks like to a few years ago,
and we see what the jeep tours, what actually happened,
because it was referenced a few times in previous episodes,
and then we finally see.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
What he got it into the flashbacks, which are like and.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
I think the flashback we also see the relationship with
his daughter, you know, and I think those flashbacks really
do serve again to show like the his family's like, oh,
we've seen this kind of behavior from him before, Like
is he going down this path again? Which really makes
me think like maybe there's like a history with some
kind of mental illness or something there he's having, you know,
(37:12):
like a manic break again because and it's really sad
from his daughter's perspective, because, like you said, when he's
laighing out this whole theory to her, which makes sense,
and we're like, okay, that like kind of tracks there
might be something there. You just see like the sadness
in her eyes and she's tracking him on the phone
and she's like, oh, it's happening again. And then we
cut back to that scene where she's like looking at
him through the door. It's like flashback in the garage
(37:34):
and he's like trying to get his jeep tour stuff together.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
It's not working, and we're like, okay, like which is it.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
There's this really interesting dynamic between like is this like
really a real conspiracy. Is somebody really out to get him?
Is it all in his head? Is he kind of
imagining it?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Is it both?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Is he a terrible businessman?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
But somebody's also out to get him, Like I feel
like the Jeep Tours if I was gonna I mean,
it's not a show. There's not a story to theorize
on this show because it's so deranged. But I do
like somebody that was ejured in the Jeep Tours is
probably doing all of this to him, Like the.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Jeep Tours is such a big part of it that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I feel like it's going to tie in. But yeah,
I mean a great series. Like, guys, you got to
watch this show.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I will say that. Another thing this show makes me
think about. It's just like how much wish I touched
on it earlier. But we just have too much information.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I remember when I was.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
A kid, we we were watching me and my friends,
like in seventh.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
ORTIEH Grade or whatever, we were watching Platoon and we
were like, Oh, this guy in Platoon.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Corey Glover, who is the lead singer, was the lead
singer in the you know, trailblazing black rock metal band
Living Color.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Corey Glover.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's Corey Glover, the lead singer of Living Color. And
also Corey Glover is Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon Fame,
Danny Glover's son. I don't know how we got this information,
but somebody said that, and we just like debated it
back and forth for an entire summer. YEP, if it
(39:05):
was if that was a similar thing that happened today,
we'd go online and that would lead to you like
one rabbit hole, and then you'd be on something else.
Then you'd be like, yeah, Glover's grandmother like invented whiskey.
We'd be like, so far afield. Instead, we just had
to wonder about it until we eventually found like the
information in a magazine or something.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And this show.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Really gets at that feeling of you pull one thread,
you don't get any answers, but it leads to three
more threads. You pull those three things, you're like, okay,
remember the first thread, but you keep pulling threads and
now you're on thread like eighty and you completely forgot,
like why you got into this in the first place.
I spend too many nights doing that, whereas in the past,
(39:48):
you'd spend one summer being like, is that is Corey
Glover from Plato Danny Glover's son?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, we just don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
We used to play this game called the Movie Game,
where we basically it's basically six degrees of Kevin Bacon,
but I didn't know that, you know, but it was
like you pick one person from a movie and you
have to get to another.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
So you pick, like, you know, someone from a really
old movie like.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Audrey Hepburn, and you pick Arnold Tortschenegger, and then you
have to pick six movies where they worked with someone
to get to the other person, right, And that was
something that if you had social media or the Internet,
you would just not be able to do. But we
would legit play it for like hours and we would
just all be believing each.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Other's like great top tips too. So yeah, I feel
that deeply as an older millennial. And yeah, what a
great show. You got to watch it. Guys.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Let's take a quick break and return with Carmen to
talk about whether Ryan Murphy is making a made a
purposefully shitty show with Paul's Fair criently on who.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
Harman welcome, she's talking about horror or she is Yes,
bullied me into watching Fair.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Miraculous, starring Kim Kardashian and a bunch of Ryan murphy
h usual suspects, including Naomi Watts, Niassy Nash Bets, Sarah Close,
and the pilot was deranged.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It was almost some Robinson sketch and.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's so looking crazy. And currently a lot of the
discourse online about this show is, did Ryan Murphy make
a bad show on purpose?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Did he did he purposefully go past camp to just.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Like like horrificness. I don't know about that. But but
Carmen as the as the as the trailblazer, who Lee
who led us to this topic to tell us about
your thoughts about All's fair and whether Ryan Murphy might
have done this on purpose?
Speaker 11 (42:08):
He yes, thank you for bringing me here today to
talk about this, because I.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And IT could not give us what's the logline of
the show.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The show is about what?
Speaker 11 (42:21):
Okay? So the show is about basically Kim Kardashian. Her
name is Alura Grant. These all, all of these women,
by the way, have ridiculous character names, which we're cann't do,
which is another reason why I know this is done
on purpose. But Alura Grant is leaving the law firm
that she has worked at, owned by Glenn Close, and
(42:42):
Glenn Close's character's name is, oh my god, what is it?
Dina standish incredible Dina. These all sound like drag names
of like a lawyer. Absolutely, and she is leaving Dina
Standish's law firm, starting her new law firm, taking with
Dina'sish's blessing, taking Naomi Watts who is Liberty, Ronson, Nisi Nash,
(43:08):
whose character's name is Emerald Green incredible, and Tiana Taylor's
character whose name is Milan. So she's taking all of
these women, starting her own law firm. And it is
a divorce law firm, but it's not any old divorce
law firm. It is like the top tier rich bitch
law firm. You need to get divorced from your husband
(43:31):
who is a multi multi millionaire, come to me. So
it is looking Camp straight in the eye.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
That's I agree, Common, I think like. So, basically, when
the show came out, me and Joelle and Common were
messaging each other in the Scream Queens group chat and
we were like, hey, is this bad?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Everyone keeps texting me and saying it's bad.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Maybe I should work zero percent on Nara percent on
Moron Tomorrow's at the time now four percent because obviously
it has now got some champions post this conversation. But
basically came out zero percent cost hundreds of millions of dollars,
looks like a shond it's just one hundred million, one
hundred million dollars it costs. And you know what, I
got to say, the money is on the screen because
(44:16):
the visuals, Yeah, you see every penny.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
The costumes are crazy, and there is so much like.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
The wigs, there's a wig every scene.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
There's also insane amounts of like wealth porn. But to me,
that adds like I.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Was speaking to my friend about it last night and
they were like, you know, we watched it because we
saw you saying that you were on the side that
it's good. It's so bad, it's good and I and
they were like, we hated it. It's wealth porn. I
was like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
But to me, Kim Kardashian putting on a giant ring
the size you know, with a.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Gem that looks so big, Taylor's engagement ring that looks
like it's like, to me, that just looks like it's
from party City.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
So that's just campus ship.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Like I don't if I had to be a Kardashian
in real life or in a version where she has,
you know, jewels that cost more than like a small
GDP of a country.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
To me, that adds to the campness, and.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I do feel like there is no way that Ryan
Murphy wrote this without knowing exactly what he was doing. Guys,
they have Sarah Paulson with the most vicious and probably
heartfelt delivery where she calls Kim Kardashian a comrag.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Like that is the level of this show.
Speaker 11 (45:33):
Jason, you have pulled it from a real player.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
Yeah, she felt like it did. Jason.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
You have a very fun theory about this that I like,
which puts more of.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
A petty vengeance spin on it.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, so, first of all, like let's dig into the
price tag and the Ryan Murphy of it all, and
it's stuntcasting of Kim Kardashian, who I don't know if
she's she's certainly in the top ten of Instagram followers
right still to this day.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I think over the yeah a million so say as well,
like he's worked with that before and it didn't pop.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
So I don't know. Maybe they signed like a triple contract.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Contract because it didn't work for horror stories.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
It didn't work.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, clearly the idea is, listen, we need to pump
up Hulu, we need subs.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Kim wants to continue.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Her drive into script it as the reality show is
kind of you know, now mining the same plot lines
for the fourth and fifth and.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Sixth time, and so like, what can we do?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Let's pair him, Let's pair her with Ryan Murphy, who
she's worked with before as a as a hit maker.
And as you mentioned, this might have been part of
an existing deal, although the Angler is reporting now that
this show came upon about as part of a meeting
that happened between Disney co chair Dana Walden and Chris Jenner,
(46:55):
with Chris Jenner urging and Kardashian who and with Chris
and Kardashian basically saying we need a project and Dana
Waller saying what about a reality show? And Kardashian and
jenn are saying, no, what about something scripted? Can can
Bryan Murphy write something?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So he wrote this?
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Okay, wow, this to me, This to me is a
get what you be, careful what you wish for situation
in that case, because I do think whatever issues And look, guys,
go back and listen to ed Gan. We were saying
this motherfucker needed to be he needs to be stopped.
Like I do not I do not want I am
not a huge bacon nap.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I'm not a huge fan. I have massive critique.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Ex Grandpa, if you're gonna be making something, yeah, make
some fucking shit like this.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I texted everyone this feels like you're watching The Bold
and the Beautiful directed by John Waters. Like, to me,
that's the kind of trash I want. John Waters lives
in trash.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
This is trash. It's the same to me.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Like, but I don't think him Kardashian and Chris Jenna
approached it with that way.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think Ryan Muffy probably.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
So this is my theory. So this is my theory.
Murphy signed on because he loves a check.
Speaker 11 (48:10):
He never check right.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
He got a bunch of his usual suspects he would
expect to be in good stuff or or at least
interesting stuff, right, Glenn close, yeh, He's done very interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Lots of Emmy Golden Globe ostas around these.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Pauls and she and they and.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They start working on it. Kim and Chris Joanner have
notes about everything. They don't they want different dialogue, they
didn't want different scenes. There's gotta be a power struggle.
I can't imagine any world in which Kim Kardashian and
Chris Janner just go, Okay, Ryan, we like that, Let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (48:55):
I mean, Chris's executive producer and.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
She stage manages how kids maverage, so of course she's
gonna have a say about what.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
TV shows there.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
And so at a certain point Ryan just decided, I'm
gonna make this terror. I'm gonna I'm gonna embarrass you.
I'm gonna make this the lowest rated piece of shit
that everybody watches and hates, and I'm going to make
it so you will never have a career inscripted unless
(49:25):
it's something like this.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
The idea as well, like.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
A fucking dumpster dive sewer excursion that sucks ass but
does it in the most loud, fantastic, lavish, silk strewn,
diamond studded way possible because fuck you Kim Kardashian, fuck
you Christ Janner. And I can't say that, but I'll
say it. I crew tell love this theory.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And if this is true, it makes a lot of
sense because I do have to say that there are
a lot of options in this show where it does
feel like Kim Kardashian is.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Like the butt of the joke.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Even if she maybe doesn't know, for example, one of
the first time I don't think she does realize, and
that makes it even better in my opinion, because she
plays it completely sincere.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
But also I.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Will say, like I feel like Nissi she knows exactly
what show she's in, and I or something I do
want to commend, which is so funny because like when
do you do this? But I also always do try
and shout out PR teams because you guys are working
so hard and we work with so many incredible PR teams.
But I have to say, I think the most impressive
thing about the way that they have handled this show
(50:34):
is actually once the reviews came in, they leaned into it,
they started doing they'd started doing like cuts of the
craziest moments.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Nissi Nash is out there.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Nisi Nash Betts is out there and she's showcasing the
scene where she's talking about where they, by the way,
are blackmailing someone in the first episode, like a billionaire
with like sexy pictures of him like BDSM clubs up
dressed as a fucking fuck piggy Daddy.
Speaker 11 (51:02):
Or whatever, piggy Piggy.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
I was just like, this is incredible I love you,
NISI and whoever decided that the way to approach it
was basically to be like they've been doing pr with Naomi.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Sarah Paulson, like some of the Glenn Close like women.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Who was so fantastically famous, and they're doing like videos
of them dancing around like talking about how that couns
and stuff like it's an incredible pay this.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Here's Here's what I feel like is the weakness in
my theory. Okay, I think Ryan Murphy is quite capable
of creating very loud shit TV. Yes we know that,
but why would why would he do this to Why
would you do this to Sarah?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Why would you do this Glenn Close? Why would do
Why would they be involved in it?
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Why would they be Here's my retort to that. Okay, yeah,
why would.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
They be involved in it?
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Look around your television sometime and pay attention to the commercials.
Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson doing cable TV commercials TV
for Infinity, so Magling, Kamel Nan Johnny doing direct TV commercials,
William Dafoe and Catherine Ohara doing Ultra Michel ob Blight commercials.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Guys from Scrubs doing t mobile commercials, it's.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
All happen is not there in the way that it
used to be there in entertainment TV.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
And of course, like I'm not trying to.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Say that these that they're poor or that I'm just
saying that from their perspective, the money is not coming
in the way it used to because I guarantee you
every single one of them would love to not be
doing commercials. I think Kanahey would love to not be
doing Sales Force and Uber Eats ads that they have
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to because the projects are not there. So as for why,
like respected good actors would be.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
In this, because the paycheck baby is.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Yah Sarah Poster having fun is a funny gay I
was gonna says.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
I think she read that script and she probably.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Called Ryan and was like what the fuck and he
was like, laid down whatever the backstory want to guess. Yeah,
just a great, a great, insane, divisive show and it's
going to be one of the big talking points of
the last seasons of Obvious Tears.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Continue watching it, but I'm eager to see where they
where the discords go.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
We'll text you, will text you, We'll text you the memes.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, that's it for this episode Thanks for Listening by.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
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and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
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Warning.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Today's episode of XRGC contains spoilers for The Running Man
by Edgar Wright, The Chair Company by Tim Robinson, and
All's Fair by Ryan Murphy and Kim Kardashian.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Hello, my name is Jason the Own and I'm Rosie Knight,
and welcome to XRG the x Ray Vision Group Chat,
a weekly roundtable whether our producers and special guests talk
about the things that we are excited about in pop culture.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
In today's episode, we are gonna be talking about Edgar
Wright's remake of The Stephen King as Richard Bachman novella. Yes,
The Running Man, Me and Jason are both fans of,
and a movie, the Original starring Arno Swarzenegger that we're
also both fans of, and we're gonna ask a question.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Out it chill out is Edgar Wright the Flop King.
Sorry to ask that, Edgar, but it's important. We mean
it in a good way. Do you like Do you
make movies that we like?
Speaker 1 (01:12):
The Flop? Yes?
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Often you do. In segment two, we will be.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Bringing in super producer Ian to talk about The Chair Company,
and in All's Fair, we're gonna be asking the important
question with super producer Common is Ryan Murphy doing this
on purpose?
Speaker 5 (01:28):
Is he doing it on purpose?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Guys?
Speaker 5 (01:30):
Me and Common will mate the argument that he probably is.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
But first we're gonna pitch why Jason should or shouldn't
spend his money on Running Man?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Okay, So, Edgar Write's adaptation of the Stephen King as
Richard Bachman novella The Running Man also a film in
the eighties, as you mentioned, starring Richard Dawson of Family
Feud and Arnold Sworgego Richardawson as the main villain. Wonderful, Yeah,
turned by Richard Dawson.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
You have seen it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I have not seen it. I've got I've got twenty
dollars plus food money burning a hole in my in
my pocket, and I'm wondering should I spend it at
the theater this weekend to go see The Running Man.
I'd love to hear your opinions.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
Who let's start with you, Yes, let's start Eric, Let's
say I'm happy to start.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
So, Jason, are you pro union? Of course? Yes?
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Are you anti capital?
Speaker 1 (02:36):
It's complex, but yes.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Idealistically yeah, idealistically what would you say? Idealistically?
Speaker 5 (02:43):
Of course?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Of course We're all a part of this machine in
some way, and My other question, say you had a
daughter who was sick, would you do anything you could
to help her.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I'm familiar with this setup, and yes I would.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Boy, well, let me tell you, I can offer you
a good ninety minutes of running man. And when he's running,
it's great. And then when he starts driving, it goes
downhill a little bit. But boy, those minutes are running.
Oh they're so good. The beginning of this movie is
really the.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
Beginning of this movie is it has the flavor of
greatness to it for sure.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So my spoiler, my big spoiler here is I don't
necessarily think anyone in this movie has chemistry with anyone
else on screen. But that's okay because I think I
think Glenn Powell is a capital M movie. This is
this is not the right role for him necessarily, but
it just reaffirms to me. You know, there's there is
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a scene when Glenn Powell is uh Cara beaning or
like down the side of an apartment building naked.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
He's wearing a towel.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
He's not naked yet, he's in a towel and I
was like, oh shit, they're gonna get that towel off
of him and He's gonna be bare ass maker going
down this building and I'm excited for that, like as
a like as a movie.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
Yeah, Glenn Powell, Texas.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Boy in the dude, the steaks out, the other side
of a BIMs out and the.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
Chest is out.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Is happening.
Speaker 5 (04:16):
The body's happening. Look, And I'm gonna say, you can.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Hand me and Joel agreeing on those But Joel, why
don't you give Jason some insight into why so I
shouldn't about I'm thinking about.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Okay, Joel, what do you have to say?
Speaker 6 (04:31):
I'm gonna say you can wait until this movie pops
up on T n T where it is appropriate to
be aired.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (04:37):
I would not pay cash money to screens.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Rosie with the Rufus shake.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
You know you would not.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Here's here's my problem. While I too enjoy unions and
hate capitalism, being preached at by a white man who
is extremely wealthy for an hour is really, really a problem.
This movie convinced that Glenn Glenn Powell may not have
the juice. Here's why the movie is predicated on this
idea that this man has so much rage and righteous
anger at a system that has oppressed him and forces
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his daughter to be sick, which doesn't need to be,
doesn't He's been, and he's he's reached a point of
rage where he will run and fight for his life
for thirty days. That's its beautiful premise. I think as
an actor then, like, in order to sustain rage across
a film, it takes a lot of effort, and it's
really hard the film actors. There's a lot of debate about,
like how much control do you actually have over a
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final performance when edit happens and can make all your
choices for you da da da da. But I think
Glenn really falls down on the responsibility of how to
sustain believable rage throughout an entire picture. Aaron, did you
say this was ninety minutes?
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Because I would have said, I said, I like.
Speaker 6 (05:55):
That's when he wished forever long? On top of like
where what really upset me? I have not seen the
original film. I was talking to Rosie about it afterwards,
and the women in the original apparently have some agency
and some power.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
And then.
Speaker 6 (06:13):
I've never seen two more girlfriends slash Damsel in distressed
women in your entire life, And for this movie to
come out this year and these women do nothing but
stand in a corner and cry and be like, maybe
I'll put myself out if I have to because we're poor.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Uh, and then nothing else. That's it.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
That is the whole scope of these women's entire lives.
I will say two kind things because I've been incredibly
cruel to this film. Michael Sira gives a painting performance
that is so delicious that.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
It is so much fun.
Speaker 6 (06:43):
I would rewatch that scene. Let me tell you something,
Jesus scene, That one scene is worth ninety nine cents.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Okay, is so good. It's really really fun.
Speaker 6 (06:52):
And yeah, Glenn Powell's body is bodying, okay, and you
do get to see it in action, and that's pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (07:00):
Coleman, Yeah, yeah, Okay.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
So I'm going to come in with the kind of
it's not a medium, kind of in between because I
do agree with Joel on this. But what I'm going
to tell you, Jason is this is the kind of
movie that, in twenty twenty five feels both like you
should see it and you shouldn't see it. And that's
the weirdest thing, because I do agree. I think the
first half of this movie, the cast is unbelievable. Glen
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paw willem h Macy, Lee Pace, Michael Sira, Amelia Jones,
Daniel Ezra, Jamie Lawson horribly on the use Coleman Domingo,
Josh Brolin the final two who are having the most
fun in the movie and doing the ash as the villains.
But the problem with the movie is the first hour
to me, felt like an incredible balance of satirizing the
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old eightes action movie and the idea of a white
guy who saves all the oppressed people, and it felt
like almost a parody of itself thanks to egg writes
good kind of editing, thanks to the over the top
bombastic nature, thanks to a character choice that I thought
was really good throughout the movie but drops off in
the third act, which is he doesn't want to kill people.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
He's just a normal guy who doesn't want to kill people.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
That is a really good character beat that just disappears
in the second half of the movie. And Yeah, as
Joelle said, I often bring up the original Arnest Twatchenegger
Running Man and the Arnold Schwarzenegger Quier Cinema Hit Commando
because both of those movies actually have like women of
color and leading roles who are not defied. Yeah, and
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Maria and Chia Alonso obviously the icon and she's also
in total recall. And we also then have you know
ray Dawn Chong sad that she you know, went back
to her home planet and we never heard from her
after that great performance. But but that both those movies
have women of color who are leading roles. Raydon Chong
in Commando is like an actual business woman, Like they
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are less stereotypically cast than they are in this. And
also there is a strange choice they make where they
essentially they they basically cut the character into and they
have the supportive wife at home, who you know, I
will say, thankfully does not get fridged. But also like
there is a fake fridging that he believes that seems
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so out of character in the movie. It makes no
sense with But it's a shame because I really do
feel like that first hour was pumping and pounding and
you're just super into it, and by the end I
was sort of like, yeah, I think I was still
I think I was still having fun. I think I
was still kind of loving it. But it's as I
sent to Joelle in an over dramatic text at like
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two in the morning.
Speaker 5 (09:40):
I was like, it's like a beautiful, shimmering surface of.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Fun that that shatters the moment you talk about it,
because literally the moment, the moment you have a conversation
with a sensible person about it, you're like, wait, no,
You're like, how did this?
Speaker 5 (09:55):
But you know what, I should.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
Have known all this was coming, guys, because as much
as I love him, I wish for the best for him.
Simon kim Berg, the man who wrote both Dark Phoenix movies,
is involved in this and produced it, and I feel like,
I just feel like it did not make it there.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
It did not have the Edgar Wright juice.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
To me, this ended up being more of a Last
Night in Soho than a Scott Pilgrim, and I do
believe it will lead to another Edgar Wright financial flop.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Let me give one more.
Speaker 7 (10:31):
So.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
We did have a conversation about Glen Powell as a
movie star and what's working and what's not working off
the air earlier this week, and one of the things
that came up, I think, Rosie, you said your favorite
thing that Glen Powell has done is hit Man, where
he's doing all yes cookie costumes and imity he does
good and characters and that it's really good. This that
remind you of why Glen Powell is a very interesting
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and charismatic actor and I cannot enough of that stuff.
Speaker 5 (11:01):
I agree he should be doing more like Man, He
should be doing more.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Weird character he needs to be he needs to be
a jerk like Twisters, or he needs to be charming
funny like hit Man.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
Let's first of all.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
Let me address Glenn Powell, who I believe does not
have the juice, or at least the juice that he
has has not fully been.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
I think he has characters back to juice, That's what
I think he has.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
He's in that he's in the kind of he's in
that very Hollywood catch twenty two where he's too good
looking to be the character actor and he is doesn't
have the leading man juice enough to be the main guy. Now,
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I agree with you. Hit Man was the best thing
he was in. Also, you know everybody wants some where
he was part of an ensemble. And I'll just say
this about Glen Powell. It's a red flag to me
when an actor of the in the place in the
spot in his career like Glen Powell is when that
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actor has the same hairstyle for too long.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Yes, Jason Hallim because the hair in this is actually
so bad.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
In my opinion, You've got it like if you pull up,
if you just go Glenn Powell image search, you're gonna
get a lot of pictures of Glen Powell from different
points in his career, and he's.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Got basically the same kind of hair.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They're younger. He did have the shaved head, but it's
like he's trying to establish I am Glenn Powell. And
the fact that he's still trying to establish I am
Glen Powell. I look like this after twelve years of
being Glen Powell. I think we need we need something else.
Throw the hair long, shave it short, shave the side.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I think it. I mean big beard, do something.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Many different haircuts did Matt Damon have that worked?
Speaker 5 (13:06):
But Glen hasn't found his r This is.
Speaker 4 (13:13):
Matt demon Matt Das bring people to the screen, to
the cinema so far.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
And that does not happen with Glen Pools.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
You don't want a hair that is distracting away.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
It's it's saying Glenn Powell's hair says cookie cutter, Hollywood,
good looking guy, and.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Like this you need a bit more grit. I think.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
What is there with every like movie star? And and
one could debate whether movie stars are relevant today, like
let's sake, shallame who I think is legitimately a movie
star and zenda to to legitimate stars. Right, you feel like,
in a parasocial way, you understand that something essential about
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them from the way they express themselves in their public persona,
in their images, in their in their marketing. Glen Powell
gives you the same look every fucking time, and so
what is he expressing that? He just looks like a
handsome guy? But what else the only Here's what I
responded to Glen Powell. When I see him, he's a
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hat guy. I think me more into that.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I think I gotta.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Texas boy, give me the give me the hats, give
me the.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Bat, give me all that ship. Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I also think, Glenn Powell, it's time for an ugly role.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
It's time for your monster. It's time for that's Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Yeah, and show me something else because the abs have
been out too much. It's top guns are running, man.
I'm hearing the ass, the Hams and the abs are
as everybody wants some the ab are out, the Sydney
Sweeney one, the abs are out, like, okay, what.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
We've You've tried it.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Everybody's trying to do the Brad Pitt you know in
Thelman Louise, Like, holy shit, who.
Speaker 6 (15:11):
Is that guy? He immediately spins off and I think
you're that was lightning in a bottle. Yeah, And Glenn
doesn't have a personality outside of the movies, like If
and Dias, like costuming on the Red Carpet. If you
think about Chalome in the park or at the side
of a Nick loves to add a.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He loves to be like preparing a unique experience.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
For the Chalame Chalome also guy, though, and I love
Glenn Powell is thirty seven. He's lived three quarters of
his life with the Internet and social media. Okay, Timmoy
Shalome has multiple videos from.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Pre fame that are just out there circulating, and he
is embraced that he's that that's true.
Speaker 5 (16:02):
He never denies that he is little Timmy Tim.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Okay, here's the thing that scares me about Glen Powell.
Let me just say, and I like Clen Powell. I
want to say that I like Clen Poe. Handsome, white
guy who I know nothing about, who has no social
media footprints. Yes, is not saying that anything about anything
at all, my eyebrowser That's all I'm gonna tell you, Jason.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
This movie, like what's up with you?
Speaker 5 (16:32):
This movie is.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
Not gonna help you with that, because while the first
half of the movie would have you believe that it
is about this kind of like fight against an oppressive network,
I just have to put the end, guys. This is
also part of our subtext text conversation, can a movie
like can a company like Paramount actually put out a
movie like.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
This where they're like, hey, guys, the corporation.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Is evil, The TV network that's trying to take over
the world is evil, and you're gonna feel.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I'm sorry lifted he puts out and Or.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
See question that the suspension of disbelief for and Or
is so good that you feel like Tony Gilroy almost
Gilbray almost snuck it in.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
This feels to me like the first two thirds of.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
The movie had something and an idea of what they
were going to say by the end the third act
that like, he just shoots a bunch of guys and
now he has saved the world and I'm.
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Like, this doesn't even make sense with the world.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
You see the first paragraph of the Wikipedia summary of
Richard Backman's The Running Man. Okay, thanks for being On
twenty twenty five, the world's economy is in shambles. In
America has become a totalitarian dystopia. Ben Richards an impoverished,
twenty eight year old resident of fictional co op cities,
and I'm unable to find work, having been blacklisted from
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his trade, his gravely her daughter Kathy needs medicine, and
his wife, Sheila, has resorted to prostitution. In desperation, Richard
turns to the Games Network, a government operated television station
that runs violent game shows. After rigorous physical and mental testing,
Richard is selected to appear in The Running Man, that
work's most popular, lucrative and dangerous program. There's a lot
of stuff in there about fascism, about like you know,
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a bubbling rebellion against the government, all of which is
to say The nineteen eighty seven Running Man got around
this by essentially turning Ben into copaganda.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Ben Richard was a.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
Cop, a good cop who refused to open fire on
food rioters and was therefore thrown into He was the
good cop and was therefore thrown into jail, and that's
he's a hero. And so then he got around what
we're talking about by saying, but cops are also good,
you know, like they can be good. It sounds to
be like The Running Man twenty twenty five has instead
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completely turned to the dark side, and uh, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Size it would be more interesting.
Speaker 5 (18:53):
Yeah, I think exactly what really happens is it's the edges.
Speaker 6 (18:57):
It doesn't just smooth off the it is it completely
abandons the concept at one point, like if the concept
is here's a good guy fight quotes good guy, a
man with principles fighting in a world with none. At
one point his principle stopped becoming essential to his character.
There's nothing he won't do to continue the race. And
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that's really strange. I think. Also is like the most
surreal experience of my life watching this movie on the
Paramount lot again because corporations say whatever, the don't care
about the message. They're just trying to get your ticket money.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
But like the.
Speaker 5 (19:30):
Fighting right now, and here's the huge spoiler.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Here's a huge spoiler and skip it.
Speaker 6 (19:36):
The final shot of the movie is from shooting a
TV exec in the head, and it makes almost no
sense to like where you're at, like he like Againe,
very like Marvel.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Where they want you, they want you to you.
Speaker 4 (19:49):
You believe in the character, and you go along with them,
and then at some point they're like, here's them killing
six people. You wouldn't do that, right, but would the union?
Speaker 6 (19:58):
But no union member show up to back him. Ever,
there's like no sense of actual this community that he's
talking about that he's a part of.
Speaker 8 (20:05):
It's just weird because I will say the issues around, yeah,
the butcher of Bakersfield and kind of the copaganda military
aspect of the eighty seven one all very true, but
also that also has an active rebellion against the network that.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You ere the good guys.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
Who are the good guys?
Speaker 4 (20:24):
There is no active rebellion that we learn about here,
just like poor people who.
Speaker 5 (20:28):
Are angry about it. So it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Edgar Wright.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
We love Edgar Wright. I love Edgar Wright's movies.
Speaker 1 (20:34):
Edgar Wright is.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
A wonderfully stylish and original director. When he is in
his bag, and he's in fact is and his bag
is a charming combination of action, heightened character, and humor.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
His movies also flop a lot. They often fly.
Speaker 5 (21:01):
They're good, but they often fly. Yeah, his biggest hit
was Baby Driver.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Other than that, it's not been huge box office numbers,
and it looks like from what they're saying, this will
also not be a huge box office number. Jason, what's
your favorite Edgar Wright movie even though it was a
financial flop?
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Asked that mine Scott Pilgrim. I think that movie is incredible.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
It's Scott Pilgrim, a movie that's whose reputation it far
outstrips any money it made and is now a cult classic,
even though at the time, and also it was.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
Lucky because it's one of those rare movies, the last
of the era of movies that was able to really
really do well on like home video release. Obviously we
have the OD now and that does happen. But yeah,
it basically made no money at the cinema. It was
seen as a massive flop, but it made a lot
of money where people bought it home video gaming and
obviously boom, it's a cult classic.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
Here's my takes.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Okay, here are my suggestions for both Edgar Wright and
Glenn Pearl.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Glen Powell manager.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
They're kind of the same. I think Edgar right needs
to be doing indie movies.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Agreed.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think the budget, the budget comes with too many strings, Edgar.
And what ends up happening is, listen, just accept that
you're never gonna make a movie that makes millions and
millions of dollars and make a good one so that
even if it fails or makes very little money, you know, like.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Hot Fuzzz type shit, you can say it's a great movie.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
You can say it's a great movie and stop chasing
this shit please, And Glen Powell, I don't know, figure
out how you can be authentic yourself. Maybe I'll hate it,
but like, at least do that, yeah, because it just
feels like you feel faceless to me right now.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
And he needs a signature role outside of hit Man,
Like I want to see him Man on the screen,
and then maybe I would, like on the big screen,
maybe I would feel like he'd made that impact. But
for most people, that was a Netflix movie that they
probably want once. So yeah, I want him to do
something that feels really true to him. I'm not gonna lie, guys.
I'll end us with this because we definitely talked way
too long about this movie.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
But like I will I will I will end with this.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
This did feel very time to me of him being like,
look look at me in this.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Movie h full of people of color. I'm not like
Sydney Sweeney.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
Guys, I'm not like like It definitely weekly timed like that,
but also I didn't necessarily believe the relationships enough for it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
To not feel like that. I, for one, stand with
our pro union king Glenn Powell, and I'll use a
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Speaker 1 (23:43):
One more quick.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
I'm gonna leave us with this thought starter. Fans can
think about this at home as we sign off. Who
has the higher batting average, Stephen King or Richard Bachman? Okay, Oh,
let's move on to the next segment another day. Let's
see Wick break and right back to talk about the
Chair Company. Okay, the Chair Company, which is on HBO
(24:23):
and is the Tim Robinson conspiracy comedy thriller View has
just aired its fifth episode, and won't spoil that up,
but let's re quickly recap through episode four because I think.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
People need to be watching this, I think.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
He's one of the most fascinating shows on TV.
Speaker 7 (24:43):
Very very entertaining, weird show.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And I think it captures something like ephemeral about being
alive and online in twenty twenty five. Okay, so the
Chair Company. Ron Trosper is a manager at this company
that develops malls Fisher Robe and in the middle of
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the big presentation about this new mall project, he sits
in a chair manufactured by the chair company Techa Furniture Company,
Techa Office Furniture. The chair collapses. He falls flat on
his back. He's very embarrassing. He's like mildly concussed for
a second. He kind of looks up a coworker's dress
because again he's flat on his back on this stage
(25:28):
and need to do it. But this sparks a whole
hr hubub and Ron can't stop thinking about it. Ron
lives with his wife Barb, his daughter, Natalie's teenage son Seth.
They're all very normal. Barber is very practical and is
concerned about Ron's obsessions with different things, whether it's this
(25:51):
accident at work or his pickup truck tour company project.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
To a cheap tour project.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
He looks.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Uh, Natalie is out of the house, she's engaged, and
Seth is just a good, normal kid. Ron begins to
google Techa to find out how he can, you know,
get somebody on the phone who he can talk to
about this issue that he feels is very pressing with
Techa's chairs and their build qualities, trying to leave messages online,
(26:26):
He's trying to find. Every route he takes leads to
a dead end.
Speaker 5 (26:30):
Painfully realistic by the way.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Ron eventually meets Mike Santini, a security guard who claims
to have information about Techa and seems like a vaguely
mafia connected guy, or at least a guy who is
like comfortable in the underworld. Okay, and Mike suggests that
Techa is not what it seems, that it's actually a
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series of shell companies hiding some sort of mystery, and
Mike becomes Ron's partner and investigating the chair. Coming together,
Mike and Ron, they follow leads. They go to warehouses,
they go, they look up and dresses of Techa executives,
and they find all everywhere they search, it's a it's
there's something some sort of dead end. Either the executive
(27:17):
doesn't exist or the phone number is not real, or
the warehouse doesn't actually belong to Techa, or the warehouse
as like a strange red ball inside nothing else and
nothing else. Ron becomes increasingly erratic as he chases these
threads down these various rabbit holes. His wife is like,
(27:38):
what's wrong with you? Or you doing jeep tours? And
he because he's fucking up big time at work and
again he's under this hr investigation for looking up his
coworkers dress with the chair when the chair collapse, and
he's beginning to suspect also because of these phone calls
he's getting about things that he's hasn't done, that's someone
(28:01):
has stolen his identity and is like signing him up
for stuff in And then finally, by episode four, you know,
everybody's very, very worried about Ron, and eventually he blurts
out to his daughter, here's what I'm you don't understand, Like,
I know I look crazy, but here's what I'm working on.
And he lays out the conspiracy theory, and it's basically
(28:22):
that Teca is a cover for an international opiate dealing
ring that manufactures opiates in the form of a pin
in the Teca chair that's meant to keep it stable,
and that once the chairs are shipped into the United States,
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the pins that are opiates are removed so that they
can be then sold as drugs, making the chairs less stable,
thus leading to his accident on the stage during his presentation.
Natalie's like, oh my god, Dad, that's so cool. How'd
you figure that out? But they don't really follow it further.
And then we go to episode five, which I won't
(29:04):
spoil right that, all which is to say is you
should be watching.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
With your company.
Speaker 5 (29:09):
It's unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
I also want to say, guys, do not watch episode
five in public. There is some unbelievable HBO level nudity
that is.
Speaker 5 (29:17):
Like crazy, You don't I love Jason.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
How much of this that you understand is is really
and have touched on is about like the.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Notion of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 4 (29:27):
Because as much as Tim is usually a silly billy
and kind of does these hilarious almost like comedies of
manners and kind of the worst versions of people that
you meet at office and stuff, this is like when
he laid out that conspiracy theory tis dra it was
like the most showbreaking, incredible deal and you just and
(29:50):
her face, like the acting on her face of trying
to act.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
Like, yeah, this is definitely a real thing.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:59):
It's just such an interesting, deep show about being online.
And that's I feel like we're getting a good We're
getting into a good space where people who make TV
and movies are starting to have those conversations pluribus. It's
definitely about like social media algorithms in AI and the
seeking such of making people placid by making them happy.
(30:23):
And this feels like it's about what happens when your
family gets locked into a conspiracy theory, Like how do
you deal with it when it takes over that whole life?
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yeah, that that's where he lays out the conspiracy theory.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
The whole show. The show was just.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Kind of very creepy conspiracy and thriller coded up to
that point, but also like very jagged in that Tim
Robinson way where every scene has something crazy that happens
that gets paid off, but in a way that you
almost feel like the show is a series of absolutely
insane vignettes. Yeah, if they can act, You're not sure
(31:00):
how when he lays out the theory, it connects all
the vignettes. Suddenly everything all of a sudden kind of
makes sense. It clicks, and the show became heightened for
me in a way that I was not expecting. I
agree with you, it's a it's very much about like
it really captures the feeling of how much information we
(31:22):
have at our fingertips at all times, and how much
a lot of it is bullshit, untrustable.
Speaker 4 (31:28):
And we don't we just have to change it, you know,
we don't.
Speaker 5 (31:32):
We don't know how to do exactly.
Speaker 4 (31:34):
I think a lot about that first episode where he's
looking for Techa. The amount of times I have tried to,
like have a phone call to an insurance company and
actually speak to like a real.
Speaker 5 (31:45):
Human being is like innumerable.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And I've only lived in nine years, so it is
so much that feels very real about living in the Internet.
Ian half the season and where are you at now
on this show?
Speaker 9 (32:00):
So for me, I came into it kind of skeptical,
like I'm not the biggest Tim Robinson fan, Like I
think you should leave. At times it's hard for me
to watch. Certain sketches or vignettes are really funny, but
most of the time, like the super cringy humor, it's
really painful for me to watch. So it's kind of
skeptical coming into this, but I was like, you know what,
I'll give it a chance, and I'd heard people talking
(32:20):
about it, so I watched it, and I will say
it is obviously very Tim Robinson codd, but it's different
enough from I think you should leave because there is
this bigger, overarching plot and you know, one thing we
were talking about is I think you should leave. It's
everyone else's normal. And then Tim Robinson is like the
one crazy person, and I feel like you do still
(32:42):
kind of get that here. There are a few other
characters who are as equally crazy and than saying like
Mike as a standout, Oh, I love for the most part,
like his wife for example, and his daughter, like they're
very like straight characters normal. So it's like him existing
in this chaotic space while everybody else around him is
like what the fuck is going on with everybody he
works with, with the exception of like Douglas, they're a
(33:04):
also like what's going on with you? You know?
Speaker 7 (33:06):
So I I really do enjoy that.
Speaker 9 (33:10):
But the way I've and especially like you mentioned after
he has a conversation with his daughter where he lays
it out, I'm like, that did also change it for me.
I was like, it made it really kind of like
sad almost and it becomes like tragic moment. And for me,
what it feels more of like a commentary about like
mental health, because the whole show kind of reads as
like he's having like a manic app Okay.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
So I wanted to ask you about this, right, I
wonder if the show because I also had had that feeling.
But I'm like, I feel like that's a very you
got to make a lot of like smooth choices to
like deal with that in a way that's not, you know,
fucked up.
Speaker 7 (33:46):
I'm reserving judgment to see how they went right.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
But no, no, but I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:50):
But my thought on it was like, did he get
is he just he just keeps getting for my brain injuries?
Speaker 5 (33:56):
Throughout the show, he gets a TBI when he falls
off the chair, he hits his head.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Then he's constantly exploring he hits his head. I wonder
if there's some kind of elemental.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
Pipe. There's a lot of traumatic brain injury stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
But my biggest feeling is this is Tim Robinson doing
his version of twin Peaks, like the stuff with the
empty buildings and the huge red ball. So the big
question is can they both solve the mystery and leave
it open enough that people will want a second season
or is this going to end up Twin Peaks in
itself or Yellow Jackets in itself.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
It's an interesting question because I don't think that you
can really analyze Tim's work, whether it's Detroitter's Friendship or
this in kind of the typical way, because the character
there is Mike is probably the most distinct character that
(34:54):
I've seen in any of his work. Yes, right and
the case, and even then, they don't act like quote
unquote real people with real connections to each other. Everything
is extremely, extremely heightened, and so it was it was
(35:15):
surprising to me when I connected in that same way
with the show and that that you're talking about, where
all of a sudden it became you felt like, oh
my God, like here is there's a note of truth
to it. I will say that I think that what
what Ron is experiencing is real. I think Techa is
trying to ruin his life because I love that figured
out something right his conspiracy, Like, first of all, the
(35:38):
conspiracy absolutely tracks like it fits all the evidence and
there's no doubt, and there's no doubt that like people.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Are stealing his identity and trying.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Someone with him.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
And the way that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
The way that addresses like a feeling I'm sure like
lots of people have had, which is that you're kind
of trapped in this in this machine, this technological like
economic machine. You have none of the levers to the machine,
and you're locked in like a rat somewhere and you're
not even sure where inside of it you are.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
And that's Ron.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
He's like continuously trying to explore, like what the fuck
is going on and he can't get anywhere. I also
think with regards to jump to the concussion thing, like
very clearly, Ron was always I mean, the thing is insane,
ye like, and.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
That was.
Speaker 9 (36:32):
He had of struggles because, like you know, in episode four,
we get all those flashbacks like to a few years ago,
and we see what the jeep tours, what actually happened,
because it was referenced a few times in previous episodes,
and then we finally see.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
What he got it into the flashbacks, which are like and.
Speaker 9 (36:51):
I think the flashback we also see the relationship with
his daughter, you know, and I think those flashbacks really
do serve again to show like the his family's like, oh,
we've seen this kind of behavior from him before, Like
is he going down this path again? Which really makes
me think like maybe there's like a history with some
kind of mental illness or something there he's having, you know,
(37:12):
like a manic break again because and it's really sad
from his daughter's perspective, because, like you said, when he's
laighing out this whole theory to her, which makes sense,
and we're like, okay, that like kind of tracks there
might be something there. You just see like the sadness
in her eyes and she's tracking him on the phone
and she's like, oh, it's happening again. And then we
cut back to that scene where she's like looking at
him through the door. It's like flashback in the garage
(37:34):
and he's like trying to get his jeep tour stuff together.
Speaker 7 (37:36):
It's not working, and we're like, okay, like which is it.
Speaker 9 (37:39):
There's this really interesting dynamic between like is this like
really a real conspiracy. Is somebody really out to get him?
Is it all in his head? Is he kind of
imagining it?
Speaker 7 (37:47):
Is it both?
Speaker 5 (37:48):
Is he a terrible businessman?
Speaker 4 (37:50):
But somebody's also out to get him, Like I feel
like the Jeep Tours if I was gonna I mean,
it's not a show. There's not a story to theorize
on this show because it's so deranged. But I do
like somebody that was ejured in the Jeep Tours is
probably doing all of this to him, Like the.
Speaker 5 (38:04):
Jeep Tours is such a big part of it that.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
I feel like it's going to tie in. But yeah,
I mean a great series. Like, guys, you got to
watch this show.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
I will say that. Another thing this show makes me
think about. It's just like how much wish I touched
on it earlier. But we just have too much information.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
I remember when I was.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
A kid, we we were watching me and my friends,
like in seventh.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
ORTIEH Grade or whatever, we were watching Platoon and we
were like, Oh, this guy in Platoon.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Corey Glover, who is the lead singer, was the lead
singer in the you know, trailblazing black rock metal band
Living Color.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Corey Glover.
Speaker 2 (38:44):
That's Corey Glover, the lead singer of Living Color. And
also Corey Glover is Danny Glover from Lethal Weapon Fame,
Danny Glover's son. I don't know how we got this information,
but somebody said that, and we just like debated it
back and forth for an entire summer. YEP, if it
(39:05):
was if that was a similar thing that happened today,
we'd go online and that would lead to you like
one rabbit hole, and then you'd be on something else.
Then you'd be like, yeah, Glover's grandmother like invented whiskey.
We'd be like, so far afield. Instead, we just had
to wonder about it until we eventually found like the
information in a magazine or something.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
And this show.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Really gets at that feeling of you pull one thread,
you don't get any answers, but it leads to three
more threads. You pull those three things, you're like, okay,
remember the first thread, but you keep pulling threads and
now you're on thread like eighty and you completely forgot,
like why you got into this in the first place.
I spend too many nights doing that, whereas in the past,
(39:48):
you'd spend one summer being like, is that is Corey
Glover from Plato Danny Glover's son?
Speaker 1 (39:54):
Yeah, we just don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:56):
We used to play this game called the Movie Game,
where we basically it's basically six degrees of Kevin Bacon,
but I didn't know that, you know, but it was
like you pick one person from a movie and you
have to get to another.
Speaker 5 (40:06):
So you pick, like, you know, someone from a really
old movie like.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Audrey Hepburn, and you pick Arnold Tortschenegger, and then you
have to pick six movies where they worked with someone
to get to the other person, right, And that was
something that if you had social media or the Internet,
you would just not be able to do. But we
would legit play it for like hours and we would
just all be believing each.
Speaker 5 (40:26):
Other's like great top tips too. So yeah, I feel
that deeply as an older millennial. And yeah, what a
great show. You got to watch it. Guys.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Let's take a quick break and return with Carmen to
talk about whether Ryan Murphy is making a made a
purposefully shitty show with Paul's Fair criently on who.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
Harman welcome, she's talking about horror or she is Yes,
bullied me into watching Fair.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Miraculous, starring Kim Kardashian and a bunch of Ryan murphy
h usual suspects, including Naomi Watts, Niassy Nash Bets, Sarah Close,
and the pilot was deranged.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
It was almost some Robinson sketch and.
Speaker 2 (41:32):
It's so looking crazy. And currently a lot of the
discourse online about this show is, did Ryan Murphy make
a bad show on purpose?
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Did he did he purposefully go past camp to just.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Like like horrificness. I don't know about that. But but
Carmen as the as the as the trailblazer, who Lee
who led us to this topic to tell us about
your thoughts about All's fair and whether Ryan Murphy might
have done this on purpose?
Speaker 11 (42:08):
He yes, thank you for bringing me here today to
talk about this, because I.
Speaker 2 (42:16):
And IT could not give us what's the logline of
the show.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
The show is about what?
Speaker 11 (42:21):
Okay? So the show is about basically Kim Kardashian. Her
name is Alura Grant. These all, all of these women,
by the way, have ridiculous character names, which we're cann't do,
which is another reason why I know this is done
on purpose. But Alura Grant is leaving the law firm
that she has worked at, owned by Glenn Close, and
(42:42):
Glenn Close's character's name is, oh my god, what is it?
Dina standish incredible Dina. These all sound like drag names
of like a lawyer. Absolutely, and she is leaving Dina
Standish's law firm, starting her new law firm, taking with
Dina'sish's blessing, taking Naomi Watts who is Liberty, Ronson, Nisi Nash,
(43:08):
whose character's name is Emerald Green incredible, and Tiana Taylor's
character whose name is Milan. So she's taking all of
these women, starting her own law firm. And it is
a divorce law firm, but it's not any old divorce
law firm. It is like the top tier rich bitch
law firm. You need to get divorced from your husband
(43:31):
who is a multi multi millionaire, come to me. So
it is looking Camp straight in the eye.
Speaker 4 (43:41):
That's I agree, Common, I think like. So, basically, when
the show came out, me and Joelle and Common were
messaging each other in the Scream Queens group chat and
we were like, hey, is this bad?
Speaker 5 (43:52):
Everyone keeps texting me and saying it's bad.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
Maybe I should work zero percent on Nara percent on
Moron Tomorrow's at the time now four percent because obviously
it has now got some champions post this conversation. But
basically came out zero percent cost hundreds of millions of dollars,
looks like a shond it's just one hundred million, one
hundred million dollars it costs. And you know what, I
got to say, the money is on the screen because
(44:16):
the visuals, Yeah, you see every penny.
Speaker 5 (44:18):
The costumes are crazy, and there is so much like.
Speaker 11 (44:22):
The wigs, there's a wig every scene.
Speaker 5 (44:25):
There's also insane amounts of like wealth porn. But to me,
that adds like I.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Was speaking to my friend about it last night and
they were like, you know, we watched it because we
saw you saying that you were on the side that
it's good. It's so bad, it's good and I and
they were like, we hated it. It's wealth porn. I
was like, yeah.
Speaker 5 (44:42):
But to me, Kim Kardashian putting on a giant ring
the size you know, with a.
Speaker 4 (44:49):
Gem that looks so big, Taylor's engagement ring that looks
like it's like, to me, that just looks like it's
from party City.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
So that's just campus ship.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Like I don't if I had to be a Kardashian
in real life or in a version where she has,
you know, jewels that cost more than like a small
GDP of a country.
Speaker 5 (45:09):
To me, that adds to the campness, and.
Speaker 4 (45:12):
I do feel like there is no way that Ryan
Murphy wrote this without knowing exactly what he was doing. Guys,
they have Sarah Paulson with the most vicious and probably
heartfelt delivery where she calls Kim Kardashian a comrag.
Speaker 5 (45:31):
Like that is the level of this show.
Speaker 11 (45:33):
Jason, you have pulled it from a real player.
Speaker 5 (45:36):
Yeah, she felt like it did. Jason.
Speaker 4 (45:38):
You have a very fun theory about this that I like,
which puts more of.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
A petty vengeance spin on it.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Well, so, first of all, like let's dig into the
price tag and the Ryan Murphy of it all, and
it's stuntcasting of Kim Kardashian, who I don't know if
she's she's certainly in the top ten of Instagram followers
right still to this day.
Speaker 4 (45:57):
I think over the yeah a million so say as well,
like he's worked with that before and it didn't pop.
Speaker 5 (46:02):
So I don't know. Maybe they signed like a triple contract.
Speaker 4 (46:07):
Contract because it didn't work for horror stories.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
It didn't work.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
Well, clearly the idea is, listen, we need to pump
up Hulu, we need subs.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Kim wants to continue.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Her drive into script it as the reality show is
kind of you know, now mining the same plot lines
for the fourth and fifth and.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Sixth time, and so like, what can we do?
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Let's pair him, Let's pair her with Ryan Murphy, who
she's worked with before as a as a hit maker.
And as you mentioned, this might have been part of
an existing deal, although the Angler is reporting now that
this show came upon about as part of a meeting
that happened between Disney co chair Dana Walden and Chris Jenner,
(46:55):
with Chris Jenner urging and Kardashian who and with Chris
and Kardashian basically saying we need a project and Dana
Waller saying what about a reality show? And Kardashian and
jenn are saying, no, what about something scripted? Can can
Bryan Murphy write something?
Speaker 1 (47:12):
So he wrote this?
Speaker 4 (47:13):
Okay, wow, this to me, This to me is a
get what you be, careful what you wish for situation
in that case, because I do think whatever issues And look, guys,
go back and listen to ed Gan. We were saying
this motherfucker needed to be he needs to be stopped.
Like I do not I do not want I am
not a huge bacon nap.
Speaker 5 (47:34):
I'm not a huge fan. I have massive critique.
Speaker 4 (47:36):
Ex Grandpa, if you're gonna be making something, yeah, make
some fucking shit like this.
Speaker 5 (47:42):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
I texted everyone this feels like you're watching The Bold
and the Beautiful directed by John Waters. Like, to me,
that's the kind of trash I want. John Waters lives
in trash.
Speaker 5 (47:53):
This is trash. It's the same to me.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Like, but I don't think him Kardashian and Chris Jenna
approached it with that way.
Speaker 5 (48:00):
I think Ryan Muffy probably.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
So this is my theory. So this is my theory.
Murphy signed on because he loves a check.
Speaker 11 (48:10):
He never check right.
Speaker 2 (48:14):
He got a bunch of his usual suspects he would
expect to be in good stuff or or at least
interesting stuff, right, Glenn close, yeh, He's done very interesting.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
Lots of Emmy Golden Globe ostas around these.
Speaker 1 (48:28):
Pauls and she and they and.
Speaker 2 (48:36):
They start working on it. Kim and Chris Joanner have
notes about everything. They don't they want different dialogue, they
didn't want different scenes. There's gotta be a power struggle.
I can't imagine any world in which Kim Kardashian and
Chris Janner just go, Okay, Ryan, we like that, Let's
do it.
Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 11 (48:55):
I mean, Chris's executive producer and.
Speaker 4 (48:58):
She stage manages how kids maverage, so of course she's
gonna have a say about what.
Speaker 5 (49:02):
TV shows there.
Speaker 2 (49:03):
And so at a certain point Ryan just decided, I'm
gonna make this terror. I'm gonna I'm gonna embarrass you.
I'm gonna make this the lowest rated piece of shit
that everybody watches and hates, and I'm going to make
it so you will never have a career inscripted unless
(49:25):
it's something like this.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
The idea as well, like.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
A fucking dumpster dive sewer excursion that sucks ass but
does it in the most loud, fantastic, lavish, silk strewn,
diamond studded way possible because fuck you Kim Kardashian, fuck
you Christ Janner. And I can't say that, but I'll
say it. I crew tell love this theory.
Speaker 4 (49:50):
And if this is true, it makes a lot of
sense because I do have to say that there are
a lot of options in this show where it does
feel like Kim Kardashian is.
Speaker 5 (50:01):
Like the butt of the joke.
Speaker 4 (50:02):
Even if she maybe doesn't know, for example, one of
the first time I don't think she does realize, and
that makes it even better in my opinion, because she
plays it completely sincere.
Speaker 5 (50:12):
But also I.
Speaker 4 (50:13):
Will say, like I feel like Nissi she knows exactly
what show she's in, and I or something I do
want to commend, which is so funny because like when
do you do this? But I also always do try
and shout out PR teams because you guys are working
so hard and we work with so many incredible PR teams.
But I have to say, I think the most impressive
thing about the way that they have handled this show
(50:34):
is actually once the reviews came in, they leaned into it,
they started doing they'd started doing like cuts of the
craziest moments.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Nissi Nash is out there.
Speaker 4 (50:45):
Nisi Nash Betts is out there and she's showcasing the
scene where she's talking about where they, by the way,
are blackmailing someone in the first episode, like a billionaire
with like sexy pictures of him like BDSM clubs up
dressed as a fucking fuck piggy Daddy.
Speaker 11 (51:02):
Or whatever, piggy Piggy.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
I was just like, this is incredible I love you,
NISI and whoever decided that the way to approach it
was basically to be like they've been doing pr with Naomi.
Speaker 5 (51:15):
Sarah Paulson, like some of the Glenn Close like women.
Speaker 4 (51:18):
Who was so fantastically famous, and they're doing like videos
of them dancing around like talking about how that couns
and stuff like it's an incredible pay this.
Speaker 2 (51:28):
Here's Here's what I feel like is the weakness in
my theory. Okay, I think Ryan Murphy is quite capable
of creating very loud shit TV. Yes we know that,
but why would why would he do this to Why
would you do this to Sarah?
Speaker 1 (51:47):
Why would you do this Glenn Close? Why would do
Why would they be involved in it?
Speaker 4 (51:51):
Right?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
Why would they be Here's my retort to that. Okay, yeah,
why would.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
They be involved in it?
Speaker 2 (51:59):
Look around your television sometime and pay attention to the commercials.
Vince Vaughan and Owen Wilson doing cable TV commercials TV
for Infinity, so Magling, Kamel Nan Johnny doing direct TV commercials,
William Dafoe and Catherine Ohara doing Ultra Michel ob Blight commercials.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Guys from Scrubs doing t mobile commercials, it's.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
All happen is not there in the way that it
used to be there in entertainment TV.
Speaker 1 (52:25):
And of course, like I'm not trying to.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
Say that these that they're poor or that I'm just
saying that from their perspective, the money is not coming
in the way it used to because I guarantee you
every single one of them would love to not be
doing commercials. I think Kanahey would love to not be
doing Sales Force and Uber Eats ads that they have
(52:48):
to because the projects are not there. So as for why,
like respected good actors would be.
Speaker 1 (52:56):
In this, because the paycheck baby is.
Speaker 4 (53:01):
Yah Sarah Poster having fun is a funny gay I
was gonna says.
Speaker 5 (53:07):
I think she read that script and she probably.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
Called Ryan and was like what the fuck and he
was like, laid down whatever the backstory want to guess. Yeah,
just a great, a great, insane, divisive show and it's
going to be one of the big talking points of
the last seasons of Obvious Tears.
Speaker 2 (53:24):
Continue watching it, but I'm eager to see where they
where the discords go.
Speaker 4 (53:27):
We'll text you, will text you, We'll text you the memes.
Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yeah, that's it for this episode Thanks for Listening by.
Speaker 3 (53:41):
X Ray.
Speaker 2 (53:42):
Vision is hosted by Jason Concepts Young and Rosie Knight
and is a production of iHeart Podcast.
Speaker 4 (53:46):
Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Korfman.
Speaker 1 (53:50):
Our supervising producer is Abuzafar.
Speaker 4 (53:53):
Our producers are Common, Laurent Dean Jonathan and Bay Wack.
Speaker 2 (53:57):
A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate themes
songs by Aaron Kauffman.
Speaker 4 (54:01):
Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and Heidi.
Speaker 5 (54:05):
Our discord moderator
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