S2E24 Valley Girls

S2E24 is a little different than usual - it’s the infamous flashback episode, Valley Girls! Jessica and Zuzanna talk about the legacy of mother-daughter relationships in the van der Woodsen family, reminisce about their proms, and try to understand TikTok as two elder millennials.

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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Welcome back, listeners to your one and only source into
all things gossip Crow. You know you'll love it. XO
x Oh, Hello everyone, and welcome back to XO XO.
I'm your host, Jessica's Or. Today we'll be getting into
season two episode Valley Girls. This is pretty special. We

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have a flashback to Lily's life growing up in l A,
which actually was a backdrop pilot for a Gossip Girl spinoff.
That's crazy, right, And of course the Upper east Side
has its own drama, including prom night and one of
the sweetest Chuck and Blair moments in the show. And
for my guest, you know her, you love her. I'm
so excited to announce my partner in crime, Susanna Shatkowsky,

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is joining me again this week. Susanna always brings the
best stories and honestly, I just love talking to her. Plus,
De Rhoda has some great moments in this episode that
Susannah can give her expertise on. I'm so excited. So
without further ado, here's Bally Girls. What's going on? Girl? Hey,

(01:33):
what's going Yeah? Every time we start talking, we have
a countdown and it sounds and to me, it's like
forgot to take off of the Space Shuttle. We're going
to space the girl. Um, that's actually funny you say that.
Last night we have two friends in town and we're
up in flag stuff and like at night, the stars
are so beyond like there's so many and that you

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see like shooting stars and all the things. We were
literally took blankets and laid on the driveway. Amazing and beautiful.
So but you have to appreciate that. It's like in
New York you can't see the stars and not staying
out one star. I guess there are some stars walking around, right,
But No, it's funny because Flagstaff it's like the only

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thing I know about Flagstaff is uh, the climate is uh,
you know, not what you would typically think of. No.
In Arizona, Sona. Yeah, and so because essentially desert beautiful. Yeah,
it's so beautiful the tree and right now with fall,
it's like all the colors, all the fall vibes, and
that this is my favorite time of the year. That's
why I like living in l A. Is hard for
me because I'm like, I need fall. I need that

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New York fall. Today is a good example. Today is
that kind of fault still sunny, but it has like
the temps are down where you can have like a
little bit of a light jacket. It's like brisk, yes,
and it has that feeling of people have wood burning fireplaces.
So this time of the year when you're walking the dog,
smell the fireplace is and it's like crunchy leaves and

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it's like crisp air. Yeah, and is yea does really
well in spring and fall because the small amount of
foliage that we do have, it's like all of a
sudden you kind of start noticing it because it's like
beautiful colors. And yeah, fall is definitely, let's romantic New
York time. This is magic time. It really does feel magical.

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Brief little window. So the countdown comes on. We're going
to gossip Girl World. We're in a like in a spaceship. Yes, yeah,
here we are. It does feel like that. And here
we are talking about fall in New York. Okay, So
we're rewatching season two, episode twenty four, Valley Girls, which
is based on the movie Valley Girl, three rom com
with Deborah Foreman and Nicholas Cage. I don't know that movie.

(03:48):
That's when I've never heard of. I don't either and
I like Nicholas Cage. He like cracks me up in
a way. Yeah, and so this is that crazy episode
where we have a flashback to Lily's youth. This only
happens once some gossip roll and we like leave the
sort of universe of this show and go into another.
We leave the planet of Gossip Girl and go go
to the planet of l A. I guess, yeah, yepree,

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I think is what it said in the opening. And
we see like Malibu and it's Brittany Snow playing the
younger Lily driving on PCH Pacific Coast Highway. I have
a friend that's from Malbo and she's like, people always
say the pH when you're not from there. She's like,
when you're from there, you just say pc H. That's
a good hint. That's like insider knowledge. Yea Pacific Highway.

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And Brittney Snow, who I'm a big fan of. I
think she's such a sweetheart in life and then her
as an actor, I think she's just she has like
always this undertone thing of like this comedic thing that
she brings to a lot of her roles. I feel,
all in all, I'm a big fan of her. No,
I agree. She has a really magical charismatic quality. And
in this particular show, it's like, because she is playing

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a young Lily and we know Lily so well, it's
like she really did an incredible job of finding the
sort of essence of that actor and then playing the
young version of her, Like it was masterful. I thought,
So I'm a big Brittany fan now, especially after what
I thought. She was really really really great, and I
love Christian Ritter, and I thought that was like a
good match and their chemistry was great. Yeah, oh that's

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a good chemistry. And it's funny because like we had
that that pair in this episode, we see the Brittany
and Britney Christian River chemistry and then we see the
Layton Blake chemistry and those two sort of blonde brunettes,
you know, but really really fun to watch those two
different friendships and the different kind of colors of them.
But then also they have essential like core that they

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share almost totally very true. And it's also funny because
you would never put those two sisters. So I also
thought that was kind of like interesting but cool, and
I loved how they plugged that right away, like the
Shiloh his character at the diner is like, I don't
see the resemblance. I'm like, okay, totally different looking, different vibes.
But I thought that that was what was neat about it. Okay,

(05:59):
can we talk about this before we get into it. So, yeah,
this was a spinoff, and it was essentially supposed to
be the pilot for a spinoff of Gossip Girl, which
was would have been Valley Valley Girls, right, right. So
it's like they conceived of the idea that the Gossip
Girl was at this point in its second season well received, right,
and they were considering spin off ideas. I mean, I'm assuming,

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and then they came up with this plan that, you
know what would be nice to to explore the high
school life of Lily vander Woodson. So I guess that
rather than make a separate pilot, they kind of folded
it into the Gossip Girl story here. So it's like
we're getting a pilot within an episode, right, So it's
like unique Dommy like yeah, and it's like I can't
think of another show where that's happened, but I'm sure

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it has, but it's an interesting way to do it,
it is, and I think the idea is like actually
really cool when you think about it. But I'm watching it,
and to me, when it was done, I'm like, wait,
I want to see what's going on with Lily and Carroll.
Even though we know where Lily ends up, there's still
like years that go on and this in that relationship,
And we get teased on so many things in this

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episode because like we know that you know, she had
some kind of you know, she really had a deep
relationship or connection with this guy that she meets in
this in l a and that somehow her mom messes
it up for her. We learned that from the flash forward,
and but we need to see it go down. And
it's like, yeah, I got really hooked, And it was like, yeah,
I really wanted to see how those characters continue to

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relate tweet and like even dis ship and yeah, her
on the bus, like how is she going to live
in this world? Absolutely? And I And here's my thing,
I don't know what ended up happening. If they just
decided to just leave at the flashback episode or whatever.
I'm not sure. I don't know the answers are, but
it didn't continue. But I think that with Gossip Girl,

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we're so dialed in right now with what's going on
with Blair and Nate and Chuck and then Serena going
to jail and Georgina coming back and all these things.
I think when it pulled away and we did go
back to the flashbacks, you're still like so caught up
on what's going on on the Upper east Side that
I feel like it was I feel like they would

(08:10):
have just done it on its own. It would have
maybe had a different outcome. Does that make sense, Yeah, totally.
And I think it's like it's like your attention is
kind of split. So it's like that the feeling that,
you know, I'm so invested in these characters in this
story and this these are like my buddies that I'm watching,
you know, it's like my gos girl that I know.
And then it's like, yeah, when you would get taken
away to the other story, it's like your brain almost

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has a reset, and then as soon as you get
engaged in the other world, like when you start to
really kind of get the you know, you're in the
vibe of it, then you flashback again. So it is
a harder way to do it, and they did a
great job in the sense of beaut wanting us to
watch both, but it was to me, I'm like, if
they would have just maybe done it on its own.
Then all of a sudden, Derroota brings her her problemdress

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and I can't get over the prom dress. I can't
get over how like sweet you are that you did that.
I'm so pumped for Blair. And then it cuts to
the other thing and I'm like still dandreaming about Blair's
beautiful prince dress. Yeah, and it's fun because I feel
like the juicy sort of flashback to you know, kind
of really getting into the Lily's relationship their own mother,
and like going back in Lily's life is one thing,

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but if it's a pilot for a standalone show, it's like,
I feel like you and I are both you know,
we're kind of in love with those characters in that story.
We wouldn't want to want to see it, you know,
as its own show too. But it's like, uh so,
I feel like this episode works beautifully the way that
it is, but it's almost like I wish they had
had then a second kind of standalone pilot on its own,

(09:32):
so that we could really invest in that other world
and then see it take off because it's such a
cool kind of spinoff because because there's so much to
dig into, right, you kind of have an idea of
where we end up with this character, but it's a
whole other world to explore, and so we have the
sensibilities of the same kind of creative team flashing it out.
So it's kind of fun and you look for the echoes,
but you can go into a whole other story and

(09:54):
invest in a whole other group of characters and it's
never going to bump up against the other one because
you know, it's not like the eighties, there of a
to catch up to the you know whatever year. So
I think it was so cool. So I wish I
wish it had been different, but you know, the world
of who and what, Yeah, you never know what TV
and or maybe someone else book the pilot and couldn't
do it, Like there's so many things that could have

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went on. But yeah, more or less, we both really
enjoyed it. Yeah, I think it was a fun It
was a fun jaunt. Yeah, And it's like when you're
an actor and you're working on the show, it's almost
you can't even let yourself think about how many things
have to go into making it. You just got to
try to make it and make it keep going. And
you know, so the idea that the pilot or an
idea turns into a series is already so you know,

(10:37):
beyond comprehension, beyond for sure, So who knows. But but
it was a really fun thing to explore, and I
think that we certainly got a lot out of it
in this episode as far as like, to me, this
stuff that we learned about Lily is priceless. And then
also the sort of mother daughter relationships that are set up,
you know, with Clates to Serena. I feel like it

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really gave us a lot of a lot of insight
and a lot of For me, it was very relatable
and so I think, you know, that kind of layered
storyline here really worked. And there was so much, like
you said, so much exciting stuff happening in the sort
of contemporary story. But the prom, I mean the prom
that's a big deal. Oh god, we need to get
into all of this right now. Okay, So this is

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here's where we left off, because now we we'll dive in.
But Chuck brought your Gina back to the city to
help him and Serena catch a scammer, while Blair had
to choose between Chuck and Nate. Rufus prepared to propose
to Lily but realized he didn't recognize her anymore, and
Serena's planned to expose Poppy ended with her winding up
in jail. Her mother put in j which I'm still

(11:41):
not over. Yeah, was like put her in jail and
then and then her plan us to drop the charges eventually.
But when we left her, she was just hanging out
and everybody was hanging out in the waiting room. Um
So in this episode, we have a flashback to the
early eighties, as we said, So it's some seven teen
year old Lily Rhodes that's who we're with, and she

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gets kicked out of boarding school and runs away to
Santa Barbara, where she reconnected her parents Rick and Cecy
and goes to find her rebellious sister Carol. And back
in the present day, Blair and Nate are going to
prompt together, but the evening doesn't turn out exactly as planned,
and meanwhile Serena and Lily do not see eye to
eye over Serena's recent running with the law. So a

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lot of things are happening, and incidentally, Andrew McCarthy plays
the dad, which is amazing. Yeah, because first of all,
he's an icon of that time. I mean he's like original,
like Brett Pack guy. So yeah, and like the older viewers,
I mean the older but you know the viewers that
we're not, you know, teens and twenties of the show. Um,

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that says something to them because he was in a
ton of back to the eighties. Yeah, and we're getting
and he's like, you know, that's sort of the generation
that he was like this cool kid in and then
so that's cool. And then also the fact is like
I know he you know, he worked on Gossip or
so much as a director, directed some episodes and I
loved him as a director, So I forgot that he
was on it as an actor in this episode, and
it was kind of I didn't even know about, Like yeah,

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I felt like a real like I was like, what
is that him? And so fun because then he would
have been on both sides of the same camera. Is
kind of cool because like, yeah, if he got to
new the crew and he's I liked him as a
director because he was like an actor's director. Obviously he
was real like confident and easy and really knew how
to speak, you know, like he would give one quick
line or one quick note and you just got it.

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But yes, when he popped on the screen. After Lily
gets out of the car and Malibu, she stops at
a pay phone because obviously there's not cell phones then,
which is also again so like fun to watch because
you can't just text, you can't just go on, you
know what I mean, Like she could pull over, like
put change into the pay phone, like you know, probably
look up the number in her date book. Especially. I

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was thinking about this too that like for us watching
it now, it's like the original Gossip or like modern
day I mean the one with Blair and Serena in
that world old were for us as viewers now those
phones and the technology has already dated, and then here
you have, you know, another level of different. So we're like, yeah,
three jumps away from this world of connectivity that we

(14:13):
have now. So it's fun to see that. It is
like my sister who's twenty years old, doesn't understand that,
like there wasn't navigation at one point. I mean, she
understands it, but like she doesn't know a world in
that so she's like, well, what how did you get
to places? Or so like you had to like literally
right down and be like, okay, I gotta take exit
seven B and take the second right. Sometimes you wouldn't

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know the street names, so you literally had to print
out the actually from map quest. They had that. Yeah,
but but I mean in the eighties, I don't in
the actual map and or an atlas or you know
roads that they would say very stressful. Yeah, we yeah,

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see a little bit of which is fun, I think
when I mean, it has to be so fun as
you're creating a show too, uh evelve into all those
details in the world build you know, for the eighties,
and I think they've definitely had a fun time, for sure.
I'm sure they did. But you know what, I also
think it's probably a bit of a challenge nowadays. You
can't really have a scene in a show or in

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a movie that's you know, present day without a cell phone.
But that also it's got to be challenging because of
like conflicts that you need in a script or in
a story, or the problems or the lessons that you're
learning in these storylines and things like that. Because it's
so easy to just send a text or call. So
I feel like it's got to be a bit of
a challenge to like navigate why you don't just pick

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up the phone when you're in a you know, in
a situation, you know what I mean, Like like Serena
and Jail, she couldn't just pick up the phone or
she wasn't getting dance text because she didn't have it.
That worked in that scene. But the majority of the time,
everyone has a phone in their pocket in their hand.
Oh yeah, it's a very different different thing than movies
in the eighties and nineties because or any time before,
because you you you would literally have to show up

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or I don't know, I would think as a writer
that would be right. I mean I was. I was
in graduate school, um in the you know, mid mid auts,
I guess, and I went for three months to Moscow
to the Moscow Art Theater. We studied there. It was
like part of my grad program in America. And when
we went there, we didn't have you know, even though

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we had cell phones back then, and I mean they
weren't as cool as they were today. But when we
went to the other you know, overseas, we couldn't use
them at all because it was before you know, smartphones
and all that. So I remember for three months living
in a flashback world to like the eighties and nineties
where you actually had to make plans show up. If

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you didn't, people were concerned or they felt, you know,
stood up. But you couldn't even be late. That was
anything you couldn't say, like, hey, running ten minutes late,
because you know, you'd like hope that a person is
still sitting there, you know. So it was it's such
a different kind of accountability, like human to human. I
think that's one of the things you know that's so
different too. So yeah, I think we flashed back in time.
We have to. Even relationships are different because of communicate different. Yeah,

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I kind of in a way wish it was a
little bit still like that in the sense of like, hey,
I meet you here, and I'm doing that no matter
what it is, whether you know what I mean, Like
nothing that way though. Not even to sit down and
watch your show anymore, any show that you watch, you
can you can wait three weeks, you can wait for
the whole season at count and then watch it like
you used to have to sit down on a Monday
night at seven o'clock and watch Gossip Girl Fell on
a Thursday or whatever it was, you know what I mean.

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Also nothing, I mean speaking of watching TV, like when
I'm watching these episodes, you know, because we're going to
talk about them, and you know, I'm really paying attention.
And it makes me realize that I so rarely watch
television without my phone in my hand. So even shows
I love, I find myself just like scrolling and social
media and like, yeah, recently I've taken up TikTok from everything.

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I don't always it's so weird because like I'm kind
of a grandma with stuff, and you know, so it's
it's tick. Talk thing is such a thing, and I
haven't dove into it, and I don't know that I
will or ken because I just I'm like, it's just
another thing, but so many people love it. Just tell
me what freaks me out? I mean, for me, the
thing wasn't I didn't really understand how it worked, and
so then I kind of I logged in and took

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a look, and then I realized, you know, you kind
of just start the scroll and because you don't have
to follow people or have friends, or you don't have
to make any choices before you start scrolling. Um, it
kind of just like feeds you. So then it starts
to learn about you, I guess because like whatever you're
paying more attention to, it starts sending you more of that.
So it's a real I mean, it's kind of dangerous

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because like the first time I looked at I was like, oh,
I don't get it. By the second time, I was
like two hours later, I'm like watching like hours of
like croc pot videos. But it's like and also the
things things I like now, I mean it's sending me
all these you know, animal rescues and and then you know,
weird like one pot recipes. I'm like, oh, this is

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so I'm starting to get it. I'm like, oh, this
is what TikTok, this is who TikTok thinks I am,
which is kind of a funny. It's like a funny
mirror to your own personality. But I have yet to
venture into actually making any of my own content or videos,
which is slightly overwhelming. So I'm gonna try it. We're
gonna promising here and now to try I'm gonna make
Mike al TikTok video. I'll let you know, and I

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want to know all the things. Let me ask you this.
So now we're jumping back from the eighties, from the
rewatch to the Gossip Girl we were on what are
we calling it that the original? Is that what we
don't know? To the one that's on now? Do they
on the new one talk about TikTok and Instagram and
snapchat like those things in the dialogue because that is

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such a part of today's world, or do they stay
away from that and just let Gossip Girl be the
platform that now they definitely do. The Gospels is an
Instagram handle, but they're in the whole new show, and
so you find out right away anything Gossip Girl is
versus the way that you know the original series it was.

(20:02):
But you know what, they probably had to do that otherwise,
are you just trying to recreate the same show? And
sometimes that is not what you can do, I think,
not what you can do, not what people want to see,
because you did it and you know what I mean, right, No,
they definitely, like I feel like they did a brilliant
job of moving forward in time with us, you know,
as a society. Um, so all of that social media,
like exactly what you're saying, like it's I think it's

(20:23):
really the kind of uh tent pole of the show,
Like it's like a crux of it is this understanding
of how people communicate today. So it's really integrated and
so I think similar to the original show, it's like
kind of cutting edge and time appropriate and really realistic
in a way in terms of how people use media.
So even though Gossip or all the original the one

(20:45):
we're watching seems dated, it's like they were very that
use of social media and media in general was really
advanced in that moment, right, So it's like the fact
that people were looking at a blog and texting each
other and snapping photos of each other, like that was
cutting edge stuff back in the day. Right, amazing. Yeah,
that's a wild it is. It's interesting because that, um yeah,

(21:08):
the like in Gossip Girl, the original to Rode, I
had a scene where she was on Facebook, like doing
some Facebook stocking. So like Facebook was very you know,
was the thing. And you know, one of the other things,
as I've told you before, I have certain like TV
watching pet Peeves, which um comes to bear in this episode,

(21:28):
which I have I'll get to in a second, but
one of them is when I watched television today and
people are texting on phones and how you know if
it's like you're texting your boyfriend. But then they show
the phone and there's no previous text messages like that,
they didn't create start and I'm like, yeah, nobody's And
so it's funny because I that's why biggest pet peeve.

(21:50):
But I watched like like technology on television now, But
they nail that in the New Gossip Girl and then
in this gossipel it's not even applicable because the way
those phones were because the screen takes up the whole screen. Yeah,
Like in this episode, we see Serena finally at the
end text silly and says, I'm sorry, you know, I'm
on my way home, and it's like text takes up

(22:11):
the whole screen. It's so funny. It's like such big letters.
But yeah, okay, so we have the flashback she meets

(22:32):
her dad. It's Andrew McCarthy, who we love, and then
c C, who I always love when CEC comes on
because just even the tone of her voice and like
she's nucleus from which everything comes on the Upper East Side,
you know what I mean. Somehow she's like the classic
you know, yeah, she's like wicked and wild, but like

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she has this like accent, but it's I don't know,
I just she's also cool and like really, she's such
a like a beautiful woman. And it's funny because I
end this episode at one point that that's either Jenny
or Eric. I think he says like, oh, Grandma moves
fast or something, and I was like, of course she does.
Look at her, she's like a model, and he's like,
I mean, she doesn't look like a grannybody's grandma, you

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know what I mean. And it's so great because we're like,
of course that's how Lily is gonna look too, down
the line, because it's like beautiful, sophisticated, you know, easy
elegance that they have totally And how about the woman
who plays c C and the flashbacks, like even her
tone of voice, I'm like, wow, she's like really, yeah,
she's fantastic. Yeah. I feel like both she and Brittany

(23:39):
Snow definitely studied those characterizations and they honored them, and
you know, you can see those characters in their work,
which is so cool. And it's like, so in the
beginning of that, will you clarify one thing for me?
So we see, uh, the young Lily at lunch with
her dad. So she's been kicked out of school and
she wants to live with her dad in l A.

(24:00):
But he because he has this whole new or not
not new life, but this life that she wants to
be a part of it. She wants to just she
wants to reconnect and yeah, come there, but he some
but he's too busy and he's like some kind of
record executive or big shot or something. Right, basically he's not,
you know, there for her in that moment. It's kind
of disappointing. But CC is there. So do they all
live in l A. Or is she living in New

(24:22):
York with Cecy? I don't know. That's a part of it.
Was confused. I don't know. That's why we need another episode. Yeah,
they live, they lived in Malibu in West Hollywood. Did
they live in the valley? Because the feeling that her
and her mom stayed on the East coast and that
the dad and the others than the sister were on
the West coast and then now they were kind of
all coming together. That's kind of what I thought was
going on, but then the details got away from But

(24:43):
I guess it doesn't matter. I mean fundamentally, what matters
is that it was like Lily, yeah the question even
back then though, she has like an Upper east Side vibe,
which you know, and there's a scene in this episode
where the where the young younger CC says to her,
I want you to live on the Upper east Side
and so it's like already in definitely in the rational life, right,

(25:03):
so it makes sense to go in her style because
she's so I feel like that was so interesting to
me was the feeling the vibe of l A. You know, yeah,
they're like surfboards and the sun and like very yeah,
and how she did or did not stick out there,
you know, like her hair and her pearls and you
know she was So that was a fun way to
like explore that character, I think by like contrasting her

(25:26):
so much with that kind of I guess that laid
back energy of l A and especially in the eighties
totally how about why And they're literally speaking of that
when they're in the car and they're talking about how
she she sold her car to invest Carol sold her
card to invest in something, and she's like it's like
a purse that you wear around your waist. Oh, yes,
she's talking about a Fannie Pack. I love that. I

(25:48):
feel like there's a couple of moments in this episode
where you get that really And I think this episode
was actually written by Josh and Stephanie, so I feel
like you really get a lot of their very particular
wit here, you know, And like that is one of
those things, like inserting the fact that she's frivolously invested
in a Fannie Pack. It's so good. I love that.
I loved it. I was like, wait, I had to
rewind it. I'm like, wait, is that what she's like
explaining that she invested in a Fannie Pack? You're so right,

(26:10):
that's very like good. Yeah, And it's just so funny
because it's like for the people who kind of catch
that or for whom that's humorous, it's like that's the
kind of detail that makes the show really palatable and
juicy and like something that people really and it's so subtle,
like they're just talking about it in the car, like okay,
so that that happens. And then we go to Blair's

(26:30):
where you bring her the dress. What does de Rota say?
I have some good news and bad news. Yeah, she says,
so basically, it's like the address her dress was ruined,
I guess in the dry cleaner. And then but Dorotea
is holding it and it's like in the arment bag
and Blair wants to see it. She's like, no, this
is a body bag. It's just like you know that

(26:50):
she address, so that it's like, you know, a mutilated corpse,
and she won't allow her to see it, which was
so funny. And you know, I haven't seen in a
few episode so that we've we've been rewatching together Toroda
hasn't been physically present, and so having um the scene
when she pops on the screen, I was like, oh,
it's so exciting to see. And it made me laugh

(27:10):
because to me, like the move like with the body
bag and then there was like a couple of eye
rolls and so kind of seeing the how almost over
the top comedic it was. But it still seemed okay
because I feel like somehow I buy it that like
they're that's almost silly together. Yeah, so it didn't make
me laugh and I was like, oh wow, it was
really like there was like a lot of broad moves

(27:32):
in there. And then also once Stoda shows her, she
has a prom dress from Paris and that dress box,
Oh my gosh, it was like mongous um. And so
it's like it was how was how was late? And
even walking in that that felt just and she did
it so gracefully and it looked like it almost looked
like it was comfy, but it just seems so thick

(27:54):
and big, but it was so beautiful. She looked insane
that kind of box. Yeah, just such a big box.
And Dorota sets it down and then they both look
at it. It's like they're both like throwing it and
Blair both have the biggest smiles. And it's so funny
because I was watching it. I remember I don't remember
doing the scene at all, but I remember that vibe
of like it was always so easy to have the

(28:15):
sort of excitement moments because we just had so much fun,
you know. And so it's like when we opened when
I opened the box, as Dorota throat is like almost
jumping up and down with joy over this Parisian dress.
And I remember that that was always like really easy
to play, you know, like it was always just very
fun to lean into those those happy for Blair moments.

(28:35):
It was a very typical kind of interaction for us,
but I don't remember specifically at all. So it felt
fun to watch it because it was like watching another
person almost well right, yeah, so that was a fun
scene to see. I was excited for that, and then
you showed up in the scene. I don't know what
the conversation was about. I think about Serena going to jail.

(28:57):
Why to jail? Right over? And so everybody's sitting around
and Dan and Jenny and Rufus is there and I think,
you know they're they're chatting, and then but there you
guys go eating Chinese food out of the boxes with
the chopsticks had a plate. Because that stuck out to
me from what you said that Vanessa did have a plane.
Oh good, And in my mind, I'm like, maybe Dan

(29:18):
already had it and he's just going back for a second.
Because I thought of you when I saw that scene,
I'm like, oh ship. I was like, in the Upper
east Side, that freest side, they eat it on fine
China and in Brooklyn they're just like you know, so
I feel like you can eat I'll explain it. I
think you can eat lomaine out of the box, but
everything else you have to mix it with the rice,
you know, like that's actually making me want totally want yeah,

(29:40):
oh man. And yeah. And also I was like, that's
the where Dan lives. It's not too far from where
I lives. I was like, I wonder where they would
have ordered from. Oh my god, Yeah, you're like looking
it up. Yeah, but so that was funny. But yeah,
so we get to see. That's another thing we explore
in this episode is that sort of after a math
because the last time we saw Rufus and Lily, he

(30:03):
was about to propose and then he changed his mind
doesn't But at this point is do we know or
feel like like, are we getting that he didn't do
it because of her putting Serena and jail? Because That's
what I'm getting, That's where I'm at. So it's like
kind of shocked by that, right that he basically, um, yeah,
that she she I guess he kind of called her

(30:25):
out as as behaving, you know, like like her mother.
So I think that's it was like almost like that
comment that he made and breaking the you know, not proposing,
uh set us up for this whole episode where we
flash back to her relationship with her mother and you know,
and then we see and then Cecy comes back, like
that's another thing. So, so Serena is in jail and

(30:46):
Lily finally goes to bail her out or to you know,
get her out, and then turns out that in fact,
Serena has called Cecy instead of Lily, And now I
feel like the whole episode becomes about this generation mother
daughter dynamic that plays out for sure. Yeah, and speaking
of Serena says something to Lily about like, I don't

(31:09):
want to be a mom like you, like I'd rather
give my kids up for adoption and be a mom.
It's something along those lines. And then she's like, oh wait,
you did that. I was like, yeah, yeah, I was
like that was like digging so deep and so gnarly
and so rough. Yeah yeah. And I feel like here
it's also that the kind of generational echo to the
fact that like the same thing happens between the mother

(31:30):
daughter pairs in a in a family like down the line,
you know, So that like the fact that we explore
that here that you know, Lily, she was Serena with CC,
and now now we's see Serena with Lily and then
like Lily is now CC, and it's like this whole
thing where that yeah, and then CC Serena out, our
veils are out, like it's yeah, and so I have

(31:52):
web there is crazy. I also think it's so nice
how they because we go on this path and explore
like Cecy's childhood. It's like what Gossip Girl does so
well is that the characters who are like, you know,
the parental figures and fleshing out all of their emotional
life and their history and their story. It allows us
more insight about Serena, who is you know, our kind

(32:13):
of principal character. And you know, so it's like these
parents are multidimensional and it makes the story deeper because
I feel like a lot of shows, like a high
school show or something, the parents are the you know,
they become kind of a peripheral or like just there
to frame the action. And here you have like, you know,
they're really part of the story and you care about
them as much as you care about Lareen Serena. It's like,

(32:33):
I'm really invested in Lily and her life, and it
makes the whole thing just like deeper and and also
more relatable, I think for a bigger audience. You know,
so it's like and I you know I'm similar to you.
It's like I saw things that I related to from
you know, my own mom. But I was wondering because
I was thinking of you as I was watching, and
I was like, I wonder, it's like a new mom
with like, you know, such a little little one, like

(32:54):
are you already like when you watch stuff about mother
daughter relationships and is it hitting you a different spot now?
And yeah, like, oh my god, please just always don't
never if you mean don't never say it that. Yeah,
there's so many And here's a thing that's like there's
a moment when Serena was saying that to Lily and
she's looking at her. She goes, oh, just wait, trust me.

(33:16):
Lily says something along those lines, and I'm thinking, like
as a mom when Serena saying that to her mom,
as much as maybe Lily has made some mistakes or
I really think she was always trying to do the
best she could do. And I do think most parents
do try to do the best, and sometimes they make
mistakes and sometimes it's you know, it's not the outcome

(33:37):
that they want, but it's never their intention. It was
never to like hurt Serena or make her feel you know,
nothing but love. So when she's saying that to her,
it was like, I was like gutted for Lily because
I'm like, she wasn't trying to do that to you.
But also, as a seventeen year old kid, you don't
know the life experiences, you don't know what it's like

(33:57):
to be a mom yet, so in your mind, it's
your like just lashing out and telling her she's a
horrible person. But we know that Lily really was, isn't
you know? So, And then Serena says, because like at
the end of the episode, she kind of she has
that line of somebody asked her about it and she says, oh,
my mom just did that to me because she loves
me or whatever. So she kind of resolves it so

(34:19):
easily almost in her head about the jail thing. But
she gets, you know, she gets that very thing that
we're learning in this episode, which is that like every
mom's just trying her best, right, and it's also like
the tough love like Lily's trying. She in her mind,
she's like maybe teaching Serena and everyone else, even Nate
when they're waiting in the jail in this episode. In
the beginning, He's like, who does that? It's true, we're

(34:40):
all like, what the heck? In Lily's mind, she's like
trying to teach Serena that she can't like that she
needs to stay in R lane sometimes so that I
can kind of. I'm not saying I agree with it.
I still think it's nuts that she did that, but really,
you know, she's justifying it in in a way to
try to make Serena grow. Oh yes, no, I think so.
And I feel like we get to see all of
that here and it's like, sorree know, Lily cec. That's

(35:01):
whole family dynamic is so so essential here in this episode.
And then it's like we have the other side of
the coin, which is the we also have a lot
of action happening with Blair and Nate and so let's okay,
can we just talk about this, Yes, let's talk about
that for a second. Chuck basically is the reason is
behind the prom dress. Chuck is behind making sure she

(35:23):
becomes prom queen. And when he's like standing there and
Serena asked what he's doing and they're watching Blair get
crowned queen, here's again where you're you're like, oh my god,
with season three coming, this must be like another whole
roller coaster ride that we're going on, and now it's
going to be the Blair and Chuck right. Yeah, So
it's like, essentially in this episode, Blair is preparing for prom.

(35:44):
She has this fantastical idea of what proms should be,
like she has been dreaming, dreaming of it since her
since she was a little girl, and all this and
everything is just falling apart, like her dress is messed up.
Then Nate has, you know, all of his plans. He
has the limo planned, he has the corsage, he has
the hotel. Everything falls apart, and so it's like somebody's
sabotaging her prom night, right, So it's like we know

(36:07):
somebody is, and it's like Chuck kind of gets accused
of it, and then really it's the minions, right, Like
the mean girls are trying to displace her and make
so that she doesn't become prom quet. Right, Am I
missing something? No? I think that is that is correct?
And I why are all these girls coming out Blair again? Now?
I thought I was like the ringleader. Yeah I missed

(36:28):
I missed it. Yeah, I feel like something was to
happen a few episodes ago or something where they started
to get crafty on their own or something, but they did,
and I can't Yeah, I don't know, but it was
I'm starting to Penelope even though that pink dress is
super cute and I like it, don't be like rude
to Blair. Yeah. No, It's funny because when she finds

(36:49):
out that she is Quean, she's like, well, of course
we are. I'm like, okay, Blair, right, yeah. So it's
like it's like we get to the prom finally towards
the end of the episode, and then Blair mean, basically,
she discovers that Chuck is holding a bunch of like
ballots that say Nelly Yuki on them for prom Queen,
and so she accuses him of being the saboteur of
her whole right and really mean to have And then

(37:12):
in the interim we find out that in fact, she
did win prom Queen, and it turns out that you know, Chuck,
Chuck overheard the minions scheming and he got went into
action and he voted. He's like, I voted a hundred
forty times or something for Blair so that she would
have the night of her dreams and so like we
find out that he's really the kind of the hero
and the savior of the prom night, which is so sweet,

(37:34):
and he never you know, it's all in the background,
That's what's so. I think what you're saying is like
when Serena asked him about it, he's just doing things
out of love for Blair. At this point with he's like,
I want her to have the perfect night, and like
that is so sweet without getting any credit for it,
and without you know, even making himself known, which is
like pretty authentic and sweet. Yeah, it's really cool, so
sweet not getting credit. She's like going off on yelling

(37:56):
at him. But yeah, so I don't really know why
the minions were turning on her, but I did love
to see them. And so like Amanda Satin, who plays Penelope,
is like one of my best buddies. And I love
her because when we were working on the show together
we became friendly and then she ended up doing a
play with me and we did a play together, so
we've seen a lot of time together. So I love

(38:16):
a man. I love her acting, and like, you know,
I haven't watched the show in so long, so it's
like seeing her in that Penelope role was like I
got such a kick out of it, and it was
just such a great moment because all all of them
in Dream and you know that, I mean the whole crew.
And what's so great about those performances too, is that
like they're so it's like here they're scheming and they're
like nasty girls, but there's like a vulnerability to it.

(38:40):
Like when Amanda, when Penelope announces that it's Blair, it's
like her face acts like yeah, and you kind of
kind of get the whole thing about high school, right
and the Yeah. It's like the fact that in high school,
like all these mean girls and stuff, like they're really
coming from place of insecurity. So it's like, I feel
like you get that here. You know, this problem seemed
very even though so glamorous and above and beyond, like

(39:03):
it still seemed relatable and like real to me in
terms of those dynamics. Yeah, because I just feel like
in high school everyone is still trying to find their place,
Like I don't. High school is so crazy to me.
I had some of my best years there and some
things that I was very hurt by. Some things I
learned a lot, but like the mean stuff when people
are mean, it like hits me in a certain way

(39:24):
because I did have like some bullying in high school
and it was very hard to get over and very
like later on years after high school, the girls all apologized.
We ran into each other back at a local bar,
and oddly enough, I was on Gossip Girl. They had
all watched it and all we're like, oh my gosh,
and a friend was like the fact that you're even
like saying hi to them or being and I'm like

(39:45):
that was on them, like they had something going on
for them to be mean to me or egg my
dad's car put pictures of me all over the high
school like as embarrassing and hurtful as it was, and
at the time, I wanted to change schools and stuff,
but like like what you said, it was their in
securities at them in the time, when my mom and
my sisters and family would be like, they're just they
have been securities, you don't It didn't. I didn't getting

(40:07):
help in the moment, Like I would never know, like
why would you be mean to someone that's like it's
such a hollow, a hollow thing, because it's like that
feeling of like grout mentality and like belonging or something.
But then to do that by hurting someone else, it's
just that it's a unfortunately doing that, right. Yeah, it's
actually really sad for for them. Yeah. Yeah. Like I

(40:29):
was in high school in Indiana and uh, Fort Wayne, Indiana,
which is like, you know, very midwestern, kind of mid
sized town, and my high school. I was in high
school in the nineties and I years years later, a
guy that I was in school with wrote me an
email or write wrote me like a message on Facebook,
and he said that he, you know, later in life,
he came out as gay and that he wanted to

(40:51):
thank me for being nice to him in high school.
And in high school he was really really abused and
U you know, had a very difficult time. And it
was struck me so much because I was like, I
don't remember being that nice to him. I think I
just wasn't mean to him, you know, And it's like
I could have been such a better person in high
school because with hindsight, it's like to step in and
be a hero for somebody who's being hurt, you know.

(41:12):
Just the fact that I was one of the kids
who wasn't mean to him met something like his life
you know, and it's like that's like it's so sad
to look at it, but you want to take like
young people and just like yeah, that's why when I
do see the mean girls in these episodes, like like Penelope,
you better chill, yeah, and the mean girls in this
I mean, I feel like the Blair is like the
queen Bee of the mean right in a way she is,

(41:34):
but it's funny because she she plays it in a
way where you still roote for her. That's that's what's crazy.
But that problem, I mean, it's that beautiful other opposite

(41:55):
side of gossip orl which is like because like part
of it is relatable and there's so much reality to it,
but then there's also the fantasy part, you know, and
like yeah, I mean my problem was in like, you know,
an auditorium, like like a gymnasium's type auditorium, and it
was like balloons and stuff and here that I mean
just the amount of just a decor alone. I was like, whoa,

(42:15):
it's insane and like like diamond Tiherra's and it was insane.
What did your dress look like? You know? I went
to a couple you know problems. We went junior prom
and senior prom, and I had some friends from other
high school, so I went a few times. But I
always had a difficult time picking out a dress because
my mom, because I was originally from Poland and my

(42:36):
mom was very Polish, so she was like it was
a really hard sell to get her to buy me
like a typical prom dress. Like she just had a
different fashion sense and so she always wanted to have
something different, And I was always like, Mom, what the
problem dress? Because it was all Rick and I had
the same kind of style, you know. So I remember
that there was like a little bit of an uphill
battle getting my parents to like purchase the one that

(42:58):
I wanted. Um. But I think one of the things
about growing up in the Midwest and and kind of
a suburban setting, at least in the nineties, was that
we went to the mall. We had like a couple
of department stores where you would go to the fancy
dress section, like the prom dress section, and so not
having the same dress as like twenty other girls was
like almost impossible. And then we didn't have online shopping,

(43:21):
so you can only buy what you could go see,
you know. So you know, you live in a sport
way in Indiana. You're going to glen Brook Mall and
they're like, you know, and that's you're not You're not
buying stuffe And I think the options now. I think
you can live in you know, the most rural part
of Kansas and get you know anything. You know, you
can go online and and really do some research and yeah,

(43:45):
how about you. Do you remember what your I went
with one of my best friends, do you know, and
we had the best time we had. We went to
turn I went, I asked him to turn About. That's
what I guess backward. Yeah, we just had so much
fun at Wanted. I can't remember which was first. I
guess it was turned About first. We had so much fun,

(44:06):
more like, let's do problem together. But mine was just
a simple black dress. It was very black. I wore
my hair straight for the first time ever, I think
in my life. So I think that was kind of
shocking to people when I got to the pictures because
my hair was super super curly. Who are you paper like, shock? Yeah,
straight hair back. And I just wore a straight ponytail
and a black dress. And then I went to another
problem in Chicago and it was just a plain white dress.

(44:29):
So very simple. Not at all what Vanessa would wear.
I'll tell you that, but um, maybe almost what something
Serena would wear, not like, yeah, I don't know, very
simple company. Yeah yeah, listen to me breaking down my problem.
Like almost made a statement, but did I don't know.
I liked it. It was, um, we had we had
a good time. It was great. The music was good,

(44:50):
the dinner was good. It was it was awesome. It's amazing. Yeah,
it just reminded me we said music. It's like, that's
probably one of the biggest things in this episode is
one Stefani is then it, which is so doubt yeah,
and so like when they that's in the flashback, So
basically it's like Serena gets out of jail and they
all go to prom Right and then that's basically the

(45:10):
and then you know we're dealing and then Lily is
dealing with the fallout of issues with raising Serena basically
and that her relationship with groups. But then in the
flashback world, it's like the young Lily, I just kind
of despair your dad lost in l I finds her
sister and they go on this kind of adventure and
she kind of finds herself I guess by like rebelling
in the end against her mom and like the two

(45:31):
sisters kind of right off into the sunset together, right,
Like that's kind of essentially what happens, right, And but
in that process, like the kind of peak moment is
this evening out where they go, you know, out in
the town and like out in eighties l l A. Right,
So they go to that club and it's Seguen Stefani
and No Doubt or playing like as an eighties ban

(45:53):
right by the way. When the music came out, I'm like, wow,
this is like a great like whoever whatever band this is,
I'm like, they should have made it. She sounds good.
And then there was like a vibe and then get
the close up swings in and it's Gwen Stefani. I'm like, oh,
that's because it's I was like doubt and I was like,
is that really? And then I was like, of course
it is. That's what kind of show. It was. Always
had the coolest people, So yeah, it was awesome. And
it's funny because like a lot of times when there

(46:14):
was a musical guest, like it had to kind of
blend into the episode. So it's like you get a
good moment with Gwen Stefani, and then the scene kind
of moves forward, you know, which is fun because you're like,
this is just the world there is. It was cool, yeah,
and that's what I love about how they do it.
But they go to the concert and then they go
to the house party and they're trying to track down
this guy who's like wronged the Kristen Rider's character Lily sister,

(46:37):
and so they end up in this like crazy house party,
and during that process, the young young Lily has some
drinks and basically starts really falling for this guy, and
they're this really cute thing happens where when they first meet,
he kind of runt walks in on or just trying
on these outfits, and she says, is this the part
where you fall in love with me? And then later

(46:59):
when they're dancing together and they're like looking at each
other's eye and he says, is this the part where
you fall in love with me? It's such like a
cute fun line, and I feel like such a moment
from that from that story and it was so cute,
and so I was like getting really into their little
relationship and you know where it could go. It was
like lovely pure. But how about when Blaren Nate are

(47:19):
dancing And that's like such a moment too, and then
it's like they're breaking up, and you know, I found
that breakup right, So we're saying goodbye to Nate here
with Blair. But haven't you had that in your life
where you just feel something slipping away like that? Like
I mean maybe you know romantically or but I don't
know if I'm going to be and flow dancing like

(47:40):
holding each other in our arms, and then like two
minutes later, I'm like, we're breaking out. I don't know,
but babe, that's why it was such a moment because
it's so the irony of it and all this stuff,
and and then how he just accepted, like he's just
realizes it. It's like she never says it in words really,
and she's like, let's just not think about it for
this next moment and he's like okay, and then it's

(48:01):
just over and it's so it just hit me because
like I'm bad with like goodbyes and transitions, like I've
always yet really like my heart strings get pulled by
that sound. I was like, oh, the end of it,
the end of something is always hard for me to
take um totally. But that was quite a scene with
the two of them, and then that scene with them
Blair and Serena on the steps, and it all kind

(48:23):
of wraps up with that. Let's talk about this, you
know how there's certain scenes with the lighting on it,
their makeup, them sitting on the stairs. I was like,
oh my god, we know that they're both beautiful and
pretty and they look good on the show all the time.
They look good in real life too, Like we all
know that there was something so special about that moment.
Both of their skins were glowing, like they looked so beautiful,

(48:43):
like holy yeah. And you know how sometimes there's just
even when the dps like oh this lighting, this shot
like looks you know, sticking out more than other ones.
That was for sure one of those moments for those
two sitting on the stairs, and I loved it. They're
like saying that their sisters for life and they survived
so much together. Yeah. And then and they also kind
of wrap up high school in that moment either, like

(49:03):
like Serena says, it's such a a stooped observation she
makes when she says, like, you know, Blair's like, you know,
he was my high school boyfriend. I was wanting to
go to prom, my high school boyfriend. And she's like,
and then you did it, and you realize he's your
high school boyfriend and not your life boyfriend or your
post high school but you know, so it's like the
fact that they just kind of sitting on those steps.
They're almost like letting high school fall away. And it's

(49:26):
like that transitional moment where it's like, you know, moving
to that next phase of life. It's kind of insane,
what is too And I also feel like when you're
like a senior in high school, I feel like so
many people are so ready to be done with high school.
And then I remember adults would always say it goes
so fast, and then in ten years you're gonna wish
you were back there, and that is kind of true,
because it goes so fast. It's like so funny the

(49:47):
next chapter in your life. And a lot of times
you're leaving high school and thinking that, like, you know,
the next thing, and for me at least, and so
many things changed, right, I mean, like everything I thought
was it was going to happen in my twenties was
completely the opposite. I thought I was gonna have four
kids at like, you know, because living in New York,
shooting up, shooting gossip in New York different. It was

(50:08):
not at all in my mind when I was seventeen
years old, you know what I mean. So it's wild
when they're sitting in what you saide those big moments
wrapping up that chapter, and it also kind of reminds
us to I guess that like love relationships come and go,
but like friendships and family are kind of, you know,
always there, because it's like she says, I think Serena
says something about that, like you know, all the boys

(50:29):
and boyfriends, but like, you know, we have each other
or whatever. And then you kind of flashed back to
Lily and her sister having their sister moment and kind
of ending with this feeling of like it's us against
the world, you know, and so that's kind of nice.
And then we have another yeah that faced up with
Lily and Cecy, which is like, like I really related
to that, which is that Willy was like, I'm gonna

(50:50):
ask her to stay. Lily goes to Cec with an
open heart, and then Cec does that amazing thing that
humans do, which is the Lily is coming to her
with an olive branch and then she like pushes it
away and you're like no, no, no, and she has
this super chice like crap on looking and you're like,
just let it be nice for a minute. And then
she's like yeah, and then something about the hug. Yeah,

(51:10):
and then she keeps on poking and poking, and then
but then Lily does that amazing thing where she like
overrides it. She like let's see C B C C,
but like forces her into that hug and then at
the very end like CC kind of let's it in,
you know, like let's go and and it's such a
lovely mother. There's like a little bit of a tug
and more there there and they both play it and
do it so well. Like yeah, like you said, like

(51:32):
Lily knows what's going on, but she's like I'm gonna
like let her feel like she got to me but
she didn't, but she did. But like there's like so
many things going on right and sometimes you just have
to force that for some of the saying it's okay,
it's gonna be okay, like you know, I love you,
let's hug it out. Like, you know, begrudgingly and yeah,
so I feel like that was a nice kind of resolution.

(51:53):
Then we have the resolution with Lily and Serena too,
so it's like it's like things got wrapped up. But
then again, it's all new beginning, so it's like totally now,
it's like what's going to happen and who's you know,
what's gonna happen with Rufus and the Lily and you know,
it's like all this fresh start stuff, which is like
always a little scary. It is because it's like the
past is the past. Let the past be the past.

(52:14):
But it's also the past is so present right now,
so that's like all crazy. Oh yeah, actually, speaking of
the gossip Girl quote like kind of nails that. Oh yeah,
do you want to do it? Um? Sure, it's a
long one. That's The other fun fact that we haven't
mentioned yet about this alisode is that gossip Girl is

(52:34):
always narrating. In the beginning of that she didn't, and
she didn't in this one, so it was an unusual
episode for gossip Girl herself. She basically didn't gossip Girl
didn't talk until the closing quote, right, and so when
you heard her voice you're like, oh yeah, which doesn't happen, right,
So they were closing quote, she says, shoulder pads may
come and go, but a BFF is forever because even

(52:57):
when you're not sure where you're headed, it helps to
know are not going there alone. No one has all
the answers, and sometimes the best we can do is
just apologize and let the past be the past. Other
times we need to look to the future and know
that even when we think we've seen it all, life
can still surprise us and we can still surprise ourselves.
Exo Gossip Girl. Yes, and you know what, so that

(53:19):
that quote is like really on point. Yeah, that is
really you're right, that like totally wraps up everything. We're
just saying, yeah, wow, yeah. Because also even what you
said when she says and life can still surprise us
and we can still surprise ourselves. It's like what you
almost that moment with Lily and her mom, Like she
knows exactly what her mom is doing, but she kind
of knows how to handle it right, like it's a

(53:41):
surprise even though it's not. I don't know. This is
one of my favorite Gossip Girl quotes that I've that
I've heard or read since then, it's really not very
larchy at all. Yeah, no, it's just being real and
it's just and it also has that feeling of wrapping
up something and opening the door for something new. Yeah,
and it's crazy, but like we're just about to wrap
season two, which by the way, is crazy. But for

(54:04):
a show episode the finale, for a high school show,
to graduate everyone and like have this transitional moment after
two seasons and then still live on in glory for
four more seasons. It's kind of cool because they really
let these characters grow and change, right, and we said
that before, but totally, yeah, that's well. And then and
then I'll also I wanted to know. I feel like

(54:25):
we see Lily's sister in the modern day. I was
going to ask that earlier. I think what happened? I
have a feeling like a picture who plays her? I think?
But mine might be wrong. But I also want to know,
like did this I want to see that too, But
I'm so ridiculous in my mind. I'm like, did Kristen
Rinnter ever come back in season two? Three or four?

(54:49):
And obviously it would be yeah, no, no, I think,
but it's like all a big you know soup in
my brain now, but we're threshing, I'm gonna look it out. Yeah. Also, oh,
we forgot to mention the one thing too, which is
that we've got to meet vander Woodson. I guess Serena
and Eric's dad. We met him at the pool party
in this episode. Oh yeah, and I can't remember what

(55:11):
happened the big moment too. Yeah, I can't remember what happened.
What his deal is like with them? Now? Yeah? Like
where is he now? Yeah? I forget. I mean there's
some spec story there, but I can't. It's a bald
one that plays her dad, right, one of the baldwins. Yeah,
I think so, but as he played vander Woodson or
does he play Like do they find out they have
a different dad? No, I don't know. I don't remember.
There's might be a more complications. Honestly, That's why I'm

(55:34):
glad we're doing it. But I love that bad the answers,
but I don't know. That's what's so cool about a
flashback is when they go, hey vander Woodson and you're like,
oh there is Yeah. I love that. I get a
kick out of it. I gotta kick out of that
whole thing, and I feel like, yeah, we definitely appreciated
going into that, you know, eighties Lily Rhodes want more,

(55:55):
and it's like, yeah, you never know. Television is such
that maybe someday, well maybe why not. I mean, you know,
let's send it out into the universe because we have
We're vibing with us for sure. So yeah, and um,
I have one little update from what we talked about
last time we were together. Uh yeah, remember how we

(56:16):
talked about there was a pop belly pig on. There
was here and makeup trailer. I remember who it was,
Kaylee Differ who played Ivy. So okay, how funny is this?
We used to be roommates, are you serious? Yes, before
she came on Gossip Girl. I remember when we found
out they were looking for Charlie and I think it
was pen in the makeup room. Was like, it's an

(56:36):
actor named Kaylee de Fer him like what I was like,
broke as a joke, couldn't afford rent And she rented
me her room for four hundred dollars a week, I
mean a month, and I would help Walker dogs. And
she was on a show on Fox that came on
after Family Guy and that's how I ended up meeting
and becoming friends with Seth McFarland because they knew each

(56:56):
other because they were both on Fox shows. It's just
a super small world, full circle. But yes, her and
I were roommates. But you And that's funny because I
never I don't think I ever knew that that was
her pig and wait and so wait she played Ivy
and Charlie though, right, I don't know. I'll find out. Yeah,
I'll have to do research on that, but you know,

(57:17):
hopefully I'm I'm right. But either way, it's no. I
think you totally could be. I wouldn't know. But that's
that's that's the magic of Gossip Girl. It sure is girl.
It's a weird little animals running around the air and
makeup room pigs, dogs, cats. Yes, this was so fun.

(57:38):
I can't I'm like, I'm excited and also like a
little like nervous because I'm like, what's what, who's coming on?
Who's leaving? But this was fun. I can't wait for
next week. We also have a fun guest coming on
with us to do the rewatch of the finale. Yeah, fun,
that's very cool. See where all these folks send up.
Yeah right, I'm like, uh, good lord, I know a

(58:03):
lot of shocking moments. Well, thank you for chatting to
me on this beautiful full day. I know I'm gonna
literally put a sweater on and go outside right now
for for the walk me too. I'm gonna I'm going
out actually, you know what. I'm gonna go out for
Chinese food tonight. So I love that, Susanna. It is

(58:24):
always such a treat having you on the podcast. Thank
you so much for joining me, girl and listeners, thanks
for being here, and get ready because next week is
the finale week. I know, I know it went way
too fast, so make sure to tune in for my
last season to rewatch. It's a good one. Catch you then.

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