February 29, 2024 • 27 mins
This week, a mother feels left behind by her partner, who has not changed his lifestyle of drinking and hanging around, in parenthood. Nedra gives advice on how to understand and tolerate behavior that just won't change.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, listeners, welcome back. I'm Nadra Glover to wib and
you need to hear this. When I was in grad school,
I remember many exercises around what population would you have
the most biased toward, which population would be hard to
work with, what sort of things might come up, which
(00:23):
I think was a really great exercise in helping you
to challenge your beliefs about a particular group of people
or a particular type of person. One of the things
that typically came up for me was, oh, my gosh,
people who harm children. I could never work with them.
(00:45):
And I will say that one of my early jobs
was in fact doing that. And what I learned was
a lot about people. I learned that despite you know,
what people do, they have a story and it does
not condone who they harm or what they do, but
(01:08):
there is a story behind who people become or what
they choose to do. The other thing that I was
challenged by is working with folks who have addictions. You know,
in my family there were several family members with addictions,
and I just thought, I am tired of this life.
This is something that you know, I wasn't ready to address.
(01:32):
And again I was put into you know, a role
where I had to work with folks who had addictions,
and again I learned, Wow, these people have a story.
And one of the biggest things that I learned with
addiction is it's not typically a chosen path for people.
(01:57):
It is a way of cold that has gotten out
of hand. It is a condition of you know, tragedy
and trying to manage it is sometimes partying gone too far.
It is a way to mask pain. I mean, it's
so many things outside of this person just wants to
(02:21):
be drunk, or this person just wants to use this drug.
In today's letter, and we will hear from someone who
is challenged by their partner's alcohol use. I don't want
to say abuse. I don't want to say addiction. I
don't want to say misuse. We will unpack that as
(02:42):
we go on. Speaking of those terms, I think over
the years, those terms have really shifted. I remember in
childhood it was for me, you know, it's alcoholic, this
person is an alcoholic or a drunk, right, and then
it's shifted to subs's abuse issue now substance misuse issue.
(03:02):
Much of that has to do with how we see people.
If we see a person as only an alcoholic. We
are dehumanizing them if we consider their whole story, we
might say, you know, they're misusing alcohol, or maybe there
are some dependency issues there. Now, socially, we are not
(03:24):
supposed to be diagnosing people, right, so when we have
a loved one who has a challenge with alcohol, we're
still not getting the whole picture. Even if we see them,
you know, drinking a case of beer or having two
pints of whatever. We don't know what they're doing secretly
because there could be some secret behaviors happening. So we
(03:48):
don't know often how severe someone's substance abuse issue is.
And our information of just stop it, don't do it anymore,
just put it to the side, it's not very useful
in the case of a person having a problem because
we're giving them a remedy that we may be able
(04:10):
to manage. Right Like, if you don't have a drinking problem,
you had some issue where you just had to stop drinking,
you could do it. But when someone has an issue
with the substance, that is not as easy. So let's
get into today's call and we will go through this
and take some breaks and digest some of this as
(04:31):
we talk today. So let's get started. Hello.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
One big issue in life I'm facing now is with
my significant other, and I hope you can give me
some advice on how to deal with this issue. So
we're not legally married, but we have been together for
twelve years now and have two children. So my issue
is that I've always had an issue with his drinking.
When we first got together, we obviously did not have children,
(04:58):
so we both did a lot of partying together, so
I saw no problem, of course, But once I became
pregnant and had my son, I did bring it to
his attention that he just drank too much and all
night and he should cut back. He ignored me to
get some background. We are Mexicans, so there's a big
machismo that men get to drink all night. It's like
(05:20):
they wear it as a badge of honor. He's always
had this belief that I was trying to control him.
Fast forwards twelve years later, and I feel things have
gotten worse. He stopped going out to drink somewhat, but
every Friday and sometimes Saturdays, he drinks at home in
the garage until five or six in the morning. I
brought it up and he said, I stop going out.
(05:42):
I'm at home. What's the big deal? He sees no
issue at all. More recently, I had an event and
he was supposed to stay with the kids. I woke
up at six thirty am to head out and he
was still up drinking. The kids did not want to
stay with him, so I had to take them with me.
When I bring up the issue, he says, Okay, then
you can't go out anywhere. I don't agree with this
(06:04):
because when I go out with my friends or family,
it's only like once a month, and I have a
couple of drinks. Socially, I head home early, like ten pm,
and if I have my children, I don't drink at all.
So that's like eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
What happens when we change and the other person doesn't
in relationships, you know, I think about friendships sometimes, like
you know, in my twenties, I had a partying phase
and some people stayed in that space longer than I
was willing to. And you know what happens to those friendships,
It's like you you grow apart. You you know, maybe
(06:46):
you see them in a different way. What happens when
we you know, maybe used to drink a lot and
or drink more socially, and you know, we don't have
a desire for that thing. In some relationships, you know,
it's something we can ship right when it's our partner
and we see that they're having some problem drinking and
(07:06):
it is a part of their cultural identity. Like in
our culture, this is what men do. Just as you
stated that he believes that as well. Who is he
without this? Who is he within his culture? If this
is a part of his identity, This is you know,
learned behavior. In some ways, this is how a man acts.
(07:29):
I remember I was talking to a fella many years
ago who was having some monogamy challenges. He you know,
had several affairs, and we started talking about the men
in his family and how this was a part of
their culture and how he was almost pushed in some ways,
(07:50):
like you know, to chase women to be in multiple relationships,
and how if he wanted to be in one relationship,
it would require that that he been some of those
rules around that cultural identity, and that was, you know,
really tough. It's really tough to grieve being a part
of this masculine group if that's what's involved, even if
(08:13):
it's damaging it's like, but so I can't be with
them if I'm going to be with you, and so
I have to make this choice maybe to still be
a part of the culture. What happens with alcohol is
it's all around us in social settings. It is, you know,
it's a part of the fabric. When you go out,
(08:36):
when there's a celebration, there's champagne, when there is this,
there's beer, when there's that, there's shots. And so stepping
away from that lifestyle when you have a problem with
drinking can be challenging, and to do it without treatment,
I think is an even bigger challenge because there are
(08:57):
some some things outside of just the drinking that need
to be remedied. You know, there are some thinking things
that are happening, there are some behavioral things that are happening,
and let's face it, there are a lot of behavioral cues.
You know, when we're watching someone with a substance issue,
(09:17):
we may not be thinking about all of these things
that may trigger them. I was talking to someone who
was visiting my home in their smoker. I don't allow
smoking in my home, and you know, I offered them coffee.
They have coffee, and they just had a moment to pause,
and I said, oh, what's going on. Usually when I
have my coffee, I have a cigarette. You know, that's
(09:40):
not something that I have to think about, right, Like
I don't smoke cigarettes, and so I'm not thinking about
all of these cues. The cues could be the time,
The ques could be sports, the cues could be certain friends,
the cues could be you know when you feel a
certain thing. Those things are all around. So again the
hay just cut back. It is multifaceted, and so the
(10:03):
remedy is not just cutting back, but also getting to
the core, also identifying some of those cultural challenges, also
working through how to manage your feelings without alcohol. You know,
when you get to the point of drinking from evening
to five or six in the morning, you may need
(10:26):
more support than you think. And I know some of it.
Oh I could just quit if I want to, you
would have. You would have, And so doing it without
support sometimes for people who have challenges with drinking, it's
not going to be easy. I didn't say it was impossible.
(10:49):
I'm saying it won't be easy because there are so
many dynamics around you that are encouraging some of this
drinking lifestyle. As we're talking today, I am just looking
at my book, which I think is a wonderful book.
If you are in a relationship with a family member
who has an addiction of any sort, it is the
(11:10):
Complete Family Guide to Addiction. I think this book is
really good because it really talks about what is addiction,
what causes it, how do we help our loved ones
with it, how do we better understand how to be helpful?
And sometimes what we're doing, you know, maybe modeling not
(11:30):
drinking or saying hey, look at me, just cut back,
it's not as helpful as we may think, and so
they may need some support outside of us, and we'll
talk more about, you know, some of the supports that
are possible. Let's keep listening.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I honestly told him, why not cut back? Two fridays
a month. I have tried to sit outside and hang
out with him, just to see if he'd cut the
night short. But he has admitted that he doesn't know
when to stop. Once he feels buzzed. I feel like
I sound like a broken record. He makes me feel
like I'm asking for too much. It also drives me
crazy because it's like I have to turn off my
(12:09):
give a shit switch, and once that happens, I start
doing my own thing. Mind you, my children are always
with me, because God forbid, he takes care of his kids.
Oh but once he sees I'm not home all the time,
it becomes an issue and accuses me of never being home.
My response to this is, why do you want me
at home just sitting around doing nothing? Well, you get
(12:31):
drunk outside now. I do movie nights with the kids,
and he sat with us twice. I don't want to
sit outside and get drunk all the time. It's crazy
that's the only way he'll spend time with me. Some
women have told me, well, he's a good man, he
works hard, and at least he's at home. But I'm
tired of feeling this way. I just cannot convince myself
(12:54):
long enough to be okay with it. I've thought about
talking to his mother, but I feel like she enables
him because she talks to him on the phone until
three am. I feel like she should tell him to
go to bed and call it a night. I've brought
up his health. She doesn't drink all week, but I
tell him, what you don't drink during the week, you
may get up on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So I hear that he's trying to practice some boundaries
around this. So what he's now doing is a bit
of bench drinking, which can still, like you said, it's
still problematic because although you're you know, you're cutting it
off for these days, you're getting back to it during
a certain time period. I once read something that beinge
(13:36):
drinking can be a little more challenging and dangerous for
people sometimes because that's when you know, you start to
experience more blackouts and you know, just drinking related accidents
and this sort of thing because you've been like trying
to manage it and then you like full throttle, right.
So I know when a person has a drinking challenge
(13:58):
that that is one way to you know, maybe be
able to show themselves like, look, I have control over
this Monday through Thursday, I'm not doing it. But then Friday, Saturday,
Sunday there's a lot of drinking activities. So you know,
in some ways that could be just as problematic as
a person doing it all week. And as impactful. As
(14:18):
we talk about this, I wonder, you know, not just
about you, but also your children.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
There is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Significant information on what children in families who have you know,
a parent with a drinking problem, what they experience as
a result of witnessing this. You know, there is some
portion of addiction being hereditary or you know, something that
(14:47):
is mimicked in families and becomes a cycle in our family.
You know, a part of that is the observation of it.
We are learning, you know, just as it is culturally.
We are learning learning how to manage our problems. We
are learning how to exist. We are learning what we
do when we sit in the garage, we are learning
(15:10):
what we may go to when we're having a difficult moment.
So there's a lot of you know, absorption going on.
And also I would be concerned about how does this
impact your ability to parent if this is at the
forefront of your mind, if your concern is not just
keeping your kids safe, but also making sure they're not
(15:31):
exposed to this, like that is a lot happening for you.
And with that, I want to say, you know, when
someone has a drinking problem, it is said that addiction
is a family disease. What does that mean every single person,
whether they are responding to it or not, whether they
have some outward show a feeling, they have some experience
(15:57):
with the drinking person have some impact from the drinking
in that home. So it is your partner, it is
your two children, and it is you, probably other family
members and friends. Everyone is impacted. So for you, you know,
I think it would be helpful to maybe look into
(16:19):
a support group. You know, a really popular one is
alan On. They have resources online. You know, they have
some podcasts that are really helpful. There are you know, workbooks.
Some other resources that might be helpful for you is
the Recovery Dharma and then Smart Recovery. These are programs
(16:39):
that are for people who are trying to troubleshoot some
of their drinking and addiction issues. But they also have
resources for family members. It's really important to not just
place your partner as the problem, like he is the
only problem person in this house. Well, you have a
problem with his problem, for you are problemed. The children
(17:01):
have a problem with his problem, Therefore they are a problem.
Like everybody is being impacted by this problem, Therefore everyone
involved may need some recovery. We're gonna go to break
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I also hear him always talk with his friends that
say things like my girl doesn't tell me not to
drink makes me feel like an idiot, or will say
your girl doesn't let you do anything like pumping his chest.
When I bring this to his attention, he says, oh,
it's because they want to make fun of me. Or
he talks to me about his friends that don't hang
(17:41):
out because the wife won't let him. I tell him, well,
maybe he would just rather be present with his wife.
There's nothing wrong with that. He'll just dismiss me and
say it's because he allows her to tell him what
to do. This type of talk disgusts me and makes
me hate men.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm hearing some cultural challenges here, and it may be
a part of your culture to have some of these
common issues with your friends, with your mom, with his mom,
where there is normalizing around some pretty unhealthy behavior. So yeah,
someone else's girlfriend may say, oh, yeah, I don't have
a problem with your drinking. I don't know what she's
(18:20):
talking about. She may be, you know, so ingrained in
that culture of this is how it should be. That
maybe it's not a problem for her, it's a problem
for you, and that's okay. You know, we are our
own independent culture. In my culture, this is not okay,
And I'm a part of the Mexican culture as well,
and that is okay behavior. But for me personally, within
(18:40):
my own being, this is something that I don't want
to be a part of my family fabric. Right. So
I understand that we operate in this greater culture of something,
but in our household there is a culture within us,
there is a culture. So what is my independent culture?
What is my family culture? What is my ethnicity? You know,
(19:03):
like there are different cultures that we're operating in, and
so yeah, from your ethnic culture, it sounds like, you know,
some of this, unfortunately is normalized, and I think in
many cultures there are some things that are not good
for us mentally and physically that might be normalized, but
they're still not good things. And so talking to those
(19:26):
people who are like, yeah, this is how it is,
it's like, that's not very helpful. It needs to change,
it needs to be different. You know, we do not
need to exist in a pattern of this person doesn't
have to be present because they're engaged in this behavior.
It sounds like you're wanting something different for your family
(19:47):
that maybe these other people don't want. And that's okay.
It doesn't mean that you need to go on a
crusade of convincing everybody in your culture to shift. Right now,
we just need to shift you. We need to shift
your household, not everyone else. And so you know, part
of this is really reconciling that this might be okay
(20:07):
for some of the people in your culture and it
not be okay for you. The line that really stuck
out with me here is this type of talk discussed
me and makes me hate men, all of them. Oh,
you know, not all men think alike. Not all men
(20:29):
think alike. And that's something we have to remember, even
if it's ten that we know there is one person
who works at the grocery store near us who is
so nice and kind and not like these other men.
You know, it's the all men part. It's like using
this situation and maybe some others to say all that
(20:49):
can be really challenging. And I want you to watch
that because becoming disgusted with a group of people because
of what you see, as you know, maybe typical behavior
amongung some doesn't mean that it's typical among all. Let's
keep listening.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, he is home all week with us, but
it's like he's not there. I work from home, so
I have to deal with everything that has to do
with my children. I cook dinner, feed them, clean up,
and take care of shower and bedtime. His representation of
being present is getting home, showering, eating dinner, and sitting
(21:26):
on the couch scrolling on TikTok. I hear his mother
tell me about his daily routines when he lived with her,
and it's the same, come home, shower, eat and hit
the couch. Come the weekend heath party. I said, yeah,
that sounds like my routine when I was single too.
But now I'm a mother in a relationship, so that's
not what my schedule is anymore. I've tried to sit
(21:49):
and think, why does it bother me? Why can't I
just accept it? What should I do? I'm honestly to
the point that i just want to call it quits
because I'm tired of always having the same conversation. Maybe
I am too hard on him and he doesn't deserve this.
Maybe I will never understand and accept this and should
(22:09):
stop making myself unhappy. I think I just want someone
to evolve with me. I hope you can help me.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
This line. But now I'm a mother in a relationship,
so that's not what my schedule is anymore. That was
a choice, That was your choice for motherhood, because there
are some mothers who don't change their schedule for motherhood.
There are some fathers who do not change their schedule
for motherhood. So it sounds like you made a choice
(22:41):
to be a different version of yourself because you were
stepping into an intentional role of being a mother, and
perhaps your partner is not in that same place. One
of the most challenging times in a couple's relationship is
when they introduce cho into the relationship. One of the
(23:03):
big arguments they always have is, you're not doing less
like me. I've made this sacrifice. You didn't make that sacrifice.
This is what a father should do, This is what
a mother should do. That conversation around what these roles
mean is a common one, and many of us, you know, decide, hey,
(23:23):
you are a great boyfriend, but you're not the dad
that I thought you'd be. And you know, what do
we base that on? Right? You know, before I had
kids with my husband, I couldn't say what kind of
dad he was. I mean, he liked my dog, right,
So it's kind of like, I guess you'll be nice
to kids like he is the dog. But that's you know,
that's not a measure, you know, don't We don't know
(23:44):
what we're getting into with a person. It's like, you know,
what is what is the measure of that? Now, maybe
if they have other kids and we have some example
of oh, well, you know, that's how he treats his daughter.
But when we're walking into this, we really don't know.
And to be quite honest, we don't even do everything
that we think we would do. And so this expectation
(24:05):
that when you become this parent, you become this maturer person.
Not all of us. We were the same person as
we were last year this time, but now we just
have a baby. You know, nothing has shifted, nothing has changed.
Maybe we're not drinking less, maybe we're not partying less.
Maybe we're doing it a bit more because you know,
(24:26):
maybe we have more stressors. Who knows, but you know,
this whole idea that there should be this rapid shift
or shift at all, it's an expectation that many of
us have that goes unfulfilled because it's not the other
person's desire for themselves. I would wonder, what does your partner,
(24:48):
if you were to ask him, tell me about your
role as a father. What is a father? How do
you see your role as a parent to our children?
It might be very different than what you think. It
sounds like you think a mother is responsible. They cook,
they clean, they feed, they take care of their children,
(25:09):
They do shower, they do bedtime. His you know, without
asking him. It sounds like I'm present. It doesn't matter
how I look when I'm present. It doesn't matter if
I'm sober when I'm present. It doesn't matter if I'm
present in the garage, on the couch, on TikTok. I
am here. And that might be enough for him, But
(25:30):
is it enough for you? You need to hear this.
Sometimes we think we're being too hard on people, and
sometimes we're actually not being hard enough. Expectations are a
part of a relationship. Now, what we shouldn't do is
(25:50):
nag people. We shouldn't try to make them, you know,
honor our agenda. We shouldn't drag them. We shouldn't you know,
pull them to our side all the time. Because they
are autonomous beings and they have some choice, and sometimes,
unfortunately in relationships, people's choices do not align with the
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life that we want to have. It doesn't align with
our lifestyle. But the part that we can control is
what we do with that. How do I show up
in this relationship? Do I want to be in this relationship?
Is this something that has the potential to change? Those
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are the questions that we need to ask when we
are stuck on a person's behavior. You need to hear
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Hi, listeners, welcome back. I'm Nadra Glover to wib and
you need to hear this. When I was in grad school,
I remember many exercises around what population would you have
the most biased toward, which population would be hard to
work with, what sort of things might come up, which
(00:23):
I think was a really great exercise in helping you
to challenge your beliefs about a particular group of people
or a particular type of person. One of the things
that typically came up for me was, oh, my gosh,
people who harm children. I could never work with them.
(00:45):
And I will say that one of my early jobs
was in fact doing that. And what I learned was
a lot about people. I learned that despite you know,
what people do, they have a story and it does
not condone who they harm or what they do, but
(01:08):
there is a story behind who people become or what
they choose to do. The other thing that I was
challenged by is working with folks who have addictions. You know,
in my family there were several family members with addictions,
and I just thought, I am tired of this life.
This is something that you know, I wasn't ready to address.
(01:32):
And again I was put into you know, a role
where I had to work with folks who had addictions,
and again I learned, Wow, these people have a story.
And one of the biggest things that I learned with
addiction is it's not typically a chosen path for people.
(01:57):
It is a way of cold that has gotten out
of hand. It is a condition of you know, tragedy
and trying to manage it is sometimes partying gone too far.
It is a way to mask pain. I mean, it's
so many things outside of this person just wants to
(02:21):
be drunk, or this person just wants to use this drug.
In today's letter, and we will hear from someone who
is challenged by their partner's alcohol use. I don't want
to say abuse. I don't want to say addiction. I
don't want to say misuse. We will unpack that as
(02:42):
we go on. Speaking of those terms, I think over
the years, those terms have really shifted. I remember in
childhood it was for me, you know, it's alcoholic, this
person is an alcoholic or a drunk, right, and then
it's shifted to subs's abuse issue now substance misuse issue.
(03:02):
Much of that has to do with how we see people.
If we see a person as only an alcoholic. We
are dehumanizing them if we consider their whole story, we
might say, you know, they're misusing alcohol, or maybe there
are some dependency issues there. Now, socially, we are not
(03:24):
supposed to be diagnosing people, right, so when we have
a loved one who has a challenge with alcohol, we're
still not getting the whole picture. Even if we see them,
you know, drinking a case of beer or having two
pints of whatever. We don't know what they're doing secretly
because there could be some secret behaviors happening. So we
(03:48):
don't know often how severe someone's substance abuse issue is.
And our information of just stop it, don't do it anymore,
just put it to the side, it's not very useful
in the case of a person having a problem because
we're giving them a remedy that we may be able
(04:10):
to manage. Right Like, if you don't have a drinking problem,
you had some issue where you just had to stop drinking,
you could do it. But when someone has an issue
with the substance, that is not as easy. So let's
get into today's call and we will go through this
and take some breaks and digest some of this as
(04:31):
we talk today. So let's get started. Hello.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
One big issue in life I'm facing now is with
my significant other, and I hope you can give me
some advice on how to deal with this issue. So
we're not legally married, but we have been together for
twelve years now and have two children. So my issue
is that I've always had an issue with his drinking.
When we first got together, we obviously did not have children,
(04:58):
so we both did a lot of partying together, so
I saw no problem, of course, But once I became
pregnant and had my son, I did bring it to
his attention that he just drank too much and all
night and he should cut back. He ignored me to
get some background. We are Mexicans, so there's a big
machismo that men get to drink all night. It's like
(05:20):
they wear it as a badge of honor. He's always
had this belief that I was trying to control him.
Fast forwards twelve years later, and I feel things have
gotten worse. He stopped going out to drink somewhat, but
every Friday and sometimes Saturdays, he drinks at home in
the garage until five or six in the morning. I
brought it up and he said, I stop going out.
(05:42):
I'm at home. What's the big deal? He sees no
issue at all. More recently, I had an event and
he was supposed to stay with the kids. I woke
up at six thirty am to head out and he
was still up drinking. The kids did not want to
stay with him, so I had to take them with me.
When I bring up the issue, he says, Okay, then
you can't go out anywhere. I don't agree with this
(06:04):
because when I go out with my friends or family,
it's only like once a month, and I have a
couple of drinks. Socially, I head home early, like ten pm,
and if I have my children, I don't drink at all.
So that's like eighty percent of the time.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
What happens when we change and the other person doesn't
in relationships, you know, I think about friendships sometimes, like
you know, in my twenties, I had a partying phase
and some people stayed in that space longer than I
was willing to. And you know what happens to those friendships,
It's like you you grow apart. You you know, maybe
(06:46):
you see them in a different way. What happens when
we you know, maybe used to drink a lot and
or drink more socially, and you know, we don't have
a desire for that thing. In some relationships, you know,
it's something we can ship right when it's our partner
and we see that they're having some problem drinking and
(07:06):
it is a part of their cultural identity. Like in
our culture, this is what men do. Just as you
stated that he believes that as well. Who is he
without this? Who is he within his culture? If this
is a part of his identity, This is you know,
learned behavior. In some ways, this is how a man acts.
(07:29):
I remember I was talking to a fella many years
ago who was having some monogamy challenges. He you know,
had several affairs, and we started talking about the men
in his family and how this was a part of
their culture and how he was almost pushed in some ways,
(07:50):
like you know, to chase women to be in multiple relationships,
and how if he wanted to be in one relationship,
it would require that that he been some of those
rules around that cultural identity, and that was, you know,
really tough. It's really tough to grieve being a part
of this masculine group if that's what's involved, even if
(08:13):
it's damaging it's like, but so I can't be with
them if I'm going to be with you, and so
I have to make this choice maybe to still be
a part of the culture. What happens with alcohol is
it's all around us in social settings. It is, you know,
it's a part of the fabric. When you go out,
(08:36):
when there's a celebration, there's champagne, when there is this,
there's beer, when there's that, there's shots. And so stepping
away from that lifestyle when you have a problem with
drinking can be challenging, and to do it without treatment,
I think is an even bigger challenge because there are
(08:57):
some some things outside of just the drinking that need
to be remedied. You know, there are some thinking things
that are happening, there are some behavioral things that are happening,
and let's face it, there are a lot of behavioral cues.
You know, when we're watching someone with a substance issue,
(09:17):
we may not be thinking about all of these things
that may trigger them. I was talking to someone who
was visiting my home in their smoker. I don't allow
smoking in my home, and you know, I offered them coffee.
They have coffee, and they just had a moment to pause,
and I said, oh, what's going on. Usually when I
have my coffee, I have a cigarette. You know, that's
(09:40):
not something that I have to think about, right, Like
I don't smoke cigarettes, and so I'm not thinking about
all of these cues. The cues could be the time,
The ques could be sports, the cues could be certain friends,
the cues could be you know when you feel a
certain thing. Those things are all around. So again the
hay just cut back. It is multifaceted, and so the
(10:03):
remedy is not just cutting back, but also getting to
the core, also identifying some of those cultural challenges, also
working through how to manage your feelings without alcohol. You know,
when you get to the point of drinking from evening
to five or six in the morning, you may need
(10:26):
more support than you think. And I know some of it.
Oh I could just quit if I want to, you
would have. You would have, And so doing it without
support sometimes for people who have challenges with drinking, it's
not going to be easy. I didn't say it was impossible.
(10:49):
I'm saying it won't be easy because there are so
many dynamics around you that are encouraging some of this
drinking lifestyle. As we're talking today, I am just looking
at my book, which I think is a wonderful book.
If you are in a relationship with a family member
who has an addiction of any sort, it is the
(11:10):
Complete Family Guide to Addiction. I think this book is
really good because it really talks about what is addiction,
what causes it, how do we help our loved ones
with it, how do we better understand how to be helpful?
And sometimes what we're doing, you know, maybe modeling not
(11:30):
drinking or saying hey, look at me, just cut back,
it's not as helpful as we may think, and so
they may need some support outside of us, and we'll
talk more about, you know, some of the supports that
are possible. Let's keep listening.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
I honestly told him, why not cut back? Two fridays
a month. I have tried to sit outside and hang
out with him, just to see if he'd cut the
night short. But he has admitted that he doesn't know
when to stop. Once he feels buzzed. I feel like
I sound like a broken record. He makes me feel
like I'm asking for too much. It also drives me
crazy because it's like I have to turn off my
(12:09):
give a shit switch, and once that happens, I start
doing my own thing. Mind you, my children are always
with me, because God forbid, he takes care of his kids.
Oh but once he sees I'm not home all the time,
it becomes an issue and accuses me of never being home.
My response to this is, why do you want me
at home just sitting around doing nothing? Well, you get
(12:31):
drunk outside now. I do movie nights with the kids,
and he sat with us twice. I don't want to
sit outside and get drunk all the time. It's crazy
that's the only way he'll spend time with me. Some
women have told me, well, he's a good man, he
works hard, and at least he's at home. But I'm
tired of feeling this way. I just cannot convince myself
(12:54):
long enough to be okay with it. I've thought about
talking to his mother, but I feel like she enables
him because she talks to him on the phone until
three am. I feel like she should tell him to
go to bed and call it a night. I've brought
up his health. She doesn't drink all week, but I
tell him, what you don't drink during the week, you
may get up on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So I hear that he's trying to practice some boundaries
around this. So what he's now doing is a bit
of bench drinking, which can still, like you said, it's
still problematic because although you're you know, you're cutting it
off for these days, you're getting back to it during
a certain time period. I once read something that beinge
(13:36):
drinking can be a little more challenging and dangerous for
people sometimes because that's when you know, you start to
experience more blackouts and you know, just drinking related accidents
and this sort of thing because you've been like trying
to manage it and then you like full throttle, right.
So I know when a person has a drinking challenge
(13:58):
that that is one way to you know, maybe be
able to show themselves like, look, I have control over
this Monday through Thursday, I'm not doing it. But then Friday, Saturday,
Sunday there's a lot of drinking activities. So you know,
in some ways that could be just as problematic as
a person doing it all week. And as impactful. As
(14:18):
we talk about this, I wonder, you know, not just
about you, but also your children.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
There is.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
Significant information on what children in families who have you know,
a parent with a drinking problem, what they experience as
a result of witnessing this. You know, there is some
portion of addiction being hereditary or you know, something that
(14:47):
is mimicked in families and becomes a cycle in our family.
You know, a part of that is the observation of it.
We are learning, you know, just as it is culturally.
We are learning learning how to manage our problems. We
are learning how to exist. We are learning what we
do when we sit in the garage, we are learning
(15:10):
what we may go to when we're having a difficult moment.
So there's a lot of you know, absorption going on.
And also I would be concerned about how does this
impact your ability to parent if this is at the
forefront of your mind, if your concern is not just
keeping your kids safe, but also making sure they're not
(15:31):
exposed to this, like that is a lot happening for you.
And with that, I want to say, you know, when
someone has a drinking problem, it is said that addiction
is a family disease. What does that mean every single person,
whether they are responding to it or not, whether they
have some outward show a feeling, they have some experience
(15:57):
with the drinking person have some impact from the drinking
in that home. So it is your partner, it is
your two children, and it is you, probably other family
members and friends. Everyone is impacted. So for you, you know,
I think it would be helpful to maybe look into
(16:19):
a support group. You know, a really popular one is
alan On. They have resources online. You know, they have
some podcasts that are really helpful. There are you know, workbooks.
Some other resources that might be helpful for you is
the Recovery Dharma and then Smart Recovery. These are programs
(16:39):
that are for people who are trying to troubleshoot some
of their drinking and addiction issues. But they also have
resources for family members. It's really important to not just
place your partner as the problem, like he is the
only problem person in this house. Well, you have a
problem with his problem, for you are problemed. The children
(17:01):
have a problem with his problem, Therefore they are a problem.
Like everybody is being impacted by this problem, Therefore everyone
involved may need some recovery. We're gonna go to break
and we'll be right back.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I also hear him always talk with his friends that
say things like my girl doesn't tell me not to
drink makes me feel like an idiot, or will say
your girl doesn't let you do anything like pumping his chest.
When I bring this to his attention, he says, oh,
it's because they want to make fun of me. Or
he talks to me about his friends that don't hang
(17:41):
out because the wife won't let him. I tell him, well,
maybe he would just rather be present with his wife.
There's nothing wrong with that. He'll just dismiss me and
say it's because he allows her to tell him what
to do. This type of talk disgusts me and makes
me hate men.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm hearing some cultural challenges here, and it may be
a part of your culture to have some of these
common issues with your friends, with your mom, with his mom,
where there is normalizing around some pretty unhealthy behavior. So yeah,
someone else's girlfriend may say, oh, yeah, I don't have
a problem with your drinking. I don't know what she's
(18:20):
talking about. She may be, you know, so ingrained in
that culture of this is how it should be. That
maybe it's not a problem for her, it's a problem
for you, and that's okay. You know, we are our
own independent culture. In my culture, this is not okay,
And I'm a part of the Mexican culture as well,
and that is okay behavior. But for me personally, within
(18:40):
my own being, this is something that I don't want
to be a part of my family fabric. Right. So
I understand that we operate in this greater culture of something,
but in our household there is a culture within us,
there is a culture. So what is my independent culture?
What is my family culture? What is my ethnicity? You know,
(19:03):
like there are different cultures that we're operating in, and
so yeah, from your ethnic culture, it sounds like, you know,
some of this, unfortunately is normalized, and I think in
many cultures there are some things that are not good
for us mentally and physically that might be normalized, but
they're still not good things. And so talking to those
(19:26):
people who are like, yeah, this is how it is,
it's like, that's not very helpful. It needs to change,
it needs to be different. You know, we do not
need to exist in a pattern of this person doesn't
have to be present because they're engaged in this behavior.
It sounds like you're wanting something different for your family
(19:47):
that maybe these other people don't want. And that's okay.
It doesn't mean that you need to go on a
crusade of convincing everybody in your culture to shift. Right now,
we just need to shift you. We need to shift
your household, not everyone else. And so you know, part
of this is really reconciling that this might be okay
(20:07):
for some of the people in your culture and it
not be okay for you. The line that really stuck
out with me here is this type of talk discussed
me and makes me hate men, all of them. Oh,
you know, not all men think alike. Not all men
(20:29):
think alike. And that's something we have to remember, even
if it's ten that we know there is one person
who works at the grocery store near us who is
so nice and kind and not like these other men.
You know, it's the all men part. It's like using
this situation and maybe some others to say all that
(20:49):
can be really challenging. And I want you to watch
that because becoming disgusted with a group of people because
of what you see, as you know, maybe typical behavior
amongung some doesn't mean that it's typical among all. Let's
keep listening.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
You know, he is home all week with us, but
it's like he's not there. I work from home, so
I have to deal with everything that has to do
with my children. I cook dinner, feed them, clean up,
and take care of shower and bedtime. His representation of
being present is getting home, showering, eating dinner, and sitting
(21:26):
on the couch scrolling on TikTok. I hear his mother
tell me about his daily routines when he lived with her,
and it's the same, come home, shower, eat and hit
the couch. Come the weekend heath party. I said, yeah,
that sounds like my routine when I was single too.
But now I'm a mother in a relationship, so that's
not what my schedule is anymore. I've tried to sit
(21:49):
and think, why does it bother me? Why can't I
just accept it? What should I do? I'm honestly to
the point that i just want to call it quits
because I'm tired of always having the same conversation. Maybe
I am too hard on him and he doesn't deserve this.
Maybe I will never understand and accept this and should
(22:09):
stop making myself unhappy. I think I just want someone
to evolve with me. I hope you can help me.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
This line. But now I'm a mother in a relationship,
so that's not what my schedule is anymore. That was
a choice, That was your choice for motherhood, because there
are some mothers who don't change their schedule for motherhood.
There are some fathers who do not change their schedule
for motherhood. So it sounds like you made a choice
(22:41):
to be a different version of yourself because you were
stepping into an intentional role of being a mother, and
perhaps your partner is not in that same place. One
of the most challenging times in a couple's relationship is
when they introduce cho into the relationship. One of the
(23:03):
big arguments they always have is, you're not doing less
like me. I've made this sacrifice. You didn't make that sacrifice.
This is what a father should do, This is what
a mother should do. That conversation around what these roles
mean is a common one, and many of us, you know, decide, hey,
(23:23):
you are a great boyfriend, but you're not the dad
that I thought you'd be. And you know, what do
we base that on? Right? You know, before I had
kids with my husband, I couldn't say what kind of
dad he was. I mean, he liked my dog, right,
So it's kind of like, I guess you'll be nice
to kids like he is the dog. But that's you know,
that's not a measure, you know, don't We don't know
(23:44):
what we're getting into with a person. It's like, you know,
what is what is the measure of that? Now, maybe
if they have other kids and we have some example
of oh, well, you know, that's how he treats his daughter.
But when we're walking into this, we really don't know.
And to be quite honest, we don't even do everything
that we think we would do. And so this expectation
(24:05):
that when you become this parent, you become this maturer person.
Not all of us. We were the same person as
we were last year this time, but now we just
have a baby. You know, nothing has shifted, nothing has changed.
Maybe we're not drinking less, maybe we're not partying less.
Maybe we're doing it a bit more because you know,
(24:26):
maybe we have more stressors. Who knows, but you know,
this whole idea that there should be this rapid shift
or shift at all, it's an expectation that many of
us have that goes unfulfilled because it's not the other
person's desire for themselves. I would wonder, what does your partner,
(24:48):
if you were to ask him, tell me about your
role as a father. What is a father? How do
you see your role as a parent to our children?
It might be very different than what you think. It
sounds like you think a mother is responsible. They cook,
they clean, they feed, they take care of their children,
(25:09):
They do shower, they do bedtime. His you know, without
asking him. It sounds like I'm present. It doesn't matter
how I look when I'm present. It doesn't matter if
I'm sober when I'm present. It doesn't matter if I'm
present in the garage, on the couch, on TikTok. I
am here. And that might be enough for him, But
(25:30):
is it enough for you? You need to hear this.
Sometimes we think we're being too hard on people, and
sometimes we're actually not being hard enough. Expectations are a
part of a relationship. Now, what we shouldn't do is
(25:50):
nag people. We shouldn't try to make them, you know,
honor our agenda. We shouldn't drag them. We shouldn't you know,
pull them to our side all the time. Because they
are autonomous beings and they have some choice, and sometimes,
unfortunately in relationships, people's choices do not align with the
(26:14):
life that we want to have. It doesn't align with
our lifestyle. But the part that we can control is
what we do with that. How do I show up
in this relationship? Do I want to be in this relationship?
Is this something that has the potential to change? Those
(26:34):
are the questions that we need to ask when we
are stuck on a person's behavior. You need to hear
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