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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, I'm Michael. I'd love to have you listen to
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well two three, starting your morning off right, A new
way of talk, a new way of understanding because we're
in this together. This is your morning Show with Michael.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Del Jornan Jamie.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
Allmen, this is Jamie from Saint Louis. I just wanted
to say how awesome it is to hear you in
the morning again, and from my family to yours.

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Happy New Year, Well, a blessed happy new Year to
you too, Jamie. I appreciate you chiming in here, and
I'm really super honored to be tapped to fill in
for Michael del Jorno. He's a great guy and I
appreciate him relying on me to fill in while he
is enjoying a little time off.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
And this is your morning show.

Speaker 5 (01:07):
I'm Jamie Ollman and really happy to be with you
on this beautiful New Year's Eve. And Jamie, thank you
for calling in and letting me know that.

Speaker 3 (01:17):
You're happy to hear me.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
I'm really happy to hear you as well, So Jeff
and read listen. So I was asking Jeff off the air, like,
do you guys you know sometime to talk about just
the towns whenever where Michael's in. And I'm mildly obsessed
with Nashville. I love the town and I happen to

(01:39):
have a pet project that I'm working on that gets
me there on occasion and has nothing to do with
radio and everything to do with Rachel Jackson, who is
Andrew Jackson's wife, who quite possibly, in my opinion, and

(02:01):
I will lay this out in my project, quite possibly
could have absolutely been the first woman president of the
United States.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
Really.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
Oh, and people don't even realize the strength of this woman.
And by the way, Nashville was founded by her family,
and Rachel Jackson, by the way, died on December twenty
second in eighteen twenty eight. And Andrew Jackson went to

(02:34):
Washington never forgetting it and what they did to her.
And I don't know do people still talk about do
people talk about her at all down there and beautiful Nashville.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Probably not as much.

Speaker 4 (02:48):
In red would probably be a better answer for this,
but probably not as much as they do about Andrew
Jackson and the Hermitage being one of the staple tourist
attractions here in town.

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Oh yeah, yeah, I love the Hermitage and loved being there.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
Went down then to do some research for the project
on Rachel And what's so fascinating about the story, especially
as it relates to even Donald Trump, Because President Trump,
even though we might be from a different party, is
a lot like Andrew Jackson in a lot of ways
historically also, and so Rachel Jackson died in December of

(03:34):
the December twenty second of eighteen twenty eight, and she
was buried in her inauguration gown.

Speaker 3 (03:42):
And she died.

Speaker 5 (03:45):
After a grueling second campaign that Andrew Jackson wages to
become president eighteen twenty four. Well, I don't want to
get into the whole stolen election thing, right, No, that,
but that election basically was stolen from him in eighteen
twenty four by John Quincy Adams and Henry Clay. And

(04:07):
Henry Clay was the House Speaker, and you know, it
was a popular vote thing. It went to the House.
Henry Clay manufactured this victory for John Quincy Adams and
then became Secretary of State go figure for John Quincy Adams,
and so that was kind of like the Adamses were

(04:30):
kind of like the Bushes, you know, they're like the
kind of like the mainstream establishment types. And so Jackson
never forgave them for that and then ran again and
came back. But during that particular campaign, Rachel Jackson was

(04:52):
the first ever wife of a candidate smeared personally in
a political campaign. So they accused her of adultery because
her first husband when they got a divorce.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
You know, back in those days.

Speaker 5 (05:12):
The woman didn't have It was kind of like you know,
the Taliban is now apparently because I don't know whether
you heard the news about how the Taliban says that
women cannot speak or make any noises whatever, and shall
not even stand in front of windows. Anyway, back in
those days, you know, women could not only not vote,

(05:32):
but also there was never a woman involved in the
court process. So her former husband just to kind of
trick or did whatever, did the divorce but really never
filed the formal divorce papers, probably in anticipation of maybe
her future with somebody else.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
At that time.

Speaker 5 (05:52):
Andrew Jackson was a general and a really good one,
by the way, and so he never really fully filed
divorce papers, and so she technically was still married when
she married Andrew Jackson, as at least according to those folks,
and so they smeared her as an adulteress. And this

(06:15):
is this is.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
A woman, a very strong woman.

Speaker 5 (06:22):
She smoked a silver pipe, by the way, and actually
was very familiar with many of the people who wound
up screwing Andrew Jackson because her father, who later was
killed by Indians outside of Nashville.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
They founded Nashville.

Speaker 5 (06:41):
Nashville was founded by Rachel Jackson's Donaldson's they founded Nashville.
But anyway, her father was up in DC, and so
she was up there.

Speaker 3 (06:53):
As a little girl.

Speaker 5 (06:54):
So she was familiar with them in Rose and all
those people. But they always thought of her as some
kind of redneck or something. They always thought of her
as unwashed. And keep in mind Andrew Jackson when he
won the presidency, he was the first person outside of
the Eastern Seaboard to become president of the United States.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
So it is a really dramatic event.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
But during that time it was so stressful because she
was running the hermitage and everything else. And they even
adopted a young Creek Indian boy who was later blocked
from getting a commissioned to West Point by Adams's administration,
which was awful. Later he died just as a young

(07:39):
saddle maker in Nashville. But anyway, Jackson was so angry
about what they did to him and to her when
she died basically of the heartbreak.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
I don't know, that's kind of not a medical term.

Speaker 5 (07:52):
But she died in December, a month before he was inaugurated.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
After this strong, long fight.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
So to Rachel Jackson, I gotta tell you, he went
up to DC. If you look on the back of
your twenty dollars bill, you'll see two Magnoia trees on
each side of the White House and those were planted
by Andrew Jackson from seedlings from the hermitage. So you'll

(08:25):
see that if you have a twenty left after this administration.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
But if you look at.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
It, it's fact finding there you go, yeah, and you
look at those two magnolia trees. The last one died
in twenty seventeen, but that's how long they were there.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
But those two Magnoia trees are four.

Speaker 5 (08:43):
Rachel Jackson Andrew Jackson went up there and just wiped
everybody out in the spoil system. But those two Magnoia
trees on the back of your twenty dollars bill are
courtesy of the seedlings from the beautiful hermitage that is just.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
Full of gorgeous Magnoia trees. So there you go. That
is an interesting story. I'd never heard.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's your Morning show with Michael Del Johno.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
This is your.

Speaker 5 (09:12):
Morning show with Michael Del Giorno. Jamie Allman really happy
with you and Jeff. I guarantee you there's no other
place on Earth people are listening to Leon Russell at
in the morning nowhere, No no, I mean unless they're
unless they're willfully turning on their CD player or their

(09:35):
record player or whatever.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
But it's nobody listen. Thank you for that. I really
do appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
And I know we're not the Hallmark Channel, but I
just want to say one more thing about Rachel Jackson
if I can. If you, if you look at the
love letters that she and Andrew wrote to each other,
you would be astounded. They were absolutely beautiful and they
were absolute, literally in love and devoted to each other.

(10:03):
It's a beautiful thing because a lot of people always say, oh,
old Hickory and Andrew Jackson killing Indians and blah blah blah.
But the reality is he was an amazing romantic and
she was a beautiful, gifted writer, a little more educated
than he was in that sense, and she was absolutely
just an amazing person. And their relationship is one for

(10:28):
the ages, and people don't know that. People don't know
much about the love letters between these two. While he
was a general away from home all the time, the
only time she actually went with him was when Monroe
sent him to Florida where he was the governor of
the territory down there, and they sent him down there
to run the seminoles out of there. And she even

(10:49):
was so poetic she wrote something about Pensacola in that
area and called it the Perfect Plane. There's actually a
brewery down there called the Perfect Plain Brewery in Pensacola,
if you ever get down there, it's because well it's
named after Rachel Jackson's beautiful words. So that's it. That's
the end of the end of that story. I just

(11:10):
want to let you know. So if you're thinking about it,
think about it all right. I'm really happy about this,
and I think it's it's not because I'm getting old
or I'm not getting squishy or wishy washy or whatever else.
But when President Trump came out and expressed his support
for Mike Johnson, I was really happy. So I was

(11:32):
back in the day pretty fiery about McCarthy, and I
thought it was great to go for these single issue
bills in the House. And I'm talking about separating all
the budgeting bills and making them just one bill for
one one particular expenditure, and the next bill for another one.

(11:54):
I think we still need to reach that, and I'm
hoping that through President Trump's relationship with Mike Johnson, we
can get to a point where that actually happens next
December when this whole budget nonsense comes up again, as
it always does before Christmas.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Because we gotta go, we gotta go on Christmas vacation.

Speaker 5 (12:15):
It's like, I know, but he's had all year to
do this. Why are you waiting until the last week.
So anyway, I'm hoping, and I think it's because of
and I'm a Trump supporter and I have been since
twenty fifteen, and I don't I'm not afraid of saying
that and just being voraciously in support of President Trump.

(12:37):
And a lot of people fought really, really hard. Nobody
fought harder than President Trump to be the forty seventh
president of United States to pull off this Grover Cleveland.
Nobody thought harder than he did. And so he's really
attempting to really kind of re enact in the twenty

(12:59):
sixteen but in a smoother kind of way.

Speaker 4 (13:02):
And and you.

Speaker 5 (13:03):
Notice that that, you know, with Elon Musk mouthing off
on the internet, and finally President Trump said, hey, listen,
you guys who are good for your confirmations everything else,
stay off of social media, stay off of Twitter or
truth social whatever.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
Don't even go on truth social be quiet. This is
what we need right now.

Speaker 5 (13:26):
I don't need you to be doing what you're doing
and jeopardizing what you're doing. You notice that Pete Heggseth
took a real I mean, this was a classic, a
classic lesson in how best to get over any kind

(13:46):
of controversy or attacks and that kind of thing. And
they just go full bore, but go full bore in
strength and not in weakness or fieriness, and so.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
That hegset thing.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
He'll he'll he will be confirmed as the Defense secretary,
and it will be a hard fought battle, but it
will be a great model in how best to handle
controversies and things like that. And plus, you know, the
news media, they get they get tired after a while.
They'll come after you for a period of time, and

(14:21):
then once they don't get what they want, they'll give
up because they just don't. They don't they don't have
the wherewithal to stick to it. And there's only so
much you could do. You know, they tried the whole
tattoo thing and all this nonsense and the whole affair
thing or whatever it was, and through a level of
strength and perseverance and endurance, that is what it's all about.

(14:47):
Because endurance is super important in the political world because
a lot of politicians and a lot of people in
the mainstream media count on you giving up and you
just don't. And so his support of Mike Johnson, I
think is a good thing. I think a lot of
us are kind of like, well, I don't know, I

(15:09):
like this massy guy, and I like how he's you know,
saying the Republics at stake and all that kind of stuff.
I like him, but I still figure out a way,
maybe we can figure out a wag just to kind
of get what we want by just being peaceful, you know.

Speaker 6 (15:24):
And Kelly, and I'm really humbled and honored to have
President Trump's endorsement for speaker again. He and I work
so well together, so closely together, and we have a
lot of big things to do. He recognizes that what
we need right now. I think my colleagues recognize this
as well. Is a proven fighter and a true MAGA conservative,
but also someone who can work with every single member

(15:45):
of our very diverse House GOP so that we can
get President Trump's priorities over the line.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
That's what's ahead of us.

Speaker 6 (15:52):
I think this could be the most consequential presidency and
Congress of the modern era, because we have to fix everything.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
Yeah, and I think that's great.

Speaker 5 (16:00):
And you know, President Trump man, I think that sometimes
he is a guy who gravitates towards people who might
not think like him more than people give him credit for.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Hi.

Speaker 4 (16:16):
I'm Dennis, I'm people of Mississippi, and my morning show
is your morning show with Michael Del Jorno.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Hi I'm Michael. We'd love to have you listen every
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we're always grateful you're here now enjoyed the podcast.

Speaker 5 (16:55):
Well, Happy New Year's Eve to all of you and yours.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
This is your morning show with Michael del Giorno.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
I'm Jamie Allman, privileged and happy to be filling in
for my good friend Michael, and I hope you all
are enjoying a festive, peaceful New Year's Eve morning.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
And you know.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
December, you guys, and Red sends me these in the
morning and lets me know the birthdays and things like that.
I like to see the birthdays because usually what happens
is all you see in December a bunch of obits,
you know what I mean. I don't know whether it's
what it is about December or whether it's just that,
you know, I'm paying more attention to the newspapers or

(17:40):
triviality whatever, But there are a lot of people it
seem like it's like celebrity deaths, you know, but it's
kind of fun to enjoy celebrity birthdays. And I'm noting
that or read noted to me that Anthony Hopkins is
eighty seven years old, and I'm thinking, well, that's nice.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
I'm so glad to see people are still alive.

Speaker 5 (18:02):
That's what Like the other day was Sandy Colfax's eighty
ninth birthday, thinking well, it's fantastic that Sandy Cofax is
still alive. Imagine what it will we be if we
actually talk more about the birthdays of people as opposed
to the death days. But you know, you know, if
it leads, it bleeds, right, it bleeds, it leads. Donald
Trump Junior is forty seven. I've noted that Anthony Hopkins.

(18:26):
They noted that he's with the Silence of He was
the star of the Silence of the Lambs. But you
guys remember the movie Magic, that one about that murderous puppet.
Oh yeah, it's called Magic. It's actually a pretty good movie.
Anthony Hopkins for some reason has this ability. I think

(18:48):
he one time, at one point turned down a role
in one of the Godfather movies. He's turned down more roles,
I think, than he's accepted, which is pretty crazy. But yeah,
the movie Magic is really actually timber.

Speaker 4 (19:05):
Yeah, his picture being associated with that movie. Yes, yeah,
he was. He was a good horror actor. I mean,
I think he doesn't give he doesn't. They don't give
him enough credit for that.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
He's been in some of the nicer, kind of sweet
little British movies and things like that.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
But oh yeah, yeah, an old friend for dinner pava beans.

Speaker 5 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. By the way, if you guys
have any suggestions on how I and I don't know
why I'm doing this, but for some reason I am
because my dad was like that with me. I saw
every movie ever made in the sixties and seventies with
him in the theaters, by the way, And I'm trying

(19:46):
to get my girls to watch I'm actually my particularly
my seventeen year old too. It seems to have an
affinity for police and crime shows on TV for some reason,
and I'm trying to get her to watch The Guy
Father with me and she just won't do it. I don't,
I don't, and I think it's just because she doesn't

(20:07):
want to sit there and watch a movie, watch The
Godfather with Dad.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
I don't know. I don't know what that is.

Speaker 5 (20:12):
I'm close to her and everything, and we're sweet together,
but Natalie does not want to watch The Godfather. Every
time she's watching, hey let's watch the Godfather. Or I'm
trying to get her to even watch Murder. She wrote
her something like that, you know, something along those lines.
She's trying to kind of get her into that stuff.
It's like, I think I'm just I think I'm just

(20:32):
getting to that point. I have five children, so I
think I'm getting to the point where I'm like, finally,
just dad. You know, I probably have to just admit
that Dad wants me to sit down and watch The
Godfather with him again, you know.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Or I'm trying.

Speaker 5 (20:48):
I'm trying to get them to watch The Wizard of
Oz and they won't do that either. So for some reason,
my influence as it relates to movies and entertainment isn't
isn't very What should I do?

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Take it for granted?

Speaker 4 (21:00):
Yes, remember when Wizard of Oz came on once a
year in the fall, and it was an event right on.
And now these kids, yes see at any time thanks
to DVD and streaming and all that other stuff.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
Forget Well, it's like Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, you know,
remember that. I was like, you had one chance to
see that, and that was if you missed it, you.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
Missed it, exactly.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
And The Wizard of Oz is a great movie anyway,
on so many different levels, especially when you get into
the history of it and all that kind of stuff,
and uh, yeah, it's a great movie.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
And I don't know why they won't see it.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I mean, my what's weird is my daughter Natalie will
watch these crime shows, and the crime shows now are
so so vivid, and the crimes are so even like
Murdercy wrote, you never saw a dead body, you know,

(21:58):
even Quincy, you never saw a dead body, not like
I said, well, you did kind of see dead bodies
sometimes with Quincy, but you never really saw any yeah exactly,
it was never really. But she's watching all this very
vivid stuff and I'm thinking, well, why wouldn't you watch
The Wizard of Oz?

Speaker 3 (22:15):
You know, I get it.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
The flying monkeys are very intimidating and I'll never forget
that as a kid. But still, you know you should
be able to handle that in some shape or form.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
All Right, So Red sent me this pole.

Speaker 5 (22:30):
I really, I really like this pole because it is
about celebrities political opinions, and I know there are a
lot of people out there who are the shut up
and sing types. And Laura Ingram, who's a friend of
mine and I like her and have a ton of

(22:51):
respect for her, wrote a book called shut Up and Sing,
and it was basically saying, if you're a celebrity, you
got to keep your mouth shut and stop talking about
your points of view. Now, as a broadcaster, I have
a hard time saying that because I have the privilege

(23:11):
and the honor of every day saying what I think
in front of a microphone, and so it's hard for
me to say to a singer or someone who has
a platform that they shouldn't use it if they really
truly believe in something powerful and important. And let's put

(23:36):
it this way, like Elon Musk is his celebrity, and
even though I disagree with him about his approach to
the whole h one B thing, I'm glad that he
talks about things, so I really, you know, so sometimes
celebrities talking can be a good thing, not a bad thing.
I do remember going to a Neil Young concert when

(23:58):
he was singing a song about George Bush and half
the audience walk walked out. I mean, even though they
love Neil Young, like dude, Okay, enough is enough. So apparently,
according to this poll, and this is a Center for
Public Affairs Research poll, most Republicans prefer not to hear

(24:20):
celebrities political takes, and mostly Democrats are fine. Sixty one
percent of Republicans strongly or somewhat disapprove of celebrities speaking
out about political issues. Twenty seven percent, which is actually
fairly formidable, neither approve nor disapprove, so I don't really

(24:44):
have an opinion about it, which is good. Eleven percent
strongly or somewhat approved of people speaking out. I happen
to be among that eleven percent for Democrats, twenty percent
strongly or somewhat disapproved, forty percent neither of proved nor disapproved,
and thirty nine percent strongly or somewhat approved. So that's
a big swing in terms of your your politics. And

(25:09):
I think that's because a lot more of the liberal
or you know, left wing or whatever you want to
call them. Celebrities are a lot more vocal, but not
but not necessarily helpful, you know, but they're a lot
more vocal, and I think people think that's going to

(25:29):
promote their causes a little more. And forty three percent
of adults, according to this poll, approve of small businesses
speaking out on political issues, which is pretty high. And
I believe that for the most part, especially as it
relates to more conservative businesses, if they speak out, they

(25:52):
seem to be rewarded more handsomely on a number of
different levels.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
And generally, according to the.

Speaker 5 (26:01):
Poll, people are not eager for politics to miss to
mix with their entertainment or commerce experiences. So some people
just kind of want it to be normal, average everyday stuff.
And it's kind of even when you think about Anthony
Hopkins and his birthday and think about these folks, you
notice themimes Golly, I never hear he never really chimes in.

(26:26):
These people keep to themselves like the Jack Nicholson's of
the world. You know, they're they're they're fine as they are.
They don't really talk. That's fine.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
If they did, I wouldn't it wouldn't bother me.

Speaker 5 (26:37):
But it appears that most Americans would prefer that people
in the entertainment world just simply keep their mouth shut.
That's fine, But from my point of view, especially being
a person who never keeps my mouth shut, I'm probably
more supportive of them.

Speaker 3 (26:59):
This is Your Morning Show with Michael Deltona.

Speaker 5 (27:03):
It's funny because sometimes it seems like a certain level
of the news that is generated is based on jealousy.
Like there's some of it's based on irony. Oh well,
so and so is this way, even though he's that way,
and some of it's based on jealousy, And this one

(27:26):
story reminds me of that. So you have Elon Musk,
and the story is that Elon Musk, who by the way,
is a billionaire.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Many times over.

Speaker 5 (27:41):
The story here is Elon Musk is staying in a
cottage at marri Lago and it rents for two thousand
dollars a day. Can you believe this pig? You know,
I guess that's really what the story is. But the
reality is that Elon Musk can afford it. So I
don't know why there's this problem with him staying in

(28:03):
a cottage at Mara a lago right near the President's home. Essentially,
when you're worth four hundred and thirty billion dollars according
to Forbes. But they missed the story, the big part
of the story, which is a great story about the

(28:25):
proclivities of President Trump, because keep in mind, the real story,
and they don't even mention it here, is that Trump
is making him pay it, so he's not staying for free,
even though obviously he's a close ally of President Trump,
what have you. The great story is that Trump is

(28:46):
making him pay two thousand dollars a day. At least
that's what we think, that's what it rents for generally,
So we don't know for a fact that he's making
him pay it, but the fact that they're doing the
story about it dearly indicates that he's paying something to
stay there. And so, just in case you're wondering, you

(29:08):
know President Trump, that's how well you all know this?
Well maybe you don't because you're not rich, but I'm
not either. But rich people stay rich by not spending
money but making it or or or holding onto it
one way or the other. And so they missed the story.

(29:30):
It's a great story. President Trump is the headline should be.
President Trump is forcing Elon Musk to pay two thousand
dollars a day to stay in may Lago.

Speaker 3 (29:39):
It's like, hey, listen, if you can afford to do it.

Speaker 5 (29:42):
And kudos to President Trump for basically saying, hey, let's
I'm not letting you stay here for free?

Speaker 3 (29:51):
What do you who do you think I am?

Speaker 5 (29:52):
It's like, that's a great reflection on the character of
President Trump, and now you know why he where he is?
So Wikipedia people, So it's kind of Wikipedia is a
little like Scientific American is a little like Popular Mechanics
is a little like Politico or Axios and that is

(30:17):
that or the Wall Street Journal. If you ask my
personal opinion about it, you just accept you kind of
assume that it's balanced, and you assume that there's no
real sense of bias with it until you actually start
to really look at it and see what's in it.
And I mentioned Scientific American and Popular Mechanics because they

(30:41):
have absolutely gone completely woke and are.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
Evading the whole.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
Science discussion and instead now getting into politics and that
kind of thing.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
And Politico is one of those things.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Is like, well, it's just they're just kind of like
innocuous or just there aren't they No, really not. So
the co founder of Wikipedia is now basically dumping on
the site and saying, man, it's a I go to
Wikipedia all the time. I happened to enjoy it. And
you sometimes get into Wikipedia pong, you know. It's kind

(31:18):
of like YouTube pong, where you're reading a Wikipedia article
and then you click on a name in the Wikipedia article.
Then you're onto that Wikipedia page, and then that Wikipedia
page sends you to another Wikipedia page, and by that
time it's two thirty in the morning. And but I

(31:39):
tend to kind of believe everything Wikipedia does. But this
co founder, his name is Larry Sanger, he's not. It's
it's really gone.

Speaker 7 (31:47):
To introduced the neutrality policy before Wikipedia was even conceived of,
and then Wikipedia inherited it from Newpedia. Wikipedia made a
real effort at neutral for I would say it's first
five years or so, and then it became well, it
began a long, slow slide into what I would call

(32:13):
a leftist propaganda.

Speaker 5 (32:16):
Yeah, and in fact of late Wikipedia has really been
attacked and under fire for allowing elements of anti Semitism
and total woke bias. And you can go in yourself

(32:39):
and edit the page and.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I think the.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
Only way you really know about it is if you
go ahead and go to a Wikipedia page of somebody
that you're very, very familiar with or you know all about,
and then you're seeing the kind of bias. Or it's
not always what is included or what is included as bias,
it's also sometimes what is left out. So I'm sure

(33:08):
that if you go to the Wikipedia page of Jimmy Carter,
God love him and God bless him, you're going to
get a markedly different story of a life than you
would if you Wikipedia Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 3 (33:23):
That's just the way that I think it goes.

Speaker 5 (33:26):
And sometimes it's not necessarily the Wikipedia managers or the
people doing it. Sometimes it's the fact that they allow
people to edit things themselves, and and you know, I mean, like,
for instance, Wikipedia called the October seventh massacre in Israel

(33:46):
a Commas victory, so that that's in that's on Wikipedia
right now, and so that's a little bit rough. But
the good news is that I think most Americans, you know,
we're relatively intelligent, right, and there are multiple sources of
information available to us. And I think as we've seen,

(34:11):
especially with the twenty twenty four election, it seems that
there is a prolific sense of exploration for information among Americans,
and that is absolutely great news.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
We're all in this together.

Speaker 2 (34:26):
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