April 12, 2024 • 19 mins
In today’s CRU (Crime Round-Up) with Nancy Grace, hosts Sheryl McCollum and Nancy Grace react to the recent news of OJ Simpson's death. They offer a profound look into the complexities of the legal system, the role of media in shaping public opinion, and the ongoing struggle for justice in high-profile cases. Nancy Grace's powerful commentary underscores the need for continued advocacy and reform in handling cases of domestic violence and public trials.
Today Nancy and Sheryl discuss these topics in today’s Crime Round-Up:
-The Death of O.J Simpson: lies, injustices, and legal system failures
-Sebastian Rogers Update - lack of evidence, zero sightings, CPS reports
-Missing Women in Oklahoma: custody battles, rumors of a hammer involved
Show Notes:
- [0:00] Welcome! Nancy and Sheryl introduce this week’s crime roundup
- [0:30] Nancy Grace recalls her initial reactions to OJ Simpson's death
- [3:30] O.J. Simpson trial jurors and the verdict that was
- [6:30] Further legal trouble for O.J
- [9:15] Reactions to Kim Goldman’s tweet about O.J’s death
- [14:00] The latest on Sebastian Rogers
- [16:00] The latest on the missing women in Oklahoma
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to the Crime Roundup with Cheryl McCollum and the
one and only Nancy Grace. Nancy, I just got to
start immediately with oj Simpson. I remember you were in
the DA's office, your phone rings, somebody, some reporter somewhere
calls and ask you your opinion, and honey, you gave
(00:30):
it and went on about your day. And the next
thing all of us know is they want you to
basically debate Johnny cochrane. And we were all like, oh lord,
what is going to happen? And you know, it went
from there and then you're on TV. You're on TV
(00:51):
all the time. So yesterday when I heard that he
had died, one of the first people I thought about
was you, is that some sort of a question. It's
not a question, it's just I will ask you a
good question.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But yin, I object. I object to the compound soliloquy
Cheryl McCollum has just delivered. I hope my name is
not forever linked with that of Orenthal James Simpson. Please
don't throw me in that pot to Steve. I was
just talking to our longtime friend, defense attorney Renee Rockwell
(01:26):
in Atlanta. She's like the king of the drug cases. Yeah,
I guess, Queen. I mean, you get caught with some crack,
you better call Renee Rockwell.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Amen, I said.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
She reminded me that we had a bet. I bet
her that not only and I did it twice. I
never learned. I bet that O. J. Simpson would absolutely
get convicted and that Michael Jackson would absolutely get convicted. Okay,
so you know everybody called me a human light detector. Obviously, Ah,
(02:00):
that is just a big lie, Okay, because I just
still to this day can't believe that there was an
eight kid. But I'm going to tell you something that happened.
I got invited to be on That's when Heraldo Rivera
had a daytime show, and I it was a big
deal to fly to New York and be on the
Heraldo Rivera show. And it was cold, and I had
(02:25):
my cheap little Atlanta coat on, and I was going
to be on with three of the jurors. Let's see,
what was the name. They had written a book. I
think it was something like and Madam Foreman or something
like that in the name of the book about their
experience being on the OJ Simpson murder trial. And I,
(02:46):
of course thought they were all crazy and wrong. But
the verdict was done, the case was done, and they
were three little ladies. I don't know they were old.
I'd say they were in there, maybe forties, fifties, sixties,
some middle aged ladies. So I disagreed with them on
the show very politely, because it was all over. Was
the point of finding now there's nothing I could do
(03:07):
to affect the verdict or justice, and I didn't feel
any need to be rude to these ladies, even though
they were complete lunatics. We left, okay, and I got
to wave at Heraldo goodbye, and you know, he's a
big star, and I'm like, wow, I'm so lucky I
got to come here. Blah blah. We walked outside and
(03:29):
I was waiting on a cab and a big stretch
limo pulled up for the three lady Gerrars.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I actually hugged them goodbye, poor misled creatures that they were.
And the words of the lady Gerrors that being on
the Simpson Jury was the best thing that ever happened
to them, with all the new clothes and the fancy
hotels and being taken out to dinner and the Bookhunters
(03:56):
and the money from the book, and all I could
say think about or Nicole and Ron lying their dead
on the driveway, and I remember it was right then
it started to snow, and I was just like standing
their frozen, not from the snow, but from the reality
(04:18):
of how wrong that verdict was. And I've got to
tell you, it really messed up my mind that there
could be such a verdict that was so wrong in
such a high profile case. And you know, Cheryl, I've
thought about it a lot about Simpson's legacy, like if
(04:38):
you could call it that again, he got the golden
ticket when he got that not guilty, but never accept
the responsibility, never apologized, never did good works, nothing, you know,
moved to Florida to dodge taxes and spent the rest
of his life boozing, drugging and golfing somew you know.
(05:00):
You know, he still gets free drinks, free food, courtside seats.
He's cheered and applauded at every bar and restaurant he
goes to. But he is no hero, he is no legend.
He's a wife beater that morphed into a double killer.
And he played on his celebrity and he got a
(05:21):
not guilty verdict. A lot of people have asked me,
did Cochrane know Simpson was guilty? Yes, he knew, Remember
I told you that. I often asked him, and during
the time we were co anchors, he would never say yeah, yeah.
He would always say Jerry acquitted him. He would never
(05:45):
say no, no, he didn't do it. So I look
at this in a different way as a crime victim myself.
It just feels like a revictimization. And then, as you'll
recall Cheryl, in Inner City in Atlanta, I try a
guy named Charles Erlick and it was a big case.
It was trafficking in cocaine. He was a rich playboy
(06:08):
that lived in a high rise in Buckhead where the
rich people live in Atlanta on Peachtree Street. And I
tried him for trafficking in cocaine, got a conviction, got
twenty years on um Cheryl twenty years. Charles Arlic aka
Charlie Tuna. What a surprise when I find out all
(06:29):
those years later, somehow, out of every person in the world,
he makes his way to OJ Simpson and together some
other guys, they go and commit an armed robbery in
a Vegas hotel, Charlie Tuna, OJ Simpson at it again.
It's like, you know, Tuna gets out of jail and
(06:53):
you think, hey, I never want to go back to
jail again. And Simpson's on a not guilty thinking and
I never want to be in front of another jury again.
But what happens water Seeks is on level right, and
they end up together in Vegas to commit an armed robbery.
When I heard that name Charles Early, I thought, could
(07:14):
that possibly be Charlie Tuna? Could it be? And it was.
So My point is not to rehash the armed robbery
in Vegas. The point is nothing changes. They never change.
Man if I had escaped a double murder rap, I
(07:34):
think I go live in a monastery and do good
works the rest of my life. But that's not how
it works out, does it. Cheryl. Another issue that the
death of Simpson brings up is there ain't no justice right,
And I'm talking about domestic violence absolutely. Those pictures of
(07:58):
Nicole with their face in a mush, and I've played
back some of her nine to one one calls on
my own program, Crime Stories, which is on MSM. That's
Doctor Fiel's new network, by the way, and I hear
her voice frantic, with Simpson in the background trying to
beat down the door. I spoke in depth with her boyfriend,
(08:24):
Keith Salamsowitch, and Simpson went, actually, this is after Simpson
and Nicole Brown had divorced. He would follow her around
and show up at restaurants where they were trying to
break in to her house when they were in there together.
So she finally had to quit sing Salamsowitch And it's
(08:47):
amazing to me that nobody can figure out that the
guy that has been beating her, harassing her, following her
is the guy that murdered her. Domestic violence. I don't
know that it ever gets any better, and this is
an example of how it typically gets worse.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was reading what Kim Goldman posted yesterday and she
said something that just really stuck with me. Part of
what she said is when you have this journey of grief,
it's not linear. So even with his death yesterday, they're
still dealing with all this trauma and this different levels
(09:30):
of what they have to try to maneuver through and
traverse through that they didn't start. They had nothing to
do with any of it. They were completely innocent people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, you know, what Cheryl, You're right about the victim's reaction.
In a way, I think it leaves a big empty
spot because ever since the murders. First they were out
for justice, then they got the horrible blow of the
not guilty verdicts. Then they had the civil trial and
they got millions and millions dollar verdicts against Simpson. Remember
(10:06):
how horribly he failed his line detector. How it turned
out he lied about the Bruno Molly's shoes, which were
absolutely the shoes that left bloody footprints at the crime scene.
And I know there's a lot of theories that there
were two killers, or that the killer was Simpson's son.
That's all bs one set of Bruno Molly's shoes, bloody
(10:30):
footprints back and forth between the two dead bodies. There
was one killer that came out at the civil trial
where Simpson had denied owning any such shoes, and then
an old photo emerged from the Inquirer of him on
the sideline and a football game wearing Bruno Molly's shoes.
(10:52):
So everything he ever said was just a lie. My
point is, the family went through the murders, then they
went through the criminal trial, then they went through the
civil trial. Then they tried to get him to pay judgment.
He moves to Florida to escape taxes. Do you know
(11:14):
he goes to his grave, owing them over one hundred
million dollars. I know money is not going to make
them feel any better, But now there's just emptiness and
the reality that Ron and Nicole are gone and they're
never coming back. You know, I don't remember the jurors now.
(11:36):
I don't remember all the defense witnesses or what were
said at the trial, not every detail, but I know this,
that was a travesty. He escaped justice on this earth, Cheryl,
but not now, because right now he's having supper with Satan.
(11:57):
He's in hell and that's where he's going to stay.
He had the chance to change his life, to accept responsibility,
to use his fame for anything good, but he didn't.
That is his legacy as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And the reality is there's never going to be a
winner here. You now have four children that have lost
a father. They now don't have either parent two of them.
You've got another family sitting there saying okay, we don't
even know how to process this. You've got Nichole's family
as well, that are they ever going to now have
any type of justice. You've got oj Simpsons saying I'm
(12:38):
going to look for the real killer. Now, well, I
guess that investigation has stopped too now. I mean, the
whole thing is just so sad. There's no winner here. Ever,
I do want to give Kim Goleman the last word,
and I'm going to read verbatim a tweet that she
(13:00):
put out yesterday. The news of Ron's killer passing away
is a mixed bag of complicated emotions and reminds us
that the journey through grief is not linear. For three decades,
we tirelessly pursued justice for Ron and Nicole, and despite
a civil judgment and his confession in the book If
(13:24):
I Did It, the hope for true accountability has ended.
We will continue to advocate for the rights of all
victims and survivors, ensuring our voices are heard both within
and beyond the courtroom. And despite his death, the mission continues.
There's always more to be done. Thank you for keeping
(13:48):
our family and most importantly, Ron, in your hearts for
the last thirty years, Kim and Fred Golman. So there's
two other cases that we're still watching. There is still
no word on Sebastian Rogers. He has not been found,
(14:08):
His body has not been recovered. It is now over
six weeks. He has had no medication, no shoes, no shelter,
no food, no water that we know of. His mother
and stepfather are still out of town. Things have come
out that he had abuse in his background. They've made
(14:30):
it clear that CPS has been involved. There's all kinds
of allegations about have they both taken a polygraph? Have
they all three taken a polygraph? Are they going to
take a polygraph? It just depends on who you ask,
what information you're going to get. There's a ton of rumors,
there's a ton of speculation. The bottom line is there
(14:52):
has been zero sightings, zero evidence located. There's been no clothing,
there's been no flashlight. There's been no eyeglasses that belonged
to Sebastian that has been found. Nobody has come forward
that we know of. With a ring camera where law
enforcement is searching is indicative to me that they do
(15:16):
not believe that Sebastian Rogers is alive. You do not
drain ponds and search lakes and landfills if you think
that child is alive. Nobody thinks he walked to that
landfilled and covered himself with trash. Somebody would have placed
his dead body there. So if you watch what law
(15:38):
enforcement is doing, in my opinion, they are telling you
what their feeling is. They do not feel like this
is going to be a child that they recover that's
been hiding out somewhere for six weeks. Again, he hasn't
had any medication, he hasn't had any food. Where is
the food source, where's the water source? He wouldn't be
(15:59):
someone where he had that type of provisions that the
family wouldn't know about. The other case we've been highly
looking at are the two women that have gone missing
in Oklahoma. The thing that concerns me the most is
one of the women had been in a custody battle,
(16:20):
y'all for nine years. That's a long time to fight
with somebody over children. Children are a motive. It's scary
to think they left a small town in Kansas to
go toward a smaller town in Oklahoma. Were three miles
(16:43):
from their destination of picking up the children, and they
never made it. Three miles away and never made it.
Their car was found off the highway about a thousand
feet into state road l in the middle of nothing,
in the middle of nowhere, no witnesses. Where they were
(17:04):
meeting to pick the children up was an abandoned gas station,
So again who picked the time, the date, location, and route.
There's not but a handful of people that would have
known where they were going to be on what road
in the exact time. So you either have people that
(17:25):
knew and were once related to them, maybe five or
six people. You got the ex mother in law, a babysitter,
the ex you know, husband, the children's father, Jillian, the
lady that was with Veronica, Veronica, and maybe another person
in Veronica's family. Six people that would have known. And
(17:49):
then you had the possibility that this was a stranger.
Was it a truck driver, was it somebody transient? Was
you know, it's somebody that just happened upon them. That's
pretty coincidental, and that's a pretty lucky person to pick
two people where the focus is immediately going to be
put on ex family members. So the search for the
(18:12):
two women in Oklahoma are continuing, but so far drones
and dogs and multiple agencies have not come up with anything,
and OSBI has said there's enough evidence in the car,
that they were in danger, no doubt about it. There's
been rumors that it's blood. There's been rumors that there
(18:33):
was a hammer. There's all kinds of rumors, but again,
law enforcement has been very clear whatever happened in that
car was bad. This is the crime Roundup and I'm
Cheryl McCollum.
Welcome to the Crime Roundup with Cheryl McCollum and the
one and only Nancy Grace. Nancy, I just got to
start immediately with oj Simpson. I remember you were in
the DA's office, your phone rings, somebody, some reporter somewhere
calls and ask you your opinion, and honey, you gave
(00:30):
it and went on about your day. And the next
thing all of us know is they want you to
basically debate Johnny cochrane. And we were all like, oh lord,
what is going to happen? And you know, it went
from there and then you're on TV. You're on TV
(00:51):
all the time. So yesterday when I heard that he
had died, one of the first people I thought about
was you, is that some sort of a question. It's
not a question, it's just I will ask you a
good question.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
But yin, I object. I object to the compound soliloquy
Cheryl McCollum has just delivered. I hope my name is
not forever linked with that of Orenthal James Simpson. Please
don't throw me in that pot to Steve. I was
just talking to our longtime friend, defense attorney Renee Rockwell
(01:26):
in Atlanta. She's like the king of the drug cases. Yeah,
I guess, Queen. I mean, you get caught with some crack,
you better call Renee Rockwell.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Amen, I said.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
She reminded me that we had a bet. I bet
her that not only and I did it twice. I
never learned. I bet that O. J. Simpson would absolutely
get convicted and that Michael Jackson would absolutely get convicted. Okay,
so you know everybody called me a human light detector. Obviously, Ah,
(02:00):
that is just a big lie, Okay, because I just
still to this day can't believe that there was an
eight kid. But I'm going to tell you something that happened.
I got invited to be on That's when Heraldo Rivera
had a daytime show, and I it was a big
deal to fly to New York and be on the
Heraldo Rivera show. And it was cold, and I had
(02:25):
my cheap little Atlanta coat on, and I was going
to be on with three of the jurors. Let's see,
what was the name. They had written a book. I
think it was something like and Madam Foreman or something
like that in the name of the book about their
experience being on the OJ Simpson murder trial. And I,
(02:46):
of course thought they were all crazy and wrong. But
the verdict was done, the case was done, and they
were three little ladies. I don't know they were old.
I'd say they were in there, maybe forties, fifties, sixties,
some middle aged ladies. So I disagreed with them on
the show very politely, because it was all over. Was
the point of finding now there's nothing I could do
(03:07):
to affect the verdict or justice, and I didn't feel
any need to be rude to these ladies, even though
they were complete lunatics. We left, okay, and I got
to wave at Heraldo goodbye, and you know, he's a
big star, and I'm like, wow, I'm so lucky I
got to come here. Blah blah. We walked outside and
(03:29):
I was waiting on a cab and a big stretch
limo pulled up for the three lady Gerrars.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Y'all.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
I actually hugged them goodbye, poor misled creatures that they were.
And the words of the lady Gerrors that being on
the Simpson Jury was the best thing that ever happened
to them, with all the new clothes and the fancy
hotels and being taken out to dinner and the Bookhunters
(03:56):
and the money from the book, and all I could
say think about or Nicole and Ron lying their dead
on the driveway, and I remember it was right then
it started to snow, and I was just like standing
their frozen, not from the snow, but from the reality
(04:18):
of how wrong that verdict was. And I've got to
tell you, it really messed up my mind that there
could be such a verdict that was so wrong in
such a high profile case. And you know, Cheryl, I've
thought about it a lot about Simpson's legacy, like if
(04:38):
you could call it that again, he got the golden
ticket when he got that not guilty, but never accept
the responsibility, never apologized, never did good works, nothing, you know,
moved to Florida to dodge taxes and spent the rest
of his life boozing, drugging and golfing somew you know.
(05:00):
You know, he still gets free drinks, free food, courtside seats.
He's cheered and applauded at every bar and restaurant he
goes to. But he is no hero, he is no legend.
He's a wife beater that morphed into a double killer.
And he played on his celebrity and he got a
(05:21):
not guilty verdict. A lot of people have asked me,
did Cochrane know Simpson was guilty? Yes, he knew, Remember
I told you that. I often asked him, and during
the time we were co anchors, he would never say yeah, yeah.
He would always say Jerry acquitted him. He would never
(05:45):
say no, no, he didn't do it. So I look
at this in a different way as a crime victim myself.
It just feels like a revictimization. And then, as you'll
recall Cheryl, in Inner City in Atlanta, I try a
guy named Charles Erlick and it was a big case.
It was trafficking in cocaine. He was a rich playboy
(06:08):
that lived in a high rise in Buckhead where the
rich people live in Atlanta on Peachtree Street. And I
tried him for trafficking in cocaine, got a conviction, got
twenty years on um Cheryl twenty years. Charles Arlic aka
Charlie Tuna. What a surprise when I find out all
(06:29):
those years later, somehow, out of every person in the world,
he makes his way to OJ Simpson and together some
other guys, they go and commit an armed robbery in
a Vegas hotel, Charlie Tuna, OJ Simpson at it again.
It's like, you know, Tuna gets out of jail and
(06:53):
you think, hey, I never want to go back to
jail again. And Simpson's on a not guilty thinking and
I never want to be in front of another jury again.
But what happens water Seeks is on level right, and
they end up together in Vegas to commit an armed robbery.
When I heard that name Charles Early, I thought, could
(07:14):
that possibly be Charlie Tuna? Could it be? And it was.
So My point is not to rehash the armed robbery
in Vegas. The point is nothing changes. They never change.
Man if I had escaped a double murder rap, I
(07:34):
think I go live in a monastery and do good
works the rest of my life. But that's not how
it works out, does it. Cheryl. Another issue that the
death of Simpson brings up is there ain't no justice right,
And I'm talking about domestic violence absolutely. Those pictures of
(07:58):
Nicole with their face in a mush, and I've played
back some of her nine to one one calls on
my own program, Crime Stories, which is on MSM. That's
Doctor Fiel's new network, by the way, and I hear
her voice frantic, with Simpson in the background trying to
beat down the door. I spoke in depth with her boyfriend,
(08:24):
Keith Salamsowitch, and Simpson went, actually, this is after Simpson
and Nicole Brown had divorced. He would follow her around
and show up at restaurants where they were trying to
break in to her house when they were in there together.
So she finally had to quit sing Salamsowitch And it's
(08:47):
amazing to me that nobody can figure out that the
guy that has been beating her, harassing her, following her
is the guy that murdered her. Domestic violence. I don't
know that it ever gets any better, and this is
an example of how it typically gets worse.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I was reading what Kim Goldman posted yesterday and she
said something that just really stuck with me. Part of
what she said is when you have this journey of grief,
it's not linear. So even with his death yesterday, they're
still dealing with all this trauma and this different levels
(09:30):
of what they have to try to maneuver through and
traverse through that they didn't start. They had nothing to
do with any of it. They were completely innocent people.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, you know, what Cheryl, You're right about the victim's reaction.
In a way, I think it leaves a big empty
spot because ever since the murders. First they were out
for justice, then they got the horrible blow of the
not guilty verdicts. Then they had the civil trial and
they got millions and millions dollar verdicts against Simpson. Remember
(10:06):
how horribly he failed his line detector. How it turned
out he lied about the Bruno Molly's shoes, which were
absolutely the shoes that left bloody footprints at the crime scene.
And I know there's a lot of theories that there
were two killers, or that the killer was Simpson's son.
That's all bs one set of Bruno Molly's shoes, bloody
(10:30):
footprints back and forth between the two dead bodies. There
was one killer that came out at the civil trial
where Simpson had denied owning any such shoes, and then
an old photo emerged from the Inquirer of him on
the sideline and a football game wearing Bruno Molly's shoes.
(10:52):
So everything he ever said was just a lie. My
point is, the family went through the murders, then they
went through the criminal trial, then they went through the
civil trial. Then they tried to get him to pay judgment.
He moves to Florida to escape taxes. Do you know
(11:14):
he goes to his grave, owing them over one hundred
million dollars. I know money is not going to make
them feel any better, But now there's just emptiness and
the reality that Ron and Nicole are gone and they're
never coming back. You know, I don't remember the jurors now.
(11:36):
I don't remember all the defense witnesses or what were
said at the trial, not every detail, but I know this,
that was a travesty. He escaped justice on this earth, Cheryl,
but not now, because right now he's having supper with Satan.
(11:57):
He's in hell and that's where he's going to stay.
He had the chance to change his life, to accept responsibility,
to use his fame for anything good, but he didn't.
That is his legacy as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
And the reality is there's never going to be a
winner here. You now have four children that have lost
a father. They now don't have either parent two of them.
You've got another family sitting there saying okay, we don't
even know how to process this. You've got Nichole's family
as well, that are they ever going to now have
any type of justice. You've got oj Simpsons saying I'm
(12:38):
going to look for the real killer. Now, well, I
guess that investigation has stopped too now. I mean, the
whole thing is just so sad. There's no winner here. Ever,
I do want to give Kim Goleman the last word,
and I'm going to read verbatim a tweet that she
(13:00):
put out yesterday. The news of Ron's killer passing away
is a mixed bag of complicated emotions and reminds us
that the journey through grief is not linear. For three decades,
we tirelessly pursued justice for Ron and Nicole, and despite
a civil judgment and his confession in the book If
(13:24):
I Did It, the hope for true accountability has ended.
We will continue to advocate for the rights of all
victims and survivors, ensuring our voices are heard both within
and beyond the courtroom. And despite his death, the mission continues.
There's always more to be done. Thank you for keeping
(13:48):
our family and most importantly, Ron, in your hearts for
the last thirty years, Kim and Fred Golman. So there's
two other cases that we're still watching. There is still
no word on Sebastian Rogers. He has not been found,
(14:08):
His body has not been recovered. It is now over
six weeks. He has had no medication, no shoes, no shelter,
no food, no water that we know of. His mother
and stepfather are still out of town. Things have come
out that he had abuse in his background. They've made
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it clear that CPS has been involved. There's all kinds
of allegations about have they both taken a polygraph? Have
they all three taken a polygraph? Are they going to
take a polygraph? It just depends on who you ask,
what information you're going to get. There's a ton of rumors,
there's a ton of speculation. The bottom line is there
(14:52):
has been zero sightings, zero evidence located. There's been no clothing,
there's been no flashlight. There's been no eyeglasses that belonged
to Sebastian that has been found. Nobody has come forward
that we know of. With a ring camera where law
enforcement is searching is indicative to me that they do
(15:16):
not believe that Sebastian Rogers is alive. You do not
drain ponds and search lakes and landfills if you think
that child is alive. Nobody thinks he walked to that
landfilled and covered himself with trash. Somebody would have placed
his dead body there. So if you watch what law
(15:38):
enforcement is doing, in my opinion, they are telling you
what their feeling is. They do not feel like this
is going to be a child that they recover that's
been hiding out somewhere for six weeks. Again, he hasn't
had any medication, he hasn't had any food. Where is
the food source, where's the water source? He wouldn't be
(15:59):
someone where he had that type of provisions that the
family wouldn't know about. The other case we've been highly
looking at are the two women that have gone missing
in Oklahoma. The thing that concerns me the most is
one of the women had been in a custody battle,
(16:20):
y'all for nine years. That's a long time to fight
with somebody over children. Children are a motive. It's scary
to think they left a small town in Kansas to
go toward a smaller town in Oklahoma. Were three miles
(16:43):
from their destination of picking up the children, and they
never made it. Three miles away and never made it.
Their car was found off the highway about a thousand
feet into state road l in the middle of nothing,
in the middle of nowhere, no witnesses. Where they were
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meeting to pick the children up was an abandoned gas station,
So again who picked the time, the date, location, and route.
There's not but a handful of people that would have
known where they were going to be on what road
in the exact time. So you either have people that
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knew and were once related to them, maybe five or
six people. You got the ex mother in law, a babysitter,
the ex you know, husband, the children's father, Jillian, the
lady that was with Veronica, Veronica, and maybe another person
in Veronica's family. Six people that would have known. And
(17:49):
then you had the possibility that this was a stranger.
Was it a truck driver, was it somebody transient? Was
you know, it's somebody that just happened upon them. That's
pretty coincidental, and that's a pretty lucky person to pick
two people where the focus is immediately going to be
put on ex family members. So the search for the
(18:12):
two women in Oklahoma are continuing, but so far drones
and dogs and multiple agencies have not come up with anything,
and OSBI has said there's enough evidence in the car,
that they were in danger, no doubt about it. There's
been rumors that it's blood. There's been rumors that there
(18:33):
was a hammer. There's all kinds of rumors, but again,
law enforcement has been very clear whatever happened in that
car was bad. This is the crime Roundup and I'm
Cheryl McCollum.
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