Sheryl McCollum shares some uplifting news about her sister Sheila’s remission, highlighting the importance of prayer and humor in tough situations. Sheryl and Nancy turn their attention to the tragic case of Mica Miller, expressing skepticism over the official ruling of suicide. They touch base on the disappearance of Sebastian Rogers, analyzing the polygraph results of his father, Seth Rogers. Additionally, Nancy updates listeners on Suzanne Morphew's case and the suspicious behaviors exhibited by her husband Barry Morphew.
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Today Nancy and Sheryl discuss these topics in today’s crime round-up:
- The Sebastian Rogers Disappearance: Polygraph test latest updates
- Mica Miller, South Carolina: Death ruled a suicide
- Suzanne Morphew Investigation: Barry Morphew is ‘not named a suspect, and not named a person of interest’
Show Notes:
- (0:00) Welcome! Sheryl introduces this week’s crime roundup with news of her sister Sheila’s remission
- (6:00) Seth Rogers’ polygraph results are shared
- (16:30) Mica Miller’s death ruled a suicide
- (17:00) Skepticism around Mica Miller's suicide
- (17:30) Troubling statements made by Mica Miller's husband
- (24:00) Barry Morphew update
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Nancy Grace is an outspoken, tireless advocate for victims’ rights and one of television's most respected legal analysts. Nancy Grace had a perfect conviction record during her decade as a prosecutor. She is the founder and publisher of CrimeOnline.com, a crime- fighting digital platform that investigates breaking crime news, spreads awareness of missing people and shines a light on cold cases.
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
It's the crime Round Up with the star of Merritt Street,
Nancy Grace. Y'all know her, y'all love her, But let
me tell you straight out of the gate, it's gratitude, baby, Nancy. Wednesday,
we got the call that my sister Sheila is in remission,
(00:29):
and I just again want to tell you, you know, all
the prayers, the phone call, that FaceTime shut up David,
all of it has just been so remarkable. But you
know Sheila, and she's got that wicked sense of humor.
So when we knew she had to go through six
(00:49):
chemo sessions, the four of us decided we're going to
do a theme for every session. So her fifth one,
which was Wednesday, was all New Orleans. Well, me and
Charlene and Hug's girlfriend Fernanda, we decided we're going to
throw in some voodoo dolls, just banashed them Hex's baby.
So when Sheila got to the doctor, she always takes
(01:12):
this little bag with her of all her favorite stuff.
So the doctor said, look, I'm looking at your pet scan.
It's gone. You are in remission. So Sheila's texting us
because she can't make a phone call from the doctor's office,
and I responded back to her, after all the crying
and celebrating, and I said, please tell me that when
(01:33):
the nurses and all were talking to you, you had
your voodoo dolls. She said, I had God and voodoo dolls.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, I just don't even know what
to say. I'm so overwhelmed with the news because you know,
I didn't expect good news. You know, when our line
of business, we always expect the worst to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I hope for the best, but here a brace for
the worst, and that when I get good news. I
swear to Cheryl, I think I cry more when I
get good news than when I get bad news because
it's you know, we don't get it that much in
our line of business. So I'm just going to keep
praising the Lord for that wonderful, wonderful news. And I
(02:21):
just wanted to tell you that I met a mom
and I'd like you to pray for her son, little
boy Gooner gu n n a R. He has something
called Burkett slimphoma and it created a huge mask impressing
in his heart, so he originally presented with heart failure.
(02:43):
He just had his fifth round of chemo and he
has had every side effect you can get. Now he's
got septicis, which is bacteria in the blood, and he
is having a really hard time fighting the infection and
the lim foma. And this little boy is just turned twelve, goonar.
(03:04):
So if you would just send up a prayer for him,
because you know, Cheryl, prayer does change things. It does.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It works.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Of course. On the other hand, I thank God from
unanswered prayers because if I had got my prayers answered
the way I wanted them in high school, I would
be living in a double white in South Georgia right now,
and I.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Would never have become a crime fighter that said.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Awkward and upward, onward and upward, no offense to double whites.
Did never tell you. It makes me so mad when
somebody says trailer trash because my granny, that my grandmother
was Lucy Mama. Her mother, granny, smart lady. Her husband
was not one for work, Okay, he liked to go
(03:51):
to the courthouse and watch trials all day long while
granny worked. She bought a whole farm. And guess where
she got the money, Cheryl. She never got past third grade.
She got the money out of Mason jars. You know
that you can things in sure that she had planted
all around that property she was renting, and she went.
(04:12):
She dug up every single one. She paid for a
huge plot of land in Middle Georgia with cash and
worked it. But you know, built a big up well
in those days, a big home, but big enough for
her family and her parents to live in. It's not
a big home. In fact, people today would call it
very very small, but for them it was big because
(04:33):
they had three bedrooms. Okay, So anyway, you know, with
a tin roof at a clabord side, at a front porch.
But long story short, with her house started filling up
with all her children, my grandmother and her children, she
got a trailer and she pulled it up to the
(04:53):
side of that house and she went to live out
there on that farm that she had bought with cash,
and she lived there. It was silver, like an airstream
looking trailer. So I hear people say something about a trailer,
it just puts my teeth on edge.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And hey, here's the deal, that double wide, whatever y'all
want to say about it, it's theirs. They earned it,
they worked for it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's like Cheryl McCollum, Now, would we like to talk
about crime or my great grandmother? Which one you pick?
That's a hard call. It was a hard choice.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think we probably could learn more listening to your grandma.
But I am going to move on because I do
want people to know something that's happened this week that
I think is extraordinary. And you people do not understand
the just three sixty way you work crime And they say, well,
we know her from TV and we know she's got
(05:47):
a show that ain't you. You are a boots on
the ground expert finding evidence testing crime fighter, and this
week you were no different than you've been since the
day I met you. What can we do to move
this thing forward? Who can we get, what can we
make somebody go through? And what you did this week
(06:07):
with the Sebastian Rogers case is you got the biological
father to take a polygraph and what that does for
the people that are going to be the naysayers you
can't even use that in court.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me tell y'all something.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A polygraph is an extraordinary tool for law enforcement and
the only people that I know that refuse to take
one normally you should look at even harder for that crime.
So tell us a little bit about how that came
about and what the results were.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'll tell you everything, Okay. It took all my strength
not to respond to online haters and people that were
genuinely asking out of concern for Sebastian. Why won't Seth
take the polygraph? That's Seth Roger, Sebastian's biological father. Why
won't he take it? Why is he slack? Or what's
(07:00):
he hiding? All that time I knew he had already
gone to take one polygraph? Cheryl, the man is on
his last leg. I've spoken with his help person. I
don't know what else to call him, Tony, who was
trying to help him help his buddy through all this,
(07:22):
He says, Seth can hardly sleep. They have he both
of them have terrible dreams about Sebastian. It's just a
never ending ordeal for Seth Rogers. He hasn't found Sebastian,
you know. He wonders, is he dead or is he alive?
Where is he is? Somebody hurting him? Is somebody molesting him? Just?
(07:44):
Where is my boy? I can't even imagine. It just
makes me my stomach hurt to think about my son
or my daughter being gone. Anyway, so Seth went and
took the polly with the guy. It was incredible. The polygrapher,
who was the head of the FBI polygraphy unit, that's
(08:06):
who we found to do it outstanding. He was incredible.
That said. When Seth went the first time, he had
been up the whole night. He goes out looks at
night too, couldn't sleep, and all of this stress has
exacerbated gost some nerve in his back. So he took
(08:27):
prescribed let's say, gab of Penson and something else. Anyway,
when he got to the polygrapher, he could hardily, you know,
sit up straight. He was so out of it and
so tired. And the polygrapher said, look, man, we're going
to have to redo this again. Did that dissuade him?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He left. He came back a week or so later,
and then he took the polygraph when he was bright
eyed and bushy tailed, and passed it with flying colors.
But I had to wait. I had to wait, and
I didn't want to put it out there. Well, he
couldn't take it the first time because I thought people
would attack him for that. But that is what has happened,
(09:06):
and that is what a former FBI polygrapher told me.
He told me in depth everything that happened, the entire
conversation about how he passed all the critical questions and
more so, Seth Rogers has passed a polygraph and as
many people why online, you can't introduce it into evidence. Actually,
you can introduce it into evidence in a criminal trial
(09:29):
in many jurisdictions if and only if both parties agree
or stipulate upfront prior to the polygraph being taken, that
it will come into evidence. That is true. In many,
not all jurisdictions, it rarely happens because you don't know
what's going to happen and you don't want to bring
in a result that would hurt your case. Because it's true,
(09:52):
polygraphs are not one hundred percent accurate. In civil cases,
they can be brought in much more easily, so they're
right the wrong. But like you, I think it's a
very good sussing out tool ferreting the truth. Somebody says, hell, no,
I'm not going to take a polygraph. I'm like, oh, let.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Me, let me just bring the tracker dogs with the
warrant around your house, Because if somebody is like open,
like Mark classwaws and his daughter Polia went missing, He's like, Polly,
me take my fingerprints, take my DNA.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Search my house, search my home, search my car, do
whatever you want. Just find whoever took Polly. He would
do anything, and right then he didn't want to wait.
That tells me a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
When you've got somebody asked questions like have you ever
wanted to hurt anybody? Did you hurt your son? Did
you have anything to do with his disappearance? Those are
solid questions. And if he doesn't vary in his response
and there's not any alerts that hey, this person is
being deceptive, that helps law enforcement. Let's stop dealing with
(10:58):
Mark Class and move on. That's important.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And again I don't know any more about him than
I've learned through this case. But I asked him several
pointed questions about his ex, Katie Browdfoot and her new husband,
and he would not comment. He said, I want to
work with them to try to find Sebastian. I don't
want any bad blood. I want to work with them
(11:22):
so he will not say a bad word about them.
And I thoughts, you know, normally in this kind of situation,
X couples go crazy on each other.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Sure you know, and you're talking about since February twenty six,
that is a lifetime. I mean you talked about when
you lost John David for just a few minutes at
a store. Most parents have had that situation where you
turn and you don't see him for a split second.
Just what happens in seconds?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh my stars, stop everything? Are you selling a T shirt?
Zone seven? Absolutely? I like that shirt? Wait a minute,
that was good? Is seven? That black teacher? Oh? My goodness?
And you know how to work at girl? Okay, go ahead.
(12:10):
I think I saw you at the Matt gala wearing
his own seven T shirt.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That would be brilliant. Drape me and nothing of its
own seven wrapped around. I'm going that sounds great.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know again for.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Anybody listening that has you know, just wasn't able to
see your child for just a few seconds. You know
how you feel. So to your point, I mean, I'm
sure Seth is not even sane at times. He hasn't
been able to sleep, he hasn't been able to work,
he hasn't been able to be in his own home.
There's no rest because he doesn't know where his child is.
(12:43):
So I'm sure because you know you and I dealt
with Beth Holloway, and Beth told us sometimes you wake
up at four in the morning and everybody else is asleep,
and you're just so freaked and your skin is just
not even I can't remember exactly how she described it,
does Nancy, but remember how she set Her skin just
(13:03):
didn't even feel right on her body.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Her whole physically mentally, and her psyche, her soul.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So you know, we have the umbrel or, we have searchers,
we have law enforcement going to different places. Still nothing,
no even small piece of evidence that shows where this
child went to and where he is at.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Not a clue. And I find that very very probative.
In other words, it proves something that the tracker dogs
were not picking up his scent.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You know, he's gone without medication. The mama says, he
doesn't have shoes with him, he would have no way
to get food and shelter. Nobody at school is seen him,
nobody has you know, helped him out in any way.
You're talking about a child that has never taken care
of hisself, even for an afternoon while his parents weren't there.
He's never ever taken care of hisself. I find it
(13:59):
hard to believe that he would be able to leave
that house in the darken night on his own and
leave no trail, leave no evidence. He's not called her
on a ring camera, he hasn't showed up asking somebody
for food. He hasn't showed up saying I'm cold. I
just it's really disconcerting. But I mean, I believe something
bad happened to that child.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Seth is still holding out hope that he's alive, as
am I. But I just feel that we would have
some clue, like a neighbor, if somebody was holding him,
Like there's some guy online claiming he's got Sebastian, and
Sebastian doesn't want to go home and he wants money,
that's the telltale sign right there. I don't believe that
(14:43):
for a moment, long story short, whatever has happened to him,
it's nothing good. Either someone is holding him and keeping
him from his home, or he's dead. Those are the
only two choices.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There is no doubt when you say that somebody is
now asking for money, that that's a sign not to
fool with that person. Because like when we were little,
we would ask our grandmother, Hey, you know, can we
help you in the garden for a quarter? And she
would jokingly say, why can't you be good for nothing
like your daddy?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That I think I said that first.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I think you did too. I remember it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Now. Okay, what are we going to talk about? Are
we going to talk about the preacher's wife? Yes? Please, Okay,
I know what they said. The official cause of death
is suicide. I'm just having a hard time taking that in.
I really am. Now there's a controversy people. We're talking
about Micah Miller, this gorgeous young preacher's wife. She met
(15:51):
him when she was fifteen. I think he was twenty three.
He was her youth pastor. You know, I don't know
what that was all about, but they end up get
married and she took on his five children stepchildren. I
know or have been told and I'm trying to confirm it.
Actually it's in the police reports that he's got a girlfriend.
(16:11):
His church just booted him because apparently Micah committed suicide.
Online she posted many many hosts about being in an
abusive relationship. She had a stalker, which many believed to
be the pastor who put a tracking device on her car,
slit her tires when the police were speaking to her,
(16:35):
he drove by. Now he's not named in the police
report that we can see. I think it's been redacted,
but by all accounts, that was the preacher. So it's
really hard for me to believe just out of the
blue she commits suicide. But she did call my one
one just prior to her death. Now, authorities replacing his
(16:59):
vehicle for an hour away. It's been caught on license grapper,
but his windows are tinted. I'd want absolute proof that
he was in that vehicle.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I've seen lots of statements that she supposedly made to
friends and all those and they're disconcerting to say the least.
But part of the issue for me is the way
he spoke about her from the pulpit. It was so negative.
And the last sermon that he posted, it's a video
(17:31):
of him talking and he's talking about phone calls that
are good news. Phone calls if somebody calls you and
said you've won the lottery, If somebody calls and says, hey,
we were wrong, it's not cancer. Then he goes on
to say I got a phone call last night that
my wife is.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Dead, and then told everybody that he didn't want to
talk about it and to basically leave in silence.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But to talk about phone calls that are good news
and then to go into one that should have been devastating,
it was just bizarre. But you know, again, he talked
about her mental illness, He talked about, you know, lots
of things that he kind of framed it like, well,
you know, women do this and men don't do that,
and you know she's good about you know, looking toward
(18:19):
the negative almost like everything he ever said about her
that I have seen in those videos is negative.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, and there was no emotion at all. I mean,
I can't even imagine anything happening to David and being
able to joke around and then just kind of like
work it into my conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Of course, a good defense attorney will tell you quote,
I've heard this so many times, there's no playbook for grief. Well,
maybe he was grieving with his girlfriend. I don't know.
I doubt it. I don't like it. I don't like it.
I don't like it, and I, along with family and friends,
I want proof. I want proof. I want to see
ballistics to find out the angle, the pathway of the bullet,
(19:05):
the trajectory path. I want to hear it all. I
want to find out if they did a GSR gunshut
residue on her hand? Was there any I want to
know at all. I want to find out where the
gun was found, everything, every detail, where her car doors
locked with the windows down? Where, why she was a
surveillance video? Was there survellance video going in and out?
(19:26):
Could anyone possibly have been with her? I want to
know at all, And I'm not going to rest till
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What I was going to say was, let's say she
did do it by her own hand?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Was she pushed? Okay? I brought that up on the air,
and I brought up the case of Michelle Carter. Do
you remember her and Conrad Roy. Conrad Roy was very
sensitive and I mean that in a good way. Young
man teen, and she pushed him him into committing suicide.
(20:01):
She was not there when he killed himself, but she
was on the phone with him, egging him on, basically sinking,
for Pete's sake, just go ahead and do it. Quit
talking about it. Yes, she said that, Gerald, You'll have
to discussed that many many times since that case she
was convicted. There have been other similar prosecutions. So I'm
just waiting to see if local prosecutors have the backbone
(20:23):
to check into that avenue.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I think the house of cards is going to fall.
I think there's more video. I think there's more people
that have information. One of the statements I read said
that she told her friend, if I'm found with a
bullet in my head, he did it. Well, that's what happened, Pardi, dammit.
So again, they've got to look at every single thing,
and I think you're going to find out, possibly from
(20:47):
the children's mother, some behavior. I think there's things that
he has not hidden, just like the girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know. I'm just wondering because, as I've told many,
a jury, a jury can consider actions before, during, and
after an offense. What is he doing today? What did
you do the morning after? I mean, I want to
know everything, and that goes. While we're at it again,
(21:14):
let me reiterate the official cause of death for Mica Miller,
the preacher's wife, is suicide. I still want more proof. Okay,
I'm not saying that's not true. I want to find
out why she committed suicide. Did anyone encourage her to
commit suicide? Was anyone there when she committed suicide? I
want to know all that too. Speaking of actions after
(21:38):
a crime, can we just talk about Barry Morphew for
one moment, who is not a person of interest or
suspect in the murder of his wife, Susanne. Yes, he
was arrested before those charges were dropped at the request
of the state. Since that time, her body has been found.
But I kind of reread that affidated. It's one hundred
and thirty pages long. But I'm pretty sure Cheryl McCollum
(22:00):
that after shu'se in goes missing, he then throws away
at five trash jumps. Five one behind a Macdolls, one
behind the Walmart, one at a bus station, five dumpsites
he throws away. He thinks he threw away all of
his animal tranquilizers that day. Wow, isn't timing everything?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Timing is everything? Isn't that what you're gonna do on
Mother's Day is gather up a whole bunch of trash
and drive to five different places. Because we all know
men are a to b people. I don't know anybody
that owned their own is gonna say Hey, I'm gonna
go to five dumpsters instead of just one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Exactly why the people turn into neat nicks when somebody
goes missing. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And he's also an animal expert all of a sudden
because he knew a mountain lion guiter and not a person.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know. Another thing is I brought on an expert
yesterday on the MSM Mary Street Media program. His name
is doctor Gray Stafford. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant zoologist. That bam BAM.
It's an abbreviation for three really long medications. It's what
they used to bring down Rhinoceros elephense, you know. And
(23:17):
that's what was And he had BAM, he had bam.
She was shot up with BAM. He threw away the
BAM and there was a dark gun cap in the dryer. Okay,
but still not a suspect, not m named a person
of interest. Okay, That's where I'm leaving that, not named
(23:38):
a suspect, not named a person of interest. There you go,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, we are going to pray for your little fella,
and we are gonna continue to celebrate Sheila, and we
are going to continue to stay on all three of
these cases.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, I think I'm being pulled off
the stage. I know when I'm not wanted.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Bye beautiful, Bye, honey God.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
At least get a discount on that T shirt and
I planned to wear it at the met gallon next year.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh, I can get you a T shirt. You just
stand by.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Can you just see us going up those steps? I mean, yes,
that's our real life.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That's what I should hate about it in the Daily Mail,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Speaking of that Nancy, I had somebody ask me one time,
do you and Nancy Grace just ride around in limousines
drinking champagne? And I said, absolutely, many vans trying to
hook Hey, we've had some good times in that minivan.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Girl tell it, talent, Cheryl, many more good times to come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Amen, buddy, I appreciate you. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this
is the Crime round Up with Zone saven
Speaker 3 (25:00):
No
It's the crime Round Up with the star of Merritt Street,
Nancy Grace. Y'all know her, y'all love her, But let
me tell you straight out of the gate, it's gratitude, baby, Nancy. Wednesday,
we got the call that my sister Sheila is in remission,
(00:29):
and I just again want to tell you, you know, all
the prayers, the phone call, that FaceTime shut up David,
all of it has just been so remarkable. But you
know Sheila, and she's got that wicked sense of humor.
So when we knew she had to go through six
(00:49):
chemo sessions, the four of us decided we're going to
do a theme for every session. So her fifth one,
which was Wednesday, was all New Orleans. Well, me and
Charlene and Hug's girlfriend Fernanda, we decided we're going to
throw in some voodoo dolls, just banashed them Hex's baby.
So when Sheila got to the doctor, she always takes
(01:12):
this little bag with her of all her favorite stuff.
So the doctor said, look, I'm looking at your pet scan.
It's gone. You are in remission. So Sheila's texting us
because she can't make a phone call from the doctor's office,
and I responded back to her, after all the crying
and celebrating, and I said, please tell me that when
(01:33):
the nurses and all were talking to you, you had
your voodoo dolls. She said, I had God and voodoo dolls.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, I just don't even know what
to say. I'm so overwhelmed with the news because you know,
I didn't expect good news. You know, when our line
of business, we always expect the worst to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You know.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I hope for the best, but here a brace for
the worst, and that when I get good news. I
swear to Cheryl, I think I cry more when I
get good news than when I get bad news because
it's you know, we don't get it that much in
our line of business. So I'm just going to keep
praising the Lord for that wonderful, wonderful news. And I
(02:21):
just wanted to tell you that I met a mom
and I'd like you to pray for her son, little
boy Gooner gu n n a R. He has something
called Burkett slimphoma and it created a huge mask impressing
in his heart, so he originally presented with heart failure.
(02:43):
He just had his fifth round of chemo and he
has had every side effect you can get. Now he's
got septicis, which is bacteria in the blood, and he
is having a really hard time fighting the infection and
the lim foma. And this little boy is just turned twelve, goonar.
(03:04):
So if you would just send up a prayer for him,
because you know, Cheryl, prayer does change things. It does.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
It works.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Of course. On the other hand, I thank God from
unanswered prayers because if I had got my prayers answered
the way I wanted them in high school, I would
be living in a double white in South Georgia right now,
and I.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Would never have become a crime fighter that said.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Awkward and upward, onward and upward, no offense to double whites.
Did never tell you. It makes me so mad when
somebody says trailer trash because my granny, that my grandmother
was Lucy Mama. Her mother, granny, smart lady. Her husband
was not one for work, Okay, he liked to go
(03:51):
to the courthouse and watch trials all day long while
granny worked. She bought a whole farm. And guess where
she got the money, Cheryl. She never got past third grade.
She got the money out of Mason jars. You know
that you can things in sure that she had planted
all around that property she was renting, and she went.
(04:12):
She dug up every single one. She paid for a
huge plot of land in Middle Georgia with cash and
worked it. But you know, built a big up well
in those days, a big home, but big enough for
her family and her parents to live in. It's not
a big home. In fact, people today would call it
very very small, but for them it was big because
(04:33):
they had three bedrooms. Okay, So anyway, you know, with
a tin roof at a clabord side, at a front porch.
But long story short, with her house started filling up
with all her children, my grandmother and her children, she
got a trailer and she pulled it up to the
(04:53):
side of that house and she went to live out
there on that farm that she had bought with cash,
and she lived there. It was silver, like an airstream
looking trailer. So I hear people say something about a trailer,
it just puts my teeth on edge.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
And hey, here's the deal, that double wide, whatever y'all
want to say about it, it's theirs. They earned it,
they worked for it.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
That's like Cheryl McCollum, Now, would we like to talk
about crime or my great grandmother? Which one you pick?
That's a hard call. It was a hard choice.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I think we probably could learn more listening to your grandma.
But I am going to move on because I do
want people to know something that's happened this week that
I think is extraordinary. And you people do not understand
the just three sixty way you work crime And they say, well,
we know her from TV and we know she's got
(05:47):
a show that ain't you. You are a boots on
the ground expert finding evidence testing crime fighter, and this
week you were no different than you've been since the
day I met you. What can we do to move
this thing forward? Who can we get, what can we
make somebody go through? And what you did this week
(06:07):
with the Sebastian Rogers case is you got the biological
father to take a polygraph and what that does for
the people that are going to be the naysayers you
can't even use that in court.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Let me tell y'all something.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
A polygraph is an extraordinary tool for law enforcement and
the only people that I know that refuse to take
one normally you should look at even harder for that crime.
So tell us a little bit about how that came
about and what the results were.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'll tell you everything, Okay. It took all my strength
not to respond to online haters and people that were
genuinely asking out of concern for Sebastian. Why won't Seth
take the polygraph? That's Seth Roger, Sebastian's biological father. Why
won't he take it? Why is he slack? Or what's
(07:00):
he hiding? All that time I knew he had already
gone to take one polygraph? Cheryl, the man is on
his last leg. I've spoken with his help person. I
don't know what else to call him, Tony, who was
trying to help him help his buddy through all this,
(07:22):
He says, Seth can hardly sleep. They have he both
of them have terrible dreams about Sebastian. It's just a
never ending ordeal for Seth Rogers. He hasn't found Sebastian,
you know. He wonders, is he dead or is he alive?
Where is he is? Somebody hurting him? Is somebody molesting him? Just?
(07:44):
Where is my boy? I can't even imagine. It just
makes me my stomach hurt to think about my son
or my daughter being gone. Anyway, so Seth went and
took the polly with the guy. It was incredible. The polygrapher,
who was the head of the FBI polygraphy unit, that's
(08:06):
who we found to do it outstanding. He was incredible.
That said. When Seth went the first time, he had
been up the whole night. He goes out looks at
night too, couldn't sleep, and all of this stress has
exacerbated gost some nerve in his back. So he took
(08:27):
prescribed let's say, gab of Penson and something else. Anyway,
when he got to the polygrapher, he could hardily, you know,
sit up straight. He was so out of it and
so tired. And the polygrapher said, look, man, we're going
to have to redo this again. Did that dissuade him?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
He left. He came back a week or so later,
and then he took the polygraph when he was bright
eyed and bushy tailed, and passed it with flying colors.
But I had to wait. I had to wait, and
I didn't want to put it out there. Well, he
couldn't take it the first time because I thought people
would attack him for that. But that is what has happened,
(09:06):
and that is what a former FBI polygrapher told me.
He told me in depth everything that happened, the entire
conversation about how he passed all the critical questions and
more so, Seth Rogers has passed a polygraph and as
many people why online, you can't introduce it into evidence. Actually,
you can introduce it into evidence in a criminal trial
(09:29):
in many jurisdictions if and only if both parties agree
or stipulate upfront prior to the polygraph being taken, that
it will come into evidence. That is true. In many,
not all jurisdictions, it rarely happens because you don't know
what's going to happen and you don't want to bring
in a result that would hurt your case. Because it's true,
(09:52):
polygraphs are not one hundred percent accurate. In civil cases,
they can be brought in much more easily, so they're
right the wrong. But like you, I think it's a
very good sussing out tool ferreting the truth. Somebody says, hell, no,
I'm not going to take a polygraph. I'm like, oh, let.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
Me, let me just bring the tracker dogs with the
warrant around your house, Because if somebody is like open,
like Mark classwaws and his daughter Polia went missing, He's like, Polly,
me take my fingerprints, take my DNA.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Search my house, search my home, search my car, do
whatever you want. Just find whoever took Polly. He would
do anything, and right then he didn't want to wait.
That tells me a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:37):
When you've got somebody asked questions like have you ever
wanted to hurt anybody? Did you hurt your son? Did
you have anything to do with his disappearance? Those are
solid questions. And if he doesn't vary in his response
and there's not any alerts that hey, this person is
being deceptive, that helps law enforcement. Let's stop dealing with
(10:58):
Mark Class and move on. That's important.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
And again I don't know any more about him than
I've learned through this case. But I asked him several
pointed questions about his ex, Katie Browdfoot and her new husband,
and he would not comment. He said, I want to
work with them to try to find Sebastian. I don't
want any bad blood. I want to work with them
(11:22):
so he will not say a bad word about them.
And I thoughts, you know, normally in this kind of situation,
X couples go crazy on each other.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Sure you know, and you're talking about since February twenty six,
that is a lifetime. I mean you talked about when
you lost John David for just a few minutes at
a store. Most parents have had that situation where you
turn and you don't see him for a split second.
Just what happens in seconds?
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Oh my stars, stop everything? Are you selling a T shirt?
Zone seven? Absolutely? I like that shirt? Wait a minute,
that was good? Is seven? That black teacher? Oh? My goodness?
And you know how to work at girl? Okay, go ahead.
(12:10):
I think I saw you at the Matt gala wearing
his own seven T shirt.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
That would be brilliant. Drape me and nothing of its
own seven wrapped around. I'm going that sounds great.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
You know again for.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Anybody listening that has you know, just wasn't able to
see your child for just a few seconds. You know
how you feel. So to your point, I mean, I'm
sure Seth is not even sane at times. He hasn't
been able to sleep, he hasn't been able to work,
he hasn't been able to be in his own home.
There's no rest because he doesn't know where his child is.
(12:43):
So I'm sure because you know you and I dealt
with Beth Holloway, and Beth told us sometimes you wake
up at four in the morning and everybody else is asleep,
and you're just so freaked and your skin is just
not even I can't remember exactly how she described it,
does Nancy, but remember how she set Her skin just
(13:03):
didn't even feel right on her body.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Her whole physically mentally, and her psyche, her soul.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
So you know, we have the umbrel or, we have searchers,
we have law enforcement going to different places. Still nothing,
no even small piece of evidence that shows where this
child went to and where he is at.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
Not a clue. And I find that very very probative.
In other words, it proves something that the tracker dogs
were not picking up his scent.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
You know, he's gone without medication. The mama says, he
doesn't have shoes with him, he would have no way
to get food and shelter. Nobody at school is seen him,
nobody has you know, helped him out in any way.
You're talking about a child that has never taken care
of hisself, even for an afternoon while his parents weren't there.
He's never ever taken care of hisself. I find it
(13:59):
hard to believe that he would be able to leave
that house in the darken night on his own and
leave no trail, leave no evidence. He's not called her
on a ring camera, he hasn't showed up asking somebody
for food. He hasn't showed up saying I'm cold. I
just it's really disconcerting. But I mean, I believe something
bad happened to that child.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Seth is still holding out hope that he's alive, as
am I. But I just feel that we would have
some clue, like a neighbor, if somebody was holding him,
Like there's some guy online claiming he's got Sebastian, and
Sebastian doesn't want to go home and he wants money,
that's the telltale sign right there. I don't believe that
(14:43):
for a moment, long story short, whatever has happened to him,
it's nothing good. Either someone is holding him and keeping
him from his home, or he's dead. Those are the
only two choices.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
There is no doubt when you say that somebody is
now asking for money, that that's a sign not to
fool with that person. Because like when we were little,
we would ask our grandmother, Hey, you know, can we
help you in the garden for a quarter? And she
would jokingly say, why can't you be good for nothing
like your daddy?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
That's so good.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That I think I said that first.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
I think you did too. I remember it.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Now. Okay, what are we going to talk about? Are
we going to talk about the preacher's wife? Yes? Please, Okay,
I know what they said. The official cause of death
is suicide. I'm just having a hard time taking that in.
I really am. Now there's a controversy people. We're talking
about Micah Miller, this gorgeous young preacher's wife. She met
(15:51):
him when she was fifteen. I think he was twenty three.
He was her youth pastor. You know, I don't know
what that was all about, but they end up get
married and she took on his five children stepchildren. I
know or have been told and I'm trying to confirm it.
Actually it's in the police reports that he's got a girlfriend.
(16:11):
His church just booted him because apparently Micah committed suicide.
Online she posted many many hosts about being in an
abusive relationship. She had a stalker, which many believed to
be the pastor who put a tracking device on her car,
slit her tires when the police were speaking to her,
(16:35):
he drove by. Now he's not named in the police
report that we can see. I think it's been redacted,
but by all accounts, that was the preacher. So it's
really hard for me to believe just out of the
blue she commits suicide. But she did call my one
one just prior to her death. Now, authorities replacing his
(16:59):
vehicle for an hour away. It's been caught on license grapper,
but his windows are tinted. I'd want absolute proof that
he was in that vehicle.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
I've seen lots of statements that she supposedly made to
friends and all those and they're disconcerting to say the least.
But part of the issue for me is the way
he spoke about her from the pulpit. It was so negative.
And the last sermon that he posted, it's a video
(17:31):
of him talking and he's talking about phone calls that
are good news. Phone calls if somebody calls you and
said you've won the lottery, If somebody calls and says, hey,
we were wrong, it's not cancer. Then he goes on
to say I got a phone call last night that
my wife is.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Dead, and then told everybody that he didn't want to
talk about it and to basically leave in silence.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
But to talk about phone calls that are good news
and then to go into one that should have been devastating,
it was just bizarre. But you know, again, he talked
about her mental illness, He talked about, you know, lots
of things that he kind of framed it like, well,
you know, women do this and men don't do that,
and you know she's good about you know, looking toward
(18:19):
the negative almost like everything he ever said about her
that I have seen in those videos is negative.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
I mean, and there was no emotion at all. I mean,
I can't even imagine anything happening to David and being
able to joke around and then just kind of like
work it into my conversation.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Now.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Of course, a good defense attorney will tell you quote,
I've heard this so many times, there's no playbook for grief. Well,
maybe he was grieving with his girlfriend. I don't know.
I doubt it. I don't like it. I don't like it.
I don't like it, and I, along with family and friends,
I want proof. I want proof. I want to see
ballistics to find out the angle, the pathway of the bullet,
(19:05):
the trajectory path. I want to hear it all. I
want to find out if they did a GSR gunshut
residue on her hand? Was there any I want to
know at all. I want to find out where the
gun was found, everything, every detail, where her car doors
locked with the windows down? Where, why she was a
surveillance video? Was there survellance video going in and out?
(19:26):
Could anyone possibly have been with her? I want to
know at all, And I'm not going to rest till
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
What I was going to say was, let's say she
did do it by her own hand?
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Was she pushed? Okay? I brought that up on the air,
and I brought up the case of Michelle Carter. Do
you remember her and Conrad Roy. Conrad Roy was very
sensitive and I mean that in a good way. Young
man teen, and she pushed him him into committing suicide.
(20:01):
She was not there when he killed himself, but she
was on the phone with him, egging him on, basically sinking,
for Pete's sake, just go ahead and do it. Quit
talking about it. Yes, she said that, Gerald, You'll have
to discussed that many many times since that case she
was convicted. There have been other similar prosecutions. So I'm
just waiting to see if local prosecutors have the backbone
(20:23):
to check into that avenue.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Well, I think the house of cards is going to fall.
I think there's more video. I think there's more people
that have information. One of the statements I read said
that she told her friend, if I'm found with a
bullet in my head, he did it. Well, that's what happened, Pardi, dammit.
So again, they've got to look at every single thing,
and I think you're going to find out, possibly from
(20:47):
the children's mother, some behavior. I think there's things that
he has not hidden, just like the girlfriend.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
You know. I'm just wondering because, as I've told many,
a jury, a jury can consider actions before, during, and
after an offense. What is he doing today? What did
you do the morning after? I mean, I want to
know everything, and that goes. While we're at it again,
(21:14):
let me reiterate the official cause of death for Mica Miller,
the preacher's wife, is suicide. I still want more proof. Okay,
I'm not saying that's not true. I want to find
out why she committed suicide. Did anyone encourage her to
commit suicide? Was anyone there when she committed suicide? I
want to know all that too. Speaking of actions after
(21:38):
a crime, can we just talk about Barry Morphew for
one moment, who is not a person of interest or
suspect in the murder of his wife, Susanne. Yes, he
was arrested before those charges were dropped at the request
of the state. Since that time, her body has been found.
But I kind of reread that affidated. It's one hundred
and thirty pages long. But I'm pretty sure Cheryl McCollum
(22:00):
that after shu'se in goes missing, he then throws away
at five trash jumps. Five one behind a Macdolls, one
behind the Walmart, one at a bus station, five dumpsites
he throws away. He thinks he threw away all of
his animal tranquilizers that day. Wow, isn't timing everything?
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Timing is everything? Isn't that what you're gonna do on
Mother's Day is gather up a whole bunch of trash
and drive to five different places. Because we all know
men are a to b people. I don't know anybody
that owned their own is gonna say Hey, I'm gonna
go to five dumpsters instead of just one.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Exactly why the people turn into neat nicks when somebody
goes missing. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1 (22:47):
And he's also an animal expert all of a sudden
because he knew a mountain lion guiter and not a person.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
You know. Another thing is I brought on an expert
yesterday on the MSM Mary Street Media program. His name
is doctor Gray Stafford. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant zoologist. That bam BAM.
It's an abbreviation for three really long medications. It's what
they used to bring down Rhinoceros elephense, you know. And
(23:17):
that's what was And he had BAM, he had bam.
She was shot up with BAM. He threw away the
BAM and there was a dark gun cap in the dryer. Okay,
but still not a suspect, not m named a person
of interest. Okay, That's where I'm leaving that, not named
(23:38):
a suspect, not named a person of interest. There you go,
there you go.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
Well, we are going to pray for your little fella,
and we are gonna continue to celebrate Sheila, and we
are going to continue to stay on all three of
these cases.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You know, Cheryl McCollum, I think I'm being pulled off
the stage. I know when I'm not wanted.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Bye beautiful, Bye, honey God.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
At least get a discount on that T shirt and
I planned to wear it at the met gallon next year.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Oh, I can get you a T shirt. You just
stand by.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Can you just see us going up those steps? I mean, yes,
that's our real life.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
That's what I should hate about it in the Daily Mail,
you know what.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Speaking of that Nancy, I had somebody ask me one time,
do you and Nancy Grace just ride around in limousines
drinking champagne? And I said, absolutely, many vans trying to
hook Hey, we've had some good times in that minivan.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Girl tell it, talent, Cheryl, many more good times to come.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Amen, buddy, I appreciate you. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this
is the Crime round Up with Zone saven
Speaker 3 (25:00):
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