February 28, 2024 • 33 mins
In this Legends episode of "Zone 7," Crime Scene Investigator Sheryl McCollum sits down with Joseph Twilley to discuss his career with the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS), protecting Navy and Marine Corps personnel, and assets around the world through criminal and counterintelligence investigations.
They discuss competitive recruiting and training to become an NCIS special agent, achieving a diversity of backgrounds, and balancing opportunities for service with a strong sense of purpose. Through anecdotes and reflections, listeners will gain a rare glimpse into the challenges and rewards of serving in a federal law enforcement agency dedicated to protecting the Navy and Marine Corps.
Joe Twilley is the Deputy Assistant Director of Recruitment and Retention for the Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS). With a career spanning over 19 years in law enforcement, Twilley has held various critical positions within NCIS, contributing significantly to counterintelligence and criminal investigations. Listeners can learn more about Joe on LinkedIn @Joetwilley.
Show Notes:
- [0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum
- [1:00] Sheryl gives a thorough background of today’s guest, Joe Twilley
- [4:45] Question: Can you walk me through a typical day for you?
- [7:30] What it takes to be a successful agent
- [9:15] Joe speaks to his rewarding experiences working at NCIS
- [13:00] What recruiters look for in new agents
- [13:25] “The pitfall of your success is going to be the excuse.”
- [16:30] The culture and camaraderie in NCIS
- [20:00] The Special Agent Afloat program
- [27:30] Aircraft carriers contain an entire small city
- [31:30] Reflections of Joe’s career
- [33:00] “No other agency has so broad and important a mandate. I look forward to being your colleague and to the collective mission. of protecting our way of life. God bless you and God bless the United States of America.” -S.C
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.
You can connect and learn more about Sheryl’s work by visiting the CCIRI website https://coldcasecrimes.org
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
My daddy was in the Navy. I know two things
about his service. One, he swam in the ocean on
Christmas Day. He used to love telling us five girls
about that, because it was never warm enough anywhere we
ever were to swim on Christmas Day. So he loved
that that he was in Hawaii and swam on Christmas Day.
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Number two, when he went ashore once and it was
time for him to get his tattoo with all of
his buddies, he said that he chose this little bitty
rooster on the inside of his calf, so that if
he was looking at you straight or you were behind him,
you couldn't see it. But he chose it because it
was the smallest sample the guy had on the wall.
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That was it. That's what I know. I know he's
there during the Cold War, but I don't know anything
else about his service. Y'all have watched the TV show,
you know, those crisp white uniforms, The Bravery. I'm talking
about the Naval Criminal Investigative Service ncis HONEY, the federal
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law enforcement agency that is responsible for the investigating of felonies,
preventing terrorism, and protecting the secrets of the Navy and
the Marine Corps. NCIS operate y'all in one hundred and
ninety one locations in more than forty one countries. We
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got the real deal tonight. Joseph Twilley is a highly
respected veteran in law enforcement. He currently serves as the
Deputy Assistant Director to NCIS at Quadico. He leads the
Recruitment and Retention Division now. He started his career in
criminal justice as a police officer on Maryland's Eastern Shore
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that was like in two thousand and five. Over the
last nineteen years, mister Twilly has held critical leadership positions,
including Supervisory Special Agent of counter Intelligence and Criminal Investigations
at Camp Lea June and Cherrypoint, both in North Carolina.
He also served as the Assistant Special Agent in Charge
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of counter Intelligence and Criminal Investigations at the Northwest Field
Office in Bangor, Washington. He filled essential positions as Acting
Special Agent in Charge of the Northwest Field Office and
Division Chief of Policy and Recruitment for NCIS. As the
Deputy Assistant Director of Recruitment, he identifies and enlists the
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next generation of these top tier special agents. He carries
out the agency's vital mission of protecting those that protect us.
Mister Twilly's a graduate of Eastern Shore Criminal Justice Academy
in Maryland and has completed advance training at the Federal
Law Enforcement Training Center and the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy,
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and has specialized courses that he has completed in crime
see investigation, interviewing, interrogation, and source operations. Throughout his NCIS career,
he has conducted critical counterintelligence and criminal investigations within the
United States and internationally. Since taking the helm of the
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Recruitment Division, mister Twilley has been instrumental in evaluating over
three thousand applicants and selecting the most promising individuals to
join the NCIS mission. Joe Twilley, it is an honor
for me to welcome you to Zone seven show.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's an honor for myself to be here as well,
and I appreciate this opportunity to talk about my agency,
my career, and my profession and recruiting for the next
generation of special agents with NCIS.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Walk me through a typical day for you.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, you know, it's changed a lot as you grow
within an organization, So my path has been quite fascinating
and winding. I have had the privilege of gaining exposure
to many interesting places and responsibilities over the year. It
started out in Protecting River Maryland, where I was the
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Research Development and Acquisition or Research Techno protection agent and
we were safeguard. I was safeguarding the critical assets alongside
dedicated Navy personnel. So what you do there is you're
protecting critical information for the Navy because that's the research
and development location for the Department of the Navy. So
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I always tell people it's not really what's on the
outside of accounts, it's what's on the end side, So
protecting those valuable systems within the Department of the Navy.
So from there I left and went to exotic locations
such as WAM in Dubai, and which gave me a
kind of invaluable global perspective.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now where did you grow up.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I grew up on the eastern shore of Maryland, Cambridge, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, So when you land in places like Dubai, are
you prepared culturally for what you're going to encounter? I mean,
do they get you ready to know once you hit
the ground what to expect?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
They do? So I actually went to a course that
taught the different aspects of that community, and to help
me better understand the diversity within that community so I
could be successful. It was definitely a far cry from Cambridge, Maryland,
from a guy who thought a big trip was going
over the Bay Bridge there on the eastern shore to
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the western shore.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I tell people about my job being a crime scene investigator.
One thing I love about it is it's never the same.
There's going to be something different every day your schedule,
in your workload on a daily basis. Are there surprises
for you still? Or you pretty much regimented you know
what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Obviously, I will tell you my first fifteen years with
the agency, they were not regimented at all. The days
they were not boring, and I could be working a
crime scene, I could be working a counter intelligence investigation.
I could be working a sexual assault or a death case,
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and that all could have been done that week. So
we work a variety of different crimes. Now, I will
tell you now that I'm the dad for recruitment and
retention of the organization. Still surprises me how many people
apply to the organization. Our last two applicant processes went
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from thirteen hundred when I first started to sixteen hundred
applicants within a five days within a five day period,
which is amazing. We've grown our internship program over one
hundred percent and it's a paid internship program. So there
is a variety in my day even as the deputy
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assistant director for recruitment.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And that tells you what your agency looks like to
the outside of civilian world. If that many people now
won't end and you're seeing this growth, and again, a
paid internship in college, you don't see that. On top
of you are looking for the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We are and we're getting that. It is very competitive
to come within our organization. We hire for about six
classes a year and in those classes, we have about
twenty four individuals for each class.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What kind of skills are y'all looking for? What is
going to make a successful agent for y'all?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, the good thing about us is we're not cookie cutter.
That we bring diversity to our workforce. We have folks
that have a cyber background, we have folks that have
the criminal justice broke background, and we have folks that
are nurses and social workers. They all have a commonality
and that's they want to serve that servant leadership mindset
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is so important within our organization. It really does not
matter what your background is.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
To me, diversity is key to solving crime. You can't
have you know, nine or ten people in the same
room with the same idea and the same thought process.
You've got to have other people bring in new ideas
and new ways to get to where y'all want to go.
I think that is brilliant on y'all's part.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Absolutely, and that's where we're unique to compare to some
other federal organizations. We will take you fresh out of college.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
How did you know this was the right career path
for you? So you're a police officer in Maryland, You're
doing the thing, you're loving it, and now you want
to go to the next level. When did you make
that decision? How did you make that decision that NCI
asked was for you?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I looked at several federal agencies and I said, what
do I really like to do? And it was investigations.
I was a detective in Maryland in Cambridge, Maryland before
I left, and I said, I still want to work
major crimes, major felony crimes, but I want to do
that on a national, federal and a worldwide level. So
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I applied within CIS. I did apply to other organizations.
One organization that I applied to said hey, you're going
to be gone one to eighty out of three hundred
and sixty five days, and I was newly married. I
didn't think that would be a good idea. So n
CIS the culture and the climate in CIS is what
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drove me to n CIS.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Now. Jackal Island, Georgia is one of my favorite places
on Earth. And you got to spend some time at
the training center in Brunswick at FLEXI tell us about
that experience for you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, the first thing that you do going down to Georgia,
going into that area is you will actually smell this
area and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Hey, a lying y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know, and it's a paper mill. So I just
was at the recent graduation and I asked them, I said,
do you know what that smell is? And they said, well,
that's a paper mill and I said, no, sir, it's not.
It is the smell of success. These folks have made it.
And going down to Fletzi and starting your class, you're
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in a situation is the that is the great equalizer
of our organization. All you're bringing to it is potential
At that point, That's what I loved about n CIS
or Fletsy at n CIS.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What a great way to put that. You know, of
all of your responsibilities as an NCIS agent, what's the
most rewarding for you day to day or in your career.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Look, I've had so many rewarding experiences with the agency
and it's really hard to define one time within the
organization that stands out. You know, this organization has done
so much for me. I mean in Guam, I got
the most expensive souvenir in Guam and that's called my Son.
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So we adopted in the Marshall Islands and I would
not have my family if it wasn't for this organization.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That might be the greatest answer I've ever heard when
I've asked any body in law enforcement, They're greatest reward.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You know, it truly is. And then now that I'm
in this position as a Deputy Assistant Director for Recruitment,
the title doesn't mean anything to me. It's really about
my legacy. At this point, I'm building out the next
twenty years of this organization, one that I love, one
that I think gave me purpose and pride.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You got any one case that stands out, something that
you know you helped solve.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would say one of more memorable case involved investigating
in a sailor's tragic overdose and I was the assistant
special Agent in charge and he odd on a carrier
and Jill, that's a big deal because obviously we have
a death of a sailor, but we don't know if
we have other fentanyl, potential fentanyl on that ship with
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a sailor using it as well. So that team that
I led that day worked this investigation. They identified the
drugs source proactively, they interrogated that cell phone, gained a source,
and we worked diligently to find who the dealer was.
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And he was a civilian dealer, and we conducted search
warrants and we seized the dad lead drug as well
as money and firearms. And that arrest probably saved a
lot of lives because there was many This gentleman had
a lot of drugs, a lot of fentanyl, and his residence.
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So we didn't just protect the Department of Navy and
our resources, we protected the civilians in our community.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
What a dangerous situation when you think of a naval
ship which is enclosed. I mean just think of it
as a ten can and you've got fentanyl on board
that could have been a catastrophe. You've got ventanyl that
can fit on the head of a dime that can
wipe out eight people. So I can't imagine a large
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amount on a naval shift. That was incredible work.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Again, these folks are dedicated to the mission, and you know,
I would put our agents up against any because these
folks care, they want to they want to do God's
work within our organization.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, y'all, We've got the recruiting man here and
I'm going to ask him if anybody is interested, Joe,
if you can just give him a tip, just an
insider tip on what you're looking for as a recruiter,
and maybe one tip about the training process.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, not a problem. I will tell you. The first
thing you do is your success is going to be
the excuse. So you need to go ahead and apply
and work hard with your background, whether it's an education,
looking to enhance your education through digital literacy or other courses,
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and be as competitive as you can possibly be. That
means having a GPA over three to zero. That means
looking at opportunities such as internships other careers that might
assist you in your overall goal. If you do that,
you have a excellent shot of being an NCIS agent.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The downfall is the excuse, and I agree with you.
If you don't have the GPA, then go get some
experience that's going to help them make yourself somebody they
want to look for.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, Cheryl, we won't talk about my GPA.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Honey, I would shut this whole system down if we
had to go talk about mine. I had a lot
of fun in college, but in class and where it
was happening, I'll tell you. But again, you can overcome that.
You can go and get specialized training, you can go
and get some experience and then come back and say, yeah,
at seventeen eighteen nineteen, I wasn't focused, I wasn't ready,
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but I am now. And you know to me that
speaks volumes too. So again, if you don't have the GPA,
don't give up. The man just told you your downfall
is going to be your excuse, So don't say, well
I don't have the GPA, that's it, and go on. No,
make yourself the person they need.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Absolutely, and look what you bring to the table. And
once you get there because I told you it was
a great equalizer at Fletsy. Is the attitude and effort
you're bringing potential, and our organization trains to retain, trains
for you to succeed, and really trains for you to lead.
That's what we do down in Fletsy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Is there anything you wish you had known ahead of
time before you started on this career path.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In the sense I had looked at what would make
me competitive and I realized rather quickly my GPA wasn't there,
and that I needed the experience. And I won't take
away anything from the experience I experiences I had as
a local law enforcement officer. There's men and women in Cambridge,
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Maryland and Salisbury, Maryland who I worked with, some of
the hardest and smartest folks I've workers I've ever met
and worked with, but dedicated, and that dedication just rings
true through the profession of law enforcement. So that was
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my journey, and my journey was to just make myself
a lot more competitive in order for me to get
my dream job, and that dream job was to be
a federal agent with n CIS.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And now I want to talk about one of the
most important things to me in my career, and Joe,
I'm sure it is for you too. Talk a little
bit about the culture there. You've already mentioned the culture,
but talk more specifically about it and specifically the camaraderie
in this field.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The culture and climate is something that we look at
in every organization, and if you don't have that culture
that you want to be a part of, then you're
going to look for another organization. And I tell folks
that said, you know, people leave agencies for three reasons.
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One is bad bosses and whether this organization, I'm never
going to tell you it can't lie to you. You
might run into a bad boss. But the good thing
about our organization is we're very mobile. It's in our DNA,
So either the boss leaves or you can leave. The
second thing I will tell you is opportunities. People leave
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because of opportunities, and I'm going to tell you right
now in CIS as a of opportunities. Whether you want
to work cyber, whether you want to work fraud, counterintelligence,
or be a polygrapher, there's tons of opportunities. And lastly,
people leave because of purpose, and our organization has a
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lot of purpose. We protect the best dagon Navy in
the world. That is our purpose to protect our people,
protect the protectors. And I tell you that climate and
that culture is no better than this organization I'm working
with right now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So when you're talking about protecting the Navy and the Marines,
it's a pretty big job.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Jo, it is, and we have over twelve hundred agents
doing that. Now, everybody thinks we're a lot bigger, We're not, y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
No matter what question I've thrown at him, you hear
how even he is, how calm he is. That's what
you want. That's the main You won't in charge, not
so that's going to be real dramatic or real freaked
out about something, or even too excited. You want that
even keel. So I'm digging the way you're talking because
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I just see you almost mission ready, Like give it
to me. I'm good. Whether it's an investigation, keeping these
secrets or going in there and protecting the protectors. Do
you work on the cold cases that come through?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we have a cold case group and it's out
of our headquarters office in Quanako, Virgina, and they do
work cold cases. We have several cold cases that we
investigate and recently, we've had some success stories as well.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Now, Joe, I've heard about a float program. Would you
please tell everybody what that is? Because I want this
job bad.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah. So if you want to be a chief of police,
then you need to sign up and do the special
Agent and float program with our organization. It's a highly
sold after program. You end up being the chief of
police if you will on an aircraft carrier or a
big deck amphibious assault vessel and you ride out and
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you're in locations with that carrier group. So right now,
if we're in the golf from which we are, that's
where our agent is. If that carrier group is going
to go into port, that's where the agent is. If
one of our sailors or a marine folks get injured
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or hurt, that carrier agent's responsible for it. They're responsible
for all criminal investigations, all counter intelligence investigations on that ship.
They're the ones who look for additional resources or call
for additional resources when needed. So in essence, you are
the sheriff, You're the Texas ranger on.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That That sounds like the most incredible opportunity to serve
in law enforcement that I've ever heard. I didn't even
know that was a thing until recently because of you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is highly sought after and a lot of folks
that have done it talk about how rewarding it was
and how they have now got a better understanding of
the Department of the Navy and what they do and
their strategic plans and outlooks. It is a critical and
vital role that we serve within our organization.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you know, you've talked about protecting the sailors and
the Marines, but you also protect their families.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's correct. I mean, especially in an overseas environment. We
might be the only federal agency in that overseas environment.
So everybody talks about overseas law enforcement, Well, FBI has
what they call yats, and it's a very small footprint
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within the FBI. You only have one or two in
a consulate or embassy, but we're there in a lot
of places other law enforcement's not.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And you're there in a role that law enforcement normally
is not because you don't have one single mission. You
will have a multi tiered mission at all times. So
it's not just terrorism and protecting secrets and protecting the protectors,
but now you also have their families. So in that scope,
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if you're the one that's on board the ship, you're
the chief of police, are you also doing crime prevention
like given information and education before they go ashore to
make sure they know where they're stepping into.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Absolutely. So, in every location that we enter into, there's
a threat assessment on that location. So we're providing the
best practices. We're providing them the security outlook and preparation
that they need to be safe. We're paving the way
for any interaction that we're going to have with law
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enforcement or potentially have with law enforcement. We're talking to
hotels that our sailors might be staying at. We're talking
again with ourly you know, we're conducting liaison, if you will,
with all different folks from that particular area. We have
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to be practitioners in our soft skills.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
How many folks are owned an aircraft carrier?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It all depends, but I will say it's a small city.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's a small city. So you have a small city
of majority of young people eighteen to twenty five, let's say.
And in my head, when my son went off to
an SEC school and joined the fraternity and was going
to live in the fraternity house, I'm like, what can
go wrong? You know, a house full of young men
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eighteen to twenty two with no parents. That sounds like
a fabulous recipe for a great time in his life.
But now you're telling me you have a whole city
of those same young men and women that are going
to dock in a foreign country they have never been to,
and you are there to protect them too. That is
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a job that I have not thought about. I thought
about y'all protecting our country. I thought about you protecting
our you know, servicemen and women if they're accused of
a crime, or arresting them if they're involved in a crime.
But I haven't thought about them going ashore to have
a good time and have to give them information quickly
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to say this is the country you're now in. Be
aware of these twenty five things. Joe my gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, it's again. It's you know, understanding that culture is
truly important. Fortunately, we have a very professional navy. Not
saying that some folks don't get in trouble, because they do,
and they we wouldn't be here they didn't, But largely
we have a very professional navy and our folks act accordingly.
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For us. It is. We're a jack of all trade
in news positions. So we are paving the way to
make sure that they actually have a R and R
that is uneventful. And if for some reason they get
in trouble, sometimes we can't arrest our way out of trouble.
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We have to talk through the problem and get them
out of that situation.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, I'm going to say that to my son from
now on, I want you to have an R and
R that is uneventful.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Here's another thing that it was so unusual for me
when I first saw your table because I'm like in
CIS and like, from a distance, my daughter was like,
is that the show? And I was like, it can't be.
And then as we got closer, of course it was
the real n CIS and Joe. The way you spoke
to us, and the way you talked to Caroline specifically
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because she's in school right now for criminal justice and
you professionally yet just person to person with such confidence
and such ease, was telling her about the different careers
and things like that, and you asked her what she
was interested in, and you know, her natural gifts and
how they could be applied to you know, help keep
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us safe worldwide. It was an unbelievable thing to watch,
And as a parent, if you had asked me when
they were ten or eleven and twelve, I'd be like, no,
I don't want them end the service is dangerous. Talking
with you that day, I encouraged her to get recruited
because I just felt like this was such a honorable
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and distinguished group. But you also made it seem like
y'all were such a team. She was going to be
safe as she could possibly be doing any type of
work in law enforcement. So I thought crime Con is
such a brilliant place for y'all to be because there's
so many true crime fans that maybe have not found
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their way yet, tons of criminal justice students, tons of
professionals that might be looking to make a change. I
thought it was just genius that y'all were there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, thank you for that. You know the podcast that
I listened to they talk about crime Con, and I said, man,
what a great place to go and recruit folks that
actually care that listen to true crime. Maybe just maybe
I can get them off their couches if that's what
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they are doing, and or steal some nurses. Because I
met some of those when I was there, or social
workers and get them to be an n CIS agent
our work with n CIS and support our war fighter
because we have other obviously other jobs which besides being
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a special agent. So I thought that was you know,
I thought that would be a great place to look
for potential talent, and it did not fail me being there,
I obviously met you and so many other people, and
we've we've really had an uptick in applications because of
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that event. And from what I hear, we were the
first federal law enforcement agency to go to that event.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
First one, absolutely yep, because again I think somebody had
to look at it like you did, put to an
four together, because that's what was not happening, even from
the side of crime con I don't know that they
ever thought this is going to be a recruiting event
for law enforcement. But it's right there. It's almost so
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obvious you miss it. But like I said, when we
were there, when Caroline and I walked away from the table,
the two of you represented so well, and again as
an American citizen, you walk away just full of pride
because again, the TV show is great and I am
all for TV highlighting anything the FBI in cis CSI.
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I'm all for it because that's where young people first
get excited about doing our job. So I have people
come up to me all the time and say, man,
I was watching this show and the crime zine investigator
had a Porsche and then she worked with all these
really sexy detectives and then they solved everything in site.
Is it really like that? And I'm like, yes, honey,
it's exactly like that, you know, because because if you
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can be excited, stay excited, you'll figure out later. You
don't get a Porsie baby, but some of the other
stuff is true. You get to work with phenomenal people
and you will solve some major things that you will
be so excited to tell your grandchildren one day. And
you have pride in what you do and Joe that
comes through you when you talk to you for thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Look, I want to generate excitement, but it's my excitement.
And my approach to recruitment is easy because I like
what I do. I love my organization. If you didn't
like what you do, it would be work. I don't
go to work, and we change my approach to my
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career path being a detective and local law enforcement gave
me a lot of background knowledge and understanding of the law.
It gave me experiences that made me a better federal investigator,
federal law enforcement officer, you know. And I'll say that
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n CIS is much like that local law enforcement. The
culture here genuinely cares for personal for all personnel. It
grows families, and it fosters lifelong memories. And you know,
I will tell you my closest friends are fellow agents
within this organization. You know. And I'll tell you I'll
miss the mission and excitement upon my retirement in the next
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couple of years. But it's really it's the uh, it's
the outstanding people I work with. We all talk about
you might we won't miss the circus, but we'll miss
the clowns. I'll miss the I'll miss the clowns.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I
always do with a quote. No other agency has so
broad and important and mandate. I look forward to be
in your colleague and to the collective mission of protecting
our way of life. God bless you, and God bless
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the United States of America. Sean Coffee Department of the
Navy's chief legal officer and head of the Office of
the General Council. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is z
Own seven.
My daddy was in the Navy. I know two things
about his service. One, he swam in the ocean on
Christmas Day. He used to love telling us five girls
about that, because it was never warm enough anywhere we
ever were to swim on Christmas Day. So he loved
that that he was in Hawaii and swam on Christmas Day.
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Number two, when he went ashore once and it was
time for him to get his tattoo with all of
his buddies, he said that he chose this little bitty
rooster on the inside of his calf, so that if
he was looking at you straight or you were behind him,
you couldn't see it. But he chose it because it
was the smallest sample the guy had on the wall.
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That was it. That's what I know. I know he's
there during the Cold War, but I don't know anything
else about his service. Y'all have watched the TV show,
you know, those crisp white uniforms, The Bravery. I'm talking
about the Naval Criminal Investigative Service ncis HONEY, the federal
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law enforcement agency that is responsible for the investigating of felonies,
preventing terrorism, and protecting the secrets of the Navy and
the Marine Corps. NCIS operate y'all in one hundred and
ninety one locations in more than forty one countries. We
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got the real deal tonight. Joseph Twilley is a highly
respected veteran in law enforcement. He currently serves as the
Deputy Assistant Director to NCIS at Quadico. He leads the
Recruitment and Retention Division now. He started his career in
criminal justice as a police officer on Maryland's Eastern Shore
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that was like in two thousand and five. Over the
last nineteen years, mister Twilly has held critical leadership positions,
including Supervisory Special Agent of counter Intelligence and Criminal Investigations
at Camp Lea June and Cherrypoint, both in North Carolina.
He also served as the Assistant Special Agent in Charge
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of counter Intelligence and Criminal Investigations at the Northwest Field
Office in Bangor, Washington. He filled essential positions as Acting
Special Agent in Charge of the Northwest Field Office and
Division Chief of Policy and Recruitment for NCIS. As the
Deputy Assistant Director of Recruitment, he identifies and enlists the
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next generation of these top tier special agents. He carries
out the agency's vital mission of protecting those that protect us.
Mister Twilly's a graduate of Eastern Shore Criminal Justice Academy
in Maryland and has completed advance training at the Federal
Law Enforcement Training Center and the Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy,
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and has specialized courses that he has completed in crime
see investigation, interviewing, interrogation, and source operations. Throughout his NCIS career,
he has conducted critical counterintelligence and criminal investigations within the
United States and internationally. Since taking the helm of the
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Recruitment Division, mister Twilley has been instrumental in evaluating over
three thousand applicants and selecting the most promising individuals to
join the NCIS mission. Joe Twilley, it is an honor
for me to welcome you to Zone seven show.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's an honor for myself to be here as well,
and I appreciate this opportunity to talk about my agency,
my career, and my profession and recruiting for the next
generation of special agents with NCIS.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Walk me through a typical day for you.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Well, you know, it's changed a lot as you grow
within an organization, So my path has been quite fascinating
and winding. I have had the privilege of gaining exposure
to many interesting places and responsibilities over the year. It
started out in Protecting River Maryland, where I was the
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Research Development and Acquisition or Research Techno protection agent and
we were safeguard. I was safeguarding the critical assets alongside
dedicated Navy personnel. So what you do there is you're
protecting critical information for the Navy because that's the research
and development location for the Department of the Navy. So
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I always tell people it's not really what's on the
outside of accounts, it's what's on the end side, So
protecting those valuable systems within the Department of the Navy.
So from there I left and went to exotic locations
such as WAM in Dubai, and which gave me a
kind of invaluable global perspective.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Now where did you grow up.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I grew up on the eastern shore of Maryland, Cambridge, Maryland.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Okay, So when you land in places like Dubai, are
you prepared culturally for what you're going to encounter? I mean,
do they get you ready to know once you hit
the ground what to expect?
Speaker 2 (05:36):
They do? So I actually went to a course that
taught the different aspects of that community, and to help
me better understand the diversity within that community so I
could be successful. It was definitely a far cry from Cambridge, Maryland,
from a guy who thought a big trip was going
over the Bay Bridge there on the eastern shore to
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the western shore.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I tell people about my job being a crime scene investigator.
One thing I love about it is it's never the same.
There's going to be something different every day your schedule,
in your workload on a daily basis. Are there surprises
for you still? Or you pretty much regimented you know
what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Obviously, I will tell you my first fifteen years with
the agency, they were not regimented at all. The days
they were not boring, and I could be working a
crime scene, I could be working a counter intelligence investigation.
I could be working a sexual assault or a death case,
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and that all could have been done that week. So
we work a variety of different crimes. Now, I will
tell you now that I'm the dad for recruitment and
retention of the organization. Still surprises me how many people
apply to the organization. Our last two applicant processes went
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from thirteen hundred when I first started to sixteen hundred
applicants within a five days within a five day period,
which is amazing. We've grown our internship program over one
hundred percent and it's a paid internship program. So there
is a variety in my day even as the deputy
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assistant director for recruitment.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
And that tells you what your agency looks like to
the outside of civilian world. If that many people now
won't end and you're seeing this growth, and again, a
paid internship in college, you don't see that. On top
of you are looking for the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
We are and we're getting that. It is very competitive
to come within our organization. We hire for about six
classes a year and in those classes, we have about
twenty four individuals for each class.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
What kind of skills are y'all looking for? What is
going to make a successful agent for y'all?
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Well, the good thing about us is we're not cookie cutter.
That we bring diversity to our workforce. We have folks
that have a cyber background, we have folks that have
the criminal justice broke background, and we have folks that
are nurses and social workers. They all have a commonality
and that's they want to serve that servant leadership mindset
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is so important within our organization. It really does not
matter what your background is.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
To me, diversity is key to solving crime. You can't
have you know, nine or ten people in the same
room with the same idea and the same thought process.
You've got to have other people bring in new ideas
and new ways to get to where y'all want to go.
I think that is brilliant on y'all's part.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Absolutely, and that's where we're unique to compare to some
other federal organizations. We will take you fresh out of college.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
How did you know this was the right career path
for you? So you're a police officer in Maryland, You're
doing the thing, you're loving it, and now you want
to go to the next level. When did you make
that decision? How did you make that decision that NCI
asked was for you?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I looked at several federal agencies and I said, what
do I really like to do? And it was investigations.
I was a detective in Maryland in Cambridge, Maryland before
I left, and I said, I still want to work
major crimes, major felony crimes, but I want to do
that on a national, federal and a worldwide level. So
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I applied within CIS. I did apply to other organizations.
One organization that I applied to said hey, you're going
to be gone one to eighty out of three hundred
and sixty five days, and I was newly married. I
didn't think that would be a good idea. So n
CIS the culture and the climate in CIS is what
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drove me to n CIS.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Now. Jackal Island, Georgia is one of my favorite places
on Earth. And you got to spend some time at
the training center in Brunswick at FLEXI tell us about
that experience for you.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Well, the first thing that you do going down to Georgia,
going into that area is you will actually smell this
area and.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Hey, a lying y'all.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
You know, and it's a paper mill. So I just
was at the recent graduation and I asked them, I said,
do you know what that smell is? And they said, well,
that's a paper mill and I said, no, sir, it's not.
It is the smell of success. These folks have made it.
And going down to Fletzi and starting your class, you're
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in a situation is the that is the great equalizer
of our organization. All you're bringing to it is potential
At that point, That's what I loved about n CIS
or Fletsy at n CIS.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
What a great way to put that. You know, of
all of your responsibilities as an NCIS agent, what's the
most rewarding for you day to day or in your career.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Look, I've had so many rewarding experiences with the agency
and it's really hard to define one time within the
organization that stands out. You know, this organization has done
so much for me. I mean in Guam, I got
the most expensive souvenir in Guam and that's called my Son.
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So we adopted in the Marshall Islands and I would
not have my family if it wasn't for this organization.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That might be the greatest answer I've ever heard when
I've asked any body in law enforcement, They're greatest reward.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
You know, it truly is. And then now that I'm
in this position as a Deputy Assistant Director for Recruitment,
the title doesn't mean anything to me. It's really about
my legacy. At this point, I'm building out the next
twenty years of this organization, one that I love, one
that I think gave me purpose and pride.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
You got any one case that stands out, something that
you know you helped solve.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
I would say one of more memorable case involved investigating
in a sailor's tragic overdose and I was the assistant
special Agent in charge and he odd on a carrier
and Jill, that's a big deal because obviously we have
a death of a sailor, but we don't know if
we have other fentanyl, potential fentanyl on that ship with
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a sailor using it as well. So that team that
I led that day worked this investigation. They identified the
drugs source proactively, they interrogated that cell phone, gained a source,
and we worked diligently to find who the dealer was.
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And he was a civilian dealer, and we conducted search
warrants and we seized the dad lead drug as well
as money and firearms. And that arrest probably saved a
lot of lives because there was many This gentleman had
a lot of drugs, a lot of fentanyl, and his residence.
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So we didn't just protect the Department of Navy and
our resources, we protected the civilians in our community.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
What a dangerous situation when you think of a naval
ship which is enclosed. I mean just think of it
as a ten can and you've got fentanyl on board
that could have been a catastrophe. You've got ventanyl that
can fit on the head of a dime that can
wipe out eight people. So I can't imagine a large
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amount on a naval shift. That was incredible work.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Again, these folks are dedicated to the mission, and you know,
I would put our agents up against any because these
folks care, they want to they want to do God's
work within our organization.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
You know, y'all, We've got the recruiting man here and
I'm going to ask him if anybody is interested, Joe,
if you can just give him a tip, just an
insider tip on what you're looking for as a recruiter,
and maybe one tip about the training process.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Yeah, not a problem. I will tell you. The first
thing you do is your success is going to be
the excuse. So you need to go ahead and apply
and work hard with your background, whether it's an education,
looking to enhance your education through digital literacy or other courses,
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and be as competitive as you can possibly be. That
means having a GPA over three to zero. That means
looking at opportunities such as internships other careers that might
assist you in your overall goal. If you do that,
you have a excellent shot of being an NCIS agent.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
The downfall is the excuse, and I agree with you.
If you don't have the GPA, then go get some
experience that's going to help them make yourself somebody they
want to look for.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Yeah, Cheryl, we won't talk about my GPA.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Honey, I would shut this whole system down if we
had to go talk about mine. I had a lot
of fun in college, but in class and where it
was happening, I'll tell you. But again, you can overcome that.
You can go and get specialized training, you can go
and get some experience and then come back and say, yeah,
at seventeen eighteen nineteen, I wasn't focused, I wasn't ready,
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but I am now. And you know to me that
speaks volumes too. So again, if you don't have the GPA,
don't give up. The man just told you your downfall
is going to be your excuse, So don't say, well
I don't have the GPA, that's it, and go on. No,
make yourself the person they need.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Absolutely, and look what you bring to the table. And
once you get there because I told you it was
a great equalizer at Fletsy. Is the attitude and effort
you're bringing potential, and our organization trains to retain, trains
for you to succeed, and really trains for you to lead.
That's what we do down in Fletsy.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Is there anything you wish you had known ahead of
time before you started on this career path.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
In the sense I had looked at what would make
me competitive and I realized rather quickly my GPA wasn't there,
and that I needed the experience. And I won't take
away anything from the experience I experiences I had as
a local law enforcement officer. There's men and women in Cambridge,
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Maryland and Salisbury, Maryland who I worked with, some of
the hardest and smartest folks I've workers I've ever met
and worked with, but dedicated, and that dedication just rings
true through the profession of law enforcement. So that was
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my journey, and my journey was to just make myself
a lot more competitive in order for me to get
my dream job, and that dream job was to be
a federal agent with n CIS.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
And now I want to talk about one of the
most important things to me in my career, and Joe,
I'm sure it is for you too. Talk a little
bit about the culture there. You've already mentioned the culture,
but talk more specifically about it and specifically the camaraderie
in this field.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The culture and climate is something that we look at
in every organization, and if you don't have that culture
that you want to be a part of, then you're
going to look for another organization. And I tell folks
that said, you know, people leave agencies for three reasons.
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One is bad bosses and whether this organization, I'm never
going to tell you it can't lie to you. You
might run into a bad boss. But the good thing
about our organization is we're very mobile. It's in our DNA,
So either the boss leaves or you can leave. The
second thing I will tell you is opportunities. People leave
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because of opportunities, and I'm going to tell you right
now in CIS as a of opportunities. Whether you want
to work cyber, whether you want to work fraud, counterintelligence,
or be a polygrapher, there's tons of opportunities. And lastly,
people leave because of purpose, and our organization has a
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lot of purpose. We protect the best dagon Navy in
the world. That is our purpose to protect our people,
protect the protectors. And I tell you that climate and
that culture is no better than this organization I'm working
with right now.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
So when you're talking about protecting the Navy and the Marines,
it's a pretty big job.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Jo, it is, and we have over twelve hundred agents
doing that. Now, everybody thinks we're a lot bigger, We're not, y'all.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
No matter what question I've thrown at him, you hear
how even he is, how calm he is. That's what
you want. That's the main You won't in charge, not
so that's going to be real dramatic or real freaked
out about something, or even too excited. You want that
even keel. So I'm digging the way you're talking because
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I just see you almost mission ready, Like give it
to me. I'm good. Whether it's an investigation, keeping these
secrets or going in there and protecting the protectors. Do
you work on the cold cases that come through?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So we have a cold case group and it's out
of our headquarters office in Quanako, Virgina, and they do
work cold cases. We have several cold cases that we
investigate and recently, we've had some success stories as well.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Now, Joe, I've heard about a float program. Would you
please tell everybody what that is? Because I want this
job bad.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah. So if you want to be a chief of police,
then you need to sign up and do the special
Agent and float program with our organization. It's a highly
sold after program. You end up being the chief of
police if you will on an aircraft carrier or a
big deck amphibious assault vessel and you ride out and
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you're in locations with that carrier group. So right now,
if we're in the golf from which we are, that's
where our agent is. If that carrier group is going
to go into port, that's where the agent is. If
one of our sailors or a marine folks get injured
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or hurt, that carrier agent's responsible for it. They're responsible
for all criminal investigations, all counter intelligence investigations on that ship.
They're the ones who look for additional resources or call
for additional resources when needed. So in essence, you are
the sheriff, You're the Texas ranger on.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
That That sounds like the most incredible opportunity to serve
in law enforcement that I've ever heard. I didn't even
know that was a thing until recently because of you.
Speaker 2 (22:12):
It is highly sought after and a lot of folks
that have done it talk about how rewarding it was
and how they have now got a better understanding of
the Department of the Navy and what they do and
their strategic plans and outlooks. It is a critical and
vital role that we serve within our organization.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
And you know, you've talked about protecting the sailors and
the Marines, but you also protect their families.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's correct. I mean, especially in an overseas environment. We
might be the only federal agency in that overseas environment.
So everybody talks about overseas law enforcement, Well, FBI has
what they call yats, and it's a very small footprint
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within the FBI. You only have one or two in
a consulate or embassy, but we're there in a lot
of places other law enforcement's not.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
And you're there in a role that law enforcement normally
is not because you don't have one single mission. You
will have a multi tiered mission at all times. So
it's not just terrorism and protecting secrets and protecting the protectors,
but now you also have their families. So in that scope,
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if you're the one that's on board the ship, you're
the chief of police, are you also doing crime prevention
like given information and education before they go ashore to
make sure they know where they're stepping into.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Absolutely. So, in every location that we enter into, there's
a threat assessment on that location. So we're providing the
best practices. We're providing them the security outlook and preparation
that they need to be safe. We're paving the way
for any interaction that we're going to have with law
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enforcement or potentially have with law enforcement. We're talking to
hotels that our sailors might be staying at. We're talking
again with ourly you know, we're conducting liaison, if you will,
with all different folks from that particular area. We have
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to be practitioners in our soft skills.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
How many folks are owned an aircraft carrier?
Speaker 2 (24:37):
It all depends, but I will say it's a small city.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
It's a small city. So you have a small city
of majority of young people eighteen to twenty five, let's say.
And in my head, when my son went off to
an SEC school and joined the fraternity and was going
to live in the fraternity house, I'm like, what can
go wrong? You know, a house full of young men
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eighteen to twenty two with no parents. That sounds like
a fabulous recipe for a great time in his life.
But now you're telling me you have a whole city
of those same young men and women that are going
to dock in a foreign country they have never been to,
and you are there to protect them too. That is
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a job that I have not thought about. I thought
about y'all protecting our country. I thought about you protecting
our you know, servicemen and women if they're accused of
a crime, or arresting them if they're involved in a crime.
But I haven't thought about them going ashore to have
a good time and have to give them information quickly
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to say this is the country you're now in. Be
aware of these twenty five things. Joe my gosh.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Yeah, it's again. It's you know, understanding that culture is
truly important. Fortunately, we have a very professional navy. Not
saying that some folks don't get in trouble, because they do,
and they we wouldn't be here they didn't, But largely
we have a very professional navy and our folks act accordingly.
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For us. It is. We're a jack of all trade
in news positions. So we are paving the way to
make sure that they actually have a R and R
that is uneventful. And if for some reason they get
in trouble, sometimes we can't arrest our way out of trouble.
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We have to talk through the problem and get them
out of that situation.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Well, I'm going to say that to my son from
now on, I want you to have an R and
R that is uneventful.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
That's so.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Here's another thing that it was so unusual for me
when I first saw your table because I'm like in
CIS and like, from a distance, my daughter was like,
is that the show? And I was like, it can't be.
And then as we got closer, of course it was
the real n CIS and Joe. The way you spoke
to us, and the way you talked to Caroline specifically
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because she's in school right now for criminal justice and
you professionally yet just person to person with such confidence
and such ease, was telling her about the different careers
and things like that, and you asked her what she
was interested in, and you know, her natural gifts and
how they could be applied to you know, help keep
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us safe worldwide. It was an unbelievable thing to watch,
And as a parent, if you had asked me when
they were ten or eleven and twelve, I'd be like, no,
I don't want them end the service is dangerous. Talking
with you that day, I encouraged her to get recruited
because I just felt like this was such a honorable
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and distinguished group. But you also made it seem like
y'all were such a team. She was going to be
safe as she could possibly be doing any type of
work in law enforcement. So I thought crime Con is
such a brilliant place for y'all to be because there's
so many true crime fans that maybe have not found
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their way yet, tons of criminal justice students, tons of
professionals that might be looking to make a change. I
thought it was just genius that y'all were there.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Well, thank you for that. You know the podcast that
I listened to they talk about crime Con, and I said, man,
what a great place to go and recruit folks that
actually care that listen to true crime. Maybe just maybe
I can get them off their couches if that's what
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they are doing, and or steal some nurses. Because I
met some of those when I was there, or social
workers and get them to be an n CIS agent
our work with n CIS and support our war fighter
because we have other obviously other jobs which besides being
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a special agent. So I thought that was you know,
I thought that would be a great place to look
for potential talent, and it did not fail me being there,
I obviously met you and so many other people, and
we've we've really had an uptick in applications because of
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that event. And from what I hear, we were the
first federal law enforcement agency to go to that event.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
First one, absolutely yep, because again I think somebody had
to look at it like you did, put to an
four together, because that's what was not happening, even from
the side of crime con I don't know that they
ever thought this is going to be a recruiting event
for law enforcement. But it's right there. It's almost so
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obvious you miss it. But like I said, when we
were there, when Caroline and I walked away from the table,
the two of you represented so well, and again as
an American citizen, you walk away just full of pride
because again, the TV show is great and I am
all for TV highlighting anything the FBI in cis CSI.
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I'm all for it because that's where young people first
get excited about doing our job. So I have people
come up to me all the time and say, man,
I was watching this show and the crime zine investigator
had a Porsche and then she worked with all these
really sexy detectives and then they solved everything in site.
Is it really like that? And I'm like, yes, honey,
it's exactly like that, you know, because because if you
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can be excited, stay excited, you'll figure out later. You
don't get a Porsie baby, but some of the other
stuff is true. You get to work with phenomenal people
and you will solve some major things that you will
be so excited to tell your grandchildren one day. And
you have pride in what you do and Joe that
comes through you when you talk to you for thirty seconds.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Look, I want to generate excitement, but it's my excitement.
And my approach to recruitment is easy because I like
what I do. I love my organization. If you didn't
like what you do, it would be work. I don't
go to work, and we change my approach to my
(31:47):
career path being a detective and local law enforcement gave
me a lot of background knowledge and understanding of the law.
It gave me experiences that made me a better federal investigator,
federal law enforcement officer, you know. And I'll say that
(32:08):
n CIS is much like that local law enforcement. The
culture here genuinely cares for personal for all personnel. It
grows families, and it fosters lifelong memories. And you know,
I will tell you my closest friends are fellow agents
within this organization. You know. And I'll tell you I'll
miss the mission and excitement upon my retirement in the next
(32:32):
couple of years. But it's really it's the uh, it's
the outstanding people I work with. We all talk about
you might we won't miss the circus, but we'll miss
the clowns. I'll miss the I'll miss the clowns.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
I'm going to end Zone seven the way that I
always do with a quote. No other agency has so
broad and important and mandate. I look forward to be
in your colleague and to the collective mission of protecting
our way of life. God bless you, and God bless
(33:06):
the United States of America. Sean Coffee Department of the
Navy's chief legal officer and head of the Office of
the General Council. I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is z
Own seven.
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