2024 Week 7 Recap

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we welcome comparisons to Brett
Farv at least on the field. I'm Greg Rosenthal. I'm
in the Chris Westling podcast studio. I'm right next to
Patrick Claybahn. I'm looking at the beautiful, big old mug
of Nick Shook. Beautiful in Cleveland. He's smiling despite what's

(00:29):
been a tough day for a tough weekend, rather for
Cleveland sports fan. How you doing, Nick Shook?

Speaker 2 (00:35):
I'm good. You know I got to see all three
Alcs games live in his person.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Wow time.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Okay, you saw some great baseball games, but this isn't
about baseball, and yes, I'll get to the whole. Like
Brett Farr, Jordan love comparison. It's got Greg hot that
we were talking about before they.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
Came fired up about your tweets.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
But I was especially enjoying this one o'clock window on
the East coast ten o'clock on the West coast. On paper,
we had two of the best games I thought of
the year. Would they deliver, Oh, yes they would. Let's
start in Minnesota.

Speaker 4 (01:08):
So here we go.

Speaker 5 (01:09):
One place separates the Lions from first place. After all that,
Donald's gonna work out of the gun. Final play of
the game, barring a penalty, Donald takes the snap back
looking rush Cone.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
Do Donald down. This game is over, Trevor.

Speaker 6 (01:25):
Nlwaski with the sack, George. Detroit Lions are in first place. Oh,
Trevor Nulwaski. Big play, my man in a game.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Full of them.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Trevor Nwaski hadn't heard of that young man before Sunday,
but I have heard of Dan Miller. W X why
t It was a defensive play that finished off a
thirty one to twenty nine victory by the Detroit Lions,
A game that featured a little bit of everything. Some

(01:59):
great rushing, some great quarterbacking, yes, some big time defensive plays,
great catches by some of the best receivers in the game,
and a great ending authored Patrick Claybon by Jared Goff.

Speaker 7 (02:14):
Jared Golf Almost did it again, Greg almost did it again.
I'm looking at the stat sheet we're calling the game
on Game Day Live nineteen of nineteen in the third quarter,
and I'm like, when we come.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
Back, we'll see if Jared Goff keeps this perfect game going.

Speaker 7 (02:27):
You can put that on me, Lions fans, because the
very next pass got tipped to the line of scrimmage
and knocked out. But that's the type of day it was.
The Minnesota Vikings could not get off of the field.
We talk all week, especially me, I'm hyping up the
Brian Flores defense because they have been an issue for
everybody in the league. They blitzed on a season high
fifty five point two percent of Jared Goff's drop back. Oh,

(02:49):
that's high, all those dropbacks. He was thirteen of fifteen
fo one hundred and sixty three and a touch. Wow,
Jared golf laser like right now. And there were a
spot for criticism towards the end of the game, Dan Campbell.
There's a minute and thirteen seconds left. They are in
field gold range and Dan Campbell elects to kneel it

(03:11):
out and have the kickbe not the final play of
the game because there was still gonna be fifteen seconds
on the clock afterwards, but he sends Baits out there
has faith in Baits, who after the game was talking about,
you know, I'm looking for jobs. I'm on indeed, like
I'm working at car dealerships. I know I would be
here answering questions. He puts that thing in the back

(03:31):
of the net and the Lions win. But a dicey
end of game situation. But how much, Dan Campbell, could
we possibly be other than having faith in Baits? Yes,
and then in a Hail Mary's situation watching what the
Buffalo Bills did against Aaron Rodgers and saying, no, I'm
Dan Campbell, Aaron send the house.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah it's send five.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Yeah, that was amazing by Flores. The strategy. We'll get
to that in a second. And you mentioned Baits who
was training to be a brick salesman. You don't just
become a brick salesman. You got to build that, you know, education,
brick by brick to get there. Let's listen to Dan
Campbell after the game.

Speaker 8 (04:10):
Just a great team win, complimentary football across the board, offense, defense,
special teams when we need it most, and really proud
of these guys. That's a huge win on the road,
tough environment first one when you don't want to say
must win. But we needed that.

Speaker 3 (04:24):
In a bad way.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Interesting wording there, you know that they needed it in
a bad way. Maybe maybe he's thinking about like how
that game was going. You know, they lost Aden Hutchinson
though that was an emotional loss, and they were trailing
in this game ten to nothing early. Then you get
a twenty eight to seventeen lead entering the fourth quarter,
you give up the lead, and so maybe that's how

(04:47):
he was feeling that that would have been a really
heartbreaking loss. But no goff drives him down at the end.
And yet too much faith in Jake Bates there, who's
been a little up and down this year. And you
would have liked it to just finish the game the
way their offense was playing. But you don't get criticized
too much if you win. It's interesting on the other
side that they were setting up for a potential long

(05:09):
field goal and they got a penalty before that last
play we just listened to from Dan Miller. It would
have been a sixty eight yard field goal attempt for
how do you say any name Will Riicherd. Reikert is awesome.
Reikert is one of the best kickers in the league
right off the bat, and they say he's got that
distance to go sixty eight, that he's hit seventy. They

(05:31):
thought seventy three was too much, so that that strategy
by Campbell almost you know, came back to haunt them.
Sam Darnold like just took too much time on the
play before. But yeah, Nick, the thing I'll take away
from this game is what Patrick of course led with
because he's such a talented broadcaster, he knows to go
right to the mill the nuts of it all. Just understeal,

(05:53):
it's Goff, it's Goff out smarting Flories Goff and Ben
Johnson for the third, there's eight time saying whatever you're
throwing at us, it's not gonna work. The old idea
of that you can blitz Goff into submission, that's not
gonna work. And his numbers under pressure were really good too,
because they did get plenty of pressure and he made
it happen with a number of really nice throws and

(06:14):
good decisions.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, let's not overlook the fact that he plays behind
one of the better offensive lines in the NFL as well,
And it was very clear on what I thought was
his best decision of the day, the touchdown passed to
Amen ros Saint Brown down the middle where he looks left,
the blitz is in his face. They've sent like five
or six guys and they all run into it. Just
a brick wall of an offensive line. He looks left, resets,
sees him down the scene, and then puts the ball

(06:36):
perfectly on him. That's who Jared Goff is right now
and when he has time to throw and when he's comfortable,
and that's why we're seeing these peak results. And make
no mistake, they needed every single one of those completions
in this game because this was an all out war.
You go from being down ten to nothing to then
all of a sudden you're up fourteen to ten. Then
you'll lose the lead again in the second half. You're
on the road, the place is loud, they're blaring that
obnoxious horn, and you need a win over your division

(06:58):
rival to move into first place. This is I totally
see why Dan Campbell said it was a win that
they needed. I mean, this is a they don't need
a turning point. But this was a statement win. And
they came off a blowout last week. Not all of
them are gonna be blowouts. This is a real test
and they passed.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, Patrick, tell me how the Detroit defense looked, because look,
the Vikings get their first touchdown after a fake punt
fate fail by Minnesota and then they hit him for
a quick long run by Aaron Jones, who is back
for this game, who really helps out their offense, and
they get another touchdown on the Ivan Pace fumble return

(07:33):
with about six minutes to go, which really felt like
it's swung the whole game. But offensively that that means
they only allowed one other touchdown the Lions, like what
was it when Minnesota had the ball? Like, what did you.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
See Minnesota was?

Speaker 7 (07:48):
It was a lot of Justin Jefferson had seven catches
on seven targets for eighty one yards. I well, seven
eight targets because that one towards the end was kind
of didn't know Sam Ardi was looking for Jordan Adison
or Justin Efferson who was one of those high throws
from Darnold. But this defense continues to really be without
and we've only seen this is the first game without
Aiden Hutchinson. Wait for Brian Branch to make a play

(08:12):
and it's almost since his very first game in the
NFL where he picks off Patrick Mahomes where you've seen
God's kind of running the wrong way. Carlton Davis had
a punch out that got called back ultimately, but Brian
Branch consistently in the right spot. Terry On Arnold didn't
have a lot of those pass interference calls that he
had all season. But essentially this team thirty two is

(08:35):
the playmaker and everybody else. They played a lot of
man today. It was ten point five percent higher than
at this point last season. A lot of man against
the Minnesota Vikings, which is tough to do. Consider Justin
Jefferson has a thousand yards in his career right in
just eight games against this Detroit Lions.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Team, and Jamiir Gibbs pops off for a couple of
long runs. He's been waiting to have some long runs
this season, and he ends up going fifteen for one
to sixteen and two touchdowns. But just a good football game.
And now the onus is sort of on Minnesota. They
lost this game, but it just sets up all these
NFC North matchups at the top of this division are

(09:13):
going to be so good. I was gonna say the
Vikings are now going to have to win in Detroit,
and like, maybe that's true, but Green Bay's in this race,
and uh, Chicago's in this race, Like who knows what
are gonna be the big games at the end of
the season. Let's move on to the Super Bowl. Rematch
that happened in Santa Clara. Take it away, Mitch Holts fourteen.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
Seventeen to go in the game Kansas City fourteen, San
Francisco twelve, fourth down, less than a yard for a touchdown.
Mahomes takes the snap and wants to throw it. He'll
step up into the pocket. Tag on the play comes
is into the end zone. Touchdown, Chansas City. Patrick Mahomes

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get this one, his first rushing touchdown since Christmas Eve
of twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Patrick Mahomes trucks Malik Mustafa on the goal line and
then he stares at him. I think he was staring
at him because Mustafa wouldn't let go of his leg.
I think he was just absolutely stunned that he was
put on highlight reels for at least the rest of
the week. You know that's gonna be on angry runs,
maybe for the rest of Mahomes' career, because there aren't
many plays where Patrick Mahomes runs over one of the

(10:29):
toughest players in the NFL. That was Mitch holtus As
I said, WDAF, the Chiefs take care of business twenty
eight to eighteen. As the weeks where on and now
I put them second in the show because they're the
only undefeated team left. Vikings have that loss, it doesn't

(10:50):
even matter, Like if you have a bad game out
of Patrick Mahomes with a couple interceptions, you can win
in so many different ways. And the Chiefs get better
and better every week. And that's sort of my biggest
takeaway Nick that like, yeah, the passing game is going
to have some issues, but you can't look at this
team now in week seven and not say, man, they

(11:12):
look like a better team than they were in week
two in week three, so to me, they're no longer
winning ugly. They were just winning playing good football. And yeah,
you got to fix the turnover problem, but to me
it feels a little fluky in terms of Mahomes's interceptions.
They got the job done today.

Speaker 2 (11:30):
I mean, it depends on how you define ugly, because
those who like defensive battles say it's beautiful. Those who
like offensive showdowns will say this one was ugly. It
wasn't the prettiest, but it speaks to where the Chiefs
are right now. We've been down this road before. We
were here last season doubting the Chiefs down the stretch.
They don't have enough weapons, they're not putting it together.
They go on a hot streak, they win the Super Bowl.
They're getting hot earlier than they did last year. They're

(11:51):
so hot they're still undefeated. But it's the fact that
they can win a game where Mahomes throws two picks
because their defense is so good. They forced three picks
on brock Purty and have the entire forty nine offense
in hell. And that's the sign of a complete team.
At the team that's obviously won two straight Super Bowls.
They know how to get it done, even on the road,
and they come in there when their quarterbacks not having
the best day, but he still contributes by trucking somebody
on the goal line. You get three and a half

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yards of carry, which isn't great out of Kareem Hunt,
but it's enough to steady them. He scores two touchdowns
and you walk away with an emphatic victory that statistically
doesn't look great, but it doesn't matter because you keep
stacking those wins.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Right, It's a game where there's five interceptions no touchdowns
by brock perty and Patrick Mahomes, And it was a
reminder for what I saw when I did a Super
Bowl rewatch. At some point it was in training camp,
and there was a reminder that that was like a
very defensive game. I mean, yeah, the forty nine Ers
defense played more than well enough to win the Super Bowl,

(12:43):
and the Chiefs defense obviously did too, and then both
quarterbacks had really heroic moments. It was a great game
back and forth. This was not a great game back
and forth. This was two really good defenses and an
efficient Chiefs offense. So I got some next gen stats?

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Going into this week, the Chiefs actually were second in
the league in terms of success rate, behind only the Lions,
who actually had the highest success rate of any team
since two thousand and six, which is crazy. So the
Chiefs are second in the league in success rate. So
they're very efficient. When people, I think sometimes commentators overuse

(13:22):
the word efficient, it just means like they're not that
good sometimes, But it's true. The Chiefs are really efficient,
and yet they have the second lowest explosive play rate
in the entire NFL. So it's what your eyes are
telling you. They are just a slow moving offense. Their
run game actually this season had the lowest explosive rate

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play rate since two thousand and six, which is outrageous.
They just can't pop like a ten to fifteen yard run. Now,
this game was a little different. Mahomes he had the
rushing touchdown, and I thought that maybe the biggest play
in the game was where he ran along the sideline
when it was very much still up in doubt and
he did that voodoo where he fakes the pass when
he's passed the line of scrimmage and the linebacker falls

(14:05):
forward anyways, and he ends up with thirty three yards
down the sideline. That's an explosive run. You got a
twenty yard run from Nicole Hardman, you had a nice
seamball to Noah Gray, and Sabaji p Ryan had a
like a screen pass that went for twenty two. That
counts as explosive. So they had a couple more big
plays today, and yet it's still is a struggle. Travis Kelce,

(14:28):
you know, doesn't have a big day. Five targets, only
seventeen yards, and I just look at this running game.
Cream Hunt goes twenty two for seventy eight. They picked
up the yards when they needed it, and it's like, like,
I guess they don't need more. I don't know like,
I don't know what to make of it. My thought
is Patrick that they like they'll figure out how to
get more in the end, and for now they don't

(14:50):
need more.

Speaker 7 (14:50):
Well, it's almost like, so they get that one rushing
attempt for Xavier Worthy coming back around and it's like, okay,
well here's here's the explosive opportunity. Right, it gets five
yards And if it's not Exavier Worthy, then then what
are you You're relying on late stage Kareem Hunt to
make a play.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Maybe it's Patrick Mahomes doing the.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Do Mahomes had Worthy wide open deep and overthrew. That
was surprising on one play and then they use you
know on that play you mentioned it Worthy. He got
hit so hard. It's something that Bomani Jones said that
stuck with me on his podcast, just like he didn't
think Xavier Worthy would was like just wait enough to
be a regular NFL player like this and I and

(15:28):
that that hit made me wonder. Sometimes you do think, like, man,
this guy cannot take too many hits. He's gonna have
to be careful.

Speaker 7 (15:34):
Well, and I think one thing they could be contextualized there,
Musifer's hit a lot of people.

Speaker 3 (15:38):
Yeah, very hard.

Speaker 7 (15:39):
He's trying to cover and hit Patrick Mahomes at the
same time, like coming back at the goal line like that.
That's tough to do, yes, And so like I it's
a wonder as a one to one comparison because there
were blockers and Husifer eluded to blockers, and all of
a sudden he's in Worthy's face and it's like, you know,
he's not necessarily trying to to run somebody over at
that point. It's it's it's going to be a slog,

(16:01):
right for case, It's gonna feel like a slog, like
I scoffed it.

Speaker 3 (16:04):
You guys, you had I think Cynthia picked twenty eight points.

Speaker 7 (16:07):
You picked twenty five points in this game, and I'm
thinking the Chase aren't scoring that many points against San Francisco. No,
they just, as you pointed out efficient twenty two first downs.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
I mean, they just go out there and get yards.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
That number says it like what I was just saying,
twenty two first downs but only three hundred and twenty
nine yards in eight for fourteen on third down. They've
just sort of figured out situational football right now. They
have a couple turnovers and let's be real it's it's
about the defense. They played press coverage today on sixty
percent of their snaps, their highest rate of the year.

(16:41):
They did not allow a completion on those press coverage snaps,
oh for five. At first, I was thinking, like, how
did Purty only get off five snaps if they're playing
that on But it's because he was scrambling around, because
he's throwing interceptions, because he's he's taking some sacks, not
a ton of sacks, but Carl Loftis had a big
one and had a big quarterback hit in a big spot,

(17:02):
and they just didn't value what they were looking at
on the other side of the football. And that brings
us to the biggest takeaway from this game, which is
that Brandon Ayuk left with a knee injury and Kyle
Shanahan said that he fears it's a torn ACL. Generally,
when they say that, that means the initial tests are

(17:22):
it's a torn ACL, but the MRI that they do
that night or the next day can sometimes tell a
different story that has happened. It's not too often and
that obviously would be just a devastating blow for Brandon
Ayuk and this forty nine ers team. They also were
without Deebo Samuel for almost this entire game. He was

(17:43):
listed with an illness late It was not on the
injury report, but he had something come up over the weekend.
It was also a weekend where Diana Rassini of the
Athletic throughout there that he's a name to watch in
trade talks, which I found interesting. I can't imagine that
would be the case if Brandon Ayuk is out for

(18:04):
the season, because they certainly need Deebo Samuel. Jacob Cowen
stepped in this game. Ricky Piersoll, played for the first
time as a pro, caught three passes. Cowen was pretty explosive,
but yeah, like one of those three pretty interceptions Nick
was throwing to Ronnie Bell, where Ronnie Bell just looked
like he was going the wrong way. The other two

(18:24):
interceptions were pretty ugly, just one bad throw by Purdy
and one of his worst games I would say as
a pro, and another bad throw where he was getting
hit at the same time but as Tom Brady liked
to point out, like he didn't know where he was looking. Anyways.
Tom Brady was very hard on Brock Purty in this game,
and I got to admit, Chuck I liked it.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
Yeah, that clip I already saw twice where Tom Brady's
just like, even if he gets a clean throw off,
I don't know where he's going. Brock Purtty is the
tendency to have these days against good defenses occasionally. But
the whole Deebo Samuel idea that he could be traded,
it just blows my mind because as soon as you
take him out of the game, and especially when I
have Christian McCaffrey, you realize that you've lost the key
to that unlocks this offense. Why would you even consider

(19:06):
tossing the key in the river for whatever you might
get out of it like that? Just that makes no
sense to me at all. And if Ike's down like
we think he is, I feel like that's going to disappear,
because he's absolutely an essential part, especially if they don't
have IU.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
I think they'd only do it depending if they believe
they need something else on their team that they could
get us back this year for Deebo that they could
get back. And I hear what you're saying, Nick, and
I think it's true with Auk out of the lineup,
but he's just been up and down getting them and
maybe there's there's more to the story that then we
really know that they would consider that it might just

(19:39):
be about the contract, but I'm with you, it doesn't
make any sense. Juwan Jennings was also out for this
game with an injury, so they were just really shorthanded,
and Jordan Mason did play despite his shoulder injury, came
up short from a couple of touchdowns. They did not
run the ball well for most of the game. Popped
a couple like in the second half, but for the
most part it was their defense just hanging on.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Try.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I kind to keep a minute, But Kyle Shanahan, he
just must feel like like he's got a Kansas City
Chiefs problem and he's sick of it.

Speaker 10 (20:08):
There's no way to sugarcoat that.

Speaker 2 (20:09):
We got our ass kick today.

Speaker 10 (20:11):
Lots of reasons for it, but those are things that
they don't need to sit and think about today.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
We'll dress all those tomorrow.

Speaker 10 (20:17):
We'll get together, we'll go through the truth of the
whole tape and you know, be hard on each other
and find a way to put it to bed so
we can come out here and make sure we put
our best foot forward and find a way to get
a win versus.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Allis three and four on the season. The forty nine
ers are just not having a good time right now.
That that under wins total I took in the over
under wins total draft. I'm tracking these. That's pretty good
right now. You know what, who else is looking good?
Jordan Love? Let's go to Lambo off the left hash
for the pattern.

Speaker 4 (20:47):
Eleven years out of Temple. Brandon McManus Super Bowl winner with.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
Denver Packards along the sidelines.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Hand in hand. Here's the snap, Love, Snap, It's been made.

Speaker 11 (21:00):
Kicked to the upright, Yes, God, Yes, God, breen.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
By the Packers, pep one.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Brandon McManus. Forty five yard field goal.

Speaker 12 (21:14):
Who welcome to Free's.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Bay, Wayne Laravie and w R and W Yes Brandon
McManus speaking of setting up kickers, Yo, in a spot
that maybe you're having a little too confident in your kicker.
The Packers took a lot of time setting that field
goal up and were bailed out, frankly, not just by McManus,

(21:39):
but by Romeo Dobbs, who made a fantastic catch. Was
it on third down? I don't even know, but over
the middle on a slant to set up that forty
five yard field goal. Yes McManus, the new kicker for
the Packers on a day that Jordan Love made some
of the most beautiful throws that you'll ever see. And

(22:02):
he had a couple interceptions as he's wont to do.
Hence the far of comparisons. We'll get to that in
a minute. But my thing Nick watching this was I
saw one quarterback. There's two of my favorite young quarterbacks
in league to watch, two top ten quarterbacks already in
my mind and in your mind, I believe in the
QB Index, that's where they're at. I saw one young

(22:25):
quarterback who's getting supported by good offensive land line play.
That's Jordan Love, by a good running game really that's
both of them, and by excellent scheme guys getting open,
the right talent around him, and cohesion in terms of
being able to pick up the free blitzers, pick up stunts,

(22:46):
and being put up in a situation to succeed. That's
Jordan Loff ended up with three touchdowns two hundred and
twenty yards on the day. On the other side, I
saw a quarterback in CJ. Stroud that is not being
said up to succeed when he's dropping back ten for
twenty one eighty six yards, and you could put some
of that on Stroud, but he was under pressure practically

(23:10):
every snap. It looked like their offensive line has never
seen a stunt in their life, unblocked defenders on every
other play and then running the ball. Yeah, you can
see that. Joe Mixon had a lot of big runs
and did have a nice day, but they had a
ton of negative runs and a ton of run stuffs.
They ran the ball on first down nine out of
ten times after halftime, So predictable play calling, terrible offensive

(23:33):
line play, And to me, that was really the difference,
because I think both of these quarterbacks were game. They
both had great two minute drives at the end of
the game to you know, really set up their teams
to win. Stroud had a ridiculously good pass to put
them ahead on a field goal that was before that
field goal drive. But it was one sided to me
in terms of the schematics, in terms of the offensive coaching.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, and that explains the extreme emphasis on the run,
which is that the Texans and other offensive line is
no good when it comes to pass protection, and the
only way to keep a defense honest is to get
the run. Game going, which is why they're turning to
that so often. But the book is out on them.
I hate to say it, but the book is out
of them. It's been out on them since that Viking's lost.
They can't pass protect CJ has been dealing with chaos
all season. He does not look like he's playing with
the same comfort, not because of him, but because of

(24:17):
the offensive line that he did last year. So everything
around him kind of falls apart because they have a
lot of weapons around him. They got a lot of talent.
Joe Mixon had a nice day, but he's not supported
in the same way, like you said, So he's being
asked to be a hero because he has no other choice.
And that's how you get a stat line in a
game like this, you know, against the defense that has
recognized that. I go back to the Vikings game because
we know Brian Flores loves the blitz. Well, this game,

(24:38):
it's not even so much that they needed to blitz,
it's just the fact that they're getting pressure regardless. They
blitzed five times and they still got, you know, a
pressure rate of nearly fifty percent. That speaks to your
offensive line. You're setting your quarterback up for failure. No
matter how good he is, he still needs time to throw.
So that's the achilles heel on them. That's the weakness
that people probably aren't paying attention to. That are going
to pay attention to it now because they lost a
game like this.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
They simulated the pressure on because I could have sworn
they were blitz in the whole game. I'm glad you
did that, but they were showing blitz and Halfley Jeff Hafley,
their defensive coordinator, got a game ball after the game.
I watched the postgame locker room thing, and it was
a lot of simulated pressure and a lot of confusion.
And as good as the run game looks on paper,

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their success rate was very low. Joe Mixon still only
thirty six percent six run stuff so negative, a lot
of run negative runs that put them in tough situations.
And give credit to the Packers defense, which was flying
around and they really should have won this game by more.
They lost the turnover battle three to nothing. They were
being put in a bad spot once in the red

(25:38):
zone a special teams fumble by Green Bay and then
twice on those Jordan Love interceptions, and the defense really
stood up tall and won the game.

Speaker 3 (25:46):
Yeah, it was, and it wasn't the traditional muffkick.

Speaker 7 (25:49):
It was Balentine, one of the up guys, just kind
of being you know, it's one of those Peter Peter
Peters situations like, hey, watch.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Off for the football fire fire And no he didn't
ball hits him. Texans able to recover that.

Speaker 7 (26:01):
But but again, Packers defense stands up and you know,
you guys talked about pressure when they actually did get pressure,
not a simulated pressure, when they actually got pressure on CJ. Stroud,
he was three of nine with a forty eight point
four passer rating. That was the type of circumstances he
was in. But yeah, Jordan Love was it was feast
or famine. That was what Mark Ross was saying while

(26:23):
we're watching this game on Game Day Live. It was
either going great for the Packers and Jordan Love is
throwing this dime getting past the fingertips of a defender,
or it's gone absolutely horrible. And on the final drive,
Jordan Love threw a fade away yolo ball to Tom
Davian Wicks that could have easily got picked off and
they could have lost the game, leading to you know,

(26:43):
some conversation about a.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Certainly that the one over the middle, you mean, yeah,
in the end zone. That was a perfect play to
bring up because it was like one inch away from
being a huge gainer, yeah, and not getting tipped in
a really nice but one inch, but it was tipped,
and then it was like one inch away from getting
intercepted and would have been his third interception on the
I mean, you're not kidding about the boom and buss.
He had the two interceptions. They also had one two

(27:07):
four to three and outs and a four and out.
So like, this was a game that had a little
bit of everything. I think it was a really good game.
A lot of off you know, not a lot of
offense total yards wise. In fact, in the second half
there was a sequence where Texans punted four straight times
and the Packers punted three straight times. And yet there

(27:28):
were some beautiful throws by Jordan Love. The touchdown to
Wicks was awesome. The dime to Tucker Craft over the
middle was just a beautiful throw and a catch. That's
one where I want to see the end zone angle
because I just know it's going to be so pretty.
Josh Jacobs ran really well. Joe Mixon is reborn, is
running really hard when he gets a little bit of

(27:50):
a lane. It was awesome c J Stroud for everything
I said that he struggled, like the throw he had
to Xavier Hutchinson, which would have been our highlight to
start the game. It was on a third and long,
totally under pressure, ended up getting the Texans even closer
for their field goal, but also killed the clock and
took away the Packers. I mean, that was c J.

(28:11):
Stroud in a nutshell.

Speaker 12 (28:13):
It was.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
It was a little bit of everything. It was a
fun game. These two teams are five and two. And
as I mentioned at the top of the show, and
I guess as Mark Ross was saying, yeah, Jordan Love
is getting a lot of these Brett Fav comparisons and
Matt Lafleur doesn't want to hear him.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Hopefully we can put him in better situations so he's
not throwing, you know, picks, So all you talking heads
out there can ease on the Brett Farv comparisons.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Okay, Now, now even Lafleur is jumping in, and I
see this on Packers Twitter. All these Packers fans are like,
oh no, he's another Farv, Like oh he's another Fuff
are you are you? Are you crazy? This man won
three straight mvbs. I'm not talking about Brett Favre the man.
I'm talking about Brett Favre the player. If you could
tell me or Packers fans that you're gonna get Brett

(28:58):
Farv's career right now, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer,
Like I said, like, what are the best players in
the league for most of his career? What are we
talking about here?

Speaker 7 (29:09):
Yeah, you take that, you take that every opportunity. But
I don't know if that's the context. I don't know
if that's the context.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
They're saying, Yeah, he's taking a lot of chances, so
he's throwing a lot of picks, Like yeah, that's okay,
Like sometimes picks aren't like the total end of the world. Oh,
the total package is working. And I'm just saying, like
people are using it like a slur when he's in
all time great literally three straight mbps. He's the only
person to ever do that.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
Nick Schuck, Yeah, he'll he'll break past that if he
can actually get rid of the tendency. Because the reason
the reason the Packers fans feel this way is because
they saw the first half of last season and they
saw himself destruct and make, you know, try throws that
would kill drives where they just need to get in
field goal range and stuff like that. If he actually
shakes it off over the long haul and wins games
like this, even with a pick or two, then you'll

(29:56):
take it because the results will follow, like they did
with Brett Farvis. Just we're so early in of course
they're going to throw.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
It, but it's worth it. I love it. It's entertaining,
it's it's just crazy, like people over eight interceptions. Just
a little bit. I was listening to the Joe Flacco
on Chris Longs a green Light podcast, and Flacco was
talking about last year with the Browns, just like, hey,
he's too old to worry about interceptions. He's trying to win,
and I know what he meant, like, sometimes being aggressive

(30:22):
is worth it. And when you're Jordan Love, now is
that time all right? Before we move on from this game,
I do just want to hear Stefan Diggs talk about
his rivalry with Dayr Alexander. They got into a pregame
shoving match, and this just made me happy. Credit here
to Chancellor TV on Twitter.

Speaker 13 (30:39):
I always walking to the locker room in the beginning
of the game when I heard somebody chirping, and I'm
never the bigger person. So that's about myself, or for
a minute, so I'm never a bigger person. I ain't
let you go.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
You know.

Speaker 13 (30:53):
Obviously they picked it up or whatever, but I ain't
with the football talk, guys, is what it is.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
Put it on the wall. I love person.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's going on a quote graphic and it's gonna have
some it's gonna do numbers.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Ultimately, I absolutely love it. Yeah, he wasn't. I mean,
these these two teams were fighting all day long. It
was like a rivalry game, except it was Texans Packers.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Finally, just like a little bit of love to this
this safety group for the Packers. Evan Williams, huge plays
in this game, huge open field tackle on a two
point conversion, Zavery McKinney, big time sack, keeps getting it done.
And uh, like I said, Romeo Dobbs is awesome. Maybe
he should have been upset. He should be a big
part of the game plan when they needed to play today.
It was to Romeo Dobs eight for ninety four. But

(31:38):
the quality of those catches, the quality of those routes.
He was putting people in the dirt. Sometimes it was
Derek Stingley. Like good players, everyone got the business from
Robo Dobbs a really underrated player and was really important
in winning a game. Like I said, they lost the
turnover battle three to nothing, but their defense and yes,
Jordan Love got it done. Let's take a quick break,

(32:01):
fun start to this week seven recap.

Speaker 14 (32:15):
Hurts him a gun gang weell to his one bullshit.
AJ Brown hurts, takes the slam, he's back, he steps up,
he lets it go out.

Speaker 4 (32:29):
Of this cart and the cuts down.

Speaker 12 (32:31):
Hey, jet it Brown.

Speaker 3 (32:33):
Well, there's a question, go to a J. Brown.

Speaker 14 (32:37):
You cannot throw a ball anymore perfectly my mind.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
Mike Quick He's right, and uh what Jail It hurts
things certainly if you've watched the last two weeks of
Eagles football twenty eight to three. Yes, Nick Sirianni going
for it in a couple of big spots in this
game on fourth down and his team came through for him.
Brown with the forty one yard touchdown reception that was

(33:03):
w ip. Of course, Merril Reese, the Great Merril Reese
starting the call. Saquon Barkley, Patrick returned to the meadowlands.
And I didn't watch this game as close as you did.
Did we have a lot of shots to the owner's
booth because I don't think John Morrow was happy watching
Saquon go seventeen for one to seventy six at a touchdown.

Speaker 7 (33:24):
Yeah, we didn't. Early of course he came out. He
DAPs off John Hower before the game. There's there's shots
of jerseys being burned and all of that type of chicanery. Well,
hopefully somebody got the tattered jersey out of the fire pit, because.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
That that made me once.

Speaker 7 (33:40):
Remember, Saquon had his second highest rushing yards total of
his career in his first career game against his former.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
It only seventeen carries in a.

Speaker 7 (33:48):
Game that started punt punt punt Azizo Jalari Brian Burns.
This this Giants defense playing well, having to deal with
an offense that was really doing nothing. That the Eagles
go punt punt punt, there's a second down and Saquon
pops off for fifty five yard. Later on they score
on that drive. Then that next drive, the play that
we just saw the Giants defense force is a fourth

(34:11):
and three. For some reason, they got their fifth stringer
matched up against aj Brown one on one with no help.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Was that like Nick McLeod, Yeah, they probably thought they
were running it there and they did not.

Speaker 7 (34:23):
They did not They could throw to Aj as Jalen
was more than comfortable doing. After that, it's it's pretty
much it's pretty much over Daniel Jones. Well not Daniel Jones,
because eventually we did get to see Drew Locke, but
eight sacks for this Philadelphia Eagles defense a litany of players.
This wasn't just Jalen Carter going off. This was I

(34:43):
think six Eagles got sex in this game.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
When Bryce Huff gets a sacked and you know it's healthy.

Speaker 3 (34:50):
Sorry Bryce Hoff's return to met life.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
I gotta say those Well, these last two weeks have
been really big, I think for the Eagles in their defense,
because they really struggled at the beginning of the year.
And yes, you got to play Deshaun Watson and Daniel
Jones back to back weeks, but you've racked up huge
sack totals and they've kind of shown, Okay, we can
beat up on really bad offenses, which I didn't think
this defense necessarily was capable of. And everyone's eating at

(35:14):
least since thereby, as you mentioned, Nolan Smith playing pretty
well too. Daniel Jones gets benched Nick and after the
game Brian Dable said Daniel Jones will be his quarterback.
The score was twenty eight to three at the time.
He said he wanted to see if Drew Locke could
provide a little bit of a spark narrator. He did
not provide a spark. Did not. He had eight attempts

(35:35):
for a total of six yards, So not even Malik
Neighbors could could save him here. Yeah, really one sided
and really starting to look like that Seattle win was
like the high point of this Giant season.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, and you know, I love to give their front
a lot of credit because that is the strength of
their team. But when your offense is this bad, I mean, look,
the Eagles blitzed once. They got eight sacks, and they
blitzed once the entire day two point five percent according
to next Gen Status. That's bad, guys, that's bad for
Giants defensive loss. Also, can I push back against the

(36:08):
spark thing? When has the spark ever worked? Coaches? Oh,
we're looking for a spark. No, you're just looking for
a change, because you know what's going on right now
is not gonna work for you, rough, ugly day, but
the sweet, sweet taste of revenge for Saquon Barkley. God,
it's gotta feel good to average ten point four yards
of pop against your former team.

Speaker 1 (36:26):
So he averaged five point four four rushing yards over
expected per attempt, Like that's a good deal, that's that's
totally preposterous. He popped three long runs in this game,
and he didn't hit any of them for a touchdown.
So after the game he was like, I gotta go
back and work on that. He said it with a
straight face too. I think he was. I mean, athletes

(36:47):
are built different than us. You know, I would have
been happy after the game, and I think he was happy,
but not about that. Let's actually listen to to Saquon.

Speaker 3 (36:56):
That was crazy. That was crazy.

Speaker 15 (36:58):
I mean, I've seen my jersey get learned before over
on social media, but the timing of it, Like, I'm
locked in, I'm listening to my music and I see
like the fans and all see his fans just pointing,
and I look and I'm like what are they pointing at?
And I see smoking. I'm just like in my jersey again,
Burnt So Yeah, that was definitely different. I don't know
if I ever experienced anything like that in my life,

(37:18):
and you know, hopefully I don't experience that again.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
But in that moment, I was I was ready for
thirty one.

Speaker 13 (37:25):
Let's just say that.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Ah, that is crazy. Oh they showed it on the
jumbo tron. Now I'm picking it out through the context.
Was that absolutely not? Still?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Yes, then the drive in to MetLife. By the way,
the driving to MetLife is unique in that you go
around the entire tailgate lot on the team buses.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
I experienced it that that's what he's talking about.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
They will flip the burn at you. You get an
up close and personal look at everybody tailgating and they
know that's your bus. So they had that planned talk
about motivation message to every fan. If for a player
shows up but he's coming by your tailgate lot, don't
burn his jersey unless you want to have a bad day.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Well, he's like one of the greatest, uh, you know,
players in your history, certainly one of the best running
backs that we've seen rough And yes, I mentioned Jalen
Hurts that that sequence to me where he threw that
touch on was Jalen Hurts in a nutshell because he
passed on a wide open receiver on third down and
just held the ball and threw it out of bounds.
But then he hits a beautiful go ball. Only throwed

(38:20):
the ball fourteen times in this game. Dexter Lawrence, shout
out to him. Leading the NFL in sacks as a
nose tackle is just preposterous. Uh, making a run for
Defensive Player of the Year as a nose tackle on
a bad team. That has happened in the NFL before.
Can you name the man who did.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
That nose tackle on the bad team?

Speaker 2 (38:41):
I mean the first interior linement. I think outside of
like Aaron Donald will be like Warren Sapp, But I
think we got to go back further than that.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
It's like Albert Hansworth.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
It is Cortes Kennedy. I believe it was a lousy
Seahawks team, but he was just so good that they
gave him the award. So maybe Saquon I mean, maybe
Dexter Lawrence. We'll get that done. Let's go to Seattle
versus the Falcons. I don't think there's any Defensive Players
of the Year candidates in this game. There wasn't a

(39:10):
lot of defense, at least not for the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
Three receivers left Gino from the shotgun DK on the
numbers on the right side. Snap Gino steps up the boys.

Speaker 11 (39:23):
One man lands it over the top Walker cut down,
Sayhawks Ken Walker. The third reaching up making a diving
reception in the front corner of the end zone from
seventeen out.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
What a drive by the Seahawks.

Speaker 11 (39:38):
Thank you penalty, but the Seahawks cash it in and
extend their lead twenty.

Speaker 4 (39:44):
Three to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Ooh, ken Walker get it done as a receiver. My god,
what an improved player. I know he was good to
begin with, but to me, he is just a better
player than he used to move thirty four to fourteen
Seahawks offense rolls in Atlanta. By the end of this game,

(40:06):
Michael Pennix is playing football at the national professional level. Here.
Nick Schook did not expect this to be this one sided.
But it was a good day for my boy Gino,
wasn't it.

Speaker 2 (40:18):
Oh you're gonna love it when he takes a deep
dive in this game, Greg, because this is a classic
Geno game. I mean, they have the ball inside of
two minutes. There's like eight seconds left in the clock.
He drops back and fires a strike down the middle
of the field of dk among a sea of Falcons
for a touchdown that makes it seventeen to seven. He
drops that Dimon Kenneth Walker, who by the way, ran
a fantastic rout out of the backfield. He kind of
like hesitated and just shook the defender there before making

(40:40):
that spectacular grab, and then Gino's day is basically hasn't done.
He doesn't have to do much else because they get
a strip zach on Kirk Cousins. It starts off a
chain of three straight turnovers. Derek Hall picks it up
and rumbles down the field and Witherspoon throws a block
on a lineman down the field, I think it was
Kayleb McGarry, and he gets in the end zone for
a sixty four yard Almoll return touchdown, and just like

(41:02):
that at thirty one to fourteen, and the Falcons can
say good night because they had nothing left to do
after that except well, Kirk had to throw let's see
two more picks. One through the hands of Drake London,
not his fault, second one definitely his fault. Everything unraveled.
It was a winnable game, and it suddenly became a
very unwinnable game for the Falcons.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Yeah, I should have mentioned at the top, this is
our Sunday Drive presented by the all new hybrid Toyota Camry,
and yeah, we only the best for an epic geno game,
and yeah this maybe this defense can improve too. I
think they probably feel fortunate that the Falcons didn't run

(41:37):
the ball as much as they could have. Their success
rate was sky high. Bajon Robinson goes over one hundred yards,
Tyler Algier five for thirty six, and yet it was
a kind of a pass happy effort by the Falcons,
who you know, week after week. I keep looking at
that stat in the in the next gen stats like
play action. Are they doing anything with Kirk again three
for four in this game? And I think this points

(41:59):
out kind of their imitations, because the Seahawks were getting
gassed by play action all season long, getting gashed by
the running game. But the Falcons don't really have that
club in their bag and they couldn't go to it today.

Speaker 7 (42:10):
Well, they were getting gashed in the run game. Ultimately,
what you had nick watching this game was defensive coordinator
Eugene Cyril Smith like Gino was so hot that the
Falcons gave up on the run. We were in the
second We're in the second half and Bijon Robinson was
averaging seven yards of carry and Tyler Algee was out
averaging nine. The Falcons were running the ball well, Seahawks

(42:32):
giving up big plays.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
They struggled to corral Bijon in the backfield.

Speaker 7 (42:35):
But ultimately, when Gino kept delivering time after time after time,
the run game just went out the window. And there
was that late touchdown to Drake London where the Falcons
were in They were in the game, but the Hall
fumble returned for the touchdown. It just all started to
avalanche to the point where the Falcons could do nothing

(42:55):
and scramble.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Kirk started throwing picks.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Yeah, and that's why I led with the Gino pass
the DK because it gave him a ten point lead
and kind of forced the Falcons to be a little
bit one dimensional. They weren't out of the start. Out
of the halftime, they went fourteen plays. Kirk goes seven
for seven. They marched down the field relatively speaking to
me to fourteen plays, but and scoring it's an emphatic
drive like they score a touchdown. I'm like, all right,
we got a ball game. They're coming right back. They
punch him in the mouth and the Seahawks immediately respond

(43:20):
the score another touchdown. They're just playing catch up the
whole day before you know. It's a demonstration of how
quickly a game can unravel too. If you turn the
ball over in a back and forth affair like this,
suddenly you're gonna be looking up and you're gonna be
down by fifteen twenty points. And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Let's listen to the Derek Hall fumble return touchdown, one
of the more exciting moments of the day. And yeah,
the decisive moment in this one.

Speaker 4 (43:39):
Boy and Mafe isn't there in an inside rushing position.

Speaker 3 (43:42):
Well, Robinson stays.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
In the backfield for Atlanta.

Speaker 11 (43:45):
Cousin scrambles, left side, gets hit, goes down, Maffay, ball
comes down, ball.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Rolling, click up, furth side gets haul.

Speaker 6 (43:52):
Down the farth side lone gas on a score touchdown,
Say Hawks, Derreck.

Speaker 4 (43:59):
Hall all the shock bye boy buffing.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Oh I love that call from Steve rabel K I
r oh and yeah, players players matter. Having boy Mafey
back is kind of a big deal. Having Byron Murphy
back kind of a big deal. Draymont Jones goes for
six pressures in this game, Leonard Williams five, Derek Hall seven.
So offensive line struggling a little bit for Atlanta. Defense
hasn't been amazing all year. And then how confident can

(44:27):
you be in your starting quarterback when he's making a
sound like this before the snap? Sorry, that's that's Kirk Cousins.
I just I just wanted to is he saying, Carl shoffers, No,
that's I mean, that's just yah. Really old school Kirk

(44:50):
watchers will know every once in a while, he just
has this squeak that comes out. Let's just listen to
it one more time when he's called one more time. Sorry,
So that's actually one from Minnesota. This is that. This
is the Minnesota. Well, that's the Minnesota. And then this
is the one we heard this morning. Okay, I don't

(45:13):
so that. I don't know. I don't know if that's
intentional or what that is, but I love it.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
It's like a dog toy that's squeaking when he when
they chew on it.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Every once in a while, Yeah, voice cracks. It would
happen to Tom Brady back in the day when when
he when he was calling out signals and uh love
that and Michael Pennox quarterback controversy one for one fourteen yards.
I'm kind of glad shook that these both these teams
are four and three. That feels right for them, Like
five and two it would have been over there their
skis like, uh, that long of a winning streak for

(45:42):
this Falcon team wouldn't have felt right. A four game
losing streak for the Seahawks wouldn't have felt right. They
both feel like four and three teams and they're both
at least the Seahawks are in first place. The Falcons
will wait and find out about the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
Yeah, you look at the little score bug during the game,
and I looked down at the record and I was like, yeah,
that's about right. I mean, it's good time to get
back on the side of things after losing three straight.
I don't know how much I really learned about them,
other than the fact that Gino continues to be good
and when he's not good, they at a losing games.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
I think that today, I think the thing we're going
to learn is how much can Mike McDonald problem solve
on defense like Seahawks fans are overreacting a little too
much to their struggles, like it's a long they were
heard season right, and they have a look they have
a little bit of a lead in the NFC West.
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(46:28):
Learn more at Toyota dot com slash Camri. And we've
reached the portion of the show where Nick Shook has
to talk about the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 16 (46:38):
One forty left in the third it's third down for
the Bengals, third down and four Burrow catches the shotgun
snap throws caught by Higgins.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Yeah, running to the tab.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
For your vibe.

Speaker 16 (46:48):
Touchdown down Bengals t Higgins high stepping it into the
end zone and now he tosses the ball high into
the air as he looks into the dog pound after
that touchdown grab.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
That was Dan Hord and Dave Lapham of w c K.
Why Yeah, Lapham might be passing Scott Zolak as the best.
Yeah go, he's got him. It's like way less obnoxious
to Higgins taking it in. T Higgins has quietly been
awesome this year. He is back to twenty twenty two
t Higgins. They only scored fourteen points on offense, but

(47:27):
you get an opening kickoff return for a touchdown and
usually you win the game. And the Bengals did. Browns
get a late touchdown from their third quarterback to play today,
Jamis Winston, And yeah, let's start there, because that's ultimately
the story of the day. Nick Shook. The Cleveland Browns

(47:47):
lost their starting quarterback Deshaun Watson to an achilles injury.
Appears to be a torn achilles and it's hard not
to think about what this all means for him and
the team moving forward.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Yeah, I mean, we'll learn that over time, because there's
a lot of money in contract situation, everything else, a
lot of decisions to be made. But in the short term,
it was all right, Well, we've talked about Deshaun Watson,
you know, and his place in this offense, being the
worst starting quarterback in the NFL. Now he's out. Now
let's see what they look like. And for a moment,
Dorian Thompson Robinson gave him a little bit of life.
He got took off a couple times with some read
options and everything else, but he ends up getting hurt too,

(48:21):
and James Winston comes in the offense. Is still not
a good operation. Nick Chubb came back scored a touchdown
that was great, but overall still not a good group.
One cool nugget from research, though, because not often that
you see three quarterbacks attempt to so many passes in
a game. So according to the NFL research, the Browns
are the first team to have three different players have
ten plus pass attempts in a game since the Chiefs

(48:41):
in Week seven of two thousand and eight. Could you
guess those three quarterbacks?

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Guys?

Speaker 1 (48:45):
Okay, is Tyler Thigpen one of them?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Is Brody Croyle one of them?

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yes? Holy cow?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
Can we do this?

Speaker 1 (48:53):
Damon?

Speaker 4 (48:58):
I can't believe we did that.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
That's yours.

Speaker 4 (49:00):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
We just won the Super Bowl because I wouldn't have
gotten Croyle.

Speaker 3 (49:07):
I wouldn't know City, Alabama's own Brody Croyle.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
I wouldn't have gotten Croyle. But my teammate picked me
up and that closed that down with Damian Hewart. Holy
Greg is right. Oh that is Nothing makes me happier
than getting.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
That's the brightest spot about the Browns, By the way,
their defense is still solid, but they're asked to do
too much. Joe Burrow and the offense didn't score anything
in the first half. Obviously, you know he runs an
issues against this Browns defense, but they figured out the
second half. Him and Jamar Chase and t Higgins. The
rapport is almost unmatched in the NFL, and it was
it was too much for the Browns to be able
to stop in the second half. The Bengals man one
two in a row. Let's go getting back in the

(49:43):
right way.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm still trying to come down from what just took
place here. Although it is they're runing a little bit,
it is reminded me of the worst quarterback matchup I've
ever seen, maybe the worst game of all time, which
was I think that season Brody Croyle versus Kellen Clemens
of the Jets Weeks sixteen six sick Ohs. Look up
the box score of that game and yeah, let's just

(50:06):
talk Wapson. So the crowd cheers a little, like so
the players were, you know, Miles Garrett and Jamis Winston
were upset after the game. Was this something where they're
talking about like a small amount of fans cheered or
it was it hard to tell on the television broadcast.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Yeah, it was kind of hard to tell. The audio
at that stadium has never been good on TV unless
you you don't want to hear people banging on aluminum
siding because that happens on third.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
So you know, some fans are happy when he gets hurt,
which you know, it doesn't surprise me, and he's crying
going off the field, and I actually thought there was
a good chance this was going to be his last
start ever for the Browns, and extrapolating that forward, I

(50:53):
actually thought there was an outside chance this will be
his last time he ever plays in the NFL, because
I think there's a chance, if he was healthy that
when he got benched, that they're not going back to
him ever. And if you just ignore the contract, I
don't see another team signing him in the future, even

(51:14):
for like one million dollars. It's possible, but I don't.
If I had to guess, I was leaning on that
it was probably gonna happen soon that he would get
bench And now one of the reasons I felt even
stronger about that was what people were mad about, including Patrick.
I disagree with you on this, Patrick, that you know
they looked bad because they had Dorian Thompson Robinson as
the backup quarterback this game and then he had to

(51:36):
go in and play.

Speaker 4 (51:38):
For what.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
You know. This could be a wrong evaluation, but I
actually thought them making DTR the backup was a sign
that Watson was on a short least because DTR was
actually the guy they wanted to see all along. And
whether they're right or wrong about that, I don't know.
But Stefanski's been pretty good with the backup quarterback, so
I'm not going to have like a hot take about that.
So when I saw DTR was the backup, I was like, Oh,

(52:00):
he's going to get benched this game if he doesn't
play well, and then you know what happened.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
Happened.

Speaker 7 (52:06):
Well, I think the reason that people would instantly believe
that was because they've been kind of making a feudal
effort on offense for multiple weeks. Yeah, with Deshaun Watson
in quarterback, I don't know that the decision making at
the quarterback position in Cleveland is getting a whole lot
of trust globally right now because of that. And so

(52:26):
I've seen Jamis wants to play a lot of football.
I think it's hard to get Joe Flacco leading this
team down the stretch kind of out of your mind,
and Famous fits falls into that mold.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
But ultimately it's not a good team. They're one and six.

Speaker 7 (52:43):
They haven't had both of their tackles play in a
game all season long. Still to this point, it's the
positive is Nick Chubb is finally back. He's able to
get in the end zone today. That was probably the
best Browns drive of the game. But where dtr comes
in in relief of Deshaun Watson, Nick Chubb gets in
the end zone there. But it's I think the skepticism

(53:07):
about the decision making fair is just a view of
the way people see the decision making of the franchise.

Speaker 3 (53:12):
In bringing to Shaun Watson h in the first.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Right, and I almost wonder if him getting hurt, it's
not gonna let them off the hook, But it just
makes the decision for them, and it makes people forget
that this is Andrew Berry who did this, Like this
was the worst move in the history of the NFL, Like,
without any question, it was that bad to begin with,

(53:35):
and I was very strong about on the show because
of everything that Deshaun Watson did off the field, and
that's why everyone's saying about the jamis Winston standing up
for his teammate and Miles Garrett standing up for his teammate.
After the game, it's like, Oh, they really spoke truth
here and this is powerful words. And I don't know,
I just don't. I don't buy it because the indignation

(53:57):
that they have in this moment about that small group
of fans or whatever is so much stronger than anything
they ever said about all the women that Shaun Watson
was accused of sexually assaulting, or certainly how the organization
brought him in or anything like. So I don't need
to hear it. You can, you can feel that, and

(54:18):
you can say whatever, you can say your truth, but
I don't need to hear members of the media saying like, oh,
this is this is powerful stuff on a human level.
It's like, no, like, just just miss me with it.
Because they made a deal with the devil and that
they're paying for it and the injury put that to
the side. That sort of has nothing to do with

(54:40):
it in this case to me, because this decision was
over with, like as a complete and utter failure that
normally would get everyone fired. Maybe the like, we don't
know who actually made that decision, and maybe that changes.
And now the Browns just are going to move forward
in whatever way that is. And I think it's going
to be a way where they get this like tap

(55:01):
space through insurance money potentially, and they figure out a
way to maybe trade him to another team and give
away draft picks and it's like a like a Brockos.
I think, who knows in the future, but that's all
in the future. For now, they got to live through this,
you know, what's been a miserable season.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, I mean they're not a good team. Like Patrick said,
they're not a good team. They're especially not a good offense.
Jerry Judy threw his helmet at the bench after a
possession today and that was after Watson was out. We've
talked about this for weeks. This is nothing new. It
will be interesting to see if you know, it ends
up being Jamis in that job and whether they can
do anything, because they the best they've looked all your
offensively is when Jameis has been on the field in
that small cuccle size.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
But yes, he's the only healthy guy. Anyways. Rob dtr
had twenty four throws with two interceptions in eighty two yards,
so that was an unmitigated disaster. For the most part.
He was their leading rusher. Nick Chubb, you know, got
the touchdown, but didn't do a lot on the ground
eleven for twenty two in his first game back. Bengals
fans are probably like, you're not giving us any love.
It was an ugly game. You got Higgins and Chase

(56:00):
I only scored fourteen points in offense. Your defense has showed,
like the Eagles the last couple of weeks, that they
can really stand up against lower tier offenses, and that's
a good sign and maybe it's something to build off.
Sam Hubbard certainly has played better. But you had twelve
first downs, you know, so that's and you lost Orlando
Brown to an injury, so there's some concern there. I

(56:23):
just thought the Watson thing ultimately was the bigger story
coming out of this game. And the Bengals, look, you
got your win, You're three and four, You are back
in the mix. If you look at their schedule, they
got a chance to go on a little run. I
think they get the Eagles next. That'll be interesting. Let's
just since that was a wholly negative recap here Let's
listen to our friend Andrews Ciciliano and what was the

(56:43):
nicest moment here for the Browns today? It is fourth down.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
Dtr is the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Brown's gonna go with the eye again, Swam.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
The tight end is the up back Nick Chubb.

Speaker 5 (56:52):
That's the eye pitch left, Nick Chubb running left.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
Nick Chubb is touch show Nicklass shamol Shop. Welcome back
and welcome back.

Speaker 17 (57:11):
To the Enzo.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Awesome call there by Andrew on wk R kay and
yet one other small injury note. Genostone of the Bengals
got hurt late in this game, so that's something to
watch in their secondary. Let's go to another one sided game.
Let's go to Buffalo.

Speaker 11 (57:29):
Second and ten from the twelve play clock down to five,
Alan in the shotgun takes a snap Blit's coming, fires
over the middle for.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
A Mai super Cooper.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
For a twelve yard touchdown reception. Yes, Amari Cooper is
a member of the Buffalo Bills and he's out here
scoring touchdowns. His first ever catches a Buffalo Bill is
a touchdown. That was Chris Brown of w g R.
What if I told you that the Tennessee Titans were

(58:02):
ahead ten nothing in this game. What if I told
you Eric Roberts, our producer, was sweating it out here
at halftime they were trailing ten to seven. And what
if I told you the Buffalo Bills looked like the
Super Bowl contenders that they are after halftime and absolutely
bum rushed this Titans team. It was like they just

(58:22):
flipped a switch and started trying. The yardage in the
second half at one point was two hundred and sixteen
to ten. And yeah, Mariy Cooper had a drop early,
nick and it was rynd. I mean, reminded me of
his Browns days, Like a drive ended on a bad
Cooper drop and I was like, uh oh. But the
rest of the game four for sixty six, including a
couple of really nice grabs, including one kind of behind

(58:44):
his body, nice hands catch, And yeah, the Bills offense
was rolling against what had been a really good Titans
defense in the first half and really the most of
this season.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Yeah, had a quick turnaround on a nickname too. Mary
Cooper's been a Bill for less than a week. He's
already super Cooper. So you guys too, I mean, this
is what the Bills can do. It is impressive that
it came against this Titans defense because that's been their
strength all year. While their offense has struggled with no
matter who's playing quarterback, their defense has been very consistent.
So to get blasted like that in the second half
it is very disappointing. But then again, this is a

(59:16):
team that's one in five, and when stacked up against
Super Bowl contenders, push usually comes to shove and the
better team emerges. And that's kind of what we saw
from today from Josh Allen. You love it statistically twenty
one to thirty three, three twenty three, two touchdowns. All right, Josh,
back on the horse, give me a reason to move
you up to QB Index this week.

Speaker 1 (59:32):
He was fine, he was great in the second half.
They started the game with three straight three and outs.
They were disjointed where even when he was protected well,
he wasn't finding open receivers. So they punted five out
of six drives in the first half and the only
offense they were really getting were from these kind of
scrambled drill plays to Keon Coleman, which which worked yeah,

(59:53):
all day.

Speaker 7 (59:53):
Ultimately they had those three and outs, nothing was going on,
and then Keon Coleman shakes loose where the Titans defense
just lose track of him to get forty yards. James
Cook scores on the next play, and then Buffalo proceeds
to score every score for the remainder of the game.
It was thirty four and answered points. Wow, down ten
to nothing to winning thirty four to ten. Where you
see the promise of Amari Cooper's route running on the touchdown,

(01:00:17):
it kind of freeze Keon up to do the things
that the Keon kind of excels at and where it's
not Keon outside having to get open against the one
and versus. You know, a good opportunity against the Titans
team that's playing their backup quarterback. I know you can
make the case that Mason Rudolph might give the team
a better chance to win film will Lewis, Okay, the
case has been made. But regardless, a good opportunity to

(01:00:39):
work Amari Cooper in and the results have us feeling
a whole lot better about the Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Yeah, Lewis, was a kind of surprise late week inactive.
I watched that Titans game later in the week, and
that was a cry for help from Levis. Now he
might have been playing hurt with the shoulder injury, and
that was part of it. But it was one of
the worst games that I've seen by any quarterback all season,
and Rudolph was better for them and kind of avoided
making the mistakes that killed that would kill you. He

(01:01:06):
did have an interception, but their offensive line was terrible,
so I'm not putting it too much on him or
like Tony Pollard. I swear Tony Polter's playing like a
pro bowler. Yeah, like maybe the best that Tony Polter's
ever played, and then that results in sixteen for sixty one.
The offensive line was just dominated in this game, and
that's that's what the Bills will give you. Like people
are so caught up on the wide receivers, but their

(01:01:28):
defensive line is winning week after week. Greg Russo had
six quarterback hits in this game. That's the most of
any player in any game all season. He was awesome.
Aj Epenesa was awesome. Ed Oliver's playing well, and then
the offensive line is protecting Josh Allen against a pretty
good pass rush, like tons of time giving him time
to find Dalton Kincaid down the field. Khalios shook here
plays well like I thought it was really impressive. One

(01:01:50):
thing to keep an eye on is DeAndre Hopkins only
had one catch for negative two yards and was out
late in this game. He said it was soreness. He's
getting talked about as a trade candidate. I don't know.
I was kind of wondering, that feels strong. What was
kind of wondering here? It was like a veteran thing
where the game was over and they were just kind
of sitting him and you know, take take them out
at the end of the game, and yeah, it's ugly.

(01:02:12):
We'll see if Rudolph gets another start. Not sure if
it matters too much. By the way, Nick Folk has
hit eighty straight kicks under forty yards. They said that
in the game. I was like, wait, what you say?
Eighty straight field goals under forty yards? Eighty that's two
hundred and forty points. How many years is that over?

(01:02:33):
That's just an amazing feat by Nick Folks. So I
just wanted to give shut out to him a little
bit of love. Bills at five and two and right
now in control of the a FC East, We'll take
a quick break and we're going to go to the NFC.
Talk about a team that's control that division. Two right
after the break.

Speaker 5 (01:03:11):
Third and nine at the twenty five yard line, Sanders
could have.

Speaker 3 (01:03:15):
Left the Dulton free Ruster coming off the edge.

Speaker 18 (01:03:17):
Thurstick Pecky Lovo put to me, hey, guys, streaking down
the sideline thirty twenty ten five cuck down, touch down,
walking down.

Speaker 4 (01:03:33):
On Bolling alone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
That was Dante Fowler on the sixty seven yard interception
return Bram Weinstein wb IG. The Commanders put it on
the Panthers forty to seven. Not shocking, I guess, knowing
these two teams, but a little shocking that Jayden Daniels

(01:03:56):
was only in this game for one drive, a field
goal drive left with the rib injury. They said they'll
do further tests, but there's been multiple reports, including from
our Camwolf of NFL Network, that it's nothing serious. So
a rare game shook where your franchise quarterback gets hurt
and you can still enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Yourself and Cliff Kingsbury's offense proved to be quarterback proof.
Let's go down the drive chart, Okay, first drive, punt
three and out right, then we go touchdown, field goal, touchdown, touchdown,
field goal, field goal. End of game. Marcus whoa fantastic
as a veteran backup as he should. He was improvised
and he was dotting the field with throws. They were

(01:04:38):
running the ball with authority with Brian Robinson. They couldn't
be stopped. They were on fire. And it helps when
you pick off Andy Dalton twice in the first quarter
and bury the Panthers before they even have a chance
to get out of bed.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Wow, Mariota in this game, I spot for him. I mean,
you get to play against the Panthers, sure, but to
go seven for nine for one hundred and twenty seven
yards on throws, I think it was over fifteen yards
or over ten yards. So these weren't just no not
digging than Duncan dinks and dunks. You're right about it

(01:05:11):
being quarterback proof like I saw it. Like early in
this game, Terry McLaurin had won for three yards about
halfway through the third second quarter and the score is
already twenty to nothing at that point, and I'm thinking
I made a mistake starting scary Terry. You know today
in fantasy he's gonna end with one catch for three
yards because you're just going to run the ball the
rest of the game. But no, he ends up with

(01:05:32):
six for ninety eight and Mariota and they were throwing
the ball the whole game. I appreciate it. Thank you,
Cliff Kingsbury, Thank you Marcus Mariota.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Put on the gas all game, baby, because they don't stop.
Doesn't matter if you know Jane Daniels is in or
Marcus Mariota's in, or I threw up by thirty points,
does not matter. In fact, at one point the broadcast
team was like, hey, Marcus, gotta be a little careful here.
We don't know if Jane Daniels is going to be
out multiplease. He can't be taking hits like this because
he's scrambling two and all over the field. It was probably.

Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Marcus Mariota has ever been careful and he never will
be never. No, it was not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
The guy who caught his own is the guy who
caught his own pass and dove for the pylon for
a touchdown. This guy does not know how to.

Speaker 3 (01:06:07):
Be careful and got in when it works.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
Yeah, and got in. Yeah, he got in.

Speaker 3 (01:06:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
Most lopsided game I think I've seen all year. The
Panthers are a bad football team. They're undoubtedly the worst
football team in the NFL, and I'm kind of curious
about what their plan is with Bryce Young because they
were down by so much. You thought, well, third quarter,
late third quarter, put him in. They put him in
for the last drive of like three and a half
minutes left. He finished two for two for negative four yards.
That's not gonna help the kids. So I don't know

(01:06:32):
what's going on there, But they're not a good football team.
We already knew that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
They said they would keep playing Andy Dalton. What do
you think, yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:06:41):
At a certain point, help your football team like playing
Andy Dalton right now? That does that get any part
of the best case scenario? Considering the Panthers are at
one and six, get Bryce Young some good reps, and
if you don't want Bryce Young to be a part
of your program anymore, try to get some value and
demonstrate value for Bryce Young and get him somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:07:00):
The problem with that is thinking that any of these
quarterbacks could succeed. This is just a mistake after mistake
after mistake in terms of personnel and switching coaches, and
like Andy Dalton's eleven for ninety sixteen for ninety three
yards and two touchdowns a QBR of three, I don't
know if I've ever seen that before. I mean, they

(01:07:21):
can't They can't do anything, so why would it work
with It's not gonna work with either.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
That's what I'm saying. It's not working. Do we need
to see more Andy Dalton? Is this?

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
Now, that's the thing.

Speaker 7 (01:07:31):
We need to evaluate Andy Dalton's performance in this offense
where you're playing up against a Marcus Mariota led Commander's
team where we just talked like Marcus is haf ovens
celebrating up and down the field.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
He's almost leading the team and carries He's got one
less carry.

Speaker 7 (01:07:47):
Than Brian Robinson Junior ultimately at the end of the game,
but finishes with eleven b rob had twelve.

Speaker 19 (01:07:52):
But I'm just I'm not sure what we're getting and
what the value is. Oh yeah, none. I mean this
this team stinks. They've been outscored two hundred and fifty
seven to ninety six. So you feel for Dave Canalis,
but you also have to recognize, like he's not doing
a good good job. That the situation and the structure
and everything that they've set up that they decided to

(01:08:14):
go with continuity in their front office, and you know,
you have to look at the top of like how
an organization gets to this level. And as Joe Person
writes every week for The Athletic, there is no rock bottom.
Like people like to say, oh, this is rock bottom.
It's like no, just wait till next week, right.

Speaker 2 (01:08:33):
And what they exist in rock bottom right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
And Washington is an example of like how an organization
can change on a dime like that if you get
the quarterback pick right along with a coaching staff. And look,
they've done a good job their defense. I know it's
been beating up on bad offenses for the most part,
although they did pretty well against the Cardinals who are
so their defense has really improved the last three weeks.

(01:08:57):
It's a fun matchup next week. Caleb Williams will see
if Jayden Daniels is back for that game. Let's let's
listen to the good vibes with Dan Quinn in that
locker room.

Speaker 12 (01:09:08):
We got stronger this week, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:09:09):
We said we had to we find the edges, all right,
to say can we find the next gear?

Speaker 12 (01:09:14):
And you did that tonight, man, So you got one
guy set it off today.

Speaker 3 (01:09:31):
That is a custom celebration for Frankie Louvu.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
And it's cool because Dante Fowler wears six and gotta
pick six.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
There we go, Commander's social right there. Appreciate the footage.
I watch a lot of these locker room and I
just think, I mean, every happy, every winning locker room
is happy. But I think the commanders are the happiest
they have. They have the best vibes right now they
are winning the vibe off. Let's go to London where
good vibe in the crowd before the game. Not such

(01:10:02):
great vibes for these two teams.

Speaker 17 (01:10:04):
Huge booming putting all the way down to the fall
for Paula Washington, he gets out to the ten to
the fifties, go Puka, twenty five, thirty forty fifty.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
It's already the plug today. He's gonna go all.

Speaker 17 (01:10:13):
The way thirty twenty five, twenty fifteen, ten five touchdown,
Jacksonville Hussy stops at the episode, fools backwards into it.
I'm not saying huge, huge play in terms of the
momentum of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Parker Washington taking it all the way from the four
yard line ninety.

Speaker 17 (01:10:32):
Six yards for the Jacksonville Jockuars touchdown.

Speaker 4 (01:10:36):
Oh yeah, Parker Washington, thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:39):
For giving us a highlight thank you for giving us
the first special team's touchdown in London game's history. And
thank you to Will Gavin of talkSPORT Nay, Will Gavin
of NFL Daily last Sunday's recap show, he did a
bang up job and now he's doing play by play

(01:10:59):
over there. Yes, the London games are over for the
year and they were treated to an excellent performance from
their hometown Jaguars thirty two to sixteen in this matchup, Jaguars,
when we got some good quarterback play, we got some points,

(01:11:19):
we got a long touchdown, we got a Will Gavin
radio call. What else could we ask for?

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
Nick Schuck, Actually, honestly, I don't think anything. I think
it was best perfect well unless.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
You right game better teams, But I'm saying in the
situation we were given, I'm giving it eight and a
half out of ten.

Speaker 2 (01:11:40):
And something about the Will Gavin call there just like
it was like music to my ears. It was almost
like poetry. And Parker Washington is the perfect name for
a London game. It was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:11:51):
A fielding at punt on the four yard line.

Speaker 7 (01:11:53):
Watching this for work, I'm like cause the game starts
with a long Patriots drive ultimately concluding in a Jamichael
Hasty touchdown. And I'm thinking, this is the Jags, this
is the twenty twenty four Jacksonville Jaguars. And I was
just so ready for disappointment at every available opportunity. And
Parker Washington goes, he catches that ball at the four, here.

Speaker 3 (01:12:13):
Comes a muff or something.

Speaker 7 (01:12:15):
He's gonna a teammate's gonna run into him, the ball's
gonna pop out, Patriots gonna score. No, not today. Today
was a day for the Jags and a lot of success.
Parker Washington emblematic of that, and also a nice game
from Brian Thomas Junior as well.

Speaker 3 (01:12:29):
Good to see, good Jags. Congratulations Doug Peterson.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Yes, Doug Peterson with that NFL Network halftime interview with
Steve Weisch back to back weeks, and really their trip
could be told by those two interviews. The first one
I heard someone say, like, people don't need to worry
about man, who was it that the Jags quitting on him?
They gotta worry about Doug quitty on the Jags. He
seems sick of his players last week and in general,

(01:12:55):
and this week though after a second quarter where yeah,
I think they put up twenty four points in the
second quarter after falling down ten to nothing. They needed that.
And yeah, you mentioned the Patriots started this game looking
very good on offense. Two long drives for ten points.
They get the ten to nothing lead. But like it's

(01:13:15):
been the rest of the year, it's not one thing
for the Patriots. Everything's bad. Now. Their quarterback's pretty good,
Jake May's playing well. Yeah, but their defense is one of,
if not the league's worst. Their special teams are terrible.
You just saw it. And yeah, in the secondary, I
just want to give some love to Brian Thomas Junior.

(01:13:37):
I mean him getting open against Christian Gonzalez and the
late hands, contested catch for a big play down the field.
Then just a fantastic route where I swear Gonzales didn't
play these two plays badly. He was in good position,
and good offenses beats good defense sometimes in a great
two point conversion. He finishes five for eighty nine for
a touchdown. He is legit. Tank Bigsby ran hard at

(01:14:00):
hell gets one hundred and eighteen yards for two touchdowns.
And Trevor Lawrence played awesome led the NFL and EPA
on this Sunday and so yeah, they need to be
an offense first team shook and they were. They really
dominated the game when they had the ball. They just
did not let the Patriots defense get off the field.

Speaker 3 (01:14:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:14:17):
I think they had a stretch in the second half
where they ran the ball like almost twenty straight times.
Kret is an emphatic run right there, Tank Begsby. By
the way, we lose sight of the players who are
performing well on bad teams, right and the Jaguars in two
and five still qualify as a bad team. But you
have Brian Thomas. He's gotten the traction because he's a
rookie receiver. He's the latest example of a receiver that's
almost a finished product coming out of college. That's just

(01:14:39):
the generation that we're dealing with now a receiver. But
Tank Bigsby has been playing well all year. I mean
he's been outperforming Travis Etn. Etn doesn't go today. It
Tanks time to shine, and he shines on the international stage.
So let's give him a little tip of the cap.
People pay attention to him. If you're playing fantasy, pick
him up.

Speaker 1 (01:14:54):
Right, it almost could have been worse than this game.
They on that drive where they just kept running, running,
and running. They ran one too many times and got
stopped on a fourth and goal inside the five, and
so the Patriots had a little bit of life and
Drake may led them on a scoring drive. My Drake
May review, He's the only good thing about this team.
I think this game was different where the highs weren't

(01:15:16):
as high and the lows weren't as low, and he
just for the most part, made good decisions, was inaccurate.
A couple times could have been picked off once or twice,
and then people, you know, the box score wouldn't look
as good. But overall he has zero running game. You know,
Rimandre goes seven for eighteen, zero schematic help, no offensive
line help, and his defense is terrible. So I have

(01:15:39):
major doubts about this coaching staff, and girod Mayo has
major doubts just about everything right now.

Speaker 20 (01:15:47):
What I would say is, look, we're a soft football
team across the board. We talk about what makes a
tough football team. That's being able to run the ball,
that's being able to stop the run, and that's being
able to cover kicks, and we did none of those today.
They controlled the ball for mosty you know, their run
game average over four and a half yards of carry
our run game. Not sure what the average was, but
it wasn't good.

Speaker 1 (01:16:06):
No, it was not. It was two point five, by
the way, and it would have been a lot lower
if not for Drake May's couple uh scrambles. Drod Me
get gets mad and I like that he just speaks
his mind and says what he says. But when he
says we're sloppy, and there was a ton of offensive
like pre snap penalties, and when he says we're soft,
like he's saying I'm soft, I'm sloppy, because that's what

(01:16:27):
he's he's coaching right now. They are not a well
coached team. Let's go to Indianapolis where they couldn't open
the dome on a beautiful day. Technical difficulties for the
second time this year. Let's get that cleaned up Colts.
But at least they cleaned up their defense. Nine to
fifteen and counting. Here in the third quarter, Richardson out
of the gun ball in the far hatch. Two receivers

(01:16:49):
go to the left, one goes to the right.

Speaker 4 (01:16:51):
Richardson right up the touchdown. The red Sea parted.

Speaker 11 (01:16:56):
It's Tyler Goodson right up the gun from seven yards
away touchdown n D.

Speaker 4 (01:17:03):
Why it's ten to nine on the rule Morgan storeboard.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
W F N I Matt Taylor. Every time I look
up the last three weeks, Tyler Goodson's making a play.
He's a player. Got juice, Got a little bit of
juice or the tray sermon. Colts get another win without
Jonathan Taylor, this time with Anthony Richardson sixteen to ten. Patrick,

(01:17:29):
you liked my theory. This was a big game in
the AFC because these are two teams that I don't
think have played really well, and one of them was
going to come out of this game like in good
shape playoff wise, and the Colts have a winning record
even if it hasn't been.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Pretty, and it holds true.

Speaker 7 (01:17:41):
It holds true after the game you look at the
way that things line up. Where Anthony Richardson did not
have a great game. He had a fumble in the
red zone. Both of these teams committed a litany of turnovers,
bad turnovers. There was a fullback fumble that came out
from I'm blanking on the the Finns alec Ingold had

(01:18:02):
a fumble. We got punched out by the Colts defense.
Richardson had his bad one, but ultimately kicks. Matt Gay
hit a fifty two yarder to go in to the break.
Jason Sanders had one slide off to the edge and
ultimately that that turns out to be the difference the
Anthony Richardson solid in the run game as well today,

(01:18:23):
wound up being the leading rusher, got fifty six yards
on fourteen carries. But it was one of those type
scattershot games where the Colts kind of showed their weaknesses
and a weak team going up against a TUA lead
Dolphins team.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
This is this is easy fins. Win.

Speaker 7 (01:18:39):
Is the win that we've seen the past few years,
but without even Tyler Huntley because Tim Boyles in this
game late shook this.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
This is what we get from Miami.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
Yeah, as well, concerning from a Colts perspective, just because
I'm sitting here thinking, look, you're playing Tyler Huntley and
Tim Boyle and you can only buster this. This Miami
defense is not that good. What is going on with
this offense? Anthony Richardson, he finished his ten for twenty four.
You added, you know, the fifty six yards in the ground,
so he did his part. It's just that you know,
he comes back from mission a couple of weeks and
they're not the same well oiled mission machine they were
with Joe Flacco, at least through the air. But it's

(01:19:10):
still a harder and win because you hold the opposition
to ten points. Your defense has given up massive sums
in many games this year, including that loss to Jacksonville.
So it's a small victory on top of the actual victory.
From a Dolphins perspective. You get, you know, almost two
hundred rushing yards between the combination of a chan Moster
Jalen Wright and then at another twenty from Huntley before
he leaves, and yet you still only get ten points. Like,

(01:19:32):
I feel very bad for Dolphins fans right now because
they are just stuck in this waiting game, waiting to
see win and if and win two comes back, and
until then they're just not a high potential offense.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
Well, they're only going to wait another week. According to expectations,
he's eligible to come off i R next week. Diana
Rossini reported that the expectation was he was going to
play next week, and Mike McDaniel's kind of telegraph that
I have a miss from the future. Nick two is

(01:20:02):
not saving this team. This team has so many problems.
I'm not like buying that Tua is gonna like Mike
McDaniel's not coaching this team well at all. The fact
that going to the backup quarterback causes your passing game
to collapse this much. I don't think two is gonna
save it. It'll be significantly better, but they need it
to be great or even good, and I have doubts

(01:20:23):
about that. Any system where Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill
go two for nineteen combined. Tyrek Hill didn't have a
catch in this game until there was like two minutes left.
I think they're gonna have issues. And offensive line is
the reason, is one of the reasons why the backup
quarterbacks are struggling so much. They're just it's not a
well run, well coached team. I know the defense has

(01:20:44):
been a little better the last couple of weeks, but
I don't know. Man Obj comes out there, has a
couple of targets, has a drop, he made a little cameo.
I just something's off with this team. Any other coach
I think would be getting on if their backup quarterbacks
were like this bat It shouldn't be this big of
a cliff. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
No, every time I see a shot of Mike McDaniel
on the sideline, he just looks lost. He looks like
he doesn't know where he is, or he doesn't want
to be there if he knows where he is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:12):
I saw him laughing with Tyreek Hill and Waddle. They
actually were like in a good mood at that point.
They were winning the game. They were up ten three
in this game, and they were all kind of like laughing.
And at that point, Wattle and Hill I think had
no catches. So I was like, what are they laughing about? Like,
are they like laughing about how we like our quarterbacks
can't get us the ball? Like, yeah, that would be
my guess.

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Yeah, maybe it's it's Tim Boyle.

Speaker 7 (01:21:32):
They're looking over and it's like, oh, yeah, that's a
rough one for till.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
How's he still here?

Speaker 7 (01:21:37):
There's so many different ways that you could take the
Miami Dolphins offense. It wasn't good against better teams in
the stretch where Tua was there. Now that I do
think the difference is at least at least two touchdowns
in this game.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
Right, Sure, it would have helped, at the very least
it would have.

Speaker 7 (01:21:56):
Helped in this game. But yeah, there's there's overall problems,
and teams go through lulls. We've seen contenders go through lulls.
The Bills just went and got Amark Cooper and in
the middle of one of their lulls, and yeah, I
saw them explode out of that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Their season's been a low though, so we'll see. I mean,
but I'm looking forward to him atturning because it gives
us another team. Otherwise, this team is just like a
dead team walking Devon h Chan after the game. And yes,
they started running the ball better last week, so that's
a really good sign. Devan h Chan said after the game.
It's not like teams are better than us, like all
these losses were losing our one score games. No you

(01:22:32):
got to spot but no, wait, no, no, no, But it's
actually just factually completely untrue. They lost thirty one to
ten to the Bills, twenty four to three to the Seahawks,
and thirty one to twelve to the Titans, so literally
this was their first time that they had a one
score loss. They've gotten crushed every week. They've been one
of the worst teams in the league, so maybe they're
lucky to be two and four. Their season is not
quite over. That is true as well of the winner

(01:22:56):
of the Sofi Bowl. Yes it's Raiders Rams, one of
the teams needed to get a w and keep their
season alive.

Speaker 11 (01:23:03):
One eight on the clock, no timeouts remaining for the visitors,
snap back, Rams coming after them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Minshew to his end zone.

Speaker 11 (01:23:10):
Now Flood's right points downfield, pros against his.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Body, pitch intercepted, take it away again at the thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
This game is over.

Speaker 18 (01:23:18):
Jalen mccolor calls game.

Speaker 1 (01:23:23):
Love that call for my friend JB. Long on KSP
and JB Long gotta be joining me on the TNF
recap this week. Vikings Rams, so check that out later
in the week. And that game is going to mean
a little bit more for the Rams because they got
their second win of the year twenty to fifteen. It
was fitting Patrick that the defense did it because this

(01:23:46):
was a rare Rams win that was led by the defense.
They got stops all over the place. The twenty points
that the Rams scored on offense were all off turnovers
that the Rams defense created.

Speaker 7 (01:23:57):
And coming into the game, I'm thinking Jared Versus is
going to have a game. We were all celebrating and
wide eyed at the Aid O'Connell's stat about zero scramble
yards in his entire career.

Speaker 3 (01:24:06):
But then Aid O'Connell's knocked out of the game.

Speaker 7 (01:24:08):
So incomes Gardner Minshew and you're like, oh, I got
some more mobility back there. Jared Verse had nine pressures
in this game on thirty six pass rushes.

Speaker 3 (01:24:18):
He was dominant.

Speaker 7 (01:24:19):
Minshew did the Minshew thing where now you've got this
injury to Aid and O'Connell. A couple of with Tody
candidates were added to the list of this week.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
But Tody is the worst throw of the year, just
to be clear, But yes, Gardner Minsche's first interception was
was his specialty, the combination of awful decision and awful execution.

Speaker 3 (01:24:41):
Yeah, roll into the sideline.

Speaker 7 (01:24:42):
You're gonna have to either put that ball in the
stands or throw it in a very small spot. Instead,
alects to throw it directly to the defender, which is
now something that's happened twice on the season for Gardner Minshew.
The other applicant was Andy Dalton today but just a
rough game where you think the Rams have this game
him in the back, but some late effort from Alexander

(01:25:02):
Madison and Brock Bauers, who is essentially this entire offense
ten catches for ninety four yards doing all he can
with not a lot around him, including at the quarterback position,
either one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
Sure, yeah, it's I swear every time I watch the Raiders,
I just realized that Alexander Madison and Brock Bowers are
the only things that are worth watching offensively, especially now
that Devonte Adams has gone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
I mean that the Alexander Madison. That's like, no one
said anything that nice about Alexander Madison. Wow, he's fine.
I just mean, like, I'm not like getting off my cut. Sorry,
Nick fran That's how low they are.

Speaker 2 (01:25:35):
That's how bad this offense is. Especially if the losing
Devontae Adams, you just don't have a lot of options,
and especially the complete instability at quarterback. So it was
interesting to see how they'd match up against this team.
And you're right, Patrick, I love Jared ver since he
was at Florida State. I thought they had a steal
of a pick in him when they got him in
the draft, and he balls out today. He's been having
a pretty good year overall, but in this matchup, you're
looking at the Rams, who also lack talent at receivers still,

(01:25:58):
and they have to claw their way into this game
or to be able to win this game. I mean,
you know, you finish the Raiders turn the ball over
four times and you'll win by five points, and it
comes down to a pick at the end of the game.
I think, Yeah, just the state of both these teams.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Yeah, that's a good call. Stafford only ends up with
one hundred and fifty four yards in this game. He
has an interception. Minshew ends up with one hundred and
fifty four yards on thirty four attempts and three interceptions,
one of the worst stat lines of the year. Brock
Bauers is the best tight end in the league. I
just believe it, at least just receiving tight end. I
don't know if you want to like, oh, you know,

(01:26:31):
he doesn't block as I don't know, he's I think
he's that good, he's that talented. Love watching this this
kid play. And I did get some notes from Jordan
rod Rieg, who was, you know, at this game. Obviously
she noted, you know, the changes they've made in the
secondary for the Rams have really paid off. They They've
got Cam click curl closer to the line of scrimmage.

(01:26:52):
They've got Quinton Lake is now playing there and he's
kind of lining everyone up and it's helping the communication.
Darius Williams Kobe Durant had a game here, so they've
been way more cohesive. And yes, it was against the Raiders,
but they did it against the Packers too, and they
look like they were figuring it out then. So I
think the offense though she says it's not just about
the injuries. They're they're missing a lot of assignments and

(01:27:15):
Cooper Cup is expected to return on Thursday, and so
that's gonna help. But in her opinion, you know, Cooper
Cup is not going to just fix all the issues.
They are having a lot of problems and you're you're
shaking your head, Nick Schook. Offensively, they're they're not where
they were a year ago. It's really Kyra Williams and
that's about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
Yeah, I mean, even Stafford the last couple of weeks
has tried his best to throw them to victory or
throw them into a competitive situation, and you know he didn't.
He threw a pick today and more often than not,
it's kind of burned him in the last few weeks,
and you look at them overall and you think, well,
injuries and everything, they kind of look like a bad
football team with a good quarterback who's kind of doing
too much to try to keep them alive. So it's
good to see them win this game, but like, I
really need them to support him a little bit better

(01:27:57):
so that he doesn't have to play hero ball every week.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
Right. Their defense really carried the day today, gets them
to two and four and gets them at least trying
to stay relevant ahead of this trade deadline. They're an
interesting team to watch. There are some reports that Cup
could be available that would be interesting, that there are
teams certainly that would think about it. It's a big
game for them Thursday night against the Vikings, and yes,

(01:28:21):
Jordan points out that Stafford might be playing his way
off of QB Island, but he's got he's got one
more game before we vote again. Great performance today by
Patrick claybun but most importantly, great performance by Patrick's kids
who are back in the control room.

Speaker 3 (01:28:40):
Extended scream Tom, they're doing great. Yeah, well we'll see you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Got a daddy is amazing. Oh, there's a lot of
buttons back here. They are in all of the studio.

Speaker 7 (01:28:52):
It's the upset of the year that none of those
buttons have been not just pressed but smashed, especially by
the big.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
No sticky buttons. They've been awesome. I love it. And yeah,
thanks to to Patrick for for showing up for work
when when no when when? Hey, uh no childcare? Help
tonight Angel City's playing and h you're in the studio,
so I appreciate you. And speaking of kids, actually, that
reminds me. We were doing the Lions game earlier and

(01:29:20):
I was going to play a message I got from
Walker just unprompted. He sent me a voice memo during
the game. So let's let's see what he had to say. Jimmy,
I say, okay, yeah, he's saying about four more of

(01:29:49):
those because he has Jamior Gibbs and his fantasy team
and I was going up against Jamiir Gibson. He was
enjoyed that performance. I wasn't my team he was going against,
but he knew he knew what he was doing. He
to rub it in and we're gonna take a problem locking,
all right, So we're gonna we're gonna say goodbye to

(01:30:09):
the Clay bonds and we're gonna finish off this show
with a little Sunday Night football Shook, stick around.

Speaker 4 (01:30:15):
Wilson gets the snap, looking, looking.

Speaker 11 (01:30:18):
Firing, has Jefferson touchdown Pittsburgh Steelers, And that's what.

Speaker 4 (01:30:23):
You wanted to see.

Speaker 14 (01:30:25):
That is just a great throw, a great confident throw
by a quarterback.

Speaker 10 (01:30:30):
Not and I'm not just disabusing anything that Justin Fields
has done.

Speaker 5 (01:30:35):
But that's a solid outpattern to Jefferson, and what a
great catch, and.

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
What a nice exclamation point on it.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
That was the exclamation point on a thirty seven to
fifteen Steelers victory on Sunday Night football. Hell, they added
another exclamation point, give it the double Slammer. Later in
the game, Nazie Harris got into a second half to
remember in a blowout victory for the Pittsburgh Steelers. Shook

(01:31:07):
and U didn't expect the score when it was fifteen
to six and the Jets had the ball with one
minute left in the second quarter. But that's what happens
when you go to Akerscher in the middle.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
It happens when you go to mister unlimited. Here you
go and he drops thirty one straight on you. The
Steelers offense humming For the most part, he's dropping dimes
all over the place with a touch pass. That not
to take away from anything from Justin fields just like
you're heard on the call. But I don't know if
there's a couple of throws that Russell made that could
that Justin was able to throw. That's what he brings
the offense to get it done in the red zone.

(01:31:41):
They had the kapper at the end. Tell you what
those who criticize this switch, myself included, well, we're eating
a little bit of crow. It's only one game, but
we are eating a little bit of crow because they
looked real good on offense tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
Yeah, it was a different Steelers offense over four hundred yards,
you know, the top thirty two points for the second
week in a row. First time they've done that without
Ben Roethlisberger at quarterback since Cordell Stewart back in the day. Look,
I don't think we need to overreact. Russell Wilson played
well in the second half. I thought his biggest completions

(01:32:14):
weren't on great throws, a couple underthrown passes where Pickens
comes back for the ball. Firemuth has an insane one
handed catch, Calvin Austin makes a great catch. The offense
was just better overall. The offensive line was good. Naje
Harris ends up getting one hundred and two yards. Jalen
Warren makes positive plays for seemingly the first time all season.
Maybe he's getting healthy. And yes, Chris Collinsworth pointed out

(01:32:38):
late in the game, they just got a little more
vertical and everyone stepped up. Russell Wilson started the game
so poorly the crowd was booing him out of the
stadium after four or five drives. It's crazy how quickly
this changes. And that's why I go back to that
fifteen to six score late in the first half. I'm
not gonna kill Aaron Rodgers for the throw that Beanie

(01:32:59):
Bishop picked off is a one handed play by Bishop.
He ends up getting a second interception later in the
game off a drop on a throw that goes right
off Garrett Wilson's chest. The first throw is also to Wilson,
but that play by Bishop. They end up capitalizing with
a nice touchdown from Russell Wilson. The pickings that cut
the lead to fifteen thirteen at halftime, and it really

(01:33:22):
changed the game. So to me, it was the total team,
the Steelers defense is better than the Jets. This Jets
defense is not good stopping the run, and tonight they
had players hurt in their secondary, and they weren't good
stop in the pass either, Whereas the Steelers defense gives
you all you can handle. Very physical, you know, Deshaun
Elliott's back there hitting TJ. Watts doing TJ Watt things.

(01:33:46):
Alex Highsmith was active in this game, Ogunjobi, and they're
just a pretty complete team now when they get their
offensive line playing pretty well like they did tonight.

Speaker 2 (01:33:55):
Yeah, you got Peyton Wilson chasing people down in the flat. Yeah,
I mean, it's they're a complete team. You're right. You know,
this is a team that was kind of becoming famous
for being able to win despite breaking three hundred yards offense.
They did it a few times in the first six
weeks of the season tonight four h nine. But the
most impressive to me, more than anything, the most impressive
element of it was they were the more physical team
on both sides of the ball. Like, look, that's Steelers football, right,

(01:34:18):
They're always gonna be a tough, physical team. But they
were remarkably more physical than the Jets were at the
point of attack and on both sides of the ball,
And I felt that's really what defined their comeback because
they're winning at the point of attack and the domination
just in the physical game. They willed their way into
the lead and then just put the Jets into submission,
just drove it home with the physical play.

Speaker 1 (01:34:37):
Yeah, the Jets look so despondent at the end of
this game. They're two to five, they fired their coach,
they lose. They tried for DeVante Adams, they lose. DeVante
Adams ends up with three for thirty not that involved
in the second half of this game. The Rogers threw
the ball to him nine times and for only thirty yards.

(01:34:57):
Their best offense was really short pass is to Breeze
Hall that he ends up, you know, breaking for some
long receptions one hundred and three yards, including a fifty
seven yard er. But he's just having to get rid
of the ball so quickly for them to make plays,
and it's just not happening when he's holding onto the ball.
I'm sure they'll have better days, including next week. They'll
beat the Patriots to get to three and five, and

(01:35:19):
their schedule is pretty favorable down the stretch in general.
So I'm not ready to, you know, totally dig dirt
on them, but it's a whole team thing. And and
Patrick and I. Patrick put him on fraud Watch a
while ago, so have I, and you know, they just
they they're they're not a complete team. They have all
sorts of problems. Everything's just like a little below average,

(01:35:42):
including their defense. Getting rid of Sala has not helped
their defense soccer.

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
No, And the worst part is is the whole Reddick thing,
the fact that he's going to come back this week.
It feels like another grab at straws. You know, it's
all right, let's go get Davanta to fix our passing game,
Let's go get Reddick. And they need him, they absolutely
need him. But this guy who hasn't been with the
team the whole time. So it's just like they're in
desperation mode. And when you don't win, despite making desperate
moves that you think are going to make your team better,

(01:36:06):
that just starts to build up. I do agree there
is a path of sorts for them to get back
into it, but they're going to start to run out
of time. They got to figure it out, and you know,
the short passing game that's been their offense all year
is just it didn't work tonight against the Steelers. It
will work in the future, but I need to see
more from them right now. You're right, just not a
complete team.

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
Yeah, and you helped me out here as the host.
We have not mentioned on the show that Hassan Reddick
is coming back, so yes, that's the big addition for
this week. I was wondering what the Jets or Aaron
Rodgers was gonna do to kind of shake up the narrative,
and that was it. And they get the perfect week
to play the Patriots and try to get back on

(01:36:43):
the winning side of things to get to three and five.
We'll see. I have noticed if sas Gardner is sas
Gardner a difference maker this year, I would say no,
he's not really having a good year. So different things
that you would expect this team to be great at,
especially at defense, they're not getting it done. But part
of that was they were playing a solid Steelers team,
where at five and two it's up to the Ravens

(01:37:05):
to match them. On Monday Night Football, and yes, Shook,
we will be back the two of us doing the
Monday night doubleheader and that just wraps up another Sunday,
another joyous Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:37:19):
Beautiful one. You know, you know, Greg, I feel like
when Russell Wilson is rolling out, no he touchdown passes
to Van Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (01:37:27):
You can't just do this, you can't just try to
set me up. But you're you are absolutely right, Bill. Yeah,
we're playing this music. Here we go. Do we needed
the music? I just want to thank everyone here stage,
claybon K, Malcolm claybon in the studios, Eric Randy behind
the glass doing a great job, Nick Shook and Patrick
and you're right. When the Jets are blowing games in

(01:37:50):
primetime and the Steelers are finding ways to win, you
know football is back.

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