2024 Week 8 Recap

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Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we always know to knock
the ball down at the goal line.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
On Hail Mary. I'm rolling around here in the Chris.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Wesleyan podcast studio with Patrick claybah Nick Shook.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Joining us from Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
And Yes, this is one of those days that as
the witching hour hit in the early window of games,
Scott Hansen's going nuts. I'm going nuts. There were so
many good games. I was like, I don't know what
game we could possibly start the show with, and then
a game in a moment just presents itself to us.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Yeah, And the thing is, there's so much that we
can discuss just on the final play of the game.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
And for those of you who were finding this out
on the podcast, Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Let's listen to the call. Then right off the path,
let's do.

Speaker 4 (00:55):
It the eight deep for we get the goal on
they bring three. Dabel's backing up. He's just gonna the one.
Flaw goes to the white song, steps away from.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
The defenders, gives himself some time now, steps up, fires
heads towards the end zone.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
It is talking about the ball, does just about hell

(01:46):
hell yes, Blood and Fletcher.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Blood and Fletcher Hell Mary Hell Yes, that.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
Was Bram Weinstein and yeah, London Fletcher w b I
d with talking about our Dodgers here in Los Angeles there.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think I could.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
Barely hear it over the screaming and yelling some pop.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yes, Jaden Daniels finds Noah.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Brown after a deflection up a few hands, but Tyreek
Stevenson was jumping in there at the end for the Bears.
And it goes to Noah Brown and the Washington Commanders
and what is turning out to be an absolutely magical
year win eighteen to fifteen. And when I saw this happen,

(02:33):
and my first thought was kind of like, ball, don't lie.
There was not a bad call in this game, and
yet they were the better team all day.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
And I was like, oh, the right team kind of won.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
And it was also the right team because I picked
them in Patrick Claven did yees And.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
So congratulations to Washington Commanders. Fans will celebrate that play
in that moment for the rest of your lives. It's
because I picked the Bears and stuck with them, which
felt like a great picnic considering the way that the
game was going, where the Bears could do absolutely nothing.
Caleb Williams had four completions late in the second half,
but then DeAndre Swift goes on a fifty plus yard

(03:05):
touchdown run. They come out the next drive, they go
nine plays eighty four yards, and then for some reason,
unbeknownst to everybody on the planet except for him and
a backup offensive lineman Shane Waldron, calls a play oh
and gives the ball to Doug Kramer in the on
the one yard line. He fumbles and the Commander's recover

(03:29):
somehow the Bears get back down there. Caleb Williams leads
a drive, they take the lead, and then history happens.
But just a very odd game with some odd decisions.
Either team could have won literally to the final seconds,
but Washington, you know, gets the miracle that will remember
for the rest of our lives.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
Did you scream in Cleveland, Nick Schuck when that happened?

Speaker 5 (03:48):
Yes, yes I did. I screamed almost at the top
of my lungs while sitting here in my office in
my house.

Speaker 4 (03:52):
Yes I did.

Speaker 5 (03:53):
And you're right, Greg, I think you hit the nail
right on the head there. It felt like Washington was
the better team, and when Chicago scored, I was like, oh,
this is a rotal loss for them because they've outplayed
them for the majority of this game. And then Jalen
drops back and throws to Hail Mary. That sends the
broadcasters into just shouting, like just undecipherable shouting, pure euphoria
in the form of football. That is the beauty of

(04:14):
this game. You know, how can you not love this
sport in moments like that? And also it really caps,
you know, an interesting week for Jalen. He gets hurt
in the previous week and we're talking about his rib
injury all week and whether he'll play, and he's questionable,
and then he decides to play. And then even on
the broadcast during the game, they're talking about how well
that rib. You know, I don't know if he's got
it in him to make that throw. Let's get the

(04:34):
ball near the fifty yard line at least give us
a chance. Ends up throwing it from the thirty five
and it manages to get there off of a sea
of defenders. That is hail Mary X book right there
offensively defensively. Let you forgot to leave a guy behind
there at Bears and the Commander's magical season continues.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Okay, I'm sick of these teams not sending extra rushers
on these hail maryors. Yes, think it's better and Bears
fans and people in my mention say, well, he got
the extra time because there was a whole like, yeah,
there was a hole towards the end of the play.
It wasn't the worst hold I've ever seen. Calm down
about that being the difference between when he and losing.
He held onto the ball for almost thirteen seconds. It

(05:11):
was the first touchdown pass according to next Gen Stats
that has been held for over ten seconds, like in
their entire era of keeping track. And I give Jayden
Daniels some credit obviously for this, not just that it
was a great throw because he got the arc on it,
but all that time that he bought, got his receivers

(05:33):
ready for, and got him in a position where he
could really run up and do it.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Because there was a moment a little earlier in.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
That play, probably after he held the ball about six
or seven seconds, where he thought he was going to
throw it, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
He decided to hold on run around a little more.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
That takes some supreme confidence, and yes, it takes a
little bit of luck on a day where he just
was so athletic. You said we could talk a lot
about just that play alone. What do you want to
talk about about that play?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Well, ultimately, which film review is going to show a
lot before the Before the play, Tyreek Stevenson is over
on the numbers, talking to the commander's sideline and fans
and being very demonstrative. And then the ball is snapped.
He wheels around. He ultimately cuts in front of Noah Brown.
It's his tip that goes to Noah Brown seconds after

(06:19):
tawning the sideline and the fans. And but ultimately, because
we saw on the Rogers hil Mary where the Bills
are rushing to the decision to like have have kind
of like a spy slash pass rush where you don't
necessarily know how how this is going. It's just a
calamity of errors for the Bears, where in a game

(06:42):
that that they had won, like despite their best efforts,
uh and the fumble on the goal line, the Bears
had this game won multiple times.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Right, and and it hurts so much because this game
felt like it meant a lot to the Bears, certainly
to Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
The two draft picks.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I thought Caleb was a little scattershow in the game,
the offensive line for the Bears did not play well
pass protecting. They had a couple injuries, and by the
end it's just a mass unit out there. Caleb finishes
ten for twenty four for one to thirty one, but
they get the touchdown on the end and on that
final drive, you know, he had some crucial passes.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
A great throw earlier.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
In the quarter to DJ Moore where DJ Moore got blasted.
I guess that was the one they didn't end up
scoring the touchdop, but the play to Keenan Allen that
he improvises was a great play. Some important throws to
Adunze who ends up with three for forty one, and
when they hit that touchdown Roshawn Johnson one yard run
with about twenty five seconds off, I just thought, Wow,
what a big moment in their season. It's such a
tough race in the NFC North, Nick like the game

(07:40):
almost meant more to them, but they they left too
much time on the clock for Jade and Daniels, and
they even did the thing that they that I wanted
teams to do. They actually kicked it short of the
goal line and they wasted a couple of seconds on
that and they got better field position Daniels's first pass,
so the drive was incomplete, but he did get one
to zach Ertz and then McLaurin for eleven and thirteen

(08:03):
yards to set up the touchdown. So that was good
situational football by Washington to eventually get the winn. And
it hurts because man, the Bears hadn't given up a
touchdown the whole day, which it was a great bend
but don't break performance by them, which is what Matt
Eberflus's defense is all about. End up giving up four
hundred and eighty one yards on the day, and yet
they hadn't given up a touchdown until that last play.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
Yeah, pretty much everything had to fall the right order.
I mean, they had had that one time out to
stop the clock when they got the pass over in
the middle, Ursy had to get the completion of the
sideline near the fifty yard line even set up that throw.
But it all comes down to two rules that I
would like to frame and add to my list that
I'm sometimes in the future I'm going to hang behind me,
which is one, never rush three We've talked about that before,
and two don't count your score before the ball is

(08:46):
in the hole, talking about Tyrek Stevenson tawning the sideline
and then immediately getting football karma shoved right in his
face as the ball glances off his hand for the
hail Mary. I mean, look, guys, how often do we
get a hill married Unless it's Aaron Rodgers throwing, it
doesn't happen offense. We really have to appreciate this, not
only because the context of the game, but just because
it was an amazing hill Mary.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
Right, And it's a win that puts the Commanders at
six and two. They're in a good division race. The
Bears are going to need every last one of these ones,
and it felt like they were going to steal one.
Let's hear from Dan Quinn on that final play.

Speaker 6 (09:15):
Look, Jayden did a fantastic job of, you know, buying time,
buying time over to the right side lesson.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
I don't know how long the play was, maybe you
guys might, but it took a long ass time. Thirteen seconds.

Speaker 7 (09:26):
Yeah, I felt every bit of them.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Oh my gosh, Patrick just showed me the vision of
from a fans camera of Stevenson. He wasn't just I
imagine It's like, well, before the snap is happening during
the play. He's taunting them during the play, and then
he whips around and he's like, oh my god, the
play is happening right now, and he starts running over

(09:49):
like he's that is absolutely amazing by him. I mean this,
and I hate to make it about the quarterbacks versus
each other, but I think it's fair to say jayde
danis playing better than Caleb Williams this season. Yeah, and
Jayden Daniels's movement in this game early, I know they
didn't have touchdowns, but he ends up with three hundred
and twenty six yards through the air, fifty two on

(10:09):
the ground, and some of the first downs Patrick Betty
scrambled for. It just took my breath away, the lateral
movement and just the explosion that he has as a runner.
He is just a special player. So Caleb's gonna get there.
He's been great and he had some good runs today
and DeAndre Swift helps out and everything, But Jayden Daniels
is at a level where like he's on quarterback Island
for instance, he's maybe in the MVP race.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
That's like the level that he's playing at.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And the whole field is in play with Jayden Daniels,
and you see it like you see late stage Russell
Wilson ignoring the middle of the field. Right, there's really
nowhere where you can count on Jayden Daniels to not
have an option, especially considering the way the Terry mclaurin's playing.
He caught him on the sixty plus yarder earlier in
the game, where again Tony Romo was concerned about his ribs,

(10:54):
as Romo should be as a guy who's played with
busted ribs multiple times through his career. He hits McLaurin there,
zach Ertz, you really involved in this game. He got
eleven targets seventy seven yards, but Terry had won twenty five.
But it's just the speed to the edge from Jayden
Daniels where you're not the player doesn't exist, right, That's

(11:16):
gonna be in the middle of the field with Jaden
Daniels watching, and then Jayden Daniels decides that he's gonna
take the sideline and get five yards.

Speaker 4 (11:23):
That that player does not exist.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's the part that reminds me the most of Lamar
because that's how I thought to his his rookie years,
like when he goes to the edge like you're not
gonna stop him before we move on from this incredible
game in moment. Randy Chavez a great producer. I don't
know how he heard that the Portuguese call was so great,
but he's like, you got to hear this Portuguese call
of the play.

Speaker 2 (11:43):
It's pretty great, and I got it. It is pretty great.

Speaker 8 (11:45):
Jadon Daniels, Mary Lou Lush nice my submiss a, Stampos Chain, Dannis.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Who glado look that kind of day in Washington.

Speaker 9 (12:19):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
One fan who said that's been there to every single
game said the explosion when that touchdown was caught, that
was the loudest they have ever heard. That stadium shaping
up to be a special season. Let's go to Cleveland
where it's been a tough season, but they had a
special day too.

Speaker 10 (12:36):
If you're the Cleveland brown one, pay to get a
huge emotional witch.

Speaker 11 (12:43):
You gotta think twenty four yards, let's go three seconds, this.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Is it for the win.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Makes some noise, We're every you can hear the.

Speaker 12 (12:51):
Sounds about our voice right now.

Speaker 11 (12:53):
Twenty four yard nine shut guns rounds up, twenty nine,
twenty four. Lamar Jackson has the football it's rushing for Lamar,
flushed out, Lamar chase by scenarios, Lamar Jackson are poisonarious.
He's gotta throwing, directing traffic, punk pak now throwing end zone,
go corner.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
No, God it cook Ude, The Crowns Will twenty nine,
twenty four. You just knew it.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
You knew it, you felt it.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
So many things happening this game, they're unexplainable. Let it
all landed up to a brownswin. This one's for you.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
Just thought of it.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
What a call one of the calls of the year.
Put that on the list. Yes, that was Andrew Ceciliano,
w K R K Andrew and Nathan Zegura. An emotional moment. Yes,
Jim Donovan, the late great play by play announcer of
the Browns, lost his battle with cancer over the weekend,

(14:04):
sixty eight years old. And if you have a chance,
watch the camera work of that play on Andrew and
Nathan Zigern and there's even more to it. It's emotional.
It's kind of what broadcasting is all about. And I
know for those two guys, they were playing hurt today
because you know they were friends with Jim Donovan and

(14:25):
he meant a lot to that organization, Andrew Barry. Kevin
Stefanski actually went to the house of the Donovans and
gave the game ball to his wife and his daughter.
But what a game they had in Cleveland. Nick took
the Browns win it twenty nine to twenty four. We
had scores back and forth in the fourth quarter. In

(14:48):
the final five minutes, Hopkins gets a field goal, the
Ravens get a touchdown with two and a half minutes left,
and then Jamis Winston leads a touchdown drive that you
know is capped by a touchdown to Cedric Tillman for
thirty eight yards, and the Browns when an improbable game
against the team we thought was the best in the
AFC outside of Kansas City.

Speaker 5 (15:08):
Yeah, I still think they're the best, but this was
a special day, like you said, for a team that's
had a tough season. Jameis Winston breathed life into this
offense that we have not seen all season because Deshaun
Watson was playing quarterback. You know, Patrick and I think
joked about this a few weeks ago when Jamis came
in for a meaningless drive and moved the ball down
the field and scored a touchdown. Where even in the
few throws that he had he looked like the best
quarterback on the team. Well they got that for four

(15:30):
quarters today. Now he took his typical Jamis risks for sure,
a few interceptions worthy passes that were not caught, including
one that was dropped by Kyle Hamilton that probably would
have sealed the game or at least made it a
lot more difficult for the Browns to come back against
the Ravens. And yet none of that stuff happens. They
get every bounce to go their way. They get all
their receivers involved. David a Jok, who has a great day,
makes a great touchdown catch, makes a great diving catch

(15:51):
early in the game. Jerry Judy, who was very frustrated
a week earlier, gets involved. Elijah Moore. Cedric Tillman catches
two touchdown passes, probably the first time Browns fans have
seen anything from Cedric Tillman, and that defense came to
play like it has for most of the season. They
limited Lamar to twenty three to thirty eight passing. You know,
for twenty nine two touchdowns, it's still a good enough,
good line, But if you watched it visually, you would
see that things were difficult for the Ravens is because

(16:12):
of that Browns defense. So the first time they put
together a total team win, it started with Jameis Winston.
It was not just him and absolutely an emotional day
for Browns fans who lost a local legend who's been
here for thirty plus years and a perfect way to
do it.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
Let's listen to Jamis on the podium talking about those
dropped interceptions, because yeah, there was more than one.

Speaker 13 (16:33):
What went through your mind when you saw Kyle Amlson
dropped that dropped the interception?

Speaker 9 (16:38):
Oh, I started praying instantly, you know, I started praying instantly.
It was only about a grace of God. And I
think when situations like that happened, you always sit back
and you be like, man, I still got the stuff
to work on, right, because it could have been a
matter of whatever. Who knows how we would feel right
now if that would have happened. But I'm so grateful
that that was an if and ifs and should and

(16:59):
would have could haves.

Speaker 4 (16:59):
Don't mehing in his game?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Well we're well, we're on Jamis.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Let's just listen to all his post game sound because
he was he was in rear form and yeah, I
mentioned that Kyle Hamilton dropped that you also did too, shook. Yeah,
that would have basically ended the game. But there were
a few in this game, and a few It was
to Eddie Jackson, the Raven safety who was playing in
place of Marcus Williams, a big ticket free agent signing
who just has not been playing well this year at all,

(17:26):
did not play all in this game. John Harbass said
that we're working through some things there and they expect
Marcus Williams to play well by the end of the season.
Mate made me wonder if something else happened when they
told Marcus Williams that he was benched. Maybe it didn't
go too well because he got zero snaps on a
day where they were a little thin in the secondary,

(17:47):
and maybe he wouldn't have been in position like Eddie Jackson.
But I kept thinking, well, Marcus Williams, if nothing else,
has good hands. He probably would have caught those passes.
Let's listen to Jamis as I was saying right after
the game.

Speaker 14 (17:57):
Man, there's a there's a white boy from Detroit that
I really admired and m He said, you only get
one shot, do not miss a chance to blow this
opportunity last once.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
In a lifetime.

Speaker 14 (18:08):
And I know I got a quote, you know, Eminem
he from Detroit, he right up the road.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
But man, I'm just grateful.

Speaker 14 (18:13):
I'm grateful that the Lord prouded me with this opportunity.
I'm grateful for my teammates, my coaches, and these amazing fans.

Speaker 4 (18:19):
His soul is escaping through the hole that is gaping.
That was the.

Speaker 3 (18:24):
It's tough to It's tough, Greg's it's really tough. And
congratulations on a great win to the Cleveland Brown. Yes,
but you mentioned the dropped interception by Eddie Jackson. There
was the dropped third and seventeen completion to Rashod Bateman.

Speaker 4 (18:37):
Zay Flowers had drops as well.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
Drops for the story of the game for Baltimore, who
once again has come into a game against the team
with one of the worst records in the NFL after
being one of the best teams in the NFL, clearly
showing that they can beat anybody anywhere, but they can
also lose to anybody anywhere in the most chaotic effects.

(19:00):
And it's not like you could pick any one of
those plays. The cal Hamilton drop, Lamar had missus as well,
that could have been six today. It was a total
team effort, including in the play calling where Derek Henry
kind of disappeared for large swasps of this game. All
credit to the Browns and the Schwartz defense, but that's

(19:22):
a tough loss.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, I want to credit CBS for that postgame interview,
and yes, Eminem for a song that's still doing so
well among the youth. I was at a fall festival
inside of like one of those video game trucks with
my son on Friday night, school sponsored like video game trucks,
and Lose Yourself comes on and a whole bunch of

(19:45):
sixth graders are just, you know, singing the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Knows every single one.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
Then it is passed down through generations Nick and who knows,
maybe Jameis Winston will too as a Browns quarterback.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Three thirty four and three touchdowns. He's your future now, I.

Speaker 5 (20:00):
Mean for the rest of the season. There's no question
that he's the guy. I mean, he'll throw picks. This
is what you're gonna get. But that's also what they
got out of Joe Flacco. So Browns fans probably felt
like it was deja vu to a degree because that's
what Flacco did down the stretch last year. This team's
not making the playoffs, but it's nice to see them,
you know, actually form a competent offense for one week
with a quarterback, you can get the ball out on
time and largely accurately. It's something that they definitely needed

(20:21):
after what's been a rough year.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, competent and considering the investment. Much like the forty
one million dollars that went into making the film eight
Mile when it grows two and forty one million dollars.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Wow, Yeah, a good bargain. Directed by my guy Curtis Hansen.
There it's coming off wonder Boys. I mean, what a
wild one to two punch that was for different types
of movies. Yeah, when you see Cedric Tilben go seven
for ninety nine, Elijah Boor eight for eighty five, Judy
five for seventy nine, in Djoku five for sixty one,

(20:51):
you're like, oh, yeah, it was all always the quarterback.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
It was always the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
And it's crazy to me if Jamis Winston plays well
enough to possibly save Andrew Berry's job, because if Andrew
Berry's signing, you know, signing of Deshaun Watson was so
bad because he got hurt. Like Deshaun Watson, staying was
the way for them to tank. I think there might
be part of the people in the front office that
want as high a draftic as possible. Jameis Winston might

(21:16):
help to ruin that. And it only happened because their guy,
Deshaun Watson got hurt.

Speaker 2 (21:20):
It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Let's end on a positive, no, or at least a
bittersweet note. We've had so many Jim Donovan calls over
the years on the Around the NFL podcast, and now
we're here as the NFL Daily Podcast, and I think
about that that great Brown's victory, which is the second
to last show that Chris Ever did on the show.

(21:42):
That's very emotional for Mark on the show. Love seeing
the Browns getting that win. And so many different great
calls over the year. Let's listen before we go to
the next game, to one other great Jim Donovan call.

Speaker 10 (21:55):
Mayfield under center, second down in ten takes the snap,
gives it Bruns.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
He's in a tenth fifteen, He's in.

Speaker 10 (22:02):
The twenty twenty five, thirty, thirty five, forty, forty.

Speaker 13 (22:05):
Five, fifty there ghost Jim hes in the thirty twenty
down five touchdown shop Alahap.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Ninety two yards.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Pretty unbelievable. He has a second gear.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
I just got hit more by you than I did
it by fourteen years in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Oh what play?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
That was the longest run in Brown's history, called by
the great Jim Donovan, Rest in peace.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
When I joined the Browns in twenty nineteen, was there
for about a year. You know, there's a lot of
new faces, a lot of people that I got to
know very well. But nobody was kinder to me and
more welcoming to me when I showed up than Jim Donovan.
This is the guy I grew up listening to you
know on Brown's radio since nineteen ninety nine. I mean,
I remember when he called, you know a hail married
Kevin for the Browns first woman. They came back as
an expansion team over the Saints in the Superdome. Meeting

(23:05):
him was like a dream come true. Getting to know him,
becoming friends with him is even better. We'd be in
the locker room, he'd come up and just asked me
about an upcoming opponent and getting my take. He loved
the talk, He loved football, he loved people, and he
loved Cleveland, and when I left to come back here,
he was one of the first people to make an
emphatic statement of congratulations and best of luck. And he
took time when I worked on a feature about the

(23:27):
city of Cleveland a head of the draft. This is
a massive loss for the community. I know he stepped
away this year, but he will not be forgotten anytime soon.
He was a fantastic individil and it explains all the
emotion I'm feeling it right now that people had in
that stadium today. So rest in peace. He will be
forever missed.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
Well said Nick. Let's go to our next game, and yeah,
rest in peace. Jim Donovan wheeling.

Speaker 4 (23:50):
Down on one knee, arm extend and here's the standard.
Let's been made. The kick is up.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Man is God.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
For a second week in a row.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Brandon Manas delivers the dagger and the.

Speaker 7 (24:03):
Packers have defeated the Jaguars thirty to twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, it was a wild day. That was way Wayne
Larvie on wr.

Speaker 4 (24:15):
In W.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, it's a.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Game winning dagger from Brandon McManus again, set up by
Malik Willis, a fifty one yard pass. Unfortunately, Jordan Love
gets hurt again. He has a groin injury. More on
that in a bit, But Patrick Malik Willis comes in,
has a couple of runs that are important, and then yes,
an important throw to Jayden Reid to set up that

(24:41):
game winner. They're finding ways to win no matter who's
that quarterback.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Yeah, and the Packers were down thirteen to ten when
Malik Willis comes into that game. Jordan Love injured himself
rolling to his right early on in the game. He's
kind of hobbling, not kind of, he was clearly limping
handing the ball off. They did have a couple of
scoring drops. I had a good ball to Romeo Dobbs
as well. But late this was Milik Willis making plays,

(25:05):
including a fifty one yarder to Jayden Reid in the
closing moments to set up that Brandon McManus field goal,
and also a huge play by Devonte Wyatt to get
to a strip sack of Trevor Lawrence late in the
game that set the Packers up deep in Jags territory
where it was really because so many times it's like, oh,

(25:26):
you know, you just wanted it more, and you say that,
it's like this guy's out there trying hard, but this
was really an explosive effort to beat the Jags to
that ball and to get it back. But again, having
a solid, young backup quarterback that could come in on
the road in these situations to get a win. It
makes me think of an AFC South team that probably
wouldn't mind to have Milik Willis watching him again do

(25:49):
it against another squad as he did against his former team,
the Titans earlier this year.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
And it's coaching too, like it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
If Milik Willis was in Tennessee, wouldn't be having the
success if he was in Miami.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So a wonder can coach.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I don't think you'd be having this success because Mike
McDaniel doesn't seem to be able to know how to
make it translate, and yet they do.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Here.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Let's listen to Matt Lafleur talk about Jordan Love's injury
because obviously that's a big takeaway from this game.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
No idea, but obviously high level of concern anytime a
guy's in there, and he did it early in that
first drive, and I think you guys, I think everybody
could see him struggling to move around, and I just
got to a point where we didn't feel like and
he didn't feel like he could protect himself. So I

(26:36):
went with Malik, And can't say enough great things about
Malik willis the job that he's able to do to
go in there. You know, the moment's never too big
for him. And he made a lot of big time
plays in this game.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, Josh Jacobs did to one hundred and twenty seven
yards on the ground, a couple of touchdowns. Tucker Kraft
gets it done with another long score in this game.
A lot of the heroes that have been helping the
Packers get to six and two shook like Xavier McKinney
within an interception helps him get a win here. And
this win feels even bigger because they have the Lions
next week and we'll see it.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
We'll see about love.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
But in this division, you want to be banking those
wins as much as possible, especially if you're not going
to be you know, having your quarterback out there.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
We'll see.

Speaker 5 (27:15):
Yeah, absolutely, any game where you gave up the lead late,
you had to fight back to take the lead, then
it looked like you were gonna run away with it
or at least you know, kind of coast to the
finish line, and all of a sudden, it's a tie
of ball game because of a great drive by Trevor Lawrence,
which we can get to in a second, because he
looked pretty good. But you know, you make the point
about coaching. I think this is the most impressive Malik
Willis appearance of the season because he had to do
it in the middle of the game. They didn't have
all week to build a game plan around his strengths,
you know, according to the team they were playing. He

(27:37):
just had to come in and figure it out. He
ends up going four for five for fifty six yards
in a touchdown pass and he makes a phenomenal throw
down the sideline to set up the end up the
eventual game winning field goal. I mean he also took
off with his legs to keep drives going. These are
things that he's kind of gaining confidence as he plays
more and realizes, look, these are my strengths, these are
my weaknesses, and this is what I should do within
the game. And now he's not overwhelmed anymore. So I

(27:58):
know he's still a backup quarterback, but I was just
very impressed by how he was able to step in
and they didn't really miss a beat. They were able
to fight back, take the lead, and end up winning
the game. Really really resounding, you know, statistically kind of
short appearance, but resounding appearance for him.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
On Sunday, Yeah, and it was you mentioned that Examer.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
You guys both talked about that Xavier McKinney interception could
have wound up being the difference in this game. Where
Brian Thomas Junior is running a clear out, trev looks
up and thinks that x is are going to go
with the speedy rookie, but McKinney hesitates, comes back across
his body and picks off a pass intended for Christian Kirk.
And the Jacks had to come back in this game

(28:36):
without Christian Kirk because there was a deep ball down
the middle of the field that got punched out late.
Christian Kirk lands directly on his shoulder, was on the
ground writhing in pain. It was it shook points out
another solid trev game where it was aside from that
play in the strip sack, this is what you want
from Trevor Lawrence.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
They've got a good offense. I think we can officially
stamp it. They're a good offense for years.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Yeah, well, especially when Tank Bixby ends up, you know,
carrying the load in the backfield. And Brian Thomas is
having a great rookie year, and Christian Kirk makes an impact,
but it all starts with Trevor, and a lot of
it before was Trevor not being consistently accurate, just near
misses here and near missus. They're a bad pick or
two in a game. He shook off a bad pick
in this game because they picked off Jordan Love and
then he instantly gives the ball right back to them.

(29:19):
Right he is able to come back from that. They
didn't have a first down until inside six minutes left
in the first half. Yeah, and they wake up all
of a sudden. He leads a touchdown drive, they lead
a field goal drive. Suddenly they're right back in the game.
He picks up where he left off in the second half,
and then they need a touchdown late and he goes
down the field again. It was frantic, but it was
kind of electric, Like I love seeing trev cook when
they didn't have a lot of time and the pressure
was on because in many situations he's wilted in the past.

(29:41):
So look, they're still two and six they have a
long way to go and everything else, But I, for
the first time in a while, feel kind of good
about his outlook.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Offensively, sure, but he's having these good games. Then Yeah,
then the other team scores thirty and it just feels
like a long march.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
But you never know.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Brian Thomas was a great first pick, ends up with
three for sixty and a touchdown. Some outstanding plays within
there not a lot to feel good about.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Offensively.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
We will see about Jordan Love and hopefully he can
get healthy for that Lions game next week. We're just
getting started here on NFL Daily. Oh, good games to
start with. Yeah, let's start rolling through that early window
when Scott Hansen was just like losing his mind.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
We'll hit those games after the break. Cousins works in
a pistol.

Speaker 7 (30:39):
Here, five claps and he gets a snap. You gonna
rip it for pants caught Kylen Stride twenty five, twenty fifteen,
ten five touchdown, The ball got knocked, loosers, pitch broke
the line. Oh this is close, this is really close.
They awarded him the touchdown.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
That sigh of relief you heard from Tampa was from
Kyle Pitts. It was from West Durham. It was from
Dave Archer on w zg C. Yeah, that was a
forty nine yard touchdown catch where Kyle Pitts looked about
as fast as we've seen him since his rookie year,
but he lets up a little.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Bit at the end and Antoine Winfield he did it again.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
He's he saved the Buccaneers season, I thought last year
with a play very similar to that against the Panthers
with about three weeks left of the season got them
into the playoffs. And I understand why they couldn't overturn
it because there wasn't a totally clear view. But I
bet Bucks fans and people that picked him to win
this game like me, believe he got that ball out

(31:43):
before they got it over the goal line and just
couldn't overturn it. The Falcons hang on for a thirty
one to twenty six victory on a day shook where
you can just plug it in before the game even starts.
Baker Mayfield ends up with three touchdowns and two interceptions,
and somehow that's like super flattering to how he actually played. Meanwhile,
Kirk Cousins, you might as well punch it in before

(32:04):
the game starts too. When he plays Todd Bowles lights
him up for four touchdowns. Kirk co is on fire
against this Bucks team.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
Yeah, and you know what kills me though about the
Falcons and not to put a damper on a win.
Nothing is easy with this team. It's a shootout of sorts.
In the first half, they pull away, it looks like
they're going to pull away at least, you know, they
go up by a couple scores, and then they let
it get close late because Baker does the same thing
he did a week ago after throwing two picks. Suddenly
he leads a comeback charge and they're in position to
potentially tie the game or maybe win the game. This

(32:32):
time they fall short. But it's just like young way
Ku miss is a field goal on. I'm just like Falcons,
come on for once, just make it a little bit easy.
That doesn't cast any sort of paul over the day
that Kirk Cousins had because he was excellent for the
vast majority of it, hooking up a Darnell Mooney for
a touchdown, Kyle Pitts Bijon Robinson. This offense was humming.
It's a good win for them in the division. But
my God, guys, make it a little bit easier on me.

(32:53):
You know, I already lost my hair. But make it
a lot easier on me.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Why just because you're writing it up or whatever and
you want it to be simple.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
Don't you want good football games? Shook?

Speaker 5 (33:00):
No, I want a good football team to finish strong.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Are they a good football team?

Speaker 5 (33:04):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
We'll never know if it keeps. Because I've had the
same experience Nick did. We're you know, doing all the
doing all these different games. I look up, Okay, I
don't have to worry about the falcon all right anymore.
I can pay attention to the rest of the games.
Then I look back up and there goes Bucky irving
on like and it's like, what where? Where's the consistency?
Like they needed a Jesse Bates incredible interception, uh to

(33:29):
keep this comeback from from even being more of a comeback.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Right Ku miss is a kick which he's done in
big spots a handful of times this year that the
safety was just a ridiculous play. Baker, I think is
costing this team. But I'm glad you mentioned Jesse Bates.
I just think it has to be mentioned. Starts the
game off with incredible peanut punch and then you know
caps it late with a beautiful interception. That just aren't

(33:54):
many safeties doing it like this. This team, I don't
think they're a good team. They do have a lot
are really good players, most of them are on offense.
It's not a good defense. It's the worst pass rush
in the entire NFL statistically and by the eye test.
But my god, Jesse Bates is worth like a couple
wins alone. When when it's Antoine Winfield and Jesse Bates
going at it, it's like the best safety on safety

(34:16):
matchup in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (34:18):
Yes, the clash of the safeties, and Baker Mayfield had
to pay for it a couple of times in this game.
You know, I do want to talk more about him because, please,
let's face it, he's he's operating without his top two receivers.
He's forced to play with the likes of you know,
Jalen McMillan, and you know, he's throwing his running backs
a lot, and he's throwing a Trey Palmer and like
Kate Otten's going off because he's probably his best target.
He had nine for eighty one and two touchdowns today

(34:39):
on National tight End Day. It's a shout out to you.

Speaker 1 (34:43):
You got to got to pay a fine for mentioning that.
So oh no, well fine, I was ready to have
a pre show meeting and just say that rule, but
I just figured everyone would understand.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
But thank you too late.

Speaker 5 (34:55):
I'm in jail. I'm in jail. I'm out for the
just silence me.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
No.

Speaker 5 (34:58):
But Baker also like missus, and he doesn't have as
much of a rapport with guys, and he's you know, energetic,
aggressive Baker, and he's always going to put his pedal
to the floor and get after it and it's going
to cost them. And it's kind of where he's been
the last couple weeks because you took Mike Evans out
of the equation and you took Chris Godwin out of
the equation, and he's operating with less than a full deck.
So this is kind of the outcome that I think
Bucks fans are probably gonna want to have to expect

(35:20):
from this offense for at least the next few weeks,
if not the rest of the season, and hopefully it
doesn't produce close losses like this.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
Yeah, they now have the tie break obviously over the
Buccaneers and the lead in the division.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
It's a massive win for them.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I mean, look, they can try to figure out their
weaknesses as they march towards the playoffs, because this is
an awful division with two of the worst teams in
the NFL in it, and you've already swept the other
team that's in the division. I want to watch this
game closer later. But you know, one of my working
theories lately is that Baker Mayfield's a problem for this team.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Wow, Actually everything.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
You live, you live and die by him what it is,
because he actually had a nice first half until the
picks started piling up, and you live and die by him.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
But I think I think he's being set up for
success in a really meaningful way. I think the scheme,
it's getting guys open. They're protecting him well in the inconsistency,
and that's just Baker. I guess, like, why would you
expect it to be different? But don't sell me on
that it is different. It's right, it's right there on
the Dalton scale line, except I'd rather have someone like

(36:24):
Andy Dalton, who you kind of know what you're getting,
versus someone that's like over for a quarter and then
sinking you for a quarter. Patrick disagrees because he has
them in the MVP race.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
Still, No, it's just tough.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
It's tough to win those games where you're you're going out,
and we celebrate right players making plays like Jade Daniels
did it today or we saw Josh Allen talk about
him in a little bit. Yeah, and it's just like
Andy Dalton isn't doing that.

Speaker 5 (36:49):
It's just Andy Dalton.

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Baker's two interceptions that.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Came today on deep passes, you know, the one that's
going to Miller, right, it's a whole lot different if
that's if that's Evans.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
The mist to McMillan. There's just it's just a little scattershot.
It's a little crazy. Maybe just not my style. Kirk
Cousin's getting it done. Still, never move in the pocket,
never having a problem in this division. He's just standing
firm and he's making a Habit really says something about
his arm talent and his veteran savvy. He's seen a
lot and he's he's seeing this Bolls defense. By the way,

(37:23):
Bulls just driving Bucks fans a little crazy. After the
game when he's like, hey, it's just the same stuff
we're always running. It's not basically saying like I'm not
adding anything fancy that they can't execute. It's just our
execution because we're running the same stuff that we usually
do well.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
That's part of the problem.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
You're running the same stuff that you usually do and
it never works against this team. It's never really working
this year in general, but it's definitely not working against
the Falcons. Let's go to New England, where not many
things were working consistently, but it was pretty fun.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Smith is in the backfield line up as a fullback.

Speaker 2 (37:55):
Stevens in the jail back. Henry motions left the right
Prishett hands a Kiver moderiate.

Speaker 13 (37:59):
He runs into the right shock got it pauses ony
of the episode and.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
The lead touchdown Patriots. It's a big point shot by
Jacoby Persett. It robers disbeliegue.

Speaker 7 (38:13):
The Jets have choked another game away.

Speaker 2 (38:19):
I want to put that out of the potential cause
of the year. Choked another gave away. There was twenty
two seconds left of the game.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
There's plenty of time for Rogers after they kicked the
touchback to make a couple plays, but he didn't. He
was up and down all day, Jacoby Pressett was mostly
just up. That was a big boy drive. That was
the drive of the Patriots season, seventy yards in twelve
plays in under three minutes to stick a touchdown on

(38:46):
the Jets to win the game. They hit the two
point conversion as well. Yes, Prissette was in the game
for an injured Drake May who took a hard hit
to the head and was ruled out with a concussion.
And I was for Jacobi Brissett as as a Patriots
fan and as a person because he just seems like

(39:06):
one of the best dudes possible. Let's actually listen to
Jacoby Brissette before we get the conversation started after the
game on the podium.

Speaker 15 (39:16):
As no redemption. You know, I think this is a
testament to me believing in myself and not y'all. And
I'm very aware of that, and you know, I was.
I was very fortunate that, you know, to have this
opportunity and to go out there and you know and
get a win, you know, with our guys. You know,
it was you know sweet. I mean, you can't put

(39:37):
it into words, but you know, I'm not trying to
like be arrogant nothing, but I'm very proud of myself today.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
It's so funny because he wasn't being remotely arrogant, and
like he's such like a humble, self effacing guy that
he's even saying, like I'm not trying to be arrogant,
Like we we are giving you this one.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
Jacoby Brissette, this was Patriots super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
If you could pick one game on the entire rest
of the schedule to win, and it might be the
only win on the entire rest of the schedule, this
would be the game because you are dragging your rival
Jets into the Meyer. Except it feels even worse if
you're you know, the Jets, because the expectations are so
much higher. They're both two and six. The difference is

(40:18):
the Patriots feel good about their young quarterback. They're disappointed
that he got hurt in this game, But for anyone
that didn't watch this game close, they wouldn't blame you.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
There was a lot of good games in the early
one dy.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
If you look at Brissett's stat line twenty five or
fifteen for twenty four one pint thirty two, it's like, oh,
it's kind of like Jacoby at the beginning of the year,
No zero running game help. Other than that touchdown run,
they just couldn't get it done. Their running backs went
twenty five for fifty six in this game. The drops
were absolutely insane. I counted six to seven drops. Almost

(40:48):
all of them would have been for first downs. Most
of them are on really good throws. There was a
holding penalty that called back one of Brissett's best plays,
which is forty yards.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Down the field.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
The drops started with Drake Bay, but they mostly were
with Jacoby Verssett, and then the throw that Jacoby had
to Kishon Boody, who's like their best receiver, which is
hilarious on the final drive came on a blitz where
he's taking a hit right in the leg as he's
delivering at thirty four yards downfield. It was a really

(41:17):
good performance. He gave them mature quarterback play. I think
Drake May would have done well too. He started off
the game well because they were getting protected. And if
you protect your quarterbacks like these two quarterbacks show and
they can do it. It's a bad sign for the
Jets though, that they offered so little resistance to this
passing game.

Speaker 4 (41:33):
Patrick. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
The Jets also saw the best runner on the day,
which was Drake may finished up right as the almost
the leading rusher on how many three for forty six
on seventeen fewer carries the Monterrey Stevenson three for forty
six yards and that touchdown that came on the opening drive,
leading us to the question are the Jets soft now?

Speaker 9 (41:54):
Is?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Yes?

Speaker 4 (41:55):
Is Softgate effectively over?

Speaker 3 (41:57):
Did girod Mayo not make the players sad and they
and they were all mad and quickly trying? Or was
that overwrought as Jacoby might have illuminated when he suggested
that he wasn't listening to those.

Speaker 2 (42:07):
Guys you're saying we soft. We're soft in the media
for making a big novel.

Speaker 3 (42:11):
Particularly the people in the room that Jacoby Brissett were
talking to. Perhaps their reaction was a little bit overwrought
about softness and the soft conversation. Really it comes down
to the Jets aren't a good football team and the
Patriots might not be either, but today they were better
than the Jets.

Speaker 4 (42:31):
They just were.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
And if you look at Aaron Rodgers numbers a decent
passing passing day seventeen to twenty eight, two thirty three,
two touchdowns, But it continues to be Aaron having to
get rid of the ball crazy early in plays, early
on in the progression, the time to throw. Aaron Rodgers
today thirty five percent of his attempts under two and

(42:56):
a half seconds.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right, and it wasn't getting pressured much. So he's been
consistent to me in a weird way. He's kind of
the same guy every week, which is he the throws
are even either amazing like he spins it, kind of
like I've been talking about with Kirk Cousins. He had
some great throws today to Garrett Wilson, goes five for
one to thirteen. Wilson gets the benefit of not having
Christian Gonzales on him, so he gets the better match

(43:18):
up against Marcus Jones. That shows you, Okay, that's the
DeVante Adams trade helping them out. Or he looks old
as hell and just not comfortable under pressure, which is
not the Aaron Rodgers that we know.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
Certainly not moving.

Speaker 1 (43:30):
He's won for four outside the pocket for like no yards,
and they're just poorly run. It was comical they burned
three timeouts in the first half because they couldn't get
the play in on time in the first quarter. They
had another big one in the second half which ended
up losing large. They had two delay of games because
they couldn't get the plays off, including on the two

(43:51):
point conversion, so they had to go further. That ended
up being a big moment in this game late in
the game. So they just look poorly run on offense,
like disjointed players, not plays, kind of like decent players,
but not good enough plays. And on defense, they're just
kind of a bad defense. I think it's been long
enough to say that they're a below average defense and

(44:11):
Jeff Ulbrick is zero to three.

Speaker 5 (44:13):
Nick Cook, Yeah, poorly run, which usually points to a
coach who's about to get fired, except they already fired
their coach and they demoted their offensive coordinator. You can't
make any more changes on the staff that are going
to affect you not being able to get plays in
and getting you know, operations, penalties. That's already that ship
has sailed. And at the same time, this is Aaron
Rodgers not trusting his offensive line, by the way, because
I think that at this point he's accepted I don't

(44:35):
have time to throw. I'm not gonna be able to
sit back there except for maybe three or four times
a game and actually scan the field. Which then shortens
your entire offense. He lost the trust in the offensive
line because they didn't protect him well. Over the first
six or seven weeks, his average time to throw is
point two seconds slower than it was the previous four
seasons he played before he missed all of last season.
That's according to Next Gen's staff looked that one up
last week, and that's alarming because what was the strength

(44:57):
of Aaron Rodgers when he was with the Packers. He
trusted offensive line, He knew how to navigate the pocket,
and he would be able to find guys open with
receivers he trusted. He got a receiver he trusted. He
still doesn't good to go to him very often. This
whole offense is limited and shortened by the fact that
it starts with Rogers, not because he's necessarily playing poorly,
but because he knows he can't be his full self.
Oh and by the way, he's forty years old and

(45:18):
dealing with the pressure of a team that is now
two and six and seems to be going nowhere, especially
with the defense. They can't get a stop against the
freaking Patriots in the final three minutes of a football game.
That is embarrassing. I don't care how you slice it.
It's embarrassing. And you know what, one more tip of
the cap here to Scott Zolek, who a few weeks
ago was so despondent after their loss to the Dolphins
that he said, there's gonna be some changes that need

(45:38):
to be made, and if you don't want to make
those changes, it's going to be a dark year or
whatever something along those lines. He got that change at quarterback,
and then he had to eat his words when the
other quarterback came in and led him to victory today.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Okay, fair, I don't know if that's the changes that
he was looking for, and part of it, you're right,
And I was really upset about the failure of the
spotter the game and the failure of the officials, not
only to call the late hit on a slide to
the head of Drake.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
May that clearly concustom.

Speaker 1 (46:09):
If you're watching the broadcast copy, you saw in a
second like his teammates went over to celebrate, and he's
woozy and like not getting up and he stays in
for the next play to get sacked. It's just like
and I saw the Boston Herald Karen Grugian note that
he only went to the spot er in the tent
after having a long conversation. No, not with like the

(46:30):
medical professionals. First with Jacoby Presett. I think Jacoby was
a dude in that situation. Was like, someone's got to
go talk to Drake may He doesn't seem right right now.
Rod Mayo said after the game he wanted to re
enter the game. Well, thankfully eventually he did get into
that tent. But I've seen this too often where pretty
obvious concussions seemed to be happening and the plays just

(46:53):
continue on. It's disappointing. Let's actually listen to Rogers. You
mentioned the lack of conference he has in the offensive.
I think he's just playing like he's not confident in himself,
Like he's not confident to hold the ball too long,
because like the Patriots pass rush is terrible and for
the most part they weren't getting pressures, but a couple
of times they did get pressures today, he handled it
very poorly, like he panicked, and he doesn't look like

(47:13):
a confident player.

Speaker 9 (47:14):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
He reacted after the game to Jeff Olbrick, saying, yeah,
this is a dark moment in this season.

Speaker 12 (47:20):
Yeah, I've been in the darkness.

Speaker 2 (47:21):
You got to go in there make peace with it.

Speaker 5 (47:26):
Perfect. No better player to have that question asked.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
It's like almost almost seems like a bit with like
the shadow over his eyes. If you're watching it on YouTube,
it's intentionble it is. It is dark times right now.
Uh in New York, those lights were literally too bright
for Adam two and six on a day where I
thought they had a lot of good things, like the
running backs him so hard. Quinn Williams finally has the

(47:50):
best game of his uh season. Let's go to Cincinnati,
where we were gonna find something about about two teams
who had just been fattening up on some soft opponents.

Speaker 16 (47:59):
Shut up, Hurts looks, he is rolling, he's looking, he's pumping,
he is going deep downfield, and it is caught Davonte Smith.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Touchdown football.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, it's time for the Sunday Drive, presented by the
all new hybrid Toyota Camry. That was Merril Reese wip
DeVonta Smith. Sometimes it's about the players, not just the play.
And look at Jack Stole got a nice block to
help extend that play for Jalen Hurts, who just says

(48:34):
hell Devanta's down there somewhere in an unbelievable catch. Jalen
Hurts throws those pretty deep throws and Davante made a
great catch over the safety for a forty five yard touchdown,
the most exciting play in what I thought was Jalen
Hurts's best game of the entire season. Not just sixteen
to twenty through the air for two hundred and thirty

(48:55):
six yards and that touchdown, but ten for thirty seven
on the ground, three touchdowns, much better in the design
run game that that three point seven yards per carry
has a lot to do with, like four push pushes
in this game, which were mostly effective. You know, you
see the touchdowns, but they also called some important design

(49:16):
runs at key moments where he picked up first downs
or big chunks with his legs, mostly rushing up the
middle straight ahead like he did in the twenty twenty
two season. Saquon Barkley finishes it out with one hundred
and eight yards, but they really passed to take the
lead and then they ran to win, and that's the formula,
even without some of their offensive linemen. Shook I was

(49:40):
really impressed with the way they physically held up in
pass protection. And in the running game, they were just
tougher than the Bengals today.

Speaker 5 (49:48):
Yeah, and they started this trend. I think when they
beat the Giants, I think they found they rediscovered themselves
offensively when they got aj Brown and DeVonta Smith back,
and then they've just kind of been building on that
since then. I think that went over the Giants gave
them a lot of c confidence that they needed to
unlock this offense that was recently described by Lane Johnson
as being constipated. It's not constpated anymore. I don't care
what brand name lax it if you use, but that

(50:08):
thing's flowing now. And just look at the score, the
fact that you put thirty seven points on the board
and three scores in the fourth quarter. I mean, this
is an Eagles offensive explosion that we haven't seen since
I don't know, the first half of last season, if
not that their Super Bowl run the year before. It's
been a long time, and I think it goes a
long way toward your quarterback being comfortable when he puts
up a stat line like this and then they're able

(50:29):
to finish the game on the ground running the football.
I mean that one possession they had to score their
last touchdown to make it thirty four to seventeen, seven
and a half minutes, twelve plays, eighty five yards and
if you look at their possession chart overall, they punted once.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
When was the last time we saw.

Speaker 5 (50:43):
The Eagles be this productive as an offense. It's been
a long time, So I'm feeling really good about the
Eagles outlook after a game like this when they moved
to five and two, and let's not chalk up the
nfcast being Washington so fast that they keep playing football
like this.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Yeah, I it reminded me a lot of twenty twenty
two because I think the defense that year it was
compliment football, where the defense really wasn't that great when
they played top tier opponents. And look, this game started
with a ten minute drive by the Bengals. There are
three drives in the first half. They either had touchdowns
or field goals, or they had a field goal miss,
and then they had a long touchdown drive to start

(51:16):
the second half. So the defense was playing like cheeks
basically through their first four or five possessions, but the
offense was keeping up and eventually gave them the lead
and a chance to settle down and at least make
a couple plays Cooper Desine, Brandon Graham. I think they're
a better team when they're playing, you know, with the lead,
because they're a better pass defense and pass rush versus
like stopping the run.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
And we saw that skill in the secondary, especially both
rookies like Quinnon Mitchell making several plays down the field
with Chase. Jamar Chase had nine catches, but they're able
to keep it to fifty one yards. There was that
touchdown where Nolan Smith is covering Jamar Chase.

Speaker 4 (51:52):
That's that's never gonna work.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
So it took a while to get there. I give
him credit, he had him for.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
The first couple of seconds. In fact, I think it
was Kevin Harlan on the calls like Jamar Chase is covered,
and then Joe Burrow gives Jamar Chase to go that way.
That's an edge rsher and it's it's instantly a touchdown there.
But one of the big plays in the game speaking
to Jamar Chase was the first guy almost never gets
Jamar Chase, but Cooper dejen on a fourth and one

(52:19):
lined up, Jamar Chase was able to get a shot
on his hip and knock him back, which I think
could have been a turning point in this game, considering
that the DeVante Smith touchdown it just happened. There was
no late toush push touchdowns for Jalen Hurts yet that
that was a big play in the game.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
And the rookie stuff.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Though, Yeah, I think Zach Taylor showed something there. He said,
I don't trust my defense. I don't blame him. I
think he was feeling the flow of this game that
they weren't getting stops. It's very out of character for
Zach Taylor to go for a fourth and one on
his own side of the field and people kill that play.

Speaker 4 (52:51):
Coff.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
I think it was just it was a good play
by Cooper. Dezine has played really well the last couple
of weeks. There are some good things he did in
coverage in this game and last week. And the other
big play defensively for the Eagles in this game was
the interception by CD Gardner Johnson that was tipped by
Isaiah Rodgers, who was replacing Darius Slay. So that was

(53:13):
a good one on one throw where Rodgers really made
a perfect play and it ends up getting intercepted. I
know Bengals fans will look at the seventeen points in
the interception and say, you know, they need more out
of the offense, and I get it, but it's like
I mentioned, their first four drives, they had two touchdowns,
a field goal and a missfield goal before that turnover

(53:35):
on downs.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
That's not on the offense.

Speaker 4 (53:37):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
I know they didn't keep up in what needed to
be a shootout, but that's a hard way to win.
It just meant the way the defense was playing today,
they weren't gonna They weren't gonna win against a real team.
I think if you look at the pressures, it really
tells a story. The Bengals had only five pressures the
whole game, zero quick pressures, whereas the Bengals gave up

(53:59):
fourteen pressures five quick pressures for the first almost three
quarters full. I thought Burrow is playing like a perfect game,
like he was literally playing absolutely perfect. And when that's
not good enough, three quarters are perfect before things start
going haywire. It means your defense and the surge that
you had the last couple of weeks was really about
playing some bad opponents and that your defense is a problem.

(54:21):
And at three and five this season right now shook
as a problem.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:24):
I mean that's the story of their season, and especially
the last month or so, is that you've well, actually,
the whole season, you've been asking your offense to carry you,
and the last three games they've scored seventeen, twenty one,
and seventeen points. And if you need your offense to
carry you, that's not enough to win most football games
if your defense isn't good enough. And that's just who
they are right now. I hate to say it because
we know the potential of their offense, but we've seen
enough of this defense now to think three to five

(54:45):
is accurate. That is who this defense is at least,
and that's probably who this team's going to be unless
they can explode for points every week, which is just
not a reliable way to win football games in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (54:54):
This was the worst game of the year. They probably
should be about four and four with all those tough
endings that they have, but they are. They are what
they are, and they were without t Higgins I should
have mentioned, had a late week practice injury and was
not in this game. And they just they're a star
driven team and they need every star on the field,
and they didn't have a good job by the Eagles

(55:16):
third straight victory. That was the Sunday Drive presented by
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And yes, let's go to Seattle where like Bengals Eagles,
I thought like, this is gonna be one of the
games of the day between two good teams and it

(55:36):
wouldn't be one sided.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
And I was wrong.

Speaker 17 (55:38):
Two tight ends set along with Hollins on the left
Pullman on the right.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
It was the snap handoff goes to Cook right up the.

Speaker 17 (55:45):
Cut and into the end zone for his second rushing
touchdown of the game, a seven yard touchdown run for
James Cook and the Bills have turned it into a blowout.

Speaker 1 (56:00):
Brown on WGR wanted that play as the highlight because
it just really showed how they were getting whatever they wanted.
They just were kind of taking the Seahawks defense lunch money.
Thirty one to ten the Bill's win in Seattle, and
you can point towards the self inflicted mistakes. The Seahawks

(56:21):
have their center, you know, snaps one over Gino's head
and then he steps on Geno's foot on the next
time they're on the goal line. But I don't think
it would have mattered. At one point in this game,
the yardage was four hundred and sixteen to one forty one.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
I mean, if finishes four forty five.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
To two thirty three, like the Seahawks couldn't get a
running game going at all, one point three yards per
carry for Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnay goes negative. Meanwhile, you
got James Cook running for one hundred and eleven, you
got Ray Davis going for five yards per carry, Like
this was gonna be a one sided Bill's victory. I
think no matter what happened, Patrick, I know it would

(57:01):
have been closer obviously, like if you get a com
point fourteen points is what I mean at point. What
I mean is that when Seattle had the ball, okay,
there was some back and forth, right when Buffalo had
the ball, there was no back and forth.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
It was just fourth.

Speaker 4 (57:17):
Yeah, it was no opposition.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
So based on that, if that's the case for sixty
minutes it never stopped, then eventually that team will win,
and maybe it would have been more entertaining and it
would have been thirty one to twenty one or something
like that.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
But you're probably gonna lose.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
Yeah, you were, and there was Josh job did get
the first interception thrown by Josh Allen. Of other than
that that that might have been the highlight for the
Seattle Seahawks on the day, who really couldn't do anything.
There was no dk Metcalf in this game to kind
of threaten that Bill's secondary And it was something that
I thought coming into the game where the Seahawks defense

(57:53):
really got healthy shook going up against a quarterback that
couldn't move and Kirk Cousins and this is this is
not Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
This is matter as far as a.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Golf athletically from post Achilles Kirk Cousins to Josh Allen
in twenty twenty four as you.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
Could possibly go. And the results were pretty obvious today.

Speaker 5 (58:11):
Yeah, I mean Greg has made the point many times
on this show, which is that Josh Allen is the
most valuable runner in the NFL. And he was an
a valuable runner, you know, in most situations, or as
a scrambler, as a guy who extends plays as a
quarterback and finds guys open and throws a ball a
yard away from the sideline. They didn't need any of
that because they won the battle up front. That's the
only way to explain how you outgain a team four
forty five to two thirty three and you win the

(58:32):
time possession battle by sixteen minutes. Okay, you dominated them.
They stuffed them in a locker. You want to talk
about taking lunch money, They stuffed them in a locker
in their place. Sure it was thirty one to ten
by the look of it, though it could have been
even more. Sure the turnovers played a part in it.
But the Bills just went on the road. They flew
all the way across the country, and they made a
statement with a win, which just speaks to how unpredictable
this league is. Because the Seahawks just came off of

(58:54):
a resounding victory on the road in Atlanta. They come
back home, they're all geared up and ready to play
the Bills, and they come away just getting you know,
kind of dominated at home and really tough for them.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Right, The Seahawks defense has had so many terrible games
this year, and you know they're coming off a game
where they got healthy, literally like just their better players
are on the field and they perform well in Atlanta,
but this is a big step back. There's gonna be
a lot of questions. They did not have a quarterback
hit today, and then they had the rare stat line

(59:25):
where they got a team sack, which I'm trying to
remember that play, but Josh Allen must have just run
out of bounds at some point and they're not. They
decided not to give anyone credit for that sack, and
so that that's just a day where look, Gino Smith
was facing pressure usually up the middle, like Connor Williams
had a bad day, but nothing really was was working

(59:47):
for this Seattle defense. They have the Rams next week.
They're four and four the Seahawks. Okay, the Cardinals are
four and four. The Rams are at three and four.
This division is just getting started. It's a little bit
of a mess, and I would just would be, you know, hesitating,
because I follow a lot of Seahawks fans of like,
you know, just let.

Speaker 2 (01:00:07):
It play out a little bit.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
The season is not over that this It is ugly,
but one of these teams in the NFC West. I
believe we'll figure things out at some point as we
get closer to Thanksgiving in December, Seattle has a good
basis to start with with their passing game, but everything
else kind of needs work. The running game is just
County on Ken Walker to make people miss, and the defense.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
You know, we've been over their issues.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
And again they the big mistakes were so big that
it's it's tough to get a full evaluation of a
lot of things, especially offensively. I know the metcalf being
missing is kind of glaring, but they're like Kenneth Walker
will turn a negative run into a positive. Will also
sometimes go on little adventures as he did today on

(01:00:49):
the on the bad snap where he's picking it up,
I'm wondering if he's going to try to throw the
ball away instead. You know, it's a it's a massive loss.
They go from first and goal to second and goal
from the twenty six. It was just it was a
very bad game from the Seahawks. But as you mentioned,
they're not out of it in the division. Like if
you are looking at who has what to be upset

(01:01:09):
about and who has what to feel good about, you
can make a case that Seattle could have more to
feel good good about them than almost anyone other than
the Rams.

Speaker 4 (01:01:16):
Getting everybody back and getting that win on Thursday, and think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
The Rams are feeling excited, the Bills are feeling good
about it because the rest of the NFC East, I mean,
the AFC East is absolutely collapsing. They're six and two. Eric,
my Super Bowl pick is looking good. You got your
Dodgers rolling, you got your Bills rolling. Shakier goes nine
for one oh seven. Tom Brady was loving him, Khalil Shakir.
He was saying it reminded him of like a young

(01:01:40):
Danny am Mondola or Julian Edelvis. I'll say he's closer,
coming closer to Edelman than Amon Doola. What do you
think he's sprit when he catches the ball, his feet
or moving. No touchdowns today, but I felt like every
other play was going to him, and he he has
the ball, he's he's not looking to go down. It's
great they I love that they were very targeted because
the middle of the field of the Seahawks defense is
absolutely the weakness. They just traded for Ernest Jones, but

(01:02:01):
that's where they were targeting. Ken Coleman goes five for seventy.
Amari Cooper only has one catch for three yards on
two targets, who knows, but the other wide receivers are
eating more now that Amari Cooper is in the building.
The running game has been pretty good all year. And yeah,
the defense also just it's complete, it's healthier than it's been.

(01:02:22):
The Bills are absolutely a Super Bowl contender. Let's take
another break, and yeah, we'll start after the break with
the favorite still for the Super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
I guess they're just always the.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
Fat always shout out the Khalil secure for breaking the barrier.

Speaker 14 (01:02:42):
FIO three left in the game, Raiders are out of timeouts,
second in goal to go.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
For the Chiefs with them nine sprint left action wide.

Speaker 18 (01:02:49):
Open, left side top Worthy left front, Thilan.

Speaker 4 (01:02:52):
Touchdown chains city Exavi.

Speaker 17 (01:02:56):
You are Worthy back into the end zone for the
third time on a reception, fifth time in his rookie year, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
The Chiefs up blowing it open but two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
That was Zavia Worthy nine yards score WDAF Mitch Holtis
on the call, Stop me if you've heard this one before.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Some of the game is a little ugly for the
Chiefs offense.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
They wind up with a big play late they win
by one score.

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
We move on, Nick Suck. What was different about this
Chief's victory? Over the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (01:03:30):
Patrick Mahomes threw a couple of touchdown passes. That's the
first thing that was different. So all of you who
want to get on my Twitter mentions after the next
qv Index drops and says, how is Mahomes in the
top two? He's had a terrible year. Watch this game
much like every other game, because the guy just creates.
When things are breaking down, he extends plays, he keeps
drives moving and that's what he did again today. Couple

(01:03:51):
that with a strong defense and this is the performance
you get. And this happened after Mahomes had his hand
hit on a throw out of the end zone and
it was picked off and had the ball inside Kansas
City's ten and they got nothing out of it. Because
of that, Chiefs defense stood them up on the goal
line on four downs and got the ball right back
in Patrick Mahomes's hands and they end up coming away
with a victory. That's twenty seven to twenty in the final.
But the Raiders did score a touchdown in the last

(01:04:13):
two minutes before they couldn't get the ball back, so
you could kind of talk about it as twenty seven
to thirteen. Chiefs turned defeated it's not pretty, but they're
a damn good football team.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
A good football team that saw a solid Gardner Minshew
game twenty four to thirty two touchdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
The raid that's tired for Patrick to say, I mean
that's through gritted teeth.

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
No, I say it with a smile in my heart
for Gardner Minshew because apparently Jacobe Myers was the missing
piece to this offense. Because Jacoby Myers comes back, he
has seven targets, six catches, fifty two yards and a touchdown.
They got Trey Tucker involved as well. Alexander Madison did
nothing in the ground game. They got that opportunity and

(01:04:53):
Madison gets stopped and the Raiders elect to go for
it on fourth down.

Speaker 4 (01:04:58):
Could have cut it to a one point.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
I think that's the at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
You got to get touchdowns, right, Yeah, you don't have
the players are necessarily play cause but what are you
gonna do?

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
You gotta try to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:08):
Are you gonna ram are you gonna ram Madison up
into the goal line? Like three times?

Speaker 4 (01:05:11):
You take it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
Do you take a field goal?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
You're saying yeah, or you could take a field goal
or but ultimately the rollout for Gardner Minshew, the Chiefs
were all over that Drew Drew Trenkle with submarining plays
for most of the game until he left the game
in the late in the fourth quarter, uh with an injury.
But it's there were so many opportunities, and you just
you think that the Raiders team could have pulled this off,

(01:05:35):
just like they not necessarily the way that they did
December of last year, which was a defensive festival and
Jack Jones is picking off Patrick Mahomes and Amo Connell's
doing absolutely nothing. This was a completely different game. They
were still in it, They had an on side kick
opportunity that almost bounced their way, could have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:51):
You know, could have been a hil Mary situation for
Gardner Minshew coming. But again it's all hypothetical.

Speaker 1 (01:05:55):
Wow, I don't think it would have been quite as like, no,
you know beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
The arc of the ball would not have been as majestic,
and probably the celebration wouldn't have been as raucous with
maybe a fifty to fifty crowd right in Las Vegas today.
But the Chiefs, you know, you said it, shok, They're
inevitable and the best Kelsey game that he's had all season,
ninety yards receiving in a touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:06:17):
Yeah, ten for ninety for Kelsey. That's awesome in a
touch and was moving. Well, it's crazy that the Raiders
had thirty three yards rushing and seven of those is
like on a Trey Tucker and around. It just gets
me to the point of, like, the Chiefs have so
many good players. They're just so deep for such a
team with like guys getting paid huge bucks. Ten different

(01:06:39):
players had a quarterback pressure in this game on the
Chiefs defense, So they're just so deep defensively, And yeah, offensively,
it's not as talented, but the offensive line is deep
and you have enough guys including now DeAndre Hopkins that
can catch passes from Mahomes. What was the offensive report
from you shook throughout this game?

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
Well, yeah, offensively, not as talented, but schemed by one
of the masters of offense and Andy Reid. And that's
the most important part with this team because it's being
operated by an elite quarterback. Now, the rest of the
pieces around him, Sure, if they were great, they would
be elevating the offense that he putting up a ton
of points like they did four or five years ago,
but it really doesn't matter all that matters is that
they continue to move the chains. I mean, Kareem Hunt
goes for two point eight yards per carry, and he

(01:07:19):
kind of visually looked like he made a nice impact
because he's running hard and he scored a touchdown. But
it all starts with Mahomes and as long as they
have him and they protect him well enough to at
least allow him to buy time and get out of
the pocket. I mean, there were so many times where
I would go from one game to the next and
it'd be third down and Mahomes would just bounce out
of the pocket. He'd be scrambling and he'd find somebody
six yards away for a first down. Just over and
over and over again. Their paper cutting teams to death.

(01:07:41):
And it's got to be miserable if you're a fan
of the opposing defense to watch this every day. But
it's really a work of art when you watch it
from mahomes perspective, because we know what he could be
when he's putting up these gaudy numbers. Now he's not
doing that, and they're still winning football games. And a
lot of it, almost all of it has to do
at least offensively with him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
A lot of teams that feel like you can stick
a fork in him this year. I mean the Raiders
are certainly one of them. At two and six. There
are six teams in the AFC that have six losses.
The Titans are one and six, the rest are two
and six. A lot of teams just like without a
lot of hope. Before Halloween, We're gonna talk about another

(01:08:18):
one of them that traveled across the country to play
across the sidewalk in Sofi Stadium.

Speaker 4 (01:08:25):
Second and ten.

Speaker 10 (01:08:26):
Here Herbert to throw and lobs at downfield for mccakee.
Car mccackey right sideline defender falls to the twenty turn
on the Jets, Lad to the fifteen to the ten
upfield into the episode bad Lad touchdown Solgers fifteen is

(01:08:47):
a magic number.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Lad mcconkee makes it fifteen to five.

Speaker 1 (01:08:51):
I love that. Lad mcconkee's got his own touchdown. Call
Matt money Smith our friend, I'm k y s are
Wekaki added another touchdown later in the game. He ends
up six for one to eleven and two scores.

Speaker 4 (01:09:07):
Hopefully receiver one this week.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Hope you picked him up in your fantasy league.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
I saw him out there on some waiver wires twenty
six to eight. The Chargers get it done in the
most twenty twenty four Jim Harbaugh Charger way possible. He's
kind of grinding their opponent to a pulp. And yeah,
the Saint's fault of two and six in the most
twenty twenty four Saints way possible.

Speaker 2 (01:09:31):
Not a lot of hope, not a lot of highlights.
One of the worst.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Teams in the NFL, but let's give some flowers. Nick
Shook to what I really respect out of the Chargers
this year is that they're just like a professional outfit
that wins games they should. Which when's the last time
you could say that about a Chargers outfit?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
You're thinking about their losses. I'm not.

Speaker 5 (01:09:52):
I I was thinking about last week.

Speaker 16 (01:09:54):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
But to me, that's like two evenish teams when they've
been in a situation where it's just like you should
take care of business against a bad offense. It's like
they just take care of business and swat the other
one away. There's gotta be a coin flip games. They're
not like a super Bowl champion team.

Speaker 5 (01:10:07):
Sorry, no, I know, I know. I just was like,
we just talked about that last week.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
No.

Speaker 5 (01:10:12):
Look, there's a reason that the verb chargering exists and
this is not that team. So hats off to you
Chargers fans. Congrats. You have a professional outfit. As Greg
just described, what you have is a quarterback who's got
a swagger back in Justin Herbert. He threw a touchdown
pass to Lad mccackey in the fourth quarter of this game,
and then he started doing a little head nod and
I was like, I haven't seen that demonstrative version of

(01:10:33):
Herbert in probably two to three years. Like he's feeling himself.
And a big reason why is because he knows he's
got at least one guy he can trust, and it's
the rookie with the last name mccaukey, who, like we said,
six for one eleven and two touchdowns. How about this, He,
according to Next Gen Stats, caught all three of his
targets out of the slot for eighty four yards and
two touchdowns. And they can move him around, he can
make a difference. He's a reliable guy, which is what

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they've been missing, especially since Keenan Allen and Mike Williams
left in the offseason. So another strong from Herbert. He
got busy on the ground. They got a little bit
from JK. Dobbins. It was just enough, and they played
good defense. Physical defense. That's the most important part. Physical
defense against a Saints team that can't protect their quarterback.
And they also didn't have a quarterback who's really equipped
to handle the speed or the responsibilities of being a

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starting NFL quarterback. Right now, They're in a bad spot offensively,
no matter whether it's Jake Hayner who replaced Spencer Ratler
just pulled you know, Rattler for Haner. He didn't do
much better statistically, they were almost even. They both get
the ball out and sometimes they don't know where it's going,
and that's how you end up with eight points as
an offense, as the Saints did today.

Speaker 4 (01:11:33):
Yeah, some high throws as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
Kind of wasted a solid effort because Alvin Kamara made
some plays today that were in a close game that
could have ultimately been the difference, but the Saints couldn't
get a lot of production on the offense.

Speaker 4 (01:11:45):
Good to have Crystal Lovely back. They almost lost him again.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
He had to go in to be evaluated for a
concussion on a similar looking play to the one that
he got hurt where he kind of gets sent on
a mission and blasted.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Rattler has thrown some I like Rattler, but he's thrown
hospital balls at a higher clip than any quarterback I've
ever seen.

Speaker 3 (01:12:01):
And so like, thankfully chrys Olave is able to come
back into the game. I don't know who has high
hopes for MVS coming in and replacing what sh Rashid
Shaida had to offer, but I guess I got news
for them if they missed the last five or six
years of professional football. But my big takeaway because there

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was a play in this game where Justin Herbert had
to throw late. Shepherd for the Saints is twisting his
leg low, oh yeah, and Bradley Boseman immediately like this
isn't like a post twist reaction like immediately pounces on Shepherd.

Speaker 4 (01:12:39):
Flags are thrown.

Speaker 3 (01:12:41):
But it showed to me like this, it kind of
symbolized what a healthy Herbo means to this team and
especially to this offensive line, because they're nothing without him
and for him to and he goes off and has
a huge run immediately after that. I mean, Justin Herbert
averge twelve yards a carry in this game. He's doing
everything and really didn't even need to do it against

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the listless Saints offense that really had nothing to offer today.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I think he's been one of the best quarterbacks in
the league since the bye, So that's only three weeks,
but if the QB Index started in Week six whatever
it was after their by we're just talking last three
weeks of the season, he's top five, top seven, like
whatever it is. He's playing at a very very high level.
You know, his teammates didn't help him out last week,
but you see the athleticism, you see the arm, and

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you start to believe in this lousy AFC that they
got a shot, certainly to sneak into the playoffs.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:35):
I mean at four and three, they're in a situation
where they could definitely if they continue to pile these
wins up. The thing is is like the eye test,
you're gonna think, uh, they don't look like an impressive team,
but they're a physical team with a good quarterback who's
got a lot of arm talent and is able to
when he's healthy, really handle the job very well. And
I think that goes a long way, because if you
can win at the point of attack and if you
can get your ground game going, here and there. As
long as you have that quarterback, you're gonna be in

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most games. It's this is not a litmus test against
these Sames. They're definitely not a measuring stick. But if
you can those are your staples. Those are a calling cards.
Is physical defense, really good quarterback receivers that are starting
to come into their own. Jalen Reager made a nice
catch down the sideline. You don't expect a lot from him,
but he made a nice play and I was like,
all right, you didn't fumble at this time. That's a
good step forward. Then you're gonna be in the mix.
So there are at least a team that I can

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respect and watch every week and not think like, oh,
they're going to blow it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
You have six respect, Yes, Josh Balmer with a forty
five yard or a twenty seven yard They are playing
kind of that old school in Theory Harbaugh type of
football where it's the running game needs to be better
for really to make sense, but that the passing game
does have shot plays and that's I think you need
that to take advantage of who Herbert is. It's a
low moment for the Saints in a season full of

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them Marshall Lattimore leaves with an injury. You wonder if
that's his last snap as a Saint. Would not be
surprised if he's traded before the deadline. Depends how serious
I suppose that the injury is. Kamara goes for one
hundred and twenty two yards from scrimmage, but you know
there's not much pressure there. Joey Bosa came back for
this game. Joe Alt the right tackle for the Chargers,

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had more pass sets without giving up a pressure than
any rookie I think ever, or in any game according
to Next Gen stat So he had a really strong game.
But that also speaks to the lack of a pass
rush that the Saints have. They don't really do anything.

Speaker 14 (01:15:16):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:15:16):
They'll get Derek Carr back next week. I heard Mickey
Loomis on Saints Radio this week talk about the rest
of the season and say, like, yeah, we're not giving it,
Like we look at our schedule and we don't see
a team on there that we can't beat. I guess fair,
but there's also not a team on that schedule that
you can't lose to.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Let's go to the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Let's talk about some Broncos let's talk about some Panthers.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
Man. This NFC South is.

Speaker 7 (01:15:44):
Tough bele outside of Mems in a slot left double
tight end set with Atkins and Troutman in a wing
right shotgunsnap, Nicks looks left floats.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
One of the anzoni was Troutman Trubbin one hand and
touch touchdown Denver nineteen yard strike bow Knicks.

Speaker 7 (01:16:06):
To Adam Trutman who snagged him with one hands.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
Dave Logan on k o a Broncos beating him down
covering that big spread twenty eight to fourteen. Bryce Young
comes back in, gives him a little spark at first,
it doesn't flast. Bo Nicks throws for three touchdowns two
hundred and eighty four yards through the air, and the

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Broncos go to five and three.

Speaker 2 (01:16:35):
Are you believing Patrick.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
I'm believing that they have a good defense, they that
pass defense that I'm glad that they have Patrick's with tanback,
they picked off Bryce Young twice.

Speaker 4 (01:16:45):
Bryce Young, those two touchdown passes.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
Which is more that Andy Dalton had in the previous
three games, are combined, but.

Speaker 2 (01:16:53):
It's one was with eighteen seconds left.

Speaker 4 (01:16:55):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 3 (01:16:56):
Garbage still counts, especially especially fantasy.

Speaker 4 (01:16:59):
Was I don't know who's starting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Bryce shot to you or Jalenkolker. Is that his name?
It's Jay Cocher.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
I think it's well, there was because there was no
Adam Thielen. Of course, Xavier Laguet, who scores a touchdown
in this game, leaves as well. That was the state
of the Panthers receiving corps because you know there was
no Deontae Johnson coming into this game as well. But
over on the other side, it was twenty eight to fourteen.

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You mentioned the spread being covered. It could have been
worse because Sean Payton when it was twenty eight to seven,
had a fake field goal attempt. Courtland Sutton on fourth
and one threw a wide receiver pass when it was
twenty eight to fourteen late in this game, Sean Payton apparently.
I was trying to mind Twitter for resources, like, what
did the Panthers do to Sean Payton?

Speaker 4 (01:17:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:45):
I guess they didn't interview him, which is interesting because
there was a plan for him to go to Miami anyway.

Speaker 4 (01:17:50):
I just everything is very confusing.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
That might be that's a guess. I'm not I don't know.
I just want to say, as Vicey though, as the
host of NFL Daily, we are not fully attributing the
reason for going for that trick play to the Panthers,
not giving Sean Payton an interview. It's a good theory,
It's an interesting theory. But I do feel like there
has to be something going on there. But I don't

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know what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:15):
It could have been Dave Canalis with a funny look
at the coaching something. I have no idea, But Sean
Payton was doing everything he could to pour it on
for some reason.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
Against He just wanted me to feel alive on a
Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 9 (01:18:26):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
He just wants to have some fun. Life is short.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
It's fine, go for trick play, is up, big scores,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
I think it's great.

Speaker 5 (01:18:33):
I feel like I feel like he's been coaching this
whole season just to like prove a point, and like
week by week, as they start to stack wins with
this good defense, he like gets more invigorated and he's
got more gusto to him and he's just like, yeah,
you know what, this week, I'm trying a fake field
goal because why not. We're up by three touchdowns. No
better time than now to test it. Out in a
game against the team we know we're already gonna beat.
Let's do it now. But yeah, you're right, Patrick, Like

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I don't. I can't get a solid read on bo
Nicks because Bonix himself doesn't have like a consistent performance
over four quarters. But this game pretty solid. They also
jumped out to a twenty eight to seven lead, so
you didn't really need to see him tested over four quarters.
But I mean, anytime that you throw for you know,
two or eighty four yards and three touchdowns and you
beat you know, the lowly Panthers, what's a good day.

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And they're five and three, and because of that defense,
we have to take them seriously and we'll see how
they go offensively well.

Speaker 1 (01:19:22):
The first two drives though, end with a fumble by
little Jordan Humphrey and then a punt and so you're
you're down seven to nothing. That's a little bit of
adversity going into the second quarter. And then to get
touchdowns on three straight drives, it's I think it's a
good step. I think bo Nicks has shown progress. Now
he was starting at the very bottom, but he's shown progress,

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and we'll see, like it's still at a level where
if they're playing a quality defense, major questions, but there's
only so many of those, Like on the schedule. The
Broncos have one of the few defenses in the entire
NFL that you're like, that's a difference making week to
week defense. There's a lot of bad defenses out there,
not any as bad as the Panthers necessarily, but if
Bonnicks can just be solid against like bad defenses, they

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could win a decent amount of games.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
Yeah, in eight to thirty seven to eighty four three touchdowns.
My concern would be Javante only having forty four yards
on seventeen carries against this particular Panthers defense. Yeah, so
maybe a sign of concern for the run game where
that's that may be the frustration not getting things done
there maybe results in Sean Payton taking shots late to

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try to make the scoreboard look like he feels it
should look considering the mismatch of the teams on the field.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
Shout out to Courtland Sutton didn't get a target last week,
He almost knew he was gonna go for a big
game this week. Eleven targets, one hundred yards, eight catches,
and shout out to Adam troutman, a man who when
they brought him to Denver, I said, man, Sean Payton
just will take any old old like x Saint, like
they traded for him. Saints fans are like really, and
here he is with like a big game, a great
catch eighty five yards and a touchdown. All right, we're

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gonna say goodbye to our good friend Patrick. I've enjoyed
doing this program with you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:04):
I've enjoyed it as well. I wish my football team
would have won.

Speaker 1 (01:21:08):
They did not, but I still think they're in charge
of that AFC North. We'll see Steelers on Monday night.
So I'm gonna throw to the Arizona Cardinals and the
Miami Dolphins. Cam Wolf is gonna join us see in
here Cam from Miami, and then we're gonna hear from
Kevin Patra on the other side of the break, and

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Shookie can rejoin me for the Sunday night football recap.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I'll see you then, Nikki.

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Now, gool chairs baby, that's right now, to Arizona and
the Dolphins in South Beach.

Speaker 7 (01:21:39):
One second left, Cardinals down to thirty four yard try,
snap ball down, The kick from Ryland is up and
the kick is.

Speaker 13 (01:21:49):
Good.

Speaker 2 (01:21:50):
And the Cardinals win it. The officials took a.

Speaker 7 (01:21:53):
Long time to signal the kick is good from Ryland,
and Arizona wins it at the buzzer again twenty eight,
twenty seven in Miami.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
That was Chad Ryland thirty four yard field goal Dave
pash on Cam VP. Cardinals get the upset win in
Miami twenty eight to twenty seven. Chad Ryland ghost for
being one of the worst drafted kickers in memory in
New England last year helped end Bill Belichick's career to

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a guy who's kicking clutch kicks week after week, including
I think a fifty seven yarder in this win. And
I am so excited for the first time here on
NFL Daily to be welcoming in a man who was
at this game in the locker rooms, on the field,
Cam Wolf, you watched it up close.

Speaker 2 (01:22:42):
Not the game we expected, was it?

Speaker 18 (01:22:44):
No? Not at all.

Speaker 13 (01:22:46):
The Cardinals had plans to ruin the feel good movie story,
which it kind of felt like it was saiding up
for you know two was returning after this concussion that
everyone or a lot of people think he should retire from.
And you know all his team Sames thinks it's going
to galvanize them and save the team after a two
and four start, and you forget the quarterback wasn't the

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only problem.

Speaker 18 (01:23:07):
And you know.

Speaker 13 (01:23:09):
Arizona came to play. Kyler had an amazing game. Marv
Harrison and him finally got connected. I know that was
a question mark for a lot of people, and Trey
McBride had an amazing day. But really, to me, the
story is the Dolphins and just more disappointment. Yeah, this
that had huge expectations and now at two and five
we're wondering has it already crumbled?

Speaker 2 (01:23:30):
Yeah? Two and five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
You know it's not a death sentence, but it's a
huge setback. And Cardinals fans will give you some love.
You're at four and four. You're in the mix. This
NFC West race is going to take to the end. Look, hell,
you're in first place right now. So Cardinals will get
to you in a second. But the too a story.
What was the story coming into the week? You followed this,
you know really closely. He comes out, He has twenty

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eight for thirty eight, two hundred and thirty four yards
in a touchdown. Mike McDaniel said after the game it
looked more like the Dolphins offense, and that's true, and
seventy seven yards overall, they go eleven for fifteen on
third down. What was their locker room and just this
this week like for you because it was a defiant
to at the podium and then after the game kind

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of what did you pick up in the locker room
and everything after everything that happened in this game.

Speaker 13 (01:24:19):
So I'll say this, I was a little worried about
something like this happening. And you know, you talk to
a guy like Tyreek Hill during the week, and of
course he's predictably excited about his quarterback coming in. But
the message that Mike we Daniel tried to give the
team is like two is not our savior, and it
seemed like that was a hollow message, like talking to
guys around the team, talked to one guy in the

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locker room and he was kind of like, maybe we
got too relaxed. Maybe we assume that, you know, Tua
would save everything. And watched him on Sunday, it very
much looked like, particularly on the defensive side of the ball,
a group that like took a deep breath, like okay,
we're good now. You know, we were been holding the
offense ve for three weeks when these other guys are

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been in here, but now two is here and it's
all good. And they got exposed by a Cardinals team
that was hungry and ready to fight. And honestly, a
lot of the questions around the Dolphins has been their grit.
What type of physicality and grit and ability to win
tough games comes out to In that second half, there's
a lot of grit moments they lost, and I think.

Speaker 18 (01:25:22):
That's probably, to me the story of this team.

Speaker 13 (01:25:25):
A lot of talent, not as much grit, And you
sort of look at this team and like you said,
two and five, it's not a death sentence.

Speaker 18 (01:25:33):
But they're going to Buffalo next week. Buffalo is up three.

Speaker 13 (01:25:35):
And a half games in the division on them already.
They could put four and a half on them with
both tie breakers. With the win in Buffalo next week,
I'm sure they'll be very heavy favorites. And so the
Dolphins are at a precarious spot. And it's weird because
Tua played well, The Dolphins played a lot better and
they still lost, And so that kind of leads you
with the what's next for a team that's really been

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all in for the last two years.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Okay, so second half they give up three straight scoring
drives to end the game, touchdown, touchdown, field goal. Talk
me through a little bit what you saw from the
defense struggling, and yeah, that's part of the concern that
I had coming in, Like they didn't look great when
Tua was out there before he got hurt. The run
blocking has maybe been up and down, like it was

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good the last couple of weeks, but they had a
big play from h Hn today.

Speaker 2 (01:26:22):
But that's about it. Tell me what you saw kind
of in the fourth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:25):
Quarter as they were giving up what was a twenty
to ten lead and then a twenty seven to eighteen
lead in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 13 (01:26:32):
Yeah, they really struggled to get Kyler Murray contained. Like
he was very much the playmaker that a lot of
us know him to be at his peak, where he
gets stands plays, he runs around like you know, whatever
adje of a person you can describe him as, and
he makes plays like he threw a great touchdown to
Marvin Harrison over Jaylen Ramsey that just came from him
extending a play and getting.

Speaker 18 (01:26:51):
It across his body.

Speaker 13 (01:26:52):
I talked to Emmanuel Aguba, one of their pass rusher
after the game, and he was like, that's one of
the better quarterback games I can remember seeing, and we
just really didn't take him down, like he was like,
that was really it. Like we got him in our grasp,
he kept breaking contain and it like broke everything within
our defense. And so this is a team that like
they've struggled to get pass rush, and I think that's
really a core of what I've seen. I watched the

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game and there was a lot of times they tried
blitzes and it seemed like everyone failed and they got
big plays out of it. So there's not really an
immediate answer of like how do you create a conflict
and pressure on the quarterback? And I know, Anthony, we
were trying different stuff, but you know, you lose a
Jalen Phillips to a serious injury, Bradley Chubb's still not
back from his torn acl and your your first round pick.

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Chop Robinson's just a little raw. He's he's pretty much
a speed only pass rusher right now. They just don't
have that juice and teams are exploiting that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:46):
I mean, let's let's be real, Campbell.

Speaker 1 (01:27:48):
If Kyler is represented here, I know like compared to us,
he's not a real short king, but as NFL players go,
he's a short king and he's representing well.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
I mean when.

Speaker 1 (01:27:57):
Kalais Campbell like volleyball, spiked one of his pass early
in this game, I thought, oh man, it's gonna be
a long day for my guy.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
But he's running.

Speaker 1 (01:28:04):
Around here in three hundred and seven yards and two touchdowns.
And sometimes you see him on film not take open
throws or not see him like he's trying to make.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
The big plays.

Speaker 1 (01:28:14):
But the flip side is games like this where he's
doing it and he's just magical. He's a different sort
of player that than Tua. You mentioned the defense. Yeah,
they only had one quarterback hit in this game, which
is just brutal for an entire defense. And that wasn't
even from the defensive line. That was from Jordan Hicks,
So that that's where the loss has to go. Tell me,
I guess a little bit about where you think this

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organization is because in the fans too, because those fans
will turn on this Dolphins team when they're bad. They'll
get either disinterested or mad. And I heard there was
some fire Greer chance after the game, and like outside
and fire McDaniel and everything kind of tell me where
that's at and kind of what it's like in the
city right now.

Speaker 18 (01:28:55):
Yeah, it's it's not great.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Greg. I'll tell you that this is a.

Speaker 13 (01:28:59):
Team that's really sold his self as like this is
our year, We're all in, and you ask where do
you go next?

Speaker 18 (01:29:06):
That's almost the more frustrating part. They've paid everyone.

Speaker 13 (01:29:09):
They paid Mike McDaniel, they paid to a tongue of Bailoa,
Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Jaalen Ramsey, like everyone who you know,
you're everyone who's the core of your team. Maybe you
could argue the GM hasn't got an extension, but the
core of your team is together, and you've paid them
long term extensions and they're in the midst of their
worst season in probably six or seven years, with the

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most talent they've had in six or seven years.

Speaker 18 (01:29:33):
And so I think that there's no immediate answer.

Speaker 13 (01:29:35):
I think they've got to look within and and really
I think a lot of.

Speaker 18 (01:29:39):
This comes to like what is the culture of this team?

Speaker 13 (01:29:42):
And I remember being on the road a lot last
year and talking to defensive coaches and coordinators and they
were like, this is a video game team.

Speaker 18 (01:29:49):
But if we feel like.

Speaker 13 (01:29:50):
We punch them in the mouth, we get them in
our type situations, they'll fold. And the Dolphins were really
upset by that narrative. Mike McDaniel fought it all year
that they can't beat winning teams, they can't win in
the cold, and this year I think it's more evident
than ever that I don't know if they have the
toughness to be able to withstand the playoff race, and

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teams like this show it even the games without Tua.
If you're a team that you know one quarterback can
take down the whole ship, I think it says a
lot about.

Speaker 18 (01:30:24):
Who you are as a team. And you know, I'll
just say this.

Speaker 13 (01:30:27):
Look, they made a decision to go away from Brian
Flores a few years ago and Google tours Mike McDaniel.
A lot of times teams do opposite coaching styles, right,
and Mike McDaniel did a lot of great things for Tua,
building this confidence up, bringing this offense to a level
it never was. But I do wonder if some of
the discipline, some of the physicality, some of the toughness

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was missing from this team that maybe was in previous teams.
They're one of the worst teams in the league in
penalties the second straight year there towards the bottom of
the league, and penalties operation has been an issue like that.
That's a discipline thing, and you know you can't help,
but know, you know, you got a fun loving group,
got a fun loving coach. That kind of becomes your team.

(01:31:09):
You just want to have fun. And fun is great
until you start getting on a losing streak and you
start losing games you shouldn't lose, and then you know
it's not that much fun anymore. I start thinking, remember
the Titans. You know fun, it is football.

Speaker 2 (01:31:22):
Fun. Today was not fun. I mean, they have a
twenty to ten lead.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
It's halfway through the second quarter or the third quarter rather,
and you know, it's a bad snap that maybe Tis
said he could have maybe had at but it was
a bad snap. It ends up being a safety. It's
twenty to twelve. From that point forward. Here's what the
defense did. They give up a seventy five yard nine
play touchdown drive, a seventy yard eight play touchdown drive

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to the Cardinals. And then here here's the kicker, and
the Dolphins offense hardly collapsed. I know they punted once
in there, but they also scored a touchdown in there.
They only had seven drives in this game on offense.
That is a light day of offense. Eight drives rather
and they score twenty seven points. But to finish the game,
and this is where I want to give Cardinals their flowers,
their fans, their flowers. Drew Petsing has taken some slings

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and arrows this year. They're offensive coach, they're not that
talented on defense. They get the ball back with five
minutes left in the in the game, they go thirteen
plays eighty three yards. That includes a penalty in there,
so seventy three total before that game winning field goal.
That is tough, smash mouth type football, James Connor, but
it was more of the passing game McBride, Harrison, Wilson, Connor,

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Murray putting it on the Dolphins and kind of to
your point, showing who's the tougher team. And that is
a galvanizing win for a Cardinals team that's just looking
to be relevant. I couldn't believe this stat camp is
the first time they've won back to back game since
twenty twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
That's wild. So they're a team. Now they're a real team.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
They're in this race, and props and give them their flowers.

Speaker 13 (01:32:57):
So that's a great stat because I actually talked to
Marv Harrison year after the game of one on one
for NFL Network and I asked him about the meaning
of this, and that's the first thing you mentioned. He
was like, this is the first back to back win
that most of the guys.

Speaker 18 (01:33:09):
In the locker room have ever seen.

Speaker 13 (01:33:11):
He was like, I know, it's my first year, but
he's like most of the guys we talked about in
the locker room, this is one of the first back
to back wins they can remember seeing. And he's like,
this is how you build a culture. And I thought
that was very interesting because I didn't know the twenty
twenty one stat. I just knew he said, and I'm like, oh,
maybe all these guys have been here for one year,
but that's three years since you've won back to back games.

(01:33:32):
They started to have a little spurt at the end
of last year. I remember that big win against Philly.
I think they had one against Pittsburgh as well. But
you just kind of see sprinkles and now you see
more consistency in spurts. Winning against you know, the Chargers
last week, winning against Miami this week, and I thought
that final drive told a lot about the team, Like
Miami is the team that has the most talent, They

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have a lot to play for their the expectations team,
and every single play the Arnolds set seemed like they
just had a little extra you know, Kyler made somebody miss.
You know, Marv Harrison, who had I keep repeating because
he had a great game, kept making plays in the
open field. Trey McBride had an amazing game as well,
and they kept putting themselves in situations where the Dolphins

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could have made a stop and they didn't. And you know,
I just I just think that, you know, it won't
be this year. I don't know if they're a playoff
team this year, but I just think that, you know,
this team is headed in the right direction with Kyler
at the Mitts. I know there's often been the question of, hey,
should they get a new quarterback. I saw everything I
need to know in Kyler. He's not the issue.

Speaker 18 (01:34:34):
How to get the rest of the talent of their
roster ready.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Cam Wolfe NFL Network.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Big time win for the Cardinals, big time win for
us to get Cam on the show. We'll do it
again down the road. Appreciate you, Cam, Appreciate you great.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
All right, we are.

Speaker 1 (01:34:48):
Going to take a quick break and we'll be back
with the rest of the games.

Speaker 7 (01:35:01):
Sam's at the Colts fourteen Stroud under center, handoff, Mixon
starts Wright, cuts left ten five, Mixon still Cohen, takes
out of defender.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
And takes the ball into the end zone. Jones couldn't
bring him down.

Speaker 7 (01:35:14):
Mixon has six for Houston and they can tire the game.

Speaker 4 (01:35:17):
With the extra point.

Speaker 3 (01:35:18):
Mixing with a grown man run, get off me won
a run by Joe Mixon.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
I am a fan.

Speaker 1 (01:35:28):
Kilt Mark Vandermere, Joe Mixon just outrageous run. Now rageous
runner this year when he gets the ball in space
that only tied at ten to ten. But that was
my favorite highlight, my favorite play in a game that
was just a little weird that Texans end up winning
this holding on twenty three to twenty. And yes, as

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they mentioned before the break, bringing in our friend Kevin
patra Uh, Hey, what is your biggest takeaway? Because to me,
it's like, okay, the Texans are in charge of this division.
The loose Stefan Dicks to an injury in this game.
I'm not sure what to feel about either one of
these teams.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
But where do you want to start?

Speaker 19 (01:36:07):
Kevin Well how I started in the What we learned
this week is defining it as the Texans survived.

Speaker 12 (01:36:14):
They survived.

Speaker 19 (01:36:17):
A near collapse, They survived with bad a really bad
turnover on a pitch from c. J. Stroud and CJ.
Stroud survived behind an offensive line that continues to be
really bad as a pass protecting unit. He was under
siege all day. I think it was like fifty seven
percent pressure rate, something ridiculous, and he just couldn't get

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anything going on offense. Mixon was like the stabilizing force.
He had a one hundred and two yards and that
touchdown that we saw, and other than that, there was
like it was up and down all game. And then
when Diggs went out, you know, it was a funnel
everything through Tank Dell. But as far as the Texans go,
they really just kind of meandered their way through this
and let Anthony Richardson kind of hand them the the

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victory there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
Yeah, let's get to it. So Richardson finishes ten for
thirty two.

Speaker 19 (01:37:07):
Yeah, which is you know, where those ten came from. Honestly,
it was he. I say, he did complete ten passes,
Like that's how bad it was.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
He did have a couple good throws that I thought
could have been caught, like one or two in there,
like the touchdown throw to who was that to to down?
Not not the touchdowns, not the long white not the
long touchdown throw. I'm thinking of another one that that
wasn't caught to the pylon or whatever, to eighty Mitchell.
That was a beautiful thrower. Like that's the one play

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where you look at it and you're like, see, that's
what everyone wants to see him moving in the pocket,
making a good decision and throwing an absolute dying But
where just where do you think he's at with play?

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
He reminds me the NFL level.

Speaker 12 (01:37:46):
It's weird.

Speaker 19 (01:37:47):
He he reminds me of like somebody who would have
played in like the seventies or the eighties, like just
bombs away, but like very poor accuracy on the intermediate routes,
which is like something we don't see nowadays. Quarterbacks are
like seventy five percent completion rate, like and he just
and his misses aren't close. Really, I mean, he's putting
in a guy's feet, everything is behind it. Receivers got

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to you know, twist their contort their body just to
make it close. And then he uncorks a bomb and
it could one got completed today, but most of them,
you know, it was just off the marker, throwing it
out of bounds.

Speaker 12 (01:38:19):
He's just very inconsistent.

Speaker 19 (01:38:20):
And I was really surprised that Shane Stykin kept putting
the ball in his hands, especially with Jonathan Taylor back.
And Taylor looked good when he carries for a bucko five.
Uh So, I mean they could have rammed the ball more,
and I think Colts fans would would say that that's
what they were thinking about. I thought this whole game
was like who's gonna run the ball and who's gonna

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make a play on the ground because the offensive lines
could not pass protect at all.

Speaker 12 (01:38:46):
And what we haven't even gotten to is.

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
Daniel Hunter was ridiculous today and so was Will Anderson,
and the two coming off the edge made life miserable
for Anthony Richardson and he couldn't escape from it.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Well that makes more sense, like, look, they are a
defense with stars that has created issues for much worse,
much better offenses. Than this now, Jonathan Taylor, I agree,
like looked fantastic in this play, but I mean in
this game. But yeah, when Richardson was holding the ball
more than two and a half seconds, he goes five
for for twenty three.

Speaker 2 (01:39:21):
I mean, that is just outrageous.

Speaker 1 (01:39:24):
And I know he was under pressure on some of
those and he had some rushing ability, but it is
a tricky spot.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
He also missed the play.

Speaker 1 (01:39:31):
It's going to become a big talking point that he
said he was, you know, tired.

Speaker 19 (01:39:36):
You know, he got twisted down. So at the time,
I was like, well, maybe he's a little banged up.
It was third and long and they just handed. They
just were like, okay, this is a give up play anyway.
So I think the coaching staff would probably say it's
not a big deal, but that mentality is, you know,
that's going to be questioned moving forward.

Speaker 2 (01:39:51):
I don't think that is that big of a deal.

Speaker 1 (01:39:53):
I think not being able to really run a consistent
NFL passing game is a bigger deal. That Michael Pittman
goes from so valuable to six targets one catch. When
Richardson goes in, you just like lose the value of
one of your best players.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
It's problematic.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
Tell me what I'm not seeing in Stroud's day, because yeah,
he was under a lot of pressure. He still ends
up being able to complete twenty five of thirty seven
for two eighty five, but without digs and without Nico
collins Man.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
It's just it's tough living.

Speaker 19 (01:40:26):
And you could tell like the pressure was starting to win.
And I would use the word annoy for him more
than like, you know, make him. He can still complete
passes and he makes plays out of structure like we
saw last year, and he continues to do that, but
his pass were just a tick off, like a tick behind.
Not as bad as Anthony Richardson's, but just like something
wasn't right, and he just seemed like he was getting
annoyed with himself and with the lack of protection. At

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one point they pulled left guard Green and replaced him,
and then his replacement got injured, so he was right
back like they clearly were trying to bench him, and
then they couldn't because his replacement got hurt, so he
was back in there. But it's just they needed four
by the interior of that offensive line. I don't I mean,
it's really hard to trade for offensive linemen right like
ever in the middle of the season, but like if

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there was ever a team coaching he needed it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:10):
Yeah, it's coaching.

Speaker 12 (01:41:11):
He need need to figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
To your point, And now that I look at the
next gen numbers, it's absolutely crazy. So I pointed out
earlier in the show that the Bengals didn't have a
single quick pressure on the day, which means under two
and a half seconds. Dio Odingbo had five on his own.
He was one of seven Colts who not only had pressures,

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but quick pressures, Like, so multiple multiple quick pressures. So
lots who had three, Pay had two, Buckaner had two,
Brian had two. EJ Speed their linebacker right too. Those
are the quick pressures. I could go into like the
just total pressures numbers, and they're absolutely outrageous. And yeah,
like the the Texans had a ton two Hunter at twelve,

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Landers that at seven.

Speaker 2 (01:41:57):
It was just a game of pressures.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
But if you look at like the quick numbers, it
was even more dramatic on the Colt side, And then
I think it's absolutely fair to kind of compare the
two It's like one young quarterback who's one of the
best young quarterbacks i've ever seen can make it work
and make an NFL offense because he's so ahead of schedule,
and the other quarterback absolutely can't because he's behind schedule.

(01:42:22):
And if the Colts are really trying to win games,
that's the most important thing. I think they start Joe
Flacco next week, but I don't think they're at that point.
I don't think they should be either. I don't think honestly,
I don't think they should be. It's not all about
twenty twenty four.

Speaker 19 (01:42:33):
I think it's fair to ask that question, like, should
they if they're you know, try now they're two games
behind in the division because they lost this game. But
if the goal is to Anthony Ridgardson to be your
franchise quarterback, yo, yelling him in out of the lineup
is not going to do anybody any good.

Speaker 1 (01:42:46):
Wouldn't surprise me if at some point he gets bench
for a couple of games and then reinserted after a few,
we will see. Let's go to Detroit where quarterback controversies
that's that's for bad teams. That is a long time
ago that Detroit had quarterback controversies.

Speaker 11 (01:43:03):
Off out of the gun hands it to Jamior Gibbs
gives their fifty.

Speaker 2 (01:43:09):
It's a foot race down the left sideline. Give twenty fifty.

Speaker 19 (01:43:12):
Ten five touch down.

Speaker 10 (01:43:15):
De Froyd Lions, Oh, maybe seventy yards.

Speaker 8 (01:43:20):
Smir Gibbs found the opening and they couldn't find him.

Speaker 1 (01:43:27):
That is Dan Miller and Lomas Brown on w x
y T. Remember that stat a couple of weeks ago
that Jamiir Gibbs had somehow not popped a twenty yard
run all season, and in the last couple of weeks
all it is is twenty yard runs.

Speaker 2 (01:43:43):
Seventy yard runs.

Speaker 1 (01:43:45):
He finishes with one twenty seven on the ground on
only eleven carries. David Montgomery adds a rushing touchdown and
a passing touchdown. The Lions dropped a fifty burger on
the Titans at one point right through three quarters. At
one point in this game, they had forty nine points

(01:44:05):
in twenty six net passing yards. Jared Goff finishes with
only eighty five yards through the air and three touchdowns.
It's a laugher. This is what you can do when
you're one of the best teams in the NFL. Kevin Patrick,
how does it feel?

Speaker 19 (01:44:17):
It's hilarious because I was thinking. I was thinking during
the game, I'm like, man, I remember these games. Yeah,
being on the losing sides so many times of like
just to just getting walloped and there's nothing you can
do about it.

Speaker 12 (01:44:28):
I mean this, it was crazy.

Speaker 19 (01:44:30):
The line started drives on the interception on the second
drive started at Tennessee's twenty.

Speaker 12 (01:44:34):
Three, A big big kickoff.

Speaker 19 (01:44:36):
Return start at Tennessee's twenty five, and other interceptions started
Tennessee's to what twelve. Another punt return started Tennessee's twenty two,
then a kickoff return for a touchdown. I mean, the
offense didn't have to do anything. This was a day
off for Jared Goff. He didn't have to do anything
at all. You know, he took some sacks. He might
have been a little banged up with his ankle. We'll
find out more going forward, because he did. He did

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get get rolled up on. But they didn't have to
do after the Gibbs touchdown blast off, it was more
like they were practicing red zone offense all they were doing.

Speaker 1 (01:45:07):
And what's awesome about that is that the defense can
create big plays. You get the huge ninety yard touchdown
return by Khalif Raymond, your special teams are making plays
so that it doesn't all have to be about the offense,
right and the offensive line. In a day where you're
playing up against a pretty good pass rush and a
pretty good run defense, you can still exert your will

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on the other team. Mason Rudolph starting the game. He
ends up having a couple interceptions. Tony Pollard, who's like
the only good part of this Titans team, has a
nice day on the ground. And it was funny because
Calvin Ridley was the squeaky wheel this week saying they
don't get me the ball much in the first quarter,
and he had one hundred yards in the first quarter
and none of it mattered because none of them mattered.
The Jets are, I mean, the Lions are just that good. Laporta.

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Nice to see him finally make some big plays. I mean,
what are you even worried about right now? As a
Lions fan. It's going too well.

Speaker 19 (01:46:00):
The pass rush is going to be an issue. They
need to make a move before the deadline. I mean,
maybe they could get arden Key after they just played
him and he had two sacks today on Jared Goff,
maybe they can flip him. Since the Titans are, you know,
in cell mode, but that was an issue early. I mean,
Mason Rudolph was moving the ball up and down the
field that Jamier Gibbs scored, and then the Titans answered
with another touchdown, and then Detroit it was just then

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the bottom fell out for Tennessee and it was thirty
eight straight points or whatever it was. So I think
we're moving the ball and I do still have questions
about that pass rush because the secondary. Aaron Glenn deserves
a ton of credit for getting these guys in the
secondary to play well. But if you can't get pressured
better quarterbacks are going to pick you apart down the road.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
I love this division. There's so many division games left.

Speaker 1 (01:46:44):
So to say that next week's Packers Lions game is like, oh,
that's the biggest game, It's like, no, we got a
lot of big games between all these teams left. We'll
see if the Bears can hang with the other three.
We'll see if the Vikings can hang with the Packers,
and the Lions. We'll see if any of them can
hang with the line, because the Lions look that good lately.
I loved what Dan Campbell said after the game on

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the podium and in the locker room after the game.

Speaker 2 (01:47:07):
This is him on the podium.

Speaker 20 (01:47:08):
We did come out to fight, and that's what we expected.
You know. I felt that we were going to be ready.
We were going to be ready. And it's like I
told them, that's what champions do is and you come out.
You don't care what time of day it is, what
the records are, what the surface is. You just you

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come out and handle your business.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
That's absolutely right, Kim Petra. That is which champions.

Speaker 12 (01:47:33):
No trap game, There no trap game, right.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
They're up for every game and that it's always a
sign of a great team who can stomp on the
bad teams. Because we know the Lions are going to
play the good teams tight or beat the good teams.
We've established that, But who can stop and stay on
their p's and q's.

Speaker 2 (01:47:47):
Dan Campbell is getting it done. What a coach you found.

Speaker 1 (01:47:50):
I'm happy for you, Kevin Patra, a coach to match
that beautiful head of hair. We say goodbye to Kevin
Patra and we head to Sunday Night football.

Speaker 5 (01:48:01):
Here's Brock under center, Grendo the long back, the party plunch.

Speaker 7 (01:48:04):
He'll take it to the goal Line's perty in right
up against the goal line touchdown San.

Speaker 1 (01:48:13):
Francisco, the Rock Perty Plunch Rock Party takes it in
from two yards out. That's Greg Papa on KNBR. I
don't know if that was just an automatic play where
where Perdy saw what was in front of him and
he decided to take the two yards out were there,
but his head's up quarterbacking, which he did for most

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of the night, especially on the ground, Perty ends up
with fifty six rushing yards. Isaac Corendo in for an
injured Jordan Mason gets eighty five on the ground with
a touchdown. The forty nine Ers explode in the third quarter,
come back from ten to three to make it twenty
seven to ten, and then they hang on for your

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dear life. After almost doing what the forty nine ers do,
which is blow a fourth quarter lead thirty to twenty four,
their defense gets Dak Prescott to go four and out.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
At the end of the game, Nick Shook, It's like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:09):
Depending on which section of the game you watched, you
could think that any unit on either of these teams
is terrible or awesome. Like each offense or defense took
turns not looking great or looking dominant. But the forty
nine ers I think are the better team overall, and
they got the win in the end.

Speaker 5 (01:49:27):
Yeah, And if you really want an assessment of the
Cowboys offense, don't watch that last possession they had because
it was dreadful. You know, down six points, you've burned
all your timeouts. You need to go basically the length
of the field, and you call up four of the
worst plays possible and don't get a yard and four
and out otherwise, you know, like you said, there was
a period there. I know, right, I'd freezing for a

(01:49:48):
second just because I'm like, wow, this game, I'm the
forty nine ers are like world beaters for a quarter
and then they look like, well they were gonna blow
another lead in the fourth quarter. At one point late
in the third quarter, I just thought to myself, they're
gonna slaughter them, like is gonna be over with ten
minutes left in the fourth quarter. And then the Cowboys
mount a comeback and neither offense could do much in
the first half, and at the end of the night,
we're like, what do we know about these teams? We

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know one thing. The forty nine ers got to win,
and that's a lot for them because it's been a
rough Yeah, in five weeks and the Cowboys are still
the Cowboys who are banged up defensively, got more banged
up tonight and in the end came up short.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
Right, they're three and four and.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Right now, what they're two games back in the lost
column to Washington and Philadelphia. And there's just nothing consistent
about this team. Dak Prescott's having the worst season of
his career. Their offense is the worst that it's been
in the Mike McCarthy era, really, or at least in yeah,
since twenty twenty one. If you look at their EPA
per play numbers and their success rate, they've been top

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five in the McCarthy era, and this year they're outside
of the top twenty. And it reminded me so much
of the Ravens game where they fall way behind, they
play their best football CD, Lamb and deck in Dak,
you know, looking great in the fourth ordered down by
a handful of scores. I'm not gonna say it's garbage
time because you got the ball back, as you mentioned,
with four minutes to go, your defense stepping up with

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a chance to win. Actually, I do think those four
players are the ones to watch, nick, because I think
they're very telling about this season. First play on that drive,
first and ten, Dak Prescott throws it into a forty
nine ers team meeting. If Fred Warner doesn't break the
ball up, dominor Lador is gonna pick it off and

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the game's over, like two or three forty nine ers,
And I don't know what Dak was thinking. And there's
just been more of those plays than you would expect
this year. Two interceptions in this game. One of them
was a great defensive play, but still that was another one.
So that's play number one. Then you try a deep
shot to go Cavante Turpin, which was a great throw,

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could have been an absolutely great play, but just poor execution.
Turpin can't come down with it. But then you think
about it and it's like we're throwing perimeter shots to
our receiver because we don't really have anyone else to
throw to. Then third down, he's under a lot of
pressure and he throws it in completion or that that's

(01:52:10):
the fourth down. And there was another where he was
fleshed out and at the throw it out the sideline.
It's just like, if it's not the offensive line, it's Dak,
I's not Dak, it's one of the receivers.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
Yeah, I mean you get no running game tonight ten
for thirty four from Zigil Elliott. But you're actually, you're
absolutely right. Those four plays did kind of describe the
Cowboys in a nutshell because, first off, situational football. Why
are you calling those plays as if there's forty five
seconds left with no timeouts? I mean, the shots of
Turpin down the sideline was a perfectly placed ball by
Dak Prescott, but it's Turpid. It's a small guy who's

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mainly a returner who's become a receiver out of necessity.
You're not throwing it up the ceed land. You're not
thrown up to anybody with any size, and he doesn't
make the play. Why are you taking shots or at
least putting Dak in a situation where it feels like
he's got to make a thirty yard completion just to
keep them alive when there's ten yards to go and
you're out of the two minute warning. That speaks to
the Cowboys and their dysfunction offensively, which has been which

(01:53:04):
has played them for most of the year. The other
thing is this, why did it take them falling behind
twenty seven to ten for them to wake up offensively.
Not to take anything away from the forty nine ers,
who played a great third quarter and deserve this win.
They're the better team. But why did it take you
that long? Why did it take you that long against
the Ravens to wake up and actually move the football?
This is just indicative of what they've dealt with all

(01:53:25):
year and why I know you took a little bit
of heat, but you also said the Cowboys were gonna
collapse this year. Oh weekly is watching the game like tonight.
I'm on board with you. I think you're right. I
think they're going nowhere fast.

Speaker 1 (01:53:36):
Yeah, that was that was our step on the uh
the tiny tiny table, tiny table, not the tiny box.

Speaker 2 (01:53:42):
Colleen. We would never step on.

Speaker 5 (01:53:43):
Her, would not step on Colleen.

Speaker 2 (01:53:45):
It's not looking good. I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:53:46):
CD made some nasty catches in this game, thirteen for one,
six and two touchdowns. A lot of that came late,
but he also had like an insane catch to start
the game off on what ended up being a scoring drive.
Like or they made good plays the forty nine ers,
they just needed to get to their bye. You mentioned
the injuries Bosa for most of the night really made

(01:54:06):
a difference in this game, flushing Dak Prescott out, having
a big sack, getting a lot of pressure, Perty made
good decisions. Deebo Samuel gets a rib injury, so he
plays and makes a big plays, has a big gainer
in the first half four for seventy one overall. Pierce
all gets involved four catches thirty eight yards and had
a big time run in the second half, like Mason

(01:54:28):
goes down, and you get good rushing production out of
Grendo and pretty This was just a survive in advance
game for them. Get to the by, you get Tampa,
who's been very erradicalming out of the by, and hopefully
you get see you know, Christian McCaffrey back after the bye,
and you have a chance. We're in an NFC West

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where all four teams have four losses. The Rams are
at three and four, the other three are at four
and four, and it's probably not gonnae of them.

Speaker 5 (01:54:57):
None of them look like world beaters, Like no is
totally for the taking the forty nine. If there was
every a year for the forty nine ers to have
their lumps and have all these injuries and still be
in the hunt, it's this year. He's winning a game
like tonight puts them in a great spot.

Speaker 1 (01:55:10):
Yeah, that's a good point that you could look at
it two ways, that the forty nine ers are ripe
to be picked off, or you can look at another
way like this, right now, we don't see a team
like let's say the twenty twenty three Rams or certainly
the twenty twenty one Rams, where just a team that
looks ready to take over this division, and the forty
nine ers have gone about it the other way being

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the world beaters. Maybe they can figure out a way
to be playing their best in December, which just feels
like miles away right now. I did think it was
important for Purdy to go out there and have a productive,
efficient game against a very vulnerable defense. The Cowboys will
get Micah Parsons back maybe next week, DeMarcus Lawrence at

(01:55:51):
some point, but overall they just didn't have enough answers.
You had all the answers though today shook.

Speaker 5 (01:55:56):
Yeah, you know, Greg, I have one question for you
before we wrap y, where is brock Party in your
mind right now? Because he's had some stinkers. This Wow,
this was not one of those he created, and he
did throw the ball well, but he's had some stinkers.

Speaker 2 (01:56:09):
I'm glad you ask it's they've been in the last month.

Speaker 1 (01:56:12):
We have Quarterback Island returning, So if you're listening, let
us know who you think deserves to be on who
doesn't deserve to be on Quarterback Island. Maybe we'll take
that into consideration before we tape a perty will be
an interesting discussion.

Speaker 2 (01:56:25):
He was an easy one the first one around.

Speaker 1 (01:56:29):
This time he won't be I think as much of
a slam dunk, but I've got some opinions.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
I'll hold him for now. And yes, thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (01:56:36):
If you made it this far, if you like these
these juicy shows, this was a no bye week show,
and yet we tried to get as much of the
sound in as we can. Like, maybe this show is
too long. I don't know, it's all in my head. Eric,
like it is two hours too long. Let's say goodbye
before it gets any longer. Let us know we love
we love our listeners on NFL Daily, especially.

Speaker 2 (01:56:56):
The ones who are asking. Is Walker out of NFL
Security prison?

Speaker 9 (01:57:01):
He is?

Speaker 1 (01:57:01):
He enjoyed the games at home today for Nick Schuck, Campwolf,
Patrick Claybahn, everyone behind the glass Randy Shop is Eric Roberts, H, Yeah,
when the Cowboys are blown it in primetime, you know
football is back.

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