2025 NFL Week 10 Recap: Patriots Prove It, Tightening AFC North, and Season-Saving Wins

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where the AFC is looking a
whole lot like it looked twenty years ago. I'm Greg
Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio, and Jordan
Rodrigue smiling. Patrick Claybond's wearing a beautiful tie.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Oh thanks.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
And I'm not just talking about the Patriots and I'm
here too. I'm just looking at the top and in
the AFC, and you see Indianapolis, and you see Denver,
and you see the Patriots, and you go over to
the NFC, you know as well, it's like it's dominated
by you know, the NFC West. I don't know. It
just feels a lot like twenty years ago to me
over there in the aves.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's a tradition all over the place as the blue
bloods of the NFL.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Remain at the top.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
What a fun day we had in the newsroom today, guys.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
It was a lot. It was a lot of happening.
You know, teams caught up when they were behind, because
that's what happens in football games, and we're going to
talk about all of it. I struggled picking the start
of this week's slate because there were a lot of
really interesting games I didn't know, like what was the
game of the day, and you guys convinced me that

(01:11):
it was Patriots. Buck, So I don't look like a
Homer by going along with what you said. Let's go
to to Tampa.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
May under the center, second down M nine plus from
the thirty one high formation, toss left. Henderson has it
trading books outside the fifty to the forty, to the thirty.

Speaker 6 (01:31):
To the twenty to the ten to the house.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
Patriots, there's your book game.

Speaker 7 (01:39):
Ain't too Benny, start to buses the Toba shortwave.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
But it's a slape today we are getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
It's safe clover. He said this before off.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
The two man No Scott Zolac making me regret my decisions.
Start with the Patriots, right the bat. Patriots go down
to Tampa and they say, stop talking about strength to
schedule Greg. The two best teams you know we faced
in the last five or six weeks. They got the

(02:12):
w and they got it on the road twenty eight
to twenty three. Patriots hold on in Tampa. And yes
it was Travion Henderson on a day where no Ramandre
Stevenson and Terrell Jennings. Who's getting all the carries early
in the game, gets hurt, so they just gotta go
with Travon Henderson. And you know what, that's a pretty
good idea. When I think about like the big picture

(02:34):
of this Patriots season and this win in particular, I
think what you got to like from a team building
perspective is this was a team that was old and
slow at various points, and now they're young and explosive.
You get the two huge plays from Travon Henderson, you
get the young guys on the offensive line who didn't
have a perfect day, but considering it was against Todd

(02:54):
Bowles and everything only took one sack on the day.
You have an explosive young quarterback. Obviously Kyle Williams has
the explosive play. And then the guys you brought in
in the offseason, so many of them had crucial roles
in this win, especially Milton Williams, Kalevon Chase On and
I think it was a complete victory because it's not
all just about Drake may. This was a day Patrick

(03:16):
where he had some throw of the Year candidates, multiple maybe,
and he had some groaners, a killer interception that allowed
the Bucks back into this game and made some big mistakes,
but their defense picked up Drake May in the running
game at the end, picked up Drake May when they needed.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
And something that lends to what you've talked about for
two years now, where it wasn't Drake May being the
only thing that mattered today. They needed those explosive plays
in the run game because this Bucks team, which gets
a lot of pressure, they got to Drake May, and
under pressure, he was four or thirteen fo one hundred
and sixty seven yards. He did have that one touchdown
to Kyle Williams, who made a great adjustment on the

(03:51):
ball where May was hit as he threw and he
wound up finishing that play and getting it into the paint.
But we saw this be a complete Patriots team, have
a complete formance against a good team coming off the
buy on the road, and yeah, it's all the college
football weird criticism of like strength.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
The schedule, like like.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
Maybe that's on me.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
We don't need a committee at this point.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
No, I get it, but I do think schedule explains
a lot in the NFL, and they have like three
more cupcakes after this too, But they have been consistent,
weirdly in how they win these games. You look at
like success rate in this game, Like their running game
was terrible for most of the day, but that's why
explosive plays matter more. Travion ends up with one hundred

(04:34):
and forty seven yards, most of them on those two
long touchdowns, and the rest of the day they couldn't
get anything done on the ground. But that's kind of
how they've played all year, is just hitting a handful
of explosives. Usually it's in the passing game, and they
got a couple of those today with Matt Collins and
Kyle Williams.

Speaker 4 (04:46):
Yeah, and important that a couple of those came in
the run game, specifically against one of the better run
defenses in the NFL. And I feel like this was
such a cool game for Drake May if you are
Drake May, because yes, to your point. While I would
say the majority of this game looked really sharp, really crisp.
He looked like the same quarterback we've been seeing who's
among the highest in the league in completion percentage right

(05:08):
now and making tight window throws and pushing the ball
down the field. There were a couple plays that he
wants back, but in those moments, the rest of the
team prior to as opposed to last year, and certainly
what the stinkers some of these rosters have been in
the past couple of years. The rest of the roster
stepped up and complimented around him, and you really see that.
And you mentioned the passing game, Greg, I think their

(05:30):
run game obviously still work in progress, but in the
passing game, specifically the layers that Josh McDaniel's and the
rest of that offensive staff have built into the passing game,
there is an over for every under, there is an
under for every over. They're peeling defenders off of each
other and creating leverage matchups, creating one on ones to advantage,
and everybody's running really crisply. Even the big older tight

(05:53):
ends are coming back to the ball with really explosive movements.
And you've got to feel really good about this if
you're seeing this.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
So let's throw it to that throw the year candidate
that I brought up earlier, the fifty four yarder to maccollins.
Third down fourteen gets a breath.

Speaker 5 (06:10):
A different car May is flanked by Henry White Henderson left,
who takes the snap.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Poor man rush Drake is back. He launches along about
farming down the right side. He's got an open man.

Speaker 8 (06:20):
Hollins makes the sects crop the fifteen tack.

Speaker 9 (06:23):
Bull in silent head, a perfect crow by trick.

Speaker 6 (06:27):
May after the red gloves of mac Collins first in
gold and kill at the.

Speaker 10 (06:31):
Age and he gets croached, absolutely croped to.

Speaker 11 (06:35):
Get on the release dismay, but he hangs in there
and throws a freaking time.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Looked about Collins on the co roped down the right
bouldry as I'm McCallum uncovered there, does not expect Mac
Hollins too, essentially acts as a tight end for this
team and made the key block on the Travion one
of the Travion Henderson touchdowns, the first fifty five yard run,
which was in the third quarter. Hollins's playing more because
no case on booty in this game. Christian Gonzales also

(07:02):
a good game. Gives up only three catches to a
Mecca Abuka on nine targets. Abuuka still got his It
was great to see him fully healthy. He went six
for one fifteen overall. But yeah, a balanced game. I
thought Baker like he played pretty well in this game.
If you're a Bucks fan, you get Luke geticky back.

(07:23):
I think It's a very frustrating loss for them because
their pass rush was better. Their run game, even though
they miss Bucky Irving, like Sean Tucker, was really good
in short yarded situations. They had a much higher success rate.
I thought they like protected Baker better, but they lost
around the margins in general. I want to get your thoughts,

(07:44):
guys on the Mike Rabel decision late in the first half.
I think it kind of was the key to the
game in the end that late in the first half
they're driving, there's about a minute forty to go and
first and goal inside the five, they were around the
three yard line. They have Drake May take a dive

(08:04):
after the Bucks use all their timeouts to basically burn
clock and waste the first down play with Drake May
when they're basically on the goal line, like extremely interesting
strategy I have never seen before. And then the Patriots
can't score on the next two plays and it's typical

(08:25):
of what they did all day. They could not run
on short yardage. And then here's what great players do.
They just bail out their coaches. Because Drake May and
Stefan Diggs had an incredible fourth down touchdown, they get
the touchdown there, they get the touchdown on the other
side of halftime, and suddenly they get that fourteen point
BELICHICKI and Sandwich, what do you think about this strategy? Patchrick, Oh, Greg.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
It could be process oriented and criticized the decision to
waste it down and then wind up targeting and twine
Winfield Junior on the back shoulder with Stefan Diggs where
he's having to find the ball off and make get
two feet down. Or you could be results oriented and
say six it's New England. Clearly it was the right decision.
I lean towards process.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, but most coaches in this league are results are oriented,
so you're probably gonna have a recency bias on that one,
a little bit of a confirmation bias.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
I don't know if many coaches have the stones to
try that was wild.

Speaker 4 (09:16):
I don't mind trying to manipulate the clock. I do
think that trying to run the ball in short yardage
against one of the best short yardage run defenses in
the NFL is probably where things start to go a
little bit sideways. And you could tell how much situational
coaching that this group is getting week over week. With
Mike Rabel, you kind of knew it was a given.
And he's got John Striker on that staff as well,

(09:37):
and so obviously they're gonna hammer this every single week
to the point where maybe some people are overthinking things,
like Trevion Henderson who's looking to the sideline to see
if he should still keep running and scoring a touchdown
on that second while he's running, because because you're just like, ah, crap,
what was it we talked about this week earlier in
the meetings, and then looking over to the sideline like

(09:58):
that's how you can tell they're thinking a lot about
these types of things. So I just I'm tickled by
all of it. It worked out for and probably wouldn't
have worked out, you know, five out of other ten
times they tried it.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, that steff On Dig's catch was awesome and he
goes five for forty six. He has been so valuable
for this team, even beyond the statistics, it is really outrageous.
My thing on that play was I wouldn't do it,
but if you had just run, just run the ball,
it would have happened naturally. Anyways, they tried about ten
different runs up the middle in short yarded situations and

(10:28):
I think they failed about nine times anyways, including the
next two plays. So just run the ball. If you
happen to have scored, just take it. But I get it.
They did not want to give the ball back to
Baker with light twelve seconds to go. No, it would
have been like a minute and thirty seconds left if
they had scored on the first down play, you know,
or a minute.

Speaker 4 (10:45):
Forty normally, Baker Mayfield, can you know, make crazy things
happen with a minute and thirty seconds left to play? Unfortunately,
I think.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
It's a good problem to have if you score a
touchdown with a minute and thirty seconds.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, it is worth pointing out to Yeah, to what
you said there.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
In football Patriots, we.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Would have been talking about this game back and forth
much differently if Baker Mayfield had led one of his
patented fourth quarter you know, Baker ball drives here. I
was expecting it. I was expecting it to do it.

Speaker 4 (11:16):
I saw you give the look, I mean the Baker
cape sound rolling may.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
May You know they had a chance to go up eight. Instead,
he forces the ball into the end zone with about
five minutes left. Tike Smith, who's been awesome this year,
makes an incredible interception, and I kind of just felt
like Baker Mayfield would drive the ball down the field.
But their defense has really gotten better, and it was
it was pass rushed by Milton, Milton Williams and Caleb
on Chase and in a good secondary right now with

(11:48):
their three cornerbacks. So credit to the Patriots defense for
holding them off. They the Patriots took a bigger lead
than expected in the AFC East because yes, the upset
of the day happened down in Miami.

Speaker 2 (12:03):
Ahan the piscoal bag fish it to them. Let there
he goes dry go He's.

Speaker 12 (12:09):
Caught twenty ten five touch down Miami a chen have
a day.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
Oh my gosh, Tons, I don't think you ever. He
never got the full speed on that way.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
He didn't need to devon Ah Chan, He's taking it
easy on his way into the end zone. The Dolphins
ended up taking it easy in the fourth quarter of
this game, thirty to thirteen over the Buffalo Bills, who
fall to six and three. Yes they are a game
and a half behind the Patriots. Dolphins improve to three

(12:47):
and seven eight Chan with one hundred and seventy four
yards on the ground and a couple touchdowns. And oh,
by the way, just adds another fifty one through the
air with six catches, becoming one of the fans see
pickups of the year. Patrick, how was this so one sided?

Speaker 3 (13:06):
Well, this was one sided because it's a familiar thing
that we've talked about with the Buffalo Bills on defense,
where yes, it was a great performance against Kansas City,
where you could say, the type of skill player that
Kansas City has that's not Rashi Rice, you don't get
the level of production that you get like in games
we've seen where John Robinson is running all the Buffalo Bills,

(13:29):
like the game Phukunakua had against the Buffalo Bills and
Sean McDermott's defense in SOFI Stadium last year, and Jalen
Waddle and Devon Han present a particular problem in terms
of explosiveness and ability after the catch and after contact
that we've seen the Bills struggle to deal with, and
especially in stacked boxes today where Buffalo was loading up

(13:50):
against the Miami run game eight or Moore defenders in
the box seven carries for seventy four yards force wow,
ten point six yards per carry against stacked boxes and
over on the other side, how rough it has to
be for Bills fans who coming up to the trade
deadline have dreams of all these receivers, even within the division, thinking, oh,
it could be a fire sale in Miami we get

(14:11):
Jalen Waddle.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
No, they have to deal with covering them instead.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
While Josh Allen has the longest time to throw in
this season and you have to go back a couple
of years in his career in a single game where
you just wonder if the Bill's whether it's a Joe
Brady issue, whether it's a talent issue. In terms of separating,
they did not get the game they needed from their receivers.
Even even when they did get something going late, it.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Was too little tailent. Tom Pallisero of NFL Media reported
this morning that the Bills were the most aggressive team
in trying to go get Jalen Waddle, which is a
fascinating fork in the road moment. But either Miami didn't
want to trade them in the division or they just
needed a first round pick plus, which you know I
would have I would have held out for that too,
for a guy that good.

Speaker 4 (14:54):
I harken back to the summer and the early fall
when Brandon Bean was like downright angry about reporters continuing
to ask about receivers and bringing in receiver help and
will you potentially trade for a receiver and then reportedly
making this much of a push for a receiver who
could be a true one in your offense. Is it

(15:14):
is admitting, you know, to the fact that it's a
glaring need and a very obvious one.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Jordan just sticking the knife into Bean. Maybe it's not a.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Nice I mean, he was on that radio call like it,
and I'm sure he was proud of his performance on
that radio call, which.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Is it's kind of solid.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
The folks will, well, we'll bring up but then, you know,
you look over on the you know, the celebratory aspects
that they were able to have with Maxwell Harriston, where
Jalen Model gave him all kinds of problem and maybe
relying on the rookie coming back from that LCL sprain
in just his third game in one on one situations
with Jalen Model kind of highlights why they needed Harston
in the first place.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
Let's give some important context in terms of the Bill's injuries.
They got through that Chiefs game, and sometimes I feel
like the whole Chief's off season is all I mean,
the Bill's off season. It's all about like figuring out
ways to stop the Chiefs, and they are good at that.
But they get through that game playing well, and they
were not healthy. Tarron Johnson, they're great slot corner out
for this game. Christian Benford out for this game. Michael

(16:11):
Hoyt we've mentioned, is out for the seven season. Aj Epenesa,
their passers are out for this game. They lose Land
and Jackson, their rookie defensive lineman during the game. Josh
Palmer was also out on offense. So especially on the
defensive side, they're not fighting fair and yet on the
offensive side they're healthy enough. And there was like a
fourth and one play early in this game, Jordan, that

(16:33):
to me was very typical where it's like they're rolling
Josh Allen out and they're just making it harder than
it needs to be and he's out back there forever
to your point about the time to throw, and he's
throwing the ball like super deep on a fourth and
one and you're thinking, ye got James Cook. Like they
were shut out in the first half of this game
for the first time in more than two years.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
Yeah, more often than not, when I clicked over to
this game, it seemed like they were pressing too hard
on offense, almost squeezing the puppy too. You know, you
got to back off a little bit.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Don't don't squeeze any puppies here.

Speaker 4 (17:03):
No, that's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Don't we love our puppies.

Speaker 4 (17:06):
Don't do it. That's it's uncomfortable, right, And this is
a team The Bills were fourteen and two against the Dolphins,
and you kept seeing these cut to shots of Josh
Allen on the sideline just looking like he couldn't believe
what was happening to them. And certainly, you know, the
Dolphins just parted ways with Jalen Phillips, for example, and
yet their defense suddenly is looking better than it had.

(17:28):
The Dolphins offense has been without Tyreek Hill for a
while and obviously had that front office shakeup, and then
questions and calls coming in about not just their head
coach and what his future is going to be, but
questions about many of the players on the roster, questions
about the quarterback. And this group looks better, you know,
it's it is almost functionality out of chaos, which is

(17:49):
a little worrying long term for like stress levels and
the heart example, but heart held for example. But I
feel like this is such a shock and a wake
up call to the Bills, as depleted as they are
on the defensive side, there has to be some tough
conversations that happened now.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Well, there's also the oblong nature of the spheroid that
went the opposite way for Buffalo and has gone the
opposite way for the Dolphins for most of the season,
where James Cook's knee as a fraction of an inch
from being down, ball gets poked out on a promise
and Ronnie actually averaged north of five yards to carry.
Josh Allen had what felt like a sixteen yard run

(18:28):
on a quarterback sneak where it was just all sneak
the whole way and probably should have gone down after fifteen.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
But he has the ball getting knocked out.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
He throws an interception in the red zone, is picked
off by melafan Wu who had solid coverage. It's just
Josh trying to make a play squeezing a ball in there,
and so those turnovers key, but just execution for Miami.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
Best they've had since the team against the Falcons.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
And I know Tua ended up with two interceptions, so
he wasn't a clean game in the end, but that
was a dime that touched down to Waddle and he
had some very nice throws in this game, so give
him some love. Would they put a thirty points on
the Bills get their third win of the season. All right,
That's that's our AFC East update for the day. Let's
head out to the NFC West where it felt like

(19:16):
this Rams forty nine ers game had a chance to
be kind of the appetizer for the Rams Seahawks game
next week. But really to make that game as good
as it can be, the Rams had to go and
they had to even the score and take care of
business in Santa Clara.

Speaker 13 (19:32):
What do you think in play action passer, if you
really want to delve at a kill shot?

Speaker 14 (19:36):
Sure, Matthews understander performed a single back. Davis Allen motions
from the right side.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
It is play action Stafford ready to deal.

Speaker 15 (19:43):
He throws no look less side along Parkinson. He can
walk right in touchdown. Caldy Parkinson and Matthew Stafford stick
to the dagger in San Francisco.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Oh like Jordan Rodrigu to Brandon Bean a great call
there by MJD setting his partner up with a great
question before and he nailed it. JB. Long on KSPN
forty two to twenty six the Rams win, And how
fitting Jordan that a tight end kicks off our Rams

(20:18):
discussion because you were geeking out about the tight end
usage today.

Speaker 4 (20:21):
I know, aren't you sick of me?

Speaker 16 (20:22):
By now?

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Greg sitting next to you and that just freaking out
over thirteen personnel sitting next to you in the queue.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
You did have a long rant about thirteen personnel while
this game was starting. I'm like, the Texans are in
the middle of the craziest come back I've ever seen.
Like right now, I don't need to hear about the
first corner of this four h five game or whatever's going.

Speaker 4 (20:41):
Yeah, you're like, my game's still going, My game's still going,
My game's was great. Okay, the caveat here and yes,
forty nine Ers fans, and I'm so sorry, and I
hear you your team is so injured, your defense is
so injured. Perhaps for a minute there there's a worry
that you're gonna lose Tatum Bethoon again, another inside linebacker,
came back into the game. Yes, that is the big
caveat here. But the thing that is a truth here

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is that the Rams look like a super Bowl team.
But the thing about this Rams offense that is different
from its previous iteration of its super Bowl winning team,
besides being homegrown and not picks for players and all
of that, is how much deeper there's chematic options can go.
This is no longer an eleven personnel all the time dominant.

(21:24):
We do not DEVI eight team. This isn't even a
twelve personnel team. So two receivers, two tight ends offense.
This is actually it's skipped right past and Sean mcfaz
taped his foot around the gas pedal, and it is
a thirteen personnel, three tight ends on the field, one
receiver team. And you saw this today at a forty
four percent rate, forty four point eight percent of that

(21:48):
there plays thirteen personnel for six point seven three yards
per play and a sixty three percent success rate. Plus
four of the six total touchdowns that they put up
on the forty nine ers today, this was their most
productive personnel grouping of the game, beyond eleven personnel, beyond
twelve personnel. And yes, again it came against a really

(22:10):
really banged up forty nine ers team, but this is
a schematically diverse and multiple Rams offense that is really
hard to defend because they can hit you with probably
the deepest tight ends roster in the league.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
And obviously that's hoping, that's hoping helping to open up
the pass game, and all three tight ends too were active.
Ferguson has a thirty two yard catch in Higbee and
parkin center both active with three or four catches over
thirty yards each. But it's also helping the running game.
Where to me, just when I saw this game, and
then you look at the success rates comparing the two teams,

(22:44):
and you look at Christian McCaffrey getting stuffed for thirty
yards on twelve carries, like the Rams are the much
better running team, and you know that that has to
kill Kyle Shanahan deep inside that the Rams are like
the running team between these two.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
And We've got to a point where I was seeing
Brian Robinson Junior with early carries. It's twenty one to nothing,
and I'm thinking, oh, this is a white flag from
Kyle Broan. Robinson Junior averaged twice as many yards per
carry as Christian McCaffrey, and you kind of start to
wonder if they're going to deploy their backs differently as

(23:17):
the season came on, where CMC is clearly like far
and away one of the better players in terms of
being involved in the past game, not having success on
the ground.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
And hasn't been for a while.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
You pointed out something important, greg about their usage of
these heavier personnels that I think makes it really tough
for teams more so than even having to figure out
how this comes out to defend against the passing attack.
Kien Williams had almost sixty percent of his carries today
out of thirteen personnel, fifty percent success rate, five point
one yards per carry to both touchdowns that he scored.

(23:49):
When you're looking at the modern version of some of
these heavy personnel teams, including even the Pittsburgh Steelers and
certainly the Seahawks, what they do at a twelve personnel
they're building their that heavier personnel specifically with the idea
of passing the ball. The Rams started that way as well.
You look at how some of the stats have shifted
and some of the carry share has shifted into heavier personnel,

(24:11):
and then the heaviest of personnel, right, and you're looking
at them building their run game around this as well,
including having it be such a force and a factor
in the pass game to the point where you know,
Davante Adams leaves the game with a back injury after scoring,
you know, his eighth touchdown and eight red zone catches,
and they just shift immediately over to thirteen and it's

(24:33):
like they don't even lose a step, and it sort
of like makes you remember, oh, yeah, DeVante Adams and
Matthew staff Stafford are having an incredible season. So if
Puku Nakua is down, Davante Adams is up. And I
want to take a look at that touchdown and listen
to it, because it was just what's becoming a vintage
moment between the two.

Speaker 17 (24:52):
Second down and go from the two, Helmut high snap
looking left, throws that way, it's caught for a touchdown.

Speaker 14 (25:00):
Hey Adams, touchdown, la knocks.

Speaker 17 (25:04):
Over a videographer with a twenty seven to fourteen lead.
Shaken up, but good to go. Devonte Adams continues his streak.
He leads the NFL with nine receiving touchdowns.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
Now that I'm looking at that, I'm wondering if that's
where his back injury happened, because he hit that camera
pretty hard.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
So they updated after the game that they're calling it
an oblique now and they said they thought he could
have possibly returned to the game. So we'll see about
his status for next week. But very typical Rams to
change the injury after the game. But great, great release.
You have him lined up on Malik Mustafa and it
was just a vintage Adam's release off the line of

(25:44):
scrimmage and he just wins quickly. And yeah, a storyline
early in the season was how they couldn't get it
going in the red zone. Really to Devanta, they were
forcing it and now he is absolutely dominating. Before we
leave this game, I do want to just introduce the
idea publicly of the map Jones, Brock, Purty Scale and
me because Man Mac Jones only had six and completions
in this game. He goes over three hundred yard, he

(26:05):
throws three touchdowns like he did his work. And the
more I watch Man Jones, the more I watch him
in this offense, he's really adding something to the table.
And I and I said to you Patrick, and you
thought it was obvious. So if it felt good about it.
That No, no, that Greg miscoding past. No no, no, no,
I'm not miscoding. I said the average Mac Jones game
at this point at a higher level than the average

(26:29):
Jimmy Garoppolo game for the forty nine ers. Yes, that's
all I'm saying. And so Mac Jones, you know, you
know that game when you're when you're at like the
carnival of you're hitting you know, you're trying to hit it,
and the guy's like climbing up the hill a little
bit like if you're on the scale of like an
average quarterback in a Kyle Shannan system, maybe like replacement level,

(26:49):
it's Nick Mullins. And then you're going up the level
and there's Jimmy Garoppolo. Mac Jones has now passed Jimmy Garoppolo,
and he's getting reasonably close to block Brock Purty like
he's behind him, but you know he's he's getting closer.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:02):
My only issue with the with that part is it
starts by invoking Brock party, and we don't need Brock
to say that, you know, Mac has surpassed Jimmy Garoppolo
on the on the Kyle Shanahan quarterback scale.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
Yeah, that's a fine discussion. I just think we don't
need to invoke rock.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Okay, I'm just saying it's getting closer, that's all. Reportedly
he could be back next week, and Kyle Shannon even
said after the game that he thinks brock Purty could
have been the backup today and was very close to
being ready to go, and they wanted him one hundred
percent until he before he returns in I have a
feeling now six and four that will be next week

(27:42):
for the forty nine ers. All right, let's move on
to Berlin where we were hoping for a good one
and we got one. We sent the international fans home happy.
We also got to hear a little bit more of
Will Gavin this season.

Speaker 7 (27:57):
Cool goes to Tayler bounce the outside down to the
tall touchdowns. Jonathan Taylor his third of the day as
he goes two up to two hundred and thirty yards,
three touchdowns and a walk off for the Indianapolis Colts
in Berlin, who moved to eight and two on the
season after his sensational day.

Speaker 12 (28:19):
The entire fifty three, every coach, everybody on the field.

Speaker 7 (28:24):
Is gathered around Jonathan Taylor, who.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Has carried this team to victory on German soil.

Speaker 18 (28:30):
What a day.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
One a day for Jonathan Taylor, wanted day for Berlin
and what a resolve for the Colts. Oh that's Ali
Connelly helping out Will Gavin on talkSPORT. I was driving
in to work when I heard that call, and I thought, well,
I'm gonna hear that call again later today. That was awesome.
Thirty one to twenty five. Yes, Jonathan Taylor carried the
ball thirty two times today for two hundred and forty

(28:54):
four yards. If you had told me that his eighty
three yard run in the fourth quarter to take the
lead was not going to be like the call of
the game and we will hear it, I just wouldn't
have believed it. This was a performance, I think, Patrick,
that could send shockwaves into the MVP conversation formula that
you've been working on.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
It already has okay, it already has to give a preview,
and you know Greg's asking for it. Greg is a
part of the scoring, and in part we have access
to the mind of a Greg Rosenthal. Jonathan Taylor, despite
having negative points to start to come into Week ten
because he doesn't play quarterback, has now surpassed his own

(29:33):
quarterback in senior dimes in the conversation because Daniel Jones,
despite getting five points for leading the league and passing
yardage coming into the week, does not get the points
for a quality primetime performance. Greg scoring the negative dimes
game with the turnover, that's tough, and.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
So Jonathan Taylor supersedes his quarterback.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
And I think we have a precedence set here where
if you're going to score in the conversation against your teammate,
one guy has to have a clearly better game than
the other. Yeah, and that's clearly Jonathan Taylor.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
So no points for well, I think the fact that
it happened in an Island game and everyone could see that, Yes,
Daniel Jones is important and made plays. That's why I
feel bad about saying negative because you know, he had
that third and fourteen to set up the game tying
field goal right before the end of regulation, the run
that was important, a number of scrambles to get to

(30:25):
fifty three yards on the ground. They did fall behind
in this game. But you also can't ignore the sequence
where he had an interception and three fumbles in about
a five you know, possession sequence that's not ideal.

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Starting to worry about the fumbling a little bit, just
saying we know this has been a problem before. I
have no doubt that with this group around him of
really talented people and coaches like that, can get cleaned up.
But yeah, I'm noticing, not judging yet, I am noticing.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
And there were a ton of free rushers on him.
He only lost one of those fumbles. But to me,
if you fumble it, that's just as bad. It's it's
luck whether you get it back or not. Their offensive
line really struggled to identify rushers for the second straight week,
so that's something for their team to clean up during
the bye. That's not necessarily on Daniel Jones, because Manny
was under pressure quickly a lot of plays, and.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
That's why perhaps the biggest gift of this week of
NFL football was on the final drive in regulation for
the Indianapolis Colts, jeff Olbrooksons blitzes on first and second
down to force the third and twenty one, and then
they have a four man rush where Daniel Jones is
able to run and pick up a nineteen of those yards,

(31:32):
and then on fourth down they bring back the blitz
Jones has MPJ on the hot read wide open to
the top of the screen. Instead, he decides to use
the force to Tyler Warren, who has a defender all
over him, but somehow gets fits the ball in there
for the first down, which hey, where results oriented great decision?

Speaker 1 (31:51):
Well, I agree with you, but Tyler Warren is such
a beast, and I believe it was Jesse beats there
in covered and he just at at this point trusting
Tyler Warren to moss anyone on the biggest play of
their season, because if you don't complete that, the game's over.
Falcons win. It's not a bad decision. Tyler Waron makes
the catch and you know, and he also turns an

(32:12):
upfield and makes the play. Mandy has a good feel
of like where the defenders are gonna be after he
makes these catches.

Speaker 4 (32:17):
There was a quiet battle going on between Daniel Jones
and Jesse Bates for the entire game. Obviously, Jesse Bates
was super aggressive on the ball whenning coverage, but also
they were sending him in some of these creepers, so
looking like you're gonna blitz but then not actually blitzing,
And they were sending him on some of these pressure
looks where on one of the turnovers that Jalen Walker
forced a fumble. Excuse me, James Pierce Junior forced the

(32:39):
fumble this week. It was the reverse last week and
Jalen Walker scooped it up. Jesse Bates was Daniel Jones
was looking at Jesse Bates coming off his hit to
his right the entire time. He wasn't even clocking what
was going on to his left and it was basically
a free rush right at him ended up being a turnover.
They were going back and forth all game. I thought
it was really really cool to watch. The score to

(33:02):
me on the Colts side does not necessarily show how
much fun this Atlanta Falcons defense is sometimes to watch,
and yes, some of the calls when they'll they'll make
the right call for two of the downs and then
be like, ah, where'd it go on the third down?
But this defense has come so much further than I
expected them to in one year under jeff Ford Bridge.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
I think this game was and they're playing one of
the best offense in the league is kind of typical
of what this Falcons defense is, which is they're a
big play defense, kind of going a big playoffense, but
they give up a lot of big plays. They don't
have enough of a consistent pass rush, but the secondary's
good and they lose Alford Robert Alford early in this game.
D Alford, I'm losing. I'm confusing my Alfred's that I've

(33:44):
played for the Falcons. Five hundred yards for the Colts
in this game, and yet I blame this game on
the Falcons offense. Really, the defense has more than done
its job all season long. But in a game where
you know, the Colts pick up a new kicker, they miss,
they miss a kick short, and miss an extra point early.
They have zero third down conversions through the first three

(34:08):
quarters of this game. Like I mentioned, they had the
four fumbles, they had two failed fourth down potential conversions
deep into Falcons territory where I think they were almost
afraid to let the kicker kick. And they also made
sense at the time they had the intercept. All of
that happened on the other side of the ball, and
yet the Colts kept having the ball down four points
with the chance to win the game. This Falcons offense

(34:29):
should have put this game away earlier, and they were
just horrific on third downs on dropbacks on third downs,
Michael Pennix completed one of five passes for four yards.
He took three sacks and fumbled the ball away. They
had negative thirty one yards on those eight dropbacks. And

(34:51):
in a game where like there's no DeForest Buckner. It's
not like the Colts had a great pass rush in
this game. They're just their passing game I think is
killing them.

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Yeah, the offense is driving me nuts. Don't think I
did not notice Mike McDaniel running h Chan out of
the pistol for huge production today. By the way, just
in case, backup plan, you know, backup plan in case
some shuffling happens.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
There was a weird under center play by Michael Pennox
in this game, and I was.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
Like ooh, and then it was like the only one
just in case Atlanta's in the market, you know, this offseason,
you know, just in case some things move around. But yeah,
I remain absolutely infuriated at times by this offense, and
a lot of the passing game is just predicated on
what can Drake London.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Do six for one four and a touchdown six for
one four in a touchdown.

Speaker 4 (35:35):
He had a hat trick last week, but they lack
so much dimension in other areas of their past game.
And yes, Bijeon went for eighty four yards on seventeen
attempts to four point nine per attempt, but it was
so start stop, start stop, and then he's completely a
non factor in the game within the red zone.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, in overtime, I do think play, you know, players,
not plays, and it's one drive in overtime, and it's
a very short drive. It ends up being five plays.
And you know it's Darnell Mooney who had a killer
drop in regulation. Eight targets to Mooney for one catch,
and it's Algier a lot at the end of this game,
and they didn't get Drake Lindon a target like at

(36:14):
the end of the game. Where in overtime, who did
Dania Jones throw to Tyler Warren? Like it was all
Tyler Warren? And you trust your best players.

Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yeah, And there are so many situations where you look back.
We've talked about the falcons inability to use the middle
of the field in the passing game, and then they
had a great opportunity. David Sills got one target today
and it was a nasty miss by Pinnix where you
you know, at this point in the season.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
It can't just be Zach Robinson's. It takes a.

Speaker 4 (36:37):
Village, yea to have a passing game an offense.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
And you got to put the blame on nine on
some of these. I understand they don't use the middle
field a lot. David Sills and his connection maybe be
non existent, but you could.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
You can meet strangers, not not nine that suits up
for the Vikings, the alter ego. This is Michael actual
quarterback who plays for the Atlanta Falcons.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Where's number nine? Two to my knowledge only is one person.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. He was inaccurate for a lot
of the day. He finishes twelve for twenty eight, and
he was getting a lot of negative texts from Nick
Westling to me, just like I've never thought Michael Pennix
had it. He doesn't have it. There's not enough, you know, oomph,
And I'm you know.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
But that's the thing he does.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Like the things that Michael Pennock junior and out are
very difficult to do, Like it's difficult.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Not seeing it as enough develop buttons.

Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yeah, yeah, if he if they can action passing to
the middle of the field, run dagger for Christ's sake.

Speaker 1 (37:34):
And some of it's on the coaches too, because his
team can they cannot get plays off in time, like
how many plays There were literally two drives that were
ended because Michael Pennix was not ready for the snap
because they had to snap it too quick and he's
like walking up and they're running out of time. And
so I don't know if the plays call is getting
in late, but just the operation is is just rough.

(37:55):
They're three and six, A lot of questions for the
Falcons going into thereby the Colts are at eight and two.
Who man, they are feeling better going into their bye.
And before we say goodbye to this game, let's actually
go to break by listening to Will Gavin again because yeah,
we got to hear that touchdown call. Remember the fout.
The Falcons were winning this game in the fourth quarter,

(38:16):
seventeen to thirteen. They give up a field goal drive,
then they get stopped for a three and hour, and
then Jonathan Taylor takes over under center.

Speaker 6 (38:24):
Now Daniel Jones has Pittman going in motion, has Jonathan
Taylor in the backfield, gives it to Taylor up the middle,
gets the ardish needed for the first down, maybe a yard.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
More that's the outside. Is that brought down?

Speaker 9 (38:35):
How's the time?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Twenty four to forty, twenty five to fifty. Taylor can
go all the way here, He's the two druckers. He's
gonna all the way. Ten tied touch down counts.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
Jonathan Taylor unbelievable.

Speaker 10 (38:50):
I'm with that.

Speaker 6 (38:51):
He breaks Hendering James, Indianapolis coach rushing touchdown record. This
man is special, indeed, and he's carrying this team to
open out be a nice in two records.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
Ravens of the line first in goal at the two.

Speaker 19 (39:07):
Lamar steps back into the shotgun, spreads three receivers to
the right.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Lamar takes a snap roll to.

Speaker 15 (39:14):
The right, grows from the back of the end zone,
touchdown Mark Andrews.

Speaker 20 (39:20):
And the Ravens extend their lead with ten forty.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Left up play in Minnesota. They extended, they did, and
they hold on twenty seven to nineteen. The Ravens win
their third straight game to get to four and five,
same record that the Vikings have. In the loss Patrick,
they were just knocking on the door all day, settle

(39:43):
in for field goals all day. The Ravens finally break
through get a touchdown early in the third quarter from
Justice Hill, and I gotta say, you know from the outside,
and you can tell me as the one who wore
some purple today it felt like the Ravens defense is
keeping them in this game and waiting for the offense
to hold up.

Speaker 3 (40:03):
Shout out to Vanessa and Wardrobe picking this outfit for me.
I had no say or other. She literally had to
help me button the collar because I didn't know that
it actually.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
But you know what's sad is I have no idea
for oh yeah, yeah, that's cool. It's sad. I would
have no idea that it's purple. But I know it
because Jordan said it earlier, so I'm just copying.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
I still this is in the range of the spectrum
where I just whatever somebody says it is same. It's
dangerous because my life will be like that's my gunda
or whatever, and I'm out.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
You feel the pain of the color blind community.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
I appreciate, yeah, stand in solidarity, but generally been feeling
pain regarding this Baltimore Ravens defense where they've gotten seven
turnovers in the last three games. They get enough from
Tyler Loop. I know there are those who may be
seated at this table with me who were oppositional to
kicking field goal, but they give you three points and
you are allowed, based on the rules, to keep these

(41:00):
three points for the duration of the game. And yeah,
it's a back and forth game toward.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Sometimes when you're like way ahead, though, the other team
can come back and that's how they can go.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
They can but when you get you know, Marlon Humphrey
picking off JJ McCarthy as he did on what was
essentially a punt where Justin Jefferson fell down. Justin Jefferson,
I believe, finished with thirteen targets and four catches in
this game where Zach Orr executed the plan pretty much
almost a perfection, where there was an opportunity for a

(41:31):
two point conversion after a late touchdown from Jalen Naylor,
where you know, Nate Wiggins was arguing for a pass
interference call which is okay not to do during the
play though, which allowed Jalen Naylor with a late touchdown
that gave the Vikings a little bit of hope.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
They went for two.

Speaker 3 (41:50):
But you just saw the way that the bracket coverage
was designed on Justin Jefferson to limit him. In je
Adobe Huzie had a break up there, but you know,
the Ravens continue to ex on play action that touchdown
pass to Mark Andrews. I will fight those at NGS
who say that that is not a play action play
despite having Lamar spread out to the right and where
the entire Vikings defense is looking at him and not

(42:12):
Mark Andrews on the back line. But a solid performance
where yeah, they could have been successful in the red
zone a little bit more, but all you need to
do is good enough to win. I guess a solid
team on the road is a team that's playing a
lot better than they were a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
They're stacking different types of performances. The offense hasn't been
like as consistent as explosive as maybe you would expect,
but this is a very difficult matchup and eventually they
broke through. Let's actually listen to that McCarthy interception that
you referred to. He had a couple of them today.

Speaker 14 (42:45):
Vikings three of seven on third down. This is third
and short, two tight ends. They're balanced off, said I right,
McCarthy on third and one is going to pass from
under center. He's going to go deep Jennifer soon now
Ti Marlin Humphrey picked it up, picked it off, but
the five yard line. The veteran Marlin Humphrey heads up
the field lazily to the fifteen. Now he sprints twenty

(43:06):
twenty five and JJ McCarthy has thrown two interceptions.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Oh wow, Paul, both interceptions when targeting Justin Jefferson.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Also Pete Bursich on the call there along with Paul
Allen on kfan going what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (43:22):
In the middle of that call, I mean, right out
of his hands, Pete was asking what are we doing?

Speaker 1 (43:26):
And that's why I know Jefferson felt and I saw
some critical tweets in Vikings Blue Sky about Jefferson today
that you know, he had a couple of plays that
he normally would have made. You don't normally hear that,
but an up and down game from JJ McCarthy where
great first drive again in a couple really good throws,

(43:47):
but also some plays where he looked very young, including
the end of game situation they had the ball back
down eight with a chance to go, you know, possibly
try to tie and win the game, and that two
minute situation seemed to overwhelm McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
Well, it seemed to overwhelm you too, Greg.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
It was a tough one to watch if you just
like good ball. I mean, he's just he's just like
throwing the ball in the middle of the field and sliding.

Speaker 4 (44:12):
Down thinking forever to make decisions too.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
He just wasn't ready for that moment.

Speaker 3 (44:16):
And it also gives credence to the defenders of the
three man rush where on the fourth down, the Ravens
decide to rush three, much to mushagrin as I'm on
TV watching this take place, but they come through and
JJ throws to Aaron Jones late, where Jones is having
to try to make a diving grab and it was
too little, too late.

Speaker 1 (44:35):
Well, I think the thing that bothers you about that
clip is that's a play where JJ McCarthy has absolutely
perfect protection. So it's more the decision that feels like
it was made before the play instead of basing on
what you're seeing in terms of coverage down the field
and there was no need to rush that throw.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
But also, as a play caller, right as much as
I love Kevin O'Connell, you have a third and one
in that situation, and you have Justin Jefferson and running
that route.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Like, yeah, he's kind of what you want, just jad
to look for. Yeah, he took it. He talked about
a postgame where they were showing a zero look, so
he knew that Justin Jefferson was automatically going to have
distance against the defender. So I think all of this
can be true at once. If you are on a
third and one with a quarterback who's kind of been
up and down a little bit to that point in
the game, who was spiraling a little bit after the

(45:24):
after the first interception, yeah, you definitely are going to
maybe like run the ball. But if you're facing all
of that down low into the box, and if you're
facing a zero like look like that like Kevin O'Connell
was talking about, and you know, the best, one of
the best receivers on the planet is going to have
a step. You just really need to make the throw.
You have to execute the throw, no matter what the
call is. On the converse, a lot of talk going

(45:47):
into this game about Lamar Jackson versus the Blitz, highest
passer rating in the NFL against the Blitz still was
blitzed on sixty percent of his dropbacks for a for
a touchdown and was eight for eighteen, so little hit
or miss. Nine pressures hitter miss doesn't say, I don't
think it means anything here or there, because they send

(46:08):
blitzeres in different ways. But still that that high amount.
That was Brian Flores committing to a game, and you.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Could see Monkin trying to get the ball hard up
like they were throwing a lot of horizontal passes, one
of which Jonathan Gernard seemingly went directly through both of
his elbows on a pass to say Flowers that they
were trying to mitigate that pressure from from the Vikings
pass rush a little bit, and we saw that and

(46:34):
kind of play out. Yeah, it's stats that you mentioned,
but you know, in the difference in the quarterbacking when
you didn't get the pressure, eight made the plays and.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Nine, which nine, There are a lot of nice that's.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
An interesting question. So was that actually nine playing today
or was that JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Okay, So for a little bit of context, JJ McCarthy says,
his alter ego is nine. That's the core back who
has taken all the anger from missing his rookie year
and then missing a lot of time this year and
bottled it up and used it for good supposedly. But
if nine was out there today, that didn't seem like

(47:16):
a good nine. And there are a lot of other nines,
so that's confusing too.

Speaker 3 (47:19):
Yeah, in terms of JJ McCarthy's nine performance today, maybe
that's the Nine's the devil on the shoulder, that's like, throw.

Speaker 1 (47:27):
It deep to JJ here, Well, here are the other nines. Okay,
So Pennix struggle, Yeah, Stafford, maybe the MVP right now
had a good day for your candidacy, Jordan, Bryce Young
a little bit of a struggle right now in Burrow.
Not healthy. So the nines they're not nine.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
In Yeah, and we played in Berlin today nine.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
I really am so happy by the way that we
gave Berlin like a banger that that was a fun game.
I know we're so far off topic right now. Shout
out to Patrick Ricard. By the way, while all these
teams are heavy, we got the old school Patrick grekhard
on the field making a big difference for the Baltimore Ravens.
All four and five records, by the way, are not
created equal. The Ravens four and five they feel like

(48:12):
they got a chance here in this AFC North. The Vikings,
on the other hand, with a very difficult schedule ahead,
are two losses back of the seventh seed in the NFC,
in the back of a few very good teams in
the division, including the Detroit Lions. Making some news on Sunday.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
I formation behind Jered, he turns handed to Gibbs, running right,
runs through a tackle, gets down of the.

Speaker 9 (48:36):
Ten, gets to five, still fighting down two down of
the one to the end zone, touchdown Detroit Lions.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
He did not quit, had a couple of.

Speaker 9 (48:48):
His buddies in there pushing as well, and they pushed
him right into the end zone for another score.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
That was an incredible run by Jamir Gibbon. I know
it's not like as long as like these Travon Henry
once or as long as the Jamir Gibbs one. We'll
hear in a second, but that's like one of the
runs of the year. I'm giving a next Greg stats
Oh here that ngs for when he had from where
he got the ball and where the defenders were, he

(49:17):
had a point six percent, you know, point six percent
chance to get a touchdown. Actually, no one in the
NFL other than Jamir Gibbs is scoring that touchdown. It's impossible.
And I submit as great as Bajon Robinson is the
more I watch Jamir Gibbs. I just think he is
the best pure runner of the football, at least to

(49:39):
my taste, in the NFL right now. Man, it's tough.
I'm not saying complete player at this that, but just
as a runner, this guy is freaking ridiculous. One of
the best pure runners I've ever seen.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
Yes, and we could celebrate him without immigrating.

Speaker 1 (49:52):
No, we have to compare and then rank.

Speaker 2 (49:54):
Oh we don't.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
We have to pick one. No, we don't. I just did.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, we refuse, Jordan, I refused to engage Jamiir Gibbs.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
Special football player on a good team with a with
a good play caller.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Yeah, let's let's talk about what the big story coming
out of the game was, which was, Yeah, Dan Campbell
decided to take over play calling. Let's hear from Dan.

Speaker 21 (50:18):
This is all encompassing. You know, man, we all worked together,
coaches did a hell of a job. But I just
wanted to change it up a little bit. You know,
Let's just see if, if you know, maybe a different
play caller can can you know, maybe get a little rhythm.
That's all.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
And it honestly is.

Speaker 21 (50:36):
Nothing more than that. You know, I know you're probably
gonna want to ask questions about well, what about this
or I heard this, It's not that, it's this is
this was a change with many change.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
It was good for today.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
It was great forty four to twenty two. They scored
every single possession until they finished out the game kneeling.
That's that's crazy.

Speaker 4 (50:55):
I just loved how that the pitches of his voice
change where he's like, no, no, nothing is wrong. Don't
you dare put on the internet that something is wrong.

Speaker 3 (51:08):
We just made a little change, which is what a
thousand people said in July fourteenth, seventeen eighty nine, formed
the best deal.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
Just made a little change. We just wanted to say
a little switch it up a little bit.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
John, know what you're gonna ask, Don't ask it.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Don't ask it.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
John Morton taking artillery shells here. It reminds you of
Dan Campbell's rookie season as a head coach. Why am
I forgetting who his play caller was that he replaced
in the middle Lynn of that season, Anthony Lynn, and
I don't think John Morton's going anywhere. But you saw
Dan Campbell with those glasses looking at his play sheet,

(51:44):
losing his vision and the offense was awesome. Now was
going against the Washington Commanders, So Dan Campbell was setting
himself up for success and it absolutely worked. What I
saw a lot of was we're gonna run Jamison Williams
basically on the same route over and over again, and
the Washington Commanders are not going to stop it one

(52:04):
single time, and so we're gonna dress it up with
different formations and we're just gonna keep making it happen.
Six for one to nineteen for Jamison Williams. Amon ros
Saint Brown had a couple catches in a regrettable touchdown celebration,
and yeah, a whole lot of Jamir Gibbs who gets
one hundred and forty two yards on the ground with
just some crazy individual efforts. It is fun to watch

(52:25):
great quarterbacks and great offenses against his commander's defense. Like,
I know, the commander's defense stinks, but on the flip side,
you get to watch them just make like great football
players look their greatest.

Speaker 4 (52:36):
Yeah. I like when teams and I obviously I don't
like it for the other team. I'm sorry for the
commanders on that one, but I like when teams show
their work. I like when teams try things and build
things in game because they have the ability to do it,
whether it's a team that's going through a transition or
a team that's just flat out doesn't have the guys
like the Commanders right now, I like watching troubleshooting, game building,

(53:00):
like I love watching those things in reason we want,
you know, we want competitive games here. This is the NFL,
after all, this is Roger Goodell's National Football League. We
want competitive games. But I do love watching sort of
you draw the different designs and then build off of
them in the game like they did.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Right Like there was nothing I felt bad for, Like
Mike Sanders still at one point, who I think played
pretty well in their secondary, was the best player in
their secondary. But he's out there competing and everyone else
is just getting filaid. Trey Amos left with an injury.
The Commander's offense really had no chance because, like I said,
the line scored every single time they had the ball.
Thirty first downs and five hundred and forty six yards

(53:40):
in a game where they only had eight real possessions
before they're kneeled down. It is just outrageous efficiency from
the line. So they'll get tested more coming up there
at six and three Commanders fall to three and seven,
and yeah, I mentioned the long touchdown. Why don't we hear? Actually,
you know what I'm gonna do. I'm not gonna say
I'm handing over play calling permanently, and maybe it won't
be permanent for Campbell either, but I'm gonna handover play

(54:03):
calling to Eric Roberts. I don't know if your mic
is on right now, and you can tell me if
you think this forty three yard rushing touchdown call is
worth listening to, and if the play is worth you know,
listening to, I'll give you the play call here. Greg,
I've told you in the past, if I put it
on the sheet, it's worth our time. I don't know.

Speaker 7 (54:20):
Let's go washing on defense now, got forty eight times.

Speaker 8 (54:28):
And home's god to five touch down Detroy lyon forty
four yards, sir.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
The mayor kids putting together a day, and the Lions
have opened the lead. It is now forty one to
sixteen for a great call there by Dan Miller, Colomas
Brown and Eric Eric Roberts.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
Greg, you're so red right now.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
I mean, I loved I love it. When that's my
love language is when people talk trash to me, right back.
That's what I need, that's what I want, that's what
fuels me. And and then I talk trash back to
him because I know sometimes some of the press conference
quotes you say, if you put it on the page,
it's worth it, and sometimes they're not worth it. So
that's when I have to do my Dan Campbell and

(55:12):
be like, well, we might make a change. I don't
know if we want to make a change. You might
say this, but we're gonna We're learning.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
A little bit about Greg the love language. Yeah, it
explains the uh explains to the.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Belichick ex blames my marriage too. Let's go to Carolina.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Third and so one four on third down, here comes
some pressures. Shut out of the shot, soun Frozer deep
down the far sideline looking for a LoVa. Oh, that's
head of love.

Speaker 9 (55:39):
I will just tiptoe down the sideline into the inZone
for a touchdown.

Speaker 20 (55:46):
Third and seven becomes touchdown Prissa.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
Love sixty two yards.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
We have done ten recaps this season. We have not
heard a lot from my costs on WWL, and we
have not talked about a game where the New Orleans
Saints went belt to acts on another team. Seventeenth to
seven against the Panthers in a game that should not
have been that close. They double them up in yardage. Jordan,

(56:15):
how did this happen?

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Well, I'm really excited to talk about what actually was
a pretty ugly game and where it swung in the
Saints favor. So you saw at that play it was
ten seven Saints there. It stayed for quite some time. So, guys,
if you will indulge me on this, we're going to
play a game and it's interactive, Okay, So perk up, Greg.
When I queue you, guys, you'll ask did they get points?

Speaker 1 (56:39):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (56:39):
Okay, okay, So let's practice. This is the queue.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Did they get points?

Speaker 13 (56:44):
Great?

Speaker 4 (56:45):
Okay. So it's midway through the third quarter. The Saints
are still up ten to seven and Bryce Young miss
Xavier Leaguette in the end zone after climbing the pocket
to throw. The Panthers get their field goal blocked. During
the block, it becomes a live ball and the Panthers
fall on it and get the ball back.

Speaker 2 (57:00):

Speaker 18 (57:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Bryce Young and Jimmy Horn Junior fumble in exchange and
Pete Warner recovers for the Saints at the New Orleans
seventeen yard line.

Speaker 1 (57:09):

Speaker 12 (57:11):
No.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Panthers outside linebacker Nick s Gorton gets a big sack
on Tyler Shuck on fourth and four early in the
fourth quarter to give the Panthers back the ball at
their forty.

Speaker 2 (57:21):

Speaker 1 (57:23):
We got to do it together.

Speaker 4 (57:24):
Bryce Young was intercepted on the next drive. It was
a bad read and a bad throat. The Saints got
the ball back in Panthers territory.

Speaker 1 (57:33):

Speaker 16 (57:34):
Yes.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
Shook hit Juwan Johnson for a thirty yard touchdown against J. C.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Horn.

Speaker 4 (57:41):
They went up seventeen to seven after the extra point
and that is where it stayed. The Saints get their
second win in Tyler Shuck's second start after a long,
long middle bear.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
I guess maybe I overstated it explosively at the beginning
in terms of domination, but defensively a day where the
Saints not only forced a couple turnovers you know late
in the game, as you talked about, but they hold
Rico Daddle to two point nine yards per carry. Bryce
Young ends up with only one hundred and twenty four
yards and an interception. And yeah, it was a type

(58:18):
of game that made you think the Panther season has
been great so far, and they can have great Sundays
moving forward. They're five and five. The type of game
it's hard to imagine a team that's going to wind
up making the NFC playoffs losing. Maybe they'll prove me wrong,
but this is one you kind of can't lose.

Speaker 16 (58:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
And meanwhile it's like this and they the things that
they were doing well. You mentioned it, running the ball
really effectively with your cot they were not doing well
during this game. Bryce Young did not have a great game,
made some bad throws, a couple bad reads, there was
miscommunications at times between himself and Ted McMillan. Tyler Schuck,
on the other hand, played really well. He was nineteen

(58:55):
of twenty seven for two hundred eighty two yards and
two touchdowns, a big yardage from the explosive plays. Like
I mentioned before, he was poised. He did not fear
the explosive throw. He saw the field well. A couple
of big time throws, and my favorite of the bunch
was this third and five to Chris o'lava that Olave
drew a DEPI on as he went up and got
it one handed. Let's take a look at it.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Oof.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
I mean, look at this. I told Greg to get
out of his seat. Look at this.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Olave is turning it on after a pretty slow start
to the season. I feel like he has played really well.
He did it with Rattler, but yes, every definitely happened
with Chuck.

Speaker 4 (59:31):
And every angle of this just shows that not only
is he excellent, excellent ball skills here, but also that
Shook really trusts him, that they're starting to build a
little bit of chemistry together. You could definitely see that today.
And by the way, this stadium, Bank of America Stadium
was where his season ended last season, and he told
reporters post game that he didn't really try to think

(59:53):
about it and didn't want to think about it leading
up to the game, but he got really, really anxious
once he stepped onto the field, and just getting out
there and running around and playing football made him settle
back in and feel a lot better because that was
a scary, scary scene for him last year and.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
Good for him in a great performance where he gets
that one hander on Shaw Smith Wade and he needed
it needed to be one hand because Wade was fighting
for his life and grabbing the other hand, and then
on the touchdown pass where jac Horn has played great
all season long, it just it looked like jac Horn
not looking like an all pro level defender on that
one play, which was a rough rep for JC and

(01:00:30):
Tyler Shuck did his job.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
He got the bald crysal Love in a place where
he could make a play.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
Yeah, And they were hand fighting a lot, and I
know Panthers fans like wanted to call there. I kind
of appreciated that they let them play. That's a really
great corner against a really great receiver. So it was
it was really interesting. The player of the game still
to me, was Derek Brown. I mean, this man is
doing everything he possibly can and then some. He made
a big stop on third down at midfield when the

(01:00:56):
game was still like sort of locked at that ten
to seven score and the Saints went for it, and
Derek Brown like swammed the defender and shot into the backfield.
And if Alvin Kamara was not Alvin Kamara and like
made half his body go limp to avoid the tackle
and then shoot underneath the blocking to convert, this play
doesn't happen. And so it's like I would love for

(01:01:17):
Derek Brown week over week over week to have more help.
Jac Horn has played well for the most part. The
linebackers are are hit or miss depending on the game.
It's just this is an all time looking player and
in his prime right now, and you really just need
you need more from the offense. You need more from everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
And they're gonna have their their down weeks. They're not
a complete football team. But for the Saints to put
up almost four hundred yards and for Shuck to go
seven of ten for two hundred and one yards and
two touchdowns on third downs, yeah pretty good. I thought
he looked good last week. He looked pretty da Patter
kind of scoffed at me. I was like, I know,
I know, it was ugly, but I thought he kind

(01:01:55):
of grated. He kind of did his job last week
against the Rams. I was like, it was a good
first performance. He's not all that matters for the Saints.
They're going to have a high pick won't be quite
as high after today. They're at two and eight, But
his rest of the season is the most important thing
about this team, and he's off to a good start.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
If the Saints can remove some of the truly infuriating
calls and decisions that they have on offense. I do
think that this becomes a more complete team. The Taysom
Hill stuff. Just take it out, please take it out,
especially donate it short yardage stuff. Take it out, throw
it away. He could still be on the team and
have a great time, and you can use him on
some of the little sort of like running back hybrid

(01:02:32):
full back packages, but like, do stop lining them up
in short yardage where everybody and their mother knows what's
going to happen, and then you can't even get a yard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Okay, a couple more things with this game. Number one,
the survivor pick is over. You all wanted to take
the Carolina Panthers, not a top twenty five team. I
think in Dboa coming into week you all wanted to
take them as a survivor pick. I said, I didn't

(01:03:00):
like it. I don't support it, but I had to
go along with you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
What game did you want?

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
I wanted the Seattle Seahawks against the Arizona Cardinals, and
you guys did not want that.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
So you know, your memory is an interesting place.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
It's just a fact. It's literally on the podcast that
everyone can.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Listen to, you're saying your selective memory.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Eric well, I might have. I might have been reminded before.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Greg. You forget so many things frequently, but when you're right,
you're trying.

Speaker 22 (01:03:29):
To remind him about it, because now he just show
that Greg does not listen to like the bad music,
like the surviving music played into the game. And then
I hit him up in the middle of us and
he had the biggest like, yeah, oh that's right, but
yeah no. He ended last the preview show with a
I win either way, because if we win, we win,
and then if we lose, you guys lose.

Speaker 4 (01:03:51):
Yeah. Selective memory is yeah, well that that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Comes in my ear from my excellent producersfurcating himself and
removing himself from from terrible what we seek to terrible leadership.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
Uh here, it's not just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
Shrabile removing himself from the personnel department when he likes him.

Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
That's true, But no, I ultimately hold myself responsible because
I could have. I could have just should have just
stopped it. It's just true. It's no respect. I should
have stopped it from happening. What else is that Carolina Panthers.
At least they came through on our picks with Cynthia Friedland.
That's six straight winning weeks. By the way, on that
before we go to the next game, I did want

(01:04:32):
to mention here that Paul Taglibou passed away overnight and
he was eighty four years old, and he was a
commissioner of the NFL for a long time, and uh,
I thought this was a spot to do it, because
he did one of the best things that I've seen
any commissioner in any sport do. And that's what stands
out to me is ple Tagley when he helped save

(01:04:53):
the New Orleans Saints. Younger listeners might not remember, like
it was flat out reported by ESPN that the New
Orleans Saints were moving to San Antonio, and Tom Benson
had made a lot of moves leading up to that
report after Hurricane Katrina. He was going to take the
New Orleans Saints away from that city after Hurricane Katrina,

(01:05:15):
and Paul Taglibu, according to all the reporting at the
time and afterwards, stepped in there and said, that is
not happening. That is not happy on our watch. So
in some part, the New Orleans Saints are are still
the New Orleans Saints because of Paul Taglibu. So rest
in peace to Paul Taglibu eighty four years old. Let's
go to Chicago.

Speaker 9 (01:05:36):
Motion to the right on second at eight from the
seventeen Klea Williams under center drags another Titan smipeon the motion.
Here's the snap of the playfake Williams rolling to his
left running.

Speaker 8 (01:05:44):
Now fifteen two hands old Jip Chozen touchdown in the
blue peg.

Speaker 9 (01:05:51):
Caleb Williams seventeen yards. Took care of business himself. He
absolutely did throughout the fourth quarter of that game. Six
different scrambles, three for explosive plays. Caleb Williams gets it
done with his legs, with his improvisational skills, and let's

(01:06:14):
just say it, with his daring do this Chicago Bears team.
You can put them behind in the fourth quarter, they
will find a way to win. Twenty four to twenty
two touchdowns in the final four minutes of this game.
Another heartbreak loss for the New York Giants.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
More on that in a second. But I think you
got to give some love to Caleb when we criticize
him for maybe relying too much on just making it
up as he goes along and not staying in structure.
I think you have to recognize the moments in a
game like this one where some of the plays he

(01:06:52):
was making out of structure were just incredible that maybe
no other quarterback could make and it wouldn't have been
necessary maybe in these final moments if his receivers had
caught some of those great plays that he made. A
couple of Zakias drops and other ones in this game
did not help Caleb Williams out, and he was not perfect,

(01:07:13):
but he was a playmaker when they absolutely needed it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Today.

Speaker 4 (01:07:17):
Yeah, I believe the six drops total for the game
is the highest in any one NFL game so far
this season. And I love it because it is Also
we've talked a lot about, oh, Caleb Williams and his
development and Caleb Williams and learning the system and figuring
out how to you know, be with Ben Johnson and
all that. It's the reverse. Also, it's Ben Johnson understanding, like,

(01:07:37):
what are the prime moments, in the exact right moments
to let this guy loose and to really do the
things that make him so special as a quarterback and
as just someone who sees the game in this very
like seven dimensional way. It's just very very cool. And
I loved that there were snow flurries in this game,
and we got all these slow motion shots of him

(01:07:59):
doing these insane like plane bending things, and the snow
is swirling and the Bears fans can't even believe they're
good fortune. They're all bundled up and hugging each other
at the game like this was. This was a poetic,
poetic game. Not if you're the Giants, no not, but
out of the ways or the Bears fans, this was poetry.

Speaker 1 (01:08:16):
And this was, you know, a game where both teams
had so many missed opportunities. There were two turnovers on
downs by each team in the first half where they're
going for fourth downs deep in the you know other
teams end. One time it was at midfield for the Giants,
but they're driving and they're struggling on those fourth downs.

(01:08:38):
There were some crazy, you know decisions by the quarterbacks
at times where they're almost going for too much. But
ultimately the Giants are ahead seventeen to seven in this
game before Jackson Dart runs for the sixth time in
the final time he did on the day, and his
legs were such a huge part of this game. He

(01:08:59):
gets sixty six yards on the ground. He's a great
runner and he scores two touchdowns on the ground, but
he takes a shot and he fumbles the ball while
he takes a shot, and the Bears recover that play
and the game really turned there. He did not leave
the game right away after that play, which is where

(01:09:20):
he suffered his concussion. He re entered the game for
a couple more snaps and he clearly wasn't right in hindsight,
and then he left the game. Russell Wilson finished it
out and in the final three drives with Russell Wilson
at the helm, the Giants had a total of seven yards.
So essentially, the Giants offense and the Bears defense against

(01:09:42):
Russell Wilson gave Caleb Williams those opportunities and he needed
them because they failed to score on the first one
of those post Russell Wilson drives, and they needed their
defense to get him the ball back and he did.
But really a depressing loss for the Giants to go
to and it just feels so familiar, and even in
a game where you really feel like you found your quarterback,

(01:10:06):
there's the yeah butt, not just the loss, but the
yeah but this guy needs to protect himself more.

Speaker 4 (01:10:11):
Yeah. The feeling it's familiar because the Giants have blown
four ten plus point leads this hotly cow. So yeah,
of course the sense the ominous dread even when things
are going right. This is a team. You know, there's
a specific type of anxiety called catastrophizing, and this is
a team that is the actual embodiment of it, because
at what cost something good happens for them, they gain

(01:10:34):
some positive progress, and you just have this feeling like
something is lurking and looming around the corner. That is
just I feel for Giants fans, I feel for the players,
I feel for the I feel for everybody because it
just all it just feels like this is a pattern
that they cannot get out of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:51):
Well, the pattern that they were in in this game
was pulling tackles and guards with Jackson Dart and going
straight quarterback power and having a whole lot of success.
So even on the play where Dart does fumble and
him reaching and trying to get the fumble, I think
was key in the way that his head actually hit
the ground, which the fumble happens kind of before the

(01:11:11):
ultimate injury there. And it just to see Russell Wilson
come in the game and so to Russ's benefit. The
game's not at net Life, so they can't boo him
the moment that he steps onto the field, which is
something that they're doing. But everything is completely different. And
I understand that Russell Wilson is a veteran quarterback that
can't run like he used to, but you could still
have Russ run. And Russ did scramble in this game.

(01:11:33):
And to defend Russ, because Dart wasn't officially ruled out,
he did have a forty one yard completion before Dart
was officially ruled out. And they have a goal to
go situation inside the five, and they wound up getting
a young Way coup field goal. You gotta wonder, like,
why why is it that the offense looks so entirely different?
And when the rookie quarterback is in first the veteran quarterback,

(01:11:56):
can you not make it look somewhat simire?

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Well, can you run the because you might get fired
tomorrow or Tuesday and you're gonna go out, Sorry, you're
gonna go out. Not going for it. There was a
penalty on the young waykup field goal that then pushed
the ball and they were already inside the five, but
push the ball to the one yard line, and Brian
Dable up seven points at that point, says, we're gonna

(01:12:22):
take the three points. We're not gonna take it off
the board instead of going for the touchdown to try
to win this, just try to get a yard, try
to be a team and if not, trust your defense
to stop them from getting a ninety nine yard drive.
And if not that then you're you're in a tie
ball game. Anyways, and he keeps the three points on
and that that is Mike Tomlin when he talks about

(01:12:43):
living in your fears, that is living in your fears.
And it's disappointing because Jackson Dart played awesome in this game.
I am really getting convinced about Jackson Dart. Like as
great as Caleb Williams played in this game, Jackson Dart
was as good in this game like the ground but
also a lot of money throws for fifty five minutes

(01:13:04):
of this game. It was really such a different story.
And I think they found their guy. I mean, I
know it's like a small sample size, but Manny has
been better than I expected. So that kind of like
Drake may last year for the Patriots, I'm not putting
him at Like, I'm not saying they're the same players,
but I think they got to feel pretty good even
if this is a totally lost season with a coach
that gets fired like the Patriots a year.

Speaker 4 (01:13:24):
Yeah, well that the organization very clearly believes that they've
they've found their guy. And you can feel it the
way that the team previously has galvanized behind him, and
they found their running back and they galvanized behind him,
and everybody is galvanizing behind these these two players, and
then all of a sudden, you know it is a
double edged sword because of his play style at which

(01:13:45):
he is the most successful. This is the second trip
to the Blue Tent, and obviously one went you know,
the way of Jackson Dart would have preferred, and the
other one he clearly is in the concussion protocol. So
it is something to think about when you're playing like
this and you have so much hope and everything feels
like maybe the dawn is coming around the corner of

(01:14:05):
the hopes. What kills you something?

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
I know, they had so many cool creative plays who
it was way more under center runs. It was actually
way less in Shotgun. They had Andrew Thomas playing tight
end on the right side on one play that was
so cool and then in the end you have to
wonder like they set a all time Giants road losing
streak record, which Brian Table was asked about during the

(01:14:29):
week by a very gutsy reporter Pat Leonard, who was
just like, what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (01:14:34):
It just okay, has no fear. Pat is the Jackson
dark power run Yes of Beat report.

Speaker 18 (01:14:42):
He is that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:43):
He is the ced deuce of Beat reporters. Chauncey Gardner.
Johnson is the one that forced that fumble. He has
three sacks in two games as a member of the
Chicago Bears, and it's been absolutely crucial in their winning
those to save da and it's c that is amazing.
Let's take one break and let's say goodbye to you guys.

(01:15:04):
This was a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:15:09):
Why he came at me. He pushed, we pulled. It's
all part of the beautiful CORNICOPI have sports.

Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Have a good rest of the show. Everybody.

Speaker 11 (01:15:29):
Third down and twelve Bushett, Let's get hit again. Ball
bounces Are you kidding me? And go to j Logan
another touchdown?

Speaker 8 (01:15:40):
Three Hawks, Holy catfish, I think strikes twice. Go to
see Hawks kay Fens Corsett rims back to throw, gets.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Hit, arm's not going forward, ball.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
Bounces right to DeMarcus Lawrence his second touchdown of the game.

Speaker 1 (01:16:03):
You can watch football for the next one hundred years.
I don't think you're going to see the same player,
Tyrese Knight, in this case, force a fumble and have
a defensive lineman return it for a touchdown for more
than twenty yards twice in the same first half in

(01:16:28):
an NFL game. Ever, again, I mean that is absolutely outrageous.
Tyree Knight did it in the first quarter. DeMarcus Lawrence
goes thirty four yards. He does it in the second quarter.
DeMarcus Lawrence goes twenty two yards wild Steve Rabel kit
kiro that was Dave Wyman two. Yeah, DeMarcus Lawrence had
a data remember it, so did the defense. Forty four

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to twenty to. Nick Schuk has joined us, and you
get to describe how this Seahawks team is coming up
with new and insane ways to embarrass who whover they're
playing that week.

Speaker 16 (01:17:01):
Well, first off, you're an absolute pro for team me
up for this because you're right, you won't see that
happen twice in a game. You know why because DeMarcus
Loris became the first player at NFL history with multiple
defensive fubble return touchdowns of twenty plus yard Okay, thank you,
thank you okay, And he joined a group of three
other players, one happening in nineteen twenty for just returning
multiple fumbles for touchdowns and may they.

Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
Both came from Tyres Night Like he made the bigger
He was the better player on those I mean they
were both great, but yeah, he made.

Speaker 16 (01:17:28):
The plays shockingly identical or nearly identical to the point
where it happens the first time and you're like, oh, wow,
that's great, and then it happens again and I'm like rewinding,
like did did am I watching the same player that
happened before?

Speaker 23 (01:17:40):
I know?

Speaker 13 (01:17:40):
The score is different. The Seahawks are a monster defensively.

Speaker 16 (01:17:44):
We've talked about this for weeks, but it felt like
this may have been the first game where I watched
the Seahawks take the field with nothing but aggression on
their mind, like we are going to take the fight
to the opponent.

Speaker 13 (01:17:53):
We are going to get after them relentlessly. We're gonna blitz.

Speaker 16 (01:17:56):
We don't care what the repercussions could be if we
don't get home, because we know we're gonna get home,
and they got home plenty. They wrecked the Cardinals offense.
The Seahawks offense continues to be very productive. Before you
knew it, blink and I they're up twenty eight nothing.
At one point in this game, they're up thirty five
to nothing. The Cardinals were buried before they could even
get out of bed, and we basically cruised from there

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forty four to twenty two.

Speaker 13 (01:18:17):
Year final.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
Yeah, I mean in a game where Sam Darnold ends
up losing three turnovers in like a five possessions you
know span and it doesn't matter at all. Like that's
how you know your team is great, because, yeah, that
thirty five nothing, it's not like it took that long
to get there. It's like early second quarter, that midway
that happens. Yeah, it's insane. They had ten quarterback hits

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in the game. They also had ten passes defense, so
they're filling up the stat sheet and they just have
so many different players doing it. Nick em and Worry
looking great And at one point the yardage was two
ten to thirty two. And this is just an answer Shook.
I was unaware that there were some haters, according to
Eric Roberts telling me to our power rankings putting the

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Seahawks number one. Apparently the Seahawks are way lower everywhere else.
And I'd like to just present this game as exhibit
a why the haters can eat it and why I
never hear from the haters anyways.

Speaker 16 (01:19:16):
Yeah, feather in the cap. Look who was right for
at least one week, these two guys.

Speaker 1 (01:19:20):
Yeah, I mean it's the NFL. They play the Rams
next week. What do you what do you think about
the fact that you know, Kyler Murray goes on injured
reserve and would this game been any different? Like it's
a statue of a quarterback back there not the guy
who's going to be able to get away from this
sort of pass rush, Jacoby Brissett.

Speaker 16 (01:19:37):
I mean, there are more statutsu quarterbacks in the NFL,
looking at you, Joe Flacco than Jacoby Brissette. But yes,
he is not a very mobile guy and when he
does try to run, he usually gets hawked down. So
that's a fair point to make. But I think that
against this Seahawks defense, this might sound hyperbolic. That's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
You can call me.

Speaker 13 (01:19:52):
You know, I'm drinking the Seahawks kool aid. I don't care.

Speaker 16 (01:19:54):
They are so good at getting pressure from so many
different angles that I don't care who's playing quarterback back there,
because they're gonna get home, especially, you know, against a
team that's struggling to pick up blitzes like they did.
The first Tyrese Knight Force fumble was five man rush.
The second one was a six man rush. They both
looked identical because that's how good they are at scheme
me up different ways to get after the quarterback. So

(01:20:15):
I don't really think it's quarterback dependent. And I will
give the Cardinals a little bit of credit because.

Speaker 13 (01:20:19):
They did battle in this game. They did find a
way to get some things going.

Speaker 16 (01:20:22):
Jacoby Brissette was feeding Marvin Harrison Junior twelve times three connections,
Harrison looking very visibly frustrated, but they did have a really.

Speaker 13 (01:20:29):
Nice back shoulder fade, so they stayed in the fight.

Speaker 16 (01:20:32):
But ultimately, when you fall behind by that much and
then you allow the Seahawks to call the vast majority
of their plays, I believe it was let's see, I
have the number here.

Speaker 13 (01:20:41):
They called a run.

Speaker 16 (01:20:42):
Play seventy eight percent of the time, like you know what,
the script is gonna be there. It's the third highest
rate in the next.

Speaker 13 (01:20:49):
Gen game in a game in the next gen aras
Wow fixteen.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
Yeah, that's amazing, and you know what, they were pretty
efficient doing it. So before we moved from this game,
just what did you see out of this running game
with ken Walker in Sharbonay.

Speaker 16 (01:21:01):
Some quality blocking but really tackle breaking, whether it was
sharbon Ay or Walker, especially Sharbonay just running through guys.
It seemed like they I don't know if this is
something that's new or that they had an approach they
were focused on this going into this game, but it
felt like they were running with an intent to be
more violent, if that makes sense, even to the point
where George Lani's getting involved and he had seven carries
for thirty one yards, but all of his runs were

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really hard and there was a it was a run
by Sharbonay, a long one where he kind of like
it's basically like you get the block here, you get
the block here, you hit the hole, You're You're through it,
You're through it. Like they're repeatedly hitting the hole with burst,
which is something that they've lacked before.

Speaker 13 (01:21:35):
It Wasn't you know.

Speaker 16 (01:21:36):
It's not like watching Jonathan Taylor run, for example, but
it was really encouraging considering the fact that they've struggled
to run the ball consistently.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Seven and two atop the division, atop the conference. Early
NFC game of the year, although we kind of have
one every week coming up. We also have one on
Monday night join us on YouTube live me and shook
Eagles Packers. That's going to be really fun. But next
week we weirdly buried at a four h five window,
not four twenty five. It's not The national game is

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Seahawks Rams, so really looking forward to that. I am
sure Sam Darnold is gonna have to throw the ball
more than twelve times. What a bizarre stat line, by
the way, two incompletions sixteen yards per attempt. But the
three turnovers too. So weird game. Great game, Seahawks showing
they are an absolute wagon. Let's go to what I

(01:22:24):
felt was one of the dumbest, most fun ridiculous games
of the entire twenty twenty five season.

Speaker 18 (01:22:32):
Hold on, buckle up thirty seven seconds to go twenty
nine to twenty four, Texans trailing third and goal at
the fourteen. Mills shotgun Marks to his left. Two receivers
watchside right. Here's the snap, Davis looking, Davis stepping to
his left, Davis.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
On the run.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
Ten Davis five Davis to the corner. Davis touchdown, go stand.

Speaker 9 (01:22:55):
The Texans take.

Speaker 12 (01:22:56):
The lead on the Mill scramble. Amazing. Dmails gets it done. Damails.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
He stuck his knock out and he got the win,
and he got the over two hundred and twelve passing
yards that I put on game debut. Thank you, Davis Mills.
Mark Vandermir on k I l T. Davis Mills was
the quarterback of an NFL team Shook that outscored their

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opponent on Sunday twenty six to nothing in the fourth quarter.
True or false? True false.

Speaker 13 (01:23:41):
I mean it happened.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
I watched it happen.

Speaker 13 (01:23:43):
Okay, I thought there was a follow up there. I'm
more shocked.

Speaker 16 (01:23:46):
I've never heard your voice go to that range before.
I'm still stunned that you could get there.

Speaker 1 (01:23:50):
I mean, come on, you give me a chance to
make a Mark Vandermir impression. I'm gonna take it. What
happened because I joined late and this this was a
lot of fun.

Speaker 16 (01:24:00):
Okay, So late third quarter, Jack's going on eleven play,
fifty eight yard drive, Eatn finishes off for the touchdown run.
It looks like they've buried the Texans. This game is over.
The Texans defense can't stop them enough to make it
a game. And then the Texans find a way to
move the football. Davis Mills starts throwing it with zero
fear for what might happen, and they get down the
field thirteen plays, sixty five yards, four minutes and seventeen seconds.

(01:24:22):
It's twenty nine to eighteen. Okay, what maybe they're only
down eleven. They have a shot, because that's when the
Texans defense remembered who they were. Three and out, get
the ball back to Davis Mills. Another touchdown, dime of
a pass thrown to Dalton Schultz over two defenders. Three
and out again, give Davis Mills the ball again. It's
third and ten. They're deep inside their own territory. Who

(01:24:42):
does he look for? He breaks the pockety rolls right.
He finds Dalton Schultz on a perfect pass that keeps
that drive going, and in the biggest moment, you heard
it right there, Davis Mills takes off, shows off the
athleticism and gets into the end zone. And by the
end of this game, when the game finally ended with
a Shelton Rankins fumble return for a touchdown, Liam Cohen
was so angry.

Speaker 13 (01:25:04):
He threw his play sheet. He threw his headset. He
tried to walk.

Speaker 16 (01:25:08):
Toward where he'd thrown it, as if he couldn't get
off the field faster if he wanted to. There goes
the headset. If you're watching on YouTube, he ends up
throwing the play sheet. Boom gone. Now he goes to
the belt, drop the ball. I'll throw up the headset.
I might as well start taking clothes off at this point.

Speaker 13 (01:25:21):
That's how upset I am with the way this game went.
And it was all because the Texans their willingness to battle.

Speaker 16 (01:25:27):
Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:25:28):
You saw the assistant that was behind them that immediately
starts picking it up, and then you see Liam see
the assistant picking it up, and then so he goes
and picks up part of the other because he's feeling
bad that he's making his assistant pick it up, and
he was not happy. Let's listen to Liam Cohen after
the game.

Speaker 23 (01:25:48):
The whole message was to squeeze the life out of
these guys in the second half and go take it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
Go take it.

Speaker 23 (01:25:56):
And it's been a frustration for a while now, obviously,
the combination of lack of getting to the quarterback and
when we do finishing it. But it definitely needs to
continue to get evaluated and see who can help us
do those things too.

Speaker 1 (01:26:14):
Yeah, so, yeah, they haven't been getting much of a
pass rush. It's interesting he called that out specifically. In
the end, the Texans almost doubled up the Jags and
yards four twelve to two thirteen. And anytime you outscore
an opponent twenty six to nothing in the fourth quarter,
like that's a candidate for one of the craziest games
of the year. When you do it in this fashion

(01:26:35):
with Davis Mills, you know, running for a touchdown after
you have first and goal at the two yard line
and then you end up at second in goal on
the fourteen yard line because you're just textinging it up
with all these penalties to move you back, and then
Davis Mills runs it in of all things. And then
when that's followed up by just one of the most

(01:26:57):
delightful ways to finish the game of the season, that's
that's where you get into special territory. Let's listen.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
Three man rush.

Speaker 18 (01:27:04):
It appears on first and twenty for the Jags from
their thirty five Lawrence and the gun bunch four nation
left seven seconds to go. Here's the snap to Trevor
Lawrence backing up, stepping up, Lawrence tripped.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Up, the balls out.

Speaker 18 (01:27:17):
The Texans have it across the twenty fifteen ten five touchdown.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
Houston rackins game over.

Speaker 4 (01:27:25):
The Texans win it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Houston comes all the way back to defeat the Jaguars.

Speaker 12 (01:27:35):
The Texans have changed their season around with a traumatic
comeback for the Agents.

Speaker 1 (01:27:42):
I love it and I believe it. They needed this
one to get to four and five. I mean, now
chef's kiss for that to be the final play. But also,
what was Trevor Lawrence doing there again?

Speaker 16 (01:27:53):
What was happening on that trying to break the pocket
and find somebody down to Here's the thing. Two plays prior,
maybe it was a play prior, he actually through a
really good ball to the sideline that would have put
them in cam Little's range.

Speaker 13 (01:28:03):
Gets called back for illegal hands in the face.

Speaker 16 (01:28:05):
The sixth lineman got his hands in the face, and
that was because they couldn't stop the Texans pass rush
in the fourth quarter, daneil Hunter three and a half
sacks tied a career high. He was a big part
of it, so was Will Anderson. So at that point,
Lawrence has nothing left to do but try to find
somebody downfield with the clock essentially expired.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Oh you too, You're too kind to him, And there
you go.

Speaker 13 (01:28:23):
You get the turnover that ends the game.

Speaker 16 (01:28:25):
Although Sheldon Megan's almost got the leon Lett treatment, like
there was a little bit of Don beebe chasing him
down there.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Good thing he got across the goal line, barely got across.
But you're too kind to him. You watched the whole game.
But Trevor Lawrence, that's a play. They're trying to get
to the sideline to get into Cam Little's range. They
have seven seconds left, and obviously at that point after
the penalty, it's a long shot. They're at their own
thirty five. But you get like fifteen yards there, you
give Cam Little a chance. You get ten yards there,

(01:28:51):
you give Cam Little chance. It looked like we were
going to have a Cam Little tempt and you got
to get rid of that ball quickly. And he sees
that the sideline routes are covered you just got to
give your guy a chance. You just gotta throw it.
You just got to throw the ball. And if you
don't throw it to them, you just got to throw
it away to at least set up for one more
final play. The thing you can't do is just kind

(01:29:12):
of freeze and hold the ball. And that's kind of
a Trevor Lawrence type of play, it's all.

Speaker 16 (01:29:16):
And as that play was unfolding, I'm watching the clock
and I'm thinking, even if they completed, their screwed like
they're cooked.

Speaker 13 (01:29:21):
And that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:29:23):
The Texans are four and five, the Jags are five
and four, and yet they feel so different. The Jags,
after they're hot three to zero start, have really come
back to the pack. Even the running game wasn't consistent today,
although it rarely is against the Texans. And the Texans
have the Titans next week, and they have maybe the
best defense in the league, and they're in a conference

(01:29:44):
where maybe the seventh seed could sneak in there, and
they get to five and five, So that really does
feel like, at least for now, a season saving win
for the Texans. Let's move on to a game where
neither team is saving their season, at least not in
this season. But it doesn't mean that we can't have
a little bit of fun.

Speaker 14 (01:30:01):
So Isaiah Williams back deep to receive the punt took Bejorquez,
and once again he'll kick it away from inside his
own twenty yard line, again returnable. Running right with a
flag down, Williams at the twenty six yard line. He
gets loose down the sideline of the fifty cuts him
back left of the forting he's at the thirty. They'll
go all the way ten five.

Speaker 20 (01:30:19):
Touchdown for the Jets with their second consecutive kick return
touchdown Kna Wong Woo for ninety nine yard. So now
Isaiah Williams does the trick for seventy six.

Speaker 1 (01:30:32):
Pretty rare you see two straight return touchdowns, and I
bet it's even rarer if the team that pulls that
off loses the game. At that point, I didn't care
what the score was. I was like, they're going to
win this game one way or another. It was close
to the Jets win twenty seven to twenty. That was
Bob was shoozing on wax Q for clarity. That was
Isaiah Williams on a punt return touchdown and Yeah, Kenny

(01:30:54):
wang Wu had a ninety nine yard kickoff return touchdown
earlier in the first quarters. So on a day shook
where Justin Fields had fifty four passing yards, the Jets
would win pretty comfortably because it was a Browns field
goal late that even made it a one score game.

Speaker 13 (01:31:13):
Yeah, just another research note while I have it up
in front of me.

Speaker 16 (01:31:16):
They beat the Browns today despite having only forty two
net passing yards. It's the fewest passing yards by the
Jets and a win since Week five of nineteen seventy three. Wow,
and that's back when they barely threw the ball. The
forward pass is barely even invented. I'm kidding, of course. Yeah,
this game was really weird because those return touchdowns obviously
revital to your final score, but it was also right

(01:31:37):
after the Browns had led a nine play ninety five
yard touchdown drive that was one of the most impressive
drives I've seen from them all season, especially when it
came to how Dylan Gabriel led that drive instantly within
two returns. The Jets have full command of the momentum
of this game. They're at home and the Browns are
back to square one. Having to try to climb back
into this game, which they ultimately did not do. It
gave the Jets a team that had every reason in

(01:31:59):
the world to lay down and just sleep walk through
this game after they traded away two of their best
players of the deadline and signaled that if it's not
a teardown, we're looking toward the future and not this season. Instead,
they came out and battled. They fought through. At firstly,
they couldn't throw the football, they couldn't get anything going offensively,
so the return game gets involved, then the defenses all
over the Browns quarterbacks and everything else, and then presall

(01:32:22):
finishes it off a complete win, not statistically but visually,
a complete all three phases of the game win for
the Jets.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Yeah, it's interesting. The guy that they didn't trade away
Bresee Hall, and they didn't have a high success rate
by any means, neither running game did. But he ends
up with eighty three yards on the ground because he
did have a big run, and then he has a
forty two yard touchdown catch that you know, comprised almost
all of Justin Field's passing yards for the day. The
second leading receiver for the Jets was Isaiah Williams with

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four yards crazy.

Speaker 16 (01:32:53):
Tied, tied with Mason Taylor one catch four yards, one
yard ahead of John Metchi one catch, three yard.

Speaker 13 (01:33:00):
That's what the whole offense was.

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
Okay, this is the type of loss that I if
Kevin Stefanski is going to be on the hot seat,
if the GM is going to be on the hot seat, Like,
this is the type of loss that would do it.
Losing to the Jets, even if it helps out your,
you know, situation in terms of the draft as a
as a Browns fan. What disappointed you here?

Speaker 21 (01:33:19):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:33:20):
God?

Speaker 13 (01:33:20):
Well, I mean where does start start? Yeah? It was
really the fashion of which this game ended. You know,
you know that the Browns defense is going to keep
them in.

Speaker 16 (01:33:30):
The game and then they're going to eventually run out
of gas in the fourth quarter, which is what happened
on that Breeze Hall screen. But it was the way
that the defense and the game ended. Because the Browns
need one stop, they have all three timeouts, they get
it down outside the two minute warning, they're about to
get the stop, and then there's a holding call on
third and like sixteen on Devin Bush, and then that
gets the Jets a new fresh set of downs, and

(01:33:51):
then they take it to the two minute warning and
the Browns they still have like a timeout or two left,
and then they get another stop and it's fourth and
four and the Browns jump off sides and give them
another fresh set of downs and never get the ball back.
They would have had the ball back with like thirty
or forty seconds at the most, but the fact that
they committed two penalties and two crucial downs and never even.

Speaker 13 (01:34:08):
Saw the football again.

Speaker 16 (01:34:10):
This game to me, and I've been one of those
people that have just said, hey, the Browns are not
playing for this year.

Speaker 13 (01:34:15):
It's very clear.

Speaker 16 (01:34:17):
This was the first time I've seen them lose a
game this year in which I thought I could see
somebody getting fired tomorrow. Now it's probably your special teams
coordinator other than Trone, because of the returns that they've
given up in the miscues that they've had on that
side of the ball. But I could definitely see somebody
losing their job because of how bad they looked at
the end of this game.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
Disappointing and exciting for the Jets. I do think there
is a best case scenario where they win a few
games down the stretch and at least feel like they're
headed in the right direction and it's okay.

Speaker 4 (01:34:46):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
The loss knocks them down to number five in terms
of their pick. In terms of Tankathon, the Browns are
at four. It We're going to have a lot of
Titans and Raiders games, you know, up in Jets and
Brown's households to see who ends up getting that number
one overall pick. We will see. But the Jets win
two straight and the Browns lose coming out of the by.

(01:35:07):
Let's take one last break and then we will get
to Sunday night football fun one Chargers and the steam
It could be fun, even if it's low scoring.

Speaker 19 (01:35:20):
Hopefully Herbert hands to Kimani Kimani into the unisold touchdown
Chargers Chimani byel rewarded for all those hard runs earlier today.

Speaker 1 (01:35:38):
With the score.

Speaker 10 (01:35:42):
And the Chargers are up twenty one to three, he's
getting it done in pass protection, He's getting it done
on the goal line. It's Keimani vy Dell Troy Zone,
Patrick Claiban's favorite player in the NFL, in for a
touchdown to give the Chargers in insurmountable lead in a

(01:36:02):
laugher on Sunday night, the Chargers win. Nick shook twenty
five to ten in the game that Justin Herbert didn't
even have to be superman.

Speaker 1 (01:36:12):
He was just a normal man. And that's because his
defense kept setting him up. And eventually the damn broke
in that running game and the Chargers offense took care
of the rest of it. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:36:24):
What a testament to cohesive defense by the Chargers tonight,
because if you dive into the numbers, it's not like
they were getting after Aaron Rodgers on every play. They
played phenomenal coverage. They largely bottled up the runs save
for a few highlight runs, you know, the Jalen Warren
hurdle being one of them. They just played a complete
game on that side of the football and because of that,
they were able to take a low scoring, some might

(01:36:46):
say boring or unexciting affair and turned into a lopsided victory,
and one that I don't think I saw coming, not
given the fact that you know, they had some offensive
line losses. I thought they were going to struggle like
Daniel Jones and the Colts did against the Steelers a
week earlier.

Speaker 13 (01:37:02):
No, I don't all they got the job done.

Speaker 1 (01:37:04):
Yeah, and it's not like they protected Herbert that well hit.
He got pressured a lot. You know, their starting tackles
in this game were what Pipkins and Austin Decliss. Deckliss
was struggling, but they weren't in third and long too
often they stuck with the run even when it wasn't working.
And you say it's a boring game. I say it

(01:37:24):
could never be boring for any Aaron Rodgers haters to
be watching him have. But perhaps his worst game that
he's ever had in primetime. He looks so old in
this game. Going into that garbage time drive, they'd only
scored three points Nick shook, and those three points came
on a three and out that was set up by

(01:37:46):
a short field. He had a pressure to sack ratio
of all of them for much of the game. It
was like if there was pressure, there was a sack.
He was dirting the ball, he's avoiding pressure. It just
was disgusting. And when you think about the two big
turning points in the first half of this game, the

(01:38:07):
biggest one to me was his interception just before the
two minute warning, when the Steelers are still leading the game,
or they're right there, rather and it's five to three,
and that sets up the Chargers touchdown right before halftime
and then the first Chargers score of the game. Let's
listen to it.

Speaker 19 (01:38:26):
Three on the play clock. Rogers has time climbing in
the pocket. Here comes Khalil Mack in the end zone.
He drops home safety. Oh, raise your hands and put
them together. The Chargers got two points, and what a
way to cement a legacy that only he and Kevin

(01:38:47):
Green have. That is his thirty fifth sack as a Charger,
Ian Green the only two players to do it with
three different franchises.

Speaker 1 (01:38:57):
Ooh, that's a good stat Great job by the way
on both those calls by Matt money Smith. Our friend
Daniel Jeremiah just quiet again on k f I. It
is a reminder Khalil Mack was awesome for an extended
period of time for three different teams. You don't see
that too often. Kevin Green's in the Hall of Fame.
Khalil Mack will join him one day. What did you

(01:39:18):
think about Rogers just being so stymied throughout this game?

Speaker 16 (01:39:25):
I've found I hate that this is the case. I mean,
I mean, if you're an Aaron Rodgers hater, you'll love this.
But it seems like every week Aaron Rodgers is pissed
off as teammates the entire game, and he was very
upset with them for most of this game. And I
think it's a combination of guys aren't getting open, Guys
aren't running the routes, specifically how I want them to
run them. I'm not getting protected long enough to be

(01:39:45):
able to do what I want to do. And I
also think it's him grappling with the idea of father time.
Not to say that he looks exceptionally old, but when
he tries to get mobile unless there's ample space, because
he'll still roll out and flick it, you know, and
get it downfield.

Speaker 13 (01:39:58):
But when he's under duress, it looks bad.

Speaker 2 (01:40:00):
Now.

Speaker 16 (01:40:00):
It did not look bad earlier in his career, and
you know it should look bad for a forty one
year old. It felt like it discombobulated him all night.
He never felt comfortable, and oftentimes guys just weren't open.
Whatever those Steelers are trying to do offensively scheme wise
just wasn't working against this Chargers defense until they scored
a touchdown late in the game. And I think that
that is a repeat case of what we've seen far

(01:40:20):
too often with this team. You can go back to
that game against the Packers in prime time, similar situation
where Rogers again is just frustrated with the outcome and
the fact that he can't do what he wants to do.

Speaker 13 (01:40:29):
So a tough spot for them. They're very up and
down right now.

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Offensively, Yeah, he held the ball longer tonight a little bit,
and he went down the field a few more times,
and he missed a couple shots deep that could have
changed the game. And so when he's trying to make
a play, he wasn't able to make them. And they're
just a limited offense now. The Calvin Austin drop that

(01:40:55):
turned into an interception, that's all obviously on Calvin Austin.
The game's basically over at that point. Ultimately, they had
nine drives shook before you know, those last couple that
I'm talking about in terms of the interception and the
garbage time touchdown. They had four first downs on those
nine drives. I mean, it's just it's not at NFL
offense and Jalen Warren is easily their offense's best player,

(01:41:19):
but DK Metcff has not gotten it on track at
all as a consistent weapon. And you have to give
the Chargers defense credit. Man Jesse Minter and this Chargers defense,
they've been on a journey this season. It's like it
has absolutely been a roller coaster, but you know, getting
some of their best players back, especially Khalil Mack and
then having an extra pass rusher and a dafe oh wait,

(01:41:40):
absolutely helping Derwin James is back to playing well. And
like I mentioned, it wasn't even a great Herbert game,
but three straight weeks, Nick, the Chargers have essentially dominated
like the line, not the line of scrimmage, but dominated
play where they doubled up their opponents the last two
weeks and almost double up them in yardage and definitely

(01:42:01):
double them up in first downs and again until the
garbage time. It was the same tonight. So they've just
like been significantly the better team in three straight games
against the you know, the Vikings, Titans, and Steelers. They
are different. They're not the same old Chargers, considering they
are a Jim Harbrot team. I don't know if they're
gonna win the Super Bowl, but missed me with the
same old Chargers. They're just a tougher team. And the

(01:42:24):
fact that They've come out of a little mini slum
to get the seven and three is really impressive.

Speaker 16 (01:42:28):
Yeah, I'm glad that you brought up the Harball point,
because that's what I was going to say, is that
this team has taken on the identity of its coach.
We saw it, you know, last year, but it's really
carrying over week to week. And the cool thing about
this team that makes makes me frustrated as somebody who's
picking games every week and consistently getting them wrong no
matter who's playing, whether it's the Chargers or any other
team in the NFL. But what frustrates me is the
fact that they do this in different fashions, which should

(01:42:49):
be encouraging two Chargers fans, because you think about the
Vikings game. They were dominant in that game, offensively dominant,
Herbert was on fire. Everything went well for them on
both sides of the ball. The Titans game a little
close for out for it. They'd get the win and everything,
but it wasn't the prettiest win. They lose Joe Alton
that game, so you saw the effect on Herbert.

Speaker 1 (01:43:07):
Touchdowns. Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:43:08):
Fair, But then this game completely different from those last
two games where they leaned on the run stubbornly, and
they played a great game defensively. And I think that
while it makes them difficult to predict how they might
play from week to weekend opponent by opponent, they can
win in different ways. That should be really encouraged.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
You got a quarterback, you got a coach, and you
got a team that's figuring out how to play together.
It's going to give him a chance each and every week.
Whereas Pittsburgh they have a coach, but they're not great situationally,
and they made some adjustments defensively. We'll see how that works.
They are only one game up on the Baltimore Ravens,

(01:43:45):
after that lead was a whole lot bigger four weeks ago.
So they fall to five and four. They still got
two games left to face the Ravens. Also want to
just give a shout out of congratulations to Keenan Allen,
the all time leader in receptions in Chargers history, passing
Antonio Gates. We mentioned it, remember shook back in week

(01:44:07):
one as this could be a possible milestone that he
could reach this season, and after one week we said, wow,
maybe he will be able to do it. Hell, he
did it by week ten, so cool to do it
in primetime. An all time great Charger in a big
part of this team. They lost Aronde, Gatzt and Junior
to an injury at one point in this game. He

(01:44:28):
did not return, so we'll track that during the week.
But obviously a great night for the Los Angeles Chargers,
great night for us, Shook. We will be back check
us out Monday night. We appreciate everyone that's been joining
us live on YouTube and it is a really fun
game Eagles and Packers, so we'll see everyone. Then hit

(01:44:48):
the music, Babona, Let's go. What are we waiting for?
We're home. It's been fun. This was a frisky Week ten.
We learned a lot about myself about the MVP conversation
about what my love language is. But yes, Shookie and
I will be back on YouTube live and check us
out for the Monday night recap.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
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