November 12, 2025 • 47 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue and Patrick Claybon to preview the late game window and primetime Week 11 action from around the NFL starting with the Seahawks at the Rams (01:45) followed by Chiefs at Broncos (11:25), Lions at Eagles on Sunday Night Football (17:21), 49ers at Cardinals (27:45), Ravens at Browns (35:00) and Cowboys at Raiders on Monday Night Football (40:24).
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Welcome back to NFL Daily.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick
Claybond and Jordan rod Reeg, and we're celebrating the day that, yes,
that we can talk about Seahawks, Rams and Eagles, Lions,
and also the day that the penny stopped going into
you know, being produced in this United States of America.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
This was it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
This was the last day that a penny will ever
be made. I've been on that corner for a while. Actually,
i was in something called Model Congress. I'm a cool guy,
and that was my bill actually back in the mid nineties,
was to abolish the penny.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Back then, and it finally happened.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Was that the news of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That was some news.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I think it's a it's a relic of the past,
but it's one that I'm fun.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It just seemed like a way children find in parking lists.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It just seemed like a waste.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And but it was a terrible strategy to have as
a bill in a exercise like that, because no one,
no one cared.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Everyone's like, yes, whatever the.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Green put it through like the flattener. Yeah, and have
a memento.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
And I think the reason that I will ultimately, you know,
you train kids on model congress and debate because it's
better to do that than to teach them revolutionary history.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Then they might actually be able to change the world
that they live.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
See Part one with Patrick Hamilton's version too. We're actually
gonna have a special extra pod next week which is
a full production of Patrick's Hamilton Pod Theater.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You're ready on the censors for that one.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yes, a great game in the NFC West, the Seattle
Seahawks coming in to get revenge taking on the Los
Angeles Rams, who are three point favorites. The over under
is forty eight and a half. It is Joe Davis
and g Reg on the call. If you're familiar with
my MVP conversation, we have multiple players in this game
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with positive scores.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
A couple of them don't play. Quarterback Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Wow, how does this one play out the second time around?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't know, I I wonder you know? Does it
they get less points though, because it's a four h
five Eastern game.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You can get the standard amount of points.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Like the national audience is watching, Well, this is Broncos Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Time wise, but this is a contender game.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
This is reference to the conversation, Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The conversation where I am tracking my own version of
MVP scoring using judgment from Jordan, Steve and Greg Well.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Sam Darnold and Stafford were our top two picks when
we gave out the awards for half season MVP. And
then certainly Jackson Smith and Jigbo has made a strong
case you believe that Pookah's in the mix or something.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I think I think Pooka does exist.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Within the conversation, Okay has had a positive score last
week as well, and I did ask Greg if you
were providing a positive score to Sam Donald yeah last week,
or did those points go after it?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I went back and rewatched that game. I'm giving him
a positive score.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So Donald has the positive score and JSN, who continues
to lead the league, has.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
This positive So we've obviously talked about all the things
that have come out of the heavy personnel and throwing
out of heavy personnel and everything with both of these teams,
and so it's going to be interesting to see how
the defenses respond. And I think this matchup in particular
since they well know that's how they're winning and this
is how we're winning, and this is how we stop it.
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It'll be really interesting for them how are they going
to combat it and what the rest of the league does,
because I do think when we look back on this season,
this is going to be kind of the dominant storyline,
not just this game and these type but these types of offenses.
I think about that year when it was New England
with the one word play call playing super fast in
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Aaron Hernanez, and I think of the year where it's
Jared Goff and Dick Fangio, you know, and Fangio. And
I also think of the year, you know, with that
incredible Monday night game Chiefs, you know, and Jared Goff
all that like this trend and these two teams are
kind of at the very forefront of it, and they
have defenses which on paper should be able to at
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least give problems.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To the offenses.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yes, and I'm so glad that you brought that up,
because first of all, this this is a game of
poetic proportion, honestly, because it has that potential. Whether or
not it meets it, fine, but we are going to
learn things about offense and about defense from this game
that will have a ripple effect across the league. Whether
we see it immediately or not, we just will the
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caliber and quality of the entire team that Mike McDonald
has built up in Seattle, including finding a coordinator who
is able to run almost the inverse of what his
defense is good at defending, and also what Sean McVay
and Chrishula and company have built in Los Angeles on
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offensive defense, again almost inverses of each other, but aligned
by the same principles. And I think that Seattle is
perfectly perfectly built to defend both of the personnel groupings
that the Rams prefer to use. That's eleven personnel, three receivers,
one tight end and thirteen personnel, which is three tight
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ends one receiver. And part of this is because they
have a player who I think is one of the
most important players of this game, who has had some
learning moments this year, but when he's been healthy and
return from the early season injury, Nick Ammin Warri is
an absolute hinge player for this game. If you'll indulge me, yes, always,
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the Rams want to make everything look the same a
pre snap out of both eleven personnel and thirteen personnel,
and they want you to have to guess whether it's
run or pass, no matter whether they're in the lighter
personnel or the heavier personnel, so that freezes you as
a defense if you want to adjust to play heavier
in the back seven on defense, they are typically athletic
enough in either of those preferred personnels to run past you.
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And if you want to go lighter nickel to get
more speed on the field against the lighter speed personnels,
they can run the ball out of eleven personnel, or
they can sub into thirteen to get bigger against you.
So Nick and mcwara becomes a key figure, even as
a rookie safety, who is a perfect match for this
defense because you can leave them in as a third safety,
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a second inside linebacker, or a match slot defender, especially
against thirteen personnel passing. He's big enough to defend the run,
he's fast enough to cover and big enough to cover
tight ends, but fast enough to also cover smaller, faster receivers.
And this is first of all, in part why Seattle
keeps him on the field for almost every snap since
he returned from injury, because he is their.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Queen chess piece on the.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Field who allows them to be just as multiple as
the offense that they are seeing on the other side.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It also commands the rest of the defense to play
up to their potential, which is significant, perhaps the best
in the league right now.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, in terms of the way I'm doing this because
throwing out a heavy personnel in comparing the two teams,
the Rams will still be able to run. I don't
trust the Seahawks run game at this point, and I'm
not exactly sure that Seattle does here, And like the
way that this kind of trend will be emulated around
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the league, Like you don't have the pieces to do
it at this level where there's not the way that
Donald's playing and the way JSN is playing, and the
way Stafford's playing with Davante right now, especially in the
red zone, and what Puka could do. There's ways you
can to go out there and do similar stuff. But
I think what makes this game so interesting is the
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different ways that the best pieces play despite the way,
because I think the Rams could like zig at the
zag opportunity here and it's like, oh, throw it on
a heavy personnel. It's gonna be a whole lot of
Blakecorum as well as Karen in this game where Seattle
will be out of that, and it's putting a lot
of pressure on saying.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think last week might have been a turning point
for the Seahawks running game. We'll see, it wasn't an
easy matchup. The Cardinals are a top ten defense in
terms of DVOA and they had a thirteen play drive
towards the end of that game that was I mean,
it was incredible. They just didn't they didn't let Sam
darnoald pass the ball. Was the highest run pass ratio
of any team in any game all season. Now that
was because of the score, but the crazy thing is
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they were successful throughout the course of the game. It
was easily their best running performance of the year. And
so can that continue against the defense which has really
improved in terms of stopping the run. You're right that
that's like kind of the one weakness of these teams
for the most part this season has been the running game.
But the Seahawks will be without was is it Jake
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Sundell their center, and that's a big deal for them.
Who's gonna miss like two to three weeks. So Olua
Timmy comes in and he had some snap problems last
week with Darnold and so that's gonna be tricky for them.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
On the other side, it's just how much can the
Seahawks speed up Matthew Stafford because his numbers against pressure
this year are not great. He is just getting rid
of the ball so quickly because he's preserving himself. And
this is a defense that has six different players between
twenty three and thirty six pressures. It's like you don't
know where the pressure is going to come from. And
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if they can just dominate that matchup Seattle, I think
they win this game. They are the number one team
in DVA by a decent amount, but the Rams are
number two, so they are the best two teams, I believe,
just iteest wise, and the numbers will tell you right now.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I'm so excited for this game. I'm excited that Greg
Olsen's on the call because we're all going to learn
something out of this game as well.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
This is also we can't forget.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Sam Donald really wants and has worked for a better
passing performance against this almost exact defensive front because the
last time that Sam Donald on a different team played
this almost exact defensive front. Now with the addition of
Punaford to help them, stop the run. They got to
him and were relentless, and he probably had one of
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his worst games and then was chased by that narrative
all season since. Has more than shaken off that negative
narrative that was attached to him after that game. But
he really wants I think he really wants to go
out and show his work.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I think this is.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
The most fun offense to come out of the QBAC
system in a while. I'm so excited for this game.
This is this is my pick. I'm the number one pick,
and I am so glad it worked out this way.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
This is absolutely my pick.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I feel like that could be a drop. I'm the
number one pick. Now. These two teams I do face
off again in Seattle on Thursday Night Football in Week sixteen,
So this is gonna These two games I think will
really help tell the story, not just have the MVP conversation,
but of potentially the number one seed in the NFC.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
San Clemente High School the Tritons, Sam Darnold coming back
down in California that first we played his college football
as well. Looking forward to that one. We're also looking
forward to the Kansas City chiefs Andy Reid off the
by Jordan rod Rig. It is a thing that is
frequently discussed. They are three and a half point favorites
at the Denver Broncos, who will hope to look better
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on offense. Forty three and a half is the over under.
It's Jim and Tony and Tracy the CBS UNO team.
Is it time for the Broncos to have their big
offensive output against the good Chiefs defense.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I just haven't seen enough consistency from the Broncos offense
over the course of the entire season to to fully
buy it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And it's it's.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Not just Andy Reid coming off of by Steve Spagnolo
coming off of a buye.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I mean, I don't want to draw that straw.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, I think it's nine and three as a coach
of the Chiefs, and then it was really crazy with Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think it was eleven and one something like that.
So yeah, at all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But it's like, but nine and three is a normal
sample size of what Andy Reid has done every season.
Might be lower than his average winning percentage. I do
want to see what they come out with. I'm disappointed
that they didn't trade for Brees Hall. The reporting from
Rich Sumini was that they offered a fourth, so they
wanted him, and the Jets, to their credit, I think
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held firm for a three, like why trade brestall at all?
But definitely why you know, without getting a better draft pick,
and I think they lack a little bit of explosion.
They haven't said the Chiefs if Josh Simmons is going
to start at left tackle. He returned to the team
during the bye week, so I would anticipate that he
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would be playing. And again, we're not in must win territory,
certainly not for the Chiefs, but I think if you
want to win the division, they probably have to win
this game, because if they didn't, they'd be three back
of the Broncos with what seven to play, and then
they'd also have three division losses. There's another tiebreaker you're
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already going to lose. You're not going to win the
team tie breaker. You've already lost to the Chargers, so
at best you're splitting there. This would be a loss
where you at best you're splitting with the Broncos. You
would be two and four in the AFC. At some point,
the numbers just really start to hurt and you're just
aiming moving forward for like a seven seed. This is
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the type of game where you would expect the best
out of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That is what I expect to see.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And good news for them.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Simmons did practice and was a full participant on Wednesday,
So there is that. But there's also a chance for
this Broncos team, which has not just been like inconsistent
total game, it's been inconsistent within plays, but within that inconsistently,
see there is the capacity to get yards and have
completions and score touchdowns where if you're one of those
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I'm sick of the Chiefs, folks like Greg.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Just drew the path for you.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The Broncos could go a huge way to fixing that
issue right here in week eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Wait, and if you don't want everyone to be so
hard on Bonnicks and everyone's like, oh everyone, you know
that the Broncos fans, well stop booing the hell out
of them, you know. I unless they're booing Sean Payton
and the play calling, I don't know who they're doing.
They're just booing because because they like gang.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Warm, you know, the only way to do it.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, you guys mentioned Josh Simmons returning. What a front
to do that against right Nick.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
To a Knicks throw.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, we're watching something.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I didn't even turn to the left here. Uh oh,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, please check us out, like subscribe.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Tough tough look on a screen on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, the weather was rough that night against the Broncos,
I mean against the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Sort of blocked that game from my memory. We got
we got some real Al Michael nihilism in that game.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, I mean, I was gonna say no comment, But
why do I need to say no comment. I Owl's
been great, I like, but I want more energy out
of that booth.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I love when he goes pull on dark Al.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know he needs to get a little more energy
from the guy next to him.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Hmmm, Well, he could be inspired. They could be inspired.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I'm trying to get it back to the Broncos front somehow.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Now it's it's one of the.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Best defenses still with or without Patricks, uertain on the
on the field, one of the best defenses in football,
and it starts up front with Nick Benito and Jonathan
Cooper and how much they're pressuring the quarterback. They're affecting
the quarterback at both within the top five of pressure
rates in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It is just tough to get anything done against them.
This is a lot of potential for uncomfortable Patrick Mahomes,
who still makes magic happen even despite some of that discomfort.
It would so help the Chiefs if they could just
run the ball and take some of the tea eat out.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Of that front.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Green Laws really helped their defense so that they lose
their tan. But green Law coming back from his injury,
he's looked fantastic. I guess I wasn't just counting on that,
considering the scope of how serious that injury was. And
we've talked about like the Chiefs are back. We've said
that a lot, and I think it's true. I think
it was a matchup thing against the Bills. Well, this
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is a great showcase to prove it. It's not going
to get any harder than playing in Denver.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
But I think the Bills put some stuff on tape
where personnel wise, the Moncos can do every bit of
what Buffalo did to that Bill's offens I mean to
the Chiefs offense and crowd the line of Scrimmant keep
the short and quick stuff away from Mahomes and forced
the Chiefs to show those receivers getting open deep.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
That market locally is on Chris Jones watch. Now.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm not participating. I'm just noticing that's a part of
that conversation in that market, that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
He's not playing well enough.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Just just some people just asking some questions about his play.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And you know, I feel like he was playing well
before the buy at least.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
I mean, I'm not going to be the person who
is one of the best defensive tackles that we've seen.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
There were ten other people on the field when Trevor
im back.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing the conversation, that's all.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And that's what we do.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
We take note of discussions that are being had as
they pertain to football. It's time for the Sunday Drive
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Sunday Night Football with their new exciting play caller taking
on the Philadelphia Eagles fresh off of the win on
Monday Night Football. It is the Birds by two and
a half. Mike Turico and Chris Collinsworth on the call. Greg,
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there's been I'll leave you to one particular discussion that
I know you're excited to have okay, but Dan Campbell
likes calling football plays this defense significantly better than the
one he call plays against last week.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's true, It'll be a much bigger test.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he said him self up it was like
throwing an alley oop off off the backboard to himself
and he delivered. And now you got to play a
defense with drastically improved four man pass rush where they
don't have to send pressure. So that's more of what
Vic Vangio wants to do. They might even get Jacry
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and Bennett. I don't know how big of a factor
that will be, but will they play him over a
Dori Jackson? JayR Alexander retired since we last talked, and
I don't think we detailed that on the show at
any point, and that that's too bad for the Eagles
and for JayR, who just wasn't wasn't feeling it, and
I think he surprised the Eagles. According to Nick Sirianni,
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but this is such a like a fascinating matchup because
they're obviously both Super Bowl contenders. There have been two
of the best teams in the NFC now for a
couple of years in a row. It's six and three
versus seven and two, and yet I think compared to
last year, they're both still searching for like that mythical
like peak performance, and it's it's gonna be tough to
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reach it. Nick Sirianni, especially on offense, is getting a
little tired with the questions that are that are coming
up about his star receiver.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Is the third time after a victory where Aja, either
social media or in this case on livestream has sort
of voiced his displeasure.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is it at all becoming a distraction?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
No?
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I don't think so. And you can only go from
your interactions with with everybody and the way they go
about their work on a daily basis that you guys
don't can be able that you guys aren't able to see.
But you know, no, it's business as usual.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
You say it was kind of business as usual with AJ.
I mean his latest comment, I mean it seems like
it's not business as usual. Like how do you kind
of reconcile that with him?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, guys, I'm I'm close to being done answering these
questions with us.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
The comments that he's referring to were during a November eleventh,
that's Tuesday night Twitch Live stream with streamer Jankie Rondo.
I love that USA today is just you know, quoting
the streamer Jankie Rondo, where he asked, like, is everything
good to aj? Aj was on the stream he said, no,
where you've been, it's a it's a bleep show.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Uh you know, are you paying attention?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
That the more concerning part for me, Patrick, And you've
got your your face covered you you have frustrations. I
was earlier in the live stream he said everyone that
owns him in fantasy should cut him. And I just
want to say, don't don't listen to AJ Brown's fantasy advice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
What is frustrating you about this? Patrick?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
A year ago.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
They asked AJ Brown what the Eagles needed to work
on yep, and he said passing. And since then, everything
Aj Brown has said or done, even on the sideline
where he's holding a book, has become some sort of
news that's worthy of discussion. The Philadelphia Eagles, in case
people don't remember, won the Super Bowl. They blew out
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the Kansas City Chiefs, who were trying to win multiple
Super Bowls in a row, including one against them, and
they blew them.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Out so long ago. Pat Jalen hurts was on.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
The sideline begging Nick Sirianni to go in and score
more points against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was a
fourth and six on Monday Night Football with thirty three
seconds ago, and Nick Ariana inexplicably decided to.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Yeah, and we're talking about AJ Brown on a stream
with Jankie. What are we doing as a society. This
is so dumb and vapid and empty. It does not
matter they won the Super Bowl. We're talking about distractions.
Hoisting a trophy is apparently the distraction. He doesn't make
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any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, just for clarity, I think he goes more by Rondo,
not Jankie, but the full name Yankie.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Rondo, Yanky Rondo, but the rough late stage Celtics Rondo.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I hope not because he was never Yanky.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I only take from all of this is that that
moment where Nick Sirianni blinks very hard. If you ever
wondered what Greg faces, that is Greg face? Okay, just
the feeling you got from watching them, like what are.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Y'all trying to do?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I don't understand, Like, what's what's the extra insight unless
you're just trying to be smarmy and create this thing
where it's like every we have to highlight and get
the microscope out on every AJ Brown interaction. Yeah, he
would like to catch the ball and get yards, but
they won the game.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, it's it's like a cross section of things. Everything
you're saying is true. I mean, the Super Bowl. Who
can remember that it was all the way back in February.
They don't have recording, fat or anything. But it is
a fascinating prop that I think helps to show how
complicated football is. And no matter how many times we
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talk about it, there is something lacking with this regular
season Philadelphia Eagles offense that, despite having all the talent
in the world, Nick Sirianni, and to your point, I agree,
more focus should just be on what is he doing
with some of these decisions. To that point, they gave
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Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown and Dallas s Godter and
Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailatta and Jalen Hurts and Devonte
Smith top of the market money landon Dickerson. Many of
those guys will be in the Hall of Fame someday,
and they are making the choice on about a quarter
of their third downs to just give up. Let's just
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run the ball on third and twelve. Let's like not,
let's literally not even try. And I don't even know
why or what that like. There's just something so strange
about why it doesn't that it is fascinating, And.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
That would be a great question to ask Nick Sirianni
instead of asking them the same exact question after we
already answered it. Regarding somebody's performance on jenky Rondo's twitch stream,
you want to talk about the.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Matchup, I wonder, Actually I was curious about that because
sometimes play Colors they sequence plays together in packages and groupings. Now,
I don't think it is ever great to be so
predictable on third and very long that you're going to
run the ball as frequently.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
As they do.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But you could also if Devil's advocate, you could also
be sequencing it with a fourth down play.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But they never get to that fourth down exactly, so unsuccessful.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
One of the times was in the red zone last week.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Right, So again, this is part of the problem is
banging your head over and over again. This is the
Eagles team in a nutshell, banging your head on the
same topic over and over and over again and expecting
different results. It's the same problems every year, whether it's
in the past game and that's not working effectively, or
it's to play calling, or it's it's the run game.
You know. I think that this this is right for
the Lions, who first of all, I want to see
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both of these offenses reach their actual potential, and I
don't think I think we've seen it in fits and
starts with both of these teams, but they have so
much potential and I would like to see both offenses
reach that. I think that the Eagles defense is very
close to reaching its full potential, certainly after what they
look like last week. And I think that the Lions
have reached on defense their full potential, and they are
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they This is a defense that has the ability to
roll and potentially even capitalize in a very interesting and
cool way against first of all, the run game and
forced Jalen Hurts to pass the ball because the Lions
defense is not missing tackles. They're not missing tackles, and
what they're trying to do with Saquon Barkley is get
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them into space and set up mismatches for him.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I saw this season.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
I'm seeing for all of his his great qualities as
a top running back. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon
Barkley TFLs. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley brought
down on first contact, and yes, he still is capable
of these great explosive plays. We want to see the
passing game get fixed. The Lions defense may help us
out in this, in this effort of wanting to see
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them pass the ball to a lot of different guys more.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, because they're not one hundred percent healthy. That is
the biggest problem with the Lions right now. Kirby Joseph's
still out of practice. Terry On Arnold suffered at concussion
last week. He is not practicing on Wednesday. Generally, that
means you're out for the game if you're not practicing
on Wednesday after a concussion. I'm sure Ian Hutchinson is
I would assumes playing. He didn't practice because of an
elbow injury. So we don't know if Kirby Joseph is returning.
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I don't know if I mentioned that or not. So
that's in the secondary. Unfortunately, they could be a little
short handed, and it is strength versus strength. Jalen Hurts
versus man coverage is awesome. Lions very good in man
coverage and then you know Jared Goff. We talk about
it pretty much every big game, like second in the
league EPA per play clean twentieth against pressure. Can they
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get that pressure with the four man pass rush? It'll
be fast, Yah, believe they can.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And will Dan Campbell have his glasses on? These are
the questions we should be asking every local market.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, hopefully they got to Lane Johnson and his status
before they asked the fifteenth question about aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Right, because that injury looked like it was going to
knock him out for weeks. But Lane Johnson isn't messing around.
They are no longer, by the way, allowing Jalen Carter
to take any plays off defense. Just about the only
defensive tackle in the league who just plays every single snap.
Looking forward to that Sunday Night football, We're gonna have
to zoom through our Sunday show that can watch some
Eagles and Lions. Let's take one final break. We have
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a trio of games to wrap up our Week eleven slate.
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Back on NFL Daily, we're hitting the home streat. You
know if it's it, it's an eight hundred meters dash.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
We we just hit that. We just hit the corner.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Patrick doing his part to break up the monotony.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Sorry everybody, Yeah, how are we doing? Eric?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I forgot to throw it to a Dan Campbell sound
during the last break.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Never apologize, Patrick, You I love when you rant.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
It's the best.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
We're pretty deep into this show. How has it been
too monotonous?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Eric?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
How are we doing?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You get Patrick screaming about stuff?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Great, that's too many screams, indexing too highly on screams.
So I was going to base everything out and go
to a very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Kyle Shuden started.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Who's forty nine ers are a three point favorite. We
still don't know. Wow with a quarterback, it's going to
be in perpetually a question mark. At the Arizona Cardinals,
where we do know it's Jacoby Brissett, Kevin Coogler and
Darryl Moose Johnston on the call, Jordan rod rig another
chance for the Cardinals to look good and lose.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Ah, I think you've said it all Patrick now.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I mean, it's going to be tough to deal this
with this offense coming off of what just happened to them,
and poor Jacoby Brissette. Seattle came after him right away,
obviously turned the ball over a couple of times. And
now they're also going to be without Marvin Harrison Junior,
who very surprising news on Wednesday. He's out because he
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had to have appendix surgery. So definitely not going to
be on the field this week.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, it sounds like that's at least going to be
a one week absence for Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So like that's the bad news.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
The good news is his father won't have to watch
their offense this week. He can just go go golfing
or something. Jay Jones also tore his achilles last week,
so feel really bad for Zay Jones. And he added
some depth to that group two. And in the end,
like ownership, I don't think is gonna give Gannon a
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huge pass for all the reasons why this is happening,
Like he needs to make this work.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
They're zero to three in the division.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
For instance, we were talking about division record, like if
you can't beat the forty nine ers at home, it's
a brutal division. But you were kind of hired as
the defensive guy who could help solve the offenses. And
they all have similarities in this division. If you can't
be that guy, what are you doing here? And Brock
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Purdy is planning to have quote an aggressive practice with
the goal of starting Sunday according to Kyle Shanny.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, always notoriously tells the truth, but it's true.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I mean, why would add in quarterback he's had the
hopes of starting Sunday every single week?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I don't think so though, based on how Kyle's presented it.
By Wednesday, they've kind of indicated that it's probably going
to be mac Jones, whereas that quote would indicate it's
probably going to be Rock Purty, or at least that's
their hope this week that we could see the return
of Brock Purty, and Uh, I for one, I'm looking
forward to I kind of like, you know, okay, here's
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I think you want to see. Here's the thing. It's
almost like Drake May's season. It's what happened to mac
Jones over the last seven ory weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
It's not gonna any better than that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Let's just let's just take him out with a couple
of innings to spare and bring in Rokie, you know
what I mean, Like he's getting tired. It's only going
to get worse from here for mac Jones. So let's
put in Rock Purty before it all goes to hell.
And uh, they're still right in they have a great
schedule to make the playoffs. I think the forty nine
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ers still have a better chance to make the playoffs
than maybe the average person.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
One of the big things that could really be conjoined
with Rock Purty's return is also getting Ricky Piersoll back.
He's expected to practice this week, and that's huge because
he looked like an absolute number one receiver when he
was healthy. They were poised to make him that all
through training camp, his rapport with Brock Purty and this
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offense with George Kittle doing remarkable things last week, and
them still losing because they just are so injured everywhere
and including on their defense, which is just the walking
wounded at this point. They need to score points. They
need to create explosive plays, to stay in their A
plus game plan the entire game as long as they can,
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and keep a lead as long as they can in
a game and try to avoid a having to play
from behind and be putting too much on the shoulders
of this defense that is so in battled at this point,
and having your a number one explosive playmaker like Ricky
piersoll back with the quarterback who worked all spring and
summer and fall with him, that would go a long
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way for this forty nine.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Ers team, a long way to I think, give perhaps
more opportunities to Brian Robinson jor Hey in the run game,
not to necessarily take carries away from CMC, but to
deploy CMC more where you would like to deploy him
in the passing gaming.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And give him a break in the run game.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Because we see, we see the explosiveness that Christian can
provide where I I don't necessarily think it's it's close
in this one. I would have the forty nine Ers
easily in a game where they can get the seven
and four, and you know, kind of have the Cardinals
where I think maybe they should.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I think this is a good Cardinals defense still, and
I think Jacoby against a team that doesn't really have
much of a pass rush, has a shot. So I
would expect another one of those close Cardinals games. Is
it is surprising to me neither of these teams run
the ball well. I mean that the Cardinals are down
to twenty eighth in DVOA in terms of running, but
the forty nine Ers are much better.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
They need a really big game from guys like Tatum Bethune,
for example, because this is going to be all Trey
McBride through the middle of the field all day.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
For Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
So up to and Stout really love him as a player.
He is too small of a human to be defending
a tight end in the slot, and so you really
need a big game from your inside linebackers and support
safeties and all of that against Trey McBride. This could
be a I don't do fantasy football. This could be
a big Tray McBride.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Fantasy game and still the San Francisco forty nine ers win.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
At those point, they all are. Drey McBride has had
five touchdowns in four games. Which with Kobe Brissette in
the previous twenty one game. Yeah, with Kyler Murray.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
He's been posting about him in his Instagram story also
which trope alert. I know, but like you know, when
Jacoby was named the starter, there's a post of him
lifting him up after they scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
He's very productive.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Speaking of you know, fantasy that Pierce I was available
in my local ten year old oh kids league. So
I mean just take a look. Maybe someone snoozed and
let go of him to her.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Do you want to change how you present that information?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean people, people get it.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
The Baltimore Ravens are seven and a half point favorites
against Dylan Gabriel Bernow and the Cleveland Browns. The over
unders thirty nine and a half. Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis,
and Jason mccordy. They're on the call, Greg Rosenthal, Yes,
is this the final start for Dylan game?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I saw Stefanski was like, Dylan knows he's got to
be more accurate and hit some of those throws that
were there.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Just you're getting mad about uh Nick Sirianni trying to
throw people off the scent or answering questions about something
that doesn't matter. Yes, Dylan Gabriel is not a good
NFL starting quarterback. I don't think it matters who is
starting at quarterback for this team. You might as well
see sir at some point whatever. This offensive line is
truly terrible. These two tackles are worse at playing tackle,
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I think, and that includes unfortunately Conklin who's been around
a long time. Then Dylan Gabriel is at playing quarterback.
This was the most expensive offense in the NFL last year.
They are paying Wyatt Teller and Buttonio and Djoku money
big money into next year. That's already dead money, assuming
they're not even going to be back on the team
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because of Watson and everything.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But this, this is what Andrew.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Berry has rot and I feel like he's gotten such
a pass and I do think these are the final
days of Kevin Stefanski. When Dan Orlovsky was on ESPN,
saying that he thinks Stefanski would be a good choice
for Jackson Dart and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I mean, alarm bell started going off for me.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm like, oh, like, I don't know what's going on here,
what agent or who's pushing different agendas, But I do
think conventional wisdom is now on the side of like,
Stefanski is not gonna survive this season.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
For the Browns, wasn't a lot of room on that
raft when the Titanic went down.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know, Jimmy Haslm, their owner, said before the season
three and fourteen, isn't gonna work. So he literally is
on the record of like what would be a bad record,
And that's like what they're on paced for.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
But so many decisions are directly linked to his decision.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And it's something we talked about with Chris Breer.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Where you get a job, you get a great job,
whether it's writing at the Athletic, whether it's being on
the NFL network, working for NFL Media.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Where your job is to keep your job.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And if the big boss says I would like to
do this, and then you do this, it seems weird
for the big boss to be like, ah, you did this.
You're fired where now it would be weird for the
Big Boss to do that, but the Big Boss is
the Big Boss, so they could do whatever they're.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The craziest with this game is that this is the
sixth straight matchup that the Browns have had a different
quarterback against the Ravens. It's just that is that is insane.
Let's talk Ravens very quickly before we moved on from
this car.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Did mispractice to start the week with the sore knee? Yes,
something small to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Harbaugh said he expects him back on Thursday, and then
he expects he'll play, although we did hear similar ish
things when he was struggling through an injury previously this year.
I do think Lamar's, you know, the way that the
integrate him running the ball. He's running the ball less
than he's ever run the ball. And so I've got
a fever and the only prescription for it is more
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Keaton Mitchell. Oh my god, that's that's what can help
solve this Raven's running game.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
If Lamar is not going to run again.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Only did the accent feel like you can pull it off?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I don't need to just give me some more Keaton Mitchell.
That kid looks awesome.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Yeah, last last two games at least seven point four
a lot of his last three games seven point four
yards per carrying ten yards per carry for Keaton Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And there was Justice Hill only had one carry last week.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
It was the touchdown that he got where I don't
know what what.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Happened there to get like gold Line back Justice Hill.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
But they're not all the way back and this matchup
could point that out because they're like, that's why you
need Keaton Mitchell. I think it is because their guards
aren't that good and Derrick Henry needs a little lane
to go through. Keaton Mitchell is explosive enough that you
might just get him creating plays on his own or
you know, making getting through a hole quicker than a
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Derrek Henry would. Rashad batemans hurt. He has an ankle
sprain that might keep him out this week. Isaiah likely
has I mean no production this year, neither is Bateman.
Like they are all the way back, and I think
this will be an interesting matchup to watch, at least
when the Ravens have that's.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It interesting they get they get in the end zone.
A couple of times.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Here's here's one thing, fourth and one, Mark Andrews under
center in the push formation.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I would like to see that for the remainder.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yes, the opportunity, the options out of it. Tossing it
to Lamar you still got passing options there. You sneak
it with Mark Andrews. Considering the way things have gone
on fourth and one earlier in the season, I would
like it every time.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What if we're back it's the playoffs. It's like, uh,
it's the moment of the season against the Bills, right
against the Bills. Little Mark Andrews redemption. Would I'd be
a little worried though, like I would.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Be in tears before the play, before the play. We'll
have a chance to see it. We also have a
chance to remember the Dallas Cowboys exist. Isn't it fun
when people take a break and they come back and
it's like, oh, ye, here you are an opportunity to
see the Cowboys in prime time once again. Monday Night Football,
Dallas three and a half point favorite Jordan against the
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resurgence Las Vegas Raiders. They've got healthy Brock powers and
they're moving the ball now occasionally those really good defense
last week.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
How do you see this?
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, I think ever since Brock Bauers came back.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
It's amazing what having one of the best players in
the entire NFL can do for your offense and for
your quarterback, to get your quarterback back on track. Also,
Chip Kelly, your favorite coach in the entire world. Patrick
showing a little bit of flexibility and getting pointedly mentioned
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by Pete Carroll and seemingly every press conference at this point.
We'll see if that continues. I have loved this Dallas
offense all season. I still love this Dallas offense. What
I'm really really interested in. And they've been through the
worst couple of weeks as a group, and that you
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can imagine. And I am glad that somebody with the
I think emotional intelligence that Brian Schottenheimer has is leading
this group through the tragedy of Marshaw Neeland's passing. And
I'm not going to sit here and do the thing
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that sports does where it's like, you know, turn it
into this or that or whatever in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I am curious to.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
See how this Cowboys ebafulu sled defense adjusts from the
absolute fiasco that they were earlier in the season and overall,
I know this is going to be an incredibly emotional
game for every Dallas Cowboys coach, player, support staff, front
office member. My heart goes out to him, and like
I said, I'm glad Brian Schottenheimer is the one in
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charge over there.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I think that's well said.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I think that's one of the most impressive things about
Schottenheimer and why I thought he could be the right
guy to lead this team in general, beyond you know,
the offense, which which has had its moments, although you know,
struggled a little bit the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I do struggle with that because they're going to put
a lot onto this game and it is going to
be emotional to be out there for the first time,
like without without marsh on neland especially the way that
they've happened. But I have been I guess impressed is
the wrong word, but just heartened to like hear how
openly so many of the different players have spoken about
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it and have spoken about mental health.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I thought Michael Parsons's.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Ex teammate was was beautiful on that too. And Yeah,
it's it's one of those games that like it doesn't
feel like it's gonna like have a big impact on
the playoff race or anything like that. And yet I
think it's gonna be like really meaningful for these young
men and the older you know men and women that
are in the organization too, to just have a moment
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together and they've been back together. It's such you know,
strange timing too, because it was when the team was
all apart from them, and so they've been back together
this week and they've spoken a lot about that.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, we see teams and players deal with personal loss
all the time, and that's the thing when you you
suffer a big loss and you take a second away
and you notice the world is still spinning and everybody's
going about their business. But now they're all doing it
together and they have to work through that with all
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the people who are experiencing that, and I think like we.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Subtract that element.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
We talk about all these things that don't matter and distractions,
like this is one where it's going to be on
everybody's mind and an opportunity for them to see how
they perform in the game at work where you kind
of take a step back and think of the perspective
is like this is all this stuff doesn't really matter
(44:42):
in comparison to that. But but yeah, you guys mentioned
with Seaten Humber, and I think what this group of
veterans that's gone through a lot, a lot of guys
that have seen a lot of coaches, seen a lot
of turnover. They've they've had great games, They've they've also
had horrible games.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
And you know, the matchup to get get back.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To football is a winnable one, an exceedingly winnable one
against the Raiders team that also hasn't lived up to
the expectation that we have.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I mean think about Dak Prescott too that Yeah, he
dealt with it too on a personal level. And yeah,
before we leave, it does occur to me. I read
this book this year called it's called Things in Nature
Merely Grow. It's by Ye Young Lee, who's one of
my favorite novelists, I would say the last like ten years.
And she lost her sons to suicide, which is a
(45:30):
crazy thing to happen to a parent. Anyways, it I'll
just say that if even three people or one person
out here listening is interested in that, it's like nominated
for a National Book Award.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
I believe it.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's like a finalist right now. But it reframed how
I think about suicide in general, as someone that is
living on past.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
The people that you love.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So obviously it's more than football, Raiders and Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
But we will be watching on Monday night. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
We got to the end of the week eleven slate. Here,
we did it. We are past the halfway point.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
We've made it.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
I was I was wondering, should I should I create
a graphical representation boring for the conversation guys.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I think so for people to track love on Blue.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Sky, maybe I'll make it like a red account and
on the NFL Daily pods up Reddit.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And who is leading right now? I mean that's you're
holding out from us.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
No, it's Stafford.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Okay, I feel like I said that it's Stafford far
and away because he gets his lifetime achievement points. But
he's got he's got some folks chasing, including the guy
that they traded to get, Matthew Stafford and one mister
golf mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
We'll be watching and poetry my friends will.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Be publishing too, because that's what we do here at
NFL Daily we put out shows and the next show
that you will hear will be a Thursday night recap
little Jets and Jets and Patriots, and you know, Shookie
and I we come up with something a little extra,
a little Land yap to throw.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
In there as well, just makes it a little special.
We will see you then. Appreciate y'all.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
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Welcome back to NFL Daily.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I'm here in the Chris Westling podcast studio with Patrick
Claybond and Jordan rod Reeg, and we're celebrating the day that, yes,
that we can talk about Seahawks, Rams and Eagles, Lions,
and also the day that the penny stopped going into
you know, being produced in this United States of America.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
This was it.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
This was the last day that a penny will ever
be made. I've been on that corner for a while. Actually,
i was in something called Model Congress. I'm a cool guy,
and that was my bill actually back in the mid nineties,
was to abolish the penny.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Back then, and it finally happened.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
Was that the news of the day.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
That was some news.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Yeah, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
I think it's a it's a relic of the past,
but it's one that I'm fun.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It just seemed like a way children find in parking lists.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It just seemed like a waste.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
And but it was a terrible strategy to have as
a bill in a exercise like that, because no one,
no one cared.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Everyone's like, yes, whatever the.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Green put it through like the flattener. Yeah, and have
a memento.
Speaker 5 (01:17):
And I think the reason that I will ultimately, you know,
you train kids on model congress and debate because it's
better to do that than to teach them revolutionary history.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Then they might actually be able to change the world
that they live.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
See Part one with Patrick Hamilton's version too. We're actually
gonna have a special extra pod next week which is
a full production of Patrick's Hamilton Pod Theater.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
You're ready on the censors for that one.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Yes, a great game in the NFC West, the Seattle
Seahawks coming in to get revenge taking on the Los
Angeles Rams, who are three point favorites. The over under
is forty eight and a half. It is Joe Davis
and g Reg on the call. If you're familiar with
my MVP conversation, we have multiple players in this game
(02:09):
with positive scores.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
A couple of them don't play. Quarterback Greg Rosenthal.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Wow, how does this one play out the second time around?
Speaker 2 (02:18):
I don't know, I I wonder you know? Does it
they get less points though, because it's a four h
five Eastern game.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
You can get the standard amount of points.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Like the national audience is watching, Well, this is Broncos Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
Time wise, but this is a contender game.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
This is reference to the conversation, Yes.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
The conversation where I am tracking my own version of
MVP scoring using judgment from Jordan, Steve and Greg Well.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Sam Darnold and Stafford were our top two picks when
we gave out the awards for half season MVP. And
then certainly Jackson Smith and Jigbo has made a strong
case you believe that Pookah's in the mix or something.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I think I think Pooka does exist.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Within the conversation, Okay has had a positive score last
week as well, and I did ask Greg if you
were providing a positive score to Sam Donald yeah last week,
or did those points go after it?
Speaker 1 (03:14):
I went back and rewatched that game. I'm giving him
a positive score.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
So Donald has the positive score and JSN, who continues
to lead the league, has.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
This positive So we've obviously talked about all the things
that have come out of the heavy personnel and throwing
out of heavy personnel and everything with both of these teams,
and so it's going to be interesting to see how
the defenses respond. And I think this matchup in particular
since they well know that's how they're winning and this
is how we're winning, and this is how we stop it.
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It'll be really interesting for them how are they going
to combat it and what the rest of the league does,
because I do think when we look back on this season,
this is going to be kind of the dominant storyline,
not just this game and these type but these types of offenses.
I think about that year when it was New England
with the one word play call playing super fast in
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Aaron Hernanez, and I think of the year where it's
Jared Goff and Dick Fangio, you know, and Fangio. And
I also think of the year, you know, with that
incredible Monday night game Chiefs, you know, and Jared Goff
all that like this trend and these two teams are
kind of at the very forefront of it, and they
have defenses which on paper should be able to at
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least give problems.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
To the offenses.
Speaker 6 (04:31):
Yes, and I'm so glad that you brought that up,
because first of all, this this is a game of
poetic proportion, honestly, because it has that potential. Whether or
not it meets it, fine, but we are going to
learn things about offense and about defense from this game
that will have a ripple effect across the league. Whether
we see it immediately or not, we just will the
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caliber and quality of the entire team that Mike McDonald
has built up in Seattle, including finding a coordinator who
is able to run almost the inverse of what his
defense is good at defending, and also what Sean McVay
and Chrishula and company have built in Los Angeles on
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offensive defense, again almost inverses of each other, but aligned
by the same principles. And I think that Seattle is
perfectly perfectly built to defend both of the personnel groupings
that the Rams prefer to use. That's eleven personnel, three receivers,
one tight end and thirteen personnel, which is three tight
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ends one receiver. And part of this is because they
have a player who I think is one of the
most important players of this game, who has had some
learning moments this year, but when he's been healthy and
return from the early season injury, Nick Ammin Warri is
an absolute hinge player for this game. If you'll indulge me, yes, always,
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the Rams want to make everything look the same a
pre snap out of both eleven personnel and thirteen personnel,
and they want you to have to guess whether it's
run or pass, no matter whether they're in the lighter
personnel or the heavier personnel, so that freezes you as
a defense if you want to adjust to play heavier
in the back seven on defense, they are typically athletic
enough in either of those preferred personnels to run past you.
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And if you want to go lighter nickel to get
more speed on the field against the lighter speed personnels,
they can run the ball out of eleven personnel, or
they can sub into thirteen to get bigger against you.
So Nick and mcwara becomes a key figure, even as
a rookie safety, who is a perfect match for this
defense because you can leave them in as a third safety,
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a second inside linebacker, or a match slot defender, especially
against thirteen personnel passing. He's big enough to defend the run,
he's fast enough to cover and big enough to cover
tight ends, but fast enough to also cover smaller, faster receivers.
And this is first of all, in part why Seattle
keeps him on the field for almost every snap since
he returned from injury, because he is their.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Queen chess piece on the.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
Field who allows them to be just as multiple as
the offense that they are seeing on the other side.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 6 (07:15):
It also commands the rest of the defense to play
up to their potential, which is significant, perhaps the best
in the league right now.
Speaker 5 (07:22):
Yeah, in terms of the way I'm doing this because
throwing out a heavy personnel in comparing the two teams,
the Rams will still be able to run. I don't
trust the Seahawks run game at this point, and I'm
not exactly sure that Seattle does here, And like the
way that this kind of trend will be emulated around
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the league, Like you don't have the pieces to do
it at this level where there's not the way that
Donald's playing and the way JSN is playing, and the
way Stafford's playing with Davante right now, especially in the
red zone, and what Puka could do. There's ways you
can to go out there and do similar stuff. But
I think what makes this game so interesting is the
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different ways that the best pieces play despite the way,
because I think the Rams could like zig at the
zag opportunity here and it's like, oh, throw it on
a heavy personnel. It's gonna be a whole lot of
Blakecorum as well as Karen in this game where Seattle
will be out of that, and it's putting a lot
of pressure on saying.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I think last week might have been a turning point
for the Seahawks running game. We'll see, it wasn't an
easy matchup. The Cardinals are a top ten defense in
terms of DVOA and they had a thirteen play drive
towards the end of that game that was I mean,
it was incredible. They just didn't they didn't let Sam
darnoald pass the ball. Was the highest run pass ratio
of any team in any game all season. Now that
was because of the score, but the crazy thing is
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they were successful throughout the course of the game. It
was easily their best running performance of the year. And
so can that continue against the defense which has really
improved in terms of stopping the run. You're right that
that's like kind of the one weakness of these teams
for the most part this season has been the running game.
But the Seahawks will be without was is it Jake
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Sundell their center, and that's a big deal for them.
Who's gonna miss like two to three weeks. So Olua
Timmy comes in and he had some snap problems last
week with Darnold and so that's gonna be tricky for them.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
I think.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
On the other side, it's just how much can the
Seahawks speed up Matthew Stafford because his numbers against pressure
this year are not great. He is just getting rid
of the ball so quickly because he's preserving himself. And
this is a defense that has six different players between
twenty three and thirty six pressures. It's like you don't
know where the pressure is going to come from. And
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if they can just dominate that matchup Seattle, I think
they win this game. They are the number one team
in DVA by a decent amount, but the Rams are
number two, so they are the best two teams, I believe,
just iteest wise, and the numbers will tell you right now.
Speaker 6 (09:54):
I'm so excited for this game. I'm excited that Greg
Olsen's on the call because we're all going to learn
something out of this game as well.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
This is also we can't forget.
Speaker 6 (10:05):
Sam Donald really wants and has worked for a better
passing performance against this almost exact defensive front because the
last time that Sam Donald on a different team played
this almost exact defensive front. Now with the addition of
Punaford to help them, stop the run. They got to
him and were relentless, and he probably had one of
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his worst games and then was chased by that narrative
all season since. Has more than shaken off that negative
narrative that was attached to him after that game. But
he really wants I think he really wants to go
out and show his work.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
I think this is.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
The most fun offense to come out of the QBAC
system in a while. I'm so excited for this game.
This is this is my pick. I'm the number one pick,
and I am so glad it worked out this way.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
This is absolutely my pick.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I feel like that could be a drop. I'm the
number one pick. Now. These two teams I do face
off again in Seattle on Thursday Night Football in Week sixteen,
So this is gonna These two games I think will
really help tell the story, not just have the MVP conversation,
but of potentially the number one seed in the NFC.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
San Clemente High School the Tritons, Sam Darnold coming back
down in California that first we played his college football
as well. Looking forward to that one. We're also looking
forward to the Kansas City chiefs Andy Reid off the
by Jordan rod Rig. It is a thing that is
frequently discussed. They are three and a half point favorites
at the Denver Broncos, who will hope to look better
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on offense. Forty three and a half is the over under.
It's Jim and Tony and Tracy the CBS UNO team.
Is it time for the Broncos to have their big
offensive output against the good Chiefs defense.
Speaker 6 (11:54):
I just haven't seen enough consistency from the Broncos offense
over the course of the entire season to to fully
buy it.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
And it's it's.
Speaker 6 (12:02):
Not just Andy Reid coming off of by Steve Spagnolo
coming off of a buye.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
I mean, I don't want to draw that straw.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, I think it's nine and three as a coach
of the Chiefs, and then it was really crazy with Philadelphia.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
I think it was eleven and one something like that.
So yeah, at all.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
But it's like, but nine and three is a normal
sample size of what Andy Reid has done every season.
Might be lower than his average winning percentage. I do
want to see what they come out with. I'm disappointed
that they didn't trade for Brees Hall. The reporting from
Rich Sumini was that they offered a fourth, so they
wanted him, and the Jets, to their credit, I think
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held firm for a three, like why trade brestall at all?
But definitely why you know, without getting a better draft pick,
and I think they lack a little bit of explosion.
They haven't said the Chiefs if Josh Simmons is going
to start at left tackle. He returned to the team
during the bye week, so I would anticipate that he
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would be playing. And again, we're not in must win territory,
certainly not for the Chiefs, but I think if you
want to win the division, they probably have to win
this game, because if they didn't, they'd be three back
of the Broncos with what seven to play, and then
they'd also have three division losses. There's another tiebreaker you're
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already going to lose. You're not going to win the
team tie breaker. You've already lost to the Chargers, so
at best you're splitting there. This would be a loss
where you at best you're splitting with the Broncos. You
would be two and four in the AFC. At some point,
the numbers just really start to hurt and you're just
aiming moving forward for like a seven seed. This is
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the type of game where you would expect the best
out of the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
That is what I expect to see.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
And good news for them.
Speaker 5 (13:44):
Simmons did practice and was a full participant on Wednesday,
So there is that. But there's also a chance for
this Broncos team, which has not just been like inconsistent
total game, it's been inconsistent within plays, but within that inconsistently,
see there is the capacity to get yards and have
completions and score touchdowns where if you're one of those
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I'm sick of the Chiefs, folks like Greg.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Just drew the path for you.
Speaker 5 (14:12):
The Broncos could go a huge way to fixing that
issue right here in week eleven.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
Wait, and if you don't want everyone to be so
hard on Bonnicks and everyone's like, oh everyone, you know
that the Broncos fans, well stop booing the hell out
of them, you know. I unless they're booing Sean Payton
and the play calling, I don't know who they're doing.
They're just booing because because they like gang.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Warm, you know, the only way to do it.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
Yeah, you guys mentioned Josh Simmons returning. What a front
to do that against right Nick.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
To a Knicks throw.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Yeah, we're watching something.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
I didn't even turn to the left here. Uh oh,
here we go.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yeah, please check us out, like subscribe.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
Tough tough look on a screen on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
You know, the weather was rough that night against the Broncos,
I mean against the Raiders.
Speaker 6 (14:55):
Sort of blocked that game from my memory. We got
we got some real Al Michael nihilism in that game.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
No, I mean, I was gonna say no comment, But
why do I need to say no comment. I Owl's
been great, I like, but I want more energy out
of that booth.
Speaker 4 (15:11):
I love when he goes pull on dark Al.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
You know he needs to get a little more energy
from the guy next to him.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Hmmm, Well, he could be inspired. They could be inspired.
Speaker 6 (15:23):
I'm trying to get it back to the Broncos front somehow.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Now it's it's one of the.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Best defenses still with or without Patricks, uertain on the
on the field, one of the best defenses in football,
and it starts up front with Nick Benito and Jonathan
Cooper and how much they're pressuring the quarterback. They're affecting
the quarterback at both within the top five of pressure
rates in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
Right now.
Speaker 6 (15:45):
It is just tough to get anything done against them.
This is a lot of potential for uncomfortable Patrick Mahomes,
who still makes magic happen even despite some of that discomfort.
It would so help the Chiefs if they could just
run the ball and take some of the tea eat out.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Of that front.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Green Laws really helped their defense so that they lose
their tan. But green Law coming back from his injury,
he's looked fantastic. I guess I wasn't just counting on that,
considering the scope of how serious that injury was. And
we've talked about like the Chiefs are back. We've said
that a lot, and I think it's true. I think
it was a matchup thing against the Bills. Well, this
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is a great showcase to prove it. It's not going
to get any harder than playing in Denver.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
But I think the Bills put some stuff on tape
where personnel wise, the Moncos can do every bit of
what Buffalo did to that Bill's offens I mean to
the Chiefs offense and crowd the line of Scrimmant keep
the short and quick stuff away from Mahomes and forced
the Chiefs to show those receivers getting open deep.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
That market locally is on Chris Jones watch. Now.
Speaker 6 (16:49):
I'm not participating. I'm just noticing that's a part of
that conversation in that market, that.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
He's not playing well enough.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
Just just some people just asking some questions about his play.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
And you know, I feel like he was playing well
before the buy at least.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
I mean, I'm not going to be the person who
is one of the best defensive tackles that we've seen.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
There were ten other people on the field when Trevor
im back.
Speaker 6 (17:13):
I'm just noticing. I'm just noticing the conversation, that's all.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And that's what we do.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
We take note of discussions that are being had as
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Monday Night Football. It is the Birds by two and
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there's been I'll leave you to one particular discussion that
I know you're excited to have okay, but Dan Campbell
likes calling football plays this defense significantly better than the
one he call plays against last week.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's true, It'll be a much bigger test.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
I think he said him self up it was like
throwing an alley oop off off the backboard to himself
and he delivered. And now you got to play a
defense with drastically improved four man pass rush where they
don't have to send pressure. So that's more of what
Vic Vangio wants to do. They might even get Jacry
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and Bennett. I don't know how big of a factor
that will be, but will they play him over a
Dori Jackson? JayR Alexander retired since we last talked, and
I don't think we detailed that on the show at
any point, and that that's too bad for the Eagles
and for JayR, who just wasn't wasn't feeling it, and
I think he surprised the Eagles. According to Nick Sirianni,
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but this is such a like a fascinating matchup because
they're obviously both Super Bowl contenders. There have been two
of the best teams in the NFC now for a
couple of years in a row. It's six and three
versus seven and two, and yet I think compared to
last year, they're both still searching for like that mythical
like peak performance, and it's it's gonna be tough to
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reach it. Nick Sirianni, especially on offense, is getting a
little tired with the questions that are that are coming
up about his star receiver.
Speaker 5 (19:13):
Is the third time after a victory where Aja, either
social media or in this case on livestream has sort
of voiced his displeasure.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Is it at all becoming a distraction?
Speaker 4 (19:22):
No?
Speaker 7 (19:22):
I don't think so. And you can only go from
your interactions with with everybody and the way they go
about their work on a daily basis that you guys
don't can be able that you guys aren't able to see.
But you know, no, it's business as usual.
Speaker 8 (19:36):
You say it was kind of business as usual with AJ.
I mean his latest comment, I mean it seems like
it's not business as usual. Like how do you kind
of reconcile that with him?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Yeah, guys, I'm I'm close to being done answering these
questions with us.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
The comments that he's referring to were during a November eleventh,
that's Tuesday night Twitch Live stream with streamer Jankie Rondo.
I love that USA today is just you know, quoting
the streamer Jankie Rondo, where he asked, like, is everything
good to aj? Aj was on the stream he said, no,
where you've been, it's a it's a bleep show.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Uh you know, are you paying attention?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
That the more concerning part for me, Patrick, And you've
got your your face covered you you have frustrations. I
was earlier in the live stream he said everyone that
owns him in fantasy should cut him. And I just
want to say, don't don't listen to AJ Brown's fantasy advice.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
What is frustrating you about this? Patrick?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
A year ago.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
They asked AJ Brown what the Eagles needed to work
on yep, and he said passing. And since then, everything
Aj Brown has said or done, even on the sideline
where he's holding a book, has become some sort of
news that's worthy of discussion. The Philadelphia Eagles, in case
people don't remember, won the Super Bowl. They blew out
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the Kansas City Chiefs, who were trying to win multiple
Super Bowls in a row, including one against them, and
they blew them.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
Out so long ago. Pat Jalen hurts was on.
Speaker 9 (21:17):
The sideline begging Nick Sirianni to go in and score
more points against the Kansas City Chiefs. There was a
fourth and six on Monday Night Football with thirty three
seconds ago, and Nick Ariana inexplicably decided to.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Throw the ball.
Speaker 10 (21:33):
Yeah, and we're talking about AJ Brown on a stream
with Jankie. What are we doing as a society. This
is so dumb and vapid and empty. It does not
matter they won the Super Bowl. We're talking about distractions.
Hoisting a trophy is apparently the distraction. He doesn't make
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any sense.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, just for clarity, I think he goes more by Rondo,
not Jankie, but the full name Yankie.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
Rondo, Yanky Rondo, but the rough late stage Celtics Rondo.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
I hope not because he was never Yanky.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
I only take from all of this is that that
moment where Nick Sirianni blinks very hard. If you ever
wondered what Greg faces, that is Greg face? Okay, just
the feeling you got from watching them, like what are.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
Y'all trying to do?
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I don't understand, Like, what's what's the extra insight unless
you're just trying to be smarmy and create this thing
where it's like every we have to highlight and get
the microscope out on every AJ Brown interaction. Yeah, he
would like to catch the ball and get yards, but
they won the game.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Well, it's it's like a cross section of things. Everything
you're saying is true. I mean, the Super Bowl. Who
can remember that it was all the way back in February.
They don't have recording, fat or anything. But it is
a fascinating prop that I think helps to show how
complicated football is. And no matter how many times we
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talk about it, there is something lacking with this regular
season Philadelphia Eagles offense that, despite having all the talent
in the world, Nick Sirianni, and to your point, I agree,
more focus should just be on what is he doing
with some of these decisions. To that point, they gave
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Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown and Dallas s Godter and
Lane Johnson and Jordan Mailatta and Jalen Hurts and Devonte
Smith top of the market money landon Dickerson. Many of
those guys will be in the Hall of Fame someday,
and they are making the choice on about a quarter
of their third downs to just give up. Let's just
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run the ball on third and twelve. Let's like not,
let's literally not even try. And I don't even know
why or what that like. There's just something so strange
about why it doesn't that it is fascinating, And.
Speaker 5 (24:01):
That would be a great question to ask Nick Sirianni
instead of asking them the same exact question after we
already answered it. Regarding somebody's performance on jenky Rondo's twitch stream,
you want to talk about the.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
Matchup, I wonder, Actually I was curious about that because
sometimes play Colors they sequence plays together in packages and groupings. Now,
I don't think it is ever great to be so
predictable on third and very long that you're going to
run the ball as frequently.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
As they do.
Speaker 6 (24:31):
But you could also if Devil's advocate, you could also
be sequencing it with a fourth down play.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
But they never get to that fourth down exactly, so unsuccessful.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
One of the times was in the red zone last week.
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Right, So again, this is part of the problem is
banging your head over and over again. This is the
Eagles team in a nutshell, banging your head on the
same topic over and over and over again and expecting
different results. It's the same problems every year, whether it's
in the past game and that's not working effectively, or
it's to play calling, or it's it's the run game.
You know. I think that this this is right for
the Lions, who first of all, I want to see
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both of these offenses reach their actual potential, and I
don't think I think we've seen it in fits and
starts with both of these teams, but they have so
much potential and I would like to see both offenses
reach that. I think that the Eagles defense is very
close to reaching its full potential, certainly after what they
look like last week. And I think that the Lions
have reached on defense their full potential, and they are
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they This is a defense that has the ability to
roll and potentially even capitalize in a very interesting and
cool way against first of all, the run game and
forced Jalen Hurts to pass the ball because the Lions
defense is not missing tackles. They're not missing tackles, and
what they're trying to do with Saquon Barkley is get
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them into space and set up mismatches for him.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
I saw this season.
Speaker 6 (25:51):
I'm seeing for all of his his great qualities as
a top running back. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon
Barkley TFLs. I'm seeing a lot of Saquon Barkley brought
down on first contact, and yes, he still is capable
of these great explosive plays. We want to see the
passing game get fixed. The Lions defense may help us
out in this, in this effort of wanting to see
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them pass the ball to a lot of different guys more.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
Yeah, because they're not one hundred percent healthy. That is
the biggest problem with the Lions right now. Kirby Joseph's
still out of practice. Terry On Arnold suffered at concussion
last week. He is not practicing on Wednesday. Generally, that
means you're out for the game if you're not practicing
on Wednesday after a concussion. I'm sure Ian Hutchinson is
I would assumes playing. He didn't practice because of an
elbow injury. So we don't know if Kirby Joseph is returning.
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I don't know if I mentioned that or not. So
that's in the secondary. Unfortunately, they could be a little
short handed, and it is strength versus strength. Jalen Hurts
versus man coverage is awesome. Lions very good in man
coverage and then you know Jared Goff. We talk about
it pretty much every big game, like second in the
league EPA per play clean twentieth against pressure. Can they
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get that pressure with the four man pass rush? It'll
be fast, Yah, believe they can.
Speaker 6 (27:01):
And will Dan Campbell have his glasses on? These are
the questions we should be asking every local market.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
Yeah, hopefully they got to Lane Johnson and his status
before they asked the fifteenth question about aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Right, because that injury looked like it was going to
knock him out for weeks. But Lane Johnson isn't messing around.
They are no longer, by the way, allowing Jalen Carter
to take any plays off defense. Just about the only
defensive tackle in the league who just plays every single snap.
Looking forward to that Sunday Night football, We're gonna have
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Back on NFL Daily, we're hitting the home streat. You
know if it's it, it's an eight hundred meters dash.
Speaker 1 (28:27):
We we just hit that. We just hit the corner.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Patrick doing his part to break up the monotony.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Sorry everybody, Yeah, how are we doing? Eric?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
I forgot to throw it to a Dan Campbell sound
during the last break.
Speaker 6 (28:40):
Never apologize, Patrick, You I love when you rant.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
It's the best.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
It was great.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
We're pretty deep into this show. How has it been
too monotonous?
Speaker 3 (28:51):
Eric?
Speaker 1 (28:52):
How are we doing?
Speaker 6 (28:53):
No?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You get Patrick screaming about stuff?
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Great, that's too many screams, indexing too highly on screams.
So I was going to base everything out and go
to a very comfortable.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Kyle Shuden started.
Speaker 5 (29:07):
Who's forty nine ers are a three point favorite. We
still don't know. Wow with a quarterback, it's going to
be in perpetually a question mark. At the Arizona Cardinals,
where we do know it's Jacoby Brissett, Kevin Coogler and
Darryl Moose Johnston on the call, Jordan rod rig another
chance for the Cardinals to look good and lose.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Ah, I think you've said it all Patrick now.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
I mean, it's going to be tough to deal this
with this offense coming off of what just happened to them,
and poor Jacoby Brissette. Seattle came after him right away,
obviously turned the ball over a couple of times. And
now they're also going to be without Marvin Harrison Junior,
who very surprising news on Wednesday. He's out because he
(29:52):
had to have appendix surgery. So definitely not going to
be on the field this week.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, it sounds like that's at least going to be
a one week absence for Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
So like that's the bad news.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
The good news is his father won't have to watch
their offense this week. He can just go go golfing
or something. Jay Jones also tore his achilles last week,
so feel really bad for Zay Jones. And he added
some depth to that group two. And in the end,
like ownership, I don't think is gonna give Gannon a
(30:26):
huge pass for all the reasons why this is happening,
Like he needs to make this work.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
They're zero to three in the division.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
For instance, we were talking about division record, like if
you can't beat the forty nine ers at home, it's
a brutal division. But you were kind of hired as
the defensive guy who could help solve the offenses. And
they all have similarities in this division. If you can't
be that guy, what are you doing here? And Brock
(30:53):
Purdy is planning to have quote an aggressive practice with
the goal of starting Sunday according to Kyle Shanny.
Speaker 6 (31:03):
Yeah, always notoriously tells the truth, but it's true.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
I mean, why would add in quarterback he's had the
hopes of starting Sunday every single week?
Speaker 3 (31:12):
Right?
Speaker 2 (31:12):
I don't think so though, based on how Kyle's presented it.
By Wednesday, they've kind of indicated that it's probably going
to be mac Jones, whereas that quote would indicate it's
probably going to be Rock Purty, or at least that's
their hope this week that we could see the return
of Brock Purty, and Uh, I for one, I'm looking
forward to I kind of like, you know, okay, here's
(31:35):
I think you want to see. Here's the thing. It's
almost like Drake May's season. It's what happened to mac
Jones over the last seven ory weeks.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
It's not gonna any better than that.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Let's just let's just take him out with a couple
of innings to spare and bring in Rokie, you know
what I mean, Like he's getting tired. It's only going
to get worse from here for mac Jones. So let's
put in Rock Purty before it all goes to hell.
And uh, they're still right in they have a great
schedule to make the playoffs. I think the forty nine
(32:04):
ers still have a better chance to make the playoffs
than maybe the average person.
Speaker 6 (32:09):
One of the big things that could really be conjoined
with Rock Purty's return is also getting Ricky Piersoll back.
He's expected to practice this week, and that's huge because
he looked like an absolute number one receiver when he
was healthy. They were poised to make him that all
through training camp, his rapport with Brock Purty and this
(32:31):
offense with George Kittle doing remarkable things last week, and
them still losing because they just are so injured everywhere
and including on their defense, which is just the walking
wounded at this point. They need to score points. They
need to create explosive plays, to stay in their A
plus game plan the entire game as long as they can,
(32:52):
and keep a lead as long as they can in
a game and try to avoid a having to play
from behind and be putting too much on the shoulders
of this defense that is so in battled at this point,
and having your a number one explosive playmaker like Ricky
piersoll back with the quarterback who worked all spring and
summer and fall with him, that would go a long
(33:15):
way for this forty nine.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Ers team, a long way to I think, give perhaps
more opportunities to Brian Robinson jor Hey in the run game,
not to necessarily take carries away from CMC, but to
deploy CMC more where you would like to deploy him
in the passing gaming.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
And give him a break in the run game.
Speaker 5 (33:38):
Because we see, we see the explosiveness that Christian can
provide where I I don't necessarily think it's it's close
in this one. I would have the forty nine Ers
easily in a game where they can get the seven
and four, and you know, kind of have the Cardinals
where I think maybe they should.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I think this is a good Cardinals defense still, and
I think Jacoby against a team that doesn't really have
much of a pass rush, has a shot. So I
would expect another one of those close Cardinals games. Is
it is surprising to me neither of these teams run
the ball well. I mean that the Cardinals are down
to twenty eighth in DVOA in terms of running, but
the forty nine Ers are much better.
Speaker 6 (34:18):
They need a really big game from guys like Tatum Bethune,
for example, because this is going to be all Trey
McBride through the middle of the field all day.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
For Jacoby Brissett.
Speaker 6 (34:28):
So up to and Stout really love him as a player.
He is too small of a human to be defending
a tight end in the slot, and so you really
need a big game from your inside linebackers and support
safeties and all of that against Trey McBride. This could
be a I don't do fantasy football. This could be
a big Tray McBride.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Fantasy game and still the San Francisco forty nine ers win.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
At those point, they all are. Drey McBride has had
five touchdowns in four games. Which with Kobe Brissette in
the previous twenty one game. Yeah, with Kyler Murray.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
He's been posting about him in his Instagram story also
which trope alert. I know, but like you know, when
Jacoby was named the starter, there's a post of him
lifting him up after they scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
He's very productive.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
Speaking of you know, fantasy that Pierce I was available
in my local ten year old oh kids league. So
I mean just take a look. Maybe someone snoozed and
let go of him to her.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Do you want to change how you present that information?
Speaker 1 (35:26):
I mean people, people get it.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
The Baltimore Ravens are seven and a half point favorites
against Dylan Gabriel Bernow and the Cleveland Browns. The over
unders thirty nine and a half. Andrew Catalan, Charles Davis,
and Jason mccordy. They're on the call, Greg Rosenthal, Yes,
is this the final start for Dylan game?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (35:48):
I saw Stefanski was like, Dylan knows he's got to
be more accurate and hit some of those throws that
were there.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
We know that.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Just you're getting mad about uh Nick Sirianni trying to
throw people off the scent or answering questions about something
that doesn't matter. Yes, Dylan Gabriel is not a good
NFL starting quarterback. I don't think it matters who is
starting at quarterback for this team. You might as well
see sir at some point whatever. This offensive line is
truly terrible. These two tackles are worse at playing tackle,
(36:16):
I think, and that includes unfortunately Conklin who's been around
a long time. Then Dylan Gabriel is at playing quarterback.
This was the most expensive offense in the NFL last year.
They are paying Wyatt Teller and Buttonio and Djoku money
big money into next year. That's already dead money, assuming
they're not even going to be back on the team
(36:38):
because of Watson and everything.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
But this, this is what Andrew.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Berry has rot and I feel like he's gotten such
a pass and I do think these are the final
days of Kevin Stefanski. When Dan Orlovsky was on ESPN,
saying that he thinks Stefanski would be a good choice
for Jackson Dart and the Giants.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
I mean, alarm bell started going off for me.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I'm like, oh, like, I don't know what's going on here,
what agent or who's pushing different agendas, But I do
think conventional wisdom is now on the side of like,
Stefanski is not gonna survive this season.
Speaker 6 (37:14):
For the Browns, wasn't a lot of room on that
raft when the Titanic went down.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
You know, Jimmy Haslm, their owner, said before the season
three and fourteen, isn't gonna work. So he literally is
on the record of like what would be a bad record,
And that's like what they're on paced for.
Speaker 5 (37:30):
But so many decisions are directly linked to his decision.
Speaker 3 (37:33):
And it's something we talked about with Chris Breer.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Where you get a job, you get a great job,
whether it's writing at the Athletic, whether it's being on
the NFL network, working for NFL Media.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Where your job is to keep your job.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
And if the big boss says I would like to
do this, and then you do this, it seems weird
for the big boss to be like, ah, you did this.
You're fired where now it would be weird for the
Big Boss to do that, but the Big Boss is
the Big Boss, so they could do whatever they're.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
The craziest with this game is that this is the
sixth straight matchup that the Browns have had a different
quarterback against the Ravens. It's just that is that is insane.
Let's talk Ravens very quickly before we moved on from
this car.
Speaker 6 (38:11):
Did mispractice to start the week with the sore knee? Yes,
something small to keep an eye on.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Harbaugh said he expects him back on Thursday, and then
he expects he'll play, although we did hear similar ish
things when he was struggling through an injury previously this year.
I do think Lamar's, you know, the way that the
integrate him running the ball. He's running the ball less
than he's ever run the ball. And so I've got
a fever and the only prescription for it is more
(38:37):
Keaton Mitchell. Oh my god, that's that's what can help
solve this Raven's running game.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
If Lamar is not going to run again.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
Only did the accent feel like you can pull it off?
Speaker 1 (38:47):
I don't need to just give me some more Keaton Mitchell.
That kid looks awesome.
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Yeah, last last two games at least seven point four
a lot of his last three games seven point four
yards per carrying ten yards per carry for Keaton Mitchell.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
And there was Justice Hill only had one carry last week.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
It was the touchdown that he got where I don't
know what what.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Happened there to get like gold Line back Justice Hill.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
But they're not all the way back and this matchup
could point that out because they're like, that's why you
need Keaton Mitchell. I think it is because their guards
aren't that good and Derrick Henry needs a little lane
to go through. Keaton Mitchell is explosive enough that you
might just get him creating plays on his own or
you know, making getting through a hole quicker than a
(39:30):
Derrek Henry would. Rashad batemans hurt. He has an ankle
sprain that might keep him out this week. Isaiah likely
has I mean no production this year, neither is Bateman.
Like they are all the way back, and I think
this will be an interesting matchup to watch, at least
when the Ravens have that's.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It interesting they get they get in the end zone.
A couple of times.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
Here's here's one thing, fourth and one, Mark Andrews under
center in the push formation.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, I would like to see that for the remainder.
Speaker 4 (39:59):
I love that.
Speaker 5 (40:00):
Yes, the opportunity, the options out of it. Tossing it
to Lamar you still got passing options there. You sneak
it with Mark Andrews. Considering the way things have gone
on fourth and one earlier in the season, I would
like it every time.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
What if we're back it's the playoffs. It's like, uh,
it's the moment of the season against the Bills, right
against the Bills. Little Mark Andrews redemption. Would I'd be
a little worried though, like I would.
Speaker 5 (40:30):
Be in tears before the play, before the play. We'll
have a chance to see it. We also have a
chance to remember the Dallas Cowboys exist. Isn't it fun
when people take a break and they come back and
it's like, oh, ye, here you are an opportunity to
see the Cowboys in prime time once again. Monday Night Football,
Dallas three and a half point favorite Jordan against the
(40:51):
resurgence Las Vegas Raiders. They've got healthy Brock powers and
they're moving the ball now occasionally those really good defense
last week.
Speaker 3 (40:59):
How do you see this?
Speaker 4 (41:00):
Yeah, I think ever since Brock Bauers came back.
Speaker 6 (41:03):
It's amazing what having one of the best players in
the entire NFL can do for your offense and for
your quarterback, to get your quarterback back on track. Also,
Chip Kelly, your favorite coach in the entire world. Patrick
showing a little bit of flexibility and getting pointedly mentioned
(41:23):
by Pete Carroll and seemingly every press conference at this point.
We'll see if that continues. I have loved this Dallas
offense all season. I still love this Dallas offense. What
I'm really really interested in. And they've been through the
worst couple of weeks as a group, and that you
(41:44):
can imagine. And I am glad that somebody with the
I think emotional intelligence that Brian Schottenheimer has is leading
this group through the tragedy of Marshaw Neeland's passing. And
I'm not going to sit here and do the thing
(42:04):
that sports does where it's like, you know, turn it
into this or that or whatever in a vacuum.
Speaker 4 (42:12):
I am curious to.
Speaker 6 (42:13):
See how this Cowboys ebafulu sled defense adjusts from the
absolute fiasco that they were earlier in the season and overall,
I know this is going to be an incredibly emotional
game for every Dallas Cowboys coach, player, support staff, front
office member. My heart goes out to him, and like
I said, I'm glad Brian Schottenheimer is the one in
(42:34):
charge over there.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:35):
I think that's well said.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
I think that's one of the most impressive things about
Schottenheimer and why I thought he could be the right
guy to lead this team in general, beyond you know,
the offense, which which has had its moments, although you know,
struggled a little bit the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
I do.
Speaker 2 (42:54):
I do struggle with that because they're going to put
a lot onto this game and it is going to
be emotional to be out there for the first time,
like without without marsh on neland especially the way that
they've happened. But I have been I guess impressed is
the wrong word, but just heartened to like hear how
openly so many of the different players have spoken about
(43:14):
it and have spoken about mental health.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
I thought Michael Parsons's.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Ex teammate was was beautiful on that too. And Yeah,
it's it's one of those games that like it doesn't
feel like it's gonna like have a big impact on
the playoff race or anything like that. And yet I
think it's gonna be like really meaningful for these young
men and the older you know men and women that
are in the organization too, to just have a moment
(43:40):
together and they've been back together. It's such you know,
strange timing too, because it was when the team was
all apart from them, and so they've been back together
this week and they've spoken a lot about that.
Speaker 5 (43:51):
Yeah, we see teams and players deal with personal loss
all the time, and that's the thing when you you
suffer a big loss and you take a second away
and you notice the world is still spinning and everybody's
going about their business. But now they're all doing it
together and they have to work through that with all
(44:15):
the people who are experiencing that, and I think like we.
Speaker 3 (44:18):
Subtract that element.
Speaker 5 (44:20):
We talk about all these things that don't matter and distractions,
like this is one where it's going to be on
everybody's mind and an opportunity for them to see how
they perform in the game at work where you kind
of take a step back and think of the perspective
is like this is all this stuff doesn't really matter
(44:42):
in comparison to that. But but yeah, you guys mentioned
with Seaten Humber, and I think what this group of
veterans that's gone through a lot, a lot of guys
that have seen a lot of coaches, seen a lot
of turnover. They've they've had great games, They've they've also
had horrible games.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
And you know, the matchup to get get back.
Speaker 5 (45:00):
To football is a winnable one, an exceedingly winnable one
against the Raiders team that also hasn't lived up to
the expectation that we have.
Speaker 1 (45:09):
Yeah, you know that.
Speaker 2 (45:09):
I mean think about Dak Prescott too that Yeah, he
dealt with it too on a personal level. And yeah,
before we leave, it does occur to me. I read
this book this year called it's called Things in Nature
Merely Grow. It's by Ye Young Lee, who's one of
my favorite novelists, I would say the last like ten years.
And she lost her sons to suicide, which is a
(45:30):
crazy thing to happen to a parent. Anyways, it I'll
just say that if even three people or one person
out here listening is interested in that, it's like nominated
for a National Book Award.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
I believe it.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
It's like a finalist right now. But it reframed how
I think about suicide in general, as someone that is
living on past.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
The people that you love.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
So obviously it's more than football, Raiders and Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (45:56):
But we will be watching on Monday night. And that's it.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
We got to the end of the week eleven slate. Here,
we did it. We are past the halfway point.
Speaker 3 (46:08):
We've made it.
Speaker 5 (46:09):
I was I was wondering, should I should I create
a graphical representation boring for the conversation guys.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
I think so for people to track love on Blue.
Speaker 5 (46:19):
Sky, maybe I'll make it like a red account and
on the NFL Daily pods up Reddit.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And who is leading right now? I mean that's you're
holding out from us.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
No, it's Stafford.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
Okay, I feel like I said that it's Stafford far
and away because he gets his lifetime achievement points. But
he's got he's got some folks chasing, including the guy
that they traded to get, Matthew Stafford and one mister
golf mm hmmmm.
Speaker 3 (46:42):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (46:43):
We'll be watching and poetry my friends will.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Be publishing too, because that's what we do here at
NFL Daily we put out shows and the next show
that you will hear will be a Thursday night recap
little Jets and Jets and Patriots, and you know, Shookie
and I we come up with something a little extra,
a little Land yap to throw.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
In there as well, just makes it a little special.
We will see you then. Appreciate y'all.
Speaker 6 (47:15):
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