2025 NFL Week 9 Recap: Allen vs. Mahomes, NFC North Drama, Seahawks the Best in the NFC?

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we don't know what to
think about the number one seeds in each conference. I'm
Greg Rosenthal here in the Chris Westling podcast studio. I'm
joined by Patrick Claybon and Jordan Rodriege. Nick Shook coming
up later on the show, and he's going to talk
about one of those one seeds.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
That fell the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I feel like some of these Sundays it's just like
move it forward Sunday, It's like a four or five
yard run on first and ten. This was not one
of those Sundays. I feel like we had big time
teams losing. We had JJ McCarthy re entering the picture
like we just a lot happened.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It was fun.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
I mean everything comparative to last week was just awesome.
As awesome as last week was, Don't get me wrong,
Like the unexpected happened in so many of these games,
and I love it.

Speaker 5 (00:53):
Yeah, last week was the third quarter, first drive interception,
returning deep into your own territory. This at this game
this week was like the defensive line stepping in, got
to stop on booth and gold, get the old moBack
on your side.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was a lot of good defensive snops, including in
the game of the day. So the Bills Chiefs was
not the best game of the day. Ultimately, when Josh
Allen and Patrick Mahomes are playing near the peak of
their powers and their teams are relevant, which they always are,
they're going to lead the show. And ultimately I thought
what happened today in the AFC was really interesting. Let's
talk about the top of the AFC to start this show,

(01:30):
and let's start in Buffalo.

Speaker 6 (01:32):
Five on the plate clock, Mahomes and the shotgun on
third and eleven.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Play clocked down to one.

Speaker 6 (01:38):
Here's the snap pressure coming Mahomes. He's it down the
field looking for Worthy. It's picked off by.

Speaker 7 (01:46):
Maxwell Hairston at the Buffalo thirty two yard line. The
rookie with a takeaway Joey Bosa got the pressure and
it led to an arm punk by Mahome and Harston
champed out under it and picked it off.

Speaker 4 (02:04):
Oo.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Maxwell Hairston has he just changed the Yes, entire Bills
defense in the last couple of weeks, picks off Patrick
Mahomes late. The defense prevents Patrick Mahomes from a hail
Mary try and the Bills win with a nice combined
effort between the offense and the defense. That was Chris

(02:27):
Brown on w g R capping just a magical weekend
for Eric Roberts, hardcore Dodgers slash Bills fan, Austin Roberts,
his son only knows Dodgers World Championships, and Josh Allen
as the Bills quarterback. Fantastic game to me, Patrick, because

(02:50):
I don't think there was anything lucky about it. In fact,
there were some unlucky aspects to it for the Bills,
including more injuries for them. It was just a game
where they looked better up in terms of their running
game and their pass rush then the Kansas City Chiefs,
and frankly like by the end, it almost felt that
the Chiefs were lucky to still even be in this. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Consistently throughout the game, Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes were trying
to game out what Sean McDermott's defense was doing to
scheme them up. There was a play that we discussed
extensively in the first half where the Chiefs have a
goal to go opportunity wind up kicking a field goal,
but they run the Xavier Worthy on the play that

(03:30):
the Philadelphia Eagles were doomed to stop in the Super
Bowl running motion coming in and going back out, and
the Chiefs had a man look that appeared to be
man turns out of his own. So Xavier Worthy was
running directly into defender and Patrick Mahomes had nowhere to
go with the ball. That was a consistent thing, and
the problem with this Chief's defense was having guys have

(03:51):
yards after the catch, yards after contact, yards after catch
over expectation all negative. Rashi Rice negative eleven yards, Travis
Kelsey negative four, Hollywood negative three, Kareem Hunt negative one.

Speaker 8 (04:03):
Xavier' Worthy, Juju Smith, Schuster all negative. Yes.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
The only theory I have, Greg is guys are out
of position, they're uncomfortable. Maxwell Harrison comes in and suddenly
this defense has folks where they want to be, where
they can make plays. And the Chiefs their limitations here,
of which are few, I think in terms of route
runners who can get open and separate when there is

(04:29):
no Andy Reid masterminding and Patrick Mahomes creating after the snap,
they're kind of limited in that compantity.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
Patrick Mahomes completes under fifty percent of his passes in
this game, and a lot of them that he did
complete he was fifteen for thirty four, were holding the
ball forever and just trying to make magic that only
he can make. And I did think Harston sticking with
Xavier Worthy, who only gets three catches on seven targets
a couple down the field was huge. I thought Joey

(04:57):
Bosa and Greg Russeau in the pass rush were really good.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
And Cole Bishop shows up.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
I mean, all the problems that we talked about, including
the run defense for the Bills defense really wasn't there.
And if nothing else, Man Sean McDermott, he knows how
to fix things during the buy and he knows how
to make it uncomfortable on this Chief's offense, specifically in
the regular season, but really has done a good job well.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
I think one of the things that Sean McDermott has
showed so well, especially in this game, is taking advantage
of where there are weak spots, whether it's due to
injury in this case, very much so for the Chiefs,
taking advantage of those potential soft spots or those weaknesses
when he's devising his defensive game plan. And to your
point on Maxwell Harrison, if you don't have a player

(05:38):
who can switch between man and zone coverage as well
as Maxwell Harrison can, then Sean McDermott can't run the
stickier types of coverages and move a player even though
he's playing a zone for the most part, behind that
one player who's moving around. He likes to do these
things to try to take away or leverage different areas
of the field, and I thought that he had a
really outstanding plan to coach around some of theies we've

(06:00):
seen and also take advantage of where the Chiefs are
banged up. They're banged up along their offensive line. Okay,
they hit Patrick Mahomes fifteen times, three sacks, but fifteen
hits and the pressure was there. They also are missing
Isaiah Pacheco. Okay, well, the Bills have been one of
the worst run defenses in the league one hundred and
forty one rushing yards per game allowed over the entire

(06:20):
season on average, just seventy nine today and forty nine
to Kareem Hunt alone. The way that they could take
advantage of where the Chiefs are down players or missing
guys was really really good game planning in my opinion.

Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I think the running game is a perfect thing
to look at because the Chiefs were effective enough running
the ball today, like the success rate was about the
same for two teams, but the Bills do it at volume,
and they do it early in the game, and James
Cook was going right up the middle quite a bit
early in the game between the tackles where they're good.
Josh Allen only has three incompletions. I wouldn't say it's
been a bad Josh Allen year at all, but I'd

(06:54):
say the last three or four weeks it hasn't been
him at his very best. And this was him totally
under control over ten yards per attempt. Dalton Kincaid is
getting wide open. Good job scheming him open, and he's
looking faster. He's third on the team and tight end snaps.
Even today he played behind Knocks and Spencer Hawes, and
yet they're getting him the ball a lot six for
one oh one. So I was just, if you're that

(07:17):
much better up front, and the Chiefs did not have
a great pass rush today, you're gonna win this game.

Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah, And you kind of see some of the same
issues for both teams, except the Bills offensive line better healthier,
Jawan Taylor left the game at a certain point. Then
the Chiefs lose another Lineman where they have to finish
the game. I believe it was suem A Taylor left.
John Taylor played a lot of this game too.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Everyone was like going in and out, but yeah, they
are not one hundred percent in just Simons still not
back for them, and.

Speaker 5 (07:45):
So like you get the dichotomy where it's kind of
like the season where the average air yard per attempt
for Josh Allen's four point six yards, but he didn't
have to do much because they could be so dominant
on the ground, whereas Kansas City if things if things
aren't working, it's just kind of hope ball. And like
they get a weird fourth and seventeen conversion that ultimately

(08:07):
leads to a score, which is the reason the game
finishes up at twenty eight twenty one. But other than that,
like nothing long sustained in terms of success. And they
were also three of thirteen on third down.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
That's crazy, but them being able to hit a fourth
and seventeen, that's why you go for the fourth.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I loved this conversation back and forth in the news.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
You're the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
I thought you're in you Reid, you found fourth down
religion and they decide to kick a field goal after
failing on the goal line right at the end of
the half. And it was a half where they were
pretty consistently outplayed down twenty one to ten, and then
suddenly they hit a big play down the field. That
one was to Thornton right and you know, to Hollywood

(08:50):
Brown and he comes up like a yard short of
scoring the touchdown. And it was one of those situations
where the Bills kind of they know you're gonna with
only one time out, probably run on the first play
they stop it only Kareem Hunt gets stopped and then
two unsuccessful pass plays of which you talked about, but
you got Patrick. You just got to take a chance
because later in the game you're going fourth and seventeen.
You're going fourth and fourth and by the way, you

(09:10):
hit them both.

Speaker 5 (09:11):
And also the guy who makes that decision is the
guy who calls the plays. And I think there's a
little bit of survivorship bias in the way we look
at the fourth down situation, because the teams that are
going for it on fourth down either have to go
for it on fourth down to try to win the
game or stay in the game, or they are confident
in a play call that allows them to go for
it and successfully execute the fourth down conversion where you

(09:31):
don't really see a lot of fourth downs when the
play caller and the coach both saying, Hey, I don't
think we got it here.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
I think we should kick the ball and get three points.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
And so that I think fans effect, and yeah, Pacheck
go's out and they have the buye week he can
get healthy like he I think they need to trade
for a running back more than anything. To me, Pachecko
is not a plus starter at this point. Kareem Hunt
is not. I think he's probably playing better than Pacheco
is right now, and I think that is a position
that they could improve in the next couple of days.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
So I think the Bills have to be buyers too.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's so sad, you know, Michael Hoyt being out with
what Sean McDermott said postgames and Achilles not really stinks. Obviously,
he missed the first six games as well with that suspension.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
He was really showing up for them.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
He was popping making some splash plays and they needed
a player at his position who could play on the
outside and on the inside. So if they're not by
if they weren't buyers already, especially on along that defensive
liner pass rush. I feel like they should be, maybe
even more so than I know that. The buzz is
that they want a receiver Da da da da dah.
Like I do think that this defense could still improve,

(10:31):
so you don't have to coach so dramatically around the deficiencies.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah, and the thing is they've been out like they've
been much better pass rushing since the buy It's only
been two weeks, but they've just looked like a different team.
Joey Bosa in this game had ten pressures according to PFF,
two sacks, three quarterback kits. The NFL is going to
record it differently, but in terms of pressure, he was consistent.

(10:54):
So was consistent. Great complete game from the Buffalo Bills.
They get to six and two, and here are the Chiefs,
even though I think they're playing better, some of their
shortcomings here not much of a pass rush, the running game, eh.
Four losses. It is going to be hard to catch
up to try to get that one seed this year
in the AFC. It's it's not out of bounds, but

(11:15):
it's going to be out of their hands.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
At this point.

Speaker 1 (11:17):
The Bills with a two game lead and the tiebreaker.
All right, let's stay in the AFC. It was not
the Bills on top in the conference going into today.
It was the Indianapolis Colts. Big test for them in Pittsburgh.

Speaker 9 (11:31):
Colts moving crisply to the line of scrimmage under three
minutes remaining here in the fourth quarter, they get everybody
in place at the two fifty. Marcus Jones gets a
snap back to pass, looking pressure coming throws and is intercepted.

Speaker 10 (11:44):
Joey Porter Junior, first.

Speaker 11 (11:47):
Interception of the season at the forty yard line.

Speaker 9 (11:50):
Of the Steelers.

Speaker 2 (11:51):
As the Steelers.

Speaker 9 (11:52):
Now with another turnover, how many macs one for the other.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Thumb six on the day?

Speaker 2 (12:00):
Outrageous.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
The Indianapolis Colts came in too Sunday and yes, we're
one game away from being halfway through this season with
four turnovers.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
They had six today, five.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Of them at the hands of Danny Dimes.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
YEA, A couple, we're bad luck, a couple we're bad plays.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
It was as bad, but more than anything, I give
the Pittsburgh Steelers credit. I also give Rob King and
Max Stark's credit on WDVE with that call. Steelers win
twenty seven to twenty in a game where they were
up by three scores in the second half give up
a couple scores late to make it look closer. But

(12:42):
I've been asking for Alex high Smith, Cam Hayward, TJ.
Watt just show up and like be the badasses that
you are. And I think them beating the tackles on
the Colts today, specifically Bernard Ryman and Braden Smith, was
so important to this victory. And we can get into

(13:03):
what they did differently schematically, but I do think it
was just like their best players showed up and were
better than the Colt's best players.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
Well, we have to get into it schematically, because that's
not the only thing that was the difference here. Part
of the huge difference is that a hugely emphatic man
to man coverage team played more zone and sent more pressure,
specifically out of his own looks, and it's unscouted for them,
so meaning that the Indianapolis Colts did not have a
bunch of data or film on what that would look

(13:32):
like from the Steelers coming in, and you could see
that it confused Daniel Jones at certain times.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
You could see that it changed.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
The way that the receivers were trying to run their
routes the way that they were trying to scheme open space.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
That was very clear too.

Speaker 4 (13:43):
So I think, you know, credit to Mike Tomlin because
he has been so rigid and not wanting and inflexible,
not wanting to change the things that he does or
the things that he likes to do. So it's not
only that you're winning upfront the way that these guys
are supposed to do, the way we expect them to do,
the way we've been lamenting that they haven't over time.
But it's also that they mixed up some of their
coverages and they changed things in specific situations to where

(14:06):
they could afford to make these plays on the ball
and capitalize on mistakes.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
And the way they talked about it was and this
is always a code word when things aren't going well,
we simplified it, like we didn't do as much.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Does he thinks playing zone is the for you?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (14:17):
And it wasn't zone for dummies, that's what he thinks
zone is.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
Right in the end, like you look at the numbers
and it wasn't much different. It's like, you know, they
were a relatively heavy man team and they went ten
percent down, but I think it was in key situation,
and they said, I think a big part of it
was because Kyle dugger was on the field. Kyle Duggar
got a game ball. He played every snap today, seventy
eight snaps, and they said he had just tried trying
to learn this even that was part of it. Was
they were almost trying to simplify for him. And they

(14:43):
play a lot of single high safety today and so
the real goal here is to stop Jonathan Taylor. And
it was Jonathan Taylor's worst day of the season. Make
Daniel Jones beat them trust in the pass rush. And
yet they put Jalen Ramsey at free safety the whole
day too. He literally was he was just etyz people
stayed at the same position and they were awesome. And like,

(15:06):
the Steelers offense deserves credit for just not messing it up.
But they got out gained by like one hundred and
forty yards today they had two hundred and three. It
was this was the kind of the Steelers team that
I expected to see all season, which is badass defense
and the offense just don't mess it up.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
That's what they did.

Speaker 5 (15:21):
And we've seen the Steelers team earlier this season when
the New England Patriots, who are the team with the
second best record in the in the AFC, went up
against the Pittsborog Steelers turned the ball over five times.
They actually the Steelers got out gained three sixty nine
to two oh three, and today it was three sixty
five to two twenty five in favor of the Colts
on the yardage, but in terms of the picture for

(15:44):
Daniel Jones, because there were plays like the watch Strip
sack where Warren was open, but there was that split
second of hesitation as as Daniel Jones is looking down
at the coverage and doesn't see TJ. Watt six feet
away from him with the bend able to reach for
the ball and get it out. It's like shades of
metlifetimes in terms of, you know, giving the ball up.

(16:06):
But it wasn't like consistent ultimate failure. It was just
every time the Colts had a major opportunity, the ball
was going the other way to the Steelers. And that's
not like the Colts coughing it up. I think the
Steelers made plays on every single one of those game. Yeah,
probably the best Peyton Wilson game that we've seen all
season long.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Peyton Wilson with the interception tips a pass at the
line of scrimmage. That's where there was some bad luck here.
And Daniel Jones I don't really fault him for the
Alex Highsmith stripsack. That to me was just like a
great defensive play that's on his blind side, very.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Quick pressure there.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
But he did have kind of a groaner where he
gets to his second read late on a throw over
the middle early. And this is after playing like a
great first couple of drives, and then that TJ. Watt
stripsack really turned everything around. Let's listen to Mike Tomlin
who was feisty after the game talking about his five
and three Steelers.

Speaker 12 (17:00):
Line between drink and wine and squashing grapes. In this business.
That's football. At this level, it's a limited number of
plays or sequences that can really change the trajectory of
an outcome with still the same group that's stunk it
up last week. That's football.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
See.

Speaker 4 (17:18):
I like that he said that because that's exactly the
point that I was making earlier. Greg is like, it's
not like they dramatically overhauled their entire system and scheme.
They had a new player joined the group and yes, okay,
you can use the word simplify for some of the
things that perhaps they translated to him as he was
picking up that the playbook conceptually. But also they picked

(17:40):
their situations and he said, there's a finite number of
plays you can make through the course of a game. Well,
they picked their spots better schematically with which to send
some of that pressure and some of those mixed coverage
looks that they did deploy. I think, keep lean into that,
keep going with that. Do these things act like Kyle
Dugger is joining the team every single week, honestly, like
it worked.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Good pickup, Yeah, they got they got him if you
missed it in a trade, a late round pickswap and
just the dudes showed up. And it was funny watching
the Colts defensive plan. They blitzed on forty one percent
of their snaps and they had a ten percent pressure rate.
Because Aaron Rodgers, he went like everything you've seen about

(18:20):
him this year went to an extreme level because he
took some pressures early. Their offense did not look good
early in the game, and the rest of the game
he decided, I'm getting rid of the ball, i am
not getting hit they did not have much of a
run game today. Jalen Warren held under two yards per carry.
But Rogers, Yeah, but he did. He did score two
touchdowns and.

Speaker 8 (18:39):
That's two scores.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
That's the thing about the Steelers. They're a great red
zone team on both sides of the ball. That has
basically been the key to their season. And they did
capitalize in the red zone at least early in this game.
He had a time to throw a two point one today,
which is just outrageous and averaging two point seven air yards,
so almost all of his yards were after the catch.
And it's a lot of Dardo and Friarmouth and John

(19:01):
new Smith and they're they're in multiple tight ends like
fifty percent of the time, three tight ends like thirty
five percent of the time. Like it is just it's
some heavy, big boy football that Jordan Rodrigue loves.

Speaker 5 (19:13):
There was there was a rollout before the first Jalen
Warren touchdown where twenty ten Aaron Rodgers is in the
end zone discount double checking, and there was so much
grass and I'm like, oh.

Speaker 8 (19:25):
Rogers is back the grass.

Speaker 2 (19:27):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
The gap closed almost instantly, and uh, it's it's a
sign that you know, Aaron Rodgers is my age out
there trying.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
But yeah, he has like that that one moment of hesitation.
He's like, am I gonna? Am I really gonna do this?
And I'm like, your only chance is to just go
for it. But I think he was smart to not
really go for it. He was topped out, Yeah, because
there was there was two why nough But like if
he had like like a thrown his body in there,
but there were two defenders there, and uh, you know,
discretion the better.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
Part of valor there.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
The Steelers winning the division right now, I think the
Raven see this result in there, like hmm, we thought
that might be a loss f five and three, And yes,
the Colts fall to seven and two. They're going to
Berlin next week. They're still a top the AFC. But
you mentioned who's right behind him. Let's go to Foxborough.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
He has Jakes in the left slot. It's a third
down with the five snap and Drake he throws.

Speaker 13 (20:17):
It to the left for Hunter Henry.

Speaker 14 (20:18):
He's opening to the.

Speaker 10 (20:19):
First sideline and he's slidesing downs.

Speaker 8 (20:21):
At the corning.

Speaker 15 (20:22):
The painters able to set up a bit of a
rough player Water Henry.

Speaker 16 (20:26):
He's able to get wide open Drake May Finshi.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
Catch a ball game. Oh, they wouldn't even let so
lock in on the call. I like it.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Eric's feeling frisky the Dodgers parade on Monday. You're not
getting in his show, Bob Sochi wb Z twenty four
to twenty three. We've had a lot of games like that, Jordan,
where they need Drake May or the offense to get
one or two first downs at the end of the game.
And even after letting the Falcons back into this one,

(20:56):
they get the job done in the end.

Speaker 4 (20:58):
Yeah, and Drake May and Hunter Henry needed that. They
needed to make that play badly, not just to ice
out the game, but because after a really strong start
by Drake May two touchdowns, super clean game, he only
had three incompletions, he started turning the ball over. He
turned the ball over twice. The Falcons scored ten points
off of his turnovers, and then the Patriots basically just
had to hold off of Falcons comeback because they only

(21:19):
scored three second half points. But as we know, whenever
they are given the chance to falcon, the Falcons will falcon.
And at the end of the game, Parker Romo misses
an extra point that would have tied the game. After
the two teams traded really sloppy possessions, Drake May got
a last chance to close it out with that conversion,
and that is ultimately what sealed the game. It was

(21:41):
real touch and go there for a minute, but they
got it done.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
I didn't think that.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
My worst take, and I've had so many of the preseason,
would be that the Patriots were making a mistake keeping
their rookie Andy Borgallis, who's been money, and getting rid
of Parker Romo, who supposedly beat him in the camp competition.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
But you know why they.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
Didn't because Mike Rabel know things we don't. You know,
he just has the magic sauce.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
Apparently.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
It's incredible. It's incredible what they're doing. And I will say,
you see the score, and you see the second half
of the offense for what New England was doing or
not doing, and you see the Falcons start to surge.
The Patriots looked like the better team through most of
this game Atlanta. They only had they only had four
carries for Jon Robinson for twenty yards. Fifteen of those

(22:25):
yards came on one carry. By the way, I'm clocking
this they're only under center run play or any play
from under center of the game goes for fifteen yards.
It's his longest run of the game. And Michael Penix
had two touchdowns but really only one full good.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
First half drive with three total touchdowns right to London.

Speaker 4 (22:44):
Yes, yes, but I'm talking about the first half, like
I mentioned, so in the first half he only had
two touchdowns and really only one full good drive. It
was fifty three yards and five plays, and that was
on the third possession of the game. They really couldn't
move the ball much at all in the first half.
They capitalized from the six yard line off of a
takeaway or one of the first the early Drake made
turnovers and that was what really was helping them stay

(23:06):
in this game. That and the fact that every time
Michael Pennix threw it to Drake London, who had a
hat trick today, he was making something insane happen. Let's
hear his third touchdown of the game.

Speaker 15 (23:17):
Sales London a pitch to the right, voting to the left.
We're going to get his own coverage Robinson with Pennix.

Speaker 16 (23:25):
Here's the staff. They bring five again, they'll throw it
for London.

Speaker 11 (23:28):
He did, he hang on, he did touchdown Atlanta.

Speaker 8 (23:35):
Oh, this is an unbelievable is done it again?

Speaker 3 (23:39):
It's just insane. It's just insane, and it was.

Speaker 4 (23:42):
It was really Drake London go up and make a
play and otherwise just extremely disjointed from the Falcons offense.
And it wasn't you know, the Patriots had really a
really solid run defense. Again, they had not up until
this game, had not allowed a single rusher to go
over fifty yards the entire season. But this just was

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another example of the Falcons doing just enough in spurts
and way negative plays, negative drives, not enough in others.
The two rookies on the defensive side were a bright spot,
Jalen Walker and James Pierce Junior. They combined to force
that Drake may fumble stripsack that James Pierce picked up
and ran to the six yard line. Other than that,

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I mean, they the Patriots really outplayed them. And again
the box score doesn't really show it, but in every
phase the Patriots just really had it more consistently than
the Falcons did.

Speaker 5 (24:34):
And it's a consistent thing that we've talked about for
weeks now about this game and how they are executing
this offense for the Atlanta Falcons, where I think we
can just get rid of the game against the Dolphins
where when Kirk Cousins was playing that in hindsight was
just gonna go left regardless. But we see where John
Robinson's getting ten targets for just fifty yards other than

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Drake London and a couple of Kyle Pitts catches that
really nothing available, and it's just Drake London a lot
of times late in the plays and Michael Pennix Junior
kind of collaborating to freestyle stuff like the one fade
touchdown to Drake London, he catches the ball on the
other shoulder on a fade ball, just having to like,

(25:16):
I don't know what the original call was there in
terms of the offense, because like it's a fade that
he's catching on the inside just because he's got that
significant size advantage of over most people. But you look
at the way that the Falcons are operating, and so
much doesn't make sense. Yeah, and despite all that, they're
a Parker Romo extra point, and again, like who's to

(25:36):
say they stop the Patriots And Drake May doesn't get
a Bori Gallas field goal to win the game. But
it's another one of these situations where this team could
have easily won this football game despite all the problems
that they have on both sides of the balls.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Well, it really was for the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
It really was as simple as the turnovers, because they
were moving the ball really well, but they just turned
it over between the second and third quarters and they
just Drake May just doesn't hasn't really done that. I mean,
he has played mostly just really clean football. He's pushed
the ball, he has not been afraid to make really
good throws. There were a couple early in the game
that were absolutely sick. I was turning to Greg and

(26:12):
being like, I don't think you're actually making enough of
a big.

Speaker 8 (26:14):
Deal about it.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
I think I think so.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I mean, if I've almost been afraid to make too
big of a yea, I think you'll be judged. Drake
May becoming like a top five type of quarterback this
season is one of the biggest stories in the NFL
this season.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
But I do I'm not surprised.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
To me he's gonna have some higher variance games because
he does take chances. It's been crazy how clean everything
has been, so games like this don't surprise me.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think there will be more games like this.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
And to be fair, their offense has almost never put
together full games. It's always one terrible it's always like
one really quiet half and then they turn it on.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
It's usually the second half. This time they kind of
reversed it.

Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah, it was definitely the inverse of it. I think
credit to the defense because they did make enough plays
on there and to just stop a ton of like
consistency and it was a lot of stop start, stop
start and then throw the ball in a gotta have
it moment to Drake London. This was a Michael Pennock's
game that was kind of confusing. So he had a

(27:11):
fourth and four on that drive and of course he
goes to Drake London and of course Drake London converts
it and then it sets up a touchdown. But then
when they're trying to close out the game, and to
be fair, both offenses traded sloppy possessions when we were
trying to close out the game. It's a confusion. There's
an intentional grounding penalty that you know. Rahee Morris said
after the game the Patriots caused because they were clapping

(27:33):
with the cadence because they had scouted out the cadence. Now,
I went back and I looked at the ALL twenty
two like what was available on NFL Plus, and I
cannot see a single player clapping. So I'm not really
sure if it was coming from the sideline or where
it was coming from, or what prompted Rahee Morris to
say that. But they definitely messed up the snap cadence
and the timing. Michael Penix had to dirt the ball.

(27:54):
It was called intentional grounding. It totally took them out
of the ability to continue the drive and maybe even
tried for another field goal.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
It just was sloppy.

Speaker 4 (28:03):
There's like one or two really great moments per game
and then the rest of it is so sloppy.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, that was one that I was having a conversation
with you, Patrick. I think people should go for fourth
and long a little longer. They decided to punt it
away instead of going for a fourth and twenty. They
don't get the ball back. I know it's either way.
It's a low percentage play, but I would go for
fourth and twenty. That's not what the Patriots would rather.
You punt the ball away in that situation, Christian Gonzalez

(28:27):
left this game. He did say afterwards that he was
checked for a concussion, I believe, and he could have
come back into the game.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
All right.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
So the Patriots, they are still the second seed in
the AFC, and that that's kind of the top of
it right now.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Before we take a break.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Actually, though, let's talk about the other biggest story of
this Sunday.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
It was the return of JJ McCarthy. It was glorious.

Speaker 17 (28:52):
A first down wins the game for you. JJ McCarthy
shotgun third and five from his own twenty eight twenty
seven to twenty four Minutnnesota Detroit with one time out remaining,
snap four man Rush McCarthy throwing right Naylor and.

Speaker 18 (29:08):
He cotage yes at the forty six yard line.

Speaker 11 (29:14):
That's a sixteen yard grab by Jalen Naylor and all.

Speaker 17 (29:19):
You Lions lovers here at forteen oh, you can head home.

Speaker 8 (29:24):
I love it.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I love everything about it. I love Paul Allen on
k f AN. I love that they got the matchup
of Jalen Naylor on Arthur Malette on a third and
five and that JJ McCarthy had the confidence to go
after it back shoulder, perfect ball, Naylor ices the game.

(29:46):
They hold on to beat the Detroit Lions twenty seven
to twenty four. Patrick, give us your big picture of
view of what kind of day JJ McCarthy had.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
It sums it up on Paul Allen's call, because it's
been a while since we've seen JJ McCarthy, justin James
McCarthy back in our lives since week two.

Speaker 8 (30:09):
It was Carson Wentz and we didn't hear.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
That that sauce, that spice from Paul Allen saying Lions
fans go home and enjoyed the rest of that Detroit
has to offer, because.

Speaker 8 (30:19):
It's that's the ballgame.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
To sum it up, where there's Jordan Addison, there's Justin Jefferson,
who dealt with some cramps in the game. They're lined
up three wide on the right side. They both won
crossers and that was the second target of the day
for Jalen Naylor. One was an interception on a ball
that McCarthy actually missed, was a little bit behind. Terry
on Ardold got his first career interception on that one,

(30:42):
but he throws that back shoulder to Jalen Naylor to
ice the game. The confidence to go with that, and
it wasn't just welcome back JJ McCarthy was welcome back
Brian Flores in a vintage of Vikings defense performance where
they made timely plays where the Lions probably didn't have
their best pitches. I know, Dan Campbell, you know, acknowledged

(31:03):
that sometimes things just go the other way, you know,
But it was a rough game for Lions, standards for them.
The guys in Purple, though, had a lot to say
about that. Jamior Gibbs David Montgomery both combined sixty five
yards on the ground. Sustained success wasn't there for the Lions.
I'm on Ross Saint Brown had some drops then he
normally converts. But the way the game started. On fourth down,

(31:25):
it's fourth and four. Dan Campbell being Dan Campbell, goes
for it. Sam Laporter catches the ball at the ten,
muscles his way into the end zone with some help
from Khalif Raymond to go in there. But JJ McCarthy
comes right back down the field. Some nice runs from
Aaron Jones, who they're glad to get back because they
look the ground game was great, but Aaron Jones would
leave with a shoulder later on in this game, McCarthy

(31:46):
hits Justin Jefferson for a fade ball, one handed snag
from JJ where we've seen he and Meek Robertson go
at it since seven on seven camps in Louisiana. Amik
got the better of him in that Week eighteen game
last year, but Justin Jefferson showed his dominance there. And
the closing sequence where the Lions do get a touchdown

(32:06):
on a ball to Jamison Williams where the Stripes thought
he stepped out of bounds but JMO stayed in extended
at the pylon for six but they left too much time.
They get the ball to JJ McCarthy and he goes down,
burns the clock out and a solid division win for
the Minnesota Vikings. In the overwrought JJ McCarthy conversation for

(32:28):
a week, Greg.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
It feels so different. You forget a week.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
This is I think a season changing type of win
because it was two starts. JJ's all that matters, and
it's just a start towards everything that they want, and
this division is suddenly very close. All four teams got
a chance here and they're four and four, but to
knock off the Lions and to do it in this way.
You mentioned the defense eleven QB hits on golf, ten

(32:53):
tackles for lost, five sacks, and then the running game
they are successful in half their runs, doubling the success
rate of the Lions who couldn't run the ball at all.
And maybe maybe it is all from that confidence from
the quarterback. Let's actually look at uh JJ McCarthy's arrival.
If you're if you're watching us on YouTube, we appreciate
you all, and uh like subscribe, do the thing and

(33:15):
just watch how awkward this is. He's coming in, you know,
with his work shirt that that symbolizes that he's a
working man. He sees the dude Tom Pelisaro gets a
fist bump and then KOs gets it. I really just
wanted to show this partly for the shirt, but I
was like, hey, we're we're work.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
We're coming here to work.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I guess it's a Michigan Wolverine thing, so it's a
callback to that. But but then giving Peliser, he had
no idea I think in that moment who Tom Piliser
was and just was like, I guess I better give
the fist bump, or maybe he did.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
And Pelisara's on the team.

Speaker 5 (33:47):
I don't know, it's it's the key and Peel sketch
with the President depths like fully fully executed there, like
a full on depth on one side and then fist
bumps for Tom p and he goes to see his
head coach.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
And I wanted to throw that in there because that's
JJ arriving, and then this is him arriving in the
locker room after the game. I just liked that they

(34:20):
were all waiting for him like a groom at like
a wedding or something.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
That was amazing.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
That's cool. I loved that Kevin O'Connell.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
These little things that build confidence for a quarterback, and
we have such a small sample size for JJ McCarthy,
but I think there were so many moments in this
game where it was this mutual ability to not only
build confidence with what you're calling for this quarterback, but
also the team doing what the plan was initially when

(34:47):
they decided they were going to go with JJ McCarthy,
which was get what they could out of a better
running game, lift the floor there, really play very very
good attacking, solid defense, absolutely seven percent pressure rate on
Jared Goff attacking defense at one point with only one
down In between these two plays, you saw Javon Hargrave

(35:09):
get into the backfield for a tackle for loss in
the run game. Then you saw Harrison Smith bat down
a Jared Goff pass when coming off the edge on
a blitz. That was the Brian Flores experience in a
nutshell today and it was back and they needed to
be because this was what they wanted for JJ McCarthy,
not just to give him like a level runway, to
continue to stack days together, to get more experience to

(35:30):
play football, and then to lift the entire floor around
him if things didn't necessarily go his way, and I
thought for the most part they did go his way.
As a passer, he made some excellent throws today and
I loved that Kevin O'Connell put it in his hands
to ice out the game, to try to make that difficult, level,
low probability throw outside shoulder to Jalen Naylor on the

(35:51):
perimeter to ice out the game. All of these things
together in combination, really go such a long way for
a quarterback that is trying to actually be in the
NFL and put positive games together.

Speaker 5 (36:03):
And I think we saw the glimpses of why you
can be hopeful and believe because I had openly wondered,
I'm s having this conversation with Greg, like where's the
place that JJ McCarthy excels, like athletically, how do we
evaluate him? And I was skeptical there and Greg Rosenthal's like, no,
JJ's an athlete. He showed it today on that touchdown
run where Jack Campbell has gotten everything in his vicinity,

(36:24):
puts a move on Jack Campbell at the five and
then it looks like Brian Branch is gonna smash him
at the pylon and he evades that just enough to
go in standing up where you can see like you
get JJ McCarthy out on the edge. That is an
athlete making plays where I'm in.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
That was the moment where I was like, that was
not happening over the last time Carson wentz five or
six weeks, two guys, and like, I don't think you
can overstate like the Flora's game plan because Eric Wilson,
their linebacker, had five quick pressures today, don't I just
counted up. They had sixteen quick pressures, which is under
two and a half seconds as a team, which is

(37:01):
as might be the highest that I've seen all season.
And it's close to being up there, and just percentage wise.
JJ McCarthy actually was pressured at a higher rate, but
that's partly because he was holding onto the ball a lot.
But the Lions also got a million quick pressures too.
So this was a game where both offensive lines were
losing in terms of the passing game. And for the
Vikings to come out on top in a matchup that

(37:22):
Dan Campbell has owned, I think it's a really big
statement win in the middle of this season.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
And there's gonna be more shuffling up front for the Lions.
Christian Hockey got carted off in the order. Dan Campbell
says he was going to be out for some time there,
so so more changes up front for the Lions where.

Speaker 8 (37:39):
They just started getting people back up front. Now it's
back to the shuffle.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
So the Vikings, they don't forget about us in this
NFC North race. We will get to the Packers a
little later with Shookie in the show. But yeah, Lions
fall to six and two and let's take a break
and on the other side, we will go to our
favorite weekly segment. Yes it's the Cincinnati Bengals defense helps

(38:05):
to create the game of the year.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Of the week again.

Speaker 19 (38:14):
Bears cannot stop the clock with a timeout.

Speaker 8 (38:17):
Bring there.

Speaker 19 (38:18):
Those safeties are back deep, but Unja motions left.

Speaker 8 (38:22):
They're blitzing.

Speaker 19 (38:22):
It's picked up Caleb Crose middle of the field, love
and catch breaks away the thirty love the twenty gul
the ten buil an end zone touchdown Bears Colston Lovelin
on a throw by kayleb. Williams HiT's a fifty eight
yard strike to the Michigan rookie had his second touchdown today.
He outran the Bengals here in the jungle. The Bears

(38:46):
have the lead again.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Jeff Zoniak on w mv P man fourth quarter, three
touchdowns after the two minute warning only in Cincinnati, forty
seven to forty two. Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson breathe

(39:11):
a sigh of relief and yeah, Jeff Joniak on WMVP
is loving every minute of it, and Bengals fans are thinking,
how did that happen?

Speaker 2 (39:22):
Again?

Speaker 4 (39:22):
The Fungals for the Bengals, whoopsies. A game that featured
all offense and very very little defense, including eight lead changes,
also got as weird as it did thanks to two
massive special teams plays. First, the game opened with a
kickoff return for a touchdown. I'm the very first play

(39:44):
by Charlie Jones of the Bengals that kicked off scoring
score again and again and again and again. They would
then late in the game, an on side kick during
the Bengals double digit fourth quarter comeback got accidentally kicked
by Daniel Hardy, a Bears player on the cover team,
even though it was short of the distance it needed
to travel, which was recovered by the Bengals, which set

(40:06):
up there go ahead touchdown to make the score forty
two to forty one. But Caleb william and Colston Lovelin,
who had caught his first touchdown of his NFL career
earlier in the game, connected on that fifty eight yard touchdown,
sending Bengals defenders pinballing off of each other and lost
in coverage. And once again it was the Bengals defense

(40:28):
letting down the offense in a wild one with just
twenty five seconds left in regulation.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
I know you have some stats. There are just so
many ridiculous stats when it comes to the Bengals defense.
So many of these.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
I have weird facts.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Go for what you were, Okay, yeah, So many of
these plays seem to include Genostone.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Not to pick on just one guy.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
But it's just like they're at a point where they
have multiple problems and they just have no one to
put in for him. But yeah, some of my stats
were their first team to allow five hundred yards, thirty
eight points and create no takeaways in a two game span. Ever,
that's just Super Bowl since the merger Super Bowl. Ever,

(41:12):
they're also the first team since the sixty six Giants
to score thirty eight points or more in back to
back games and not win any of them. And then
if you go through and this is from Jake Liscow
who does LOCKEDWN, Bengals some of the worst EPA P
play numbers of the last twenty five years. This is

(41:32):
out of eight hundred different defenses. They're the second worst overall,
worse than defensive success rate, worse than points per game,
and bottom two to four in basically any other statue
like this is a historically bad defense.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
But the Bears.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
I give them credit for taking advantage because that's what
you gotta do against historically bad defense, especially when your
defense is a little leaky late in the game.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Well, the cracks are starting to show, so first and foremost,
I want to hear from Chase Brown about that Bengals
defense letting down once again the offense because we'll get
to the weird us of the rest of the game.
But here is Chase Brown, a grumpy Chase Brown after
the game.

Speaker 20 (42:04):
We just got to play complimentary football, like we put
the ball in the end zone and go up a
point at the end, finish the game, like what was ending?
Like that's it, Like that's that's like, that's what we
need to do. Just end the game, like make them,
make them get us the ball back, let us fold
a twenty two victory, and let's end the game.

Speaker 8 (42:22):
That's how that's like, that's how I feel.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
He's not wrong, actually, because they had the offense more
than gave what it could and like I said, came
back from a double digit deficit, and especially Joe Flacco
playing on this shoulder injury and still slinging the ball
down the field, he got a huge game out of
t Higgins. Higgs got banged up at the end of
the game and left the game at the very end,
but before that he had two touchdowns, both completely insane

(42:49):
unreal gravity defying rules of physics on adhering to catches
that just did not make any sense.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
And it happened twice, and so this is the whole
This is the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
They had everything set up to even continue to like,
if they had more time, if they got the ball
back even after the Colston Lovelin touchdown, who knows what
could have happened. This offense was scoring all day long
for the Bengals against.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
The Bears defense.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
It really was whoever gets the ball last is gonna
win this game.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
They scored too fast. I thought that immediately, which is crazy.

Speaker 5 (43:21):
Well, I think in hindsight, because we see, you know,
a quarterback nearing his forties playing in game where he's
out at ac joint sprain. We weren't sure. Zach Taylor
said it was fifty to fifty, but Joe wants to play.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
He said he couldn't lift his arm over his head
during the week.

Speaker 5 (43:37):
And we saw it on the Hail Mary where I
think probably perhaps some pharmaceuticals had started to work well.

Speaker 4 (43:42):
Aditi said he got a shot right before the game
and then maybe had to have one at halftime too.

Speaker 3 (43:46):
Yikes, And so.

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Like there was that working in the Bears favor. Also,
t Higgins wasn't in the game for that hill. Mary
I would have assumed if t Higgins was still able
to play after what he did against the Bears defense,
he probably comes down with whatever ball Joe Flacco was
able to get down near or close to the end zone,
and maybe he gets in where the Bears got a

(44:08):
few gifts in that not just from the Bengals defense
on the day, who missed fifteen tackles. By the way,
they allowed one hundred and thirty five yards after miss tackles,
including thirty plus the Coleston Lovelin on the play that
winds up being the game winner. But there were so
many circumstances where Cincinnati could have won this game.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Yeah, just add four hundred Joe Flacco.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
I feel like the defense is ruining what is He's
having the Super Bowl playoff run right now and they're
not even winning games. Four hundred and seventy yards in
four touchdowns. But the Bears offense was better for most
of the Manong Guy goes for one to seventy six,
Brown goes for another thirty seven, like everything was worked.
Dj Moore at a seventeen yard touchdown run. Caleb was
effective running the ball like they were dominant in terms

(44:53):
of their offensive performance.

Speaker 4 (44:55):
Yeah, there was something strange about that I'll get to
in a minute, but basically, bottom line is we're gonna
have to start calling Kyle manung guy Kyle mcnung dude,
because it is a big time freaking football player, and
it's it's tough for DeAndre Swift that he's out. Obviously,
Ben Johnson really likes to have two running backs. And
then Britton Brown comes in and runs for a couple
explosives and a touchdown and he's like the third reserve guy.

(45:17):
So it's like this run game is really what actually
is the above average borderline elite area right now of
what this Bears offensive attack is going to be, because it
was really kind of strange.

Speaker 3 (45:27):
Otherwise, the passing game once again.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
Was start stop, start stop, really great, positive, big time
throw is being made, followed by a lot of sort
of scrambling around and guys aren't open down the field.
To the Bengals credit on defense, but then some hesitation
from Caleb Williams on whether to run or not made
some awesome plays. But what really stood out is how
Ben Johnson seemed to try to want to coach around that,

(45:52):
like Caleb Williams had two receptions, including a touchdown. He
ran four trick plays, one called back for penalty. Trick
plays counted for seventeen of the Bears points today. They
were running all kinds of different types of things, and
I wonder if it's if it's something where they're they're
trying to jolt their rhythm out of themselves a little bit.
They're trying to get out of their own heads and

(46:13):
have some fun perhaps, or maybe they just need to
disrupt their own rhythm. I don't know, but whatever it was,
the execution was good other than one that got called
back from penalty. It seems like this is a team
that really kind of thrives a little bit more when
they're doing sort of fun things like that on the
unscripted drives, which is really interesting to me because I
don't think that's necessarily sustainable, but maybe it's what they

(46:35):
do to try to just figure out how to work
on stuff together a little bit better in the passing game,
and it certainly worked today. Caleb Williams caught a pass
for a first down from Tyson Bagent, the backup quarterback.
For God's sakes, I mean, it just it was like
what is happening here today?

Speaker 5 (46:49):
They go two quarterback offense and Caleb gets a touchdown
on the Philly Special, where you wonder like the Bears
are having success only when it's weird, like only when
it's a trick play, or when Calee will be spinning
around six times and throwing on the run and going
on these galloping runs where you know the Bears thrive
in the absurd.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
They are an absurd organization the Bengals right now. And
this is if it if it was any other organization,
I would think that this is the profile of a
season that gets a coach fired. They are three and
six and they just don't have answers on on defense,
they go into their by they just keep losing these
close games that they could at least kept them alive.
The Bears get to five and three, and we will

(47:27):
stay in the a NFC and talk about a team
that's trying to stay alive in the playoff race too. Yes,
it's the the go go forty nine ers at.

Speaker 21 (47:49):
This bigger.

Speaker 2 (48:00):
Bull.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
That's Nester Rosario and Kweibna twelve eighty am Brian Robinson
part of a great rushing attack against the Giants, and yeah,
sure every team has a great rushing attack against the Giants,
but it was a get right game for this forty
nine Ers offense, especially on the ground where they get

(48:25):
one hundred and fifty nine yards thirty four to twenty four. Patrick,
what impressed you the most out of what the forty
nine Ers did today, Well, they got.

Speaker 5 (48:33):
The ball back in the hands of Christian McCaffrey extensively.
After really doing not too much in terms of volume
for CMC and a loss to the Houston Texans. They
got him the ball twenty eight tomes on the ground
for one hundred and six yards and a touchdown. He
also ran more routes than anyone. He had six catches
for sixty seven yards and a score. Also fifty three

(48:55):
yards on the ground for Brian Robinson Junior, which also
kind of mitigated the passer from the league's leading sack
artist for a time from Brian Burns. But the forty
nine Ers defense also made plays that they didn't against CJ.
Shroud and the Texans, including a turnover opportunity at the
end of the first half where Jackson Dart was holding
on for the ball for way too long. Cleveland Ferrell
took it outside rush like he's six yards into the

(49:17):
end zone and Jackson Dart steps up as if there's
nobody back there. Farrell probably could have swiped for the ball,
but he was just so excited to get a sack
opportunity he hit him from behind. They would ultimately the
forty nine ers would get the ball back with a
scoring opportunity. But then comes Brian Burns where they could
have just taken a ten point lead into the half,

(49:38):
but Kyle Shanahana had mac Jones throwing Burns one got
a handle the ball, The ball pops out, goes to
Abdul Carter, whether or not you want to call it
a whether it was a pass or a fumble. Either way,
the ball never hit the ground, but Graham Gono would
miss the kick, so it ultimately wouldn't matter, and then
the Giants would go on to finish the game five

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of twelve of third down, I'll throw it down. Jackson
Dart was three of eight of passes over ten or
more air yards, contrasted with mccorcyl Jones going now seen
of twenty four greg completing all but one of his
passes over ten or more air yards or is this.
You know, the forty nine Ers offense looked like a
fully operational squad today.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
It's not even like a story at this point. Every
week when you find out rock Perties not back, they're
just like, okay, go go win more bonus money.

Speaker 2 (50:24):
Matt Max Jones.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
Baby wait oh did that actually happen? Or are we
like there's a digitally creator is a weird like thing
going on.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
I have a couple more of just QB's names being
saying this season. Here's this one Matthew Stuffer, and then
and then we have Colleen with this one Daniel Jones.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
It's just something I've flagged and I'm kind of I
know what we're gonna get out of Patrick.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
At some point, we need more of this. I want
it dropped liberally.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
I want operatic things. I want I want some I.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Needed that after like a Daniel Jones interception today that
would have been amazing.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
This I've been pressed by this forty nine Ers team.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
It is crazy, though, to see CMC get another thirty
three touches.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
It's just I don't know, I can't. It seemed like.

Speaker 5 (51:10):
They were trying to give him a week of Okay,
we're going up against an offense that can't really do
too much and Houston maybe Christian like it's going to
be a little bit easier today, and then they lost,
so it's like, all right, to hell with all that.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
It's you, buddy, he has the most scrimmage yards of anyone.
Can you guess since when through nine weeks who had
just like a monster yards from scrimmage season, Todd Gurley,
Think about it. It's right in front of your face
here since Christian McCaffrey in twenty nineteen. You know that's

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not fair his monster Panthers season. Although Dalvin Cook also
had more yards at this point in the season, but
it's like the most touches at this point through this
part of the season of anyone in forty nine Ers history. Unfortunately,
they did have more injury problems. Mikel Williams, their first
round pick, had an ACL injury. Just when you like
can't think it can get any worse for them upfront,

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they lose their next best edge rusher edge player in
Mikeel Williams, which is really disappointing this team.

Speaker 4 (52:12):
They have to be buyers at the deadline, and it's
hard because it's they really made it clear that they
were just going to roll with a young and ascending
group of guys they wanted to develop, and they were
hoping to have you know, Nick Bosa healthy to help
bring that group along and all of this, and Michael
Williams has played well like he's grown up very quickly
and has had to and they've been able to move

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him around a lot too.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
So that's not only the.

Speaker 4 (52:37):
Part of it that's tough that he's hurt, but also
that it's multiple positions depending on the situation that he's
playing for them, and that is tough because I feel
like this team didn't want to necessarily push in on
using resources because this was a little bit of a
sprint rebuild, especially on the defensive side for them, But

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now they might have to because they're too good. They're
winning too many games they could actually make a push,
so they need more guys on the defensive side.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Yeah, it'll be it'll be a tricky one.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
I wouldn't be surprised about anything that they would do
in the next couple of days, and ultimately most teams
on balance aren't going to do as much as you expect.
We do have a couple Eagles trades to talk about
by the way we're going to wrap up all the
trading that's been happening in transactions with Shook on the
Monday Night recap. But let's listen to Brian Dable, who Look,

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they've had a lot of injuries. The defense, especially the
run defense, is terrible. It's not all on his quarterback,
his offense, but they are two and seven for the
third straight year under Brian Dable. Here is an interaction
that I've only heard described from Jordan, and I can't
wait to hear it for the first time.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Are those are those tiers of emotion or is that just.

Speaker 12 (53:52):
Who's here?

Speaker 18 (53:54):
Are Is that what?

Speaker 8 (53:56):
I'm sorry to hear what you're saying.

Speaker 2 (53:57):
Walked in here.

Speaker 10 (53:57):
It looks like there are tears coming out of your eyes.

Speaker 8 (54:00):
No, that's just all No, No, it wasn't tears.

Speaker 5 (54:06):
What There's zero redness in Brian Dabel's eyes there at
that point, like it could be a vizing commercial.

Speaker 4 (54:14):
Yeah, And to me, that feels more like, shouldn't you
be crying right now?

Speaker 2 (54:18):
Yeah? You gotta be. You gotta be sure if someone
was crying, I don't.

Speaker 8 (54:22):
Know what a bizarre interaction he.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I'm gonna I'm gonna give dable to win here. I mean,
his eyes are twinkling a little, but he did not
look like a man who had just emoted much of
anything other than.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
No, he's clearly dead in side.

Speaker 1 (54:36):
See the I mean, he's got a lot of emotions,
but I don't think he.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Was crying scale.

Speaker 8 (54:42):
That's jovial. They just lost.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Yeah, weird.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (54:49):
I feel like if you I always trust to beat reporters. Okay,
so if if whoever asked that question saw him saw
a man cry, then you saw a man cry, all right, now,
that man can did not, I said, tears, that's within
his right.

Speaker 3 (55:02):
I'm always just like a feel your feelings, girlly.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Though he did respond in a way that you would
respond if you had been crying.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Oh wait what?

Speaker 8 (55:09):
Oh me?

Speaker 2 (55:10):
He literally asked who is crying? And then he was like, I.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
Didn't hear you. Well, we'll break this down further.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Like that, I didn't hear you.

Speaker 4 (55:17):
As a classic, I need a second to think about
what I want to respond to this.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
I think he was so shocked by the absurdity of
the sequence that he was legitian.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
Was I crying and I just blocked out this.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Team is this team is dead? It's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
We're back to like Wandell Robinson getting eleven targets for
forty six yards, or back to Jackson darts like the
leading rusher. Even the defensive wine isn't doing anything back
Jones has a you know, he's getting rid of the
ball so quickly.

Speaker 3 (55:45):
This is how bad it's gotten.

Speaker 4 (55:46):
My dear friend Charlotte Carroll, who covers the Giants, did
not ask that question. Covers the Giants for the athletic
Wayward camera Man's like accidentally smacked her in the head
with his camera outside of a scrum. Today's big ice
pack got the selfie of the big ice pack on
her head. That's how bad it's gotten in the meadow lands.

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That's where we're at it. They're taking out the reporters.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
At this time.

Speaker 1 (56:11):
It's just too familiar. Unfortunately, losing becoming familiar to the
New Orleans Saints as well. Although they haven't had a
season quite like this in a long time, the Rams
nically haven't had a season quite like this in a
long time either. A fast start for the hometown team
here right across the street.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Tied end right into the boundary.

Speaker 9 (56:32):
Three receivers left from that group Nikoua in motion out
to snap play action.

Speaker 17 (56:35):
Stafford on platform, sets the laces and drives one.

Speaker 18 (56:39):
Down the right sideline cut by Nakula. Touch down away
he knocks over the pylon on a dazzling darts from
Matthew Stafford thirty nine yards in La smashing the easy button.

Speaker 10 (56:57):
Three touchdowns on the board in the first half.

Speaker 22 (56:59):
Let's just Afford strikes again.

Speaker 9 (57:01):
Welcome back pookin.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
The kuah ooh, smashing the easy button, jab long with
the good stuff on k SPN.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Maybe I'll call it the year candidate Rams roll thirty
four to ten.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
It was a great weekend for the uh the Rams Dodgers.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Lover in your life, like my wife.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
Emmica, tell me, Jordan, what you found most interesting in
a completely one sided.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
Game that I guess we could have seen coming.

Speaker 3 (57:31):
Yeah, good point, we did, Yes, we did.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
I spent the whole morning thinking we had picked the
Packers as our survivor and that we had lost.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
Well, Greg, I could tell you what I found most
interesting about this absolute tail whooping at the hands of
the La Rams.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
But why tell you when I could tell you in
a poem?

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Oh wow, A Matthew.

Speaker 4 (57:55):
Stafford no look dig a touchdown pass to Big Rig Higgs.
Heavy personnel at a statistical high, a field goal unit
that inspires deep size, a defense that is a pass
rushing bazooka.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
Can we please, at.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
All costs protect Puka Nikua. And that's what happened today
in the Rams game.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Yes, yes, very good. That's how you know it was
a blowout. Jordan had time.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
To write a whole poem.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Write a poem.

Speaker 20 (58:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Pokin Akua left.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
The game with a chest injury after completing the most
common play in the Sean McVay playbook, fourth and one sweep,
fourth and one sweep to his rugged wide receiver. Which
it's hard to say, like, oh I put him at
risk in this game. It was fairly early in the game.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
I mean, that's it is. What Pukinikua does is play content.

Speaker 4 (58:47):
Yeah, that's like the that's the we are going to
convert this play all year for them, So I don't
have any issue with the play call there. But yeah,
I want to talk about the heavy personnel. The Rams
were thirteen personnel per next Gen I'm thirty five seventy
seven offensive plays and they had a fifty one percent
success rate four touchdowns out of this personnel grouping. All
four of their tight ends at different points were activated,

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including the rookie Terrence Ferguson, who made some big plays.
This is exactly what they want to show that they
can do if they're just trying to close a game
immediately out of the gate, which they knew they could
do against this sort of woebegone Saints team, and they
wanted to try to do this. Take all the teeth
out of any sort of defensive scheme that Seaw mcfay's
former colleague Brandon Staley might have been trying to cook

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up against them. Just none of that was even a
They was not feasible for the Saints out of the
gate because they mashed them out of thirteen personnel all game.
It's like this is a multiple team in the best way,
because this is a November multiple team. It's not just
the sort of style points team that we've seen in
the past from the rams, like this is a heavy,

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run it up, your you know what team. Right now,
they're a great team.

Speaker 2 (59:59):
Trying not to get beat there. George, I know, go up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
I'm always so worried about that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
You found out, Yeah, it can't it can't go in.
You can say it, but it can't go It can't
be going in and.

Speaker 23 (01:00:12):
It was going up, so like, yeah, so that that
would get you beaved one hundred percent of the time
where you know, we can't even say the name of
the ideal segment there because it would lead to a
beef Eric I to have to do any more excess work.

Speaker 8 (01:00:24):
But the start for Tyler Shuck.

Speaker 5 (01:00:28):
Look good in spots where you know, things got protected
up and Shuck was able to find both Chris o'lave
and Rashid Shahid offers some big completions, a nice, relatively
nice Juwan Johnson game, but it was just there's a
talent disparity. You know, the touch over matched in multiple
spots where this game was was over early, and despite that,

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Matthew Stafford was taking steps four minutes to go for
some reason.

Speaker 8 (01:00:54):
I don't know why, but.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
Yeah, there was a while where it sad. Saints were
getting a lot of pats on the back for you know,
if you watch them every week, they're like they're actually
looking pretty competitive in everything, and then now that's that's gone.

Speaker 8 (01:01:05):
This is the least composing.

Speaker 4 (01:01:06):
That was your Jordan impression. I feel like you could
have given it more effort, like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
We've also, I've said that in a million time.

Speaker 1 (01:01:11):
I feel like every person that covers football has kind
of made that point this year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:14):
Unfortunately it hasn't been true. The last couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Tyler Shock did make a couple of good throws, but
they could not do anything consistently. They made some really
strange calls. They had Taysom Hill in shotgun on the
fourth and goal, uh so basically saying to the entire world, Hey,
the quarterback's going to run it, and then they put
him in the gun further away from the goal line
than maybe he should be in that play. I do
want to actually shout out because I've been talking about

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the Rams secondary, particularly on the perimeter, as really one
of the few weaknesses that this defense has had. And
I'm really impressed with Emmanuel Forbes and how he's developed.
And I remember last season when Emmanuel Forbes got to
the Rams as a late season acquisition after a really
bad experience with the Commanders, and I was walking over
to the locker room and Aubrey Pleasant, the DB's coach,

(01:01:59):
came out of the cafeteria era area, and I said Hey,
what do you think about Emmanuel Forbes? And he stopped
and he looked at me and he smiled, and he
goes just watch. They were so confident in him finally
putting all of this together, and they need him to
do it with a Kello Witherspoon out and Darius Williams
banged up. He had three pass deflections and interception in
the fourth quarter. But to me, most impressive because he
is a narrowly built man, right, and so his third

(01:02:24):
down hit on Taysom Hill in space where you have
to come down and crash like they always want their
perimeter corners to do.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
He had a great game.

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
So I just wanted to give him a little kudos
because I've been pretty hard on that ram secondary over
the last several weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Yeah, the luxury.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
They didn't even play Roger McCreery at cornerback in this game.
He did play on special teams. So they just acquired
via trade because they didn't need to. And they only
had forty total snaps on defense, so they'll be nice
and fresh for next week. You said they're built for
late in the season. That's what I was referring to
at the beginning, saying we haven't seen Rams seasons like
this because they've so often been having to catch up
after a slow start. But they're six and two, that's

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the first n win of the year, and yet they
prevent the Saints from running the ball at all. The
Saints had a seven percent success rate while the Rams
ran for one hundred and seventy one yards. You do
not see that very often. Let's stick in Los Angeles
and talk about the team on the road today, the
Chargers trying to get another victory.

Speaker 22 (01:03:22):
Here he is, Herbert takes the toss, rolls to his
right looking for a Conkey, and.

Speaker 11 (01:03:27):
Herbert in the eisode held in fact touchdown Chargers Justin
Herbert's first rushing touchdown of the season, the thirteenth of
his career, and a little bit of history here, dj
he is now tied Hall of Fame quarterback John Adel

(01:03:47):
for the most such performances in Charger history.

Speaker 22 (01:03:51):
The twelfth time he's thrown hand rushed for one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Absolute style by Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
He's out how when he did that slide.

Speaker 1 (01:04:03):
I thought of you immediately, Jordan, just how he's been
just throwing like a little extra and we could have
run that highlight a little extra and given Daniel Jeremiah
some love, but no, Eric just shut him down. We
do have a forties and free agents. With DJ coming
up later this week, maybe we'll talk Chargers. They win
twenty seven to twenty in a game that probably shouldn't

(01:04:24):
have been as close. Herbert throws a pick six right
off the bat to Mary d k who has a chance,
I think to be the All Pro returner this year.
Great kick returner, and today he had a punt return touchdown,
gets fourteen points on the board for the Titans, but
the Chargers win anyways, and that slide touchdown for Herbert,

(01:04:44):
to me just shows what this game was all about.
It was a ninety nine yard drive after they stuffed
the Titans over and over on the goal line, and
that's not a defense that you think is going to
be able to do that, but they were just tougher
than the tight and stuff him a couple times. And
on that ninety nine yard drive, Herbert at one point

(01:05:05):
decides to try to pick up a first down by
taking on head first a defensive end and falling forward
a solid four like yards like he got the leverage
on the defensive end of the Titans and picked up
twelve or thirteen yards. He had a one hundred percent
success rate running the ball today, eight for eight, one

(01:05:25):
hundred percent until his kneel down at the very end
of the game. And as part of that ninety nine
yard drive also a third and four where he just
completes an absolutely beautiful back shoulder throw down the field
to Quinton Johnston. So to me, this was, hey, Herbo,
just just go and like destroy mode, and that is
how we will win a game where unfortunately, the injury

(01:05:46):
to Joe allt to me, just hangs over this team.

Speaker 10 (01:05:49):
Now.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Yeah, and so it's going to have to be more
of Herbo playing destructo ball, getting out on the edge
and having those run plays where you know you're glad
to see Quentin Johnston and get back on the end
zone actually get another catch because he got shut out
last week and I believe the week before that as well.

Speaker 8 (01:06:08):
But it's the.

Speaker 5 (01:06:09):
Injuries are mounting on the offensive line, and they already
have been coming into the season where you know they've
they've already made the adjustments and now you've got to
make an adjustment with the adjustments.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
So he Joe alt was carted off the field with
an ankle injury, which is being reported as a high
ankle sprain, but it sounds like this could be one
that requires surgery more serious. He already, you know, missed
so much time. They also lost their starting right tackle today,
Bobby Hart. Earlier in the game, Herbert was under so
much pressure even before Alt left, and I'm thinking, man like,

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even against the Titans, and it wasn't like him holding
the ball. It was Dramont Jones and I forget who
the other rusher was was just dominating with quick pressures.
They had like seven in the first quarter and a half.
And I'm thinking this is not sustainable. But also it
was kind of fun to watch. It was kind of
an incredible Herbert performance. When you go back to watch.

Speaker 4 (01:07:01):
This, yeah, I like it, and I hate it for him,
right because you know that this is not sustainable, especially
towards the postseason. You know he is not in his
later years. He's just entering his prime in my opinion.
But you still want to avoid him having to take
those hits. You still want to avoid putting him in
these crazy stressful situations. This is a team that when

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it has it all together, and when Joe All especially
is such a huge difference maker on the field. When
they're playing the type of football they want to play,
it is legitimately gorgeous in like a fear inspiring way
because of a who the quarterback is and be the
things they can do on the ground and in their
blocking surface, and it just it it seems unfair, honestly,

(01:07:44):
because it's like they have you see that the theory
and the ideation and what they're capable of, and it's
not their it's not even their fault that this just
keeps happening to them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
I was saying for so long, like every win they
get before Joe out comes back is going to cet
out double. And now we're in a position where we
don't know when he's going to be back. So this
was a pyrrhic victory. They get to six and three.
It was important to pocket it, and they did it
on a day where like, you know, Herbert's time to throw,
he's holding onto the ball forever. He's taken a lot

(01:08:15):
of sacks, but he's also throwing the ball down to
the field and making awesome plays. And your guy Trey Harris,
he's got he's got a little shit to him. Big
play where he runs over and carries three Titans defenders
to pick up a big first down late. I also
just have to ask Mike McCoy, their interim head coach,
why are you doing so many direct snaps to your

(01:08:35):
running backs? I think they went oh for five on
it today. Kim Ward is athletic, Kim Word is good,
your regular running game is good. Taji Spears looks awesome today.
And Tony Pollard's over five yards per carry. And for
whatever reason, in every big spot of this game, they
did a direct snap to the running back and I
think it went oh for four or five.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
I it was just it was driving me crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Uh sorry to the Titans one and eight to here
there Matt mney Smith called, just for the hell of it,
that Quentin Johnston catch is on the borderline to me,
a throw of the year. It's probably not there, but
it was just so beautiful. I wanted it to be
part of this show.

Speaker 22 (01:09:11):
To Herbert, they rushed four standing tall to the end,
Sol looking for que touchdown.

Speaker 11 (01:09:21):
Hugers twenty yards, Herbert to Johnston for Q his sixth
touchdown of the season for Herbert is eighteenth.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
Love that man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (01:09:33):
It was a fun game. This was fun.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
This is the part of the show where I say
goodbye to you guys, and then we welcome in Nick Zook.

Speaker 2 (01:09:41):
What are you gonna do tonight, Jordan watch more football? Okay, yes, that's.

Speaker 8 (01:09:45):
A good watch some football.

Speaker 5 (01:09:48):
Also gonna finalize the conversation, ohts on wins?

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
What atis by a pro?

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
We'll be back after the break to yes about the
biggest upset on this.

Speaker 24 (01:10:02):
Sete Fitzgerald hit the game winner against Dallas from thirty three.
Heret lambeau from forty nine for the win. Chanson the snap,
Martin the hoole. Fitzgerald drives the leg, the kick is up.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
It is good.

Speaker 24 (01:10:26):
Ryan Fitzgerald delivers and Carolina silences lambeau Field.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Oo the Panthers.

Speaker 1 (01:10:37):
They looked at my prediction of thirty three to eleven
for this.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
Game and they stuck it in my ear.

Speaker 1 (01:10:44):
That was a Nie Shroff on WRFX. Maybe the two
biggest upsets of the year, Shook have both taken place
at lambeau Field. I should have checked this. Very similar scores.
This one was sixteen to thirteen Panthers. About a month
and a half after the Browns stunned the Packers and

(01:11:06):
he had knocked them out of the one seed in
the NFC. How did this happen?

Speaker 10 (01:11:13):
Well, that Brown's one was in Cleveland, but that's neither
here nor there.

Speaker 25 (01:11:17):
The big part about this is the fact that the
Packers wasted so many opportunities and the Panthers capitalized. And
Rico Daddle proved himself as the superior back in the
Panthers backfield, and he carried the ball twenty five times
for one hundred and thirty yards and two touchdowns, and
he paced this offense and Bryce Jong only had to
complete eleven passes, and their defense played phenomenally in the

(01:11:38):
biggest spots. And everybody's gonna paint this as the Packers
playing with their food and you know, committing a number
of unforgivable mistakes and football crimes. And that's all fine,
But let's give the Panthers some credit because they battled
their tails off. They got waxed last week by the
Buffalo Bills. They had every reason in the world to
get on the plane this week and lay down again.

Speaker 10 (01:12:00):
The Packers. They did the exact opposite and come away victorious.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I mean, and they did it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
And this is I'm really going to be leaning on
you here because I only saw very little of this game,
but they did it in a day that you know,
Bryce Young ends up with like one hundred yards and
a total growner of an interception, And it really shows
a couple things. How their running game is, you know,
it travels, and it's when it's rolling, one of the

(01:12:26):
best in the league. And that the defensive improvement, even
if it's not going to be every week, is real
to the point where they could even have a game
like this. How did the Packers only end up with
thirteen points in this game?

Speaker 25 (01:12:39):
Well, they fubbled away their first possession on a very
impressive promising an impressive drive, then they settle for a
field goal in their next two trips into Panthers territory,
and essentially they wasted some opportunities to put touchdowns on
the board because they couldn't convert. And you have to
give credit to the Panthers defense for stading tall in
those situations. But it's not like the Packers couldn't move
the football. They just couldn't finish drives. And whether it

(01:12:59):
was some mystifying play calling the turnover early or the
fourth down in which it's fourth and eight and they're
feeling a little desperate and nobody's open and the Panthers
are playing fantastic coverage all the way through the scrabble drill,
Jordan Love holds on the ball for eleven and a
half seconds before he gets rid of it like.

Speaker 10 (01:13:16):
This, this is what happened, Like, yeah, the Panthers. The
Packers let the Panthers stay in the game early.

Speaker 25 (01:13:21):
They did kind of play with their food in the
first half, and that's fine. But when the second half arrived,
they realized, oh, this is we can't just flip a switch.
We can't do what we did against Pittsburgh. This this
competition that we're facing today is a little bit tougher.
The Panthers brought the fight to the Packers. The Packers
kind of took the field as if, all right, well
we're playing Carolina, will be fine, and they were not fine.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Yeah, the success rate, you know, dropping back to pass
only forty four percent, which is not great for them.
Jordan Love does not get a touchdown in this game,
twenty six or thirty seven, two hundred and seventy three yards.
And you mentioned that play, which which was symbolic of
the day. Let's let's listen to it because it was
a journey.

Speaker 15 (01:14:00):
Fourth down at eight, here we go with the Carolina thirteen.
Loving the shotgun, Wilson to his left, three receivers right,
muskrat tight end, left side of the line, snap to Love.
Love scrambles to his right, looking at by time, still looking.
Strambles back the other way. Love on the run, still
looking Watson right side.

Speaker 8 (01:14:22):
Of the end zone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
It's trucked in the end zone incomplete. I think we
got to put that on Worse Throw of the Year nominee.

Speaker 25 (01:14:30):
Now he throws it and I'm thinking, like, there's gotta
be someone there, and then the camera pans and I'm like,
there's nobody there.

Speaker 1 (01:14:34):
Well, he's pointing, and I'd have to go watch the dots.
He's pointing for the receiver to run at that angle.
There is a receiver at the back of the end
zone there. I think he might I think he might
have gone out of bounds, and so he knew he
was done anyway. So he's thinking the receiver is gonna
maybe go try to win a jump ball there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
But it's absolutely rough. We're throwing. Put it on the
list there.

Speaker 25 (01:15:00):
I gotta give a shout out to the Panthers defense
pursuing Jordan Love on that play Nick Gorton in particular,
because I watch him go left and I'm watching this
lab and I'm like, get at from Scrton, you're there,
You're this type of player, and then he changes direction
and goes left and I'm like, okay, so Gorton's lost. Oh wait,
they're scorting again. Sixty seven point six yards traveled on
that play.

Speaker 2 (01:15:18):
Wow, that is absolutely nuts.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
And yeah, he only ends up with two pressures on
the day, but they do get four from Tshaun Wharton
right after I kind of called him out during the
week as not having a great season as a free
agent pickup. And on the other side, the Packers only
get a couple of quick pressures in large part I
would assume because Bryce Song's getting rid of the ball
quickly and they're just running the.

Speaker 25 (01:15:41):
Ball yep, yep, and Avantoni man Rico Daddle has the
difference between the running game with Chuba Hubbard versus Rico
Daddles night and day. Like, I can't believe that it
took Dave Canalis this long to commit to Rico Daddle,
who outouched Hubbard I think was twenty seven to five.
That is your offense. That's what you should be doubt
Ole runs with such violence and burst.

Speaker 10 (01:16:03):
This should be your lead back.

Speaker 25 (01:16:05):
And he can pace the offense and keep them in
games like he did today.

Speaker 1 (01:16:08):
Well, it's a bad job by me not mentioning until
now that Tucker Craft left this game with a potential
torn acl because that moving forward is the biggest deal. Like, yeah,
it's not great for the Packers to take this second loss.
Remember they have the tie as well. But that's the
guy when we're talking about, well, do the Packers really
have like a guy who can can change how you're

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going to play them. Yeah, Christian Watson offers something that
other players on that team doesn't, and he had a
fifty yard plus catch today, But Kraft is the guy.

Speaker 25 (01:16:41):
And there's also the issue that when Craft is out
of the mix, Jordan Love trusts Christian Watson a little
bit too much. He threw a pass into triple coverage
that got picked off today, trying to go deep to
Christian Watson like they were in a game where they
were trying to earn the shot, play, create the big play,
force the big play, And I worry without Craft in
the mix, Watson's involvement, like love, cannot rely on him

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heavily too much if Craft is not in the mix.
So they're gonna have to kind of recalibrate if they
don't have Craft available the rest of the year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
Yeah, that is an absolute bummer, a killer. And there's
still atop the division by half a game over Detroit.
But they're letting Chicago back in, They're letting Minnesota back in,
and I do think that lowers the ceiling just a
little bit. And I'm not like that shocked because to

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quote Walker Rosenthal, my son, if Jordan was here, she'd
be should be marking, marking it down. I asked what
he thought of the Packers' uniforms today and he said,
it looks like my poop to Houston.

Speaker 21 (01:17:48):
Denver three for four on two point conversions. Nix is
under center, Sutton wide left. Here comes Pat Bryant in
motion from right to left. Now he goes back, Sutton pumps,
rolls the ball to the end zone.

Speaker 14 (01:18:01):
Catch, two point conversion is good. That's Troy Franklin with
the catch. Kaylin Bullock on the coverage. I said, we've
seen it before with this Broncos offense and Bon Knicks
at the helm. They've got a little bit of magic
to them in the fourth quarter, and we've seen it early.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
We have seen it. That was Dave Logan on KOA.
You know, it's a weird game when we go with
a two point conversion to tie it at fifteen as
the highlight. But it was my choice, you know, tick
of these chip shot field goals to win it. We've
heard it once, We've heard a thousand times, and I
think the two point conversion tells the story here, Shook
because they've hit so many of them this year, literally

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two point conversions that mattered in getting wins. That's now
five to one score win for the Broncos. He've been
in these tight games and even when Bonnicks is struggling,
they just fine enough to win it at the end,
eighteen to fifteen, the Broncos get it done.

Speaker 10 (01:18:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:18:58):
This is a game that was very icative of the
way the Broncos offense is operated for most of the season,
save for their performance against the Cowboys last week, in
that they did not find a rhythm until it really
mattered in the fourth quarter, and they were very much
a quick strike offense. Like the fact that they were
even in this game in halftime, because you go into
halftime they're trailing twelve to seven. They've possessed the ball

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for like seven and a half minutes. That's how badly
they were out possessed by Houston in the first half.
So they didn't have opportunities, But they also didn't opportunities
because they weren't giving themselves any because they weren't sustaining drives.
But when they did score, it was a quick pass
to Courtland Sutton down the side, and it was actually
a series of passes in which Nick shows off his
arm and it ends up in the hands of Sutton.
They score again in the second half, passed to RJ.

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Harvey and a wheel rout out of the backfield. He
burns Henry Tote and gets in the end zone for
a touchdown. Like they didn't need to have the ball
that long because they can do this. It's also that
they were in a war of attrition in the fourth quarter.
They forced like five straight punts from the Texans, and
it looked like the Broncos were not going to come
close to taking the lead in this game. We were
headed for overtime until Nicks dialed up the fourth quarter

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Magic had a long scrambled, I had one more scrambled.

Speaker 8 (01:20:06):
JK.

Speaker 10 (01:20:06):
Dobbins with a long run, You hit the chip.

Speaker 25 (01:20:08):
Shot field goal, you win the game that you thought, Yeah,
I don't even know if there's ever going to be
a resolution to this game.

Speaker 10 (01:20:12):
That is who the Broncos are.

Speaker 25 (01:20:13):
They don't win pretty, but they still win and they
always do it in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
That is outrageous. Six straight punts to end the game
for the Texans in the end in a game where
I'm counting it and I think they had fifteen drives
and it's just outrageous and it's so disappointing because they
started the game looking better and I know they were
long drives and that end up with field goal attempts,

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you know, taking seven and a half minutes off the
clock and then another eight play drive where they get
the field goal.

Speaker 2 (01:20:43):
But they look better when CJ. Stroud was in the game.
But c J.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
Stroud Leaves was tested for a concussion, did not come back.
His mom did send out, you know, an Instagram post
later so that CJ is good and he's smiling, So
you hope it's not something that's like a long term problem.
But they're obviously not going to win many games with
Davis Mills at quarterback, and it's just disappointing because this

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defense is playing its heart out week after week and
they're three and five.

Speaker 25 (01:21:12):
Yeah yeah, Kalin Bulloch made a nice interception deep, you know,
playing essentially playing center field. They did everything that they
should defensively to keep the Texans in the game and
give them a chance to win.

Speaker 10 (01:21:21):
But again, I.

Speaker 25 (01:21:22):
Had horrors and visions of Week two, the loss to
Tampa Bay, where you're on the goal line and you're
trying to slam it into a brick wall and you
can't get in the end zone. They did that again twice.
They did it two handoffs Nick Chubb, one to British Brooks.
Then you get flagged for a false start ursery, the
rookie gets flagged for a false start.

Speaker 10 (01:21:38):
You end up settling for a field goal. You get
back down there later.

Speaker 25 (01:21:40):
Davis Mills is in a quarterback, has one of the
worst quarterbacksneak attempts I've seen all season, although I saw
a worst one last week in a different game.

Speaker 10 (01:21:48):
And again they settled for a field goal. They missed
a field goal like it was just the.

Speaker 25 (01:21:52):
Kymi Fairborne Fairburans kicks that went in barely went in today.
They it's such a challenge with this offense, and it
is so it's just an an injustice to this defense,
like you said, because the defense is so good. Yeah,
I may keep them in these games, and they're just
not going to be able to do enough to keep
them in there without CG.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
I mean, the best offense for the Broncos passes out
of the backfield to Harvey, who leads them in receiving.
At one point, bo Nicks I wrote this down was
seven for nineteen for eighty one yards. But when it's
money time, he gets the scramble lay, he hits a
third and eleven pass lay. Like it just keeps happening
this way despite the inefficiency. Six targets for Courtland sutten,

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he catches one, ten targets for Troy Franklin, he catches four,
and the Broncos don't really care because they just keep.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Catching W's seven and two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
And with the Chiefs loss, you know, a couple games
ahead of Kansas City. I know, I know the Chargers
are only one back, but I think they're loving that
they're two games up on the Chargers and I'm not
crossing off the Texans at three and five, but they
need CG. Stroud to get back healthy, and they got
to figure out how to get a yard when they
absolutely need it. You know who else doesn't get a
yard when they need it? The Las Vegas Raiders, or

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to be more specific, at the end of this game,
two yards.

Speaker 16 (01:23:08):
Here we go from the two yard line to two
point converge out of town. Gino Smith drops, looks, looks.

Speaker 2 (01:23:13):
Looks, pump fake.

Speaker 18 (01:23:14):
Five, look down, look down, hook down.

Speaker 2 (01:23:19):
Come on, Hevilton, knock it down.

Speaker 26 (01:23:21):
It's so good to Jaguars win it so Jeff warts witted?

Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
How good is that?

Speaker 1 (01:23:27):
That's what I'm talking about. Frank Franzi, You've gotta have
a game winning play. Let's give us some energy. Let's
have a voice crack. Good job by the spotter in
that radio booth, unless it was Frank picking that up quickly,
getting Devon Hamilton's name out really quickly, identifying, because man,
I swear Devon Hamilton must be three hundred and twenty pounds,
but it felt like he was in the air forever.

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He's just a tall man because he was his hands
were up for like four seconds.

Speaker 2 (01:23:53):
I was like, Gino, don't you do? You see him?
But it's not to be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
The Jaguars win a crazy game thirty to twenty nine.
It was nine to six entering the fourth quarter, and
the game ended overtime.

Speaker 2 (01:24:05):
Thirty to twenty nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Both Gino Smith and Trevor Lawrence, who've taken a lot
of slings and arrows this year, had about six straight
legacy drives where they ended in touchdowns. Unfortunately, Gino needed
a two point or two to end it. Pete Carroll
thankfully didn't want the tie. What do you even make
of this game and the Jaguars escaping and now five

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and three on the season, What.

Speaker 10 (01:24:29):
Do I make of it?

Speaker 25 (01:24:30):
I think the Jaguars demonstrated that you can, in fact,
kee contributions from absolutely everybody and win a one point
game on the road, a game that you did nothing
in the first half except Trevor threw a pick.

Speaker 10 (01:24:42):
In the end zone to Isaiah Poulam.

Speaker 25 (01:24:44):
Now, and yet Cam Little hits a sixty eight yard
field goal, by the way, NFL new record longest field
goal to give you three points going into half. A
little bit of life, right, and then you come out
of halftime and you go I believe you go field goal, touchdown, touchdown, goal,
touchdown the rest of the game. And they needed every
single one of those scorers to keep pace with the

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Raiders offense that suddenly found a way to move the
football itself when they go field goal, touchdown, touchdown, end
of the of regulation, touchdown. Thirteen points scored in overtime,
most points ever scored in overtime, first time both teams
have scored a touchdown in overtime with these new rules.
This was a game that was sleepy and was suddenly
wide awake and just rolling on energy drinks through the

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fourth quarter and overtime. And when it comes to the
Jaguars like they traves etn really ran the ball well,
facial Tooton ran the ball, you know, aggressively, especially getting
to the end zone in the second half. Parker Washington
was there to make all these catches underneath, you know,
just no matter where he was, his hands were great.

Speaker 10 (01:25:44):
He was very consistent.

Speaker 25 (01:25:45):
Brian Thomas Junior not a big factor in this game,
but catches a huge pass in the fourth quarter to
get the Jags in field goal range.

Speaker 10 (01:25:52):
For Little to hit that field goal.

Speaker 25 (01:25:53):
Logan cooked, the punter has to take a low snap
and recover the low snap just in time for Kim
Little to hit the game tying field goal. Complete contributions
from everybody offense, special teams, a little bit of defense.

Speaker 10 (01:26:05):
They come away with the one.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Yeah, we're back to MESSI fun for this Jaguars team. Now,
Brian tapis junior and ankle injury. He did return, Did
he finish the game?

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Do you know?

Speaker 21 (01:26:15):
Did?

Speaker 10 (01:26:15):
He returned and made that catch?

Speaker 25 (01:26:16):
But then after that there was basically no like real
contributions from him.

Speaker 1 (01:26:21):
So Parker Washington is their wide receiver one in this game. Look,
they did not have much of a pass rush on
Gino Smith, who throws four touchdowns and has two hundred
and eighty four yards, and whenever he needed to play
late he got it and they almost all were to
brock Bowers.

Speaker 2 (01:26:37):
What a difference.

Speaker 1 (01:26:38):
Brock Bowers makes a healthy brock Bowers twelve for one
to twenty seven and three touchdowns, and on that last
touchdown that he had not not the one in overtime,
rather the one at the end of regulation. And yet
they scored with under two minutes to go to take
the lead by three man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
The juice that he has.

Speaker 1 (01:26:56):
I just don't know if I've seen a tight end
run as fast on the field as Rock Bowers.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
He just is so smooth. It's great.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
I know there's been faster forty times, like Vernon Davis
or whoever. But like on the field, he he is
just different. Unfortunately, like that, that was their whole offense
was him and Genti, who was pretty good out of
the backfield too.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
They don't have a running game. I mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
The Raiders just could not get the ball in on
the goal line early and they end up settling for
a field goal from like the one yard line or something.
It's just, man, they make just enough mistakes and then
they just give you a little bit of hope. I
thought Gino was gonna pull.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
One out here.

Speaker 25 (01:27:36):
Yeah, but it was still really nice to see them
actually put points on the board with Rock Bowers back
in the mix. Like that's how depressing this offense was
without him. Ninety five sol of yards and that thirty
one or other thing lost to the Chiefs. They go
into the Bie week, they come out, Bowers is back,
he finally looks healthy for the first time since Week one,
and suddenly they can score again. Now it took him
just to get to the second half to really be
able to score. But they still did, and it at

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least gives you like a bit of evidence Gino's really.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
Not that bad.

Speaker 25 (01:28:01):
It's just that they don't really have any options and
they can't run the ball. And now that you get
brock Bowers back in the mix, at least things get
a little entertaining.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
I'm not gonna say that Geno's back quite yet. Not
a lot of pass rush for the Jaguars, which I
think is a concern. Geno also had one groaner of
an interception, which he does basically every week. So not
much pass rush for the Jaguars. And yeah, if you
look at the win probability chart for this game, it
was just awesome. It was like a seismograph of a

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giant earthquake or just a horrible lide detector test. Once
you got in like past halftime, it was absolutely outrageous
as they just answered touchdown for touchdown, and we should
mention a little history was made.

Speaker 2 (01:28:47):
Let's listen to the call of yeah, Cam Little.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
Setting the all time record in a game they only
one by one. The longest field goal ever now belongs
to Cam Little.

Speaker 16 (01:28:58):
So here we go a sixty eight yarder from the
left hash kind of a hold from Logan Cook, Logan
puts it down, Cam Little kicks it up. The sixty
eight yard field.

Speaker 2 (01:29:09):
Goal is good.

Speaker 13 (01:29:14):
Drill from sixty eight the yards for the last play
and a half, how good is that? Cam Little from
sixty eight yards?

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
Can we've reached the hall.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
Hey, this season very much does not end today. Someone
could pass Cam Little before the end. He Cam Little
could pass Cam Little before the end of the season
because that thing was good from seventy three. You can
put Trey Tucker back there. He's not returning anything. That
thing's going through the uprights. But if the season did
end today, took the Jacksonville Jaguars would be in the
playoffs at five and three over the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:49):
So there's something to be happy. It's a race.

Speaker 25 (01:29:51):
It's a race to the playoffs for the Jaguars, and
much like the space race, we also have a kicking
race going on. Now. Don't don't think that this is
gonna be last time somebody tries to break that record.

Speaker 1 (01:30:00):
The Raiders fall to two and six, you can cross
them out, and unfortunately, I think you can cross out
the home team on Sunday Night Football two to Sunday Night.

Speaker 10 (01:30:10):
Donald slows things down.

Speaker 8 (01:30:13):
Ball at the forty yard line of Seattle. Play fake
to Walker. Donald's gonna roll.

Speaker 16 (01:30:18):
He's got his man.

Speaker 26 (01:30:19):
It's why breaks your tackle going down the far sidelunch
he could go.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
He is in for a touchdown.

Speaker 26 (01:30:26):
Seahawks sixty yards and the Seahawks twenty seven nothing over
Washington on Sunday Night Football.

Speaker 1 (01:30:37):
Holy Catfish, it's one of our favorites. Steve Rayball on
k I r Oh and Man. The Seahawks put it
on the Commanders on Sunday Night Football thirty eight to fourteen.
That was part of a dizzying second quarter where the

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Seahawks went from seven to nothing to twenty eight nothing
in the span of about five minutes. They had two
touchdowns at one point eleven seconds apart. And I've said
it a lot on this program. I think the Seattle
Seahawks are the best team in the NFC. We'll see
if they make the Super Bowl, but they're one of
the big contenders.

Speaker 2 (01:31:19):
Thirty eight to fourteen. They win to get to six
and two. Unfortunately, Shook.

Speaker 1 (01:31:25):
The biggest story in this game is Commander related, and
it's Jaydeen Daniels suffering an elbow injury in the fourth
quarter of that game, thirty eight to seven. It did
not look good, to put it mildly. We're taping this
immediately after the game, so we don't have official word,
but we won't expect to see Jayden and Daniels anytime soon.

(01:31:46):
And I think it's absolutely fair to wonder why was
he in thirty in the game, down thirty eight to
seven in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 25 (01:31:54):
It's especially fair to wonder that given all the injury
issues that they're already dealing with. They are already very
thin on both sides of the ball at multiple positions.
They lost you know, they don't have Terry mccluurin, they
lost Luke McCaffrey tonight. You can keep going down the list.
It's a long one. So that makes me think, yeah,
why was he out there? But I can also see

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the side of it in which you're trying to, you know,
get something going, put something good together because it was
such a lopsided game. You'd like just a little bit
of momentum taking it forward, because you know, we're still
this halfway through the season.

Speaker 10 (01:32:26):
But I agree, and hindsight's twenty twenty, so we can
all be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:29):
Like, first we were in there watching and if you
go and look, I saw, like Charles McDonald, a couple
other people were questioning it even before that. We were
talking about it in the theater here, like why is
he in that game to start the drive? And one
of the reasons why is because he was not protecting himself.

Speaker 2 (01:32:47):
He was getting hit a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:32:49):
And it was one of my big takeaways from this
game is his eye level came down in the second
half of the game, maybe really throughout where if that
first read wasn't there, he was looking around little panicked,
and he was often getting out of the grasp of
Seahawks defenders and then gaining like three yards and taking

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hits and going up the middle and just out of
the grass. And he ends up running ten times in
this game for fifty one yards, and that play it's
like a it's an RPO, you know, near the goal line.

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
That's not a play call. That's protecting your guy.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
And I just hate that they're so careful with these
players in training camp and then the preseason and then
you're down thirty eight to seven. I say it, no
matter who's the quarterback, much less Jaydon Daniels who's had
the injuries, and so I don't think I'm just guessing
the result.

Speaker 2 (01:33:38):
It's just frustrating. I think that was the lowest.

Speaker 1 (01:33:41):
That was the worst moment of the season, because they're
a crossedoff team now because of it, and they're just
you know, you just hate it for the young man
who's now had three different big injuries this season, and
it's gonna be gonna be a lot less fun watching
this Commanders team the rest of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:33:57):
It's gonna be Mariota at quarterback.

Speaker 10 (01:34:00):
Yeah, you know, it's probably the worst four quarters.

Speaker 25 (01:34:02):
Any team's experienced all season if you think about it,
just the lopsided result, the way that they were dominated,
you know, by the Seahawks on both sides of the ball,
and then you lose your star quarterback, a guy who's
already miss multiple games with multiple injuries. I just it
really can't get much worse than that. You could see
the look of despair on his teammates faces, whether it's
zach ertz Adebo.

Speaker 10 (01:34:19):
Samuel or even Dan Quinn just realizing.

Speaker 25 (01:34:21):
Oh my god, this already bad situation in what was
supposed to be such a promising exciting season has just
gotten infinitely worse because we've lost our best player possibly
for the season.

Speaker 10 (01:34:32):
Not good. Not good.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Okay, let's spin it back to the Seahawks, because I
do love watching this team play. This uniform matchup was
ten out of ten. Love the Seahawks uniforms. Love the
Washington old school get up. So that was fantastic. And
Sam freaking Darnold shows up and I know the Commanders

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defense isn't great, but he was sixteen for sixteen at
one point with four touchdowns. I mean, that's just it's
one of the best first halfs you can possibly have,
and he's getting protected. And that's not to take anything
away from him. Charles Cross is playing great. Abe Lucas
is playing great. There's some plays where he just sees

(01:35:16):
the matchup and he gets the ball out so fast.
The Jackson Smith and Jigba who had eight catches for
one hundred and twenty nine yards, almost all of them
in the first half, and Tory Horton has a couple
of great moves, ends up with a couple touchdowns. Kenneth
Walker gets it going. Just this team to me is
the best so far. I'm not saying they're the most

(01:35:37):
likely to win the Super Bowl, but the best team
I've seen so far this season because I think they
can be so explosive on either side of the ball.
Best defense in the league, I think, top to bottom,
and the explosion in terms of the passing game tonight
was there to be hold.

Speaker 2 (01:35:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:35:53):
And we've watched Sam Darnold, you know, fund success and
thrive in this offense all season, and we've talked about
how he fits the style of what you know, Clint
Kobat wants to do with this offense, which is why
it's such a perfect marriage, and how he's you know,
power helping Jackson Smith and Jigmicket off to the hottest start.
I believe that you said you've ever could ever remember
for a receiver in the first.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Half, yeah, which is probably like Getty ahead of myself.
They're worse every week.

Speaker 10 (01:36:16):
He's one hundred plus yards, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
But then you think about it and like Calvin Johnson
once had a half season, like Antonio Browns had his runs.
But either way, he is clearly the best receiver in
the league this year, and and it's it's just incredible.

Speaker 5 (01:36:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 25 (01:36:29):
But you know what the cool thing about this team
is is how their defense is kind of evolved as
we've gone week by week. They went from a team
that was okay, you can see the potential there and
you obviously have the defensive mind of Mike McDonald, but
there were some you know, missing parts where riek Oulan
wasn't playing well and they were going to replace some
of Josh job and and you know things that needed
to be a juster rever. Now they've become this like
aggressive blitzing defense and they can cometch.

Speaker 10 (01:36:52):
You from a number of different ways.

Speaker 25 (01:36:53):
They had a pressure rate that was north of fifty
five percent tonight on Jayden Daniels, and it was because
not just because they're good at getting after the passer,
but the way that they scheme up these blitzes to
where he might try to adjust the protection or something,
and next thing you know, you've got a guy swooping
around on a stunt, or a linebacker or a dB
coming through an open lane free rusher and you had
no idea he was going to be coming from that direction.

(01:37:15):
That's what really makes them so impressive because they have
the personnel, they have the defensive mind to scheme them
up right, and the offense is working so well, my
only question Greg, can they because they love to build
out of you know, under center, a little bit of
play action stuff like that, can they run the ball
consistently enough for it to travel? Getting way ahead of
myself in the postseason because they're going to get there.

Speaker 8 (01:37:36):
Yeah, but can they be great? Part?

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
Well, it hasn't been great. Even tonight. It wasn't It
wasn't perfect. I think that's that's fair to point out.
But when you have seven different players with at least
three pressures, I mean that is incredible. Yeah, and nick
emm and Worrie is just turned into this just great
chess piece that they're using. And it was terrific to
see Devin Witherspoon out there making some big run stop.

Speaker 2 (01:37:58):
So this is a wagon.

Speaker 1 (01:38:00):
I've been surprised to see that like boy Mafe and
Reek Willen might be available on the trade market really why.
I know they might not be part of the long
term future, but unless you're trading player for player, we'll
see the Seahawks this is a year to push because
they've got some older players on their defense.

Speaker 2 (01:38:17):
Take advantage while you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Washington is a good reminder that you never know what's
gonna happen next season, and I think we can cross
them off three and six. All right, let's talk about
tomorrow night. Just quickly, me and you little Cardinals, little cowboys.
We're gonna be live on YouTube. We want all the
NFL Daily listeners who are with us to the end

(01:38:40):
of the recap show come join us in the chat
because we're gonna talk about that game. But we're also
going to talk about the trade deadline. Deals will start
to happen on Monday, so I think we'll have a
lot to already talk about, and we'll talk about maybe
what's gonna be ahead. We're gonna have a special trade
deadline show on Tuesday. We'll talk a little bit about
Chris Career. The Dolphins fired their general manager since we

(01:39:04):
last taped. I think that's a bigger deal than people
even realize, a total sea change from the last two decade.
I regretted that I forgot to mention by the way
Travis Hunter went to injured reserve, that was a big
problem for the Jaguars. Will they make a move perhaps
at wide receiver Jalen Wattle could now be available because
they got rid of the GM in Miami, and you
saw with the national reports today. Some interesting names are

(01:39:27):
out there, including the BTJ.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
Stuff just keeps.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Happening, Jay R Alexander already went to Philadelphia. By the way,
We've had some interesting moves and yeah, we'll talk about
it then. Looking forward to Senia Chookie, go go watch
some more games.

Speaker 25 (01:39:40):
Okay, yeah, we got we got taped to grind and
we got news to get through Tomorrow it's gonna be
a wild one.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
Okay, let's go for Jordan Rodrigue.

Speaker 1 (01:39:48):
I mean, who know who knew she was going to
be the poet laureate of NFL Daily. Great job there, Yeah,
I guess if I was going to pick someone who
would be here. She did a great job with that.
Patrick was awesome as always. Yeah, the injuries stink, but man,
we had a fun Sunday. We will see you on
Monday night.

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