November 6, 2025 • 51 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue, Patrick Claybon, and Steve Wyche to preview all of the late game and primetime Week 10 action from around the NFL. The crew starts with Eagles at Packers on Monday Night Football (01:08) followed by Rams at 49ers (10:42), Steelers at Chargers on Sunday Night Football (25:43), Lions at Commanders (28:17) and Cardinals at Seahawks (34:14). The show is wrapped up with a conversation about the conversation (43:30).
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to listen to
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on one of the games
of the year. We've been needing a good primetime game lately.
I know we had Packers Steelers, but like I just
feel like they've been wanting.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yea, and we want we want football, and we want
you to listen to the best of NFL because if
you're listening to us and you didn't hear the first
half of the show, you could have heard stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like this, Booty is is massive? Is that really what
I sound like?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, Gret, Greg, I regret to inform you to hear
that again, Booty is is massive.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I mean it didn't lie. Well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My favorite part of the audio was you said sneakily first. Yeah,
where it's like the these Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Sometimes you know you're not expect but yeah, sometimes it happens,
just like, Oh, Moody's massive. Moody is massive. Got all
that back in there. Didn't know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
We got all this ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, Greg reference that the Philadelphia Eagles on the road
at Green Bay where the Packers just lost to the
Carolina Panthers. The Packers favored against the defending Super Bowl
champions by two and a half. The over under is
forty five and a half. It is Joe, it is
Troy and Jordan Rodrigue. It's an opportunity for us to
see the Philadelphia Eagles after taking a break. It's like
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all that consternation week in and week out, we're delving
through Instagram.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
The Eagles just disappeared. Now they're back.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's like it never even happened. Patrick Saquon Barkley said,
they all got away from each other for a little bit,
and hey, guess what. Just like the local media there
has been saying all year, Aj Brown did not get traded.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Wow, always read the beat writers.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They've got a great group on the ground there in Philadelphia.
This game is gonna be good. Packers need to bounce
back in a big way. This team is too talented
to be playing as inconsistently game over game as it is.
And the Eagles, after a break and gathering themselves in
a deep breath, we know they're going to come out swing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm curious what kind of adjustments the Eagles have in
store on defense. They're coming off the bye week. They
added the cornerbacks Michael Carter, Jaya Alexander, They add, you know,
the edge players including Brandon Graham is back in the mix.
Jalen Phillips should be available, and just like, how does
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that work? How are they losing using g had Campbell,
who you know wasn't on the field as much. But
that might have just been like a one week thing.
You learn a lot, as we've said on this show,
of how you operate after the buye. And I did
think it was noteworthy that without a J. Brown, I
thought they had their best game plan of the season
in that last win before we last SAP, where they
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just they were running everything. Finally they were they looked
they had a little bit of Atlanta Falcons disease, whereas
like they're just doing one thing at a time. And
in that game they showed all their different ways that
they like to pass the ball, very diverse running game.
And if they can bring that to the Packers, I
think they'll be up for the fight. It's a tough bat.
I think they're gonna do that.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I think we're gonna start, you know, Baker Mayfield said,
now some real football starts.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think we're gonna see that with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
My big concern for Green Bay is the best tight
end in football is out for the season. Tucker Craft
is that guy when you talk defensive coordinator here, like
he scares them because he can block, he can catch,
and he can run after the catch, Like when you
hear the comparisons to Gronk, that's what you hear people saying.
So not having him really puts a lot of pressure
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on an inconsistent wide receiver group. And so I think
this is gonna change your offense, and I think it's
gonna change their running game. And so I like Philadelphia
in this game and for now with the Packers, as
good as they may be, their defensive front didn't look
that great. That might have been a one game aberration,
but they're gonna have to tighten it up. And going
against it Eagles offensive line that's not been as great.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's been good. It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
But I just think Green Bay offense it's going to
have to be restructured a little bit because Musgrave is
not and nobody Craft and nobody is like he is
that guy right now in the.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
NFL, and it's a difficult plan to emulate. When you
looked at how the Carolina Panthers ran all over Green
Bay because it was Rico being because Rigo Dawell is
one of the more imaginative runners inside that well said
in a while, And he had four yards of carry
inside left and inside right and two touchdowns, ran the
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ball nineteen times on the inside, where we've seen Philadelphia
struggle to run on the inside of the got Saquon
out on the edge on the first play on the
first run of the game against the Giants, but that
sustained success hasn't been there. So I'm not even sure
that the Eagles run game like as good as it
was last year, can duplicate phil what Carolina did in
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Green Bay. But you know, on the outside where the
coverage has been good, you have Aj and DeVante where it's.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's not a similar talent situation.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And that's why I like the idea of trading Aron
because anybody that's trading for AJ Brown, I.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Think we all love the idea.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, we're going to be better.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The idea of it better.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Like anybody that wants a J.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Brown is you may you're end up playing them in February, yeah,
like at some point. So yeah, that's but beyond me
that people would think that that was going to happen.
But the styles making the fights here, and I still
don't know who I'm going to pick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Greg. I don't either because I feel like everyone will
be on the Eagles, which you know, I just then think, well,
it is a home game for the Packers that they
could bounce back. The way they lose in these games
are so misdifying, Like they didn't punt last week. That
is that is hard to lose a game and only
overcore that much, but also just yeah, losing it on
downs a couple of times. They I think critical mass
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hit last week of the Packers running the too much,
and it was partly because Greg Olsen said it on
the on the broadcast, but also I think I think, yeah,
my buddy, I think it's because you watch them and
they want to be a great running team and they're
just okay, and they're just slow, like they they slow
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the game down, but you don't want to slow the
game down when you're the better team. They take forever.
Just like pick it up a little bit, like I think,
like make it a little bit more of Jordan Love's
show than these thirteen fourteen, fifteen play drives and that's
part of it is you know, you're just missing on
the throws to Golden. We'll see if he's available. Jaden
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Reid has been gone so long we kind of forget
that he's gone. But he's a really important player for them,
and that's part of it. For that fourth down that
we nominated for Worst throw of the Year, here were
the skill position players on the field. Emmanuel Wilson, Malik Heath,
Saveon Williams, Romeo Dobbs, and John Fitzpatrick. I mean that's
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pretty rough group, Like it's not very talented, so it's
not a talented group.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think this might be the game that you've been
wanting for Jordan Love honestly, because if you first of all,
missing Tuch the QB Island spot, a QB Island game
for Jordan, well potentially after two weeks ago had such
a defining, incredible game and then last week, you know,
the Packers were just not good enough and so okay.
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So because I think that without having Tucker Craft, who
wowed everyone with his yards after the catch running and
his ability to just carve out the middle of the
field and played incredibly before the injury, also is one
of the best blocking attachments to an offensive line in football,
and that's part of why they felt so confident running
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the ball. Luke Musgrave is a more of a pure
passing mismatch tight end. So I don't think you're gonna
be able to do the plotting run game the way
that maybe they had. I do think that you're gonna
lean on where you actually have a strength, even minus
your your massive Jenga piece in in Tucker Craft, and
that is try to formulate and force passing mismatches. And
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it's tough to do against this Eagle's secondary, but they
are more vulnerable than they.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Had been last season.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And this is going to be really really interesting to
me especially, I mean, is this is gonna play? Is
this a revenge game? What do we I don't know
if he's gonna play.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I would assume that they Yeah, I would assume they
traded with him, traded him with the idea to have
him active on game days and participants.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They go out for the coin toss against the Packers,
just autonomous, whether.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Whether he's supposed to or not.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, incredible work. I do think we saw some
of that frustration trying to be explosive in the run
game for Lafleur when saving Williams fumbled and then Lafloor
was yelling at him on the sidelin. I think that
was the frustration of not being explosive in the run
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game and then you try to get the ball to
save on Williams in the run game and he fumbles.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It kind of over the whole Savion Williams thing too.
In general, like guys that use as gadget, guys that
has diminishing returns. Here's a little news that involves the Packers,
by the way, he is visiting Sante Samuel Junior is
visiting the Packers, among many other teams, and he's just
an interesting player that could be added to the mix.
Was quite high on my free agency list based on,
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you know, his his play, which is a little up
and down, but pretty good at a high level. But
he had spinal medical fusion surgery this offseason and was
finally clear to play this week. And he's visiting the Panthers, Packers, Vikings,
forty nine Ers, Bears, and Steelers. I mean, that's I've
never heard of a visit list that long time. They
won't go that way.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They all want to check the medical and see if
it fits their personal specs. You know a lot of times,
you know, guys will show up and give the diagnostics
to a team.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
They're like that, we want our doctors to check you.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Because there are some teams that have we a sleep
at night policy, like can we sleep well at night
putting a player on the field, And there are other
teams that do not. And so I think that's why
he's visiting so many teams, and he's probably gonna pick
a spot which could be best for him.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Or whichever one has the immortal chamber.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Right now, I would.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Ask like, hey, can I get you guys all in
one place, like getting poked and prodded like seven different times,
like after sitting on multiple planes, like eh, like I
already had bad.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That's why team team team teams want to get guys.
You have to be poking product three or four times
to see how durable that is. That's that is a
technique in the combine, Like give me an injured player
after he's worked out for three teams, because I want
to see how durable that thing is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, you know, you get good veteran teammates and then
you get ones that set you up with incredible segues
like chambers, like quarterbacks that play in Southern California. It
is Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams steve four
and a half point favorites against the team that beat
them at their best in so far on Thursday Night Football,
the San Francisco forty nine playing host forty nine and
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a half is the over under Kevin Burkhart and Tom Brady.
It is the Fox Uno to see Mac Jones once
again jump.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Starting for the forty nine ers. How do you see
it going? How are the Rams a four and a
half point favorite. That's a big number and they've outscored
there the teams they've played since playing the forty nine
ers eighty four to twenty.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I mean fine, but you know, you look at these matchups, Darrenel,
do they tend not to go like this? Look, the
Rams out played them at so FI, But the giveaways,
I mean, some of the punchouts, some of the players
who stepped up for the forty nine ers. And Christian
McCaffrey has been the bane of the Rams exist is
look at his numbers against the Rams, even if he
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was in Carolina. He like averages about one hundred and
fifty combined yards against him in passing and receiving.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He carry, he touches the ball.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I was looking at this yester year like twenty four
times or more against the Rams. They can't find a
matchup against him. I know the Niners defense might be
you know, banged up. What ever, it plays well against
the Rams. I'm not saying the Rams are gonna lose
this game. Just four and a half points is a
huge number, especially with the Rams great kicking issues that
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they've had this year.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Look, Mac Jones, no no CARDI party for you.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No thicker, thicker kicker is on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh oh, there we go, competition. Where's the big booty drop?
We missed that one? Is massive? There it is there,
it is. Look.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I like the Rams, which I think whoever wins this game,
it can and it can't be the Niners if you're
the Rams, because then they swept you, They've got tiebreaker yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
For you so and they beat Seattle one.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
I actually like San Francisco in this game, just because
the mccaffree factor, whoa.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Kyle Shanahan's having probably his best year coaching, honestly, and
that's saying something considering some of the team, the monster
teams that he's that he's coached, and Robert sala is
putting on an absolute clinics. You know, they're more and
more injured every week, and I think that becomes the
biggest threat factor to me, if you're thinking about these
matchups between the Rams and the forty nine ers and
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how strange they can get and how in their own
heads the Rams can get against the forty nine ers
at times, I just don't think this goes that way.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I just this Rams team.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
On two of three phases offense and defense, is such
a wagon. I mean, their offense is just rolling over people,
through people, past them in the air. Their offensive line
is finally all back together again. Rob Hanstein being back
last week was huge. The time to pressure went way
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up time wise versus quick pressure that sometimes can get
to Stafford and enforces that the shorter completions. Phukan Akua's
ribs injury is concerning.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I do.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I would imagine they have one eye on this game.
Obviously that's always going to play physical against the forty.
They probably also have one game one eye on next week,
which is the Seattle game. Their first time that the
two teams have played each other. You really have to
manage this correctly if you're Sean McVay and the Rams.
And I think part of why they were able to
go so heavy personnel twelve personnel, thirteen personnel that oh,
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I said something, it's finally happened. I freaking leave the
building and finally they finally freaking do it. Yeah, And
I think that that bodes well for playing a different
style of offense as you give Puka maybe a little
bit less of a workload.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It was interesting that they alternated drives between their running backs.
Finally doing the thing that they say that they were
going to do between s and quorum adds a little
more explosion. I just think Stafford versus a team that
can't rush the passer, it's it's you're you're almost drying
dead if you're the forty nine ers. And they probably
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will get Bryce Huff back this week, which is a
big addition, but they're also losing Michael Williams. He's gone
for the season. Not much of a pass rusher there,
But like one of the reasons why when I was
splitting hairs, I know I made you mad, and I
didn't choose Stafford for for MVP was just his numbers clean.
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I mean, they're they're insane. They he is the best
quarterback in the league this year. His numbers versus pressure
are actually quite poor. He reminds me a little bit
of Tom Brady in his later years. And this is
a compliment. He's no longer hanging in quite as much
to take those big hits because he's playing the long
game and he's just he's just dirt and balls now.
And so his numbers yards. If you get this forty
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nine ers team, they're not going to get pressure on him.
I news flash, it's not gonna happen in this game. Well,
I think they smoke him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Teams are sitting pressure from depth at the second highest
rate against against the Ramfrey Kroons DA products a great
You just try to mess with the picture for Matthew
Stafford a little bit, but you gotta get it early,
uh with Stafford, or else you're in trouble where you've
gett in this situation where Devanta Adams is this red
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zone tight end target tight end involved in the past
game too, and so there's there's so many different places
where you could say, well, that the history Kyle Shannan
figures it out. You know, maybe Common will get the
ball punched out on the one inch line again, like
it's it's hard based, like using the logical mindset to
say that the forty nine ers are going to win this.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, the inferior division team, they pull off one upset.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
They don't do it twice they I've seen, We've sure,
I know, but it wasn't. And it's many.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I think. I think the Rams win.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But these games get so weird and they feel weird,
and being the building all week feels weird.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It's just like it's every it's everyone's tight.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Hopefully, hopefully Mac Jones has a standard gait by the
end of this game.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
He's not never punched over. He's so so extra with everything.
I love it, and I think.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
We wanted to get to throw the year nomination, right Greg.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh, yeah, let's we have. Let's see the deep.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I wrote a whole poem about this throw last week.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Stafford and yeah, if you're on oh.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Look at his helmet because there's Dvante running the deep
dig there's Stafford.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Who's he looking at? Not you?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Very similar to the throw in the Super Bowl to
Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's beautiful. But but here's the thing. Doing that on
a intermediate to deep depth route takes a level of
confidence in oneself that not many human bells.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's also disrespectful, can be honest, it's thirty yard pass
down the field.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Look the linebacker show.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But he did it in the Super Bowl. Wasn't quite
as it wasn't this deep, wasn't that deep, but it
was pretty deep it was.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
It was it was like a twelve yard pass.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'm just saying it is disrespectful, but so is every
celebration says hold. It's the quarterback version of holding out
the ball while you're running towards the end zone. It's
just that in a little sizzle to your son. For
those linebackers dropped like twenty yards each.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You got a runner with DeVante and he just springs
it to him.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
When I when I put this game on this morning,
yeah no, look at thee I think it's a strong one,
so sick and the crazy thing is like it wasn't.
I mean, it was the best throw he made all day.
But his deep one too was almost as good. He's
feeling himself, and I just think the forty nine ers. Look,
they're not getting weirdly, they're we talked so much about
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their rookie class earlier in the season, and now they
lost Michael Williams stout there. Nickel has been a little
up and down, and the other guys, like the defense,
they're not helping, they're not playing, there's injuries. They're just
a thin team and they're trying their best. I think
the most symbolic play I have I should have made
this a Play of the Year nominee is last week
with a seventeen point lead. I think it was McCaffrey,
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might have been Brian Robinson was trying to pick up
a short yardage situation. It doesn't look like he's gonna
get it. And Mac Jones, who's all disheveled and everything's
all met stup and his face is busted. He runs
in there and he lowers his shoulder player to push
the pile forward, and I'm like, Mac Jones is out
there living life. I love it. Football player. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So see if mac Jones can do it again against
the Los Angeles Rams. It's time for the Sunday Drive
presented by Toyota. Let's go places, the Pittsburgh Steelers, fresh
off of thrashing once again one of the best teams
in the AFC, are on the road to Sofi Stadium
to take on Herbo and the tackle list Chargers, who
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are a three point favorite. Forty five and a half
is the over under Mike Tarico, Chris collins Worth, the
entire gang on NBC. Do you need tackles to beat
the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I think that would be helpful help yes, not a question.
Not sure if Bobby Hart who it's crazy, like, oh,
I hope we can get Bobby Hart back. He was
like literally their fifth tackle and was like, didn't make
the best at one point, but he got hurt during
last week's game too, so hearing that penning is going
to be a tackle and against this team. It's in particular,
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it's not like the Chargers major in a quick passing game,
like despite all these offensive line injuries, like Herbert's back there,
he's holding the ball and he's trying to make plays,
and he is making plays. I felt bad not listing
him in the MVP of conversation because I do think
just he is playing as well as any other quarterback,
and you just think about him versus Herbig and Wat
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and high Smith was probably their best edge guy last week.
One thing I noticed was a couple of the plays
that high Smith and Wat got off. It was because
Herbig got doubled, which is a very interesting wrinkle at
their stage of development. But it just shows how many
weapons they have.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
But Herb's been you know, a high volagy pressure got
for years. I mean, he's a heck of a player.
And I think somebody got into Watt in the high
Smith and said, this time we start earning your money.
Here we got to get Maybe it was Cam Hayward
because he was very strong against those guys. The guys
getting paid showed up last week. This is this is
an intriguing matchup because Arthur Smith would love this because
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there's a tight end on the Chargers. I'm sure he
would love to have on a team at Ronda Gadson Junior.
I think he's gonna be the threat for the Chargers
in this game. There's got to be some type of
quick outlet pass the game. Even though they don't have it.
They don't really have a matchup because their edge guys
are forward going guys. They don't really have a dude
to match up with Gats and so I think he
is going to be a factor big time in this game.
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I like Pittsburgh in this game. I think Aaron Rodgers
is starting to play better football. Real just the real
interesting storylines in this game. I just want to see
Pittsburgh can keep it up. But the Chargers without those
offensive tackles, to me, is a significant issue.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Two unpredictable teams.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I'm super curious, especially with what the Steelers did to
the Colts tackles.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Like you noted on the on.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
The The Recap Show this week, Greg, I'm really interested
to see if the Steelers play Ronde Gadson the same
way they played Tyler Warren and that was pulled Jalen
Ramsey back to the deep safety position and mix up
your zone pressure to and get that pressure especially on
the outsides, to really mix up the quarterback and kind
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of know where the quarterback is looking. It's really hard
to mix up Justin Herbert and obviously he will make
plays with his legs. But it is curious because so
this Chargers offense being able to funnel through a mismatch
tight end the way that the Colts offense is also
able to do I'm curious to see if they deploy
a similar game plan because that one was so effective
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to the two to six takeaways.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And it does sound like Ramsey's just playing free safety
now and not like they said it's going to be permanent.
But he said he's there this week and they have injuries.
It's easy to forget. They lost to Shawn Elliett, they
lost I think Chuck Clark it was, and he's just
playing free safety. It is weird that he's essentially playing
Minka Fitzpatrick's role like that trades. It seems something, but
it's something though he's wanted to do for years.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Yes, he talks about his affinity for Charles Woodson and
making that change and so and.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Let's be real, like he was not playing well in
man coverage, and even last week where they did play
you know, the split safeties a lot more, they look different.
They still played the Colts more man coverage than any
other team had all year because that's what their cornerbacks
can do. And I think you look at these matchups
for the charges. That's the thing. If he can just
if basically, if Justin Herbert can play offensive line for
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himself by just running around and making it happen, and
he had to do it even against the Titans. Then, man,
there are mismatches with lad And, with Gadson and with
Quinton Johnson, like against the Steeler secondary.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, fortunately for Justin Herbert, he's got one of the
best pass protecting running backs in the entire NFL in
Camani Videl.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yes, back there.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Where you know he's he's making plays in the past
game again, whether catching the ball or blocking for herbal And,
I think they're gonna need it's it's gonna be Herbo
out on the edge.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, make high spur this.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You have lad And and QJ come back to the ball,
and I've got some work the middle and just Justin
figure it out. It's going to be quarters of that
versus the Steelers kind of plotting their way down the field,
scoring a predictable twenty two points.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, they have really gone extreme in terms of the
ball coming out of Rogers's hands so quickly and it
being short. But I don't think they'll need to throw
it that much. That the Chargers are twenty seventh against
the run, and so you think of those jumbo packages
and Darnel Washington.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
And all the tight end Jalen Warren.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Jalen Warren like the Chargers are not a good run defense.
I'm a little stunned the Chargers are favored yeah by
three in this game. My take on the Chargers is
that they've actually overachieved quite a bit this year based
on what's the real level of where they should be. Yeah,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
My colleague Daniel Popper at The Athletic actually wrote two
sentences that I think are really depressing but really well written,
where you said the ceiling for this season caved in when.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Alt was lost for the year.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Trading for Penning is the equivalent of cleaning up the rubble.
It hurts because and yet because bars, But it hurts.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Because it's Herbert back there. They are a must watch
every week, and with the weapons that he has, and
you give him a chance in a game where I
trust the Chargers coaching just a little bit more than
I do the Steelers. Steelers, you never know what you're
gonna get. That's true of the games we will talk
about after the break. We have almost made it to
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
Back on NFL Daily. Big week in terms of the news,
the future of this country getting shaped. But that wasn't
the biggest news. The biggest news was that Tom Brady
revealed his dog JUNI, was cloned from a previous dog
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that he owned back in twenty twenty three. And the
first thing I thought about when I learned not only
did Tom Brady clone his dog, but that he's an
investor of the company that cloned his dog. I wanted
to hear what Patrick thought about that.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Well, it's similar thing that you've heard me say.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Every single time we for some reason find out about
Tom Brady's most recent investment, which is, every single time
that Tom Brady has money going on in something, it
becomes news. And Tom is at the forefront of seemingly
every circumstance.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That I you know, personally, I'm I'm not a money guy.
I know, Larry little about everything.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Every time we find out about some tech thing, it's
Tom Brady is there.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And sometimes it doesn't work too well, and it's a
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Maybe it's a fad, you know, maybe there's a pickleball
league coming on, maybe it's some crypto thing, but it
seems like it's always Tom Well.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like the crypto pickleball ven diagram is just like a circle.
It's everyone, it's all together. My bigger thing, though, is,
you know you are all dog owners. I believe you're
not anymore. I can't take it too okay, but you
you you know, I'm just what are your thoughts on
you know, you know, what would you clone Tucker your dog?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Jordan, Well, it wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, yeah, yeah, that's my take. There's only one Tucker.
It's my Tucker, and that wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that's the same exact space where I am, like,
in a spiritual sense, I do believe in an individuality, and.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I believe animals have souls, and yeah, it wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And they can't talk and they can't necessarily consent to anything.
So it's a lot of the same way I feel
about you know, quote unquote AI or plagiarism machines, especially
when somebody is no longer with us that they don't
have they don't have the ability to say whether or
not they want this thing, and so hopefully, you know,
Tom's pupp would have wanted this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Let the Venn diagram also between people who clone their
dogs and chat gptwo users also to a circle and.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Keep it away from me. So like these last couple
of Games of the week, I'm curious if the lines
are going to bounce back.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And we'll see if they If there's a team we
expect to bounce back, it is Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
As the oddsmakers feel like they will.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
They are eight and a half point favorites over Marcus
Mariota and the Washington Commanders. As we are hoping for
a return at some point for Jaden Daniels with that
dislocated elbow. The over under is forty nine and a
half points. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma, they're on the call,
Jordan as the Lions got beat. They got beat. Dan
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Campbell acknowledged it. There's any number of places where they
could have improved. Do they play better against a defense
that's had some issues recently.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, that's putting it lightly, Patrick, because the Washington Commanders
came into this season I think a huge concern and
question mark on the defensive side of the ball, the
oldest defense in the league, and immediately did nothing to
soften anyone's fears about them. And now they're banged up.
They've got players, you know, they got guys that are hurt.
Their linebackers are not playing the way that they expect
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from from the caliber or the reputation those linebackers. Their
plans for some of their players is mystifying to me.
Steve tid I know we've talked a lot about that,
and I think that the Lions are probably pissed off
and they're looking to roll and I think they will.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think they have real questions that we aren't going
to really get answered in this game because they're just
too good. Yeah, but Colton Pouncey, your colleague at the Athletic,
had some numbers that supported something that was in my
head too, is like eye test wise, they don't quite
look the same on offense, and he did have some
numbers to back it up that they are sixteenth and
explosive play rate, they are twelfth in overall offensive success rate,
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and their twenty sixth in terms of their rushing success
All three of those numbers last year were top two
in the league in terms of offense. So they have
put up some big scoring numbers. They've had, you know,
moments where they've looked, but they haven't been as consistent.
And I think it's that interior line. And they also
lost Christian Mahogany for a while, maybe not the season,
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but he's a starter and he's going to be And
Taylor Decker is talking about retirement at the end of
the year and trying to just fight through one last
year and he picked up another injury. He's had a
soulder problem that I think might make this his last year.
And now he has a knee injury on top of that.
Him and Padey Sewol we're both out on Wednesday, out
of practice. So just some concerning signs.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And Taylor Decker is it's kind of like a you know,
not Joe not but who who's Roger Saffoo was the
Rams a couple of years ago, where he's basically held
together by like tape, no power, and so the offensive
line has not been as dominant. And remember they lost
some guys in the offseason too, but against the Commanders,
I mean the command I.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Mean Marshawn Latimore is out for the season. He wasn't
playing great.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Anyway, They've got nobody to generate pass pressure pressure.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They went out.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
The players that they signed on the defensive front were
run stoppers because they were getting gashed on first down
by the run last year. So they wanted to solidify
the run and then come up and be creative on
second and third and known passing situations when now teams
aren't even known passing downs. So this is am or
Detroit should have its way putting points on the board
in Washington what's stopping anybody?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Anybody anyway, Joe. We talked about Frankie Louver.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
They're having to use him on the edge to create
pressure that's created gaps.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All over the middle of the defense. In the running
passing games.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
It just they're just throwing stuff, you know, out there
to see what they can do because of all the
beat up personnel they have defensively.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's because when you do that with an inside linebacker
as frequently as they're doing it with Frankie Luvu, it
becomes mathematically appealing for an opposing defensive coordinator to say, Okay,
I'm gonna make it so you only have eleven players
on the field because you're just gonna waste that guy's rush.
You're gonna find a way to get him, tilt the
play away from him, or block him up, er chip
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or do something, and then you're able to say, okay, now,
who am I gonna because you only have technically eleven
Now in my math, who am I going to target?
Who am I going to circle? Who am I going
to block out of the play? And a lot of
times too, it's been the other linebacker a lot of
times they're blocking.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Which is Bobby Wagner that he's getting doubled and getting.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Stilled, getting doubled, and he's getting sort of pushed out
of the play because again, they have this mathematical advantage
and teams are able to key in on these things.
And when you have a concern like that in the
middle of your defense, you have nothing and real quick.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Frank you Louvi Well, he is playing this weekend. His
hip drop tackle suspension got overturned. He's being fined a
hunting grand but he's gonna be able to play this week.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I thought it was interesting the Commanders didn't make any
trades at the deadline. There was some reporting that they
were talking Debo or von Miller potentially to the Bills.
That was from Tim Graham, but that never happened. They
could have been sellers. Some of the teams that didn't
make any trades I thought were telling, like the forty
nine Ers, not trying to trade too hard for anyone
who's kind of like maybe they're accepting their fate. The
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Commanders didn't become sellers, but I think they know where
they are for the rest of the Well, you're gonna
be talking compensatory draft pick when you there. Look at them,
especially with Debo.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, and so it maybe gets a little insight
into how they view their roster construction of all the term.
Maybe not as much the way they view uh their
hopes this season. But you know, if you're watching on YouTube,
you saw the Elijah Royo touchdown where it's a similar
thing where the Commanders have given up the third most
completions on vertical routes all season long, and Jared Golf's
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been throwing them actually more than he did in the
Ben Johnson era where we saw the late touchdown to
Jamis and Williams on a vertical route. So maybe the
Lions get a chance to work on that, uh, you know,
increase that metric and get the explosive plays by you know,
maybe Isaac Taslaw get.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, I'd like to see them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I'd like to see them close a game early on
because I really want the opportunity to say the offensive
coordinator Morton salting away game.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh, I'll leave, I will leave.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Actually, no, don't go anywhere, Jordan, because we've got another
game one, We've got our last game and it's the
best team I'll say it in the NFL right now.
Playing host to Jacoby Brissett at the Arizona Cardinals. The
Seattle Seahawks are six and a half point favorites. It
is Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on CBS's wrapping up
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Greg Where where's the weakness? How can we find the
point of injury for NFL teams to compete with what
Mike mac has going on in the Pacific Northwest?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
The weakness is that they got to play the unstoppable
Jacoby Brissett this week and the Arizona Cardinals very interesting
that they named Jacoby Brissett the starter and one day
later Kyler Murray goes on injured reserve. Now Murray's been
out with that foot injury. No one's questioning that. You know,
obviously he's hurt, and there was some reporting. Ian Rapport
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put it out that you know, sometimes with these foot
springs it's a four plus week injury. The thing that's
confusing is he's already been out a month. He wasn't
put on injured reserve before, so they were hoping it
would appear that he would be back within that four
week window, and he's been on the practice field for
three weeks. Clearly they're playing better offensively. We don't need
to repeat all the reasons why. Like with Jacoby Brissett,
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it's just obvious you can see it. But how it
all was being handled, I think it's fair to like
wonder what exactly was going on behind the scenes and
if Kyler Murray's going to be on the team next year.
I thought it was interesting that Gannon said, look, we
talked to Kyler, and we talked to a few people
before making this decision to putting it on injured reserve.
This is like an organizational thing. What's been going on
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going to Jacoby.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I think if he wasn't really hurt.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
We hear Kyler Murady talk about it, whether it's social posts, scrubbing,
you know, the cardinals from his Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You know, I think he is hurt.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Maybe they said, okay, maybe he can come back, Maybe
he can come back, you know what.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
But now we got another We got another month, so
he'll be out almost two months by at that point.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
So let's sit him. Jacoby Brissett's playing well. Marvin Harrison
got the ball last game. Everyone talks about like he
was getting the ball before. He wasn't getting targeted that
much beforehand, even with Jacoby Brissett. But the offense was
all on time. I think part of it. They're playing
a terrible Cowboys defense. I mean, because here's how misleading
some of this stuff is. The twenty seven points that
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Arizona scored, those are the third fewest points that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
The Cowboys allowed there.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
All right, So as bad as their defense is, they
actually played better than they did normally.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
But Scoby precent, you just saw it.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
And part of his physical size, he can throw the
ball with a six or four DEFENSI e vent in
his face where was Kylo's got to bounce it extended?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
And everyone else is in scramble rules.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
And so I think Jacobi's patience with some things, but
also his quick decision making is why this offense is
working a little bit better, the offensive line playing a
little bit better, a little bit more physically. We'll see
how it goes. I mean, this week it's gonna be tough.
I mean, he'll show me something if he goes up
to Seattle and handles Leonard Williams and the way that
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defensive front. My god, they are smacking people.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Up there, and they got swept last year by the Seahawks.
In a version of the Seahawks that wasn't as as
good as this one.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, I mean, I fully expect Seattle to take care
of business, but I really don't want it to get
lost that before they played the worst well the Bengals exist,
but before they played among the worst defenses in football.
Right now, Jacoby Brissett balled out against the Indianapolis Colts,
who have a good defense, and the Green Bay Packers,
who have a good defense. And so I think that
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this is important to remember that Jacoby Brissett has like
this consistency that the team really you can tell has craved.
If you listen to the press conference's postgame from Kalais
Campbell from Trey McBride, who was on the Scott Van
Pelt set after the game, they clearly wanted to keep
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rolling the way that they are regardless of an injury.
Kyler is hurt, and I think it's confusing for fans
when there are reports from practice of Kyler taking reps
with with at practice a couple of weeks ago and
then but but the injury is going to be something
that's that's sidelining him for a while as well. So
I think there's some mixed messaging that needs to get
under control out there for sure. But at the same time,
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I don't want to discredit what Jacoby Brissett has done
and how Drew Petson clearly clearly sees him as a
guy sort of a throwback of what Drew Petsing used
to do running this offense back when he was like
full on QBAC system under you know, with the Browns
under Stefanski.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Those types of things.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Show me something this week, because if they if they
can be competitive in this game and just give me
an entertaining product. They want more than that, but that
that would show that this team is still going to
make some noise. I think down the stretch, I'm not
sure if they can do it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And I thought it was interesting though We're listening to
the broadcast and the booth is calling to keep Brissette.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh yeah, toy aikman, I don't he You just.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Don't hear that happen often. And this was before we
love Troy though, he'll do it, I'll tell you, but
this was before we knew that this was going to
actually be an injured reserve situation, you know what I mean? Like,
I know we have that context now, but to have
the broadcast team calling to keep Brisset as the quarterback
after going through. Tom Brady can downplay these meetings all
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they want, but those guys really get in there in
those meetings and they're in the building to say those
things on the broadcast was telling to me.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And again, I'll bring it up once again because I
always will. I wish the booth community had collectively decided
to support Jacoby Brissett when he clearly should have been
the starting quarterback in Cleveland, where it's a little bit
for some reason, it was easier for people to defend
Deshaun Watson keeping his starting job, where Kyler Murray has
kind of been on the opposing end of threats and
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critique from the general booth community for the majority.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Of his immunity.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Right though, Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
If there's a guy there, everybody's like, well, you know,
they're better now with cha, Kobe, it's going to be Kyler.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Let's think about like this game two from Seattle's point
of view, they're coming off like a high. It's a
much tougher matchup. Rashid jaheat is there. You know, for
the first time, they already led the league in air
yards per attempt. So I do love a team that's
building on strengths like strength and strength and strength, and
he's just gonna give them so much. And I am
curious just when they're on offense their offensive line, who's
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played well against this Cardinals front, which can test your
protection scheme and your communication. And they have Walter Nolan,
now who I love. Look who looks great? Who look good?
So that it's a good matchup. I think when when
the Seahawks have the ball.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
What this does, though, getting Shaheed is going to open
up the run game because now you've got two vertical threats.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, we know Jason's better up to.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
Seem Now you've got a guy who could do stuff
on the outside. Okay, so now you're gonna have to
If you're playing Nickel, you're more worried about rotating coverages
and seeking a safety to stop the run, yes, which
is what teams are doing to the Seahawks. So this
is something that's going to open up things for Arroyo
in the middle of the field. But I think because
they're Seattle doesn't run the ball consistently well, this is
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going to pull guys back to open up some teams.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
One hundred percent, and they can stay in twelve personnel,
which they clearly have designed their version of twelve personnel
because they want to attack teams in the passing game
with two dominant receivers and two dominant tight ends as mismatches,
and they're not seeing a lot of light boxes. To
your point, Steve, they're only seeing light boxes twenty percent
of rushing attempts this season, and so that number is going.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
To dramatically change.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's going to probably flip on its head because they're
going to have to pull everybody back to the middle
of the field.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I will say, if you're if you're a Seattle fan
who's grading things and Darnald's throwing all these downfield passes,
there's only four teams that have more interceptions than touchdowns
allowed on deep passes, and one of them is Aira's
on the Cardinals. Hey, now you know, maybe you know
why you're working things out there.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
You go, I'll never throw up. I'll never put it
past Jonathan Gannon to come up with no he can
one week game cam game plan that makes it tight,
makes it tough. So they're six and a half point favorites.
They're pretty decent survivor option. I know we respect the Cardinals,
but we have not picked our survivor pick of the week.
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Last week we had the Rams. I mean, we've been
in blowout city. We've hit what seven straight weeks? Now
we have in terms of the survivor.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Can I offer up Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers
at home?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, against the Saints.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
We could chase the Saints two weeks.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
In a row, but we're not eligible to take the
following teams the Bills, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Colts, Rams, essentially
the best offenses in the league. As you pointed out
a week ago, that really does eliminate a lot of
the good options in this week, in particular, it's getting
tough out here. The Panthers are a strong option. I
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would say the Panthers and the Seahawks are to me
pretty clearly the best two options.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, if you're asking me, Jacobe or Tyler Shuck, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, I'm going I'm going Panthers.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Carolina could do this.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But so I can win either way. Either we win
as a group where I can point out that.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
It should have been the scene and isn't that just
what it's all about?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yes, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I would like to use you guys as a resource
for a project that I've been working. Oh okay, because
I know you've had a conversation about the MVP. Yes,
the MVP conversation is sometimes deemed a race, sometimes simply
deemed a conversation, but more often than not, it takes
the form of a verbal tournament. Steve oh loosely defined
rules that seemingly change from year to years. So I
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wonder what if I use the incredible resource of the
brain power available to me at NFL Daily Wow, and
facilitated a conversation about the conversation while also highlighting its
inherent absurdity and lack of logical consistency to ultimately predict
the twenty twenty five Most Valuable Player using key metrics.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh wow, Okay, So it's a.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Scoring system that begins because, as Baker Mayfield said, and again,
this is not what I believe. This is just what
the circumstances have put forth. Because Greg who does it
all the time. We have to analyze the people voting
for the MVP while we make our statements about who
the MVP is going to be. So once Week ten begins,
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if you are a non quarterback, it is minus seventeen points.
We have to go back to Adrian Peterson. The only
reason he got the MVP is because a lot of
the qualifications weren't met by the quarterbacks this year. If
you're a defensive player, it is minus fifty points off
the bat.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
You have to do the following things.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
If you have a positive game after week ten and
you are in the conversation, which we've already established, some
players who are in their conversation will finalize things and
make this. Once we get week ten going, it's a
plus five. If you as a positive game in primetime
or a major four to twenty five Eastern time start
after week ten, it's plus seven. If it's after week
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ten against the contender, it's plus ten. Okay, and you
guys don't have to worry. I'll track all this and
axcell spreadsheet that.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm going to get ross here.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Negative prime time game after week ten is negative twelve. Okay,
after week eleven it's negative fifteen. Remember back when Brock
Purty was an MVP contender and he had the negative
prime time game fell off.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
He was done at that point. Yep. It was the
same thing happened to Michael Vick in like a Monday
night game. It was Michael Vick versus Tom Brady. Three
weeks later, Michael Vick didn't get a vote. Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
And so it's those scoring prime time versus prime time
against contender. The scoring goes up and changes every single week.
I'll have the full list available whenever we finish negative
primetime game. After week thirteen goes all the way up
to negative twenty.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh yeah that does hurt. Yeah, you guys will.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Be helping me to determine whether it was a positive
game or a negative game. Again, in my view, things
can be a little bit about to say, you could
play Patrick Mahomes could go thirteen to thirty exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
But in terms of the MVP conversation, it is there
are only winners.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
And yeah, it's true. It is very binary. If it's
a four h five game, Let's say that Darnald Baker
Mayfield Seahawks game happens later in the year, but it's
four oh five, it's buried. It's it's a Fox game.
When it's a CBS doubleheader week well later yet minus
what happens.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, later in the year, Greg the flex comes into play, Okay,
because in the conversation later in the year.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Games are important to me.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
They're all football games, and we can evaluate the teams
with their totality. The rest of this is the Baker
rules that the Baker mayfield logical understanding of the MVP
applies here. If you're leading the NFL in a category
while in the conversation, but it only lasts for that week,
it's plus five. If you break a season long NFL
record at the end of the season, it's plus fifteen.
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If you've never won the MVP despite a solid resume,
it is plus twelve. And if you've won multiple MVPs
or you won the MVP last year, it is minus six.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yeah, in the final week, that is the conversation.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Wow, they will be playing in the final week. Yeah,
this explained that, like Drew Brees rules. Yeah, this explains
why JJ Watt did not win the MVP that season
that he had the greatest season any defensive player has
ever had, because he had the minus fifty yeah right.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
After really sunk him.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Really because he got close even with he was in
the conversation every week.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
The conversation, Well, I don't know how we determined who
was even starting the conversation, because one of the most
ridiculous things about the conversation. Do you remember, oh, you know,
mid October when Baker Mayfield and Dak Prescott were in
the conversation and yet here we are just a few
weeks later.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
But how does it like they're not the Baker himself
said that this is when football starts.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
This is it? How do Saqua did they get back in?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
We will not win that last year? Then they played
another of a prime.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Time Well he got the minus the top though he.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Got the mopt deal. He got the minus seventeen and
one time. And Josh Allen's team had the consistent success
and he plays the quarterback position, and he had big
wins late.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And he hadn't won the VP before despite a great resume.
That's a plus twelve.
Speaker 6 (49:02):
Here's my question for you got no shot, No he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
What do we do we also count? So obviously we
count players who are in the conversation?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Do we also count.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Players who are the subjects of many takes and and
quotes and headlines that say we should be talking.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
More about that's Daniel Daniel Jones rule, or it's.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Time to have a conversation about Yes, those guys.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Once the conversation is invoked, you can be placed in
the conversation. But if if statistically you're eliminated from the
point total, it's it's not gonna be like Sam Darnold
and and Dimes will remain in the conversation significantly longer
than JSN and Jonathan Taylor despite perhaps not having a
similar level. It's that Stafford bump right there, Matthew Stafford
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is hitting a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Hitting a lot of the qualifications for the conversation.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
We need to be talking more about conversation. Is is
it like a cousin. I think it's a cousin to
this conversation. Yeah, related, Yeah, Well those are.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
The guys who the scoring is a little bit lower.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
So it's a tear down, okay, And so they're going
to need some huge performances perhaps break perhaps break an
NFL record in order to get into the action conversation.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'm glad we did this. I'm glad. I'm looking behind
the glass and I'm seeing our producers. Drew is like
wondering why am I here right now? Why is this
show still going on?
Speaker 5 (50:32):
eRx, Just thinking about how much math he's going to
have to do all the island.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
None of this is going on in the NFL channel.
It's all being cut out. You're not going to see
it at a prime pizza back on the back patio.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yeah, I have to show up on Friday afternoon have
a conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, we should. You can't check us out, by the
way on the NFL channel, I believe Friday afternoons, maybe
Wednesday afternoons, who knows. It's it's all surprise, and we
will be back in this vary feed for Thursday night football.
And because Nick shook and eye look at Raiders Broncos,
and we say there's a chance it's one sided, we're
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gonna give you more. We're gonna do a little power rankings.
We haven't done that in a long time. So we're
gonna come up with who are the best teams in
the NFL. That'll be us on Thursday night. But I
don't know if we can top this show. Let's have
a conversation about
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready to listen to
Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on one of the games
of the year. We've been needing a good primetime game lately.
I know we had Packers Steelers, but like I just
feel like they've been wanting.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yea, and we want we want football, and we want
you to listen to the best of NFL because if
you're listening to us and you didn't hear the first
half of the show, you could have heard stuff.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Like this, Booty is is massive? Is that really what
I sound like?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Yeah, Gret, Greg, I regret to inform you to hear
that again, Booty is is massive.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
I mean it didn't lie. Well.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
My favorite part of the audio was you said sneakily first. Yeah,
where it's like the these Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
Sometimes you know you're not expect but yeah, sometimes it happens,
just like, Oh, Moody's massive. Moody is massive. Got all
that back in there. Didn't know what's happening.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
We got all this ahead of us.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, Greg reference that the Philadelphia Eagles on the road
at Green Bay where the Packers just lost to the
Carolina Panthers. The Packers favored against the defending Super Bowl
champions by two and a half. The over under is
forty five and a half. It is Joe, it is
Troy and Jordan Rodrigue. It's an opportunity for us to
see the Philadelphia Eagles after taking a break. It's like
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all that consternation week in and week out, we're delving
through Instagram.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
The Eagles just disappeared. Now they're back.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
It's like it never even happened. Patrick Saquon Barkley said,
they all got away from each other for a little bit,
and hey, guess what. Just like the local media there
has been saying all year, Aj Brown did not get traded.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Wow, always read the beat writers.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
They've got a great group on the ground there in Philadelphia.
This game is gonna be good. Packers need to bounce
back in a big way. This team is too talented
to be playing as inconsistently game over game as it is.
And the Eagles, after a break and gathering themselves in
a deep breath, we know they're going to come out swing.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
I'm curious what kind of adjustments the Eagles have in
store on defense. They're coming off the bye week. They
added the cornerbacks Michael Carter, Jaya Alexander, They add, you know,
the edge players including Brandon Graham is back in the mix.
Jalen Phillips should be available, and just like, how does
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that work? How are they losing using g had Campbell,
who you know wasn't on the field as much. But
that might have just been like a one week thing.
You learn a lot, as we've said on this show,
of how you operate after the buye. And I did
think it was noteworthy that without a J. Brown, I
thought they had their best game plan of the season
in that last win before we last SAP, where they
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just they were running everything. Finally they were they looked
they had a little bit of Atlanta Falcons disease, whereas
like they're just doing one thing at a time. And
in that game they showed all their different ways that
they like to pass the ball, very diverse running game.
And if they can bring that to the Packers, I
think they'll be up for the fight. It's a tough bat.
I think they're gonna do that.
Speaker 6 (03:15):
I think we're gonna start, you know, Baker Mayfield said,
now some real football starts.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
I think we're gonna see that with the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 6 (03:21):
My big concern for Green Bay is the best tight
end in football is out for the season. Tucker Craft
is that guy when you talk defensive coordinator here, like
he scares them because he can block, he can catch,
and he can run after the catch, Like when you
hear the comparisons to Gronk, that's what you hear people saying.
So not having him really puts a lot of pressure
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on an inconsistent wide receiver group. And so I think
this is gonna change your offense, and I think it's
gonna change their running game. And so I like Philadelphia
in this game and for now with the Packers, as
good as they may be, their defensive front didn't look
that great. That might have been a one game aberration,
but they're gonna have to tighten it up. And going
against it Eagles offensive line that's not been as great.
Speaker 1 (04:02):
It's been good. It's going to be interesting.
Speaker 6 (04:05):
But I just think Green Bay offense it's going to
have to be restructured a little bit because Musgrave is
not and nobody Craft and nobody is like he is
that guy right now in the.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
NFL, and it's a difficult plan to emulate. When you
looked at how the Carolina Panthers ran all over Green
Bay because it was Rico being because Rigo Dawell is
one of the more imaginative runners inside that well said
in a while, And he had four yards of carry
inside left and inside right and two touchdowns, ran the
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ball nineteen times on the inside, where we've seen Philadelphia
struggle to run on the inside of the got Saquon
out on the edge on the first play on the
first run of the game against the Giants, but that
sustained success hasn't been there. So I'm not even sure
that the Eagles run game like as good as it
was last year, can duplicate phil what Carolina did in
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Green Bay. But you know, on the outside where the
coverage has been good, you have Aj and DeVante where it's.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
It's not a similar talent situation.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
And that's why I like the idea of trading Aron
because anybody that's trading for AJ Brown, I.
Speaker 5 (05:13):
Think we all love the idea.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
Yeah, we're going to be better.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
The idea of it better.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
Like anybody that wants a J.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Brown is you may you're end up playing them in February, yeah,
like at some point. So yeah, that's but beyond me
that people would think that that was going to happen.
But the styles making the fights here, and I still
don't know who I'm going to pick.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
Greg. I don't either because I feel like everyone will
be on the Eagles, which you know, I just then think, well,
it is a home game for the Packers that they
could bounce back. The way they lose in these games
are so misdifying, Like they didn't punt last week. That
is that is hard to lose a game and only
overcore that much, but also just yeah, losing it on
downs a couple of times. They I think critical mass
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hit last week of the Packers running the too much,
and it was partly because Greg Olsen said it on
the on the broadcast, but also I think I think, yeah,
my buddy, I think it's because you watch them and
they want to be a great running team and they're
just okay, and they're just slow, like they they slow
(06:17):
the game down, but you don't want to slow the
game down when you're the better team. They take forever.
Just like pick it up a little bit, like I think,
like make it a little bit more of Jordan Love's
show than these thirteen fourteen, fifteen play drives and that's
part of it is you know, you're just missing on
the throws to Golden. We'll see if he's available. Jaden
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Reid has been gone so long we kind of forget
that he's gone. But he's a really important player for them,
and that's part of it. For that fourth down that
we nominated for Worst throw of the Year, here were
the skill position players on the field. Emmanuel Wilson, Malik Heath,
Saveon Williams, Romeo Dobbs, and John Fitzpatrick. I mean that's
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pretty rough group, Like it's not very talented, so it's
not a talented group.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
I think this might be the game that you've been
wanting for Jordan Love honestly, because if you first of all,
missing Tuch the QB Island spot, a QB Island game
for Jordan, well potentially after two weeks ago had such
a defining, incredible game and then last week, you know,
the Packers were just not good enough and so okay.
(07:26):
So because I think that without having Tucker Craft, who
wowed everyone with his yards after the catch running and
his ability to just carve out the middle of the
field and played incredibly before the injury, also is one
of the best blocking attachments to an offensive line in football,
and that's part of why they felt so confident running
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the ball. Luke Musgrave is a more of a pure
passing mismatch tight end. So I don't think you're gonna
be able to do the plotting run game the way
that maybe they had. I do think that you're gonna
lean on where you actually have a strength, even minus
your your massive Jenga piece in in Tucker Craft, and
that is try to formulate and force passing mismatches. And
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it's tough to do against this Eagle's secondary, but they
are more vulnerable than they.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
Had been last season.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
And this is going to be really really interesting to
me especially, I mean, is this is gonna play? Is
this a revenge game? What do we I don't know
if he's gonna play.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
I would assume that they Yeah, I would assume they
traded with him, traded him with the idea to have
him active on game days and participants.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
They go out for the coin toss against the Packers,
just autonomous, whether.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
Whether he's supposed to or not.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
All right, incredible work. I do think we saw some
of that frustration trying to be explosive in the run
game for Lafleur when saving Williams fumbled and then Lafloor
was yelling at him on the sidelin. I think that
was the frustration of not being explosive in the run
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game and then you try to get the ball to
save on Williams in the run game and he fumbles.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
It kind of over the whole Savion Williams thing too.
In general, like guys that use as gadget, guys that
has diminishing returns. Here's a little news that involves the Packers,
by the way, he is visiting Sante Samuel Junior is
visiting the Packers, among many other teams, and he's just
an interesting player that could be added to the mix.
Was quite high on my free agency list based on,
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you know, his his play, which is a little up
and down, but pretty good at a high level. But
he had spinal medical fusion surgery this offseason and was
finally clear to play this week. And he's visiting the Panthers, Packers, Vikings,
forty nine Ers, Bears, and Steelers. I mean, that's I've
never heard of a visit list that long time. They
won't go that way.
Speaker 6 (09:48):
They all want to check the medical and see if
it fits their personal specs. You know a lot of times,
you know, guys will show up and give the diagnostics
to a team.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
They're like that, we want our doctors to check you.
Speaker 6 (09:57):
Because there are some teams that have we a sleep
at night policy, like can we sleep well at night
putting a player on the field, And there are other
teams that do not. And so I think that's why
he's visiting so many teams, and he's probably gonna pick
a spot which could be best for him.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Or whichever one has the immortal chamber.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Right now, I would.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Ask like, hey, can I get you guys all in
one place, like getting poked and prodded like seven different times,
like after sitting on multiple planes, like eh, like I
already had bad.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
That's why team team team teams want to get guys.
You have to be poking product three or four times
to see how durable that is. That's that is a
technique in the combine, Like give me an injured player
after he's worked out for three teams, because I want
to see how durable that thing is.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well, you know, you get good veteran teammates and then
you get ones that set you up with incredible segues
like chambers, like quarterbacks that play in Southern California. It
is Matthew Stafford and the Los Angeles Rams steve four
and a half point favorites against the team that beat
them at their best in so far on Thursday Night Football,
the San Francisco forty nine playing host forty nine and
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a half is the over under Kevin Burkhart and Tom Brady.
It is the Fox Uno to see Mac Jones once
again jump.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Starting for the forty nine ers. How do you see
it going? How are the Rams a four and a
half point favorite. That's a big number and they've outscored
there the teams they've played since playing the forty nine
ers eighty four to twenty.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
I mean fine, but you know, you look at these matchups, Darrenel,
do they tend not to go like this? Look, the
Rams out played them at so FI, But the giveaways,
I mean, some of the punchouts, some of the players
who stepped up for the forty nine ers. And Christian
McCaffrey has been the bane of the Rams exist is
look at his numbers against the Rams, even if he
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was in Carolina. He like averages about one hundred and
fifty combined yards against him in passing and receiving.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
He carry, he touches the ball.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I was looking at this yester year like twenty four
times or more against the Rams. They can't find a
matchup against him. I know the Niners defense might be
you know, banged up. What ever, it plays well against
the Rams. I'm not saying the Rams are gonna lose
this game. Just four and a half points is a
huge number, especially with the Rams great kicking issues that
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they've had this year.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Look, Mac Jones, no no CARDI party for you.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
No thicker, thicker kicker is on the practice squad.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Oh oh, there we go, competition. Where's the big booty drop?
We missed that one? Is massive? There it is there,
it is. Look.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
I like the Rams, which I think whoever wins this game,
it can and it can't be the Niners if you're
the Rams, because then they swept you, They've got tiebreaker yeah.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
For you so and they beat Seattle one.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (12:44):
I actually like San Francisco in this game, just because
the mccaffree factor, whoa.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Kyle Shanahan's having probably his best year coaching, honestly, and
that's saying something considering some of the team, the monster
teams that he's that he's coached, and Robert sala is
putting on an absolute clinics. You know, they're more and
more injured every week, and I think that becomes the
biggest threat factor to me, if you're thinking about these
matchups between the Rams and the forty nine ers and
(13:09):
how strange they can get and how in their own
heads the Rams can get against the forty nine ers
at times, I just don't think this goes that way.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
I just this Rams team.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
On two of three phases offense and defense, is such
a wagon. I mean, their offense is just rolling over people,
through people, past them in the air. Their offensive line
is finally all back together again. Rob Hanstein being back
last week was huge. The time to pressure went way
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up time wise versus quick pressure that sometimes can get
to Stafford and enforces that the shorter completions. Phukan Akua's
ribs injury is concerning.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
I do.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I would imagine they have one eye on this game.
Obviously that's always going to play physical against the forty.
They probably also have one game one eye on next week,
which is the Seattle game. Their first time that the
two teams have played each other. You really have to
manage this correctly if you're Sean McVay and the Rams.
And I think part of why they were able to
go so heavy personnel twelve personnel, thirteen personnel that oh,
(14:20):
I said something, it's finally happened. I freaking leave the
building and finally they finally freaking do it. Yeah, And
I think that that bodes well for playing a different
style of offense as you give Puka maybe a little
bit less of a workload.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
It was interesting that they alternated drives between their running backs.
Finally doing the thing that they say that they were
going to do between s and quorum adds a little
more explosion. I just think Stafford versus a team that
can't rush the passer, it's it's you're you're almost drying
dead if you're the forty nine ers. And they probably
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will get Bryce Huff back this week, which is a
big addition, but they're also losing Michael Williams. He's gone
for the season. Not much of a pass rusher there,
But like one of the reasons why when I was
splitting hairs, I know I made you mad, and I
didn't choose Stafford for for MVP was just his numbers clean.
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I mean, they're they're insane. They he is the best
quarterback in the league this year. His numbers versus pressure
are actually quite poor. He reminds me a little bit
of Tom Brady in his later years. And this is
a compliment. He's no longer hanging in quite as much
to take those big hits because he's playing the long
game and he's just he's just dirt and balls now.
And so his numbers yards. If you get this forty
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nine ers team, they're not going to get pressure on him.
I news flash, it's not gonna happen in this game. Well,
I think they smoke him.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
Teams are sitting pressure from depth at the second highest
rate against against the Ramfrey Kroons DA products a great
You just try to mess with the picture for Matthew
Stafford a little bit, but you gotta get it early,
uh with Stafford, or else you're in trouble where you've
gett in this situation where Devanta Adams is this red
(16:06):
zone tight end target tight end involved in the past
game too, and so there's there's so many different places
where you could say, well, that the history Kyle Shannan
figures it out. You know, maybe Common will get the
ball punched out on the one inch line again, like
it's it's hard based, like using the logical mindset to
say that the forty nine ers are going to win this.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, the inferior division team, they pull off one upset.
Speaker 4 (16:32):
They don't.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
They don't do it twice they I've seen, We've sure,
I know, but it wasn't. And it's many.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
I think. I think the Rams win.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
But these games get so weird and they feel weird,
and being the building all week feels weird.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
It's just like it's every it's everyone's tight.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Hopefully, hopefully Mac Jones has a standard gait by the
end of this game.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
He's not never punched over. He's so so extra with everything.
I love it, and I think.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
We wanted to get to throw the year nomination, right Greg.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh, yeah, let's we have. Let's see the deep.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
I wrote a whole poem about this throw last week.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Stafford and yeah, if you're on oh.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Look at his helmet because there's Dvante running the deep
dig there's Stafford.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
Who's he looking at? Not you?
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Very similar to the throw in the Super Bowl to
Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's beautiful. But but here's the thing. Doing that on
a intermediate to deep depth route takes a level of
confidence in oneself that not many human bells.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
That's also disrespectful, can be honest, it's thirty yard pass
down the field.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Look the linebacker show.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
But he did it in the Super Bowl. Wasn't quite
as it wasn't this deep, wasn't that deep, but it
was pretty deep it was.
Speaker 5 (17:47):
It was it was like a twelve yard pass.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
I'm just saying it is disrespectful, but so is every
celebration says hold. It's the quarterback version of holding out
the ball while you're running towards the end zone. It's
just that in a little sizzle to your son. For
those linebackers dropped like twenty yards each.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
You got a runner with DeVante and he just springs
it to him.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
When I when I put this game on this morning,
yeah no, look at thee I think it's a strong one,
so sick and the crazy thing is like it wasn't.
I mean, it was the best throw he made all day.
But his deep one too was almost as good. He's
feeling himself, and I just think the forty nine ers. Look,
they're not getting weirdly, they're we talked so much about
(18:28):
their rookie class earlier in the season, and now they
lost Michael Williams stout there. Nickel has been a little
up and down, and the other guys, like the defense,
they're not helping, they're not playing, there's injuries. They're just
a thin team and they're trying their best. I think
the most symbolic play I have I should have made
this a Play of the Year nominee is last week
with a seventeen point lead. I think it was McCaffrey,
(18:50):
might have been Brian Robinson was trying to pick up
a short yardage situation. It doesn't look like he's gonna
get it. And Mac Jones, who's all disheveled and everything's
all met stup and his face is busted. He runs
in there and he lowers his shoulder player to push
the pile forward, and I'm like, Mac Jones is out
there living life. I love it. Football player. That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So see if mac Jones can do it again against
the Los Angeles Rams. It's time for the Sunday Drive
presented by Toyota. Let's go places, the Pittsburgh Steelers, fresh
off of thrashing once again one of the best teams
in the AFC, are on the road to Sofi Stadium
to take on Herbo and the tackle list Chargers, who
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are a three point favorite. Forty five and a half
is the over under Mike Tarico, Chris collins Worth, the
entire gang on NBC. Do you need tackles to beat
the Steelers?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I think that would be helpful help yes, not a question.
Not sure if Bobby Hart who it's crazy, like, oh,
I hope we can get Bobby Hart back. He was
like literally their fifth tackle and was like, didn't make
the best at one point, but he got hurt during
last week's game too, so hearing that penning is going
to be a tackle and against this team. It's in particular,
(20:08):
it's not like the Chargers major in a quick passing game,
like despite all these offensive line injuries, like Herbert's back there,
he's holding the ball and he's trying to make plays,
and he is making plays. I felt bad not listing
him in the MVP of conversation because I do think
just he is playing as well as any other quarterback,
and you just think about him versus Herbig and Wat
(20:29):
and high Smith was probably their best edge guy last week.
One thing I noticed was a couple of the plays
that high Smith and Wat got off. It was because
Herbig got doubled, which is a very interesting wrinkle at
their stage of development. But it just shows how many
weapons they have.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
But Herb's been you know, a high volagy pressure got
for years. I mean, he's a heck of a player.
And I think somebody got into Watt in the high
Smith and said, this time we start earning your money.
Here we got to get Maybe it was Cam Hayward
because he was very strong against those guys. The guys
getting paid showed up last week. This is this is
an intriguing matchup because Arthur Smith would love this because
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there's a tight end on the Chargers. I'm sure he
would love to have on a team at Ronda Gadson Junior.
I think he's gonna be the threat for the Chargers
in this game. There's got to be some type of
quick outlet pass the game. Even though they don't have it.
They don't really have a matchup because their edge guys
are forward going guys. They don't really have a dude
to match up with Gats and so I think he
is going to be a factor big time in this game.
(21:29):
I like Pittsburgh in this game. I think Aaron Rodgers
is starting to play better football. Real just the real
interesting storylines in this game. I just want to see
Pittsburgh can keep it up. But the Chargers without those
offensive tackles, to me, is a significant issue.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Two unpredictable teams.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
I'm super curious, especially with what the Steelers did to
the Colts tackles.
Speaker 5 (21:51):
Like you noted on the on.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
The The Recap Show this week, Greg, I'm really interested
to see if the Steelers play Ronde Gadson the same
way they played Tyler Warren and that was pulled Jalen
Ramsey back to the deep safety position and mix up
your zone pressure to and get that pressure especially on
the outsides, to really mix up the quarterback and kind
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of know where the quarterback is looking. It's really hard
to mix up Justin Herbert and obviously he will make
plays with his legs. But it is curious because so
this Chargers offense being able to funnel through a mismatch
tight end the way that the Colts offense is also
able to do I'm curious to see if they deploy
a similar game plan because that one was so effective
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to the two to six takeaways.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And it does sound like Ramsey's just playing free safety
now and not like they said it's going to be permanent.
But he said he's there this week and they have injuries.
It's easy to forget. They lost to Shawn Elliett, they
lost I think Chuck Clark it was, and he's just
playing free safety. It is weird that he's essentially playing
Minka Fitzpatrick's role like that trades. It seems something, but
it's something though he's wanted to do for years.
Speaker 6 (22:59):
Yes, he talks about his affinity for Charles Woodson and
making that change and so and.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Let's be real, like he was not playing well in
man coverage, and even last week where they did play
you know, the split safeties a lot more, they look different.
They still played the Colts more man coverage than any
other team had all year because that's what their cornerbacks
can do. And I think you look at these matchups
for the charges. That's the thing. If he can just
if basically, if Justin Herbert can play offensive line for
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himself by just running around and making it happen, and
he had to do it even against the Titans. Then, man,
there are mismatches with lad And, with Gadson and with
Quinton Johnson, like against the Steeler secondary.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, fortunately for Justin Herbert, he's got one of the
best pass protecting running backs in the entire NFL in
Camani Videl.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
Yes, back there.
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Where you know he's he's making plays in the past
game again, whether catching the ball or blocking for herbal And,
I think they're gonna need it's it's gonna be Herbo
out on the edge.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Yeah, make high spur this.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
You have lad And and QJ come back to the ball,
and I've got some work the middle and just Justin
figure it out. It's going to be quarters of that
versus the Steelers kind of plotting their way down the field,
scoring a predictable twenty two points.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Yeah, they have really gone extreme in terms of the
ball coming out of Rogers's hands so quickly and it
being short. But I don't think they'll need to throw
it that much. That the Chargers are twenty seventh against
the run, and so you think of those jumbo packages
and Darnel Washington.
Speaker 5 (24:24):
And all the tight end Jalen Warren.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Jalen Warren like the Chargers are not a good run defense.
I'm a little stunned the Chargers are favored yeah by
three in this game. My take on the Chargers is
that they've actually overachieved quite a bit this year based
on what's the real level of where they should be. Yeah,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 5 (24:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
My colleague Daniel Popper at The Athletic actually wrote two
sentences that I think are really depressing but really well written,
where you said the ceiling for this season caved in when.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
Alt was lost for the year.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Trading for Penning is the equivalent of cleaning up the rubble.
It hurts because and yet because bars, But it hurts.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
Because it's Herbert back there. They are a must watch
every week, and with the weapons that he has, and
you give him a chance in a game where I
trust the Chargers coaching just a little bit more than
I do the Steelers. Steelers, you never know what you're
gonna get. That's true of the games we will talk
about after the break. We have almost made it to
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the end of our Week ten preview.
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Speaker 1 (26:23):
Back on NFL Daily. Big week in terms of the news,
the future of this country getting shaped. But that wasn't
the biggest news. The biggest news was that Tom Brady
revealed his dog JUNI, was cloned from a previous dog
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that he owned back in twenty twenty three. And the
first thing I thought about when I learned not only
did Tom Brady clone his dog, but that he's an
investor of the company that cloned his dog. I wanted
to hear what Patrick thought about that.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
Well, it's similar thing that you've heard me say.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
Every single time we for some reason find out about
Tom Brady's most recent investment, which is, every single time
that Tom Brady has money going on in something, it
becomes news. And Tom is at the forefront of seemingly
every circumstance.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That I you know, personally, I'm I'm not a money guy.
I know, Larry little about everything.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Every time we find out about some tech thing, it's
Tom Brady is there.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
And sometimes it doesn't work too well, and it's a
you know.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
Maybe it's a fad, you know, maybe there's a pickleball
league coming on, maybe it's some crypto thing, but it
seems like it's always Tom Well.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Like the crypto pickleball ven diagram is just like a circle.
It's everyone, it's all together. My bigger thing, though, is,
you know you are all dog owners. I believe you're
not anymore. I can't take it too okay, but you
you you know, I'm just what are your thoughts on
you know, you know, what would you clone Tucker your dog?
Speaker 5 (28:01):
Jordan, Well, it wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
Well, yeah, yeah, that's my take. There's only one Tucker.
It's my Tucker, and that wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, that's the same exact space where I am, like,
in a spiritual sense, I do believe in an individuality, and.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
I believe animals have souls, and yeah, it wouldn't be Tucker.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
And they can't talk and they can't necessarily consent to anything.
So it's a lot of the same way I feel
about you know, quote unquote AI or plagiarism machines, especially
when somebody is no longer with us that they don't
have they don't have the ability to say whether or
not they want this thing, and so hopefully, you know,
Tom's pupp would have wanted this.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
Let the Venn diagram also between people who clone their
dogs and chat gptwo users also to a circle and.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Keep it away from me. So like these last couple
of Games of the week, I'm curious if the lines
are going to bounce back.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
And we'll see if they If there's a team we
expect to bounce back, it is Dan Campbell's Detroit Lions.
Speaker 4 (29:01):
As the oddsmakers feel like they will.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
They are eight and a half point favorites over Marcus
Mariota and the Washington Commanders. As we are hoping for
a return at some point for Jaden Daniels with that
dislocated elbow. The over under is forty nine and a
half points. Kenny Albert and Jonathan Vilma, they're on the call,
Jordan as the Lions got beat. They got beat. Dan
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Campbell acknowledged it. There's any number of places where they
could have improved. Do they play better against a defense
that's had some issues recently.
Speaker 3 (29:34):
Well, that's putting it lightly, Patrick, because the Washington Commanders
came into this season I think a huge concern and
question mark on the defensive side of the ball, the
oldest defense in the league, and immediately did nothing to
soften anyone's fears about them. And now they're banged up.
They've got players, you know, they got guys that are hurt.
Their linebackers are not playing the way that they expect
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from from the caliber or the reputation those linebackers. Their
plans for some of their players is mystifying to me.
Steve tid I know we've talked a lot about that,
and I think that the Lions are probably pissed off
and they're looking to roll and I think they will.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think they have real questions that we aren't going
to really get answered in this game because they're just
too good. Yeah, but Colton Pouncey, your colleague at the Athletic,
had some numbers that supported something that was in my
head too, is like eye test wise, they don't quite
look the same on offense, and he did have some
numbers to back it up that they are sixteenth and
explosive play rate, they are twelfth in overall offensive success rate,
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and their twenty sixth in terms of their rushing success
All three of those numbers last year were top two
in the league in terms of offense. So they have
put up some big scoring numbers. They've had, you know,
moments where they've looked, but they haven't been as consistent.
And I think it's that interior line. And they also
lost Christian Mahogany for a while, maybe not the season,
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but he's a starter and he's going to be And
Taylor Decker is talking about retirement at the end of
the year and trying to just fight through one last
year and he picked up another injury. He's had a
soulder problem that I think might make this his last year.
And now he has a knee injury on top of that.
Him and Padey Sewol we're both out on Wednesday, out
of practice. So just some concerning signs.
Speaker 6 (31:18):
And Taylor Decker is it's kind of like a you know,
not Joe not but who who's Roger Saffoo was the
Rams a couple of years ago, where he's basically held
together by like tape, no power, and so the offensive
line has not been as dominant. And remember they lost
some guys in the offseason too, but against the Commanders,
I mean the command I.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Mean Marshawn Latimore is out for the season. He wasn't
playing great.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Anyway, They've got nobody to generate pass pressure pressure.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
They went out.
Speaker 6 (31:45):
The players that they signed on the defensive front were
run stoppers because they were getting gashed on first down
by the run last year. So they wanted to solidify
the run and then come up and be creative on
second and third and known passing situations when now teams
aren't even known passing downs. So this is am or
Detroit should have its way putting points on the board
in Washington what's stopping anybody?
Speaker 1 (32:05):
Anybody anyway, Joe. We talked about Frankie Louver.
Speaker 6 (32:07):
They're having to use him on the edge to create
pressure that's created gaps.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
All over the middle of the defense. In the running
passing games.
Speaker 6 (32:14):
It just they're just throwing stuff, you know, out there
to see what they can do because of all the
beat up personnel they have defensively.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
It's because when you do that with an inside linebacker
as frequently as they're doing it with Frankie Luvu, it
becomes mathematically appealing for an opposing defensive coordinator to say, Okay,
I'm gonna make it so you only have eleven players
on the field because you're just gonna waste that guy's rush.
You're gonna find a way to get him, tilt the
play away from him, or block him up, er chip
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or do something, and then you're able to say, okay, now,
who am I gonna because you only have technically eleven
Now in my math, who am I going to target?
Who am I going to circle? Who am I going
to block out of the play? And a lot of
times too, it's been the other linebacker a lot of
times they're blocking.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Which is Bobby Wagner that he's getting doubled and getting.
Speaker 3 (32:59):
Stilled, getting doubled, and he's getting sort of pushed out
of the play because again, they have this mathematical advantage
and teams are able to key in on these things.
And when you have a concern like that in the
middle of your defense, you have nothing and real quick.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Frank you Louvi Well, he is playing this weekend. His
hip drop tackle suspension got overturned. He's being fined a
hunting grand but he's gonna be able to play this week.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I thought it was interesting the Commanders didn't make any
trades at the deadline. There was some reporting that they
were talking Debo or von Miller potentially to the Bills.
That was from Tim Graham, but that never happened. They
could have been sellers. Some of the teams that didn't
make any trades I thought were telling, like the forty
nine Ers, not trying to trade too hard for anyone
who's kind of like maybe they're accepting their fate. The
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Commanders didn't become sellers, but I think they know where
they are for the rest of the Well, you're gonna
be talking compensatory draft pick when you there. Look at them,
especially with Debo.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
Yeah, yeah, and so it maybe gets a little insight
into how they view their roster construction of all the term.
Maybe not as much the way they view uh their
hopes this season. But you know, if you're watching on YouTube,
you saw the Elijah Royo touchdown where it's a similar
thing where the Commanders have given up the third most
completions on vertical routes all season long, and Jared Golf's
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been throwing them actually more than he did in the
Ben Johnson era where we saw the late touchdown to
Jamis and Williams on a vertical route. So maybe the
Lions get a chance to work on that, uh, you know,
increase that metric and get the explosive plays by you know,
maybe Isaac Taslaw get.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Yeah, I'd like to see them.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I'd like to see them close a game early on
because I really want the opportunity to say the offensive
coordinator Morton salting away game.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
Oh, I'll leave, I will leave.
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Actually, no, don't go anywhere, Jordan, because we've got another
game one, We've got our last game and it's the
best team I'll say it in the NFL right now.
Playing host to Jacoby Brissett at the Arizona Cardinals. The
Seattle Seahawks are six and a half point favorites. It
is Kevin Harlan and Trent Green on CBS's wrapping up
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Greg Where where's the weakness? How can we find the
point of injury for NFL teams to compete with what
Mike mac has going on in the Pacific Northwest?
Speaker 1 (35:21):
The weakness is that they got to play the unstoppable
Jacoby Brissett this week and the Arizona Cardinals very interesting
that they named Jacoby Brissett the starter and one day
later Kyler Murray goes on injured reserve. Now Murray's been
out with that foot injury. No one's questioning that. You know,
obviously he's hurt, and there was some reporting. Ian Rapport
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put it out that you know, sometimes with these foot
springs it's a four plus week injury. The thing that's
confusing is he's already been out a month. He wasn't
put on injured reserve before, so they were hoping it
would appear that he would be back within that four
week window, and he's been on the practice field for
three weeks. Clearly they're playing better offensively. We don't need
to repeat all the reasons why. Like with Jacoby Brissett,
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it's just obvious you can see it. But how it
all was being handled, I think it's fair to like
wonder what exactly was going on behind the scenes and
if Kyler Murray's going to be on the team next year.
I thought it was interesting that Gannon said, look, we
talked to Kyler, and we talked to a few people
before making this decision to putting it on injured reserve.
This is like an organizational thing. What's been going on
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going to Jacoby.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
I think if he wasn't really hurt.
Speaker 6 (36:33):
We hear Kyler Murady talk about it, whether it's social posts, scrubbing,
you know, the cardinals from his Instagram or whatever.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
You know, I think he is hurt.
Speaker 6 (36:41):
Maybe they said, okay, maybe he can come back, Maybe
he can come back, you know what.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
But now we got another We got another month, so
he'll be out almost two months by at that point.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
So let's sit him. Jacoby Brissett's playing well. Marvin Harrison
got the ball last game. Everyone talks about like he
was getting the ball before. He wasn't getting targeted that
much beforehand, even with Jacoby Brissett. But the offense was
all on time. I think part of it. They're playing
a terrible Cowboys defense. I mean, because here's how misleading
some of this stuff is. The twenty seven points that
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Arizona scored, those are the third fewest points that.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
The Cowboys allowed there.
Speaker 6 (37:15):
All right, So as bad as their defense is, they
actually played better than they did normally.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
But Scoby precent, you just saw it.
Speaker 6 (37:21):
And part of his physical size, he can throw the
ball with a six or four DEFENSI e vent in
his face where was Kylo's got to bounce it extended?
Speaker 4 (37:28):
And everyone else is in scramble rules.
Speaker 6 (37:30):
And so I think Jacobi's patience with some things, but
also his quick decision making is why this offense is
working a little bit better, the offensive line playing a
little bit better, a little bit more physically. We'll see
how it goes. I mean, this week it's gonna be tough.
I mean, he'll show me something if he goes up
to Seattle and handles Leonard Williams and the way that
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defensive front. My god, they are smacking people.
Speaker 1 (37:53):
Up there, and they got swept last year by the Seahawks.
In a version of the Seahawks that wasn't as as
good as this one.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Yeah, I mean, I fully expect Seattle to take care
of business, but I really don't want it to get
lost that before they played the worst well the Bengals exist,
but before they played among the worst defenses in football.
Right now, Jacoby Brissett balled out against the Indianapolis Colts,
who have a good defense, and the Green Bay Packers,
who have a good defense. And so I think that
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this is important to remember that Jacoby Brissett has like
this consistency that the team really you can tell has craved.
If you listen to the press conference's postgame from Kalais
Campbell from Trey McBride, who was on the Scott Van
Pelt set after the game, they clearly wanted to keep
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rolling the way that they are regardless of an injury.
Kyler is hurt, and I think it's confusing for fans
when there are reports from practice of Kyler taking reps
with with at practice a couple of weeks ago and
then but but the injury is going to be something
that's that's sidelining him for a while as well. So
I think there's some mixed messaging that needs to get
under control out there for sure. But at the same time,
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I don't want to discredit what Jacoby Brissett has done
and how Drew Petson clearly clearly sees him as a
guy sort of a throwback of what Drew Petsing used
to do running this offense back when he was like
full on QBAC system under you know, with the Browns
under Stefanski.
Speaker 5 (39:21):
Those types of things.
Speaker 1 (39:22):
Show me something this week, because if they if they
can be competitive in this game and just give me
an entertaining product. They want more than that, but that
that would show that this team is still going to
make some noise. I think down the stretch, I'm not
sure if they can do it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
And I thought it was interesting though We're listening to
the broadcast and the booth is calling to keep Brissette.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Oh yeah, toy aikman, I don't he You just.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Don't hear that happen often. And this was before we
love Troy though, he'll do it, I'll tell you, but
this was before we knew that this was going to
actually be an injured reserve situation, you know what I mean? Like,
I know we have that context now, but to have
the broadcast team calling to keep Brisset as the quarterback
after going through. Tom Brady can downplay these meetings all
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they want, but those guys really get in there in
those meetings and they're in the building to say those
things on the broadcast was telling to me.
Speaker 2 (40:17):
And again, I'll bring it up once again because I
always will. I wish the booth community had collectively decided
to support Jacoby Brissett when he clearly should have been
the starting quarterback in Cleveland, where it's a little bit
for some reason, it was easier for people to defend
Deshaun Watson keeping his starting job, where Kyler Murray has
kind of been on the opposing end of threats and
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critique from the general booth community for the majority.
Speaker 5 (40:42):
Of his immunity.
Speaker 1 (40:44):
Right though, Yeah, like.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
If there's a guy there, everybody's like, well, you know,
they're better now with cha, Kobe, it's going to be Kyler.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
Let's think about like this game two from Seattle's point
of view, they're coming off like a high. It's a
much tougher matchup. Rashid jaheat is there. You know, for
the first time, they already led the league in air
yards per attempt. So I do love a team that's
building on strengths like strength and strength and strength, and
he's just gonna give them so much. And I am
curious just when they're on offense their offensive line, who's
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played well against this Cardinals front, which can test your
protection scheme and your communication. And they have Walter Nolan,
now who I love. Look who looks great? Who look good?
So that it's a good matchup. I think when when
the Seahawks have the ball.
Speaker 6 (41:30):
What this does, though, getting Shaheed is going to open
up the run game because now you've got two vertical threats.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
You know, we know Jason's better up to.
Speaker 6 (41:36):
Seem Now you've got a guy who could do stuff
on the outside. Okay, so now you're gonna have to
If you're playing Nickel, you're more worried about rotating coverages
and seeking a safety to stop the run, yes, which
is what teams are doing to the Seahawks. So this
is something that's going to open up things for Arroyo
in the middle of the field. But I think because
they're Seattle doesn't run the ball consistently well, this is
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going to pull guys back to open up some teams.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
One hundred percent, and they can stay in twelve personnel,
which they clearly have designed their version of twelve personnel
because they want to attack teams in the passing game
with two dominant receivers and two dominant tight ends as mismatches,
and they're not seeing a lot of light boxes. To
your point, Steve, they're only seeing light boxes twenty percent
of rushing attempts this season, and so that number is going.
Speaker 5 (42:22):
To dramatically change.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
That's going to probably flip on its head because they're
going to have to pull everybody back to the middle
of the field.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
I will say, if you're if you're a Seattle fan
who's grading things and Darnald's throwing all these downfield passes,
there's only four teams that have more interceptions than touchdowns
allowed on deep passes, and one of them is Aira's
on the Cardinals. Hey, now you know, maybe you know
why you're working things out there.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
You go, I'll never throw up. I'll never put it
past Jonathan Gannon to come up with no he can
one week game cam game plan that makes it tight,
makes it tough. So they're six and a half point favorites.
They're pretty decent survivor option. I know we respect the Cardinals,
but we have not picked our survivor pick of the week.
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Last week we had the Rams. I mean, we've been
in blowout city. We've hit what seven straight weeks? Now
we have in terms of the survivor.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
Can I offer up Bryce Young and the Carolina Panthers
at home?
Speaker 1 (43:20):
No, against the Saints.
Speaker 4 (43:21):
We could chase the Saints two weeks.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
In a row, but we're not eligible to take the
following teams the Bills, Lions, Packers, Chiefs, Colts, Rams, essentially
the best offenses in the league. As you pointed out
a week ago, that really does eliminate a lot of
the good options in this week, in particular, it's getting
tough out here. The Panthers are a strong option. I
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would say the Panthers and the Seahawks are to me
pretty clearly the best two options.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yeah, if you're asking me, Jacobe or Tyler Shuck, I'm.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
Yeah, I'm going I'm going Panthers.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Carolina could do this.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
But so I can win either way. Either we win
as a group where I can point out that.
Speaker 5 (44:07):
It should have been the scene and isn't that just
what it's all about?
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yes, pretty much.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
I would like to use you guys as a resource
for a project that I've been working. Oh okay, because
I know you've had a conversation about the MVP. Yes,
the MVP conversation is sometimes deemed a race, sometimes simply
deemed a conversation, but more often than not, it takes
the form of a verbal tournament. Steve oh loosely defined
rules that seemingly change from year to years. So I
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wonder what if I use the incredible resource of the
brain power available to me at NFL Daily Wow, and
facilitated a conversation about the conversation while also highlighting its
inherent absurdity and lack of logical consistency to ultimately predict
the twenty twenty five Most Valuable Player using key metrics.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
Oh wow, Okay, So it's a.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
Scoring system that begins because, as Baker Mayfield said, and again,
this is not what I believe. This is just what
the circumstances have put forth. Because Greg who does it
all the time. We have to analyze the people voting
for the MVP while we make our statements about who
the MVP is going to be. So once Week ten begins,
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if you are a non quarterback, it is minus seventeen points.
We have to go back to Adrian Peterson. The only
reason he got the MVP is because a lot of
the qualifications weren't met by the quarterbacks this year. If
you're a defensive player, it is minus fifty points off
the bat.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
You have to do the following things.
Speaker 2 (45:29):
If you have a positive game after week ten and
you are in the conversation, which we've already established, some
players who are in their conversation will finalize things and
make this. Once we get week ten going, it's a
plus five. If you as a positive game in primetime
or a major four to twenty five Eastern time start
after week ten, it's plus seven. If it's after week
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ten against the contender, it's plus ten. Okay, and you
guys don't have to worry. I'll track all this and
axcell spreadsheet that.
Speaker 1 (45:57):
I'm going to get ross here.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Negative prime time game after week ten is negative twelve. Okay,
after week eleven it's negative fifteen. Remember back when Brock
Purty was an MVP contender and he had the negative
prime time game fell off.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
He was done at that point. Yep. It was the
same thing happened to Michael Vick in like a Monday
night game. It was Michael Vick versus Tom Brady. Three
weeks later, Michael Vick didn't get a vote. Yep.
Speaker 2 (46:23):
And so it's those scoring prime time versus prime time
against contender. The scoring goes up and changes every single week.
I'll have the full list available whenever we finish negative
primetime game. After week thirteen goes all the way up
to negative twenty.
Speaker 1 (46:39):
Oh yeah that does hurt. Yeah, you guys will.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
Be helping me to determine whether it was a positive
game or a negative game. Again, in my view, things
can be a little bit about to say, you could
play Patrick Mahomes could go thirteen to thirty exactly.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
But in terms of the MVP conversation, it is there
are only winners.
Speaker 1 (46:58):
And yeah, it's true. It is very binary. If it's
a four h five game, Let's say that Darnald Baker
Mayfield Seahawks game happens later in the year, but it's
four oh five, it's buried. It's it's a Fox game.
When it's a CBS doubleheader week well later yet minus
what happens.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, later in the year, Greg the flex comes into play, Okay,
because in the conversation later in the year.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Games are important to me.
Speaker 2 (47:24):
They're all football games, and we can evaluate the teams
with their totality. The rest of this is the Baker
rules that the Baker mayfield logical understanding of the MVP
applies here. If you're leading the NFL in a category
while in the conversation, but it only lasts for that week,
it's plus five. If you break a season long NFL
record at the end of the season, it's plus fifteen.
(47:45):
If you've never won the MVP despite a solid resume,
it is plus twelve. And if you've won multiple MVPs
or you won the MVP last year, it is minus six.
Speaker 4 (47:55):
Yeah, in the final week, that is the conversation.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Wow, they will be playing in the final week. Yeah,
this explained that, like Drew Brees rules. Yeah, this explains
why JJ Watt did not win the MVP that season
that he had the greatest season any defensive player has
ever had, because he had the minus fifty yeah right.
Speaker 5 (48:13):
After really sunk him.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
Really because he got close even with he was in
the conversation every week.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
The conversation, Well, I don't know how we determined who
was even starting the conversation, because one of the most
ridiculous things about the conversation. Do you remember, oh, you know,
mid October when Baker Mayfield and Dak Prescott were in
the conversation and yet here we are just a few
weeks later.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
But how does it like they're not the Baker himself
said that this is when football starts.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
This is it? How do Saqua did they get back in?
Speaker 4 (48:43):
We will not win that last year? Then they played
another of a prime.
Speaker 1 (48:46):
Time Well he got the minus the top though he.
Speaker 2 (48:48):
Got the mopt deal. He got the minus seventeen and
one time. And Josh Allen's team had the consistent success
and he plays the quarterback position, and he had big
wins late.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And he hadn't won the VP before despite a great resume.
That's a plus twelve.
Speaker 6 (49:02):
Here's my question for you got no shot, No he doesn't.
Speaker 3 (49:08):
What do we do we also count? So obviously we
count players who are in the conversation?
Speaker 1 (49:14):
Correct?
Speaker 4 (49:14):
Okay?
Speaker 5 (49:15):
Do we also count.
Speaker 3 (49:16):
Players who are the subjects of many takes and and
quotes and headlines that say we should be talking.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
More about that's Daniel Daniel Jones rule, or it's.
Speaker 5 (49:33):
Time to have a conversation about Yes, those guys.
Speaker 2 (49:36):
Once the conversation is invoked, you can be placed in
the conversation. But if if statistically you're eliminated from the
point total, it's it's not gonna be like Sam Darnold
and and Dimes will remain in the conversation significantly longer
than JSN and Jonathan Taylor despite perhaps not having a
similar level. It's that Stafford bump right there, Matthew Stafford
(49:58):
is hitting a lot of these.
Speaker 3 (49:59):
Hitting a lot of the qualifications for the conversation.
Speaker 1 (50:03):
We need to be talking more about conversation. Is is
it like a cousin. I think it's a cousin to
this conversation. Yeah, related, Yeah, Well those are.
Speaker 4 (50:12):
The guys who the scoring is a little bit lower.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
So it's a tear down, okay, And so they're going
to need some huge performances perhaps break perhaps break an
NFL record in order to get into the action conversation.
Speaker 1 (50:22):
I'm glad we did this. I'm glad. I'm looking behind
the glass and I'm seeing our producers. Drew is like
wondering why am I here right now? Why is this
show still going on?
Speaker 5 (50:32):
eRx, Just thinking about how much math he's going to
have to do all the island.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
None of this is going on in the NFL channel.
It's all being cut out. You're not going to see
it at a prime pizza back on the back patio.
Speaker 5 (50:44):
Yeah, I have to show up on Friday afternoon have
a conversation about that.
Speaker 1 (50:47):
Yeah, we should. You can't check us out, by the
way on the NFL channel, I believe Friday afternoons, maybe
Wednesday afternoons, who knows. It's it's all surprise, and we
will be back in this vary feed for Thursday night football.
And because Nick shook and eye look at Raiders Broncos,
and we say there's a chance it's one sided, we're
(51:08):
gonna give you more. We're gonna do a little power rankings.
We haven't done that in a long time. So we're
gonna come up with who are the best teams in
the NFL. That'll be us on Thursday night. But I
don't know if we can top this show. Let's have
a conversation about
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