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April 30, 2024 84 mins

In a room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, Marc Sessler, and Patrick Claybon go around the AFC in 48 minutes! The heroes start their trip across the AFC with the East (07:40), followed by the North (29:36), South (43:12), and West (01:02:54). 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
They around the NFL podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
There's a quiet storm brewing from the Chris Westling podcast studio.
It's around the NFL. I'm Dan Hans's got heroes here.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
I always do.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Greg Rosenthal, Mark Sessler people should know well speaking of
Behind Blue Eyes with Belichick on our last show, Mark's
Got the Icy Blues. Sometimes there's still a storm that
can rage. But the nickname doesn't fit quite as well
as it did five, six, seven years ago.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
It will continue to be your nickname.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
On a level, Yeah, but the quiet storm is a
different chapter in the Mark Sessler life on a certain level.

Speaker 4 (00:47):
I mean, I'd say it's it bubbles to the surface
less than it used to. And I acknowledge that I'd
tried to work on some things, and especially when we
have a special guest in studio, I try to keep
a lid on some of my own temper.

Speaker 3 (00:59):
Not for me.

Speaker 2 (01:00):
Wait wait, let me introduce Okay, sorry, a very special
guest in studio.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
As answer.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
What I mean, what do you think Patrick CLAYBN Ladies
and gentlemen, Pat what do you think about whether or
not we agree with you, or I agree with you,
or the outside world agrees with the unmomentum. What do
you feel about the idea of momentum and its existence
becoming a central tenant of your your public face in
a way?

Speaker 5 (01:38):
I guess it's like, you know, Patrick has involved in
another dumb argument, this time with the planet. It happens
all the time in many aspects of my life. I'm
glad people are thinking about me at all, in any
you know, and so especially when it comes to this
where if I've caused anybody, whether they believe or don't
or whatever, to just think about you know, and the

(02:00):
way things work, Yeah, your own personal reality.

Speaker 4 (02:05):
Have you ever had a moment, like in the middle
of the night where you've been like, oh, I do
believe in momentum.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
No, how about this, and this is a little meta.
Have you ever thought about the idea your beliefs or
lack of belief in momentum has gained momentum within your
own life? That's a problem. No, I mean I believe
in cause and effect.

Speaker 5 (02:29):
This thing that comes up, even when I don't bring
it up right like we're talking about it now, is
a result of people thinking.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
And that's good, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:38):
I And and really, if we want to go before
we get to that because I'll go this is I'll
lose track of everything.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
I think the quiet storm is always brewing.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
My issue is with the way that society might force
the storm to be quiet, and I don't want that.
I want the storm to be out. I want Mark
Sessler to be with that. Sessler twenty four hours a day,
thank you. I just need to get that.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
I'll take that to heart.

Speaker 4 (03:02):
I'm not sure that Dan and Greg need it twenty
four hours a day.

Speaker 6 (03:05):
But I feel like literally the last time we were
in this podcast studio, or maybe it was Wednesday last
week we were, there was some poking of the bear
and this the eyes the storm was coming out just
last week.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Oh well, maybe it's still.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
I mean, it's like I.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
Said, I think it kind of is like Nature's law
and America wasn't it gets little storms like November, December,
January right.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
How the mock draft and let would also be stated
that the quiets the dissipation of the quiet storm or
of it moving out. To see, from my perspective, is
not me even saying Patrick that's a good or bad thing.
It's just more me being a Mark Sessler meteorologist and
being like, right now, it seems like the storm is

(03:47):
out to see is it permanently out? Could have come
back in as a what do they call it? The
high highest level hurricane and most we've got a category
if I cat five, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
I mean seven day weekly forecast. We don't know what's
after that week.

Speaker 3 (04:01):
Where we stand on weather. By the way we on
the weathermen that we.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
Live in LA. I literally knew it.

Speaker 4 (04:05):
Bothers me that anyone in La is ever looking at
the weather on any level.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
We had.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
We've got like eighty two weather ladies on all these
stations telling us what's going to have a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Of weather we had, we had a run there.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, come on, dude, I'm just saying, I don't.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh, it's raining like the old seventy time raining. So
everyone's driving twenty five miles slower and acting like they've
never seen, you know, the elements.

Speaker 5 (04:23):
To those of us who have logged a decade now
and are spoiled rotten, that was weather to us.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
No like uh, in fairness, I lived on the East
Coast a long time. Give me a snow day.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
It does not rain for four street days at any point,
like without stopping on the East Coast.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Some crazy things are happening. Crazy things are happening.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's there's been some storms, not all quiet momentum on
the weather scenario.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
There things are changing.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
See how it's all It's like a Seinfeld episode. Everything's
connected all right? Today is around the AFC in forty
eight minutes. Feels like we just did one of these
episodes he did almost just maybe speaks to a lack
of originality, but they are very effective in their goal,
which is and I get it.

Speaker 6 (05:05):
We don't usually do a like late free agency prop.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
I didn't think so that was an extra one. Yeah,
that's why it was a little bit on my radar. However,
I love these episodes and I know the listeners love
them because when you talk, for instance, we just did
our winners and losers, and we get a bunch of
teams in the mix, but you're gonna miss teams. We
will not miss a single team. We have missed a
team in the past one time. Yeah, apologies to the
Buffalo Bills fans of twenty eighteen or whatever. We promise

(05:33):
that will never happen again, and if it does, it
is the producer's fault.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
I think that is.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Yeah, I think put the blame elsewhere that type ability.

Speaker 6 (05:42):
But this post draft one we may have done all
the way back to like twenty fourteen.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
I think we've done this every time.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
Just this one.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, this one I think gets it's cleared. Eric, How
are you doing great? How was your wedding?

Speaker 1 (05:56):
My wedding?

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Oh, I mean yeah, I didn't no good. It was
a wife's coworker, so I was really not that invested.
Had some beers, White's pregnant, didn't have to drive home.
This is this is a rough listen for them, Big
Big Funk. I don't think they're listening Big Funk exactly.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Bad beat, bad beat.

Speaker 2 (06:14):
Big Funk did a nice job pinch hitting well ill,
which is never fun.

Speaker 1 (06:18):
Didn't even tell us he was ill until the till
the end.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
He will find a way to work it in though,
although there was there was before the show started. He
had a hot mic on while we were set up
remote and you could tell he was struggling and trying
to get things going. There's a lot of stuff to
do as a producer. And you can actually hear Big
Funk's inner monologue going like, oh.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Okay, I do this.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Yeah, but he made it through. Yeah, it was a
flu game for him. I haven't seen him though since yes,
I did see him with our neighbors, so I didn
see him. He's alive, but yeah, he flu game. He
was definitely under the weather on Saturday. Okay, good, all right,
let's uh without further ado play.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Bund's have got it.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Out hosting Total Access though we check that out.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Oh hell, I will ditch them if it comes to it. Guys,
amitted to all the teams. If this is your first episode,
that's cool. So this is the show where we go
around an entire conference three minutes per team, three minutes exactly.
And I knew ETP wouldn't miss this show because this
is when he gets to take out a weapon and

(07:20):
literally shoot a man in the throat if he must
to get him to shut up after three minutes. That's
part of the rules right there. And I don't know
why Patrick ketch one of the gut there. He didn't
need it, didn't deserve it, desk pop what is it from?
Do not shoot anything into the ceilings here? The sky's
already falling here at NFL Media. All right, let's get

(07:42):
into it, starting with the Buffalo Bills and Mark Ceciler.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
We're not skipping the Bills this time. The Bills a
lot of needs. Ten draft picks in total, added help
though at safety, defensive tackle, defensive end, cornerback, two new
offensive tackle, a running back, and a wide receiver, and
Keon Coleman, who dazzled in his pressler by announcing that
his coat was from Macy's.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
Butffalo is attempting a soft rebuild.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
From my pov called to reload if you'd like, while
hoping to remain one of the AFC's white hot treats.
I've talked for weeks months that I sense a darkness
filtering out of Western New York, a tightening vice, an
aura of internal pressure, outside doubts. This has been one
of the AFC's best stories over the past half decade.
Only the deeply cynical can't see something beautiful about the

(08:30):
existence of the Buffalo Bills. Yet I have a hunch
they'll find a way to crumble. Am I being too
tough on our beloved Bill?

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Oh? Boy?

Speaker 6 (08:37):
Yes, I pushed back against this whole idea that they
are rebuilding, reloading anything like that. What if I told
you they have as much continuity as almost any team
in the NFL. They have twenty I counted up somewhere
between nineteen and twenty one starters on their team that
were with the Bills last year. It's not an old roster.

(09:00):
The offensive line isn't in as good shape as it's
ever been with Josh Allen. They get Matt Malano back, Like,
there's great continuity, And I know they lost a couple
older pieces in the secondary, but the guys who are
playing there were there playing for them and they're young.
Last year, I actually look at a pretty strong roster
and yeah, you lost Stefan Diggs, but other than that,
this offseason, like they are a team that has a

(09:22):
lot of continuity, guys that were with the program a
year day.

Speaker 4 (09:25):
They lost a lot of like veteran locker room leaders
and yet to make some of those moves.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
But what can act like they lost no one.

Speaker 6 (09:31):
I think this is what they have, veteran locker room leaders,
is what I would say.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
I'm kind of sick of having this argument too, because
I just because a certain type of window for this
team closed doesn't mean the people that are saying I
are saying they can't contend. Like but the Stefan Diggs
von Miller when he was still good Josh Allen on
the rise, like that version of the Bills didn't get
over the hump. So now they're making some adjustments and
going out of a different route. I still can see
them as the favorite Navecy East, but this is a

(09:57):
year of transition on some level despite the continuity.

Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah, the difficulty is being better than they were at
their peak, and nobody is making the case that they are.
But there could be some teams to come back, Maybe
the Chiefs come back. Maybe this because the Bengals went
through a similar situation in the secondary last year, right,
and they eventually got better.

Speaker 2 (10:17):
But it's going to be a slow start. I think
it's always a process to get back to where you were.
The only part that the conversation comes in is are
you doing things that might deliberately hamstring your ability and
are you making those choices with full awareness of what
the results are going to be. Nobody knows the results,
but I think we can be confident in the Bills.

(10:38):
But the reason that we have these conversations is because
we're not as confident as we once were because of
the decisions that they made.

Speaker 4 (10:44):
Maybe this is where Odell Beckham goes We've talked about that.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
The Miami Dolphins with Patrick Claybah. I looking at the
twenty twenty four Miami Dolphins as I scroll back, they
came into a free agency with a lot of questions
on the defensive line, and then they got even more
questions as Christian Wilkins made his way to Las Vegas,
and so they The.

Speaker 5 (11:09):
Injury for Jalen Phillips was in week twelve. It was
a December thirty first ACL tear for Bradley Chubb. And
so you go into a first round where you're looking
at the edges and Dallas Turner, Layoutu Latu and Jared
Verse are the productive guys, and they all go and
so now you've got a need and you fill that
need with Chop Robinson, who is the projection guy. Like

(11:30):
it's like, well, we hope that we can have Chop
grow and learn and go into this season and become
a better player maybe twenty twenty five. But I don't
know that you put the traits guy in the role
of the production guys. And so I have faith in
the offense, but Fangio's departure, the injuries on the defensive line,
I don't know if there's a pressure to be generated

(11:53):
to make this defense what it can be. For the
off I have all the faith and Mike Mack and
everything in the offense intua, I just not know that
the defense is it.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
They lost three of six players that had five plus
sacks from a year ago, and they've got injured player
people coming off injuries, so they had a lot of
needs going into it. I don't have problem with them
addressing it with where they were in the draft to
do it. I look at the rest of their draft
and it's like, I think their defense is a work
in progress. But someone like Jalen Wright, whoevered seven point
four yards per carry and is very fast, like this

(12:23):
is kind of you know, is gonna work for Mike McDaniel.
And they'd added some stuff on on offense. But you're right,
I think the defense is a question mark. And they
like the Bills, they're shift. They're a different team on
some level from where they were a year ago.

Speaker 6 (12:34):
They have so many guys someone's got to get left
out there. Moster a hn right, Jeff Wilson still in
that roster. I liked what they did in the offseason
in terms of like adding Kendell Fuller Jordan Poyer, But
you mentioned Chop Robinson, bit of a project. Probably their
second round pick Patrick Paul was looked at like as
a trade. See like guy that they're gonna have to
really coach up a lot of changes on their defense

(12:56):
to your point, including that coordinator. And I worry about
their offensive line spa cially lost some real talent and
they're counting on guys who have been hurt a lot
and really counting on Mike McDonald to coach up the
offensive line and make up for a lack of talent.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
And have they in your opinion of the group, group's opinion.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Some of the fade of the offense in the last
couple of years pipeing hot in September, not as hot
by January. They didn't really address that, so they it
feels like they see that as a narrative quote unquote,
and they're gonna be okay there are we confident that
that's the case.

Speaker 6 (13:29):
No, I think that there is something to that that
he starts off these seasons hot and they fade.

Speaker 4 (13:36):
Well, yeah, it's like I and also when they go
into Kansas City and it's like minus eighty four degrees,
like they're not built that way and that's not no like.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
They could have taken the end of last year and
be like, Okay, what do we need to do to
Justin and maybe maybe it is the quarterback and that
would take another year to figure out. But that's that's
a big question around this team. It will remain that way.

Speaker 5 (13:53):
But I don't think it's a Kingsbury style faith though
none it's.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Hard to do that.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
The New England Patriots such it's it's you deserved it
because you were commenting on his comment that was about that.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I shouldn't I shouldn't have put a ribbon on it
or a bow as they'd say, I know, one of
those things.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Well, now you have a wound, so use the ribbons.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
The bandage, yes, the bleeding which is quite extensive right now,
that's efficient.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Just the heads up the New England Patriots.

Speaker 6 (14:22):
Greg Rosenthal, Okay, I'm going to ask the question and
then quickly answer it myself. Hopefully is this enough for
Drake May? Like around Drake May?

Speaker 3 (14:30):
That was the most Greg comment ever.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
Go ahead, love Jalen Poke seems like a Robert woodsyand
type of guy that can step in fairly soon and contribute.
Javon Baker was the guy people loved it. A deep three.
He's a fourth round pick.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
We'll see.

Speaker 6 (14:41):
H the offensive line, they're gonna have to coach it up.
They take a third round pick. They don't really have
a left tackle right now, but it's pretty deep at
receiver Kendrick Bourne to Mario Douglas, Jalen Polk, Juju Smith, Schuster,
kJ Osborn, like it's a ton of third receivers, but
they do have at least a bunch of them. I
tend to think if you add in Rimandri and Antonio Gibson,
they have enough people around him, and they have Jacobe Brissett.

(15:02):
I'm mostly worried about the coaching that is Alex van
Pelt and who else like their their quarterbacks coach, and
then our old friend from New York. Why am I
blanking right now? Who's on the staff too? Like is
the coaching staff gonna be good enough? Because it's to
me a lot of discarded pieces at wide receiver and
in the coaching staff offensively that have to like make

(15:25):
this all work cohesion wise.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
I think Van Pelt's gonna bring us to Fanski type offense,
you know largely, and I you know, that's not a
huge wide receiver.

Speaker 6 (15:34):
Why was he the one guy that no one ever
wanted to interview? And I was thinking of Ben McAdoo.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
By the way, no one wanted his photo on the website.

Speaker 4 (15:43):
I mean, but I think it's interesting to see what
happens with these whiteouts because they kind of zigged and
took like five straight offensive players.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I liked the trying around may to build them up.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
But Belichick drafted twenty one wideouts and only one of them,
Deion Branch ever, crossed six hundred yards in a season.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
So it's like at some point he's got a hit
on one of these.

Speaker 6 (16:02):
Well, Jillian Edelman, but technically he wasn't a wide autut
fair right, I mean, Julian not a wide when he
was a he was a quarterback.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
Yeah, comes in quarterback. They figured it out.

Speaker 1 (16:14):
You know, it's all true wide receiver in the draft.

Speaker 5 (16:15):
So yeah, yeah, go back to the Chad Jackson draft.
Whether I leave, the Patriots took him seven.

Speaker 6 (16:21):
Athol Johnson was a second round pick. Is a guy
he didn't even mention he was a second round pick
two years ago. They don't think he's going to make the.

Speaker 5 (16:26):
Team, but eventually, like these things are going to even
out and the Patriots aren't going to hit on somebody.
It's I don't know if it's a Belichick thing, if
it's an evaluation thing, or who knows, but the whole
thing is a big question mark to me, not not
just the coaching staff and disassembly. But it's not going
to be worse than Matt Patricia offense, like it's not

(16:47):
going to be change is going to be good in
that capacity, and I think it will give us an
ability to learn.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But before the season, who knows that.

Speaker 2 (16:56):
It will be interesting to track Reggie. I know you
will be tracking a close. The Pets moved back to
take Jilyn Polk at thirty seven when Lad McConkie was there,
so now you're naturally gonna kind of be tracking both
those guys and see who's the better pro.

Speaker 6 (17:10):
There was a report they tried to trade into thirty
two Buffalo or Carolina chose to trade with Buffalo, and
then the Patriots moved back, so Mike Reese suspects they
were moving up for either Keon Coleman or Xavier Lagette
and then that guy was taken.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Hmmm.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
It's tough, tough, tough, sitch, we move on the New
York Kuts.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
You're just trying to.

Speaker 6 (17:36):
Be to take a time out there, it goes, give
me that time out, time out. I just wanted to
put a little bit of a news onto the show.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
That inside Greg Rosenthal. Greg tastefull to take someone else's
bit that they made and repurpose it.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
But I'll let you have it an original.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
You could have come up with one on your own,
so it's all yours.

Speaker 6 (18:03):
And we got we got breaking media news from uh
the podcast that that our guy Bill Belichick will be
a part of the Tom Brady roast that Mark Sessler
is attending this weekend, and uh, I am for what
I'm thinking for to Bill Belichick roasting Tom Brady in

(18:27):
a big spot at the Days.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's funny. I was telling someone.

Speaker 4 (18:31):
I was telling someone like, how do you have this
roast without one of two people, if not both? Belichick
showing up? Obviously he seems to be doing the rounds.
It makes sense for him. But also I don't know Gizelle.
I throw Gizelle in there. She could at this point
they can, they.

Speaker 1 (18:44):
Can co parents. I don't think you're getting Gizelle.

Speaker 4 (18:46):
We're getting Belichick and I kind of had a feeling
that was gonna happen, and we've we've got a friend
who's actually working on the production from it from.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Well, that's why this was.

Speaker 6 (18:54):
This is exclusive around the NFL, and I always know
breaking here.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
I mean, as an insider, people shouldn't be able to
know your sources immediately.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
I know exactly who your source was. Does that matter?

Speaker 2 (19:04):
True insiders know who's getting the bee from where sounds threatened?

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Maybe maybe not.

Speaker 6 (19:09):
Ben Affleck was listed as probable. They not totally locked in,
but uh it sounds like a Ben.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
Aff We have good seats too, but I mean, we're
not up in the middle of Newers.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
It stands my original point that I made on Saturday Night,
you know, making Belichick go through these dances.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Now he's at some dopey roast.

Speaker 6 (19:25):
Well, but these are He's a grown man who is
choosing to accept No, he's doing what I'm telling him
to do. He's choosing to accept money in exchange for
having some fun or doing something.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Well, people, people are getting paid for this.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
Yeah, and ps, the event, the event that I'm going
to is not dopey.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
That's your take. Well, people, wait, you think they're doing
it for free.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
I have no idea.

Speaker 5 (19:46):
I actually my understanding that this entire engagement I can't.
I would rather watch another sixty episodes of Blazing the
Monster Machines or Paul Patrol. I am interested in anything
in the world more than a roast of Tom Brady
featuring Bill Belichick or the Patriots documentary.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I've seen enough Patriots. I'm done with the Patriots.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
People are down on this, not Theatrick are not please
at this event.

Speaker 6 (20:10):
I was surprised because when I told Emaka this, she
was like, would you want to try to go?

Speaker 1 (20:15):
And I was like, this feels weird. I know, I don't,
or you guys are all too cool for this event.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
No, now that Belichick is in it, I want to
watch it. I'm going to watch it, but I don't
want to spend her Sunday afternoon.

Speaker 5 (20:26):
I'm not too cool for anything. I would again anything
on the planet. I'll go to an astrological convention. I'll
have a palm reader. I do not that.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
There's gonna be clips on my timeline and people, but
that's where I stand.

Speaker 4 (20:42):
I say, at least if I'm going, I don't have
to look at any of those clips ever.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
Yeah, but then you have to sit in that chair
for five hours because there's a TV production. There's something
speaking a post quiet storm. Mark Sessler, Yeah, way on
my radar. Not in a negative way, but like you
got all these weird events now, like you're always going
to different things. This is this is this a new
sess Dog move as well.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
This was like a surprise purchase for me. Oh I didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Like, you know, I want to go though, would you
have gone if it wasn't purchase.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
It wouldn't have occurred to me like to go.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
I don't think, Well you will you be able to
give us some boots on the ground reporting next week?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I was thinking.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
Maybe like from the venue.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
So it's like the old w FA and NFL things
where they report from stadiums, like get the crowd noise
behind us, and I give you a two minute.

Speaker 2 (21:27):
My guesses will be brutally sanitized in the edit. So
tom Brady Corp. Doesn't let certain things through. But they
can't get asked. Mark Sessler, the Insider.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, they cannot. They say, it's live.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Are you gonna have to sign something?

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I think so?

Speaker 3 (21:41):
I don't think. So you have to turn in your phone.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
I won't do that.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
Mark Sessler arrested Senter good scoopage Greg like, it's you
are the Tom pellisero to my in wrap report, and
I think that's a that's a fair way to look
at it, just like Ian is not at all threatened
by Tom Pelson, nor am I.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
All right? Time in nice half fun.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Mark, it was more like a halftime show than a time.
Where is it at the Forum? Yes, my god, yep, yeah,
I never been there, so that's huge.

Speaker 3 (22:17):
Are you gonna be What kind of seats do you have?

Speaker 4 (22:19):
If I recall they were, they weren't like nosebleeds. They
were pretty good.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Free parking park of working with the company here.

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Yeah, I could park in our roge. Yeah, it's the
last remaining perk.

Speaker 3 (22:31):
Up.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Next New York Jets real talk, as much as the
diehards right here were locked and loaded on the idea
of the Jets as a legit title contender immediately upon
Rodgers's arrival last April, Aaron Rodgers, it's fair to acknowledge,
now with the benefit of hindsight, that that could have
been seen as a stretch because exploding Achilles or no,
the roster was flawed the offensive line was bad, the

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skill positions shaky, and I think now the Jets have
clearly benefited from the distance of the Rogers Moon period,
the influx of Aaron's guys who ultimately didn't work out.
Mike Williams huge upgrade over Alan Lazard. How can third
round rookie Malock I Colely not be better than Randall Cobb,
Tyron Smith, Morgan Moses, first round pook Ola Fashanu massive

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steps up from the tackles last year. I can't get
these green rose tinted glasses off my face.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
You know that?

Speaker 2 (23:21):
So you're gonna have to tell me, Am I nuts?
Or did the Jets dare I say, quietly have a
great offseason.

Speaker 6 (23:29):
I don't think anything about It's been quiet, but I
do expect that it's gonna be I guess in relation
to last when you get to training camp. Once we
finally get to the season, people are like, actually, this
is gonna be the year for the Jets, and they
become like a trendy pick again because on paper, I
think the roster construction is better than it was a
year ago when they had all that hype, and they

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have some insurance policies like Alan Blizard, for instance, you
mentioned like he's still a wide receiver for but that's
kind of a perfect role for Alan Wizard.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Outside of Zach Wilson, Douglass has done a nice, very
nice job hitting on key draft picks and I and
so I I'm out. You know last was a disaster.
Sure like there's been a there's been a missus. But
I would say that you've you this is not a surprise.
I think the thing is I want to see, number one,
how the NFL responds to the Jets overall world when

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they when the schedule comes out. I think it's going
to be a little more caution than to throw them
on five or six games.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
And I think they'll be on five or six.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
I mean, I I don't know though, because I think
something feels more like a prove it year to me.
But I do think, like outside of maybe the fact
they're gonna have to want Monitor brock Bowers, who they
passed on, which could have been a very spicy pick
for the Jets, like, I do think they're better.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
I like what they did.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
They traded up for Corley, who is very similar to
me to what Christian Watson was coming out of college
and what Aaron Rodgers can serve like a limited route
but a guy who can make plays after the catch.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
And that's and that's an important part where you can
do things. And it's just that how long is the
adjustment period with Aaron to where he's wanting where Aaron
wants him to run? And it's you know, Aaron's tried
to do that by bringing in guys that he's previously
played with. I think it's a nice meld now of
like Tyron Smith, like these veteran guys who are still
like towards the end but can still be productive as

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well as young guys.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
It's a lot to feel great about. But it's the.

Speaker 5 (25:17):
The Aaron Rodgers as well as you know his offensive coordinator,
hand picked offensive coordinator.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Is is this going to work?

Speaker 4 (25:24):
And we have that is one thing like Nate Hackett,
show it, show us why you're in this position on
any level.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
Time out, time out, you knew that was going to happen.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
So here's this check this out.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
On Friday morning, New York Jets coach Robert Salad Channel
does inner, Sonny Weaver. This is a writer from Rich
so Many at ESPN dot com. Does anybody know who
Sunny Weaver.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
Is Sonny Weaver, Heavin Costner's character.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Everybody knows it, using a line from the twenty fourteen
film Draft Day.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Check it out if you're watching on YouTube.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
At eleven nine am, about eight hours before the start
of the second round of the Draft, saw a text
at a photo of Malchi Corley to GM Joe Douglas.
Underneath the photo, he wrote, no matter what. Douglas immediately replied,
no matter what. My point being first of all, you know,
congrats to my team. They wanted that guy in day two,
they got him. The bigger point is Draft Day. Like

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I mean, I we've all talked about the movie on record.
Not not a good movie by any stretch, but I
have to give it pop Patrick. It's got legs. It
has a cultural footprint. People talk about it every year
around this time. It makes me wonder, like, what if
we actually made a good movie about the Draft that
would be a classic. But even in its flawed form,

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Draft Day has an audience and people have obviously been
coming back to the movie.

Speaker 1 (26:53):
And I'm a little stunned, but good job by them.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
I don't know how many people are still we're referencing
it going back and rewatching it.

Speaker 6 (27:02):
Yes, it seems to be a thing round draft time,
people watching. I still have yet to watch it. I
never need to, and I keep meaning you.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
Don't need to. I'll give you a tip.

Speaker 6 (27:13):
I just feel like people talk about it every year
around Draft Day, you know, that week, and people start
watching it again.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
So that means that Greg skipped the company event where
they brought us to the Century City Movie Theater and
I remember West went, you went?

Speaker 3 (27:28):
We went?

Speaker 4 (27:29):
Yes, Greg hard out another thing you're too cool for?
You were too cool for that event.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
What year was that? Twenty fourteen? Yeah, saw a sleep prep?

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Yeah, well they just it said the twenty fourteen film
Draft Day and what you read before.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Which then led to your iconic review of the film.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
I will never do that again in my life. I
was at my parents' house and we'd just gotten there.
It was like these guys called me and I had,
you know, I had a couple classes of wine with
my mom and dad, and then I'm like overly glowing
about Draft Day.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I wrote a paragraph, but look at.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
It now, it doesn't seem so it what I said
that what I said seems absurd Apart from started to
fifth yeah, they took the way they took one little
clipped part of it.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
There was some critique in there too, but it's like,
let's take the little clip part.

Speaker 6 (28:12):
And I just want to know how many front oviouss
like are exchanging these sort of texts because it wasn't
quite No matter what, thirty two teams had the chance
to prevent them from doing it throughout round two, and
they did trade up.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
They were doing it, trade up just like Sounny Weaver, right, they.

Speaker 6 (28:29):
Said, throughout the second round, but didn't find the right deal,
and then eventually they got uh Corley. But maybe maybe
this is happening everywhere, but then they don't get the.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Guys I do.

Speaker 6 (28:37):
I do want to point out though, Steve Smith had
him as his number ten receiver in the draft, ahead
of Ricky Piersall, head of Jalen Poke, and that just
spoke to me because I was like, in a perfect world,
maybe Milecie Corley has a little Uh Steve Smith to him,
and in terms of his game, so game recognized game
similar styles on some level that if Steve Smith liked
him that much, that's a good photo confidence.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
It's very unbri that we've had two timeouts already we're
still in the AFC East and have come around the
Jets and the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Well, we got a Browns one coming up too, I'm
guessing to that point. Malachi was also a subject to
our friends at Underdog.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
Josh Norris and Hayden Winks.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
Had a really good review of Corley that he's been
compared by some to Deebo Samuel, but he doesn't have
nearly the explosive traits as Samuel, but he has the
ability to maybe be a really good piece for them.
All Right, now we move on two, the AFC North,
but first we take a break.

Speaker 3 (29:41):
Welcome back.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
We moved to the AFC North and Patrick Claybohn is
going to get u started with his Baltimore rate.

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yes, the Baltimore Evens had all those departures on the
offensive line, and they did ultimately take Roger Rosengarden in
the second round. But to me, the plan appears to
be being Cleveland and Andrew Vorhees to fill things out
at guard, which I love is sticking with the plan.
If you have that level of attrition on the offensive line,
you can't just say, hey, we're gonna we're gonna draft
some guys and then have a bunch of rookies playing

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like that.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
That never works. So you stick with the.

Speaker 5 (30:11):
Plan that they have and then they take They take
Nate Wiggins. I know people had expressed some size concerns
with Nate Wiggins, but some of that he was sick
before the combine. I think he played closer to one
to eighty. They needed to become more athletic in the secondary.
My overall question about the Ravens is this continued attrition.

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The addition of an extra hardball into the league has
created more attrition. We've We've got a defensive coordinator that's
the head coach of Seattle. You look around the league,
there's more Ravens filtered out everywhere. At what point does
it begin to accumulate and we start to see some effects.

Speaker 6 (30:48):
You won't feel them as dramatically if they keep hitting
on their draft picks and if Eric Takasa keeps signing
quality free agents late in the process. It does feel
like the last two years especially. It's amazing they got
the one seed in a year that I thought this
year was kind of a rebuilding year for them in
terms of all the people that they left, just in
terms of team building cycles. I don't think they're going
to be losing this many people every year, but DaCosta

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has needs i would say at wide receiver, edge, cornerback,
and offensive line still and so I think they will
be adding more five hundred snap type veterans that are
just sitting out there than most teams.

Speaker 4 (31:21):
And that is that as during these periods of attrition
like been something that DaCosta and before them Ozzie news
and Ozzie Newsman is still there, have done almost every offseason,
and they tend to hit on those guys at a
high percentage. So it's like, I'm not out on the
Ravens like declining necessarily. To me, it's it's like, I
don't like losing Mike McDonald, who I think is going

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to be like a awesome coach in Seattle and maximized
maximize that Ravens roster in a way that you don't
get every year, and so that's a big I don't
like coordinator switches in general.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
I like that they locked up in a surprising move
for Shad Baman for a couple years and I was like,
why did they They really are banking on side baby,
But it turns out he wasn't eligible for his fifth
year option because he didn't report. He begins to he
was gonna be a free agent, but he's now signed
for three years and they were really counting on I mean, there,
he's there two right now, Tess Walker, who drove me crazy.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
One sounds like a loophole for first round pick.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, and I wondered about it.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Raven.

Speaker 5 (32:19):
It's very difficult to utilize that loophole because immediately when
I saw it, I was like, can players utilize this?
But it turns out if you miss any amount of time,
then your league year can't accrue. Whether it's if it's
if it's a mandatory workout, and so I guess in
theory somebody could get stuck in traffic and lose a
year of a crew on that first day of mandatory.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
I don't know, but it's hard for player.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
But Baseman's are two, agalarts are three. I don't really
trust des Walker. I mean he was a dart throat
in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I trust Walker Rosenthal. No totally separate conversation h trigger Finger.
He is a inside on the rise that Walker Rosenthal
a podcast about what the NFL does.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
He does he have Ian's pun number two. Maybe I
thought you were talking about it.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
He has access to Greg.

Speaker 6 (33:13):
I think, is this a Roger Rosengarden joke? I do
like the rose and garden.

Speaker 3 (33:17):
In Rose Garden. All right, let's move on.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
All right?

Speaker 2 (33:20):
That was good the Cincinnati Bengals. The Bengals quietly took
some big swings in their draft. We've talked about Amari Mims,
a freakishly gifted we call indeed tackle prospect of just
eight college starts, but the potential to be an all
pro if it all clicks. It made me think of
our old friend Chris Westling his fantasy theory. Don't settle

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for the sturdy floor, shoot for the limitless ceiling, and
live with the potential whiff. Don't tell Chris Ballard I
said this, but character concerns scared some teams away from
Alabama receiver Jermaine Burton, but he's another example of a
high ceiling prospect. They even took a Day three swing
on a tight end Eric All who had that knee
bad knee and spe iron injury in college. Bad combo there,
but we'll see if he's okay. The Bengals have shown

(34:04):
skill in their acquisition of college talent. I'm going to
give him the benefit of the doubt. With Joe Burrow
on the mend, a big draft could get them over
the hunt.

Speaker 4 (34:13):
We talked about Jermaine Burton on our Draft Winners and
Losers episode. I think he slides in and plays a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I like this draft.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
I think Mims it's kind of like they certainly have
a type tackle, but they also I think Chris Jenkins
is a good player who helps with the need. They
were the They give of the third most yards per
carry on the ground that defensive year ago in the league.
Defense kind of sneaky, fell apart at times last year
and it's like they need.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
Help right they signed Sheldon Rankins. It's wild that there's
a Chris Jenkins back in the NFL. Chris Jenkins, the
dad was not like a highly tout was he a
highly touted prospect coming out, but it was absolutely ridiculous, beast.

Speaker 2 (34:51):
Biggest person I've ever seen in person. The definite of
the newsroom I.

Speaker 6 (34:55):
Think they have to be concerned about is their secondary.
They decided not to use a pick there Cam Taylor.
Brid's coming off an injury, but you feel good about him.
But after that you're counting on second year guys DJ Turner,
Jordan Battle to really step up. Geno Stone is a
bit of an unknown as a free agent pickup, and
so a lot of questions in the secondary.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, if Genostone is the unknown, then then that's I
feel like Genostone could be a known quantity.

Speaker 6 (35:18):
He could be great, But it's a guy in a
new system. You know, asn't always started sixteen games, that
sort of thing.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
But I think it helps in evaluating especially the new guys,
the newer guys like you know, Dax Hill coming in
and how you're going to move everybody in the secondary.
If you have somebody where it's like we've seen him
be successful in this and so now we know a
little bit more with with the rest of our guys.
But it's I think they were aggressive, like you could
say that they were reaches. I'm with Dan like they

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took the aggressive route and we'll have to see because
you have to take chances in order to be success.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
Are we concerned it all about a backfield that is
in theory led by Zach Moss.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
No, you got Chase.

Speaker 4 (35:58):
I thought we like zachlassked him last year, But that's
that's one year where I thought he did. He did
come in in relief for the Colts and looked good,
but that's not been every other season for him.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's just it's it's a whole.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
When they when they could batter people on the ground,
they had helped the passing game a ton.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
There are very few guys who can handle the volume
that Joe Mixon did in the run and pass game
last year.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Like very few and last But they got trashed in
the trenches last year when they started zero and five,
so three of their first four picks in the trenches.
Up next the Cleveland Browns with Mark Sessler.

Speaker 4 (36:36):
All right, the Cleveland Browns have a two time Coach
of the Year and Kevin Stefanski.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Oh hell yeah, if healthy, we will. This is a
wait and see.

Speaker 4 (36:44):
But if healthy, they have arguably the best back in
the AFC and Nick Chubb. This is one of the
best offensive lines in the conference. They basically kept everyone
on defense, including Jim Schwartz the play caller, after operating
as the nastiest unit around a season ago. They've got
a tight end in Najoku. Dan's guy coming off in
autumn where he played like a star there's a rash

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of Pro Bowl talent on this rosterrum both sides of
the ball, and yet we don't talk about the Browns
as sitting in any sort of a Super Bowl window,
or even as a top five team in the AFC.
For the most part, is it just because of the quarterback?
Because I think that's obviously the obvious talking point. But
like the Browns, to me, no matter the talent, feels
like they're not in the conversation to go win multiple

(37:26):
playoff games.

Speaker 6 (37:27):
This is a great win now year for them. They
won eleven games a year ago. I think you're absolutely right.
Like the veteran team, there's a lot of continuity. I
noticed that they might be the only team in the NFL.
Someone out there tell me if I'm wrong. They don't
have any projected starters that were drafted in the last
two years. Part of that is the Shaun Watson trade.
Part of that is just how they've built their roster.
So it's a team of guys who have been there,

(37:48):
who have shown their pretty talented. They got some questions
maybe at like linebacker here and there, but for the
most part, you're right, they should be good if they
get the quarterback help.

Speaker 5 (37:59):
The quarterback help is presumably going to be better, right, Like,
that's it, I.

Speaker 6 (38:06):
Mean to be good with average quarterback play. He doesn't
even need to be that good.

Speaker 3 (38:10):
And so why not? Yeah, Mark's right, Like why.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I think you know what I think it is, Mark,
I think it's the Watson tax that they're still paying
on different levels, because not only is Watson now in
year three after two seasons that one lost to suspension,
the second lost to not playing at a high level
then getting hurt, you have a segment of the media
and NFL fans that aren't really rooting for the Browns
to be successful. And then there's the football component of like,

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you can't win and win a Super Bowl without a
good quarterback and like, we don't have any evidence that
he is that since he put on this uniform.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
No, because you have these teams out there.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I remember the Rams were trying to do this before
they got golf and everyone else was build a really
great roster and do quarterback last, and like cool, But
the Browns I think have done that under Andrew Berry
is one of the better gms out there. And it's like,
but you went and spent more money than anyone on
the thing that should have been like the absolute engine
that starts this thing. And it's like we're threes. We're
entering year three where we have nothing but increasingly alarming

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questions about the position.

Speaker 6 (39:08):
The concern would be that Jim Schwartz's defense takes a
step back. There's no reason why it should on paper,
but just if you look at Jim Schwartz's career, it's
had some big spikes and like a lot of defensive coordinators, like,
it's hard to keep that going year after year, but
they're good.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
They're good upfront on both sides of the ball.

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Like the team.

Speaker 5 (39:25):
It doesn't it doesn't help that the last thing we
saw was then run out of NRG stadiums forty five
to fourteen.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
I think that, yeah, a lot of turnovers.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
But Toffy.

Speaker 1 (39:36):
The rival of the Cleveland Browns the Pittsburgh Steelers with
Greg Rosenthal right, everyone loved the Steelers draft.

Speaker 6 (39:41):
There's a thing I saw where it adds up all
the grades and so it's consensus grades.

Speaker 1 (39:48):
It's good, and the Steelers finish first.

Speaker 6 (39:52):
Like Steelers were uniformly a's across the board by investing
in their offensive line with Fatanu who maybe fell a
little bit, very athletic. Zach Frasier looks like a start.
So you get two guys who can probably play right
away up front. Russell I mean Roman Wilson is a
receiver that can contribute right away as a third round pick.
And then Peyton Wilson just a really exciting talented guy

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that fell because people think he's only gonna have one
contract in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
The quarterback is a thing.

Speaker 6 (40:20):
But when Mike Tomlin said, Russell Wilson fields Arthur Smith
on our network, like, these guys have all been scalded.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
Am I a fool to buy in?

Speaker 6 (40:29):
When Mike Tomlin says, like they've all been scalded and
they essentially they got something to prove.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Am I a fool to buy in that? Like, man
this roster, I could see it.

Speaker 3 (40:38):
No, he's a leader of men, that Mike Tomlin.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
And even if you are a thousand miles away, three
thousand miles away, you believe that's his thing.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
You ever have a fantasy.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
Draft, I think we all have where you just feel
like the gods are with you a little bit and
every time your turn comes up, that there's something there
that you want that's sitting there, and I feel like
getting a tackle at the first pick, then get in
the center, and then you get the wide receiver. We
know the Steelers know how to pick wide receivers in
the middle rounds. You then you add with a linebacker. Yeah,
I trust them and it's gonna be interesting to see

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what happens with this team.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, Like Daniel Jeremiah looked at the first five picks
and they were all value picks and that's like, that's
what the Steelers do when they're on their on their game.
And Zach Fraser, especially the center out of West Virginia, like,
I keep it all over and it was like, this
is a Steelers type of player at the core.

Speaker 6 (41:24):
They they won the Consensus board game, you know how
you got on Howie about that, Like, Steelers kind of
won that too.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
But it makes it to me.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
It makes sense how they're building the rod if these
are going to be their quarterbacks, how they're building the
roster around him makes sense.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
And they might add another another receiver.

Speaker 6 (41:37):
Bryan McFadden, who used to be on the team and
is in the media now, said he heard they're adding
another playmaker. There were reports that they were in on
the Courtland Sutton conversation. I don't know who that would be.
Maybe it's just like Odell Beckham and that he could
be a good role play for them.

Speaker 1 (41:51):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Justin Fields and Russell Wilson same quarterback room. I forgot
about that. That's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
I'd play them. I play them. That's gonna be why
came after game?

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Just play them to me a wild summer, just just
have them.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
I mean, every everybody ends up playing anyway, right, So well,
it's it's very rare that that everybody's gonna somebody's gonna
need a backup quarterback. And the Steelers good are in
a very very good position, definitely better in terms of
their quarterback room than they have been in a very
very long time.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
If the men involved, they're comfortable with, you know, the arrangement.
You know, I wonder what the juice is gonna behind
the scenes. Hard knocks, Steelers would be good.

Speaker 3 (42:28):
Oh, everybody would say the right thing.

Speaker 6 (42:29):
I'm getting those projected starters ready, oh hell yeah. The
first tough question was Fields or or Russell Wilson. My
gut is Fields. I just think he's better.

Speaker 2 (42:39):
So they're saying Russell is the guy with you. But
they're saying Mike T's gonna make the right pick. Yeah,
I didn't want it to happen to you.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Pass.

Speaker 2 (42:47):
No, that's okay, I want to he took it. I
was looking at the clock raising a shot. By the
way too.

Speaker 6 (42:52):
That NFL network polo actually has magical power bounce bullets off.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Apparently all our shirts do.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Uh, let's saw a bit more. All right, I will
from here onle you got a guyser wound in the
little quiet stir coming. All right, take a break. We'll
be right back with the AFC South. All right, we
are back. Let's move to the AFC South. Around the
AFC we are going arown the AFC in forty eight minutes.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Hit the clock.

Speaker 2 (43:23):
The Texas no picks in the top forty, but they
address both sides of the ball in the second round
Georgia cornerback Kamari Lassiter and Notre Dame offensive tackle Blake Fisher.
So after a draft that plugged holes at depth chart weaknesses,
we spin forward with a team that has been widely
favored to win the AFC South.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
Make a deep.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Playoff run Stefan Diggs in the building.

Speaker 2 (43:47):
So you add that you know there was a upsetting
incident around Tank Dell who was involved in a shooting,
but he appears to be okay, and that's great. Anyway,
we're old enough to answer this question because we all
know the history of this franchise goes back to two
thousand and two. Is this the deepest and best Houston
Texans roster in franchise history?

Speaker 4 (44:07):
I would say that it's number one, by far, the
best quarterback situation they've had.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
They're pretty deep all over the place.

Speaker 4 (44:15):
I think they have the best coaching staff they've had
in the modern day NFL. Ever, and like, there's not
you look around on both sides of the ball, there's
not a lot to not like. I think some of
these these they're young, they need these drop picks to
come in and play a lot. But it's like, yes,
this is the highest ceiling Texas team Texans team I've
ever seen.

Speaker 2 (44:33):
In fairness, we just talked about Deshall Wattson, but before
the madness, right, he was a high level quarterback, so
by far feels strong.

Speaker 3 (44:39):
But C J.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Stroud, you can't quibble with how great he was as aroo.
I'll stick with it though, But yeah, I'll give the
edge to the Texans team that had the twenty four
to nothing lead over the eventual Super Bowl champ.

Speaker 3 (44:49):
M Chiefs on the road like that, that was a
very good team.

Speaker 5 (44:52):
I can't say because you look at like the nuke
on that team.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
There was JJ aj I think was JD. Clowney still
on that team.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
They had They had like highly drafted guys that were
producing in big parts of that squad, which they have
on this one. You can make I think I would
be willing to make that case after this year. But
they're very very solid all the way through, and I
just want to see.

Speaker 2 (45:17):
Twenty twenty one nineteen.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
They're scrowing up very very fast.

Speaker 6 (45:24):
Oh where the ceiling? Hey, Texans fans out there thinking, hey,
how about that Matt Schobb team that went twelve and four?
That was a good team. Had JJ Watted, as you
said in that job though, Yeah, had JJ Watt and
his absolute peak Andrew john two Hall of famers though
at their peak with Andrey Johnson and JJ Watt and
Aaron Foster at his peak was a fun team.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Those teams used to be wiped out in the playoffs
then they weren't.

Speaker 6 (45:46):
So I do think you look at their offensive line
and their secondary, and Texans fans are so high on
this froster, and I do think Look, they drafted a
right tackle, Blake Fisher, that was kind of after a
big drop off at the position and hoping maybe he
can play right away. I do think they got a
little unlucky with a couple of cornerbacks going or defensive
backs going right before last. I think the secondary in

(46:08):
the offensive line, they're hoping to be average, and so
I don't think they're totally all the way there. This
was a team, you know that was just building.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
But with c. J.

Speaker 6 (46:18):
Stroud, anything's possible. I'll take it the twenty nineteen Texans.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
New because we said Kenny spills will fuller, rookie Laramie Tunsel,
I believe, or young Laramie Tunsel.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Let's see, because he had come over for.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
That's right for Miami's DJ Reader, is there, young Reader?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (46:38):
JJ Watt still at a high level. Yeah, that was
That's a very good roster.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
I will take this coaching stuff over what Yeah, Ryan
was offering for sure in the front office.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Up next in the AFC South is the Indianapolis Colt
with Greg Rosenthal.

Speaker 6 (46:56):
I'm into this team looked around at kind of just curious,
like the division odds. You know, we're not allowed to
do stuff like that, but uh, we're not Colts.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
I mean we're we're allowed to look in your private time,
Colts plus.

Speaker 6 (47:09):
Three point thirty to win the division, third behind the Jaguars.
This to me is a team that has just been
fine for a while, and they took some big swings
on some real talented players in terms of eighty Mitchell
in Laatu Latu and then you get the extraordinarily talented
Anthony rich we get back. It's a very talented team

(47:30):
that was rightly with Houston to end last season despite
not having a quarterback.

Speaker 1 (47:36):
To me, they're they're one A, one B.

Speaker 6 (47:38):
I see them as closer than the rest of the
than those odds would indicate, and I see them ahead
of the Jaguars by a decent amount.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
Do you guys think they're ready to win now?

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah? Can win?

Speaker 1 (47:49):
What because they division?

Speaker 3 (47:52):
No?

Speaker 4 (47:53):
I think the Texans are gonna like find a way
to win that division by games.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
What if you know, now you've got this quarterback, if
he turns out to be the guy that he hinted
he was, and that everyone fell in love with that.
Then is the X factor that takes this team and
really does make them at the level potentially of the Texans.
They're a very interesting team to track. Chris Ballard's a GM,
so I like that too. Yeah, and then so much.
This was a team that almost was in This was

(48:19):
a team that was in it against the Texans with
Gardner Minshew at quarterback, and considering the growth that we
saw from Richardson at the start of the season, I
have every bit of a reason to believe that they
would have been a better team h Richard.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
If Richardson finishes things out. It was just, you know, I.

Speaker 4 (48:34):
Mean, he's a bit of a TVD. He's certainly fascinating.
But like that, I think that Ballard, you know, he's
just he does not move off of what he wants
to do. And I know that they've had a tough
time finding the quarterback until maybe now, but they already
were like the fifth best pass rush win rate team
a year ago and add a law to to that
and they were I remember I tried to make this
pitch about them being interesting to see him a year

(48:55):
ago and when people weren't buying it. But it's like
weekly on a weekly basis. That defensive front was beating
people up. So if anything, if you can get to
Stroud and Trevor Lawrence and the rest of the quarterbacks
in this division, you got a shot.

Speaker 6 (49:06):
Pretty good line, very intriguing defensive line. Adding lots to
that mix. As you mentioned, secondary is a concern. They're
very young there and they're hoping their second year guys developed.
But I just liked the coaching. Not so much Gus Bradley.
I think he's solid. He's a good defense corner Bud
Steich and gives me confidence that this seem just felt
like it's like a but it's kind of average. And

(49:28):
then now maybe you add some exciting draft picks in
Richardson that that's the little sprinkle on top of this.

Speaker 2 (49:32):
I think that keeping giant to me like they were
commendable for fighting through everything last year, staying in the
mix of the very end right, but obviously lacking something
that gave them sizzle. That's Richardson hypothetically. And our buddy
Chris Ballard, who we listened to the other day, listen
to this. When the first defensive player in the draft
falls to him at fourteen, here's his reaction. This video
coming from Colts dot Com. Dan, I loovet that cackle,

(50:01):
but the hair slick back. I love this guy.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
Oh, I think he looks better than he's ever looked.
And he's you know, he's chuckling in the middle of
the war room. He's comfortable, he's sparing the newsers. I'll
love it more, Chris Ballard, look at that. I'll take
the dart. Like now, I'm looking at his hair from
the side shot. This is conditioned. This is he's putting.

Speaker 3 (50:19):
Money into this.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Like I said on Saturday, he looks about twelve years
younger than to me than he did at other points
in this Cults run.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
You know what he's I know, Mark, what you keep saying,
and I know, but I'm saying now he's almost I
think he maybe he's trying to crib off less Need
a little bit.

Speaker 1 (50:36):
He's like cribbing off the notes of Less physically looks
very much. Tom Brady's take a.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Look at this. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
And listen, I want to hear more of why you
made that face.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Well, I mean that's a stretch.

Speaker 6 (50:50):
I think he felt like you were comparing someone to
the goat and Less needed.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
No, I'm just saying reach lass is like a nine
out of ten. Physically, I'm not saying that, but.

Speaker 5 (50:59):
No, and I think less puts more energy and attention
probably into his particular look than Chris ballor does this
looks like this is slickback hat, take off hat?

Speaker 3 (51:09):
I'm inside I'm a hard disagree.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
Really yeah, as a hair guy, No, you're that's not
not accidental.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
Okay, it does tell me like significant other or female
presence at some point encouraged him to you ethanize the look,
not youthanize, ethanize his old look.

Speaker 6 (51:26):
Yeah to you thu to you thup right, Well, I
believe I believe him and his wife have.

Speaker 2 (51:32):
A lot of five children, but you believe separate no
good many kicks family some you know. That's that maybe
speaks to a potential midlife crisis, but in a good way.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Like and now he's like, look at this, it seems
like he's in a crisis.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
It seems like he's coming.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
He's dodged a lot of cults. Crisis is like a.

Speaker 6 (51:51):
True very effects to come out the other side, very true,
very true.

Speaker 1 (51:55):
All right, that was a time out.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I don't know what listen I didn't hear dart, I
didn't hear a time out. It just thinks this and
the ether.

Speaker 4 (52:01):
Jeric is ununderstandably just said, you know, there's no consequence
to anything.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
About the team. It was more ballards there.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
It is see great judgment by a to eight pipe
trying to be you know, less trigger happy this episode.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
You know what you're maturing and you're about to become
the father. Yeah, you can't be throwing darts around at people.
Don't be firing guns as a newborn or new father.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Jaguars of Jacksonville with Patrick Claiban.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
Thanks guys, I'm confused. Welcome. I'm I'm not really sure.
I love Brian Thomas Jr.

Speaker 5 (52:32):
I think he gives the jackson Field stretching capability that
they kind of tried to halfway do by committee with
everybody else and put Calvin Ridley in weird situations that
didn't necessarily seem to suit Calvin Ridley. He's a real
true top end speed guy that I think with a
healthy Trevor Lawrence will be successful. But I'm looking at

(52:54):
the rest of the picks and I don't really know
what necessarily Trent Balk's plan is. I know they bring
in the linebacker coach from LSU. I can't I'm blanking
on his name. I think Matt House perhaps, So they
ultimately take two LSU defenders who were highly recruited, recruited guys,
one of them very athletic in Mason Smith, as well

(53:16):
as Jordan Jefferson. But this LSU defense never stopped anybody
the entire season, and Jayden Daniels and Malik Neighbors and
BTJ like they're running up and down the field scored
a million points. They could not stop anybody, and so
it was just a very confusing conglomeration of choices considering
their needs right, because they're very solid at the edge,

(53:37):
I believe Travon Walker is going to have the growth,
but I'm just I'm not sure what the plan is.
What do you guys think the Jacksonville Jaguars plan is
on defense.

Speaker 6 (53:46):
To a mass as many guys who look great coming
off the bus. That's just Trent, that's balky balls Trent.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
That's what he want the bartak Heads, No, that's what
he wants to do, and it hasn't worked that well.

Speaker 6 (53:59):
And they're secondary to me is a huge concern, like
how does this team stop the Texans and other good
passing teams. They drafted a guy Jerry and Jones in
the third round. That is, you know, wasn't that highly
thought of. They are the anti Steelers and Eagles in
terms of the contensus sport. After the Brian Thomas pick,
which I thought was savvy, great trade down, loved to pick.

(54:19):
After that, Balki's off on his own island, taking guys
rounds before they're expected to go.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
And that's just how he rolls. That's Trent Balki.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
He's the opposite of what we're talking about. How he
grows right, got his own world.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Yes he does.

Speaker 4 (54:33):
I think they are a bit of a like from
a Q raiding angle, just because the South went from
like floating garbage to like white hot in like the
course of a calendar year. Because you know, a year
ago we were fascinated by the Jaguars and not really
questioning the team building at that point, and they'd been
active in free agency on wide receivers, paid him a
lot and it worked.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
But it's like they I don't think you can survive.

Speaker 4 (54:55):
In the NFL with a with a C minus or
very big question mark cornerback room.

Speaker 6 (55:00):
One small bit of news, relatively small not for Jay
Jones is that they released Jay Jones on Tuesday, so
they're rolling with Gabe Davis. Devin Duvernet is there too,
is the kind of wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (55:09):
I think it could help them a little bit.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
Everyone dismissing them at this point, and expectations are very
low around the same care about that everyone's falling.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
Just talk about two teams.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
Like second, they had the cults behind them for what
it's worth, right, But cognicentim.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Does that mean it doesn't matter? COGNACENTI thinks, but people aren't.
I got it, I understand, and I deserved it, and
it hurts. Okay, the Tennessee Titans with Mark Sessler. Ain't
nobody pumping up the Titans. But should they be Mark.

Speaker 4 (55:45):
Well, they weren't able to garage door size tackle Joe
all like ninety nine percent of humanity thought they were
U But they I do think that they're getting J. C.
Latham out of Alabama because we trust Alabama helps a lot.
Their tackles last year had a forty nine point three
pass blocking grade for PFF, second worst in the NFL.

(56:06):
They allowed sixty four sacks last season, fourth most in
the NFL one hundred and sixty over the past three years.
Third most that's why Ryan Tannehill was on crutches when
we were in London getting card at off and we
saw him the funnel.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
Remember that. But now you've got Lateth them at.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
Left tackle, big old boy Pete Scaransky at left guard.
I like him a lot, Lloyd Cushionberry three at center,
and magic Man Bill Callahan tutoring the group. So they
got an identity and I like that. I don't get
Devandre Sweat in round two because he essentially got like
a dui right before visiting with the Titans.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Seems like it that was a play.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Okay, very much DVD on that one.

Speaker 4 (56:41):
But I think you've got a team that we knew
a year ago had a desperate need along the offensive
line and the wide receiver position. Now you've got DeAndre Hopkins,
You've got Calvin Ridley, Treylon Burks is a good three.
I like them in that position versus where he was
having to be before. We'll see that it's a better
situation for will of us. But are you buying into
the Ian Callahan Carnival of love?

Speaker 1 (57:02):
M Is there one existing? Is there any I've just
called it that. Maybe that's why you can say you
don't buy into it.

Speaker 6 (57:09):
I'm buying into Lloyd Cushion Berry three being his his nickname.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
I don't say the third, I just say three LC three.

Speaker 6 (57:17):
For a long time, he would always call him Roger
Griffin two RGI two. I Well, just keep an eye
on their decision to not take Roma Dunze there. It's
funny because there Adam Schefter reported or intimated that Joe
Alt was going to go to the Giants if if
he hadn't been taken Roma Dunsay, you pass on him

(57:40):
to take Latham, and then you pass on the receivers
that were left in the second round, and there were
some intriguing ones to take Sweat. So that's just something
I'll keep an eye because I'm not convinced that DeAndre
Hopkins at this point in his career, and really like
you could have added another weapon.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
By the way, Ryan Tane was still a free agent. Well,
I just put him under the Raiders two. Is like that?

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Why are you not like? Why is he still sitting
out there? Give it, give it a try. Is he
maybe pondering some things right now about his future? I
don't know get this Tannehill sweeps now.

Speaker 3 (58:09):
And beat up a little bit.

Speaker 6 (58:10):
I think he just didn't get any good offers and
maybe might be a guy who waits till training him.
I do think he gets a job, you.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Know, go full Flacco.

Speaker 2 (58:21):
It could pay off it, it can anything else about
the Titans tough one.

Speaker 4 (58:27):
Not as much juice, very much of all these Taylors
very much in transition. There's just a lot of time.

Speaker 6 (58:32):
I mean, there's still major questions on the right side
of their offensive line. The defense on paper looks good.
They have one another one of the Ravens kind of assistants,
Dennard Wilson coaching them up. I believe in Brian Kellyan
because he brought his dad there.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
I'm with you. Hey, wait a second, Wait a second.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Now, you could take your own issues with your father,
whatever's going on with the Roberts house. But you don't
dart a man for speaking positively about his old in
side of bounds, Eric Mark.

Speaker 4 (59:03):
It was more more on Marks at me screeing with
someone else about something that.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
You guys, they soon to be dad, and yeah, dads
are awesome.

Speaker 3 (59:10):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
Come on, Patrick Claybon, do we trust Alabama implicitly and always.
I don't know if it was the university.

Speaker 4 (59:19):
Or I was seeing the football program like you know
in the Nick Saban era, Like these guys come out
as ready as from any universe.

Speaker 3 (59:25):
How about the state state from Patrick? We don't know.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Yeah, I mean it's it's four million people, you know,
all with hope, streams and desires and uh then yeah,
you know, I think you got a good shot, just
as good a shot.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
As anywhere else.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
A couple of question marks there.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
Yeah, Well, I mean there's we got some we got
some Where did you grow up? I got a QAnon
next door neighbors, so we got they're all over the place.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Where'd you grow up?

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Wait in l A, you do, absolutely, I had, I
had weird no, So full disclosure.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Let's take a time out.

Speaker 3 (59:54):
Let's take a time out.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
So we're in a transition period of the show post
a division, so we don't need to We're good.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
We're good. There's there's a guy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:02):
There's a guy on my street who has his own newspaper, right,
and he passes out newspapers to a select few houses,
always skipping ours, mainly because I didn't necessarily want him
going through our trash. But anyway, yeah, that's another thing
that he does.

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
So I go to the breezy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
How does he go through?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
He walks through down the street.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
He opens people's trash cans and moves them and like
reorganizes trash. And I have no idea why. I yes, yeah,
I'm like, hey man, we're good on the trash. I'll
put it in the street and then I'll take it
back like we're good. I don't need you messing with
our trash.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
And so a fair request. Yeah, so that was four
years ago. Things are still weird.

Speaker 5 (01:00:44):
But one day one of these flyers floated into the
breezeway and I pick it up. It was like full
on Aaron Rodgers for five pages of the most inane
and impossible things. And I'm like what And then I
look and I see, you know, this proliferated through the street.

(01:01:06):
So yeah, I say that to say, you may think
that you're in a place that's in a bastion of
sanity and people have yard signs that say love and support,
but those people are not your friends. And those people
exist from sea to shining sea in this union.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
A great point, Pat.

Speaker 6 (01:01:24):
There's a there's a newspaper that you know, those free
newspapers you can open up and just take them, little
community newspapers there.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
It is through journalism.

Speaker 6 (01:01:33):
Santa Monica's got a couple of them, and yeah, I
used to take them because sometimes you see, oh, there's
a Walker's friend and his soccer team won the ten
and under youth championship of Southern California. This is cool,
and you've you float through it and it's mostly pretty normal,
and then every once in a while you realize, like, oh,
the Santa Monica Mirror is actually like a hard alt

(01:01:55):
right organization which just throws just sprinkles in like little
things every once in a while. So it's everywhere everywhere, Mark,
I was this, this guy Patrick is at a weekly paper.

Speaker 4 (01:02:05):
I mean, it sounds like a lot of work. So
stringers and other correspondence.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
It's it's not every week. I'll see if I can
get some evidence.

Speaker 5 (01:02:12):
Maybe maybe I'll I'll tweet it out, maybe I'll go
I've wanted to take one from somebody's porch.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
But I feel like that's a that's a boundary cross.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
Do you ever think of creating a competing yeah, independent
news like counter newspaper.

Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
It's not subscriber base. He's just put in it on
people's property's.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
He's walking out and he's hand delivering this paper.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
To and Patrick Claybound's not getting a copy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:32):
No, nor do I want right, nor do I want one?
I you know, I.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
Would like Carrie.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
This feels like its own podcast, just tracking this neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Now, yeah, this weird neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Bring one in so we can just assess what's going
on here.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
I'll try to get one for you. Okay, I'll try
to get one. Let's take a break and we'll finish
out the AFC.

Speaker 7 (01:02:57):
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great tension of the NFL draft while showing how human
the entire process means. Moccess it up NFL dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:03:12):
You're out of your mind.

Speaker 3 (01:03:13):
Yeah I am. And I proved that already.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
That would have been a sweet spot for the company
just to wave goodbye to me.

Speaker 2 (01:03:23):
And they, you know, lost opportunity. I guess what I'm
trying to say is you kind of were proven. Even
if it was you were a little more over the
top than you wish you would have been. History proved
that it was not a forge forgettable film. It is
very much in the discourse at least every spring for
for us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:38):
You know, I'm taking the l on it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
I thought it was completely that I mentioned, well it
was a little strong again, but I thought it was
a draft day was not only.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Forgettable.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
I thought it was a huge missed opportunity, and yet
here it is ten years later.

Speaker 4 (01:03:58):
Well, people can go to NFL dot com and read ard,
you know he said, he said, like call him right
if it's still who even knows? But you were you
had some supportive words. It wasn't all f minus from you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
Read between the lines on it. You could tell what
was going.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
On between these lines.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Let's head to the AFC West with Greg Rosenthal.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
A team of.

Speaker 3 (01:04:26):
The Denver Broncos.

Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
Okay, Broncos, I.

Speaker 2 (01:04:32):
Mean, we're all we're all a little shaken up by
the Patrick clay By neighborhood, which, by the way, not
for nothing. When we went to break we got some
more details that are not for air on this media
group platform.

Speaker 3 (01:04:46):
But wild it's actually even darker than you to match.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
All right, let's restart the clock. All right, let's restart
the clock. Sorry, Greg, go ahead. The Broncos with Greg Rosenthal.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
So Sean Payton improved this often from twenty eighth to
nineteenth in the league, Like he did coach them up
a little bit, considering they by every metric possible they
had a top ten offensive line and basically bring back
the same group. The wide receiver group which you've heard
Sutton is maybe available is Courtland Sutton, Josh Reynolds, Troy Franklin,
which was a fun dart throw, but it was a

(01:05:19):
fourth round pick, played with bow Knicks in college, but
a ton of production and Marvin Mims.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
Does bo Nicks have it?

Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
If bo Nicks is good, does he have a chance
to be good with this group around him? And more importantly,
like have they helped him enough with the defense which
fell off a cliff with Sean Payton arriving.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
They were thirtieth in the league in terms of DEVU.

Speaker 4 (01:05:41):
The only thing that kind of has thrown me for
it because it was like Jerry Judy was on the
trade block for like forty two years at one point
there and they finally made it happen. Now it's Sutton,
and it's like you're down to Mims, Greg Dolcic and
it's like ye of the landing spots for quarterbacks because hey,
you're Bo Nicks and so you're not you know, you're
not Caleb Williams to begin with. I do think he
could be very productive, though I don't dislike Bonix from

(01:06:03):
what I from what I watch, but I'd say this, like,
it's not a great landing spot except for the fact that,
like Sean Payton when he's at his best levels, the
entire offense up because of who he is.

Speaker 6 (01:06:12):
John Payton plus a good offensive line. Is that's it is, like, yeah, like,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
It's not the situation happened with Bryce Young and Carolina
because you have coaching that you believe in and maybe
some structure and the ability to protect. But yeah, this
is not They're not gonna build Rome in a day here, No,
it's gonna take time. I just I wonder.

Speaker 5 (01:06:30):
I'm looking back at the Zach Wilson trade, and I
know it's just five million dollars, but considering the cap situation,
it feels like five million dollars that the Broncos.

Speaker 6 (01:06:40):
Really didn't Jets are gonna pay. I think a big
chunk of that. Okay, well we add and we never
got to follow up. But that was he did actually
it was I think, what was it eight million? And
I think they took on like three and a half
something like that.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Okay, okay, well then then three and a half makes
me feel better than five. But it's I just don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:06:58):
It's like a lot because it's a lot to live
up to, and it feels like considering the way that
Russ made plays in Spurts. I know Sean Payton and
the Broncos weren't necessarily happy with the way that it was,
but how does a rookie quarterback adjust to those expectations
that it feels like Sean Payton has for the offense?

(01:07:19):
And if it's not him, how does Zach Wilson? Like,
how is anybody going to live up to this idea
of what a quarterback should be in this offense when
the idea is one of the best people to ever
play the game at the position.

Speaker 6 (01:07:32):
Right, I think I think having a coach this great
at getting kind of like mid level quarterback talent, which
we've seen when Drew Brees wasn't playing for the Saints
and even last year, to be productive is great. Plus
an offensive line is great, but a defense really helps
you out. And I look at their defense. It was
a bottom five defense in the league last year, and

(01:07:52):
I don't really see a ton of reasons to believe
that they're going to improve significantly.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
The defending champion Kansas City Chiefs with Mark Sesslin, I think.

Speaker 4 (01:08:06):
The Chiefs did exactly what the fan base demanded, if
the fan base is allowed to demand anything at this
point in time. But they moved up to take the
fastest wide receiver in league history, an Xavier Worthy out
of Texas. They grabbed a tackle Kingsley saw Yama Taya
out of BYU in round two. Those were two needs,
but I really like the Worthy pick. Lance Zerlin described

(01:08:28):
this tackle Kingsley as a thick framed gentleman with adequate length.
Sounds intriguing, but now look at this off right, But
now look at this offense.

Speaker 1 (01:08:40):
You got worthies four point two one speed.

Speaker 4 (01:08:43):
And what I like about it is it takes some
heat off of the concept of Hollywood Brown as being
whatever would have been in that It's like it's he's
an added weapon along with book see where she rice
at some stage and all. This makes me kind of think,
like after we were wondering if Travis Kelsey, who's just
had his deal extended.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
Was like, this guy gonna retire?

Speaker 4 (01:09:00):
Does he look the same, Like it's a good for
Travis kelcey two years, two more years, and it's like
you got people around him that's going to make like,
wait a minute, we got to heal Travis Kelcey on
top of all this speed, and so I kind of
just wondered.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
And I feel like I asked this all the time.

Speaker 4 (01:09:12):
That is like, is the entire regular season just like
a dog and pony show leading society exactly where we
know will be come next February, Because I think the
team got better.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
I think the Chiefs, despite winning it again two times
in a row, they've won the Super Bowl, I have
questions to answer to me on their offense and the
moves that they made make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:09:33):
They none of them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:35):
Like, I know, the guy's the fastest guy in the
combent ever, but I'm not like locking him in as
a star and Hollywood Brown has never been a star
and Travis kelce Like, let's not forget he looked slower
and older last year, So what version do you get
of him? So are the Chiefs going to be back
to their high flying ways? I'm not convinced I'm interested
to see what they look like this year.

Speaker 5 (01:09:53):
I think there's a lot of calls for optims because
you could consider what are they replacing, right, Like what
are the departures le various Need of course being a one, Right,
this is the guy that made plays where they probably
wouldn't have been in the game in the Super Bowl
if not for lagarious needs. So that's the one. But
other than that, you take MVS and replace him with Worthy. Right,

(01:10:16):
you've got Hollywood Brown coming in to fill like what
you wanted Sky Moore to originally do, and now you
get a veteran to kind of fill in that spot.
You keep Travis Kelcey around, even though it's not really
an extension. It's essentially just a raise like, Hey, thank
you for being Travis Kelcey, which is cool. Shout out
out with them, do that for everybody. Yeah, they're the
Kansa City Chiefs. They are inevitable.

Speaker 6 (01:10:36):
I think Worthy is a more complete player than a
four to two one. Like he was a guy who
has great movements. Go, he's a small but he landed
in the spot to make him a star. They have
more weapons, they have great continuity on defense. I count
it up I think they're going to start seven different
players from the class of twenty twenty two, which is crazy.

(01:10:56):
That's how you keep a dynasty going four In the secondary,
they take this kid, Jayden Hicks, who was very high
on Dane Brugler's board, in the fourth round. He'll probably
wind up starting. That's the spag secret sauce.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
They have thirteen wide receivers.

Speaker 2 (01:11:10):
And to put a bow on what you said, once
you get to this level, this rarefied air. Yeah, it's
just about getting through the regular season when you're twelve
or thirteen.

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
Hopefully the quarterback's healthy when you get to January.

Speaker 6 (01:11:23):
Well, while we're taking darts here, I saw the report
from the Chiefs is Nate Taylor on the Athletic They
tried the trade up for Marius Mims. They were trying
to get that tackle, so they it's a left tackle
is a big concern, Sue Matia. You know, he's like
that fourteenth tackle off the board. You know, a guy
might be a little bit of a project. They were
hoping to get Maarousmims didn't happen. They wound up its

(01:11:44):
worthy time out. I have a question that that was
at the time. Man, we took darts. We were taking
darts there. I got a little game for you guys.
Here you go, all right, go and here you go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:58):
Penn. You need a penn, Dan, he's giving us paper.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
I don't have a pen, so I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Okay, good, thank you? All right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Jim Harbaugh, I mean he's a he's a huge figure.
It's the dominating figure. Been very busy, been very busy
over draft week and everything else. Hit the music, Eric,
He overshadows everything else. Let me tell me who is

(01:12:27):
the general manager of the Los Angeles Chargers.

Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
Joe Horrowitz. I think it is okay, you're just to
write it on the face.

Speaker 6 (01:12:32):
Sorry, okay, Mark was wrong though, so.

Speaker 2 (01:12:36):
Yeah, write it down please, all right, all right, reveal
your answers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Patrick, Joe Horties, Joe Horties.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Oh dang, I had horri Itz. I had Horts too,
but you said Horror Horowitz.

Speaker 2 (01:12:53):
But I mean it's you know, the correct answer is Hortees.
I think Jeopardy rules. Although you guys had the right
name in mind, Patrick is the one that gets the credit.
I think the reason I asked the question is because
Jim he's the sun there, and it overpowers everything. But
he was the director player personnel for the Ravens who

(01:13:15):
joined left his brother, Jim's brother.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
To join the Chargers. Nobody.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
And with that said, the Chargers, Jim Harbaugh and Joe
Hortiz had a very busy draft week and offseason. They
added nine rookies in the draft another twenty in undrafted
free agency per the Athletic. Over the past three months,
the Chargers have added thirty nine players to their roster
who were not on the team in twenty twenty three.

(01:13:43):
Joe Alt awesome, big guess, big piece statement pick by
Jim Harbaugh. You know, a generationally talented tackle by a
coach who calls these guys skill players.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
He views them that way.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
The offensive line and running back room has been rebooted.
Justin Herbert loses Mike Williams and Keenan Allen, but gained
Lad McConkie this over the weekend. And they have a
I have like a sneaky, promising tight end pairing and
will Disley and Hayden Hurst kind of like both those
guys and now they're at tandem. My big question, Okay,
and you have Greg Romans the offensive corner that guy

(01:14:17):
loves running the football. How Harbor is Harbaugh gonna go
with the Los Angeles Harbaugh's I'm sure Justin Herbert has
the same question.

Speaker 1 (01:14:27):
Hmm. I see.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
I think there's there's increasing versatility here because Ladd McConkie,
I think, is just an awesome pick and they spoke
so highly of him and how he can help Justin Herbert.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
So that's through the air.

Speaker 4 (01:14:39):
Joe Alt is someone who looks to me like it
came from like biblical times and like fought kids with slingshots.

Speaker 1 (01:14:45):
Junior Colson.

Speaker 4 (01:14:46):
I thought we're gonna take a bunch of Michigan guys,
but like he's someone that wore like the green dot
for Michigan and can lead a new defense and he
knows it really well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:53):
So these are fits that I think improved.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
But how hardly goes like, are we gonna suddenly see
Justin Herbert vanish as a passer?

Speaker 3 (01:14:59):
That's what I mean. I just curious how they're gonna
do this on offense scheme?

Speaker 4 (01:15:02):
Well, just being overstated, because that's an impossibility in today's NFL,
where you're gonna suddenly take Justin Herbert and have him
play like half of the position that any quarterback was
playing well.

Speaker 6 (01:15:12):
Also, their running backs are Dobbins and Gus Edwards. Just
you know, if Dobbins can get healthy again is intriguing
ravens you but it is, you know, you're also asked,
I don't love that. You know, everyone's so excited about Joe.
I'm sure he's gonna be great, But the first thing
you do is make him play a position right tackle
that he's never played before. That at LEAs should be noted.
I mean they know what they're doing, obviously more than I.

(01:15:33):
But like that has worked plenty of times, work with pens,
Like you know, it doesn't always work.

Speaker 5 (01:15:38):
I think we could expect to see some interesting route combinations,
some receivers in close proximity to each other, you know,
diminished numbers for Justin Herbert and a team that we've
seen it happen before. A new coach comes in and
you get a mix of the old guys as well
as the new guys, and something does for him that
I think the Chargers will be better than Herbert with

(01:15:59):
literally no hands last year towards the end of the year.
But I think the hardball ceiling isn't going to be reached.

Speaker 6 (01:16:05):
But like coaching plus offensive line plus quarterback is like
more important than the weapons. Like for like those years
that Tom Brady didn't have any wide receivers, we kind
of learned like you can still have a great offense
if you have great coaching, great offensive line, great quarterback.

Speaker 3 (01:16:20):
Tom Brady all time great quarterback.

Speaker 4 (01:16:21):
Right, they had the worst one turb blocking grade in
the NFL a year ago.

Speaker 1 (01:16:25):
That's gonna change.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Let's close it out with the Las Vegas Raiders and
Patrick claybo.

Speaker 5 (01:16:31):
The Las Vegas Raiders I believe wanted a quarterback. They
go into the draft and they see literally every quarterback
go before them. They both assuming have some calls about
training up. It doesn't ultimately work out because the Falcons
take their future quarterback for some reason at number eight.
I think that they liked him too, and so I
think they got a great pick in brock Bauers. I

(01:16:51):
think taking the best player on the board is always
a very good idea. But it's gonna come down to
Aid and O'Connell as well as Gardner Minshew, and that
will be the camp battle. Well, at what point do
the Las Vegas Raiders look outside of the building to
bring in somebody that keeps everything from falling apart and

(01:17:12):
DeVante being like why am I playing football?

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
Still?

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Yeah, I think this was like they got left out
on draft day and I know they love brock Bowers
and there's nothing not to like. Like I don't dislike
that pick on any level, but it's like, you know,
it's it's a new coach, but this gets coach as
fires when you think in like May or April May,
you can roll into an NFL campaign with these two
quarterbacks because it's about it's about midway through the second

(01:17:39):
half that you realize that plans a disaster of the
first game.

Speaker 1 (01:17:41):
And so you mentioned Ryan Tannehill. Someone liked it.

Speaker 4 (01:17:43):
If you just want like a veteran who can come
in and like spice things up, I think that's a
good landing spot. But Minshew we just talked about with
the cults like he is a you know, he's a
fringe starter, but like that kind of team last year
with Minshew.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
It's a bridge guy. Yeah, yeah, we just don't know
where the bridge is going right now.

Speaker 6 (01:17:58):
Minshew is there? Tannehill? So I've been thinking about it again.
It's like they gave him fifteen million dollars guaranteed. They
gave him a sneaky amount of money. They did not
sign him to like a Baker Mayfield in Tampa.

Speaker 1 (01:18:10):
Just let's see what happens.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
Back of Gondrum, they gave him like, hey, you're probably
gonna play for us, and Aidan O'Connell was, Okay, I
don't think this is gonna work out. They wanted Michael
Pennix junior our James Palmer, our guy. He reported they
were one of the teams that tried to trade up
for a quarterback and it was gonna be Pennix and
it didn't happen for him, and they ended up with Bowers,
who the Saints Block Party podcast reported the Saints were

(01:18:33):
gonna take out fourteen. So I love these like paths
not taken, but the Raiders ends up taking Bowers.

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
I think one thing that's maybe slept on a little bit.
I think Raiders fans, whether or not he's a high
level quarterback, are gonna love Gardner Minshew. He plays with
a lot of pluck and moxie. He fits there kind
of like got some Ken Stabler in him, and I
think that's that's going to be. They're gonna have fun
rooting for him, it's just you know what, how much
can he actually give you?

Speaker 6 (01:18:59):
Antonio Pierce has been very vocal saying we're gonna run
the ball and we're gonna be a great defense, and
I believe that's his vision. Like whether that works or not,
like we'll see. But Bowers to me fits that vision,
playing two tight ends as your basse set him and
Mayor having multiplicity, and they really think the defensive improvements
they had will carry over.

Speaker 4 (01:19:19):
Will that's when you survive in your own division though,
because it's just like how you know you should build
to beat teams in your own division first, and they
don't resemble that kind of a team to me right now.

Speaker 6 (01:19:28):
Sign Michael Gallup on Tuesday official run of the show.

Speaker 3 (01:19:35):
Is he best friend? Yeah? He was on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
Very nice guy, not an enemy of the show.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
But I don't recall, Yes, you're right, I forgot that
we from Cowboys friendship with him. In fact, everyone we
sat down with at Cowboys camp.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
Was cursed as a result, Layton Vandre.

Speaker 2 (01:19:55):
Michael Gallup, and I think even the voice of the
Cowboys didn't he miss some time? Let me yeah, right
etp Yeah, I forget what I think he fell down
to illness. He's gone no, not gone right, but he did.
He did miss a game for the first time in
like a very long time. I remember seeing that because
we play their highlights. Obviously, Brad Sham the sham God

(01:20:17):
has missed games due to an illness.

Speaker 6 (01:20:20):
So he was forced to announce yet another playoff defeat
to the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
So that I'm sure was Brad Sham the sham God.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
I fell ill and en route to the game, I
was advised to get it checked out, testing and resting
looking forward to next week. That was December first, and
we're very happy that sham God is on the mend,
and we're not making light of illness, and we never
would Greg. However, I'm just stating the point that everyone
that sat down with us in August of twenty three,

(01:20:51):
you know it didn't work out. Connect dots right, sure,
which leads me to my next point that we will
hope to take a summer road trip this summer to
visit a team, and hopefully.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
It's not yours.

Speaker 6 (01:21:06):
Saints are coming to Irvine spending tranny camp in southern California.

Speaker 2 (01:21:09):
That's a little What does the Saints block party think
about that us coming with the the cursed Medallion of ATN.

Speaker 3 (01:21:16):
They don't need it, they don't want it.

Speaker 4 (01:21:18):
I'd keep us out of there if you were interested
in the same other fortunes.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
You probably know this one, Mark, remember the Brady Bunch
episode with the medallion when they went to Hawaii.

Speaker 4 (01:21:26):
Yeah, two parter Bad Beat, two part episode Bad Beat
and one of the rare like you don't get Brady
Bunch episodes that were filmed literally on location outside of
a stet like a set in like Studio City or
something like that. So right, an atypical Brady Bunch double
two parter Greg.

Speaker 3 (01:21:42):
Brady Bunch was a sitcom in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
I remember that.

Speaker 6 (01:21:46):
I remember the repeats where were on. I did not
check them out. It was a teeky neck time tough one.

Speaker 2 (01:21:53):
It really wasn't because Brady Bunch was massive in the
eighties and syndication. But you didn't have to watch it.
They don't have to watch anyone have to watch it.
I mean, we don't have to read the newsletter going
around Patrick's clay Patrick Clayvin's neighborhood.

Speaker 3 (01:22:05):
But it's out there.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
I made it in your face.

Speaker 6 (01:22:07):
Decision which I look back on as the correct one
to dedicate my time to other programming.

Speaker 3 (01:22:13):
Let's hear it like a good call.

Speaker 6 (01:22:14):
Let's uh cheers repeats The Ricky Lake Show was.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
Into that, Sally justse Rafael.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Got not really but here and there number.

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
That's a good one actually for the people like in
our age, What were the syndicated seventies eighties shows that
you were watching that maybe weren't out when you were kids.
For me, it was Brady Bunch. It was different strokes.
I watched every weekday at five kid. But oh that's right.

Speaker 4 (01:22:44):
My screenwriting teacher created different strokes. That's why he was in.
Did you see in Park his rolls Royce before he
came in. I think he did very well.

Speaker 6 (01:22:53):
I'm sure a lot of MTV now that was probably
no Alternative Nation talking like.

Speaker 3 (01:23:00):
That era, like niked Knight, like Bewitched, Dick Van.

Speaker 1 (01:23:03):
Dykereeze Company, good times.

Speaker 6 (01:23:06):
Yeah, we've made Patrick late for his Oh Patrick, we apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Thank you to everybody for listening. We'll be back Thursday
with a special guest. This is still on right, Yes.
Jordan Rodrieg of the Athletic does an excellent job covering
all matters of football, including the Los Angeles rams. She'll
be joining us to go around the NFC, including those rams.
But thank you Patrick. Anything else to add Ah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:30):
Yeah, momentum might not be real, but you are no
matter what anybody says, no matter what I say, you
and your existence are true.

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Patrick of a thanks guys, Eric, give him the goddamn applause.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Applause for it, don't applause for me? Where is that
button on your.

Speaker 2 (01:23:48):
Applause is a long word to type out, So when
I search things, it's about clap. Change it to clap. Okay,
you know, applause is the one that tends to give
me trouble the most. Thank you, Patrick, and be careful
in your hood until then. Everyone, uh check us out
Thursday for the NFC. And you know what you gotta do?

(01:24:09):
Do you want to tell the people today? Greg?

Speaker 3 (01:24:10):
What do they need to do? Right on your arm?
Let me just take what of the seat?

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
Oh yeah, heat the call bang,
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