November 28, 2023 • 55 mins
In a virtual room full of heroes - Dan Hanzus, Gregg Rosenthal, and Marc Sessler break down the Week 12 Monday Night Football matchup between the Bears and Vikings (01:00). After the break the heroes get you caught up on news from around the league including Frank Reich being fired in Carolina (19:03), injury updates to Myles Garrett and Dorian Thompson-Robinson (34:05), and the not-so-certain future at quarterback for the Giants (47:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Yeah he can.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Gootway just limped off the field for the Bears. This
one is intercepted by Chicago and Kyler Gordon. Justin Jones
was bobbling it and Gordon came away where the Eric
has been really good.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But they finally let a team hang around long enough.
They're gonna put a drive together and put themselves back
in the game.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Gordon went back to the sideline, briskers over their two
end zone fuckins and touchdown. They're gonna let it tick
down thirty yard try in essence to win it for Cairo.
Santos lay clock had four good snap, good hold, good kick.
Bears are back on top with ten seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
The Bear state on top in a twelve to ten
win over the Vikings in a pretty hideous Monday night
football game that provided just enough entertainment value in the
back end to save us all from truly having an
agonizing Monday. And it is the Vikings, the team of
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around the NFL. Now looking within, we would imagine after
losing an unlosable game to a Chicago team that was
doing everything they could to keep Minnesota in playoff position,
and yet here we are. Dan Hansis with Greg Rosenthal
and Mark Sessler. Yes, Joshua Dobbs, the patron saint of
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atn throws. Four interceptions in this game and even two
gnarly Justin Fields fumbles in the fourth quarter weren't enough
to get Minnesota out of this game. Greggie, there's all
sorts of goldthorns to be handed out here, but let's
start with the Bears, who you know, get a win
when they need one. Matty eve reflues finally as a
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division win, and Justin Fields. I don't know what to
take out of the Field's performance.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I want to start with the goat Horns.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I'm sorry, I'm too caught up in my vikings wish
fulfillment that they would come through with for us as
a team of atl And.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm not backing off.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
We knew it was gonna be bumpy if I even
said when we picked him. If we're picking the better
team like Houston Texans, they're better at football, we got
to be in for the ride. But the thing that
drives me crazy is on this night with four interceptions
from josh Dobbs. To me, what stands out is the
coaching losing its nerve in the final three minutes after
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Justin Fields fumbles that ball. As crazy as this night
was going to be, I thought we were going to
be celebrating that. Wow, it's the night that Josh stobbs
through four interceptions and they won the game anyways. But
then the play calls after that on both sides of
the ball were crazy. Kevin O'Connor going run, run, screen pass,
He gets one yard, he gets two yards, and he
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gets a screen to burn all the Bears timeouts when
he was calling for fourth and seven plays at midfield earlier,
which I didn't mind. He was trying to be aggressive,
but to get so conservative in that moment and you're
so far away you can't even kick a field goal
there because the plays didn't go well to punt it
out of bounds. And then for Brian Flores, even more
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surprising to me, Mark the blitz master and had been
working all night, suddenly backs off in the final drive
for Justin Fields. He's sitting back there patting the ball
and he ends up firing a bullet to Dj Moore
up the middle of the field. Only fields his second
throw all night, Mark to the middle of the field,
second throw over ten yards, he hits it and the
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Bears win, and I do feel like at the very end,
the Vikings lost that Hutzba that we love him so much.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
For yep, thirty four yard completion to DJ Moore and
the Bears somehow became you know, there were twenty nine
teams that have failed to score a touchdown this season.
They are the first team to do that and win.
Is a weird game. That's kind of like what we're
dealing with, and like, I kind of it's like, Dobbs
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is a wonderful story, one of the great stories of
the season. Tonight doesn't change that. But he's a He's
a deep backup if you really think about it, and like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh, let's pull back the reins now and call him
a deep backup.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, I mean it's just that, like we're asking him
to lead the team of atl and I love him.
I love his personality, I love his energy and his fire,
but like we're seeing the flaws tonight and like it's
it's gonna be it's a rough ride. It's gonna be
a rough ride because I think what we were introduced
to on Thanksgiving was a team in the Green Bay
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Packers that are like maybe we're we're awakening and now
you've got this NFC North that's in flux. And I
wonder if the Vikings are heading in a different direction
where the Green Bay Packers a heading upwards not downward.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
They have a buy they're six and six. That there
we can get into their long term stuff, but they
have a buy in their six and six and they
still have a lot of season. We're gonna there's gonna
be upsodes its gonna be downs.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, we can't. We can't bail. We can't. This is
the team we're not on the NFL. This is a
teamate cecil. You know who's not the team of atl
the Packers, they're not. It's the Vikings. And we need
to pull together, not fall apart at this moment, but
we can internally there could be tough love. And Brian
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Florida is as you're saying, GREGI, that is a man
known for his aggressiveness on the football field. That is
a man of valor, that is a man of bottomless integrity.
Look what's going on in his life beyond just what
he does on the sidelines. Look at justin fields on
the previous two possessions, the men didn't want to win, well,
he wanted to win, but he was incapable of it.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
He couldn't protect the ball. He was holding the ball
all game like he does every week. All you had
to do was send the heat, and there was a
very good chance Justin Fields was either gonna throw it
up for grabs, take a gnarly sack to kind of
blow the game, or fumble on while being.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Pressured and to let him off the hook like that.
I just couldn't believe it, and Troy Aikman couldn't believe it.
And yet we can't put everything on floors because, like
I said, the Goat horns instead of the Viking horns
go everywhere. Dobbs obviously is the other big name here,
and you know, you're right, like I don't think maybe
he's not a true QB one. Maybe he's in this
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like purgatory where he's just a top rate backup or
a lower level starter. So a game like this can
happen to a player like that. But yes, if you're
a Vikings fan, you're a little nervous about you know,
is the pixie dust now gonna disappear? The good news
is again, as we know, that's internally, that's stuff we
talk about inside the house. Outside the house, we get
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at Vegas against the Raiders, you know, which is not
a not a team as bad as they were when
Josh McDaniels was there, but this is no juggernaut. And
then you get the Bengals on the road in Sincy,
which I would say was deadly if Joe Burrow was
still around, but he's not before the Lions. So this
one hurts a lot, just like the Broncos game hurt
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last week. But it's not over yet. NFC's wide open.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
No, their defense, you know, played well for most of
the night. Fields came out and I'm with you, I
wasn't sure what to make of that game from fields
other than the Bear should just run the ball more
in short yarded situations. I mean, they they called a
very crazy game too. They went for a fourth and
ten early from around midfield. They hit it, and they
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also chose to kick field goals on a fourth and
two and fourth and three, and look, points were at
a premium and you can look at the final result
and say that makes sense. But they weren't running the
ball with fields until they really needed too late in
the game, and then it worked, and his numbers were
great to start. He was twelve for twelve for one
hundred yards. They had a nice opening script, but everything
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was lining of scrimmage or close to it. Everything was
to the side, and it was a response to those
those blitzes. And it worked for a drive that resulted
in no points, and then they got the three points,
and then after that it just it wasn't working, and
they didn't have a pivot and they didn't really use
him as a runner. And I thought Josh Mittelis was brilliant,
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Like the Vikings defense played really well, but a lot
of that and I know Twitter is all about fields
and I like fields. I think he is an NFL quarterback.
I don't think he's a guy you would pass up
the number one pick for. But some of those plays
were on him. I mean he misses Mooney when he's
trying to scramble to make a play. He makes a
bad decision on one hot read to Mooney, I mean
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to more where he throws the ball.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
So he was at.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Fault on a lot of these. And then the fumbles
late were brutal as well.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, he's got seven fourth quarter turnovers this season. I
just I don't I think it's okay to have a
football game once in a while, even though this was
like an island game from like Beaeselbob like where like
we don't have to have four thousand takeaways. I'm just
to be real, like I don't. I don't come away
from this having like major like identity, like like associations
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with either team. It's like, I'm not, this didn't sell
me on Justin Fields. It didn't not sell me on them.
The Vikings are who they are, They've got They're gonna
try to survive with Dobbs. I think Dobbs will serve,
will also rebound next week and be fine. But it's
like I don't I didn't need to come away with
this with like a Russian novel to be honest. Is
that okay? It's just like I just like it was
a weird game. I think Troy Aikman like identified it
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as a weird game like four hundred to five hundred
times tonight, and it is what it was, like, it's
like cool, like it happened. It happened. If this were
on a Sunday, it would be the eighth or ninth
game we talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
That was that was a four. There aren't many four
interception games this year. That was kind of a meltdown
by Dobbs. Anytime he was under pressure, he was just
kind of throwing it up. There was one of the
three four interceptions that you know, he put a lot
of juice on it, but it was essentially a dropped
by Addison. One of the interceptions was a great play
by Jalen Johnson, you know, the first one. The other
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two were mind numbing and he could have had one
or two more, which is why the four number doesn't
even seem unfair, because at some point he just was losing,
like when to give up on a play.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Well, So Dan and Mark, though, are ignoring one of
the darker aspects to this contest, the Locke brothers, who
have been historically successful. Dan, not a good night for us,
like I mean, in general, not a good lock season
for us. We've nullified it. It doesn't exist in our book.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But I want to say that's had Thanksgiving your oh
and one.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I want to see how far we could take this.
How bad can we get every virtually every favorite one.
All you have to do in this block competition is
picked the right team that wins. There's no spread. You
just got to pick the right team. The NFL is
a very wonky place in twenty twenty three. But I
say that, and then the odd old uh you know,
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Horsehoe up is Heinie Rosenthal over there every week drilling
his picks, piping them every week. But there's really nothing
to say. It's disgraceful. I mean, it's uh. I think
we're both two games under. And at this point I've
even I even thought about it, Like, because I'm out
of the law competition and I'm not catching Greg, why
don't I just go with Greg on every pick the
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rest of the season. Why don't I just and and
at least try to save my uh my overall career record. No, obviously,
I see obviously, you know, yeah, you see, you know
me well, because obviously the instincts are wrong week after week.
But you know, like so many other locks that have
failed this year, everything checked out for me before the game.
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I felt great about this game, and I just didn't
see the I didn't see Dobbs laying in this big
an egg obviously, And and they can you know, they
still have justin Jefferid at some point he's coming back.
He's now, But out seven weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He has to come back after the buyer. He has
to be on their rock.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, and the expectation is they were trying to give
him one more week for them.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I don't want to totally put everything on Dobbs too,
because I thought the offensive line had a bad game
for the Vikings. I thought O'Connell you mentioned how conservative
was when they had a chance to sault the game
away in the fourth quarter and he ran it three
times and then he punted. But you know a lot
of early down runs were just the running game is
going nowhere, and it's just in general. I just didn't
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like on both offense and defense, just not an aggressive
game by the Vikings. They kind of just let the
game play out and thought they could eventually steal it,
and you know, they nearly did, but they didn't. And
that is one and nine now Meddiebraflus against the NFC North.
That was the longest active division losing streak in the
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NFL so and it was the Bears longest since the
nineteen seventy mergers. So you get that monkey off your back.
I think is just trying to hang around and get
another year in Chicago, and I think Fields. The only
thing I'll say about Fields, and you're right, Mark, we
don't need to give this game too much more because yes,
it was played on an island, but also it deserves
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to be on a deserted island, is that Fields is
gonna have to be a lot better in these last
five weeks or so to have any chance to stay
in Chicago, if he even wants to stay in Chicago.
But if this is the type of up and down
roller coaster efforts we're going to see the rest of
the way really where there's no reason to think that
won't be the case based on the larger sample size
that he's given us. At this point, he's probably you know,
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playing his final games as a Bear, so he has
to turn it on anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Eberflus who was Ozero to nine. When I saw that statua,
I wasn't aware of that before this game. I thought, Oh,
this mean this man can't continue to coach a team
if he's oh to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Twelve against the division through the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
So I tend to think he has a less than
you know, fighters chance of returning next year. The only
chance is to probably go four and two in their
next six and this win is a nice way to
even start that beforehand, like to start winning games and
to kind of convince the ownership that it's somehow head
in the right direction. I think Fields is in a
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similar spot where to me, if they're head, if the
Panthers give them the number one or number two overall pick,
Justin Fields has an uphill battle to say I'm more
valuable than that guy because you can get a pick
for Fields. I think he's shown enough that he's going
to be an NFL quarterback. Worst case scenario, you're probably
getting like a two and a three for Field something
like that, and you might be able to do better,
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and you want him to do better, but are these
the coaches to really lead him that way anyways. That's
why it always gives a certain meaningless feel to a
season when you feel like you're building this quarterback, but
the coaches aren't probably going to be there anyways.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Yeah, I feel like the Bears are in this weird
place where, like I'm with you, where I see a
lot in Fields, but then like also I could see
them easily looking beyond him for someone in the draft
that they had that kind of a situation and It's
like with Eberflus, like they have been better over the
last If you look at the last month of the Bears,
you can start to see it coming together a little bit,
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like like they've they've been a better team. But like
Eberflus is almost so resistant to giving us any impression
of anything special or original or unique about him. I
don't know what, Like some coaches just have this thing
where you're like, we could we could attach ourselves to
them and like kind of fall for them in a
certain way, whether they're good or bad. Like Eberflus, I
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just have no concept of what he's doing that's unique
for the Bears, And I think that's a problem for
a coach in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I agree with you on that mark. And he's one
of those guys and this is his second year right
where still every time I see him on the sideline
for a split second, I'm like, oh, who's that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Oh well, he was the guy and he's just like,
there's no way that guy's coach. Like ten years from now,
we'll be like, what was that guy's now at this
feels mean his defense is coming together a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Edwards, Jalen Johnson, but it's like a lot of these
guys aren't going to be there either.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The one good thing mark about Monday Night Football, no
matter how bad the game is, it's a chance to
spend three and a half hours with Joe and Troy,
two men who genuinely enjoy each other's company, one of
them a Hall of Fame quarterback and I know, a
long time Sessler favorite and as good as it gets
in terms of color man in the booth and Buck
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who is like his father going to be joining him
in the broadcasting Hall of Fame one day. And I
just I think they are heads and shoulders above every
other play by play team in the sport right now.
And they're just throwing that easy cheese. And there was
a moment in this game and I'm glad, and a
shout out to Sean Kelly, one of our great people
behind the scenes here who have the same thought as
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I did that after Jalen Johnson dropped, they would be picks.
Which was the second week in a row the talented
Bears cornerback had came very close to making a game
changing play. Aikman mentioned you know that he was going
to or Aikman was gonna mention he was going to
catch heat for being critical, and then Buck kind of
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took us inside what it's like to be in this
public opposition. I just thought it was fun. Let's listen in.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mentioned the one he didn't want to hear about it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I mentioned the one that he dropped last week against
Detroit that likely wins the game if he makes that play.
Detroit scores on the very next play. That's a pick
six again, So back to back weeks. He has an
opportunity for a pick six, just unable to make the play.
He can't hear you now anyway, No, but he's got family.
He will just hear about it after and then be
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mad and probably post something online, and then you'll hear
about it for the rest.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of the week, and then we'll all forget about it.
It's three nothing bears on top as they go back
on offense after a forty seven yard punt.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean they're just throwing high with a big, old
breaking ball and a devastating change up right now.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I would say, as someone who's you know, from time
to time put things online that I did not intend to. Yeah,
you just ride it out. You just ride it out the.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Chef's kiss for me, there was him saying, and then
we'll all forget about it. That's what puts Joe Buck
over the top. He went through all that and then
he points out at the very end like and it
will all be completely meaningless.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
We'll have no memory of it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And Dan, you you once said, you know, almost hurtfully
to me that that I always want to disagree with
everything you are saying, just by reflex of nature. So
I hope you know how much this means to me.
Is I couldn't agree with you more about your Joe
Buck and Troy Aikman take. They this is the bed
best broadcast right now and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm all right, good, Let I see that makes me
feel good as well. And you're right Mark. You know
they say the Internet never forgets, but you know, life
goes on old blood o blad dah, Yes, it does.
Take a break and we will hit some news, all right,
welcome back. Here is the reporting on Monday morning from
ian Rapaport out of Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Owner Dave Tepper.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Mike did not want to make this move during the season.
Sounded like the preference would be to evaluate after the season.
That was the goal and it is always the goal
until unless you just cannot watch any further. The brutal
game on Sunday, plenty of mismanagement, quarterback did not play well.
Owner Dave Tepper deciding this morning that Frank Reich would
be out less than one season after taking over the
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Carolina Panthers head coaching duties, and it is once again
a coaching search on in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
H Yes, unbelievable. Frank Reich is out after just eleven games,
which is we're talking history. We're talking he didn't last
as long as urban Meyer, and that guy was the worst.
But maybe we should have known it was coming, because,
as you talked about in the Sunday show, Tepper walked
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out of the locker room after that loss of the Titans,
shook his head and said, fuck. It was bad news
for Frank Reich. And sure enough, the meeting on Monday
went as poorly as imagined. He leaves after a one
in ten start of the season and no growth from
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number one overall. Pick Bryce Young. Let's face it, Mark,
that is ultimately what got Reich canned. It's one thing,
and I really do think because Tepper is so I
think in it so involved, perhaps overly involved that you
know he's freaking out about the Bryce Young situation down
in Houston as well, Like this was too big a
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decision to get wrong, and he is like a CEO,
has his hands in everything and has decided, Man, we
got to get this figured out at quarterback. We got
to get this team on the right track. So you
get rid of the head coach, something that he's been
known to do since taking over this team.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
It's a total disaster. I like part of me like
just feels for Frank Reike because I think we have
enough evidence to tell us that Frank Reich is a
good head coach overall. Like, I think this was a mess.
The roster was a mess.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They put Bryce Young into a tough situation.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Their offensive line is a disaster. I don't know. I
guess for me, I'm like looking at overall at the
temper experience so far. And you know we talked about
it before. Greg you mentioned, like on Sunday Night Show
that like the NFL owner that comes in from another
life venture where you succeed and you you know, you
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play the high roller and you fire people left and
right to create the right environment that works in other places.
I don't know about those places because I'm not good
at other jobs. But I do this job. But like
in the NFL, like I don't know if I am,
but like the owner like is going to learn real
quick that like this kind of situation where you're still
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paying Matt Rule's assistance at this point, you signed Matt
Rule to like an eight year contract that threw a
bunch of other owners like into a tizzy because it
was ridiculous. You're now painting you still are on the
hook for twenty five million to Frank Reich. The impatience level.
If you took an overall look at the roster, what
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were you expecting this season? Like what are you asking
Frank Reich to accomplish? Like I've been down on Frank Reike.
I don't think he did. I don't think he was
special this year at all. He didn't like actually come
in and really make things great for them. But it's
like Frank Reich is just the scapegoat here. I mean,
I mean, where's the patience level? And I think the
Panthers have a one of the worst problems you can
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have as an NFL fan, which is your owner is
creating the mailstrom. Your owner is creating the firestorm. Your
owner is creating the problem. And I don't know how
you get out of that. You don't get out of
that because it's not solvable by firing anyone else, like
Tepa right now is the problem?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And he is fired between his MLS team. He bought
an MLS team a couple of years ago. It was
an expansion, so they were building it up. But they
started playing last year and then he's got the NFL team.
Between those two teams, in the last eighteen months, he
has fired four head coaches. That is not the interim.
So he had his MLS team, he fired the coach
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after one season, then he fired Matt Rule in the
middle of last season. Then the MLS team made the
playoffs actually, and he fired that coach anyways after one season,
and now here's Raich and it's all fine, like obviously,
Like if you're in that press conference tomorrow, the question
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is like, well, why should we have any confidence you
know how to pick a coach because you are self,
admittedly terrible at it. You have said four different times,
I'm bad at this. I need to fit my mistake.
You gave you said it. Matt Rule got a seven
year contractor Frank Raike got a five. They were the
most expensive coaching at staff in history. Frank Reike with
all these assistants. So he's bad at it? Why why
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should you be any good at it? And it's not
even Frank Reike's fault necessarily. When the reporting from Adam
Schefter was that he wanted c. J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson,
there was differing reports on that that Frank Reike did
not want Bryce Young, but that the owner did. And
so that is just as messy as humanly possible.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And you saw it. I mean I watched the game
yesterday and you could just see Frank Reich on the sideline,
just his body language and he was just struggling. It
was it was tough for him. And then when you
think about that kind of stuff, you know, this is
his last chance. Let's face it, this is Frank. You
got fired by two straight teams and back to back years.
He's not getting another head coaching job. It would be
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a stunner if he did.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Do you want do you want to quote from him
to Scott Fowler of the Yeah Ever today, The quote
was this is probably the final chapter of my NFL journey.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's such a sa.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And that's said, and you if you only get one
more bite at the apple, you kinda and you get
hired as a guy that has a lot of experience
both as a player and as a coach, and the
pedigree coming, you know, before the coach job from the Eagles.
You I think what Tepper needs to learn is you
should defer to people that know this business more than yourself.
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And maybe if you listen to Frank Reich and some
other football people, you have Stroud or you have Richardson,
who we don't know what he's gonna be like, but
we certainly know Stroud is the dude. And I don't
want to oversimplify it or repeat myself, but it is.
This is the other thing that I imagine is massively
frustrating to someone like a Dave Tepper is if he
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just picks the other guy, none of this is probably
happening now. I'm not saying Stroud would be doing as
well in Carolina as he is in Houston, because there's
a different coaching staff down there, different players, but you
get the feeling that if if he makes that decision, differently.
We might we are probably not in this situation.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
He's probably not fired, but I feel like it would
still be a mess, but it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Be the same.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I don't know, man, Like, here's the thing, Like, and
he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Seen some great quarterbacks in messes, you know, as rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
He's sure and and but I've seen a lot of
quarterbacks too, Greg, Like from my time as a Jets fan.
When you're when you're like at the bottom of the
QBR list, there is coming back from him. You'll get
Alex Smith. There's a couple of cases through the year,
Eli like it happens, but it's also many times a
sign of a bad sign. And and he has been
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very bad this year. Bryce Young and hopefully someone comes
in that connects with him. But Young being this guy
so far, and the fact that they don't have a
number one overall pick, and the fact that Tepper is
who he is, Like, who wants this job? This is
not a very this is not a very attractive job
on the open market. I don't think yep.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
That was my thought too, was like it's gonna be
tough to pull at this point. I would imagine Tepper
wants to hit a home run, you know, from an
optics standpoint, and you're asking a coach to come in
and work out of a corner because like I think,
like the quarterback is the number one thing, and like
Bryce Young, Dan, I think you said it well like
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last night, like he plays small, like we we there's
things you like about Bryce Young, but it's like the
next coach, Like what kind of coach is it gonna be? That,
Like you've been stripped of picks, you traded away your
number one wide receiver, there's very few weapons, the team
has a disastrous offensive line, and you're not sure the
quarterback can play. Like anyone will take an NFL job
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at some point, but this is a rough ask and
it's like you're not going to get a premier candidate,
so like Tepper might wind up with someone even more
unknown or riskier than even Frank Reich. And it's like
I just I don't know. I think it's like the
Panthers are in a really rough spot right now and
it's because of ownership.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well, yeah, don't don't tell me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
By the way, you didn't want to do this, you know,
I know Ian is just reporting what they were saying,
you know, he was saying, like this was not the plan.
He didn't want to do this. The hope was to
make it to the end of the season. No, you
did want to do this. You did it. It's literally
the earliest coach been fired in forty years. You fired
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him faster than urban viral. You couldn't wait to do this,
So you did it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And I don't. Well, he didn't want to do it,
but but then he.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Did want to do it, because he did it. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
He wanted them to be ten and one right now.
There's a lot of things he wanted.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
But this is not the context of like a couple
of weeks ago, Oh, I don't, I don't want to
do it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Just man up.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I wanted to do it. I made a mistake. I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
I don't even like hate that in a vacuum of
like you're at this point, we don't need to like
belabor that this isn't going to work. Let's move on.
It actually might help. I mean it helped last year
when they hired Steve Wilkes. That's why they fell down
to the ninth pick and had to trade up DJ
Moore and uh, the number one picked to get the
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number one overall pick because he was so impatient last year.
If you had let matt rule play out the string,
you probably wouldn't have won all those games and you
wouldn't have traded all those picks. Let's just go over
some things that have happened with Tepper. He has a
half built facility in the middle of South Carolina. We
keep hearing how like, oh, he closes deals. Well, he
didn't close that. It's literally a half built building. He
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wanted Deshaun Watson couldn't get him. That worked that well.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
At least once they get the doors built on that facility,
they're going to close him.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Doors he wanted Matthew Stafford. Remember that they thought they
had Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
They didn't.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
They didn't close that. They traded Christian McCaffrey. They turned
down a couple high picks for Brian Burns last year.
I mean, it's it's just, uh, it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
And we'll talk more about uh the Panthers on Wednesday,
because guess what, we've been teasing this for a long time.
It's been in the works. There was a scrubbed pilot
edition of the program. A couple of weeks back that
was at an editorial error on our part. But this time
this week Wednesday, the premiere episode of Tepper B talking
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and against stylized. That's Tepper Dash, the letter B capitalized
dash talking, no G at the end, just the apostrophe there,
Tepper B talking because he has a press conference ten
thirty am Eastern on Tuesday, and I should just get
before we move on. Special teams coach Chris Tabor has
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been pointed as interim coach while offensive coordinator Thomas Brown,
who just he right gave Brown play calling duties and
then took them back, and now Reike's gone and he's
once again on the play calling duties with help from
senior assistant jim Caldell. Jimmy Caldwell still in the building.
Also let go, by the way, Josh McCown, who once
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upon a time was being touted as a head coach
who didn't even need any experience. Just put him right
up there. He's canned. And also Do Stalley, a hard
knock star for the lines. Last year their running backs
coach who jumped ship went to Carolina and that was
a mistake. So a lot of mistakes being made around
the Panthers at Giro.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Everro, who's a defensive coordinator, was also in the middle
of that Broncos mess last year when Hackett got fired
before the end of the season, So he has had
some tough luck in terms of the defenses he's coordinated.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
We have both played well.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And you mentioned McCown wanted to skip right to the
head of the line and become a head coach without
any you know, college or professional experience. The same can
be said for Greg Olsen, the number one analyst in
the Fox booth, who's potentially getting bumped down to number
two if Tom Brady actually decides to broadcast and he
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is letting it be known through a source close to
Greg Olsen, who you know, sounds a lot like Greg
Olsen to me from the outside that Greg Olson would
listen if David Tepper was interested in offering him the pandemic, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Trying to lure him with that, like stinky Dan Campbell cheese, listen,
I'm a tight end. You like me. I connect with
the players. Okay, by the way, that is made if.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Dan Campbell coach of the NFL for about eight years though,
before you go coach.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But you know that's major points for the side of
the coin, arguing Tom Brady's on his way to a
booth because Olson's already looking for a parachute. He's like,
I ain't dropping down to number two.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Well, yeah, Richard, coaching job, Richard Ditsche and Joe Person
this was a joint reporting. I should give them credit
for the athletic and Richard ditsch is their media journalist,
and he said that it looks like right now, yes, Brady,
you know that is probably gonna at least try it
for a year, and that in that scenario, Olsen would
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be bumped down to number two.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh isn't that a shame for you guys?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Mostly right now, right now, it's not. It hasn't happened.
You know, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
That is a disaster. By the way, because Olsen and
Burkehrd are excellent together, I don't wonder. I don't get
why Olsen would want to leave what he's doing right now,
where he is in a great spot, doing a great job,
to go take over a team in like disaster mode.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
It feels very just Saturday ish to me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But because he's butt hurt, because old Tommy Boy's riding
in to take his job.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Well, Creig and I have theories that you know that
Tom Brady may never take that job. But well, at
this point it sounds like, you know what, it took
a year off to study announcing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Please, I think we have sandwich props on that one.
If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, I believe, I believe we do. And uh, let's go.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Another angle is like John Lynch, he uses some outside
interest in returning to the league to leverage a nice
little raise there at Fox.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
But we'll see, Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
In other news, Miles Garrett thought he heard a pop
in his shoulder in Sunday's loss to who Mark I'm
blanking on it.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The Denver Broncos. However, according to rap Sheet, the injury
is not believed to be serious. The shoulder quote checked out, okay,
and that is, you know, season saving for the Browns
because you know you could take away Nick Chubb and
somehow survive. You take away to Sean Watson and still
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chug along. But if you take away the great Garrett,
I think the jig is up. So hopefully he will
be healthy and his normal dominating self this week. Dorian
Thompson Robinson not so clear after he took that wicked
shot in Denver. That could mean mark more of the
other Cleveland quarterback, which we do not need to see
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more of.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Well, I think I think it. I think the big
question is if they put Joe Flacco in there at
this point, who was wearing a It's very odd to me,
very odd to me to see Joe Flacco in a
Brown's hoodie on the sideline yesterday. That did not feel
right to me on any level. But you know, I
think if we were in a world where the MVP
race wasn't just simply like who the best quarterback is,
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which it just that's all it is at this point,
Miles Garrett is in that world, like for Cleveland in
the if you look at what he's done for the
Cleveland Browns, I think he's in that kind of you know,
space where he's won them games where I think in
the years past, like he's been more of a T. J.
Wattish type character this year where he's had major, like
an incredible impact game. After game yesterday, he watching him,
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he couldn't lift his left arm at all, like they
were trying to, like teammates were attempting to give him
a high five. He had to switch his body around
high five with his right hand. So I thought like
we were gonna get devastating news today. So this is
quite a boon for the Browns, who you're right without
Miles Garrett, check you, lator.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
We can't have Joe Flacco on the field in twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Right across the sidewalk, we actually might all have to go.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
We might have to Joe Flacco. He is the old
meaningful game too. They're seven and four. The Rams are
trying to get in the middle.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I had to watch Joe flacko on games I counted
last year for my team. Joe Flacco can throw, still
throw a tight spiral as many old dads can. But
that man is the ultimate Stone age pony in the pocket,
and even worse, if you even sniff around him in
the pocket, if he gets a little bit money muddy,
that ball goes flying. I'm I still stick to the
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theory I was sharing with you yesterday in the newsroom,
Mark that Flacco doesn't want to play. He's like, no,
I just I missed the guys. I I miss being
in the buildings, I missed the meetings, the camaraderie, but
don't put me in.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
No, he looked very comfortable, just sort of like hanging
out in street clothes, you know, as part of the collection,
part of the crew. Suddenly you're in a game where
you're getting like destroyed by like a pound defensive end.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, just getting smoked by guys born in two thousand
and two.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And it's just like we're not Donald Donald, Aaron Donald, Like, yeah,
come meet Aaron Donald four days from now.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And think about it. Like with with Flacco, he's Johnny
and iis biopic fell through and at this point he
already thought he would be you know, knee deep in
his Hollywood career, and since that never took off, he's
just looking to fill the void. And that's just being
in buildings and being around the guys, being in love.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
I will tell you I've mentioned poor but like in
the when we went to the Super Bowl in New
York and on you know that night, as we were
leaving were I think we're the last people to leave
that stadium, it started to snow and Greg had verbal
words with our taxi driver who tried to like get
gas in the middle of that trip, and overcharge us.
But the next day it was snowing pretty heavily and
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I was walking down the street Cider Hotel and Joe
Flacco like came out of a you know, swinging door,
and it was like like other quarterbacks that you just
think on the sideline look like average dudes. Like he
was a strapping, like handsome man. So he's ten times
cooler in person than you'd think just by looking at
him in a hoodie on the sideline. So we'll see.
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But him on the Browns makes no sense. No, but
him on the Browns makes no sense. Rights one of
the most jarring bizarre things that makes no like.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I mean, it's almost as weird as Carson Wentz taking
snaps through the Rams on Sunday. They didn't let him
throw the ball, but they just watching him run out
onto the field. What if we saw I mean, I
do not want Matthew Stafford to get hurt or anything,
but maybe he has to go to the bathroom for
a second. We see a little Wentz versus Flacco in
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I know we should move on, but I don't know
how many more times we're gonna have a chance to
talk about Joe Flacco, super Bowl forty seven super Dome.
The Ravens have just pulled it off, and Joe Flacco
just won Super Bowl MVP after one of the greatest
postseason runs by any quarterback ever. It happened. Look it
up and Mark, you and I snuck on the field
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at the Superdome, was right before they did that thing
where you have to scan your badge to get onto
the field, and we kind of remember, we ducked through
these curtains because the Superdome, you know, it's kind of
a dump in some respects, and they didn't have a
they didn't have it secure, so we kind of snuck
through these curtains. Got on the field right after the
game with the confetti and the cannons and the celebrations
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all around us, and there's Joe Flacco and next to
him is one of his brothers, and Joe looks taps
his brother on the shoulder in like a quiet moment
during the celebration after they did the Riser stuff and
pointed out this beautiful two thousand and thirteen or twenty
fourteen Corvette that was given to him for being the
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Super Bowl MVP. And he goes, hey, that's my car.
Pretty cool. Let's be cool to be a quarterback and
have success. All right, let's move on. That's my car.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Maybe the best half of football, it is my answer
for the first half of that game is the best
half I've ever seen any quarterback play in person.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Period. It's n even close. It's it was outrageous.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So Garrett expected to play Sunday. DT are uncertain shack
loss and brutally frustrating a loss for the Bills on Sunday.
And imagine a loss like that, and then you're in
Philly with all those fans everywhere there and they're giving
you a hard time. He ends up lost in He
got caught on video in a confrontation with fans during
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that game, and you know, I actually didn't have a
chance to take a look at this, but he did
apologize and say he respects the game and he respects
his opponents. He was giving his side of the story
that before the game there was a fan behind our
making life threatening remarks towards us and our families. Whoever
you are, Bradley Cooper, you gotta cut that out, all right,
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this is just football. But anyway, there was lines that
shouldn't be crossed lost and said and they were and
you know, so obviously a very emotional situation, and he
shouldn't have used hands. But I could see it too.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I have a feeling that the NFL will react strongly to
this because it's on video. If it wasn't on video,
which no one had heard about it until you know,
I'm gonna watch it, post it on Twitter. You know, no,
he wouldn't have gotten punished. But this is this is
the NFL's nightmare, as him getting right in his face,
right right in the front row as the game ended.
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I wonder if the fan came down even in further
or if he was there the whole time.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Oh, it's an ugly scene.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm looking at it now. Did he bumped him?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It looks like they were like in each other's face.
You can't really tell from that angle. Maybe there was
a little pushing, but thankful it didn't go further.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
By the way, that fan sucks whoever you are, you sucked, course, yeah,
of course, I mean it's a very it's a high
stress environment, an emotional game. You are there to watch
the game, not taunt the players and try to get
a reaction that you suck. Anyway, Alvin Kamara with Greg
set up this Salvin Kamara quote because the Saints are
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in very desperate straits right now. It doesn't seem like
anything on either side of the ball is particularly noteworthy.
But it's the offense especially that is in the crosshairs,
an offense that has been failing miserably in the red zone,
and everything is hard and the quarterback is not getting
it done, and neither is anyone else. Really, here's uh
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tell us about the Kamara words.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, Well, Cabert has been an interesting person to listen
to this year because he's clearly just frustrated. I think
it's not too hard to read between the lines of
the leadership that you know, there's some liking of tweets
from Michael Thomas that would maybe indicate like they're not
thrilled with the quarterback either and the coach. But in
this case, I thought he very pointingly in a way
that you don't hear a coach or a player almost
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call out directly his head coach in terms of the
words that his head coach uses. And he did that
after the game on Sunday. Now, this clip is from
Nick Underhill site New Orleans Football but it's a special
edited clip from a guy on Twitter, Nola Flint at
e f l y n T, and he had a
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little fun cutting it up.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 10 (43:29):
Just I don't know if we need to find a
real fix, not just oh, we got to be better,
because that's you wanna be better every week. That's obvious. Right,
Let's let's get past that. We already know we got
to be better. How are we gonna get better? What
are we going to do to get better?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
One day? Laydell?
Speaker 9 (43:45):
Yeah, look, I mean does it need to be better? Yes,
you know I'd be the first one to stand up
here and tell you that it needs to be that
it needs to be better. And it really hadn't been
quite where we needed to be in the last couple
of years. So it's going to continue to be an
area that we'll that we'll address and try to work
on and try to be better at.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
I don't know if we could use all that, but
he literally said, I'm sick of hearing you say we
got to be better. Tell us how to be better?
How are we going to be better? This is a
man Kamara that was coached by Sean Payton, who I
think is very good on the details, the small details
of the game, and that's where the Saints are struggling
twenty ninth in the red zone, all sorts of penalties,
and he's like, give us some answers.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
We're not getting answers.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
I feel like the Saints, like this offseason kind of
made it clear outside of you know, attempting to try
to convince us that Derek Carr was going to help things,
that they were very content with winning eight to nine games,
and Dennis Allen was sort of like the signal in
the in the symbol of that, and like, I can't
imagine a team that could have more changes coming this offseason.
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I could see a lot of transition.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, for sure. I mean we talked about it, we
did the what you people don't realize we are going
to see a lot of turnover in head coaches. We've
already now seen two go by the boards and we
just crossed Thanksgiving. There are gonna be you know, potentially
ten changes here by the time we get to January.
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It could be one of those real bloodbath years.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
NFC Southfield's like one coach survives basically, like whoever wins
the division, you keep your job. Maybe Arthur Smith could
keep it if you like when eight and nine and
didn't win the division. I don't know, but I don't
think that's the way it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Imagine like having your dream job that you fought your
whole life for and it's coming down to whether Desmond
Ritter can get you across the finish line at eight
and nine. That sounds very stressful. That sounds like an
ulcer waiting to happen. Injury news, Well, no, let's let's
hit some Raiders news. They cut Marcus Peters, the veteran cornerback.
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He had to pick six a couple weeks ago and
was playing for them, but they had a team meeting.
They had a meeting with him and he was due
I believe a million and a half in cent of
money if he played the rest of the season, and
I think that played a role in the decision to
part ways, as the Raiders obviously are not contending right now.
Roderick teamer, he gets a DUI on a game day,
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so he gets cut as well.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, maybe Peters ends up with his old Ravens team.
They could use a corner back and.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Then he would play like he was twenty six. Again,
I could see it. The Jags put left tackle Cam
Robinson on injured reserve. Dolphins left tackle Toront arms said
is week to week. We'll see where he comes down
health wise and anything on that.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Boys, well, I feel like every couple of weeks we
have our like wow, toront Armstead. They're just not the
same without him. And Saints Fanson kind of mentioned like
this was their experience with him too. Great guy, but
almost never plays more than eight to ten games and
they really aren't the same offense without him. And that's
a big loss for the Jaguars too. They're starting left
tackle even though they have some good depth there.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And finally, uh Joe Shane he uh came out and
did a press conference. He's the general manager of the
New York Giants, and he has said something that I
guess raised eyebrows. It did little a little bit less
for me, and we could talk about it. After listening
in on his words today, I think.
Speaker 11 (47:19):
We're gonna have to do something in the quarterback, whether
it's free agency or or the draft. I mean, just
where we are, Tyrod's contracts up, you know, Devido is
obviously on our contract, and Daniel you know, we don't
know when he's gonna be ready, So you know, just
from an off season program standpoint, you know, I think
that'll be a position that we'll We'll have to look again.
There's different avenues free agency or the draft, but we'll
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have to address it at some point.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
It was also said by Shane that the expectation is
Daniel Daniel Jones will be the starter went healthy. But listen,
we've been doing this for a while. That's that's what
they They almost always say, and they that and that
allows you to kind of cover yourself and also, uh,
you don't have you don't get accused of lying because
in the moment you're saying the expectation is that he's
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our starter. But then you go through an off season
where you check out what's in the free agency market,
the trade market, and the draft market, and it could
be very different. I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if the
Giants end up with a top five pick and don't
pull the trigger on a QB.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
I don't think you can go into next season if
you're Brian Dieble trying to sell Daniel Jones to the
fan base or to yourself. I think it's like, you know,
they came out of a year where he was the
most productive version of Daniel Jones and got the contract.
But it's like they're gonna be in position to draft someone.
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There gonna be a number of quarterbacks that are available
via trade, and it's like he'll at least have intense
competition for the starting job because I'm not convinced he's
a reliable starter on any level.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well, their win, you know, we talked about it on Sunday,
was really potentially huge for their draft position. And then
the Bears winning tonight is another team. There's quite a
bit of separation now between the top three picks. Carolina
at one win obviously that's the Bears pick, and then
the Cardinals and Patriots at two wins. Everyone else, including
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your Jets as four wins, so the Jets are even
in the mix for like a top five pick at
this point. There's a lot of teams, but there's a
operation there like Arizona and the Patriots, and then the
Bears are a pretty strong one two three right now
and they would all have to win multiple games to
fall out.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Of that if the season ended today. I'm on the
Great Tankathon Dot com it would be top five would
be Chicago from Carolina, Arizona, New England, Chicago again, Washington.
I'll give you the top ten Giants at six, Tampa Bay, seven, Jets,
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eight Chargers, nine, Tennessee ten where things stand right now.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
And yeah, picks four through ten, I'll have four wins,
So get excited.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
How about that, Greg? How about that that week eighteen
Jets at Patriots. That's a wild one because the Jets,
it's probably the Jets last chance to beat Bill beat
Bill Belichick, which they, outside of one miraculous playoff win,
could never do. And the Patriots need to lose that
game most likely. But they literally can't lose to the Jets.
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They've been trying to lose to the Jets for a
couple of years now. They still can't.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Right, they can't beat the Giants, no matter who who
they threw out there, and they can't lose to the Jets.
And and I thought, I just from you know, I
would have guessed that would have been one of those
fans that could actually root against, you know, the team
I grew up rooting for in a situation like this,
because I do know it would be better, I really
do want one of those quarterbacks that would get me excited.
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But when it came down to I can't root against
the team when they're on the field against the Giants,
they still wanted them to win until the game's over.
And then you're like, especially the Giants, Yeah, especially the Giants,
but until the game's over, but really any of the games.
And then you're like, Okay, actually, now that that's a
half hour old, that's probably good that that actually happened.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
But how can you root against your own team?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
It doesn't. Can I just double back? Mark? I can't.
I came too strong there. I feel like the Daniel
Jones things maybe has a little more. God, they just
gave him this huge contract and the whole season was
a lost season. He gets hurt. Are they gonna bail
on him? I know there's only one year guaranteed money
left beyond this year. Yeah, also Dabel is Now if
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Dabel really does like Jones, and I would imagine he
liked him a lot because he had to be fully
on board, you would imagine, or yeah.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
With no, I don't I don't think there's I don't
like it. First of all, like the kind of the
contract is what for they're tied to him for one
more year. I think it just depends what other opportunities
come up, like Brian Dable after this season. I mean,
assuming it just continues in the skittish fashion that it's
been in, Like you're coaching for your job next year,
Like do you tie your job to Daniel Jones? I
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would not. I would he did.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I mean what I'm saying is three months ago or
whatever he was perfectly comfortable with it, or four months
ago when they whenever the contract was handed out, at
did they did he lose the faith of the team
that quickly? I guess it's certainly, certainly. And maybe they're
trying to thread the needle Greggy. Maybe they're they're looking
at like the old, the old Chargers model, and it's like, well,
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we got Drew Brees here, but let's draft Philip Rivers
and then if Drew Brees plays, well, we could trade
him and then give Phil. You know, maybe they're hoping
they can maybe Jones is still involved next year and
then they have a backup ready to roll either way.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, I think they want to be ready.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
I think they will absolutely get a quarterback if at
all possible. But if they have the sixth pick, are
they going to maybe trade picks up to get a quarterback? No,
Then having Dania Jones maybe changes that and we'll see
what veterans are available. But I always thought, as as
I usually do with quarterbacks and the Giants, that ownership
was involved, and in that contract, I think they were big.
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They're big fans of Daniel Jones getting that thing over
the finish line. And and it's only one more year,
and this year could not have been any worse Dan.
I mean that if he had this year a year ago,
it's not like it would have been a decision, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
So, and he's coming off in ACL. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm not a huge Danny Dimes guy, And I always
thought it was a little weird that, like the last
four games in a playoff game before the Eagles loss,
that's really what got him paid when he got hot there,
I thought, more than anything else, it always seemed weird
that he got the deal. But I don't know they
got a big decision to make anything else, boys.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Not particularly for me.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
Has the Christmas parade ended?
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Mark? Yeah? What did you get into your apartment? Mark?
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Eleven something eleven something like, you know.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
You could have like parked like a mile away and
then like walked or something like that. I could have
if he really needed to get back for some reason.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
Right.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
Right, But this was a disaster, So I am, what's up?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Like, I don't know. I don't know this because I
don't produce, But could Mark have like jumped on on
his phone from the car if he's anyway, if you
really like cared?
Speaker 12 (54:11):
Yeah, no, I mean yeah, it's definitely a possibility. I
don't want to throw you under the bus, but I
think I want to say we had Bonetta on her
phone at one point in.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
The Friday last year to.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Established but.
Speaker 12 (54:25):
I've been in the Hollywood area he signal out there.
It probably would have been a nightmare and it would
have just created a problem. So I will give him that.
So yeah, well it could have been done. Eric, Sorry,
sorry Mark, Thank you?
Speaker 9 (54:38):
Eric.
Speaker 6 (54:39):
Uh, we'll talk to you later. Have a nice night,
all right, everybody, have a nice night.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
We'll be back. Check out NFL Plus where we broke
down Eagles bills, and we'll be back Wednesday. It's Connie
Fox Wednesdays. Uh, and the premiere episode of Yes Tepper
be talking. Uh so you can't miss that till then
eat the car people,
Yeah he can.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Gootway just limped off the field for the Bears. This
one is intercepted by Chicago and Kyler Gordon. Justin Jones
was bobbling it and Gordon came away where the Eric
has been really good.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
But they finally let a team hang around long enough.
They're gonna put a drive together and put themselves back
in the game.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Gordon went back to the sideline, briskers over their two
end zone fuckins and touchdown. They're gonna let it tick
down thirty yard try in essence to win it for Cairo.
Santos lay clock had four good snap, good hold, good kick.
Bears are back on top with ten seconds to go.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
The Bear state on top in a twelve to ten
win over the Vikings in a pretty hideous Monday night
football game that provided just enough entertainment value in the
back end to save us all from truly having an
agonizing Monday. And it is the Vikings, the team of
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around the NFL. Now looking within, we would imagine after
losing an unlosable game to a Chicago team that was
doing everything they could to keep Minnesota in playoff position,
and yet here we are. Dan Hansis with Greg Rosenthal
and Mark Sessler. Yes, Joshua Dobbs, the patron saint of
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atn throws. Four interceptions in this game and even two
gnarly Justin Fields fumbles in the fourth quarter weren't enough
to get Minnesota out of this game. Greggie, there's all
sorts of goldthorns to be handed out here, but let's
start with the Bears, who you know, get a win
when they need one. Matty eve reflues finally as a
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division win, and Justin Fields. I don't know what to
take out of the Field's performance.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I want to start with the goat Horns.
Speaker 5 (02:12):
I'm sorry, I'm too caught up in my vikings wish
fulfillment that they would come through with for us as
a team of atl And.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
I'm not backing off.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
We knew it was gonna be bumpy if I even
said when we picked him. If we're picking the better
team like Houston Texans, they're better at football, we got
to be in for the ride. But the thing that
drives me crazy is on this night with four interceptions
from josh Dobbs. To me, what stands out is the
coaching losing its nerve in the final three minutes after
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Justin Fields fumbles that ball. As crazy as this night
was going to be, I thought we were going to
be celebrating that. Wow, it's the night that Josh stobbs
through four interceptions and they won the game anyways. But
then the play calls after that on both sides of
the ball were crazy. Kevin O'Connor going run, run, screen pass,
He gets one yard, he gets two yards, and he
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gets a screen to burn all the Bears timeouts when
he was calling for fourth and seven plays at midfield earlier,
which I didn't mind. He was trying to be aggressive,
but to get so conservative in that moment and you're
so far away you can't even kick a field goal
there because the plays didn't go well to punt it
out of bounds. And then for Brian Flores, even more
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surprising to me, Mark the blitz master and had been
working all night, suddenly backs off in the final drive
for Justin Fields. He's sitting back there patting the ball
and he ends up firing a bullet to Dj Moore
up the middle of the field. Only fields his second
throw all night, Mark to the middle of the field,
second throw over ten yards, he hits it and the
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Bears win, and I do feel like at the very end,
the Vikings lost that Hutzba that we love him so much.
Speaker 6 (03:52):
For yep, thirty four yard completion to DJ Moore and
the Bears somehow became you know, there were twenty nine
teams that have failed to score a touchdown this season.
They are the first team to do that and win.
Is a weird game. That's kind of like what we're
dealing with, and like, I kind of it's like, Dobbs
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is a wonderful story, one of the great stories of
the season. Tonight doesn't change that. But he's a He's
a deep backup if you really think about it, and like.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Oh, let's pull back the reins now and call him
a deep backup.
Speaker 6 (04:27):
Well, I mean it's just that, like we're asking him
to lead the team of atl and I love him.
I love his personality, I love his energy and his fire,
but like we're seeing the flaws tonight and like it's
it's gonna be it's a rough ride. It's gonna be
a rough ride because I think what we were introduced
to on Thanksgiving was a team in the Green Bay
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Packers that are like maybe we're we're awakening and now
you've got this NFC North that's in flux. And I
wonder if the Vikings are heading in a different direction
where the Green Bay Packers a heading upwards not downward.
Speaker 5 (05:02):
They have a buy they're six and six. That there
we can get into their long term stuff, but they
have a buy in their six and six and they
still have a lot of season. We're gonna there's gonna
be upsodes its gonna be downs.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, we can't. We can't bail. We can't. This is
the team we're not on the NFL. This is a
teamate cecil. You know who's not the team of atl
the Packers, they're not. It's the Vikings. And we need
to pull together, not fall apart at this moment, but
we can internally there could be tough love. And Brian
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Florida is as you're saying, GREGI, that is a man
known for his aggressiveness on the football field. That is
a man of valor, that is a man of bottomless integrity.
Look what's going on in his life beyond just what
he does on the sidelines. Look at justin fields on
the previous two possessions, the men didn't want to win, well,
he wanted to win, but he was incapable of it.
Speaker 7 (05:55):
He couldn't protect the ball. He was holding the ball
all game like he does every week. All you had
to do was send the heat, and there was a
very good chance Justin Fields was either gonna throw it
up for grabs, take a gnarly sack to kind of
blow the game, or fumble on while being.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Pressured and to let him off the hook like that.
I just couldn't believe it, and Troy Aikman couldn't believe it.
And yet we can't put everything on floors because, like
I said, the Goat horns instead of the Viking horns
go everywhere. Dobbs obviously is the other big name here,
and you know, you're right, like I don't think maybe
he's not a true QB one. Maybe he's in this
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like purgatory where he's just a top rate backup or
a lower level starter. So a game like this can
happen to a player like that. But yes, if you're
a Vikings fan, you're a little nervous about you know,
is the pixie dust now gonna disappear? The good news
is again, as we know, that's internally, that's stuff we
talk about inside the house. Outside the house, we get
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at Vegas against the Raiders, you know, which is not
a not a team as bad as they were when
Josh McDaniels was there, but this is no juggernaut. And
then you get the Bengals on the road in Sincy,
which I would say was deadly if Joe Burrow was
still around, but he's not before the Lions. So this
one hurts a lot, just like the Broncos game hurt
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last week. But it's not over yet. NFC's wide open.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
No, their defense, you know, played well for most of
the night. Fields came out and I'm with you, I
wasn't sure what to make of that game from fields
other than the Bear should just run the ball more
in short yarded situations. I mean, they they called a
very crazy game too. They went for a fourth and
ten early from around midfield. They hit it, and they
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also chose to kick field goals on a fourth and
two and fourth and three, and look, points were at
a premium and you can look at the final result
and say that makes sense. But they weren't running the
ball with fields until they really needed too late in
the game, and then it worked, and his numbers were
great to start. He was twelve for twelve for one
hundred yards. They had a nice opening script, but everything
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was lining of scrimmage or close to it. Everything was
to the side, and it was a response to those
those blitzes. And it worked for a drive that resulted
in no points, and then they got the three points,
and then after that it just it wasn't working, and
they didn't have a pivot and they didn't really use
him as a runner. And I thought Josh Mittelis was brilliant,
(08:25):
Like the Vikings defense played really well, but a lot
of that and I know Twitter is all about fields
and I like fields. I think he is an NFL quarterback.
I don't think he's a guy you would pass up
the number one pick for. But some of those plays
were on him. I mean he misses Mooney when he's
trying to scramble to make a play. He makes a
bad decision on one hot read to Mooney, I mean
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to more where he throws the ball.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
So he was at.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Fault on a lot of these. And then the fumbles
late were brutal as well.
Speaker 6 (08:54):
Yeah, he's got seven fourth quarter turnovers this season. I
just I don't I think it's okay to have a
football game once in a while, even though this was
like an island game from like Beaeselbob like where like
we don't have to have four thousand takeaways. I'm just
to be real, like I don't. I don't come away
from this having like major like identity, like like associations
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with either team. It's like, I'm not, this didn't sell
me on Justin Fields. It didn't not sell me on them.
The Vikings are who they are, They've got They're gonna
try to survive with Dobbs. I think Dobbs will serve,
will also rebound next week and be fine. But it's
like I don't I didn't need to come away with
this with like a Russian novel to be honest. Is
that okay? It's just like I just like it was
a weird game. I think Troy Aikman like identified it
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as a weird game like four hundred to five hundred
times tonight, and it is what it was, like, it's
like cool, like it happened. It happened. If this were
on a Sunday, it would be the eighth or ninth
game we talked about.
Speaker 5 (09:51):
That was that was a four. There aren't many four
interception games this year. That was kind of a meltdown
by Dobbs. Anytime he was under pressure, he was just
kind of throwing it up. There was one of the
three four interceptions that you know, he put a lot
of juice on it, but it was essentially a dropped
by Addison. One of the interceptions was a great play
by Jalen Johnson, you know, the first one. The other
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two were mind numbing and he could have had one
or two more, which is why the four number doesn't
even seem unfair, because at some point he just was losing,
like when to give up on a play.
Speaker 6 (10:25):
Well, So Dan and Mark, though, are ignoring one of
the darker aspects to this contest, the Locke brothers, who
have been historically successful. Dan, not a good night for us,
like I mean, in general, not a good lock season
for us. We've nullified it. It doesn't exist in our book.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But I want to say that's had Thanksgiving your oh
and one.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
I want to see how far we could take this.
How bad can we get every virtually every favorite one.
All you have to do in this block competition is
picked the right team that wins. There's no spread. You
just got to pick the right team. The NFL is
a very wonky place in twenty twenty three. But I
say that, and then the odd old uh you know,
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Horsehoe up is Heinie Rosenthal over there every week drilling
his picks, piping them every week. But there's really nothing
to say. It's disgraceful. I mean, it's uh. I think
we're both two games under. And at this point I've
even I even thought about it, Like, because I'm out
of the law competition and I'm not catching Greg, why
don't I just go with Greg on every pick the
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rest of the season. Why don't I just and and
at least try to save my uh my overall career record. No, obviously,
I see obviously, you know, yeah, you see, you know
me well, because obviously the instincts are wrong week after week.
But you know, like so many other locks that have
failed this year, everything checked out for me before the game.
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I felt great about this game, and I just didn't
see the I didn't see Dobbs laying in this big
an egg obviously, And and they can you know, they
still have justin Jefferid at some point he's coming back.
He's now, But out seven weeks.
Speaker 4 (12:02):
He has to come back after the buyer. He has
to be on their rock.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
Yeah, and the expectation is they were trying to give
him one more week for them.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I don't want to totally put everything on Dobbs too,
because I thought the offensive line had a bad game
for the Vikings. I thought O'Connell you mentioned how conservative
was when they had a chance to sault the game
away in the fourth quarter and he ran it three
times and then he punted. But you know a lot
of early down runs were just the running game is
going nowhere, and it's just in general. I just didn't
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like on both offense and defense, just not an aggressive
game by the Vikings. They kind of just let the
game play out and thought they could eventually steal it,
and you know, they nearly did, but they didn't. And
that is one and nine now Meddiebraflus against the NFC North.
That was the longest active division losing streak in the
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NFL so and it was the Bears longest since the
nineteen seventy mergers. So you get that monkey off your back.
I think is just trying to hang around and get
another year in Chicago, and I think Fields. The only
thing I'll say about Fields, and you're right, Mark, we
don't need to give this game too much more because yes,
it was played on an island, but also it deserves
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to be on a deserted island, is that Fields is
gonna have to be a lot better in these last
five weeks or so to have any chance to stay
in Chicago, if he even wants to stay in Chicago.
But if this is the type of up and down
roller coaster efforts we're going to see the rest of
the way really where there's no reason to think that
won't be the case based on the larger sample size
that he's given us. At this point, he's probably you know,
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playing his final games as a Bear, so he has
to turn it on anything else.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, I think.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Eberflus who was Ozero to nine. When I saw that statua,
I wasn't aware of that before this game. I thought, Oh,
this mean this man can't continue to coach a team
if he's oh to.
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Twelve against the division through the end of the year.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
So I tend to think he has a less than
you know, fighters chance of returning next year. The only
chance is to probably go four and two in their
next six and this win is a nice way to
even start that beforehand, like to start winning games and
to kind of convince the ownership that it's somehow head
in the right direction. I think Fields is in a
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similar spot where to me, if they're head, if the
Panthers give them the number one or number two overall pick,
Justin Fields has an uphill battle to say I'm more
valuable than that guy because you can get a pick
for Fields. I think he's shown enough that he's going
to be an NFL quarterback. Worst case scenario, you're probably
getting like a two and a three for Field something
like that, and you might be able to do better,
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and you want him to do better, but are these
the coaches to really lead him that way anyways. That's
why it always gives a certain meaningless feel to a
season when you feel like you're building this quarterback, but
the coaches aren't probably going to be there anyways.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
Yeah, I feel like the Bears are in this weird
place where, like I'm with you, where I see a
lot in Fields, but then like also I could see
them easily looking beyond him for someone in the draft
that they had that kind of a situation and It's
like with Eberflus, like they have been better over the
last If you look at the last month of the Bears,
you can start to see it coming together a little bit,
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like like they've they've been a better team. But like
Eberflus is almost so resistant to giving us any impression
of anything special or original or unique about him. I
don't know what, Like some coaches just have this thing
where you're like, we could we could attach ourselves to
them and like kind of fall for them in a
certain way, whether they're good or bad. Like Eberflus, I
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just have no concept of what he's doing that's unique
for the Bears, And I think that's a problem for
a coach in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
I agree with you on that mark. And he's one
of those guys and this is his second year right
where still every time I see him on the sideline
for a split second, I'm like, oh, who's that.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Oh well, he was the guy and he's just like,
there's no way that guy's coach. Like ten years from now,
we'll be like, what was that guy's now at this
feels mean his defense is coming together a little bit.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
TJ.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Edwards, Jalen Johnson, but it's like a lot of these
guys aren't going to be there either.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
The one good thing mark about Monday Night Football, no
matter how bad the game is, it's a chance to
spend three and a half hours with Joe and Troy,
two men who genuinely enjoy each other's company, one of
them a Hall of Fame quarterback and I know, a
long time Sessler favorite and as good as it gets
in terms of color man in the booth and Buck
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who is like his father going to be joining him
in the broadcasting Hall of Fame one day. And I
just I think they are heads and shoulders above every
other play by play team in the sport right now.
And they're just throwing that easy cheese. And there was
a moment in this game and I'm glad, and a
shout out to Sean Kelly, one of our great people
behind the scenes here who have the same thought as
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I did that after Jalen Johnson dropped, they would be picks.
Which was the second week in a row the talented
Bears cornerback had came very close to making a game
changing play. Aikman mentioned you know that he was going
to or Aikman was gonna mention he was going to
catch heat for being critical, and then Buck kind of
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took us inside what it's like to be in this
public opposition. I just thought it was fun. Let's listen in.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
I mentioned the one he didn't want to hear about it.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
I know.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
I mentioned the one that he dropped last week against
Detroit that likely wins the game if he makes that play.
Detroit scores on the very next play. That's a pick
six again, So back to back weeks. He has an
opportunity for a pick six, just unable to make the play.
He can't hear you now anyway, No, but he's got family.
He will just hear about it after and then be
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mad and probably post something online, and then you'll hear
about it for the rest.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Of the week, and then we'll all forget about it.
It's three nothing bears on top as they go back
on offense after a forty seven yard punt.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
I mean they're just throwing high with a big, old
breaking ball and a devastating change up right now.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
I would say, as someone who's you know, from time
to time put things online that I did not intend to. Yeah,
you just ride it out. You just ride it out the.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
Chef's kiss for me, there was him saying, and then
we'll all forget about it. That's what puts Joe Buck
over the top. He went through all that and then
he points out at the very end like and it
will all be completely meaningless.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
We'll have no memory of it.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
And Dan, you you once said, you know, almost hurtfully
to me that that I always want to disagree with
everything you are saying, just by reflex of nature. So
I hope you know how much this means to me.
Is I couldn't agree with you more about your Joe
Buck and Troy Aikman take. They this is the bed
best broadcast right now and it's not even close.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
I'm all right, good, Let I see that makes me
feel good as well. And you're right Mark. You know
they say the Internet never forgets, but you know, life
goes on old blood o blad dah, Yes, it does.
Take a break and we will hit some news, all right,
welcome back. Here is the reporting on Monday morning from
ian Rapaport out of Charlotte.
Speaker 4 (19:11):
Owner Dave Tepper.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Mike did not want to make this move during the season.
Sounded like the preference would be to evaluate after the season.
That was the goal and it is always the goal
until unless you just cannot watch any further. The brutal
game on Sunday, plenty of mismanagement, quarterback did not play well.
Owner Dave Tepper deciding this morning that Frank Reich would
be out less than one season after taking over the
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Carolina Panthers head coaching duties, and it is once again
a coaching search on in Carolina.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
H Yes, unbelievable. Frank Reich is out after just eleven games,
which is we're talking history. We're talking he didn't last
as long as urban Meyer, and that guy was the worst.
But maybe we should have known it was coming, because,
as you talked about in the Sunday show, Tepper walked
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out of the locker room after that loss of the Titans,
shook his head and said, fuck. It was bad news
for Frank Reich. And sure enough, the meeting on Monday
went as poorly as imagined. He leaves after a one
in ten start of the season and no growth from
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number one overall. Pick Bryce Young. Let's face it, Mark,
that is ultimately what got Reich canned. It's one thing,
and I really do think because Tepper is so I
think in it so involved, perhaps overly involved that you
know he's freaking out about the Bryce Young situation down
in Houston as well, Like this was too big a
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decision to get wrong, and he is like a CEO,
has his hands in everything and has decided, Man, we
got to get this figured out at quarterback. We got
to get this team on the right track. So you
get rid of the head coach, something that he's been
known to do since taking over this team.
Speaker 6 (21:04):
It's a total disaster. I like part of me like
just feels for Frank Reike because I think we have
enough evidence to tell us that Frank Reich is a
good head coach overall. Like, I think this was a mess.
The roster was a mess.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:19):
They put Bryce Young into a tough situation.
Speaker 9 (21:23):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (21:23):
Their offensive line is a disaster. I don't know. I
guess for me, I'm like looking at overall at the
temper experience so far. And you know we talked about
it before. Greg you mentioned, like on Sunday Night Show
that like the NFL owner that comes in from another
life venture where you succeed and you you know, you
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play the high roller and you fire people left and
right to create the right environment that works in other places.
I don't know about those places because I'm not good
at other jobs. But I do this job. But like
in the NFL, like I don't know if I am,
but like the owner like is going to learn real
quick that like this kind of situation where you're still
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paying Matt Rule's assistance at this point, you signed Matt
Rule to like an eight year contract that threw a
bunch of other owners like into a tizzy because it
was ridiculous. You're now painting you still are on the
hook for twenty five million to Frank Reich. The impatience level.
If you took an overall look at the roster, what
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were you expecting this season? Like what are you asking
Frank Reich to accomplish? Like I've been down on Frank Reike.
I don't think he did. I don't think he was
special this year at all. He didn't like actually come
in and really make things great for them. But it's
like Frank Reich is just the scapegoat here. I mean,
I mean, where's the patience level? And I think the
Panthers have a one of the worst problems you can
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have as an NFL fan, which is your owner is
creating the mailstrom. Your owner is creating the firestorm. Your
owner is creating the problem. And I don't know how
you get out of that. You don't get out of
that because it's not solvable by firing anyone else, like
Tepa right now is the problem?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Right?
Speaker 5 (23:06):
And he is fired between his MLS team. He bought
an MLS team a couple of years ago. It was
an expansion, so they were building it up. But they
started playing last year and then he's got the NFL team.
Between those two teams, in the last eighteen months, he
has fired four head coaches. That is not the interim.
So he had his MLS team, he fired the coach
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after one season, then he fired Matt Rule in the
middle of last season. Then the MLS team made the
playoffs actually, and he fired that coach anyways after one season,
and now here's Raich and it's all fine, like obviously,
Like if you're in that press conference tomorrow, the question
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is like, well, why should we have any confidence you
know how to pick a coach because you are self,
admittedly terrible at it. You have said four different times,
I'm bad at this. I need to fit my mistake.
You gave you said it. Matt Rule got a seven
year contractor Frank Raike got a five. They were the
most expensive coaching at staff in history. Frank Reike with
all these assistants. So he's bad at it? Why why
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should you be any good at it? And it's not
even Frank Reike's fault necessarily. When the reporting from Adam
Schefter was that he wanted c. J. Stroud or Anthony Richardson,
there was differing reports on that that Frank Reike did
not want Bryce Young, but that the owner did. And
so that is just as messy as humanly possible.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
And you saw it. I mean I watched the game
yesterday and you could just see Frank Reich on the sideline,
just his body language and he was just struggling. It
was it was tough for him. And then when you
think about that kind of stuff, you know, this is
his last chance. Let's face it, this is Frank. You
got fired by two straight teams and back to back years.
He's not getting another head coaching job. It would be
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a stunner if he did.
Speaker 5 (24:50):
Do you want do you want to quote from him
to Scott Fowler of the Yeah Ever today, The quote
was this is probably the final chapter of my NFL journey.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
That's such a sa.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
And that's said, and you if you only get one
more bite at the apple, you kinda and you get
hired as a guy that has a lot of experience
both as a player and as a coach, and the
pedigree coming, you know, before the coach job from the Eagles.
You I think what Tepper needs to learn is you
should defer to people that know this business more than yourself.
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And maybe if you listen to Frank Reich and some
other football people, you have Stroud or you have Richardson,
who we don't know what he's gonna be like, but
we certainly know Stroud is the dude. And I don't
want to oversimplify it or repeat myself, but it is.
This is the other thing that I imagine is massively
frustrating to someone like a Dave Tepper is if he
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just picks the other guy, none of this is probably
happening now. I'm not saying Stroud would be doing as
well in Carolina as he is in Houston, because there's
a different coaching staff down there, different players, but you
get the feeling that if if he makes that decision, differently.
We might we are probably not in this situation.
Speaker 5 (26:06):
He's probably not fired, but I feel like it would
still be a mess, but it wouldn't.
Speaker 4 (26:10):
Be the same.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I don't know, man, Like, here's the thing, Like, and
he's gonna.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Seen some great quarterbacks in messes, you know, as rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
He's sure and and but I've seen a lot of
quarterbacks too, Greg, Like from my time as a Jets fan.
When you're when you're like at the bottom of the
QBR list, there is coming back from him. You'll get
Alex Smith. There's a couple of cases through the year,
Eli like it happens, but it's also many times a
sign of a bad sign. And and he has been
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very bad this year. Bryce Young and hopefully someone comes
in that connects with him. But Young being this guy
so far, and the fact that they don't have a
number one overall pick, and the fact that Tepper is
who he is, Like, who wants this job? This is
not a very this is not a very attractive job
on the open market. I don't think yep.
Speaker 6 (26:58):
That was my thought too, was like it's gonna be
tough to pull at this point. I would imagine Tepper
wants to hit a home run, you know, from an
optics standpoint, and you're asking a coach to come in
and work out of a corner because like I think,
like the quarterback is the number one thing, and like
Bryce Young, Dan, I think you said it well like
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last night, like he plays small, like we we there's
things you like about Bryce Young, but it's like the
next coach, Like what kind of coach is it gonna be? That,
Like you've been stripped of picks, you traded away your
number one wide receiver, there's very few weapons, the team
has a disastrous offensive line, and you're not sure the
quarterback can play. Like anyone will take an NFL job
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at some point, but this is a rough ask and
it's like you're not going to get a premier candidate,
so like Tepper might wind up with someone even more
unknown or riskier than even Frank Reich. And it's like
I just I don't know. I think it's like the
Panthers are in a really rough spot right now and
it's because of ownership.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Well, yeah, don't don't tell me.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
By the way, you didn't want to do this, you know,
I know Ian is just reporting what they were saying,
you know, he was saying, like this was not the plan.
He didn't want to do this. The hope was to
make it to the end of the season. No, you
did want to do this. You did it. It's literally
the earliest coach been fired in forty years. You fired
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him faster than urban viral. You couldn't wait to do this,
So you did it.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
And I don't. Well, he didn't want to do it,
but but then he.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Did want to do it, because he did it. You
know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
He wanted them to be ten and one right now.
There's a lot of things he wanted.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
But this is not the context of like a couple
of weeks ago, Oh, I don't, I don't want to
do it.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
Just man up.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
I wanted to do it. I made a mistake. I don't.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
I don't even like hate that in a vacuum of
like you're at this point, we don't need to like
belabor that this isn't going to work. Let's move on.
It actually might help. I mean it helped last year
when they hired Steve Wilkes. That's why they fell down
to the ninth pick and had to trade up DJ
Moore and uh, the number one picked to get the
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number one overall pick because he was so impatient last year.
If you had let matt rule play out the string,
you probably wouldn't have won all those games and you
wouldn't have traded all those picks. Let's just go over
some things that have happened with Tepper. He has a
half built facility in the middle of South Carolina. We
keep hearing how like, oh, he closes deals. Well, he
didn't close that. It's literally a half built building. He
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wanted Deshaun Watson couldn't get him. That worked that well.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
At least once they get the doors built on that facility,
they're going to close him.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
Doors he wanted Matthew Stafford. Remember that they thought they
had Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
They didn't.
Speaker 5 (29:36):
They didn't close that. They traded Christian McCaffrey. They turned
down a couple high picks for Brian Burns last year.
I mean, it's it's just, uh, it's depressing.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
And we'll talk more about uh the Panthers on Wednesday,
because guess what, we've been teasing this for a long time.
It's been in the works. There was a scrubbed pilot
edition of the program. A couple of weeks back that
was at an editorial error on our part. But this time
this week Wednesday, the premiere episode of Tepper B talking
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and against stylized. That's Tepper Dash, the letter B capitalized
dash talking, no G at the end, just the apostrophe there,
Tepper B talking because he has a press conference ten
thirty am Eastern on Tuesday, and I should just get
before we move on. Special teams coach Chris Tabor has
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been pointed as interim coach while offensive coordinator Thomas Brown,
who just he right gave Brown play calling duties and
then took them back, and now Reike's gone and he's
once again on the play calling duties with help from
senior assistant jim Caldell. Jimmy Caldwell still in the building.
Also let go, by the way, Josh McCown, who once
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upon a time was being touted as a head coach
who didn't even need any experience. Just put him right
up there. He's canned. And also Do Stalley, a hard
knock star for the lines. Last year their running backs
coach who jumped ship went to Carolina and that was
a mistake. So a lot of mistakes being made around
the Panthers at Giro.
Speaker 5 (31:14):
Everro, who's a defensive coordinator, was also in the middle
of that Broncos mess last year when Hackett got fired
before the end of the season, So he has had
some tough luck in terms of the defenses he's coordinated.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
We have both played well.
Speaker 5 (31:29):
And you mentioned McCown wanted to skip right to the
head of the line and become a head coach without
any you know, college or professional experience. The same can
be said for Greg Olsen, the number one analyst in
the Fox booth, who's potentially getting bumped down to number
two if Tom Brady actually decides to broadcast and he
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is letting it be known through a source close to
Greg Olsen, who you know, sounds a lot like Greg
Olsen to me from the outside that Greg Olson would
listen if David Tepper was interested in offering him the pandemic, he's.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Trying to lure him with that, like stinky Dan Campbell cheese, listen,
I'm a tight end. You like me. I connect with
the players. Okay, by the way, that is made if.
Speaker 5 (32:19):
Dan Campbell coach of the NFL for about eight years though,
before you go coach.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
But you know that's major points for the side of
the coin, arguing Tom Brady's on his way to a
booth because Olson's already looking for a parachute. He's like,
I ain't dropping down to number two.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Well, yeah, Richard, coaching job, Richard Ditsche and Joe Person
this was a joint reporting. I should give them credit
for the athletic and Richard ditsch is their media journalist,
and he said that it looks like right now, yes, Brady,
you know that is probably gonna at least try it
for a year, and that in that scenario, Olsen would
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be bumped down to number two.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Oh isn't that a shame for you guys?
Speaker 5 (33:03):
Mostly right now, right now, it's not. It hasn't happened.
You know, we'll see.
Speaker 6 (33:08):
That is a disaster. By the way, because Olsen and
Burkehrd are excellent together, I don't wonder. I don't get
why Olsen would want to leave what he's doing right now,
where he is in a great spot, doing a great job,
to go take over a team in like disaster mode.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:24):
It feels very just Saturday ish to me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
But because he's butt hurt, because old Tommy Boy's riding
in to take his job.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
Well, Creig and I have theories that you know that
Tom Brady may never take that job. But well, at
this point it sounds like, you know what, it took
a year off to study announcing.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Please, I think we have sandwich props on that one.
If I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, I believe, I believe we do. And uh, let's go.
Speaker 5 (33:48):
Another angle is like John Lynch, he uses some outside
interest in returning to the league to leverage a nice
little raise there at Fox.
Speaker 4 (33:58):
But we'll see, Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
In other news, Miles Garrett thought he heard a pop
in his shoulder in Sunday's loss to who Mark I'm
blanking on it.
Speaker 6 (34:15):
The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
The Denver Broncos. However, according to rap Sheet, the injury
is not believed to be serious. The shoulder quote checked out, okay,
and that is, you know, season saving for the Browns
because you know you could take away Nick Chubb and
somehow survive. You take away to Sean Watson and still
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chug along. But if you take away the great Garrett,
I think the jig is up. So hopefully he will
be healthy and his normal dominating self this week. Dorian
Thompson Robinson not so clear after he took that wicked
shot in Denver. That could mean mark more of the
other Cleveland quarterback, which we do not need to see
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more of.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Well, I think I think it. I think the big
question is if they put Joe Flacco in there at
this point, who was wearing a It's very odd to me,
very odd to me to see Joe Flacco in a
Brown's hoodie on the sideline yesterday. That did not feel
right to me on any level. But you know, I
think if we were in a world where the MVP
race wasn't just simply like who the best quarterback is,
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which it just that's all it is at this point,
Miles Garrett is in that world, like for Cleveland in
the if you look at what he's done for the
Cleveland Browns, I think he's in that kind of you know,
space where he's won them games where I think in
the years past, like he's been more of a T. J.
Wattish type character this year where he's had major, like
an incredible impact game. After game yesterday, he watching him,
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he couldn't lift his left arm at all, like they
were trying to, like teammates were attempting to give him
a high five. He had to switch his body around
high five with his right hand. So I thought like
we were gonna get devastating news today. So this is
quite a boon for the Browns, who you're right without
Miles Garrett, check you, lator.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
We can't have Joe Flacco on the field in twenty
twenty three.
Speaker 5 (36:14):
Right across the sidewalk, we actually might all have to go.
Speaker 4 (36:17):
We might have to Joe Flacco. He is the old
meaningful game too. They're seven and four. The Rams are
trying to get in the middle.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
I had to watch Joe flacko on games I counted
last year for my team. Joe Flacco can throw, still
throw a tight spiral as many old dads can. But
that man is the ultimate Stone age pony in the pocket,
and even worse, if you even sniff around him in
the pocket, if he gets a little bit money muddy,
that ball goes flying. I'm I still stick to the
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theory I was sharing with you yesterday in the newsroom,
Mark that Flacco doesn't want to play. He's like, no,
I just I missed the guys. I I miss being
in the buildings, I missed the meetings, the camaraderie, but
don't put me in.
Speaker 6 (36:57):
No, he looked very comfortable, just sort of like hanging
out in street clothes, you know, as part of the collection,
part of the crew. Suddenly you're in a game where
you're getting like destroyed by like a pound defensive end.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
No, just getting smoked by guys born in two thousand
and two.
Speaker 5 (37:14):
And it's just like we're not Donald Donald, Aaron Donald, Like, yeah,
come meet Aaron Donald four days from now.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
That'll be fun.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
And think about it. Like with with Flacco, he's Johnny
and iis biopic fell through and at this point he
already thought he would be you know, knee deep in
his Hollywood career, and since that never took off, he's
just looking to fill the void. And that's just being
in buildings and being around the guys, being in love.
Speaker 6 (37:37):
I will tell you I've mentioned poor but like in
the when we went to the Super Bowl in New
York and on you know that night, as we were
leaving were I think we're the last people to leave
that stadium, it started to snow and Greg had verbal
words with our taxi driver who tried to like get
gas in the middle of that trip, and overcharge us.
But the next day it was snowing pretty heavily and
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I was walking down the street Cider Hotel and Joe
Flacco like came out of a you know, swinging door,
and it was like like other quarterbacks that you just
think on the sideline look like average dudes. Like he
was a strapping, like handsome man. So he's ten times
cooler in person than you'd think just by looking at
him in a hoodie on the sideline. So we'll see.
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But him on the Browns makes no sense. No, but
him on the Browns makes no sense. Rights one of
the most jarring bizarre things that makes no like.
Speaker 5 (38:31):
I mean, it's almost as weird as Carson Wentz taking
snaps through the Rams on Sunday. They didn't let him
throw the ball, but they just watching him run out
onto the field. What if we saw I mean, I
do not want Matthew Stafford to get hurt or anything,
but maybe he has to go to the bathroom for
a second. We see a little Wentz versus Flacco in
twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
I know we should move on, but I don't know
how many more times we're gonna have a chance to
talk about Joe Flacco, super Bowl forty seven super Dome.
The Ravens have just pulled it off, and Joe Flacco
just won Super Bowl MVP after one of the greatest
postseason runs by any quarterback ever. It happened. Look it
up and Mark, you and I snuck on the field
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at the Superdome, was right before they did that thing
where you have to scan your badge to get onto
the field, and we kind of remember, we ducked through
these curtains because the Superdome, you know, it's kind of
a dump in some respects, and they didn't have a
they didn't have it secure, so we kind of snuck
through these curtains. Got on the field right after the
game with the confetti and the cannons and the celebrations
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all around us, and there's Joe Flacco and next to
him is one of his brothers, and Joe looks taps
his brother on the shoulder in like a quiet moment
during the celebration after they did the Riser stuff and
pointed out this beautiful two thousand and thirteen or twenty
fourteen Corvette that was given to him for being the
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Super Bowl MVP. And he goes, hey, that's my car.
Pretty cool. Let's be cool to be a quarterback and
have success. All right, let's move on. That's my car.
Speaker 5 (40:09):
Maybe the best half of football, it is my answer
for the first half of that game is the best
half I've ever seen any quarterback play in person.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Period. It's n even close. It's it was outrageous.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
So Garrett expected to play Sunday. DT are uncertain shack
loss and brutally frustrating a loss for the Bills on Sunday.
And imagine a loss like that, and then you're in
Philly with all those fans everywhere there and they're giving
you a hard time. He ends up lost in He
got caught on video in a confrontation with fans during
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that game, and you know, I actually didn't have a
chance to take a look at this, but he did
apologize and say he respects the game and he respects
his opponents. He was giving his side of the story
that before the game there was a fan behind our
making life threatening remarks towards us and our families. Whoever
you are, Bradley Cooper, you gotta cut that out, all right,
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this is just football. But anyway, there was lines that
shouldn't be crossed lost and said and they were and
you know, so obviously a very emotional situation, and he
shouldn't have used hands. But I could see it too.
Speaker 5 (41:23):
I have a feeling that the NFL will react strongly to
this because it's on video. If it wasn't on video,
which no one had heard about it until you know,
I'm gonna watch it, post it on Twitter. You know, no,
he wouldn't have gotten punished. But this is this is
the NFL's nightmare, as him getting right in his face,
right right in the front row as the game ended.
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I wonder if the fan came down even in further
or if he was there the whole time.
Speaker 4 (41:47):
Oh, it's an ugly scene.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I'm looking at it now. Did he bumped him?
Speaker 5 (41:51):
It looks like they were like in each other's face.
You can't really tell from that angle. Maybe there was
a little pushing, but thankful it didn't go further.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
By the way, that fan sucks whoever you are, you sucked, course, yeah,
of course, I mean it's a very it's a high
stress environment, an emotional game. You are there to watch
the game, not taunt the players and try to get
a reaction that you suck. Anyway, Alvin Kamara with Greg
set up this Salvin Kamara quote because the Saints are
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in very desperate straits right now. It doesn't seem like
anything on either side of the ball is particularly noteworthy.
But it's the offense especially that is in the crosshairs,
an offense that has been failing miserably in the red zone,
and everything is hard and the quarterback is not getting
it done, and neither is anyone else. Really, here's uh
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tell us about the Kamara words.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
Yeah, Well, Cabert has been an interesting person to listen
to this year because he's clearly just frustrated. I think
it's not too hard to read between the lines of
the leadership that you know, there's some liking of tweets
from Michael Thomas that would maybe indicate like they're not
thrilled with the quarterback either and the coach. But in
this case, I thought he very pointingly in a way
that you don't hear a coach or a player almost
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call out directly his head coach in terms of the
words that his head coach uses. And he did that
after the game on Sunday. Now, this clip is from
Nick Underhill site New Orleans Football but it's a special
edited clip from a guy on Twitter, Nola Flint at
e f l y n T, and he had a
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little fun cutting it up.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
Let's listen to it.
Speaker 10 (43:29):
Just I don't know if we need to find a
real fix, not just oh, we got to be better,
because that's you wanna be better every week. That's obvious. Right,
Let's let's get past that. We already know we got
to be better. How are we gonna get better? What
are we going to do to get better?
Speaker 1 (43:42):
One day? Laydell?
Speaker 9 (43:45):
Yeah, look, I mean does it need to be better? Yes,
you know I'd be the first one to stand up
here and tell you that it needs to be that
it needs to be better. And it really hadn't been
quite where we needed to be in the last couple
of years. So it's going to continue to be an
area that we'll that we'll address and try to work
on and try to be better at.
Speaker 5 (44:04):
I don't know if we could use all that, but
he literally said, I'm sick of hearing you say we
got to be better. Tell us how to be better?
How are we going to be better? This is a
man Kamara that was coached by Sean Payton, who I
think is very good on the details, the small details
of the game, and that's where the Saints are struggling
twenty ninth in the red zone, all sorts of penalties,
and he's like, give us some answers.
Speaker 4 (44:24):
We're not getting answers.
Speaker 6 (44:25):
I feel like the Saints, like this offseason kind of
made it clear outside of you know, attempting to try
to convince us that Derek Carr was going to help things,
that they were very content with winning eight to nine games,
and Dennis Allen was sort of like the signal in
the in the symbol of that, and like, I can't
imagine a team that could have more changes coming this offseason.
(44:48):
I could see a lot of transition.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Yeah, for sure. I mean we talked about it, we
did the what you people don't realize we are going
to see a lot of turnover in head coaches. We've
already now seen two go by the boards and we
just crossed Thanksgiving. There are gonna be you know, potentially
ten changes here by the time we get to January.
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It could be one of those real bloodbath years.
Speaker 5 (45:17):
NFC Southfield's like one coach survives basically, like whoever wins
the division, you keep your job. Maybe Arthur Smith could
keep it if you like when eight and nine and
didn't win the division. I don't know, but I don't
think that's the way it's gonna work.
Speaker 1 (45:29):
Imagine like having your dream job that you fought your
whole life for and it's coming down to whether Desmond
Ritter can get you across the finish line at eight
and nine. That sounds very stressful. That sounds like an
ulcer waiting to happen. Injury news, Well, no, let's let's
hit some Raiders news. They cut Marcus Peters, the veteran cornerback.
(45:49):
He had to pick six a couple weeks ago and
was playing for them, but they had a team meeting.
They had a meeting with him and he was due
I believe a million and a half in cent of
money if he played the rest of the season, and
I think that played a role in the decision to
part ways, as the Raiders obviously are not contending right now.
Roderick teamer, he gets a DUI on a game day,
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so he gets cut as well.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
Yeah, maybe Peters ends up with his old Ravens team.
They could use a corner back and.
Speaker 1 (46:23):
Then he would play like he was twenty six. Again,
I could see it. The Jags put left tackle Cam
Robinson on injured reserve. Dolphins left tackle Toront arms said
is week to week. We'll see where he comes down
health wise and anything on that.
Speaker 5 (46:38):
Boys, well, I feel like every couple of weeks we
have our like wow, toront Armstead. They're just not the
same without him. And Saints Fanson kind of mentioned like
this was their experience with him too. Great guy, but
almost never plays more than eight to ten games and
they really aren't the same offense without him. And that's
a big loss for the Jaguars too. They're starting left
tackle even though they have some good depth there.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
And finally, uh Joe Shane he uh came out and
did a press conference. He's the general manager of the
New York Giants, and he has said something that I
guess raised eyebrows. It did little a little bit less
for me, and we could talk about it. After listening
in on his words today, I think.
Speaker 11 (47:19):
We're gonna have to do something in the quarterback, whether
it's free agency or or the draft. I mean, just
where we are, Tyrod's contracts up, you know, Devido is
obviously on our contract, and Daniel you know, we don't
know when he's gonna be ready, So you know, just
from an off season program standpoint, you know, I think
that'll be a position that we'll We'll have to look again.
There's different avenues free agency or the draft, but we'll
(47:41):
have to address it at some point.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
It was also said by Shane that the expectation is
Daniel Daniel Jones will be the starter went healthy. But listen,
we've been doing this for a while. That's that's what
they They almost always say, and they that and that
allows you to kind of cover yourself and also, uh,
you don't have you don't get accused of lying because
in the moment you're saying the expectation is that he's
(48:03):
our starter. But then you go through an off season
where you check out what's in the free agency market,
the trade market, and the draft market, and it could
be very different. I'd be surprised, quite frankly, if the
Giants end up with a top five pick and don't
pull the trigger on a QB.
Speaker 6 (48:18):
I don't think you can go into next season if
you're Brian Dieble trying to sell Daniel Jones to the
fan base or to yourself. I think it's like, you know,
they came out of a year where he was the
most productive version of Daniel Jones and got the contract.
But it's like they're gonna be in position to draft someone.
(48:38):
There gonna be a number of quarterbacks that are available
via trade, and it's like he'll at least have intense
competition for the starting job because I'm not convinced he's
a reliable starter on any level.
Speaker 5 (48:49):
Well, their win, you know, we talked about it on Sunday,
was really potentially huge for their draft position. And then
the Bears winning tonight is another team. There's quite a
bit of separation now between the top three picks. Carolina
at one win obviously that's the Bears pick, and then
the Cardinals and Patriots at two wins. Everyone else, including
(49:10):
your Jets as four wins, so the Jets are even
in the mix for like a top five pick at
this point. There's a lot of teams, but there's a
operation there like Arizona and the Patriots, and then the
Bears are a pretty strong one two three right now
and they would all have to win multiple games to
fall out.
Speaker 1 (49:29):
Of that if the season ended today. I'm on the
Great Tankathon Dot com it would be top five would
be Chicago from Carolina, Arizona, New England, Chicago again, Washington.
I'll give you the top ten Giants at six, Tampa Bay, seven, Jets,
(49:49):
eight Chargers, nine, Tennessee ten where things stand right now.
Speaker 5 (49:53):
And yeah, picks four through ten, I'll have four wins,
So get excited.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
How about that, Greg? How about that that week eighteen
Jets at Patriots. That's a wild one because the Jets,
it's probably the Jets last chance to beat Bill beat
Bill Belichick, which they, outside of one miraculous playoff win,
could never do. And the Patriots need to lose that
game most likely. But they literally can't lose to the Jets.
(50:22):
They've been trying to lose to the Jets for a
couple of years now. They still can't.
Speaker 5 (50:25):
Right, they can't beat the Giants, no matter who who
they threw out there, and they can't lose to the Jets.
And and I thought, I just from you know, I
would have guessed that would have been one of those
fans that could actually root against, you know, the team
I grew up rooting for in a situation like this,
because I do know it would be better, I really
do want one of those quarterbacks that would get me excited.
(50:48):
But when it came down to I can't root against
the team when they're on the field against the Giants,
they still wanted them to win until the game's over.
And then you're like, especially the Giants, Yeah, especially the Giants,
but until the game's over, but really any of the games.
And then you're like, Okay, actually, now that that's a
half hour old, that's probably good that that actually happened.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
But how can you root against your own team?
Speaker 1 (51:06):
It doesn't. Can I just double back? Mark? I can't.
I came too strong there. I feel like the Daniel
Jones things maybe has a little more. God, they just
gave him this huge contract and the whole season was
a lost season. He gets hurt. Are they gonna bail
on him? I know there's only one year guaranteed money
left beyond this year. Yeah, also Dabel is Now if
(51:29):
Dabel really does like Jones, and I would imagine he
liked him a lot because he had to be fully
on board, you would imagine, or yeah.
Speaker 6 (51:36):
With no, I don't I don't think there's I don't
like it. First of all, like the kind of the
contract is what for they're tied to him for one
more year. I think it just depends what other opportunities
come up, like Brian Dable after this season. I mean,
assuming it just continues in the skittish fashion that it's
been in, Like you're coaching for your job next year,
Like do you tie your job to Daniel Jones? I
(51:57):
would not. I would he did.
Speaker 1 (52:00):
I mean what I'm saying is three months ago or
whatever he was perfectly comfortable with it, or four months
ago when they whenever the contract was handed out, at
did they did he lose the faith of the team
that quickly? I guess it's certainly, certainly. And maybe they're
trying to thread the needle Greggy. Maybe they're they're looking
at like the old, the old Chargers model, and it's like, well,
(52:20):
we got Drew Brees here, but let's draft Philip Rivers
and then if Drew Brees plays, well, we could trade
him and then give Phil. You know, maybe they're hoping
they can maybe Jones is still involved next year and
then they have a backup ready to roll either way.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (52:33):
Yeah, I think they want to be ready.
Speaker 5 (52:35):
I think they will absolutely get a quarterback if at
all possible. But if they have the sixth pick, are
they going to maybe trade picks up to get a quarterback? No,
Then having Dania Jones maybe changes that and we'll see
what veterans are available. But I always thought, as as
I usually do with quarterbacks and the Giants, that ownership
was involved, and in that contract, I think they were big.
(52:56):
They're big fans of Daniel Jones getting that thing over
the finish line. And and it's only one more year,
and this year could not have been any worse Dan.
I mean that if he had this year a year ago,
it's not like it would have been a decision, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 4 (53:09):
So, and he's coming off in ACL. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I'm not a huge Danny Dimes guy, And I always
thought it was a little weird that, like the last
four games in a playoff game before the Eagles loss,
that's really what got him paid when he got hot there,
I thought, more than anything else, it always seemed weird
that he got the deal. But I don't know they
got a big decision to make anything else, boys.
Speaker 6 (53:33):
Not particularly for me.
Speaker 4 (53:34):
Has the Christmas parade ended?
Speaker 1 (53:37):
Mark? Yeah? What did you get into your apartment? Mark?
Speaker 6 (53:41):
Eleven something eleven something like, you know.
Speaker 5 (53:45):
You could have like parked like a mile away and
then like walked or something like that. I could have
if he really needed to get back for some reason.
Speaker 4 (53:54):
Right.
Speaker 6 (53:56):
Right, But this was a disaster, So I am, what's up?
Speaker 1 (54:03):
Like, I don't know. I don't know this because I
don't produce, But could Mark have like jumped on on
his phone from the car if he's anyway, if you
really like cared?
Speaker 12 (54:11):
Yeah, no, I mean yeah, it's definitely a possibility. I
don't want to throw you under the bus, but I
think I want to say we had Bonetta on her
phone at one point in.
Speaker 4 (54:20):
The Friday last year to.
Speaker 1 (54:23):
Established but.
Speaker 12 (54:25):
I've been in the Hollywood area he signal out there.
It probably would have been a nightmare and it would
have just created a problem. So I will give him that.
So yeah, well it could have been done. Eric, Sorry,
sorry Mark, Thank you?
Speaker 9 (54:38):
Eric.
Speaker 6 (54:39):
Uh, we'll talk to you later. Have a nice night,
all right, everybody, have a nice night.
Speaker 1 (54:44):
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