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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're so big time we
can wear shorts to work.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes, I'm here in.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
The Chris Westling podcast studio with my partner Patrick Claybonn.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Who. Yeah, he is big time enough.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He's one of the only two people Eric Roberts has
ever seen wearing short.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
I'm shocked to hear that, yes, because honestly I'm not.
I don't see myself as big time now nor definitely
when I first came here for my interview, didn't wear
shorts on my interview, But in that first year coming
to work at three o'clock in the morning to do
news shifts, I who am I am?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I dressing up for the walls.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
That's fair, But now you got people getting in your grill.
I think it was Dave Shott, who's in the news
runs the news department, and in some way that the
talent there, Like I think I wore shorts once and
he yelled at me enough and he I've pretty yelled
at you too that I never did any.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
It wasn't yelling. I think that first interaction with Greg
Rosenthal taught him a lesson. You don't come at Greg's
and it maybe gave shot a little bit of a
lesson on how to deal with people in shorts.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well, it's a big show here, it's a pre super
Bowl week show, and I told you guys before the show,
it's just one of those days where you feel like
you're always playing playing catchups. I feel like I'm I'm
stuck in a one two count right now and I'm
just I'm just fouling the balls off and barely surviving.
So I hope we deliver what's going to be a
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really fun show and we're including you our listeners in
it because I asked on the old interwebs on Blue
Sky for some questions, and so we're going to have
a fun mail bag and then we're also going to
do our calls of the year, and we don't know
who's gonna win. Eric really took control of this process.
He's putting on his big boy pants and covering up
(01:52):
that those big leg tattoos, and I don't know what's.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
I went back and clicked through every recap show of
the season.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
My Wow.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Listen to at least the opening highlight for every game
of the year.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
So again, before you guys get mad and somebody thinks
that your team is being slighted. Listen to what Eric
just went through. He's already done the work to do
those calls every single week of the season. He went
back and listened to every single one of them. Your
team has not been slided, he grinded for this.
Speaker 5 (02:20):
Yeah, I had a list of like forty to start,
so we have to We can't. We can't be here
all day, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Okay, that means we will get to the questions that
you guys sent in again on Blue Sky after just
a quick couple items.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
They just want to throw out there. This is a
daily show.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
We want to keep everyone abreast of what's happening around
the league, and these are just quick hitters. I noticed
the Cowboys they extended their personnel chief, Will McLay. Nice
move for them. Actually makes me feel a little better
about what's going on in Dallas, as does the Eberflus
defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Things make sense pickup, I kinda I like that.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
Because mcclay's contract was coming up soon, there was some
question he's done a good job picking players along with
the Joneses. Of course, we hadn't mentioned on the show
that the Bengals found their new defensive coordinator it's Al Golden,
who just did a nice job at Notre Dame, had
previously been with the Bengals, and I believe when they
fired lou An Arumo, the buzz there was they're basically
going to hire this guy, so he's their coach. They
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are not going to have their tight end Eric All
for the entire twenty twenty five season, which is really disappointing.
He had a great rookie year. There were some complications
after his surgery.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And then I.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Saw some quotes down at Mobile the Parallel Universe of
the NFL right now that was from Andrew Berry, and
he said, we have no interest in trading Miles Garrett,
and you can even assume that we want to sign
Miles again to a contract in the coming days, in
the coming months. The fact that he said it so definitively,
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actually I took that as that's real news.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You feel like there's no subject future here and it's
all obvious.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
I think when you say on the record, we're planning
to sign him to a contract, and he almost put
a timeline on it, like it's going to happen this offseason,
even though he has two years left on his deal.
I feel like there's probably progress there, and he wouldn't
just say that to say that.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Maybe maybe I'm wrong. No, maybe I think that's good
news for you.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
It seems it seems obvious, and that's a good thing.
If people are going to do things that seem obviously
and fore gone. It's when things go the other way
they kind of get weird. Like signing a quarterback.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yes, that was a problem. They need to go find
a quarterback. Maybe they'll draft one of those quarterbacks in mobile.
We're going to talk about the Senior Bowl on our
laugh show of the week.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You'll hear that on Friday. I'm looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
And the only other item of news is really the
subject of our first skeet tweet. I like just calling
him tweets, so let's throw him up there. This one
is from Benoit's Smart Car. He asks, is the Saints'
job the worst one this year?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The worst one this decade? Funny phrasing. There.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
The news of the day, because yes, the Saints haven't
hired their head coach yet, is that Kellen Moore did
a second interview, And based on if you're reading between
the lines of the local reporting, it seems like he's
now the favorite to get that job, and they might
be waiting until the Super Bowl is over to give
the keys to Kellen Moore for the New Orleans Saints.
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What do you think about that and this question?
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Well, I think in terms of what's available right now,
and Kellen Moore is not the hot name that he
once was. Considering the other options one in particular, and
I've seen floated out there. I feel like Kellen Moore
would be better than a John Gruden or some categorical
failure in mistake.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Right, he never interviewed in the end, but it keeps
us being out there. Y yes, praise God.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
But ultimately, as far as the job, like the evaluating,
I really don't think it's that bad. If you think
that Loomis is, you know, has one foot out, if
Gail is starting to look sideways at him, like if
that's a particular thing, I don't know if it's that concern.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I'm looking back.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
If we're talking about worst jobs in the last decade,
Doug Peterson won a Super Bowl, he had all the cashit. Yeah,
he got fired. He got fired by the same team
that fired Andy Reid. Right he goes to Jacksonville, with
Trent Balky, and they consistently get worse as time goes on.
After that, that Urban fiasco where I'm looking at it
and saying like, how great of a position was dug in?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Interesting?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And yes, I think with the way the Jaguars have
got about this coaching search and they don't even have
a GM right now, like they don't seem like they
know what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
There was a couple of pre Demico coaching situations in Houston.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That was the first one that came to mind.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
I don't think this compares to either one of those.
I know we can do the cap Malfeason's thing and
talk about projecting things into the future, and I don't
necessarily think the cap prohibits you from being close. I mean,
the team had an opportunity in the division this year,
right it was in I think we have a referential
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question coming up later where we can get into specifics
on the twenty twenty four Saints. But this team was
devastated by injuries all across the board and as well
as coming in with Dennis Allen as your head coach
again in twenty twenty four, where I don't necessarily think
it's that bad of a job.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
I think it's one of the worst jobs of the decade.
I wouldn't say it'd be the worst. I would say
those Houston teams were the first one that popped to mind.
I think the girod Mayo, even though I was very
harsh on him, entered a pretty.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Difficult situation last year.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Drake may arriving made that a little better, but at
the time he got it, especially in the roster that
he had, and just the situation there that was pretty rough.
The Panthers pre Canalis, I mean just it's been a
rough It's been a rough road. But this Saints job
I think is uniquely bad because of the Mickey Loomis situation.
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It really seems like he is staying and I think
the way that he is run that team, it's just
time and he is running it in such a way
that he has as much power as almost anyone, and
I thought he might get pushed out. And you see
the different people that didn't want that job. Aaron Glenn
literally talked about at his press conference how much he
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wanted the Jets' job compared to the Saints. He was
in that building just five years ago, so he knows
exactly what's going on. I think that should be a
red flag to Gail Benson. Joe Brady was in that
building and the Saints were very interested in him. By
all reports, he decides to stay in Buffalo. So these
are two guys that knew the organization well. Ben Johnson
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was not in that building but worked with a lot
of people that were. Dan Campbell, He's hiring a guy
as his OC that was with Sean Payton in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (08:52):
There's a lot of connection there.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
He didn't want to go there, and I think Mickey
Loomis in New Orleans to me, is very similar to
the Trent Balki situation. And you can say that the
roster could be worse.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You're You're right. There are worse teams out there. For sure.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's not a tough division, but the quarterback situation is
is very tricky with what you're gonna do with Derek Carr.
Do you if you keep them another year, then it
kind of kicks the can down the road, and the
salary cap is a problem. I think at some point,
as much as I think it's been a little overblown,
like you're gonna have to bite.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
The bullet a little.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Bit and and start thinking about not just shooting for
seven or eight wins. So that's a tough situation. I
don't know if Kellen Moore is the guy to turn
it all around. I don't even know if they eat.
Like if you ask the average Eagles fan, like, they're
not super pumped on Kellen Moore. I mean, I know,
I mean, give it, give it a week and a half. Right,
we'll see that's fair. Let's go to the next question. Uh,
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this one is from Los G's Los G's, which it's
just like a familiar name. I feel like, uh, I
feel like we've we've crossed pass.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Here before it does it does feel familiar.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
Halfway through the decade, which players are locks for the
All Decade team? I love this question? He said Mahomes
is the first QB. Which QB would be second, Allen
or Lamar?
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Well?
Speaker 1 (10:12):
To answer the second question, first, it's clearly Lamar because
he has two First Team All Pros this decade and
probably two MVPs, So I think that's I think he's
got a probably a solid lead as the second team
quarterback right now. But we're only halfway through the decade
and Josh has a chance there it's not like a
huge gap. And Joe Burrow will be in that mix.
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Who knows Jayden Daniels might be in that mix.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, I fun fact.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
In looking into that question, I had to remind myself
that Tom Brady had twelve thousand passing yards since the
start of twenty twenty, which was crazy to me, but
like over like it wasn't even close, but.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Tom Brady was tom Brady with the Bucks was like incredible.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Anyways, it doesn't yeah, it doesn't make any sense, but
he's not gonna have the longevity in the decade. Yeah,
the first team really, I think the more interesting conversation
because we can beat Patrick and Josh I mean now
and Lamar to death. The running back discussion, oh with
like what Saquon's doing now? Yeah, Derreck Henry I think, Yeah,
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as that first team case, okay so far, but it's
it's gonna be a push. It's going to be a
push here towards the finish.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
It's a long way to go though, John Robinson, I
think could could have a chance in the long run.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
You got to get there.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
So I took the question very very literally, and this
was probably my favorite one I got because it speaks
to what I get into these Hall of Fame cases,
all this stuff. And I went and searched on Pro
Football Reference, and you can sort by approximate value, which
is just like a good way of like starts and awards.
And then I just figured, well, you probably have to
have one first team All Pro to even be considered
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halfway through the decade. So I sorted it by that,
And the question was, who are all decade locks only
halfway through? That is an extremely high bar to be
a lock halfway through. Why can't I say the word
lock normally? And I think I came up with with
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one total lock, and that's Miles Garrett. He has four
first Team All pros. I don't actually think there's a
case for anyone as better at what he's done.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
He's what I hear.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I hear the angry reprisal.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Okay, it's fair, good point.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
T J.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Watt has three first first team All Pro so he's
only one behind their approximate value. He was the highest
non quarterback. He was actually third overall according to Pro
Football Reference, behind Lamar and Patrick Mahomes, just in terms
of their little metric. But I just think four and
I think he's going to keep it going. To me,
he's he's the He's a lock. Just about the other
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two that popped up to me have a really good case.
Chris Jones is at three, and I think with what
he's done in the playoffs, even if it doesn't, you know,
we'll see how the rest of the decade goes man,
he'll be tough to keep off that. And then Fred
Warner is interesting. He's done first team All Pro four
out of five years now, so he's pretty up there.
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Those are the closest I found to locks. It's hard
to make a lock halfway through the decade because you
never know what's going to happen the next five years.
Even Mahomes isn't necessarily a lock. If some quarterback like
Alan or Jaden or Burrow just go absolutely crazy and
have the best stretch we've ever seen from a quarterback,
that's possible.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
But those are my locks.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Yeah, there's a long way to go.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
I kind of wondered towards the front end, right because
I was looking in to the Brady situation where because
Tom doesn't qualify, but the guys who retired in twenty nineteen,
I mean, excuse me, the guys who are set to
retire right now, who's got those five years to get
in and it comes it becomes a little tougher.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
It's one of the things that's annoying about the All
Decade Team, which I do like that there is just
a randomness to it that when your career, like if
you start at fifteen and end at twenty five, you
have a less likely chance to make the All Decade Team.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
And if you start at ten and then at twenty.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
So Kelsey, I guess are both Kelsey's out.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They have chances. I wrote them down as like guys
who would have have a chance. They both have a
couple All Pros. But Travis I think would have a
better chance. Certainly that he would be my pick at
tight end for the last five years. Okay so far,
but we got five more to go. Some other interesting names.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
TJ.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Watt, he's got three first team All Pros. Trent Williams,
you know he could get it done. Rokwan Smith has
three first team All Pros. I don't know if he
is he an All Decade guy.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
He might be.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It would the linebacker group would lean with heavy bias
towards guys in the middle and so like you may
get that positional mail. Yeah, one's right, We're like Roque
one's playing outside.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
And then some guys who I think have a chance.
JJ I think has a great chance. He has two
first team opros so far, but he's got this whole
rest of the decade to go. Tyreek and DeVante Adams
both have three, and so they're in that mix, but
they're kind of headed on the downslope. And then some
younger guys Tristan Wurf's Pine Sewell both have a couple early,
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so if they can start stacking up numbers. Jamar Chase
is another one. Aaron Donald, did you know pack in three?
Pretty great, That's what I'm saying. Yes, so fun question.
I like, I like thinking about that. And it's not
over at quarterback. You can always catch up to patri Bumps.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
You never know. All right, Let's go to the next one.
This is from the Red Shark.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It asks should the forty nine ers draft the quarterback
there next year or this year?
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Can they win a Super Bowl if they pay pretty Yes?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
I mean yes. Can they ruin a Super Bowl with
Rock Perty on the roster? Yes?
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Can the can they construct the roster in the way
that they need to. I think you have an advantage
when you get a player that's good in show success
early on that you don't necessarily have to play. I mean,
Rock Purdy was getting paid more in the supplemental bonus
in the play performance.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
Bonthent right, they already could have won the Super Bowl.
He played more than well enough. I think throughout that
playoff run to win a super Bowl. If their defense
played a little bit better, a few things happened, they
win a super Bowl.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
But I think right the way that we've seen these
quarterback contracts grow over the course of years, where the
percentage of the cap, I don't think you're going to
have to give him cap percentage money like Tua gat
or Trevor Win's got right, because it's just the way
that these contracts line up in the timing of which
who gets paid when they get paid. Yeah, you can
get a number that would look crazy a few years ago,
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but percentage of the cap wise, I don't necessarily think
it's going to do the damage word. It's like, oh god,
we got to play the quarter because like the guys
that got paid were we just saw them in the playoffs,
like these are the guys or you either were getting
paid or you were a highly selected draft pick. It's
these are the guys that it takes to win bron
Perty's earned payment in my opinion, And I know that
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there's a whole bunch of ass in on arguments. The
guy's gone out there and played well and it hasn't
been an abject disaster, So yeah, he deserves to be compensated.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, I don't want it to drag out all offseason.
I think the forty nine ers have made a mistake
handling it that way with so many of their stars.
But people get so fixated on can you possibly win
with a quarterback on your you know cap that big
last year that four or five of the teams that
had the highest dead cap in the entire league were
in the divisional round. And so that's not just like
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paying fifty fifty million dollars to a really good player.
The Rams, for instance, who I think had a really
good team last year. The Packers, who had had a
really good team last year. They're paying sixty seventy million
dollars in cap space to nobody, to Aaron Rodgers who
was off the team, to Aaron Donald, who was off
the team too, and they made it happen. Anyways, the
forty nine ers even this year, like it's so much
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of their cap was in Ayuk and Debo and McCaffrey
and those guys frankly weren't giving them that much this year.
Debo was mostly healthy and they were all smart investments
at the time. But like teams spend fifty million dollars
routinely in worse ways than an above average quarterback. So
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I think it's very possible. Does it get twelve percent harder?
Maybe it maybe becomes twelve percent harder to construct your team,
But I think it's people really overrate whatever that percentage is,
almost to the extent.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
That we overrate winning this one game a couple weeks
in determining like how good is a team? Yes, everybody
wants to win a super Bowl. It's great to win
a super Bowl. It would be great for Rock Party
had they been able to complete that pass where Chris
Jones got in his face and they win the Super Bowl.
But ultimately, in determining how good a team is and
how capable they are, it doesn't necessarily because balls not round.
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Randomness dictates a whole lot of this, Yes, you can
win with well.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
This leads perfectly into our next question from Stage eight
Final Boss. Shout out to the Blue Sky followers out there.
I mean, I don't love that they suddenly get way
more people because of events that are happening in the world.
But good questions here, and this one is directly related
to what you just talked about.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Patrick, I'll take it.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
What is that that Howie Roseman is doing that other
gms aren't. We've seen a miss on free agents, namely
last season, I mean missed on some of this season,
I mean Bryce Huff, But the cap situations that restrict
other teams never seem to bother the Eagles. Related to perty,
I think Jalen Hurts in this Eagles team is a
perfect example that you do not need your fifty million
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dollars quarterback to be one of the five best quarterbacks
in the league to construct a really talented team around
said quarterback. I've seen Jalen Hurts play better football than
he did this. They almost won a Super Bowl with
him playing net a ridiculously high level two years ago.
He has not played consistently at that level this year,
and yet front to back that they you know, these
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are the two best teams I think this year in
the league that happened to make the Super Bowl this year.
They deserved it. And so that's a great example. I'll
let you go first on what you think how he
is doing right Well.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
There's there's been key points where the rest of the
league failed right getting Saquon on this contract. Everybody should
have been in on this. This This wasn't any particular
genius level operation by Howie. This was a very good
player in the division that they had seen plenty of times,
and there was an opportunity to sign him at a
reduced rate because overall the league's circumstances prohibited running backs
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from being paid what they should.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Well, and the Eagles were as influential and that happening
as anyone, which is funny, and then they watched the
price get so low that they realize like, oh, actually
this would be great.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Yeah, spectacular move that that literally everybody should have made.
Sequon parklation have him on everybody's radar. But it's also
hitting on these high variance things where I don't know
draft circumstance. I think a conversation surrounding Jalen Carter made
it feel like that was a high variance thing, but
it was known going in right that this was one
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of the best players in the draft, if not the
best player in the draft, and he was going to
be there at eight. And so again I think that's
another situation where everybody else's evaluation, regardless of how you
feel about the situation, that the ability of the player. Right,
if people had known that the player was going to
demonstrate this level of ability on the football field, he
wouldn't have been there for the Eagles to take right.
So there's a couple of aspects there, and it's also
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getting out of things that aren't necessarily working because how
he has this, he has the success. He's not constantly
trying to save his job or keep his job, where
if there's a Hassan Reddic type situation, if there's a
Carson Wentz type situation, it just.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Not going to be on this team anymore next year.
They're just going to eat that as a mistake.
Speaker 3 (21:54):
Like how he recognizes that sunk cost is a logical
fallacy and just go if you can make a move
it and he has the cachet to be able to
do that because he's not constantly worried about his job.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yeah, and that that's key that they have a defined setup. Now,
it's not always that comfortable for coaches. I don't think
the coaches there are empowered. I think they kind of
view the coaches as temporary employees. They're a little fungible
to them. And that's just the way they do it.
And but they have been consistent with that's Jeffrey Lurry
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and their owner and Howie Roseman really run the team
in that manner and he trusts Howie to do so,
and it's consistent.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
I think probably the number one number.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
There's two things I think they do better than other
teams is that they sign their own guys who are
good early, like really early, like Jordan Mylatta. How many
contracts has Jordan Malatta had? Like they gave him a
second contract after he played like four games, They're like,
oh my god, what did we find and then they
gave him a third contract when it's just like, let's
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get two years out in run of this. And if
you look throughout the roster, like do you remember the
AJ Brown Devanta Smith contracts that they got this offseason?
Speaker 2 (23:07):
No, nobody does a J Brown.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
No one even knew that he wanted a new contract
because he was still two years away from it, but
they wanted to make sure Devanta got his, and then
they knew that might have played a certain way to
the guy who's actually the best wide receiver on the roster,
and they extended him, and so then of course aj
Brown wants his numbers. But I think he's a happier
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productive Eagle when he's not getting his numbers because he
feels like he was taking care of fairly. And you
can go up and down this roster. Josh Sweat is
actually another great example, paid early and often not a
super I'm not saying they've done this perfectly with everyone,
but I do think they do that more than other teams.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
And what that does is your window gets extended, right
because you're not having to worry about about these decisions
and all, so the price isn't going down like these.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
Guys, right, they usually get ahead of it and they
look good. Lane Johnson, like when when was the Lane
Johnson contract? Like problems, it never happens. They're always two
years ahead of it. And actually it's it's almost unfortunate
for their players, Like it's not unfortunate because they're happy
to get that money early. But like Lane Johnson never
totally maxes out as like the best right tackle in
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the league like you should moneyways, But anyways, that's a good.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, And we see the exact converse of that down
in Dallas, where it's like wait until the absolute last
minute and pay these players, which again I'm I'm grateful
if the player wants to take the risk and the
team wants to pay out a huge contract to Micah
or to Dak, yeah, I'm all for that. But if
you make somebody an offer that they would like to
have two years early, then you have the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
You don't have to wait.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And they take swings like Makai Beckton was a swing
and Huff was a swing too, like they miss on
plenty of the swings. Johan Dotson a little bit of
a miss on a swing. I think they been better
in general when you're talking about what teams could do
to copy them.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
They trade a lot.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
I think trades are an underrated part to just try
to improve your team, and some have really not worked
for them. It's I don't know that their hit rate
is like that much higher than other teams, but they
have a philosophy they stick to it, and the philosophy
is we will never stop signing and drafting linemen on
both sides, and they never stop it no matter what
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the year is.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
They're always just throwing in.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
And they've been so consistent with that over a ten
year period and it really has worked for them. Maybe
other teams can have a different philosophy, but like they
are really consistent with that. Let's go to our next one.
As we just shower the Eagles in love, now we're
going to go to one that I agreed with from
Kyle Bruno here saying, why doesn't anyone talk about the
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Dolphins having a long suffering fan base, longest playoff wind drought?
No way, which is that? Surprised me that since two
thousand and they have the longest one in the entire NFL.
Did not know that, And I didn't know the Commanders
had such a long one before this year too, and
that was really long. The Raiders are the second most,
second longest by the way, No Jets are third. No
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Super Bowl wins in seventy three, no AFC titles in
ninety two. The owner got the team doctor first round
pick for tampering. The QB is the face of concussions,
bad a lot of free agent signings. I don't know
why fans all want to be recognized as a team
that suffers the most pain, But you are right that
Dolphins kind of slide under the radar. The reason is
because it seems like it's fun to play in Miami
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and because they're always like a they're very often a
seven to nine win team. But I would kind of
agree with Dolphins fans who identify with that particular sort
of pain because they're always just mediocre to average and
they never win a playoff game. That actually is a
pretty good measure of like who's going through it the most,
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because a playoff win feels awesome, and it really in making.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
The playoffs is great. But when you make the.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Playoffs and you just go one and out and it's
it's like Skyler Thompson or it's or it's Tua in
the cold not being competitive, it it kind of just
feels like you really didn't belong there and you don't
have that good one playoff win can feel great. And
so I'm with you. I think that the Dolphins are
sneaky up there.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
I think one reason, right, because I think we've discussed
all of these things, not the particular playoff drought, right,
we saw that kind of shift with the Commander's run
this season, but ultimately in that division, as far as
bemoaned fan bases, people in New York are always going
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to get more attention for like whatever they got going on,
and so I think that that is that's a particular
reason that it doesn't get discussed now, Like throwing Tua
having a brain in there is kind of unfair.
Speaker 2 (27:48):
Yes, I wish I wouldn't read that out loud. I
was gonna kind of mentally say it that, but that's
my bad.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
The The interesting thing is Tyreek Hill doesn't count as
a bust free agent signing to me. I think the
Tyreek signing was great.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Great, it was great. That's the most.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Yeah, they did right with these trades, right because you
have to you have to make the pay to do
it feels like a free agency signing, uh there. Other
than that, it's tough to really think of like a
great free agency pickup that the Dolphins have had.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, they had that one year.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
They gave Mike Wallace and a couple other guys and
they were like the off season winners they've done that
quite a.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
Bit, one that is not necessarily sneaky bad. But people
forget that they they drafted Menca, they had Minca in.
Speaker 4 (28:35):
There, Mica.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
It is like a franchise stalwart in Pittsburgh where if
things go right at the end of his career could
be spectacular and they'll remember him as like a lifelong stealer.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
But this was a guy that you shipped out.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So yes, we should appreciate Finn's fan misery, and I
don't we talk about them as much as the other one.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
More than anything, I think they're in an underrated fan base.
I hope to see our friend Henry Hodson, the most
famous of all offense fans. They're very knowledgeable, very passionate,
and they've been going through it. Let's go to our
next one. Zach Joseph asked, all the final four teams
are top ten and running. Do you think it's going
to be a trend of great offenses emphasizing the run
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and how defenses will just I.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Think we've beuld going this way for a while.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
That's top ten and running depends what the metric is
you're looking at, because you know, winning teams run more
because they're ahead but I do think some of the
trends we talked about going into the year, more two
tight end looks, teams going heavier, they really have happened.
And you're seeing the best running backs now. We're seeing
kind of like the early Oughts when they were dominating fantasy.
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We had about five or six of those monster running
back seasons this year. There is something to it, and
I think you're seeing more creativity in the in the
running game. Like teams now don't just like run one thing,
they run seven things, and they run a couple of
them run it in insanely different ways. And now the
run game is almost like how the pass game, how
that evolution happened, where it's just you got to get
(30:03):
yourself a cool run game coordinator, like like Matt Lafleur.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Yeah, it's it's all cyclical, right.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
I don't think we're ever going to be done with
a fundamental aspect of football. Kind Of like that discussion
kind of seemed a little a little short sighted to
me a few years ago, where it's like, yeah.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Why why run the ball at all?
Speaker 3 (30:19):
It made me it made me think back to like
those early days watching football as a kid where it's like,
why don't they just run into people's backs three times?
You know, it seemed overly simplified, and so yeah, I'm
glad that, you know, because every coach comes in and
gets hired. Yeah, we want to be multiple, we want
to attack, and we say all these things. But yeah,
it's a fundamental aspect of the game. It's all going
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to be cyclical. We're going to see trends change over
the course of years, and you're going to want to
put If you have a guy that you're going to
give the ball twenty to twenty five times a game,
you're going to want them to be good.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
And these teams have good players at that spot.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
And I think there will be some teams that lean
into it even more. In terms of size, I think
it's notable that Phil Case are two of the bigger
teams out there. I know it's a little random that,
like these are the two teams that made the playoffs,
I mean, made the Super Bowl. But Phil Alvey is
a large team. Kansas City's a pretty big team actually
(31:14):
as well. Detroit's a large team. There are physically, you
do see some mismatch of just drafting size, and so
that might become a thing again. Our next question is
from one of my favorite longtime listeners, Eric in Utah.
Eric Utah, I guess we're calling him. He's got his
own podcast, by the way, the End Zone podcast.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Shout out to Eric eighteen. That's how we know him.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
On Blue Sky, he said, did Dan Campbell kill it
with Zoc Higher a Peyton disciple paired with the intermediate
receiving Kings of Sun God and Tim Patrick paired with
an elite game? Well, that just sounds to me like
the Lions are are elite paired with JMO taking the
top off. John Morton was a really surprising higher. I
was like, why is that name familiar? John Morton because
he's not an up and comer. He was an offensive
(31:58):
coordinator for one season in the NFL. It was with
the twenty seventeen Todd Bowles Jets, led by Josh McCown,
Robbie Chosen Anderson at the time, and Austin Seferian Jenkins,
so there not much was going on with that team,
although McCown played sneaky good.
Speaker 4 (32:15):
That was the best mccownce.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Yes, And you can't really blame more in there for
getting swept out like all of Todd Bowles's offensive coordinators
back then.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
He lasted exactly one year.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I don't know if that was all Todd's choice or not,
but I don't know if it's sneaky great. It was
very surprising because I think people thought they would be
doing this new cutting age guy on their own team
and they dip into somebody he's familiar with. But at
this point, Dan Campbell has completely earned my trust in
terms of his coaching tree and who he chooses. And
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he also chose Kelvin Shephard, a former Bills player who
was once traded one for one for Jerry Hughes and
was always in my mind as one of the worst
trade of that decade because Jerry Hughes was incredible for
the Bills. But Calvin Sheppard, now a defensive coordinator, I
bet he'll be great too. So I don't know if
you have any thoughts on John Morton and the Lions.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Well, I think right, because you get the Peyton tree, right,
which is Dan Campbell is a part of there's familiarity there.
I think a lot of the things we associate with
Ben Johnson were the things that we could see right,
because that's how our bias impacts, and we see a
team that's very aggressive. Dan Camill's gonna remain aggressive. I
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think the particular skill sets of the players lend to
those trick plays, right, Like I think I'm on Ross
Saint Brown is such a skilled receiver and Jared Goff
is such an accurate passer that it leads to those
hooking ladder opportunities to make those hooking ladder plays where
I feel like the Lions are still going to run
trick plays. I think that's still going to be an
integral part of the process. And Bears fans may be
(33:51):
disappointed when they's like, Ah, where's the razzle dazzle, because
it's the guys I think. I think that make you
able to do that, and so there may be a
fall off. But I still think the lines are going
to store plenty of points because they got the guys
that can score plenty of points.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah, And I do think they need to start adding
to that offensive line again, getting a little older, not
quite as good on the interior either. I'm going to
go speed round through a couple more of these. You
could throw it up or not, Eric, but we'll just
go through quickly. See him, Bailey asks what the home
run swing at QB you'd like to see the Steelers make.
There's really no home run swings out there other than Matthew.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Stafford, so that would be my yeah for the fence.
Speaker 6 (34:29):
That's it.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
We got one from N seven Thunder who asked should
they Texans give Stefan Diggs a new contract or let
them walk? I think it makes a lot of sense.
They know him, he knows them. It's difficult for Digs
that this is his free agent year coming off of
an injury. I think it's best in those situations, it's
good to maybe stay where you know.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
If they do not go that way, I have some
value options that oh, okay, great, we'll see j Shroud.
Darius Slayton is incredibly underrated. He's been imprisoned in New
York in the same way that Saquon Barkley has. I
think Nick Westbrook could Keane would be a nice value
signing in the division. Dimmie Brown is coming up on
free agents. I don't know if the Commanders are going
to let him go, and sneakily m VS, also set
(35:09):
to be a free agent, also made a nice run
towards the end.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
You can bring Deontay Johnson.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
Back, Well, we got.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
One asking wanting some fantasy takes.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Who's a hot Dynasty trade based on coaching coordinator movement?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
I think the Bears, you know, Caleb and Rome a
good time to buy Drake May, c J. Stroud, by Low,
Drake London.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Like whatever whatever price Bajon is, he would be my
number one overall.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Like Dynasty.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
Yeah, but nobody's letting go of Jon or Tremiir Gibbs
right now. If you want to, if you want to
vite vibe, check your league, see what the the Bryce
Young value is at that people may be holding in
that situation. It all just depends on who's on your
roster and who you're able to get. But I'm with
Greg buy Low on CJ all.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
Day and our friend Jackson Bevans, who does the Cigar
Thoughts podcast but also writes a great column Cigar Thoughts
to ask about Kubiak in Seattle and whether last year
New Orleans was on the injuries.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Kubiak's actually had a lot of chance. He's actually has
looked pretty solid throughout, like he seems like he's not
gonna hurt you.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
About Gino Smith in a system like I want Gino
to be able to make a lot of decisions, and
usually that's a system where you're just kind of, you know,
doing ABC. But I hope they can marry the system
to make Gino like as Geno as possible.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Well, if anybody can take an ABC system and add
a D, there we go and an E, it's Eugene
Cyril Smith.
Speaker 4 (36:44):
I do.
Speaker 3 (36:45):
Because again, the Saints had the most unique offensive line
combinations this season. Ten different offensive lineman had fifty or
more snaps. So it wasn't just the injuries to those
skill guys, because you know the are garfriend had mentioned
the skill guys, Jackson, Yeah, it's there was a lot
that went in New Orleans, including having the head coach
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that did at the start of the season.
Speaker 7 (37:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
The fact that they were all kind of in sync
at the beginning of the year when they were healthy
was a pretty good, pretty good sign. So I'm excited
for that. Let's take a quick break. We're going to
do the calls of the year right after.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
This back on NFL Daily. It's all been leading to this.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
One man put together the most thorough and researched and
excellent candidates for Calls of the year it's ever been,
and two men are going to sit here in the
Chris Westling Podcast and decide what is the call of
the Year.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
I think that's the format.
Speaker 4 (37:59):
Yeah, we'll do it. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
I don't think there's a reason to muddy this up.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Guys.
Speaker 5 (38:03):
Okay, just listen, have some fun, look back, think about Hey,
remember when the coldest off very much?
Speaker 1 (38:10):
Remember when this is. This is as I said on
the show with Mina and Colleen and Jordan when we
were talking about the tiny table results, we were talking
about the over unders. I feel like this is kind
of closed the Circle week, like all the things we
threw out there at the beginning of the year. We
also have our All Pro team coming up. We closed
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the circle here. We we finished this season before moving
on to the off season. We're gonna group this in
different categories. In the first category is just like that
was fun, remember that, Like, this is a fun category
of plays.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Let's go back to Week one to start.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
Five and a half minutes to go, first quarter A
Naples trails three to nothing, but they've got it now.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
A first in ten on the round forty Richardson on
play action backs to throw.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
He slips on the turf, so peech a downfield looking
for Aleck Pierce.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
He's done.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
My bomb sixty yards Anthony Richardson to Alck Pierce.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
That's what you're.
Speaker 9 (39:13):
Talking about in the deep game touchdown.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
D Why Oh, I love it, Matt Taylor on w
f N. I Rick fan Terry there in the booth.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
Remember when I was trying to do Throw of the
Year and then I just sort of forgot about it
halfway through.
Speaker 2 (39:30):
It's because that was the first one and I knew nothing,
know On was gonna beat it.
Speaker 3 (39:33):
Yeah, every throw, every deep throw. I think bo Nicks
had the one late in the season.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
I was pretty sweet.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
That was.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
But in terms of the total play, I think the
call was was as good as good as the throw.
Oh just the exclamation point of after Pierce catches the
ball and goes in the end zone a bomb.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
I think that was great, great execution. I love the play,
love the call, I.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
Love that analysis by you. And this is a real,
a real pro with the pipes here Patrick. That throw
one of the best throws of all time. It's not
a it's not even a joke. It really is better
than PJ.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
Walker. PJ. Walkers is up there.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
You're talking about those are two of those are two
of the best throws of all time. It's it's okay, guys,
like it doesn't have to win a Super Bowl to
be one of the best throws of all time.
Speaker 2 (40:22):
It really was. Uh, that's a strong candidate.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and say like, that's
in the that's in the small circle of real contenders,
although I'll probably say that after every single one because
I'll get excited at new Let's go to week eleven
and let's go to Nashville.
Speaker 7 (40:38):
Let us in the shotgun six men said to rush.
Let us Remy Senzo firing deep down field for Westbrook
at Key's got it forty forty thirty twenty.
Speaker 9 (40:56):
Ten fun inZone.
Speaker 10 (41:00):
Touch shot tightens the longest touchdot pass of the year
in the National Football League just went ninety eight years.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Oh, Mike Keith the Best wg f X sad news
that Mike Keith is moving on to Tennessee the Volunteers
away from the.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Titans, and so that means this may be our last
chance to hear Mike Keith on this particular podcast.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
And that is sad, but it's it was a.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Bad play by the Viking Stephens in an absolutely hopeless
game where the Titans have done nothing. It was sixteen
to three at that point, and just bad coverage leads
to that ninety eight yard n WI touchdown. So the play,
the call better than the play.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
I mean the call, it's the yards, it's it's just
Mike Keith's voice and the way he rolls that yards.
That's another strong contender. Inner Circle. Let's go to week thirteen.
I know it was tough probably for Eric to pick
only one Bill's played, not that you had to limit
it to one per team, But I'm looking at the
sheet and I see that's kind of what you did.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
This is this is the Bill's snow lateral Josh Allen
Week thirteen, first wee.
Speaker 8 (42:16):
Goal from the seven, Alan under center takes a snab
quick hitter thrown.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Behind but somehow caught and now lateral to Alan entreating.
Speaker 9 (42:25):
For the pylon.
Speaker 11 (42:26):
Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4 (42:27):
It's a touchdown?
Speaker 10 (42:31):
Unbelievable on catch by Amari Cooper, a lateral to Josh
Allen and he rubs the remaining five yards for the score.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
Have you ever seen that one before? A great job
by Chris Brown on wg R. What did he say there?
Can you believe like a good a well time? Can
you believe it?
Speaker 4 (42:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (42:54):
Always hits.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
And also it contextualize the fact because looking back, if
we remember the Lamari pitch the ball to Josh, when
you hear the call, you remember Amara had almost no
business catching that ball. Yes, in the first place, it
was thrown a full yard behind him on the slant
and he reaches back and catches it with one hand.
And then Josh's you know, call him for an insane
play to be made, because that's Josh and that's why
we love him. And and yeah, the call fits.
Speaker 5 (43:16):
That great memories also probably the seed for all his
little lateral thoughts and plays coming down the home stretch.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
See the Amari Cooper trade was worth it. I remember
that one time. It worked. Sorry, no one got my
little little job there. It was no it was mean.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
It wasn't mean mean. It worked out.
Speaker 2 (43:34):
It worked out.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
Just just forgiving us that memory memory. I hope you
remember the good times of that Bill's season. There were
there was some few dudes.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
I had a fun time. There was fun ones.
Speaker 1 (43:42):
Let's go to week four, Uh, it's Ben Johnson, it's
Jared Goff.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
It's a trick play.
Speaker 12 (43:49):
Second and goal for the Lions from the seventh golf
out of the gun.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Montgomery was right, Jared leans in, there's the snap.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Jared on the end a round gets it to Law.
Speaker 2 (44:00):
He's gonna throw it to Jared.
Speaker 4 (44:05):
Jared maybe on.
Speaker 13 (44:07):
The receiving end of a pass from Robin Rock Take Brown, Oh,
Bet Jonson, I see you too.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
That is beautiful stuff.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
That is Sunday Night match. Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
Dan Miller, last year's winner of the Call of the
Year w x Y T Lomas Brown. Dan Miller, I
feel like has been as much a part of the
Sunday Night recaps as anyone.
Speaker 3 (44:33):
Yeah, because the team scores on stop points and it's
hard to pick even the hard to pick a trick play,
but that one in a score fest where you get
the energy of the game. In the historical matchup between
these Seahawks and Lions teams we've had these past few years.
Speaker 5 (44:47):
There was a couple of boots where it was hard
to like whittle it down to one. I mean, we'll
have a little section later, but like some of these
booths are just great at what they do.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
They absolutely are.
Speaker 1 (44:56):
One of those boosts is Paul Allen and Kfa n
in soda. I'm curious which which one you picked here?
This is This is from week sixteen, first and ten from.
Speaker 14 (45:06):
The thirty nine three Kicky to go four to fourth ward,
Sam steps.
Speaker 10 (45:11):
Up, Sam Broz, Jefferson Town.
Speaker 14 (45:20):
On the fan, find some moneymaker justin Jefferson.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
Oh that's a great option right there.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
And I see what you did here, Eric, You're kind
of picking some great play plays that live up to
the calls. And I like that because we're we're going
down memory lane and remembering some of the best moments
of this entire season. I would say that that was
the peak of the Vikings season, but no, the next
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week they put it on the Packers right and they
went up even another level. But that was pretty exciting
back and forth. That was the comeback with in Seattle.
They were actually down for at that moment, and I.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
Think it would stand some people to because we can
all remember how it fell apart at the end. But
Sam Darnold time and time again when they were placed
to be made late in games or for a stretch
there this season, he was making them like we can't
take those away, all right.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
Our next category of plays are from gentlemen who were
on the program this year, and in no way do
they get any favoritism. They're on the program because they
do the damn thing facts in the first place.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
Week one, Matt Money Smith to throw man has.
Speaker 14 (46:37):
Him on the cross or it's McCaughey shuffle, shuffle, lever down,
Oh Lad, ten yards toss. He broke two sets of
ankles on that touchdown. Grab What a play for the rookie.
Speaker 15 (46:54):
He hit the brakes, watch the plane fly right by,
and then another plane.
Speaker 2 (46:58):
Flew by and he skipped into the end zone.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
To Paul of Maverick, Oh dang, that's another strong one.
I mean we got we got some real options here,
because that's a call you can't plan. I mean, that
is all off the dome. It's the partnership between Money
and DJ. I have to admit they have.
Speaker 4 (47:20):
They have good chemistry and it led to the creation.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
We saw Lad literally flying a plane in celebration later
on in the season. Like that moment, just a moment
where Bunny and and DJ are looking up at planes
coming down landing at Lax. We have the shuffle in
there because they're playing against the Raiders, right, so so
money makes the shuffle call there.
Speaker 1 (47:41):
It's just, of course, that's pretty perfect. That's going to
be tough to be. Let's go to week eate our
friend Andrew Ciciliano. This was in the aftermath of a
of a tough loss for them. Tim Donovan, the longtime
Browns play by play guy.
Speaker 11 (47:58):
If you're the Cleveland Browns, one play to get a
juge emotional wish you.
Speaker 4 (48:05):
Got it to think.
Speaker 16 (48:06):
Twenty four yards.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Let's go three seconds.
Speaker 16 (48:08):
This is it for the wind makes some noise.
Speaker 17 (48:11):
We're average.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
You can hear the sounds about our voice right now.
Speaker 4 (48:15):
Twenty four yard.
Speaker 15 (48:16):
Line shun gun rounds up twenty nine, twenty four. Lamar
Jackson has the football grounds rushing for Lamar flushed out,
Lamar chase by zcenarios.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Lamark Jackson are points scenarios.
Speaker 15 (48:27):
He's gotta throwing, directing traffic, pump fake now throwing end
zone god quarter o.
Speaker 2 (48:34):
Good cook. The Crowns win.
Speaker 9 (48:43):
Twenty nine, twenty four.
Speaker 13 (48:50):
You just do it, you do it, you felt it.
So many things happening this game, they're unexplainable. Let it
all ended up to a brown win. Miss once for
you teknam.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
M getting a little misty here in the studio. Awesome
job by Andrew and Nathan Sigurra, and a reminder of
something I try to keep in mind and voice on
this show, which is that, like one game can be
pretty special. I know this was a miserable brown season,
and yet I don't think that takes away from anything
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of the emotion of that win that was in that
booth and the connection they had with Jim Donovan in
the city and what an exciting just day of football
that was against the team they hate the most in
the world.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Too.
Speaker 1 (49:35):
It helps a little extra beating the Ravens that they
What a great call by Andrew and Nathan Zigurra, and.
Speaker 3 (49:41):
Not just culminating the cultural context of the week and
the loss of Jim right, but the fact that the
game had built up to that point.
Speaker 4 (49:48):
Yeah, Andrew highlighting so many.
Speaker 3 (49:50):
Things that took place that didn't necessarily make any sense
on a bad Browns team against the Ravens team that
will ultimately contend in the playoffs, where yeah, sometimes all
that stuff doesn't matter and on a Sunday magic can happen.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
I should appreciate.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Yeah, it was that was awesome. Let's go to a
guy who's who's on the mount rushmore of cause of
the year. I think he was a runner up last year.
Why are we even making runners up? Let's go Tyler
Higbee week sixteen. His return to tight end.
Speaker 16 (50:19):
Set with the strength to the ride of Matthew Stafford,
who's under center from that right side hookah in motion
play fake roll right, Stafford's pros caught Bye Higbee at
the ten, big Rig Higgs to the goal line.
Speaker 9 (50:29):
Touchdown, Tyler Higbee, welcome back, big Rig Pig touchdown.
Speaker 14 (50:40):
LA.
Speaker 2 (50:42):
I love it. JB.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Long, of course I forgot to say his name leading
into There were so many fun JB. Long calls throughout
the season on ksp N.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
Yeah you feel the excitement. Of course we got another.
We got some other plays coming up against the chest.
But yeah, to see to have a player come back
and to hear that in JB's voice and have him
get in the end zone, it's it comes through, It
comes through.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
Good job too.
Speaker 1 (51:07):
I was wrong saying that everyone only got one bite
at the apple this year, because our next section is
defense matters too. Only a couple of defensive plays in
this show, and one of them was by our guy.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
Andrew Van Ginkel back in week one, and.
Speaker 11 (51:25):
Here comes Daniel Jones twelve to twenty two for one
hundred and eleven yards victually twenty one to six. Jones
touchdowns go fourth touchdown in and Grew ben Ginkle's career,
and he read Daniel Jones like a book in that
book had a happy ending.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
That's a strong one.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
Both of Paul's entries this year were absolutely fantastic.
Speaker 3 (51:54):
That's my favorite of the two at the very least
if we're doing a Paul Allen Brackett because to get
to that stat with the quickness of Andrew Van Ginkles's
career returns for a touchdown right there, to add the
reading like a book, it.
Speaker 4 (52:09):
Was just a great call. That was.
Speaker 2 (52:13):
Let's go to another pick six. This was a thick
pick and this is k I r O Steve Rabel.
Speaker 4 (52:21):
Third down and seven from the Seattle nine. Glitch is
coming throw.
Speaker 2 (52:25):
Inside hits pick off. Leo Williams coming near side.
Speaker 8 (52:28):
He's running like a racehorse on midfield, turns up field
that blockers, Holy smokes, are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (52:35):
Leo Williams.
Speaker 8 (52:36):
He's gonna take it in for a touchdown. Seahawks. The
Seahawks mess up a kick return. They dump it on
the defense and Leo Williams says, I got you covered,
picks it off as he drops back into coverage, comes
up the near sidelines in front of the bench, picks
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up blockers, and takes it all the way in for
a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
Are you kidding me? Great job there. They were going
in to go up twenty eight to seven the Jets
in that game that Leo Williams play turn the game
around to a big play in that game, And I
love how the voice cracked.
Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yeah, the legitimate excitement, and that's what we want. Don't
fake it.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
Let's go to the Wolfly Brothers. I mean, I didn't
even realize until this year that they were brothers. I
guess I should have known. Uh, Craig and Ron. Ron's
in Pittsburgh. Let's start there. Both these calls, by the way,
are from week ten. Let's just play him back to
back the wolf on wolf.
Speaker 16 (53:38):
Say, break the huddle. Mike Williams comes to the left,
three receivers split to the right, Warnt to the left
of Wilson in the shotgun. Wilson settles back, raises the
foot gets the snap back to pass looking could have
floated up left for Williams and why.
Speaker 2 (53:56):
In the end zone? Want to throw? Want to catch?
Speaker 8 (54:00):
Mike Williams did his first game in a Steelers uniform,
has holed in a thirty two yard touchdown strike from
Russell Wilson.
Speaker 17 (54:09):
Oh, he threw that ball wan Dang doodle down the sidelines.
I don't think I've ever seen anything like this. First target,
first catch could be a game winner. Carrier unbelievable.
Speaker 16 (54:21):
Snapped to Murray, drop straight back, a fade right corner,
the ends on Harrison.
Speaker 2 (54:25):
Cole on a catch with one hand for a touchdown.
Harvin Harrison Junior holds it in with his right arm.
Speaker 8 (54:32):
Just a gorgeous drop in the bucket by Murray.
Speaker 6 (54:36):
Spin the pig Kyler, spinens drop in sud dimes the
drops into the buckets right over the shoulder.
Speaker 4 (54:48):
Marvin Harrison Junior.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
Spin that peg Kyler. I can't it hurts. I think
there was a haiku in there that was amazing.
Speaker 1 (54:58):
That's Ron Wolflee, by the way, and we should mention
their play by play, guys.
Speaker 2 (55:02):
Ron is the one in Arizona. I misspoke.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
Dave pash is the play by play k MVP and
yes in Pittsburgh it's Rob King who's the play by playgate,
and then Ron Craig Wolfley rather jumps in for the
Wang Dang do it all just wouldn't be the same
on Sundays without the Wolfly brus And finally, it's a
couple plays that we've played on this show a couple
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times because we just had on our guest Bram Weinstein
last week, and yet we've talked about a lot in
this show. I think the Commanders were kind of the
team this year. I don't know they were, just they
were just part of so many of the best moments
of the season. Let's listen to Bram and London Fletcher
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in the divisional round.
Speaker 12 (55:49):
Snapped the golf steps off good pocket through a little
bit Jeremy Chiz.
Speaker 2 (55:54):
Got it, gets it celebrate like going to the NFF
Championship game.
Speaker 4 (56:03):
This is the Motown, the home of Motown. To tonight
they'll be playing the pool Baby. I think I'm could
hear them tap it up in the there's a call.
Speaker 5 (56:17):
I think it might have been the Monday Night winner
against the Bengals, where I think Bram mentions that London
Fletcher punched him. Like he says, I just got punched
in the booth and like I said, that's another booth
where I had like seven Yeah, I love the trash
talk too.
Speaker 1 (56:33):
Immediately by London Fledger, that's an ex player thing that
he like that he's immediately sticking in the lion's face
a little bit. Bram does such a good job covering
the team and making you just enthusiastic by listening to
him that after talking to him, I flipped my pick
to the commanders last week and now I'm mad at
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Bram about that. So to feel better, let's listen to Yeah,
we gotta listen to the Hail Mary before we get
out of here.
Speaker 4 (57:00):
There's an eight deep form with the goal line. They
bring three. Davie's backing up.
Speaker 12 (57:06):
He's just gonna have the one fly goes to the
right side, steps away, well, defenders gives themselves some time
now steps up, fires heads towards the end zone.
Speaker 6 (57:18):
It is.
Speaker 2 (57:41):
Now, that's it.
Speaker 3 (57:44):
That's why we do this, to to have that moment
culminate where you can hear the booth absolutely losing it.
I think that's what great about all of Bram's calls
is the way he accelerates into the touchdown Washington and
you can feel it, and fans will always remember this
twenty twenty four season. They ultimately didn't get the ending
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result that they started to believe, but right there in
those moments is why you believe. It's why we do
all those things, and that's that one's tough to beat.
Speaker 2 (58:13):
Greg it is, and yet I don't I don't like.
I don't like having to choose one.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Maybe in future years, like we'll have a bracket or something,
but it just feels like a slight to say anything
is beating that moment with Andrew Ciciliano and Nathan Zigura
that that was incredible, The Maconkey one by Money and
DJ like, I loved it, The Higbee one coming out
like the Paul Allen van Ginkel, the Hail Mary is
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gonna stick with me. The Richardson throw I think you
were really well said on that the play call was
as good as the throw, and so I hope no
one gets mad here, Okay, but I'm gonna give it
to Mike Keith and his Week eleven call. And it's
partly for that call, which was outstanding, and it's partly
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for the years of enjoyment that Mike Keith has given
listeners in Nashville and hopefully on the Around the NFL
podcast and on this podcast. And Mike Keith, to me,
he's the man. And since we won't get to hear
him anymore, I guess I'm giving it. I'm giving it
to Mike Keith.
Speaker 3 (59:24):
It makes perfect sense a team that for some reason
still wears those Oilers uniforms that instead of sticking into
their identity in Nashville, and Mike Keith is that to me?
Speaker 4 (59:36):
So he deserves honor.
Speaker 3 (59:37):
I think, like in terms of technical and execution and
summarizing things. Paul Allen, Oh, okay, we're given you know,
franchise voice cornerstones, their flowers. I'd give it to him
for Van Ginkel reading Daniel Jones like a book.
Speaker 4 (59:51):
Love it.
Speaker 1 (59:51):
And yes, I think that Hail Mary call will live forever.
Which is that's better than any award.
Speaker 3 (59:58):
The touchdown of lesson ten second Terry McLaurin to win
the game. Uh, that would be a great brand call.
You could legitimately have your own brand once once, Don Bracket.
Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I think that that Ceciliano call is going to live
in the hearts and minds of a lot of Browns
fans forever and spend that pig is gonna do it
for me as well. Let's get out of here. We'll
be back on Friday. I'm gonna have my friends Adam
and Ryan from the Saints Block Party podcast. They've been
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boots on the ground in Senior Bowl this week. Like,
oh yeah, NFL Network got Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis.
Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
We got Adam and.
Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Ryan coming on the show to recap the week at
the Senior Bowl. Looking forward to that, and yeah, let's
let's end this with a little Mike Keith when when
we're saying goodbye to a legend, you know.
Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
Football is back. Let us in the shotgun.
Speaker 7 (01:00:54):
Six men sent to Ruge Levis Ruby send zoneing deep
downfield for Westbrook at.
Speaker 10 (01:01:01):
Teen days, got it forty fifty, forty thirty, twenty ten
five INDs of touchdown Titans, the longest touchdown pass of
the year in the National Football League just went ninety
eight years