Quarterback Island: Who are the 10 Defining QBs in the NFL?

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by Jourdan Rodrigue, Colleen Wolfe and Steve Wyche for the latest installment of Quarterback Island! Find out which ten quarterbacks are defining the position in the NFL in 2025. Will Patrick Mahomes (07:28), Brock Purdy (14:30), Jalen Hurts (16:10), Baker Mayfield (21:10), Jared Goff (27:20), Justin Herbert (31:00), Caleb Williams (34:50), Bo Nix (37:30), Daniel Jones (41:30), or Jordan Love (47:00) get a spot on the Island? Listen to find out!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Twelve of the NFL's finest quarterbacks have left the comfort
of their stadiums and luxury suites for the adventure of
a lifetime. These grid Iron heroes are used to leading
their teams on the field, but can they outplay, outlast,
and outthrow each other in the ultimate survival challenge? You
ain't everything you have in the Gobae taught you, man,
we find a way to win them.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
No matter what.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
The stakes are high and the competition is fierce, only
one can claim the title of the ultimate survivor. Who
will rise to the top and who will be sacked?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
They wrote me off.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
I ain't right back, though, that's the problem.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I'm right back.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Let's go.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
This is Quarterback Island.

Speaker 4 (00:40):
Yeah, Quarterback Island, Season two, episode three.

Speaker 5 (00:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Thank you to R.

Speaker 4 (00:49):
Randy Chavez, our former producer, for that outstanding open. One
of my favorite days of the year is when we
can get these four people do it together, especially at
this point of the season when things get a little tough,
little murky.

Speaker 5 (01:06):
Yes, the people have been asking for it. Where's Quarterback Island?
When's Quarterback Island? It's today?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, it's interesting because that's what we're see in. Is
it truly now a quarterback driven league? Or is it
a tight end driven league or a defense driven?

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Oh? Please, it's always a quarterback driven league.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
I don't know. Some of those guys impacting the quarterbacks
might have a saying.

Speaker 4 (01:25):
The voice you hear, of course, is the man Steve Weiss,
the captain of NFL Network.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
I like to think of him of all the my captain.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
That's Jordan Rodrigue, co executive producer of Quarterback Island, an originator.
And Colleen Wolf.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Of course she's.

Speaker 6 (01:46):
Here too, the person snutting sail with captain. I guess I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
Aboard in the Colleen's here too, so she'll try to
keep Jalen Hurts on at some point it'll be fun ly.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
No, oh okay, So here here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (02:03):
If you haven't listened to quarterbacks, Oh all right, before
we decide, who are the quarterbacks that are defining the
position this season as of yet? And we left twelve
quarterbacks on the island when we last talked, and so
I will mention who the quarterbacks on the island were

(02:24):
way back in week six or so when we last
did this. It's Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Jared Goff, Dak Prescott, Baker, Mayfield,
Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, Drake May, Matthew Stafford, Daniel Jones,
Lamar Jackson, and Jalen Hurts.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
How smart did we look. That's a hell of a
twelve right now.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
We could have come tough, We could have come back
like a week or two ago, and yet everyone was
just playing so well. It didn't almost feel like there
was as much to talk about. The guys who were
voted on to the island, for instance, last time around,
Donald May, Stafford and Daniel Jones. You know, when we
did our half season MVP, we're talking about all those guys.

(03:06):
So this will be a very interesting show. And I
will start it just by announcing that not as many
people are staying on the island.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
That's fair, that's fair.

Speaker 6 (03:19):
I knew it shrinking the number of people of the island.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
We had a new rink.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
I mean, you guys were literally here a year ago
when we did it. In the exact same time period,
the island shrinks.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
It does global warming exactly, the erosion.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
People are leaving because they can't afford the HOA and
the insurance cost.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Shout out to the Santa Monica cliffs, you know, hanging strong,
But it's just like they're a little smaller water. Every year,
the beach is getting a little smaller.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
So my spiny sense was going it was this around
this time last year where Greg unilaterally decided to shrink
the island. It was the right move. This is also
the right move. But I knew it. I knew it.
You hit it so well. I kept saying, I know
you've got something coming.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (04:07):
I thought of going from twelve all the way down
to eight, but then that felt a little dramatic. Crazy,
it'll be it'll be down to ten and so we
we will decide who gets kicked off out of the
islanders now. And if anyone knew, we'll be coming on
today mortgage and there is there is one little extra
thing oat. It's more of a clarification for me. Jordan

(04:30):
explain to the listeners what a rip chord is, because honestly,
I couldn't quite remember. Is it taking someone off or
putting someone on?

Speaker 5 (04:41):
Yes, once again, it is called a riptide, the.

Speaker 3 (04:44):
Ripcord when you jump out of an airplane with this.

Speaker 7 (04:47):
I remember, everyone remembers Greg.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Eric did not collect correct me this morning when I
brought this up.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
Okay, So what is a rip riptide is a person
can unilaterally use one riptide per season of Quarterback Island
to pull someone off the island without a vote, and
they have to they have to they have to be.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
Off interesting, yes, okay, and just taking away. It's taking away.
The group would have to decide who comes on. But
the person who uses the rip tide rip it off,
washes away off the island, opens the parachute.

Speaker 8 (05:29):
Yeah, like if you're skydiving into the island, you know
what a riptide is. It's when you're suddenly just vexed
floating away parallel.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
To Yes, I felt that once out in Hawaii. Yeah,
they're not. They're no joke.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
They're no joke.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Listen to those lifeguards when they see you can't remember.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Let's talk usually I talk about at the at the
very top of the show, just to you know, we've
got to move along here. We'll start with like the
Big four and be like, all right, these for these
quarterbacks are on the island. We don't really need to
discuss them. Does anyone disagree? And those four over time
have been Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow. Now,
Joe Burrow was kicked off the island because he was

(06:11):
hurt last time around. He's still hurt, so he's he's
not on. But when I was thinking about it today,
I do feel like we're in a little bit of
a different place with these guys. Ultimately, you guys can
tell me if you disagree. I did actually come up
with a.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
Big five, A big five, okay time around.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
But I do think we can We could talk about
these guys any a little bit anyways. And so it's
still Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes who are
not having their best seasons, and we can talk about that.
And then I threw on Matthew Stafford and Drake May as.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
You have to take big five.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
No problem with that.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Yeah, I'm good with that, especially you know, the latter
two guys being in the MVP conversation. Shout out to
Patrick Clayban. You know, Drake May's playing unconscious football right now.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
He'd be my choice right now.

Speaker 3 (07:01):
Yeah. I mean he's leading the NFL at passing yards
with a seven passing yards and a seventy two percent
completion rate. And these are not just dump offs. Right, No,
he's not too recently. Sure he drives.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Yes, it is really insane.

Speaker 4 (07:14):
We're eleven weeks into the season and it's pretty like
not a hot take to be like, Drake May's playing
quarterback the best of anyone in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
That's crazy.

Speaker 4 (07:22):
You could you could come up with other options, but
I think that's the right answer, you know, I thought
of Mahomes of these three, was the one.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
I yeah, just for a second, was like, should we
talk Patrick.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
Mahomes because he's coming off one of the worst two
game stretches he's had in a long time.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Well, I mean he got lit up by Denver. I mean,
Denver really caused some some problems, but that was a
bad pick. You drough to McMillan there, you know, as
you were threatening. But still, for the most part when
you watch it, he's still trying to figure out, Okay,
who's going to be open on this play? His offensive
line hasn't been consistent with that said, he's still makes

(08:00):
most of the games look easy. He still makes playing
the position look easy. Where he saw someone like Jared
Goff the other day against Phildelphia was like, oh my gosh. Yeah,
you know, but I have no problem with Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 8 (08:14):
But also the Bills game too that he struggled in
that one mightily his accuracy.

Speaker 6 (08:21):
He didn't throw a touchdown, I don't think in that game.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
Yeah, I think I think that was a stinker.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Though he's a little off, Like when they're getting to
the end of these games, I'm starting to just lose
a little bit of faith that they're going to make
the right place to win him because they're not. Like
he doesn't have a fourth quarter comeback or a game
when he drives. This season, there are times like I
think of the last it might have been their last
offensive play where he holds the ball, he doesn't throw
it to brischard Smith like fast enough. That wasn't their

(08:45):
last play. He got sacked on the last play where
it was a weird play call. They're sending verticals and
he's like not trusting his receivers.

Speaker 2 (08:51):
No, that said, I didn't want to get too carried away.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
I think he was maybe my MVP three weeks ago,
so I didn't want to get too carried away.

Speaker 8 (08:58):
I thought was when I was looking at him and
the lack of rhythm and consistency with this offense. The
last time we did this four weeks ago. I guess
we had Lamar Jackson on the list. We kept him
on the island just because of precedent, and I think
that holds true Patrick Mahomes as well.

Speaker 6 (09:17):
So he's not in.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
The body of work. He's the fighting. That's why I
don't even feel like we need to.

Speaker 6 (09:22):
Vote flag you're there.

Speaker 5 (09:23):
If he had a better run game, I think you'd
also be. I mean, he's always existed sort of as
this singular like unicorn entity, but we are talking about how, yeah,
you really need to get him a better run game.
It is really weird. He is like fourth right now
in EPA per dropback still in the NFL, but he
actually has a lower quarterback rating than Mac Jones by

(09:46):
like two points and is one of the only guys
under a hundred that we're going to talk about today.
So it's just really in Congress kind of weird that,
you know, he's just.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
All over the place.

Speaker 4 (09:56):
He had third in QBR and twentieth in PFFS grading,
and I think part of that is the running helps.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Out your your QBR.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
But he's he's just missed a few throws. But let's
be real, all three of them this is the worst
month they've ever had.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
He's not playing great. Josh Allen's made a lot of mistakes.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Lamar's playing okay, but he's coming off one of his
worst games in a long time. He's not running the
ball nearly as well. And since he's come back from
his injury, he's just been like pretty good.

Speaker 3 (10:24):
I think he's injury. I think he's managing whatever going
and Cleveland always gives him help. Like when you if
you go back and you look at the games he's
played against the Browns, He's never really like eating them up.
So that's that's a weird divisional matchup. He just does
not play well against consistently.

Speaker 4 (10:37):
And I know, you know, when Josh Allen was doing
that push pass from his own end zone early last week,
Eric and all the Bills fans were like, can we.

Speaker 2 (10:44):
Get Josh Allen out of this freaking slump?

Speaker 4 (10:47):
And then you know he scores okay, so that we've.

Speaker 5 (10:52):
Got He's like, I'm not selling my property on the island,
no way.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
What a world that like?

Speaker 4 (10:57):
Uh that Drake May and Stafford are just no brainers.
It's one of the youngest starters in the league and
the not the oldest because Aaron Rodgers is still around
but almost.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But the crazy thing with Drake may He's been sacked
more than like any quarter like thirty's been sacked thirty
six times, and.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
I think that's a negative somewhat on him, although I
saw some crazy stat that, like, like his percentage of
stacks that are within a yard or two of the
line of scrimmage is way higher than any quarterback in
the league. And you do notice that watching the Patriots
that he sort of just gives. It's almost like it's
a coaching point. They told him just like give up
on the play and just like go forward and like
lie down, which okay, yeah, I'm ready to do that, saying.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
They don't want catastrophe. The other two options are you
take a huge loss or you fumble the ball, which
has been an issue. So I do think that's a
coaching point from them.

Speaker 2 (11:42):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (11:44):
That's five guys on the island. There's only five spots,
wow to go at this point in the proceedings, though,
we will just go through. I'm just gonna quickly run
through all the guys that we that I don't think
are even worth talking about today. So these are just
like the other guys that are out there in the
going through each team you know to UH hasn't been
a great year, obviously, not talking about the Jets quarterback Uh.

(12:06):
Nothing with the Browns. Aaron Rodgers, by the way, might
not play this week. He's missing practice Wednesday, possibly Thursday, Friday.
Mike Tomlin says it's going to be a big day
for him. They might be going to Mason Rudolph obviously,
not a conversation to make the Island Davis Mills or c. J.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Stroud. He Stroud hasn't been healthy.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Trevor Lawrence is shrouds out, shrouds out Thursday, Thursday, hard.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
That's rough news for them.

Speaker 4 (12:31):
Should Sanders and Dylan Gabriel obviously not a conversation cam
Ward and then Gino Smith, who we will keep and
I'm sick of hearing from everyone we're keeping in that
in that opening saga, but because he was part of
the quarterback Island story, I'm just sick of him on
Island games.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
You might have to change a sound after after Monday night.
You may have to change a sound like, oh your
kids don't do well school, blame me that.

Speaker 4 (12:58):
That is an amazing quote that you just like anything
that happens, just just play me in life.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Gina Smith.

Speaker 4 (13:04):
Joe Flacco would have been an interesting kind of talk
about before last week. Yeah, like the numbers were pretty
outstanding in the NFC, you know, Jamis and Jackson Dart No,
no conversation there nothing with Washington obviously, Jade and Daniels
has been hurt and JJ McCarthy woof Atlanta, Michael Pennox.

(13:24):
I'm a little disappointed. Neither Pennix, nor Young nor Lawrence,
for instance, ever even got into the conversation of getting
onto quarterback island. Know though Bryce is coming off a
great game, Tyler Shuck is a cross off the entire
Cardinals situation with Jacoby Brissett despite that, uh that record
that he set and in Brock perties just back. So
I think it's it's too early to talk. So those

(13:46):
are the guys that we won't even talk about.

Speaker 5 (13:50):
Respect them all.

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Now, I'll throw it to Colleen. Why not me, let's
start the real deal.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
So wait, wait, wait, are we are we gonna trim
or are we gonna I think the guys.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
Well, now, basically there's five guys that are up up
for grabs that are on the island, and there's other
guys we could potentially nominate Caleb Williams, Jordan love Bo
Nick's or some quarterbacks they didn't mention, And so it's
really like those eight guys, unless you guys want to
throw out anyone that I haven't mentioned for those five spots.

(14:22):
So I think, Kallean, why don't you throw someone out
for discussion, say whether you want to kick them off
or not.

Speaker 8 (14:27):
Initially I was thinking that we would bring brock Party
into the conversation. Okay, huh do you want to Well,
if we're talking about how we did leave Lamar Jackson
on the island before, and we're leaving Patsholmes on the
island now despite all of the red flags with his play,
brock Party before he was hurt played.

Speaker 6 (14:48):
Really well and now he came back.

Speaker 8 (14:50):
It's only one game, one sample size, but the offense
just looked the guys looked so much more comfortable in
their places, and it was I felt like he really
brought George Hittle alive and Christian McCaffrey alive and everything
flowed a little bit better. But if you guys don't
want if you want to wait and kind of just
give that a little asterix, then that's fine.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
Yeah, those other guys that you mentioned, like Lamar and
Mahomes and whatnot, those are two of the greatest quarterbacks
of them well, I mean, and the other one is
brock Party and he didn't even play that well.

Speaker 2 (15:18):
I will push back early in the season.

Speaker 5 (15:22):
This is I had to deal with this outscoding they got.
They got to complicated version of their offense with brock Party.
To Colleen's very good point, but.

Speaker 3 (15:30):
He's what me grandfather brock In is because Cooper Rush
did not play well for Lamar. You know the guys
who the guys who came in for the injured player
should not play well. Mac Jones did his thing a
little bit.

Speaker 6 (15:42):
You know, I'm not saying good you what does that
rockes with Mac Jones?

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Brock Party's playing the vote games.

Speaker 4 (15:47):
Rock Parties played three games this year and in two
of them he's throwing multiple interceptions and did not look great.
I would say we wanted to and look.

Speaker 3 (15:54):
At the opponent. I mean, he carved a gar zone.

Speaker 5 (15:56):
We got another. We got another vote before.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
The end of the season, so I can earn all. Right, then, Colleen,
I want you to throw off all I could throw
someone off. Try to throw someone off the island.

Speaker 6 (16:07):
Throw someone off the island.

Speaker 8 (16:08):
Okay, you want me to just throw Jalen Hurts under
the bus, which list as someone from Philadelphia. The way
that we show love is by booing people, is by
telling people what is maybe wrong with them, what they
need to fix.

Speaker 6 (16:26):
That's the kind of our quick.

Speaker 8 (16:29):
And the inconsistencies that we've seen with this offense and
specifically Jalen Hurts has been considerable. When I feel like
the bye week sort of messed up, and Patrick Clavon
is obviously, in my head, their moment, but he looked
he hit his peak in week seven and eight. Things

(16:50):
were rolling. The offense looked good. They were passing the
ball and moving it really well. He had combined for
seven touchdowns and zero interceptions in those two games.

Speaker 6 (17:00):
Games. Then the bye week.

Speaker 8 (17:01):
Happened, and then Green Bay happened, where everything noticeably dipped.
He only threw for one touchdown, his passer rating dropped
to ninety two point three.

Speaker 6 (17:09):
They still got the.

Speaker 8 (17:10):
Win, but then against Detroit, a season low fifty percent
completions on his passes for just one hundred and thirty
five yards. He didn't produce a touchdown in that game,
they had to rely on the run. A sixty three
point eight passer rating.

Speaker 6 (17:26):
This is not something that has just popped up either.

Speaker 8 (17:30):
This is something that they have been dealing with the
Eagles since the beginning of the season. The up and
down nature of this offense now is that the play
caller or is that the quarterback? Well, the only thing
we can really measure is how the quarterback runs the offense,
and right now it is too up and down and
they're relying on their defense. So I don't think he
should be on the island.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
That's a very legit argument. If we're especially if we're
trimming there, that's a very legit argument.

Speaker 5 (17:56):
This just makes him better.

Speaker 8 (17:58):
This is motivation for him to get back on the island.

Speaker 6 (18:01):
Get back out there, let's get that passer rating up.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
He just got too comfortable, right.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
We famously left him off the island to wrap up
last regular season, and then he did what he does,
which is go on one of the best playoff runs
any quarterback could.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
This is all a part of Colleen's playing master player.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
This whole thing where he like talks about wanting to
be Jordan and all that matters is winning and this
and that, like it seems like like a little bit corny,
and also it's like, Okay, Jalen Jalen Hurts is not
And then.

Speaker 6 (18:32):
Are you saying it's getting into like Russell Wilson turns No.

Speaker 4 (18:34):
What I'm gonna say is then and then you think
about his career and you think like he has literally
played his best football games by far in the biggest spots,
which is like that's some Jordan stuff. We got a
we got a great on the regular season. I don't
know if it's that tough of a decision.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
I don't think it's because I mean, over Oll, the
whole offense hasn't been good. Now, Lane Johnson's out for
a month.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
Derek Gunn, who is he gone give a little context
of who he is sort of in the Philly sports culture.

Speaker 8 (19:04):
Derek Gunn is a legend. We work together for many
many years. He works at the Regional Sports Network. He
is very in on everything that's happening with the Philadelphia
Eagles specifically, but all Philly sports.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
But he is an icon, kind of an insider's insider.
And he said on television after the last game that
lots of people in the Eagles are frustrated with the
quarterback situation. And when I heard that and he said,
it's just frustrating to the coaching staff and to the players.
Extremely frustrating to the players because when they look at
the film the next day or then days later, they

(19:38):
see what's out there, what should have happened. Basically, she
guys throws that he's not making. So unfortunately he is
getting those w's. He's a good quarterback, but I don't
think he's violent.

Speaker 5 (19:48):
And of all the things that you know, have emerged
as frustrating within the Philadelphia Eagles organization. For this, after
all of this time, for this to come out and
be sort of this not so open secret anymore, I
think says a lot about what they're leaving on the
table there.

Speaker 4 (20:06):
It's like it's like a much handsomer version of what
happened with Carson Wentz, you know, six years ago.

Speaker 6 (20:11):
So the number one seed in the NFC, we are voting.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
I'm voting, we voting know for him to be on quarterback.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh okay, so you have a sign we're voting off
the island or not? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (20:23):
Greg, Greg did give like, yes, he's voted.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Off off vote at this point, if we're voting for
the guys again.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
It's easy for you guys to keep him on the island.
I thought I'm reading this room wrong.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
Overthought it there, colle.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
We we either vote them on or not. The players
that that are on the island that we still will
be voting on today at some point are Jared Goff,
Dak Prescott, Baker Mayfield, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold, and Daniel Jones.
So those guys will all be discussed at some point,
and anyone else that you guys want to nominate.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
We still have five spots to go. Do you want
to kick anyone off?

Speaker 5 (21:02):
Jordan want is doing a lot of heavy lifting, but
I feel that I must because I have been the
number one supporter of this quarterback outside of Matthew Stafford oh,
this entire season, and that is Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 3 (21:17):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (21:20):
So here's the thing.

Speaker 5 (21:21):
Baker Mayfield was playing and I don't care how tacky
it is to have this discussion too early in the season,
but he was playing at an MVP clip and he
was playing some of the best quarterback of any quarterback
in the NFL. He was like, you know, setting up
businesses on the Island at this point. You know, he
was supposed to be there, right but the last few

(21:44):
weeks and that is the sample size that I'm looking
at here. Actually, since our last vote, Baker Mayfield has
not been rolling. And this it's in part and we're
not gonna either punish or reward a guy for this.
We've been really good about this for the entire I
think since Quarterback Island has existed, we've been really good

(22:05):
at not punishing a guy for like injuries elsewhere on
the team or whether the system is uplifting or whatever.
But he does have a healthy offensive line through this
time period, and he did not through that first portion
of play. And still he is not playing consistent football.
He has under a fifty percent success rate, so in fact,

(22:25):
he's a forty three percent success rate on passing plays.
He is behind all of these guys who are even
in consideration for the island and some guys who are
not in consideration for the island. In EPA per drop back,
and he has a ninety seven quarterback rating passer rating,
And so I feel like this is it's just time.

(22:47):
It's time and he can come back on. And knowing
Baker Mayfield a little bit. You know, he has a
chip on his shoulder. You know what he's going to
do is go back in. But if we're cutting it,
especially even if it was twelve, I probably wouldn't have
him on so cutting cutting it down to ten certainly,
I think we got to vote Baker Mayfield off quarterback.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
I thought this was gonna be a tougher conversation.

Speaker 5 (23:06):
I don't I don't urge my soul.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
I mean, I mean, guys, in your precious Baker, I mean,
we got to make a new drop ball.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
We gotta we gotta, we gotta.

Speaker 6 (23:16):
Make it stop rolling. It's horrible.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
We need to come up.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
You need to like put her voice into it where
it's like Baker ball not wait.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
I don't know how it would work.

Speaker 8 (23:33):
Doesn't keep rolling ideas strong idea Greg is.

Speaker 4 (23:38):
Not keeps on rolling baby, because like, oh, the tens
is really gonna.

Speaker 8 (23:44):
He had a good game against the Patriots, and I
thought that things were gonna maybe start to trend back up.

Speaker 6 (23:50):
But then against the Bills that was another tough outing.

Speaker 8 (23:53):
Although his mobility looked better because I guess he's getting
a little healthier, but it's.

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Just not consistent, and it part of it and again
I have to be fair and evaluate him in a vacuum,
and yeah, I think it does. Should go on? Should
not go on? Said that, Yeah, he's still dealing. You know,
his first his top two receivers Mike Evans, Chris Godwins
still haven't been there. But still some of this tape
when you watch of him, guys are open and he's
not hitting them or their's inconsistencies. I think he will

(24:19):
right the ship r maybe so to speak or maybe,
but I also feel like this for this portion of
time that we're evaluating for quarterback Island, like I would
vote him off.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
I don't think he's playing terribly, but because you have
to shrink and see the other people. I mean that
to me is the criteria because he's still, to me,
could lead a lot of teams. He hasn't had Bucky
Irving around for a lot of the run game. The
whole offense as a hole has gotten well, a little
bit inconsistent, but part of it is because Baker has
not been great. But he'll rally.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:50):
I think the Patriots game is a great example because
there were guys like they're just throws that he's not
making it right.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
You look at you. That's the eye test.

Speaker 4 (24:57):
Then you look at the numbers which which you talked about,
like seventeenth and EPA thirteenth in QBR, nineteenth in PFF.
Just a lot of like turnover worthy plays. He could
come back. I could easily see Sunday Rams like, that's
the game where Baker starts making it happen and uh,
Baker makes Jordan feel a certain way whilst he's there covering.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
I know, I'm so excited. That is the game. Baker
Mayfield was the hinge point that basically pulled the Rams
football side of their.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
Thursday night football.

Speaker 5 (25:29):
I hear emotional depths on the wasteland and Baker Mayfield
comes to town and it's like a bolt of sunshine.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Here's a little story about that, because they got him
on like a Monday, right, he on Thursday, a tes day.

Speaker 6 (25:42):
Uh huh.

Speaker 3 (25:43):
And remember their center, Brian Allen, He used to walk
around barefoot to the grounding thing angry center. So I
saw him before kickoff. I was like, is Baker gonna
be able to start? He's like he has to because
he's the only guy on the roster who can throw
a forward pass.

Speaker 6 (25:56):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
And if Baker comes in and leads into the the
late victory over the rate, and then it's on and
popping from there, like the whole rebirth of Baker started
that night.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
All right, so let's vote on Baker Mayfield. I vote no.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
I'm sorry Baker.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Everyone holding up voting no? Big fat.

Speaker 3 (26:15):
Now, so we're ten, Greg Rosie.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Math, we're at five.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
That's five that are on.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
And we've only kicked two offs.

Speaker 4 (26:24):
So even even under that that math, he said, yeah, yeah,
I just.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Want to point out that Colleen and I just demonstrated
some emotional bravery. Just now, are guys that we yeah,
we petitioned to kick off the island. I just want
to say profiles and courage.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
Wow.

Speaker 6 (26:43):
And also that Baker was whiteous guy too.

Speaker 3 (26:46):
Yeah yeah, Baker Maker.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
We're all really I think, stepping up.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
We're owning this.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I'm annoyed because I wanted to be able to use
the rip tide on him, and it's not even it's
not even necessary itself.

Speaker 6 (26:58):
Right, he took away your rip.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
All right, Steve, you could bring up someone to this
is a island or or it's easy to cement. I
don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, I think guys on here, it's easy to cement.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (27:15):
On here, there's some guys you know, we're not good,
but I think I think one is that's legitimately up
for conversations. Jared Goff. Okay, you know he's he had
the DISASTERUS game against Philadelphia, but that's what Philadelphia's doing
the teams right now, So we'll see if he bounces back.
But just kind of based on who we have left

(27:36):
on here, I think Jared might be the most vulnerable.
There's one more on here that I could see, but
they haven't been now. The offensive line has been an issue,
I mean as much of a dominant offensive line as
it used to being. Greg we were talking about Pinet
School for MVP. He hadn't had the best couple of
weeks and the rest of the offensive line has not

(27:56):
been great. But when I'm looking at potent cuts here,
and this is just a numbers game, so to speak,
right we're at we've got to get to the final
fifty three, so to speak, got to the final ten,
I would say Jared Goff. And if not Jared Goff, dak,
I mean can't, I just can't see.

Speaker 4 (28:14):
Let's talk Goff now and maybe we'll table it and
see if anyone would would lift up to potentially pass him.
The case against him is, you know, you watch them
in a game like that and you think about his limitations,
you know, against pressure's there's always such a dramatic difference
when you look at his stats the EPA per play

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or whatever it is, and he's top five when he's clean,
and he's outside the top twenty when he's pressured. You
want a quarterback that can can maybe survive a little
better the weather situate, like he's had some bad games
in bad weather. And then you look at just overall
this year, like if we're going to give him extra
credit for when they're winning a lot, they're they're six
and four right now. And his stats are a little

(28:57):
all over the place. Some are good the e paper
drop back, some are bad. Fifteenth in QBR, twenty first
in pff S grading, And that's traditionally something he does
pretty well. And so when I look at him, like
he's always been a little bit of a limited quarterback,
and I think partly so affected by what's around him,

(29:20):
And I think that's the case now because what's around
him is not as good. So I'm struggling with how
much to punish him for that? Right, he seems like
he's on the edge.

Speaker 8 (29:28):
He that Jared Goff reminded me of the Jared Golf
that played the Patriots in the Super Bowl, and I
feel like they sort of did some of the same
things the Eagles did in terms of pressure.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
We talked about this, Oh, you are the one who
talk about it, fans. Your run to defense that fit
the model that the Bears ran when they absolutely took
apart the Rams and then the Patriots. Bill Belichier copied it.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
So I went back and watched and you're exactly right,
which was fascinating to me. But then I'm like, Okay,
in terms of the Island, I don't want recency bias
to completely affect my vote here. How he did against
the Eagles when you compare it to how he played
against Washington the week before, he was so efficient, and
yes that's a totally different defense and a team. But yes,

(30:17):
he's been inconsistent recently, but prior to that, he's been
really good and leading the most high powered offense.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
I think I think since we last taped the episode,
he has not been an Island worthy type of quarterback.
Correct I think even in the win against the Bucks,
like not an amazing game, the loss to the Vite, like,
he's probably had the worst five or five weeks or
so since we've seen I kind of want to table him.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
Let's table him, Yeah, because O line has not been great.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
It's just not been all right, Let's let's actually get
more people on the island, like in terms of who's
staying and uh, you know you're leading with.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Who you feel the most in your guys' souls. I
will too. Uh, let's do just Herbert.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
Does anyone have a big argument against Justin Herber zero?

Speaker 3 (31:06):
No?

Speaker 5 (31:06):
And I feel terrible for him in fact, Okay, yeah,
frankly I feel on his behalf.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
Yes, I thought, because you know, I try to take
a little bit of emotion out and when you do,
look at all these numbers that I keep quoting, like
EPA for play success rate QBR PFF, his profile is okay,
you know, it's not great. It's outside the top ten
and everything except for PFF, which is a little closer
to what I think most people would say, are like
eyeball test grading every quarterback just on a play to

(31:34):
play basis. But man, going into last week, I thought
he had a pretty good at like case as the
best quarterback in the NFL this year. I know that
seems crazy. Last week was brutal, but I'm not going
to kill him that much for one terrible.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
His team to play one. That offensive line, which is
not great right now, absolutely broke down last week and
their defense didn't play well for the first time in
a long time. But you know, we can we can
talk all the analytics, the pffs, everything. When Justin Herbert,
when you watch that dude play all right, like that
is like that's a guy like we talked about playing
the position and he's supposed to be played he is.

(32:10):
There's there's no there's no way in hell you can't
consider him a top five or six QB.

Speaker 5 (32:14):
Also, there's a difference between not holding someone's lack of
tools around them or offensive line or play color whatever.
There's a difference between not holding that against them for
or against them, and what Justin Herbert's dealing with right now.
Trevor Penning was at left tackle, like, what are we doing?
What are we doing?

Speaker 2 (32:32):
He's the island there all right? Everyone? I want an
audible yes.

Speaker 8 (32:37):
Yes, he plu you're in the emergency exit row.

Speaker 6 (32:41):
I need a verbal yes for one.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Start filling it.

Speaker 4 (32:45):
And shout out to Justin Herbert's brother, Ben, is it
did not know you were in the NFL on the
Jaguars practice squad.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
Must it's Patrick Patrick Herbert?

Speaker 5 (32:56):
Yeah, Ben, Ben Herbert's the Chargers strength coach.

Speaker 4 (32:59):
Okay, who knew. Let's take a break. We are going
to decide who the final four quarterbacks are on Quarterback Island.

Speaker 2 (33:09):
Maybe introduce some we're not there before. Back on Quarterback Island.

Speaker 4 (33:28):
We're keeping this show nice and concentrated. The TNF preview
by the way, we're putting that into the preview. We
just want an all quarterback Island.

Speaker 6 (33:37):
This is a tightly run ship.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
We do have some the Captain News and it is.

Speaker 4 (33:42):
It's actually time for our News of the Day, presented
by Olive Gardens, never ending soup or salad in breakfast.
We want the SuperFect. It's on us with every entre
and the breaking news here. It's actually part of Quarterback Island.
Baker Mayfield and Jalen Hurts have been kicked off Quarterback Island.

(34:04):
And what people don't realize is Quarterback Island.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
For the most part, it's pretty sparse. It's pretty spare.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
The guys are just hanging out, but there actually is
an olive garden there.

Speaker 6 (34:14):
Hello, oh god, they can get all the soup they
want on breadsticks.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
So like baker and hurts like no more never ending
soup and or salad and bread sticks for you.

Speaker 5 (34:23):
I met Matthew Stafford just loves a nice broth, you know,
like a bone broth.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
Like really, he.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Looks like we're an Italian wedding guy nourishing. Oh yeah,
you think good stuff there.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
I'm excited that we're able to like introduce some more
food to the guys. I'm still we're getting hungry. I'm
starving to which means keep going. I'm just gonna throw
out a name that I don't think has a good
chance to make the island, but I just wanted to
bring him up, and that's Caleb Williams.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I was thinking that I'm not making the case for him.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
I'm just pointing out that com he's gotten into the
quarterback island conversation with I think the ability to make
plays on his own and not make mistakes, that's like
a that's an intoxicating combination for a quarterback. He's not
doing everything at the highest of levels, I think maybe
to get over and get onto the island. But the

(35:19):
combination of wow plays and a real lack of negative
plays is a great foundation for him to build off.

Speaker 5 (35:26):
Yeah, and I mentioned this a couple weeks ago, but
I think that also Ben Johnson's doing a better job
of unclenching a little bit in terms of there are
times when it is so beneficial to turn on like
the superhero type of plays and the out of structure plays,
but there's also the when they aren't sort of turning

(35:47):
that valve. You can tell Caleb Williams has improved in
a lot of different areas. He's playing calmer in those plays.
He's seeing the middle of the field, especially a lot
better in my opinion, And that's all of those things
are crucial to what Ben Johnson wants to do on
offense and now also him as a play caller, finding
that balance of when to like kind of be a

(36:09):
little freer with it. I think those things just come
with time, and you're starting to see that come together
a little bit.

Speaker 6 (36:14):
Yeah, I think too.

Speaker 8 (36:15):
The if you just go back and look at his
recent performances, obviously Week eight against the Ravens. He had
that interception, but against the Bengals he had three touchdowns.
He also caught a touchdown himself, so that was historic.

Speaker 5 (36:29):
He's the only quarterback on Quarterback Island in the conversations
Quarterback Island who I think has done that.

Speaker 6 (36:36):
We have to look that up.

Speaker 5 (36:38):
But it's like, gotta be worth It's gotta be worth
a raft, I think, so gotta be worth a floaty
at least.

Speaker 8 (36:43):
But I also look at the game winning drive against
the Giants as being a step of growth, and I
think that we can see measurable growth from him and
development every single week, and it feels like he right
now is a totally different corea. Then the quarterback we
stall start the season with Ben Johnson totally agree.

Speaker 4 (37:04):
So I am I'm going to vote no on Caleb Williams.
You know, I brought it up by just that's a good.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
It's a good, it's a it's a real good conversation.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
Like pack a bag, Cale, you might use it.

Speaker 4 (37:12):
This is kind of a pat on the back, Caleb,
that Quarterback Island. We're scouting you. Yeah, you know, yes,
I might have a spot at the at the Olive Garden.

Speaker 5 (37:20):
You know, I'm voting no, but I hereby award him
a touchdown float.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
That's great.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
We go all right, Steve, why don't you conversation piece. Okay,
conversation piece my guy bo Nicks. Okay, we can sit
there and talk about, Oh, he's not this, he's not that.
Fourth quarter. Who do you want running your team?

Speaker 5 (37:40):
Sean Payton, Patrick Mahon.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
Sean Payton's running the other three two justin saying Bowennick
is doing it. By the way, Boennicks caught a touchdown
pass last season. But I mean, you look at this,
he's he's one of He's a tough guy to evaluate
because he played he's out of structure, which has got
to be driving Sean Payton absolutely nuts. But that's where

(38:04):
I think he's the most dangerous. When he can run
on the movie, he puts a defender in conflict, and
for whatever reason late in games he is on target
with the ball. I don't know if he's an Island
guy when I see who's on here, but man, the
ways they're playing overall, the way that he hangs in
there and plays. Now that R. J. Harvey has become

(38:25):
kind of that dual threat running back, I think that's
going to open up the offense a little bit more.
I mean, I just want to put bo Nicks in
this conversation tenth leading passer.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Maybe.

Speaker 4 (38:35):
Well, here's the case for Bonicks. He is helping to
define this season. He is one of the center pieces
and that is one of the late game rally.

Speaker 8 (38:45):
You can't see the story of the twenty twenty five
NFL season without Bonett.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
I do think that he has at least worth talking
about because of that. He's coming off his best game,
so I don't want it to be recency buys.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
But he played well that whole game.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
He outplayed Patrick Mahomes in that game and has had
a lot of success against the Chiefs. He's in a
better situation obviously. I think his inconsistencies over the course
of the season makes it tough. But I'm willing to
table him for now and not even.

Speaker 3 (39:13):
Say assistance he's are in the passing game. I guess
what he does on the move, just change things a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
I know he had some dimes in that game. He
played really well overall.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
I know Eric is probably going crazy because we didn't
follow the path this week and we haven't totally cemented
too many people on. So I think that's why I
want to That's why I want to table it for now.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
What do you guys think?

Speaker 6 (39:33):
What do we think about Eric's expression? Right now?

Speaker 3 (39:35):
We have to clear a space too. If we're gonna
put somebody on, we have to clear a spright.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Well, we have to decide who is definitely on. Why
don't you, Jordan nominate someone you definitely want on the island.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
I don't think we should table, guys anymore. I think
that we could decide, okay, process, I.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Still want Sam Darnold on the island.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
He's on.

Speaker 8 (39:53):
Yeah, one one game we're all in agreement.

Speaker 5 (39:57):
Against like the demon in his closet, which which is
the Los Angeles Rams pass rush does not a quarterback
island remove, Like, I really think that agree without this.
I know it's with Sam Donald. The thing that we
always get sucked into with him, and it's unfortunate for
him because it's coming at the hands of the Rams
every time. Is this recency bias of like, oh, his

(40:19):
last game affects the conversation about Sam Donald. We're not
going to let that happen this time. He is the
architect of the league's most explosive passing offense. So I
definitely want him on the island.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I will vote yes, yeah, Sam Donald.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
I just wanted to punish him slightly by not putting
him in that top five, but you're right, he's probably
number ye.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
Yes, and he wanted to well because look I gave him.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
He was our official and no one can ever take
this away from him, our official NFL Daily half seat
mid season MVP this year. Now, since those two games,
he's thrown five picks and fumbled the ball twice, so
he needs to it. I know he played well enough
against against Are.

Speaker 5 (40:59):
One of them came in in excuse me, four of
those picks in one game. I'm gonna go ahead and
call that an outlier.

Speaker 8 (41:05):
He's getting a warning from the landlord on the island,
is what we're saying.

Speaker 3 (41:09):
Yes, And here's the thing, the stuff he's doing, he's
got the fewest attempts of like like significantly by anybody
who's on the island, even in consideration, so he's dealing.

Speaker 4 (41:18):
All right, congratulations to say, yeah, he's on, Colleen, anyone
else you want to nominate to either discuss or just
say is definitely on. However you want to frame it, why.

Speaker 6 (41:29):
Don't we discuss a little I'm looking through my people here.
Let's discuss Daniel Jones. We have just brought him up yet,
and yeah, he's been a little inconsistent obviously.

Speaker 8 (41:41):
In Germany he was sacked an unbelievable amount of times,
but he performed better than he did against Pittsburgh. The
game against Pittsburgh for Daniel Jones was absolutely brutal.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
They warmed him up, turn the.

Speaker 8 (41:56):
Ball over five times, three interceptions, two lost fumbles, he
got sacked ton.

Speaker 6 (42:01):
He had a little bit of a step forward in Germany.

Speaker 8 (42:06):
He performed a little better, but he still turned the
ball over and was sacked a ton. The offensive line
really struggled in this game. But prior to that, if
you look at weeks seven and eight, he was super
efficient and the you know, the ball security.

Speaker 6 (42:22):
Too, was there.

Speaker 8 (42:23):
He had two of his best games of the season.
He had really impressive passer ratings. Sure it was against
the Titans one of those games. And the Chargers, man.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
That's a competitive football team as bad as they are, man, right,
They're not the Raiders.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
They're chaos causers.

Speaker 8 (42:38):
Right, So Daniel Jones, you know how I feel about DJ.
He's kind of the same way I feel about Sam Darnold.
For me, he stays on the island, but he's also
getting a warning from the landlord.

Speaker 4 (42:49):
I think he's he's a trickier case because those two
games were pretty brutal, you know, Darnold, I mentioned it's
five interceptions, two fumbles for the two games. For Daniel Jones,
it's four interceptions and six football and twelve sacks.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
At least one of.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
Those was a center snap exchange, which is really not
as well. But that's a lot and even over the
course of the season. Now, his rate stats are incredible.
They make a strong case to like be on the island. PFF,
for instance, has him eighteenth, and that's on the more
play to play kind of a little bit more of
an eyeball test, so to me, eyeball test, I'm not sure.

(43:28):
It's a tough conversation between him and GOFF and Jared
Love who Jordan Love who we have not gotten to.

Speaker 6 (43:35):
For me, what we do is put Jonathan Taylor on
the island, right.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I do also want to point out that even when
he's not blitzed, he's turning the ball over frequently. Again
without a blitz this season, six of his interceptions. So
it's like, okay, if you're rushing four and this cloudier
in the back, you want to a quarterback has to
make those pinpoint throws and do you know all that.
I think he's been incredib but these last two games

(44:01):
have really really hurt him if we're looking at that
sample size.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Yeah, but I mean again, I look at they have
they hurt him enough to get him off the island.
I don't when I'm looking at this, I don't see.

Speaker 6 (44:11):
It not clear. And part of it evidence and.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Part of it, I mean the fumbles I hate because
that is something that is just with him. He's going
to put the ball on the ground and that's something.

Speaker 5 (44:21):
But and against pressure, you know, six only completely sixty
percent of his passes when any pressure at all is
coming toward him.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Yeah, I mean that's that's not bad. That's yeah, it's
not like it's not bad.

Speaker 5 (44:32):
But it's like you factor in the interceptions along with that.

Speaker 3 (44:35):
Sure, you know, but but there's this and this this
has to be one of my factors into quarterback criteria.
And it's an old saying. If a quarterback is willing
to jump in the pile for a fumble, that's a
leader you want to have. And Daniel Jones has shown
that take of the image of the bloody mouth looks
like he had.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
Ah, he's a fantastic leader. Right.

Speaker 3 (44:54):
So I again, I think with all of that, the
fact that they're winning despite some of the other things
they going on, and just we can talk about his
inaccuracies here and there, but when he's on, man, I
mean he's sick.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
It's tricky for like what the exercises is really because
he's still like eighth and epa per play, he's second
in success.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Rate and he's defining this year.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
He is helping to define.

Speaker 4 (45:15):
Yeah, can we table him because I kind of want
to have the conversation of who are the finding we're.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
Tabling one more guy.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
So if we all agree, let's see where we are
with Dak Prescott. Is there a big case against Prescott?

Speaker 2 (45:31):
Quick?

Speaker 6 (45:32):
Okay, yes, no issue?

Speaker 4 (45:35):
Great, we can speed it up there, Okay, deak Son, great,
good job by Dak. By the way, you know, he's
going to be a big part of the rest of
the season. Speaking of le Christmas and skimming and Sunday
nights and.

Speaker 5 (45:47):
Just listen to have a team through the tragedy that
they've just gone through. To be a captain and a
leader for a team going through a loss like that,
and it's it's unfathomable really, And you could really tell
him and Solomon Thomas and Bradshott Homer together how they

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had that group just well.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Dak and Sally went through it with family members of
their own.

Speaker 8 (46:13):
You could tell after when he was talking to SVP
on the postgame show that like he was, he was
so emotional about it. But he's just so emotionally intelligent.
He's an intelligent quarterback in general, but that's a different
measurement and he was really speaking from the heart.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
Always so impressed when Dak Prescott speaks, and I have
noticed the change life changes happened to you, and you
change as a as a person. And since his brother
committed suicide and he spoke about that many times, he
always he always just attacks his job with the right perspective.
And by the way how he's attacking it on the
field is just a beauty to me.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
He is the closest thing we have to like Peyton
Manning and.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
Yeah, and the way he deals with dynamic of the
owner yep, oh, he manages being the owner just even
realized he's realized he's being managed.

Speaker 5 (47:04):
That's how well Deck manages the owners.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Let's let's talk Jordan Love, because here's how I want to.

Speaker 6 (47:10):
Frame I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (47:11):
Okay, we have eight eight guys are definitely on the isisle.
We've already voted them on, which means in theory, there's
two spots available that Jared Goff and Daniel Jones. Daniel
Jones are are holding tenuously.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Hmm.

Speaker 4 (47:24):
I think love for me and then bo Nick's we
also talked about, are threatening to maybe take those two spots.
And so I think that's how I wanted everyone to
think about it. It's those four guys now for two spots,
and Jordan you you wanted to talk, Jordan Love, So
what do you what do you got to say?

Speaker 5 (47:42):
Yeah, because I feel like we all know and see
the lows are whooo, buddy, they are crazy some of
the some of the lows and some of the misthrows.
He's been hurt by drops, I would say yes, more
than one occasion. And the highs. There is no quarterback
who can throw the ball like him. On the little

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fadeaway shot sixty yards down the field, there is no
quarterback who can be this young era of gunslinger like him.
We already pulled a young gunslinger in Baker Mayfield off
the Island. I want Love on representing the young Gunslinger
era in the NFL. He gives no f's. I mean
he does, he cares quite a bit, but like he

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will take these risks and make these plays and I
think at times doing it despite the fact that he's
got a great play caller, but one who just really
wants to run the ball, probably a little too much sometimes.
And Jordan Love when he is on, you have this
feeling like anything is possible, any throw is possible. And

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you notice, I'm not even saying stats because his stats
are crazy, because we've seen some truly atrocious playing times
from him this year and he's still among the leaders
in the league and EPA per dropback because of how
productive the highs are. I think he belongs on the Island.
I think he is one of the players that define
especially through this difficult middle part of the season and

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the Packers having to figure out how to win these
games that they are way too close in and way
too consistent, and he is a part of that as well.
The inconsistency. But he is defining a part of this
season where it is either they are going to be
a Super Bowl true Super Bowl contending team or not.
And he is a quarterback who, at the highest of highs,
can be that guy. Yeah, the highest of highs.

Speaker 8 (49:28):
You look at his performance against the Steelers and he
got NFC Offensive Player of the Week.

Speaker 6 (49:33):
Those are the high moments.

Speaker 8 (49:35):
But I just thought against the Giants, even though it
wasn't a pretty game and he was playing through the
shoulder injury and he had all of the drop passes,
his leadership and his poise in that game for them
to grind it out just speaks volumes of his intangibles
too that he's bringing to the table.

Speaker 6 (49:51):
So I would consider having him on the side.

Speaker 5 (49:54):
I want him on.

Speaker 3 (49:55):
It's what I don't love him, That's the thing. When
I watch him. I love I love his leadership, I
love his toughness. But there's just something and this is
an eye testing, there's just something about his game where
I just don't know if he is you know he's there.

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It's almost like how you were talking about with Daniel Jones,
like I just don't know if the game had to
come down to him. And part of that is with
Tucker Craft out of the lineup, they seem to have
lost their daddy, Like what do we do they do?
Like what are we doing off that? Like why do
we figure this out? Where do we go? And that's

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where someone like a Josh Allen, Someone's like, don't worry,
we got this. And I don't know if I've seen
that out of him now is that enough to pull
off a Jared Goff and say yeah, Because Jared Goff
has shown some of those same tendencies as well. But
I don't know. Jordan Love is one of these guys.
I love his talent so much and his toughness and everything,
but it's just a weird evalue way she for me,

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just taking the numbers out of everything.

Speaker 4 (51:02):
I think, you know, people use game manager as a pejorative,
but Lamar Jackson's one of the best game managers, like
in the NFL, like great quarterbacks know when to do
certain things. I do think it's a fair criticism or
at least place for development that Jordan Love like that's
not his strength yet. The last four weeks I think
are a good example of like that.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
I don't think it's his play callers strength either.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
Right, well, and that's it's all. It's all tied together.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
Like after that Pittsburgh game, I'm thinking, man, how did
we not have Jordan Love on the island. Then the
next two games, it's the Panthers and those Eagles games,
And Jordan Love wasn't terrible in the Panthers game, but
he left you want in a couple game management situations,
and the Eagles game was rough and you're like, Okay,
that's why Jordan Love's not on. And then the Giants
game was one of the best quarterback games I thought
of the entire season. Despite his stats, he was incredible.

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So let's actually put a pin in it. We're going
to take one final break and on the other side
we will vote on all four quarterbacks who our colleagues like.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
No more table and Greg dropped two.

Speaker 6 (52:02):
On trying to streamline. Fine, we need a.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Break back for the final segment.

Speaker 4 (52:19):
Hold up, real quick, quarterback, Hold up, hold on, Daddy's here,
by the way, Daddy's not gone anywhere.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
No, Colleen, Joe, will you explain it to me every
time you come back from break. I don't know, it's
a nervous tick whatever. But Greg is with.

Speaker 5 (52:30):
This, and he's almost hitting you.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I'm why arm swinger next to Greg.

Speaker 6 (52:36):
You gotta have your head on.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
We've got a nervous tickets and excited.

Speaker 3 (52:39):
There we go.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
All right, he's like fanning, I would like this.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
I now, when I watch the Packers all season, I'm
just gonna think Daddy's gone whenever they show Tucker Craft
on the side.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Okay, we left off talking.

Speaker 5 (52:55):
Emotional dependence on Tuckers me and my dog.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
We off talking about I guess one of Tuckercraft's sons,
Jordan Love and I think it's time to bring up
a vote.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
And we'll do it one by one. Steve Weisch your
your vote.

Speaker 3 (53:13):
I voted, you know, I just I'm seeing that some
of the other quarterbacks who have been on the island,
and I don't know if I could put him on
over them.

Speaker 4 (53:21):
I am going to vote yes. Jordan made a convincing case,
I thought, and it's a trap somehow, it's a feel
and it's a statistical case combined. And it's also, let's
be honest, we have a certain amount that we got
to fill. I think he deserves it more than Jared
Goff personally.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
So I'm voting yes.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
Yes, I fully admit, as I mentioned in my argument
of some of the inconsistencies that we've seen, But Jordan
Love belongs on Quarterback Island. It's about time also, and
I think that you know, throw for throw. He is
playing more unbelievably than some of the other quarterbacks that
we're talking about.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
Throw for throw.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
All right, Colleen, Okay.

Speaker 6 (54:04):
If I'm looking at the fact that we have two
spots left.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
And four courts, you got to pick youre two that
you wanta.

Speaker 8 (54:08):
Off Jones, Love Nicks out of those four, Love goes on.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yes, she had on.

Speaker 9 (54:16):
Oh my god, we need to have slow mo replay
of that new sponsor replay of that one.

Speaker 4 (54:24):
We need to have like extra cameras in here so
people can watch it live. And anyone that was on
the ISO Colleen cam was seeing the no she was holding.

Speaker 8 (54:33):
I was like, well, because then I looked at list
and the spots and wow, that was a brotou.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
You could also look at it as all of your pros.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
Yeah, now we're talk good.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (54:53):
And that was Quarterback Island, episode three season is your
boy bo getting Now? I feel bad because if we
vote no on bo Nix, which I'm going to It
almost feels disrespectful to Steve because he didn't want No.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
There's more of a season, There's more seasons, there's more
of a season left.

Speaker 6 (55:11):
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
Don't think he's played quarterback well, like, I know, the
fourth quarter matters more, but ultimately, every play I want
to be evaluated, and for the eleven weeks of this
season he falls.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
It's fair, it's fair, but he's like the fact that
he's even being talked about that's a win. I'm voting no.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
I'll vote now, I'll voute now.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
Okay, Yeah, I'm voting no on Bow because I want
someone else on more.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
There's more season.

Speaker 6 (55:35):
Yeah, exactly, I'm saying no on bow. Do you not
want my vote?

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Greg? We had three. It's just kind of well, you
know what, that's a bro No.

Speaker 4 (55:44):
No, it's just like all of us who you know
sent the mail ins for Prop fifty, but they put
it out you know, you sent it on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
It was like, yeah, I guess it.

Speaker 4 (55:56):
You know, it's going to take a while for them
to even like count that broke, but counts in the end.
Last two it's it's a war and it's gonna be
either Daniel Jones or Jared Goff getting kicked off quarterback Island.
I think you have the most emotionally at stake here, Colleen,
So I'll let you talk about. Why don't you basically

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talk about the quarterback between these two you want?

Speaker 2 (56:24):
And then and then vote.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
Yes Jones.

Speaker 8 (56:29):
Between these two yes, because I need a tiebreaker, so
to speak. I will go with the larger body of work,
and I will go with Jared Golf.

Speaker 3 (56:42):
Say to stay on.

Speaker 9 (56:44):
Okay, ah, like god, it's like a little more as
a DJ guy. I think about this year and I
and I come back to that.

Speaker 4 (56:56):
I hear what you're saying in terms of tiebreaker like
body of work, but my body work is twenty twenty five.
Daniel Jones is defining the position in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 6 (57:07):
You guys are the ones who got me off. Daniel Jones.
All this turnover and fumble and interception.

Speaker 4 (57:12):
Talk, well, we were just were tabling him. I truly
didn't know how it was going to work out. So
he felt like someone that was right on the edge,
which we found out he is. But now it's come
down and there's two men, and I know who I prefer.
I vote yes on Danny Dimes. It's not a prediction
for the future, it's who's been doing it so far,

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and the highs I think have been higher than Jared.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
That explanation was all over the place by.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
Yeah, all of mine.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
Are are we voting on? Who are we voting?

Speaker 2 (57:42):
Are we voting?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Who are we what? Are we voting?

Speaker 2 (57:43):
No on Daniel Jones? So I just decided I'm voting
yes on Daniel Jones.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Okay? So are we voting on Daniel Jones? Golf?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Okay on Daniel Jones.

Speaker 6 (57:51):
Okay, Daniel Jones.

Speaker 8 (57:53):
It's because Jared Golf stays on though I'm saying no, I'm.

Speaker 3 (57:58):
Voted yes for Daniel Jones stay on the island. I mean,
besides the fifteen passing touchdowns, which was his great season
with the Giants, he's got five rushing touchdowns, third leading
pastor in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (58:10):
You know how I feel, Which means the deciding vote
comes down to Jordan rod Rigg. Now if she if
she voted no on Daniel Jones, that would be two
to two, and we'd talk about golf and see if
he could get you know, a clearer choice.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
But you know what you're doing. Jordan's I do. You
are deciding who is the tenth.

Speaker 4 (58:29):
And send it to Turmoilmer, are you saying yes on
Daniel Jones or no on Daniel Jones.

Speaker 8 (58:36):
You just shuffled her cards around and then peaked to
see what.

Speaker 5 (58:39):
Was Pass me a bottle, mister Jones, Sanny Dimes, I do,
and it is it is because of this. Yes, the
fumbles are a problem, Yes to turnover problem they are
with Jared Goff. To the fumbles could be a problem
with Jared Goff. The pressure can be a problem with

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Jared Goff. Daniel Jones is helping to define the quarterback
position right now. And yes on data, maybe this was
all reverse psychology.

Speaker 3 (59:09):
Of us.

Speaker 5 (59:09):
All of us have a ripcord riptide who still available?

Speaker 4 (59:12):
You could take someone off if you really felt like
it was necessary. I do love that it's set up
that the number one thing we learned was you can't
trust Colleen in a foxhole here because she.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
Turns her back.

Speaker 8 (59:27):
But my eyes okay, and nobody put up a fight
with that. Vote for Jalen hurts, So don't come at
me with that. Greg Oh, Drake May is doing so great.
We can't have Drake May in our lives.

Speaker 5 (59:41):
Do you notice how he gets a little flush to
his face when he talks about Drake May. I've guessed this.
He gets a twinkle in his twinkle in his eyes.

Speaker 4 (59:49):
It's been a great time on the island, a great
time with the four of you, and I've actually secured invites.
We can't stay there because it's only quarterback, but we
can just like go and alive garden.

Speaker 8 (01:00:01):
I want James Wisdom to be like the ambassador of
the like the offseason, so he's like the cruise director
of Quarterback Island.

Speaker 5 (01:00:08):
Don't forget Caleb Williams out there on a touchdown floor.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
He is and uh yes, Nicks has got QB Islands.
So that's it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
We will have one more quarterback guy, would you for
the listener? Season going to that final Quarterback Island is
going to be after week seventeen. It's already been put
on the calendar that following Tuesday, before the final regular
season week, but without any further ado. The ten men
who are comprising Quarterback Island after episode three, season two

(01:00:43):
Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, Dak Prescott, Justin Herbert, Sam Darnold,
Drake May, Matthew Stafford, Lamar Jackson, Danny Dimes and welcoming
only one new member to the island. Congratulations to Jordan,

(01:01:04):
Congratulations you did it. Now you just gotta go win
a very difficult division. It was a pleasure as always,
always okay, good, no hard feelings on the back stabbing things.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Get him to save it. Just get him. Next time
you see, we.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Will be back on Wednesday.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
We have our big preview show and yeah you might
have noticed no t n F preview in this show,
so we'll handle that on the Wednesday show myself and
Jordan and Patrick back

Speaker 2 (01:01:33):
In a few and back in a month on Quarterback Island.