2025 NFL Week 11 Recap: Rams, Eagles, Broncos Separate, Josh Allen Goes Nuclear, and Playoff Picture Takes Shape

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're ready for another Seahawks
Rams game and another Chiefs Broncos game. How about the
games of the day delivering in the afternoon window. We've
had a lot of recaps in the Chris Wesleyan podcast
studio this season. I feel like this one is the
most important, and that's because Patrick, the weeks, you know,

(00:27):
make the tension rise. Each week is a little more
important than the last.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
Yes, who cares about what happened in the first ten weeks.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
They all matter, they all matter, they all matter.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
But this, honestly, to your point, this feels like a
before week eleven and after week eleven where we'll look
back at this week and be like, oh, okay, that's
when we started to find out there's been a lot
of effing around.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
And if you're scared, listeners, go to church.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
More on that soon, but we are going to start
just across the sidewalk at SOFI Stadium.

Speaker 5 (00:59):
This one I decided by a field goal one way
or another. Jason Myers from sixty one yards to win
it with one second to go for the Seahawks snaphole.
Then boot on the way. It's fading right, It's bleeding right, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
No good and the Rams are.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
His first place in the NFC West.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Oh. Jason Myers a horror show of a kick for
the Seattle Seahawks in a twenty one to nineteen loss
to the Ram. You ever the Rams? Rather, you ever
think JB Long right before those big kicks?

Speaker 2 (01:38):
Ever?

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Did I better make this call great? Because it might
make it onto NFL Daily. The Rams survive a fascinating
end of the game sequence with all sorts of angles
and really a fascinating game, Jordan, with a lot of defense.
What stands out to you the most from this narrow Rams?

Speaker 6 (02:00):
Well, Greg, I feel like, first of all, you learned
a lot about me today sitting next to you in
the cubes there in the newsroom. But both of these
defenses were just incredible today. That Seattle was in position
to win this game at the end was because of
their defense, which did not allow a Rams possession to
go over five plays, including five punts and six possessions

(02:21):
in the second half, and the Rams defense went into
their twenty twenty style death by ten thousand paper cuts
mode and held Seattle to four field goals until a
ken Walker touchdown right ahead of the two minute warning
in the fourth quarter, plus intercepted Sam Donald four times
throughout the game. This was a game that both offenses
will probably want to forget. A master class by Mike

(02:44):
McDonald to contain Matthew Stafford defend their hugely productive there's
thirteen personnel package that we said they were in position
to defend perfectly at just a seventeen percent success rate,
forced them back into eleven personnel without three fully healthy receivers,
go to recis and then they broke tendancy by playing
more man and blitzing the poop out of Matthew Stafford,

(03:05):
and by Chris Shula to keep his defense both patient
and aggressive, capping the NFL's most explosive passing offense to
just one completion of twenty plus air yards on six
attempts plus an interception, and ramping up pressure on Sam
Darnold in the second half. Artfully done by both Mike

(03:26):
McDonald and Chris Shula.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Take a freaking.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Bow, yet not maybe a great game for the MVP
candidacies or the conversation of either of these quarterbacks, although
the win is going to be important for Stafford, but
a reminder that yes, a defense first type of game
can be as exciting as any score fest. And you
mentioned how those rams drives were short, like their touchdown

(03:50):
drives were very short, one of them being a three
yard touchdown drive. They did have that one long march,
but then another one was twenty five yards. That led
to DeVante Adams after the game almost feeling like mixed emotions.
Let's listen, oh man, Okay, sorry, that's him arriving to

(04:12):
the prescott.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
I don't think anybody's discouraged by what we did on
office today, but it was definitely not to our standard,
and I think we played kind of.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
An average league game of football.

Speaker 7 (04:21):
It wasn't like it was the worst of all time,
but to our standard, it definitely was not there. But
I mean, it makes you feel even better knowing that
you know, you can play like crap, like you know
what we feel like on offense, and still come out
with a victory. And it's a really good team.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
It's very good that DeVante Adams does not play for
the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
This would lead a week of all this.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Ride receiver is just trashing the offense and saying they
played like crap. He's swearing as he walks in to
his news conference where this was just a great matchup
where I felt like the advantage would be the Rams
would be able to run the ball out of their
big personnel better than the Seattle Seahawks. And we saw
Kyra Williams of a great game averaging seven yards of carry.

(05:01):
Puka Nakua got in the run game as well, and
just of course you can it's tough to pick out
four plays where Sam Donald makes bad decisions and be like,
oh well, other than those plays, because there were more
than that. There was a play where Rashid Shaheed had
dusted Emmanuel Forbes for what would have been an easy touchdown.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Donald left it short. Forbes was able to get a
finger on that.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
He got bailed out by a couple of past interference
plays that were close. Admittedly, like on the final drive,
Emmanuel Forbes did interfere with JSN and they get a
chance at the kick. But in terms of the donald
skeptics out there, like you mentioned it, this is their
evidence number one. This is the first thing that they'll
submit when they make the case.

Speaker 4 (05:44):
Jordan, it's the Rams.

Speaker 6 (05:45):
The Rams are the monster in his closet right because
he has he has struggled against them, and I think
Chris Shula has played them a little bit differently every time.

Speaker 4 (05:53):
They ramped up the pressure in the second half of
this game.

Speaker 6 (05:56):
Sure, and then obviously we know that that's affected Sam
Donald in the past.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
But they literally they made them earn.

Speaker 6 (06:01):
They capped everything, and they made them earn every single
inch of the field. And where I loved this Clint
Kubiak offense, and I told Greg at one point, I
think I'm Clint pilled here because it's like it looked
like the throwback Shanahan offense is where they would just
run like Zoro toss against the Rams all day, so
toss the ball and hit the perimeter with some of
their rushing attacks, and they kept spamming it and it

(06:24):
was super effective, and they just could not get over
the top to make these explosive plays all but one time.
This is how Seattle's possessions went the entire game. Interception,
field goal, field goal, field goal, interception, field goal, punt, interception, interception, punt,
and then the touchdown. And that happened with a sort

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of a masterclass in clock management because it was with
two twenty three on the clock, so they were racing
the two minute warning and then were able to get
that extra stoppage to put them back in a position
to even win the game with that field goal. But
it's pretty lucky that when the Rams overhauled their entire
special teams unit.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
They kept the best player on.

Speaker 6 (07:05):
That special teams unit, Ethan quote unquote monster leg Evans,
who ripped a punt to the one yard line the
best punt punt of the year, I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
A pun of the year the year. We're actlualely not
accepting any nominations. Here we are November sixteenth, Ethan Evans,
You've won. That's going to be the pun.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Of the year.

Speaker 4 (07:23):
And you had to go.

Speaker 6 (07:23):
If you're Sam Darnold, not only are you at that
point just rattled because of what they're they've been taking
the ball away, but also you know that you're not
running the ball up the middle very well, and you
can't go out of bounce. You're not trying to you know,
you're trying to contain you in the perimeter two and
and so they had to hope that this would be
the thing field goal range with a minute forty one

(07:45):
to play after that punt.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
You know, I hate good losses because the next you
know you aren't not necessarily going to play that well,
or the game will be totally different when it's in Seattle.
But Seattle can at least tell themselves that, look, we
outgain them by over one hundred, We threw four interceptions
and we were still in this game. Unfortunately, they lose
Gray's Abel to an injury, and now you combine that

(08:08):
with the Sundel injury at center. We'll see how serious
Abel winds up being, but it didn't look great that
that could be a problem for them long term coming
out of this game. And I do think there's gonna
be a concern until Darnald can prove that he can
beat this Rams team, because you mentioned it. He had
two really rough games last year against him, including in
the regular season. Let's actually listen to Donald's fourth pick

(08:30):
of the day.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
Donald lists his leg to call for the silent counts
now against the Blitz, has time now, it breaks down,
hit jump past, he runs away again, intercepted by the
Rams out the right side at midfield.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
Howl takes it away with d wo.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
Four interceptions in midnight mode.

Speaker 8 (08:52):
They turned Shan Donald into a pumpkin.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
That's so fun. WHOA that's a good one.

Speaker 6 (08:57):
Sneaky big comment too from j be Long because I
think Quenton Lake looked the coolest in the Midnight forms
with the Midnight Blue sleeve on as well. Unfortunately, Quentin
Lake left the game at halftime. He's the he's their
star position player, and and uh, Charles.

Speaker 4 (09:14):
Wallace came or excuse me, Josh Wallace. That's a wrinkle
in time comment.

Speaker 6 (09:18):
Josh Wallace came in and and he's a former undrafted
free agent and had to play that position. And still
they held the way that they did and made plays
on the ball. I think Darius Williams has made some
significant plays against Seattle, specifically with the Rams in crucial
situations in his time, and so to do the things
that they did despite their own injuries. And again I

(09:41):
can't overstate enough how this group of corners and safeties
who have been a huge question mark for especially the
first part of the season, have really come together as
a group to limit an offensive, explosive passing attack like
this was astounding.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
They were in din basically the whole game.

Speaker 6 (10:01):
So even when Quinton Lake was out who they uses
their dime linebacker as that star position player, they still
stayed in the personnel that they knew would help them
win the game and cap the explosives.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
And when you do that, you're essentially daring the other
team to run. And the Seahawks couldn't do it enough.
Fifty one percent. Yeah, in dime. And it was fascinating
to see the game plans on both sides because you know,
the whole idea is like, oh, don't blitz Matthew Stafford.
You know he's great against it. They blitzed a ton
against them forty five percent of the time. It was
ritt out of him and it was very effective. So

(10:32):
both defenses I think had had great game plans and ultimately, yeah,
it was La Rams the red zone and DeVante Adams
his one catch for one yard on eight targets. You're right.
If aj Brown had that game, it would have been
absolutely crazy.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
But kudos to the Seattle Seahawks because for the first time,
what felt like the first time in the past seven weeks,
the DeVante Adams split out wide by himself on the
opposite side of the tight ends play was successfully stopped.
But then they go back to the other version of
the play where he runs the slant and he gets
a touchdown. On the very next play, which actually got

(11:06):
is a thousandth career reception, So congratulations to Vante Is.
He has something to celebrate. But again he's tearing the
team apart. In the postgame, oh.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
No, so yes, Stafford finishes with just one hundred and
thirty yards, but yeah, avoids the big turnover and shout
out to Sean McVay. It happened so long ago. You mentioned.
This has been a long day, but his fourth down
religion that he has found early in this game made
a huge difference. He is aggressive as hell. It's helping
him out. Great win by the Rams. Let's go to

(11:34):
the other big game in the late window. Let's go
to Denver.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
This ball be spotted right between the hash marks at
the twenty five an attempt of thirty five yards against
Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I won't even mention it. Snap placement, kick all.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
The way and he is good.

Speaker 5 (11:52):
They don't put this one last year in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
The Denver cl goes he had beaten the Kansas City.

Speaker 1 (11:59):
Chief by a final score of twenty two to nineteen.
You can mention it Patrick after it goes out of
the upright Will Lutz from thirty five yards out after
a couple of clutch I'll say it bow knicks fourth
quarter throws. The one that set up the game winner

(12:22):
was thirty two yards to Troy Franklin on second and
eight to the opposite shoulder where where Justin Watson wasn't
expecting it. But earlier on the drive he hits Courtland
Sutton on a third and five. He hits Courtland Sutton
on a twenty yard throw on third and fifteen. It's
a tricky formula, these fourth quarter bow knicks like performances,

(12:43):
but it keeps happening. They're nails in one score games
and the Chiefs at five and five. All five games
are by one score their losses.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
And it's a total slip of the script from the
twenty twenty four Denver Broncos who lost all of these
one score games. We've seen them come back and make
the where you wonder Coach Payton take the governor off
of bow nicks prior to eight minutes to go in
the ball game and see what things would look like.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
But it was safe bow a safe offense.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
Over the course of this game against the Kansas City Chiefs,
where things got back and forth late Kansas City relying
on a couple of big defensive pass interference calls on
Riley Moss, who actually leads the.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
NFL drew API yeah hitting.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
And no Patrick Shtan in this one. And so you think, well,
Riley Moss gets all those targets because their tan's on
the field. No teams just love throwing at Riley Moss.
But the team, the player that Patrick Mahomes loved throwing
at the most in this game was Jakwan McMillan, who
ultimately picked him off. He was targeted on twenty two
percent of the plays where the Kansas City Chiefs passed

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the ball and there were only he gave up six receptions,
but he made Patrick Mahomes pay on those. He actually
got a huge not just an interception, got a sack
late in the game that got the Denver Broncos the
ball back all that possession where they go down and
take the lead. And this was just a great game
by a Denver defense to muddy it up. Have a

(14:08):
rock fight, and I will take the Denver Broncos in
a rock fight against almost anybody.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
At this point.

Speaker 6 (14:14):
Statistically, you should seven to two in one score games.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
It's crazy. And I think when the Chiefs got the
ball back in a tie game late you're thinking, Okay,
this is where they go down and they take the lead,
and that's after the Kelsey go ahead touchdown earlier in
the fourth quarter. And it didn't matter that the McMillan
sack is the one that you mentioned, and he had
one earlier in the game. He gets the game ball
afterwards with those two sacks, and it's just these guys

(14:38):
popping up on their defense that you don't see coming.
And it is Nick. So you can tell me if
I'm wrong, Patrick, But I thought it was a more
consistent overall game in general. He played pretty well throughout
the game. Their success rates way higher than the Chiefs
in their passing, and it had Sean Payton feeling a
certain way after the game.

Speaker 9 (14:56):
But it's fine in those guys that can tune out
the noise, and there's been a lot of noise, like
a lot of just I won't comment on it, but anyway,
and I hear some of the narratives and I just
want to like cry, But anyway, it is what it is.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
That's your jobs.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, and I hope somebody does their job because they're
in the room laughing and the rest of us outside
of Denver have no idea what.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
The I think it's he is sad for bow Nicks.
How much criticism he's getting. That's how I read that.

Speaker 6 (15:31):
I want to know where he goes when he gives
the thousand yards stare. If I ever got in that
room to ask a question, that's probably what I would ask.

Speaker 10 (15:38):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (15:38):
I would totally derail the rest of the beat.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
When Bo was not pressured today it was twenty two
of twenty nine for two hundred and seventy three yards,
had a passer rating of one o four. All those
numbers better than the very notable quarterback who plays on
the other side of the field, Greg Rosenthal, I asked
you prior to this game. Yeah, if Bo Nicks is
able to go in get a win, essentially bury in
fork the Kansas City Chiefs at this point in the division.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Okay, fork the division. Even then, I'm not gonna fork
him just because you never know. But they are three
losses back and have a bad division record.

Speaker 3 (16:12):
Okay, does Bonnicks go up in my glorious spreadsheet and
become a part of the conversation here in twenty twenty five?
Can I award him? Points are you refusing to allow
Bonnicks to participate.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
In this, and be careful what you say because you
might make Sean Payton cry.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I'm not putting him in the conversation. You gotta trust
your eyeballs. I know that the quarterback of the number
one seed, which right now they are almost always gets
MVP votes, but now you have five. Like, if he
keeps this up, some people will give him like a
fifth place vote or something. But we got a long
way to go. I'm not ready to put him in
the conversation. But you know what he's doing is he's
kind of setting the groundwork that if he does suddenly

(16:50):
catch fire down down the stretch, you never know. The
Chiefs on the other side, Jordan, like, I still do
believe that the bones of this team are better than
the team from a year ago. And yet they are
five and five with the Colts coming into town next week,
and man, their margin for error is brutal, and it's

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out of their hands now. They are likely to be
on the road for three straight weeks if they want
to make the Super Bowl, assuming they make the playoffs,
and assuming the Broncos and the Chargers both don't collapse,
which you never know.

Speaker 6 (17:25):
One thing lou Anarumo can do to that point of
who's coming to play them next is he can mix
his coverages and send pressure in different ways the same
way that Manage Joseph did. Today the Broncos blitzed. And
I've used this phrase multiple times tonight. Let's the poop
out of Pat Mahomes fourteen times second pressures on those
fourteen blitzes. And he may have loved throwing at Jaquon McMillan,

(17:46):
but Jaquan McMillan sure loved hitting Pat Mahomes because two
of the three sacks he took against the blitz were
from McMillan. And so I think that is copyable by
a defense such as lou An Arumos that's using first
of all, has more personnel now, especially with the big
trade that they just made, and also can mix those
coverages behind the blitz the way that could be successful

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and could muddy things up for not just Patrick Mahomes,
who can see anything and everything, but specifically for the
receivers trying to find contours within all that muck, and.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
The receiver that the only receiver that he trusts to
find contours at this point is still Travis kelcey and
this is with everyone back, and you would like to
see Rashi Rice make a contested catch like he had
a chance to do. You get one from Tae Kwon Thornton,
but like Taekwon Thornton, only that's the only thing Tawk
Kwan Thornton is doing right leading the NFL in yards
per catch.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
One for sixty one.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
It was a big sixty one, But that does not
an offense make like it's hard to sustain like any
level of success when you rely on that. So it's
all Travis kelce and this group that has so much talent,
and when they're moving around and the play calls are
successful and defenses aren't standing there and waiting on them
to come through their area, they look great right now,
It's tough to have confidence in it considering this is

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multiple games a row with a bye week in between, where.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
It's looked very similar against two different teams.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Yeah, and you mentioned like getting other guys involved there.
You know, Rasi Rice and Xavier Worthy combined for sixty
three yards on fourteen targets, and the running game was
was fine like on a per run basis, but they
just don't stick with it and mahomes in the passing game,
I think to be real his MVP chances, which I

(19:25):
feel like looking forward was we're pretty high going into
this week to finally get it. Well, they've taken a hit.
They've taken a hit.

Speaker 2 (19:31):
It was tough with the buye because he got no
points for that.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah, it gives him more points with the chance because
points do escalate, but this is back to back weeks
with no points.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
In the conversation, yeah, they just have a lot of
ground to make up, and I don't think enough can
be said about the job vance Joseph is doing. Like
because it's not just the names. You know, Zach Allen
had a big play late, but it's justin Streanad. It's Robinson,
Quinarius Robinson who was not over familiar with, like making
a lot of plays. He goes playing a lot of

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snaps and then Uzerique a defensive end for them, also
like making noise. It's just it's a team that's greater
than the sum of their parts. And that is a
credit to this coaching staff who is great at everything
except for avoiding the refs. If you're watching us on YouTube,
I do just have to point out that that play
where Sean Payton is running down the sideline and absolutely

(20:25):
decks the referee. They both go down, and then the
ref with the amazing move. He's not even gonna look
back at Sean Payton before he throws the flag. He's
just gonna throw the flag. I don't even think about you,
Sean Payton. Bad job by the get back coach there
on that play.

Speaker 4 (20:39):
I don't think about you at all, you.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Know who I do think about a lot. And it
really has set up the end of this season to
be extra special. The Titans of the AFC over the
last five years, all trying to get back in the mix,
the Chiefs trying to get into the playoffs. We know,
the Ravens are now streaking, and the Buffalo Bills trying
to stay in touch in the AFC East.

Speaker 11 (21:00):
Three receivers to the left, Cook to the right of Allen,
and the shotgun. Here on second and four, Allen back
to pass, now gonna tuck it and run as he's
looking for the end zone, and the searge pushes him
in for his six touchdown of the game. He is
a beast with a Capitol beat. He is a scoring machine.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
He is a fantasy dynamo, and when you need a
win from the Buffalo Bills, you need to take a
part a defense that I thought was balanced enough and
primed to slow down this one dimensional Bills offense. Josh
Allen is the man that you want, one of the

(21:42):
only guys to ever do it. In fact, I think
is he the only guy to ever go three passing touchdowns,
three rushing udowns and he's dot it two different times.
It's incredible. That's Chris Brown. By the way, on WGR
they put a forty burger on my guy. Todd Bowles
end up winning going away forty four already two Patrick,
we both thought the Buccaneers could win this game, and

(22:04):
we were very wrong.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
Why were we wrong, Well, what we thought was going
to happen was how the game started. Because the Buccaneers
get a nice drive, they do get some yards, they
established the run very early, and Mecha Buk got a
nice game on a screen set up. They didn't necessarily
get points, but they got a great punt to pin
the Buffalo Bills down at the three yard line.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So first two.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
Snaps of the game, Gabe Davis and Josh Palmer run mash.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
They run into each other, ball hits the ground incomplete.

Speaker 3 (22:33):
Very next play, the Bucks blitz from depth and Savassier
Dennis nobody picks him up. Josh Allen has Savassier Dennis
pulling him down inside the end zone, decides he's going
to throw a two hand push pass that gets picked
off by Jacob Parrish and the Bucks.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Get the ball.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
They only get a field goal, though the Bucks had
like instant impact though for Mikole Hartman. On the ensuing kickoff,
he gets a sixty four yard return leading to a score.
It devolves into a score fest towards the end where
both teams are going back and forth, but the Bills
keep hitting these big play punches. And we saw it
with Travon Henderson against the Bucks a week ago, where
the Bucks were doing this bend and break defense, but

(23:15):
it was more break than not because James Cook had
a twenty five yard reception excuse. Ty Johnson had a
huge catch and run towards the end of the first half.
And there's this up in the play call up in
the booth, where you know Joe Brady obviously goes through

(23:35):
a lot when things don't go well for Buffalo. He
lists the Lexan the crystallized cover over the button and
he mashes the seventeen button.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Yes, and that was it.

Speaker 3 (23:46):
Like essentially, it was just all Josh Allen and the
Buccaneers defense having to adjust. Like what happened when Josh
Allen rolls, like everything is looking it's focused on seventeen
and when it was at seventeen there was big space
for other guys to make play and.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Then he's running over people.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
He just does it all and my whole thinking is
it's very tough to sustain that. Yeah, it's tough, but
he goes out and does it to the extent that
what else?

Speaker 2 (24:11):
What else are you supposed to do?

Speaker 1 (24:12):
These are the performances that you often see late in
the season. This happened early, like even when in their
first playoff run, it's like they started pressing that button,
especially with him running late in the season and then
they really took off. So like this late in the
season is starting a little earlier this year and you're
seeing plays like this Throw of the Year nominee.

Speaker 11 (24:32):
It's an empty set play clock down to two alan
in the shotgun one and there's the snap back to
pass looking left, Pumps pulls to his right, the pocket collapsing,
comes back to his left. He's it down the left
sideline for Shavers in the end zone for a touchdown.
A broken play goes for six forty.

Speaker 4 (24:53):
Three yards, Like, what do you do against that?

Speaker 10 (24:55):
That's the Josh Allen that we've come to know in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
It really was that. That's his old teammate, right, Eric
would on the call. The funny thing is a broken play,
but Josh is the one that broke it, Like it
was a three man rush with no pressure at all,
and he just starts running around and he makes something
that's true.

Speaker 4 (25:12):
That's true, good mode. I destroyed my own creation.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Which is the problem with the three man rush against
the Bills, where now you've got eleven guys watching number
seventeen and it's like, oh god, what's he going to do?

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Oh God, what's he going to do? Oh?

Speaker 3 (25:26):
I have to cover Tyrol Shavers of all people, where
it's you've got Tyrrel Shavers and Gabe Davis and Mikole Hartman,
like that's the group of people and they damned your
score fifty points.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
The crazy thing is the Bucks lost this game when
they run for two hundred and two yards. The success
soright tight. Now, they did get stuff behind the line
of scrimmage a lot in this game too, So they're
a little bit of a boomer bust running game. But
if you had told me, you know, they run for
two hundred and two yards. Sean Tucker is breaking tackles,
he goes over one hundred. He played really well. They

(25:56):
have to take Keon Coleman out of the game before
it even starts because he was late to a team
meeting and he's inactive and he's he's getting kind of
the business from his teammates. After the game, Dion Dawkins
said that his own teammate is on the hot seat.
I never heard of that one before, saying that he
needs to grow up. And yet the Bills go out
there and they have a great performance. And on the

(26:18):
flip side, the Bucks they're just not coming out. I
know early in the season they were getting They've had
a very tough schedule and they've been coming out. They're
injured still, they are still injured, but they're health They're
pretty healthy up front in terms of their offensive line.

Speaker 6 (26:31):
Because of the way that they're running the ball, Like
that's the thing. If you take out Josh Allen god
mode of this game. And I know you can't extrapolate
that the results are the results, but I still think
this Bucks team is going to be fine. You do
need cleaner play from Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield did not
do himself many favors ahead of this week's Quarterback Island,
and certainly, as Patrick noted when he came in, certainly

(26:53):
no favors in the conversation.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
No, it's it's a zero for and Greg wants Baker out,
wanted Baker in.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I'm not ready to quit him.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Yeah, in the first.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Has he been one of the is there even any are.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
You literally forgetting the entire first part of the season.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
But even Greg agree that it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
It does matter, But I don't think anyone is making
an argument that he's a top like seven quarterback in
the NFL right now.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
Like so far this season, and considering the opportunity where
this Bill's secondary has struggled against players the caliber of
a Mecca Buca, there really wasn't that opportunity today. He
got non targets, only caught five of them for forty yards.
He did have a drop in there, but there were
also some uncatchable balls thrown in rough situations where Baker
only threw FO one hundred and seventy three yards in

(27:37):
a game where they score thirty.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Two points, and ultimately you're talking about when they're going
back and forth in the second half, But the reason
the Bucks end up losing by two scores is right
when that starts, he throws a big groaner of an interception.
And he just needs to play at an MVP level,
I think, with what's been around like, he would need
to be at this level for them to be where
they want to be. So they fall to six, and

(28:00):
although you know they're still ahead in the divisions, it's
getting the game. It's getting a little closer. The Bills stay,
you know, in distance there with the Patriots. They're up
to seven and three. Let's take a break. We got
some other big leverage games in terms of playoff positioning.

Speaker 12 (28:19):
Still to go.

Speaker 13 (28:22):
Playoffs seventeen sixteen. This for the win here at US
Bank Stadium.

Speaker 14 (28:33):
Daily on the ball out of the hold of Tory
Taylor Wright hash light angle left from forty nine Cairo
Santos the eight on his white jersey, awaiting a snap
snap his back hold. His good sweeps the right leg.
Cairo Santos is up.

Speaker 11 (28:48):
He's God, God God.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
From forty eight.

Speaker 14 (28:53):
Cairo Santos bob hung the Viking logo, Bears with it
nineteen seventy Another comeback drive by Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
The Iceman coming to the Bears, kicking from the luggage. Oh,
great call there by Jeff Joniak on w MBP. Bears
win nineteen seventeen and a game that they didn't think
they were gonna have to sweat out like that. I
love Paul Allen so much. I kind of wanted to
lead with a sad Paul Allen, but you know what,

(29:25):
that was a great call and is a great moment
in recent Bears history. I know you've had a little
season pop up here or there, but you've got a
young quarterback, you've got a first year head coach, and
you just beat the Minnesota Vikings to go seven and three.
When the Bears lost that Week one game, I remember

(29:47):
saying in the post game with Chookie that felt like
an organizational type of win for the Vikings, Like they
didn't really deserve to win that game, but just like
everything's so buttoned up there. They've been in their program
for four years the are just starting out that they
just like found a way to win. That's what good organizations,
good quote unquote cultures do, And I kind of felt

(30:07):
that way, like the flip side here, that not that
the organizations are at a different spot, but that the
Bears are cleaner. They should have won this game. They
avoided their the big mistakes on offense, and even though
their defense has a long way to go, they ultimately
like had the formula and were the more mature team

(30:28):
and they deserve this split of the Minnesota Vikings to
fall to four and six?

Speaker 4 (30:33):
Like, do you know what I love about this?

Speaker 6 (30:35):
And it's the last couple of games, and certainly these
these comebacks and these late wins by the Bears so
far this season is in the late moments of these.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Games in crunch time.

Speaker 6 (30:46):
No longer are we fully thinking, oh my god, what
creative way are they going.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
To lose them?

Speaker 6 (30:53):
What horrible thing is about to happen to this football team,
because we saw the range of possibilities last season and
certainly in the cursed years prior to that.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Right, this is different.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
This is that feeling where you see your offense take
over again and have a chance to win a football
game and you have that feeling of possibility and of hope.
And I am so happy for Bears fans because that
is so hard to first of all do, but also
to quantify. And it's not mathematical, it just is right.

(31:26):
And they've been missing that it factor and they have
it now and it's beautiful really to watch this takeover
that fan base in that team.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
And I want to give Caleb Williams credit, I think
for avoiding big mistakes here. He was really great in
this game avoiding sacks. There was a play where Roma Dunze,
you know, sprints to get a fumble on a play
that they lost fifteen yards, but it was a great
hustle play. It was like one of the best fumble
recoveries of the season, certainly maybe the best. And then
Caleb Rips won for twenty three yards over the middle,

(31:57):
and he had some high level throws like that, but
ultimately like they did move the ball well on offense,
he only completes half his passes for one hundred and
ninety three yards. And that game winning drive that they're
given him credit for, it was from their kick returner,
you know, it was Devin Duverne. Setting that up. Caleb
Williams didn't have to throw a single pass. They just
ran it three straight times. But that's what I like.

(32:17):
It's been different parts of the team stepping up, because
Jordan was saying, like, you're thinking of different catastrophic ways
they could lose this game. If they lost this game,
it would have been catastrophic considering the situation that they
were in sixteen to three heading into the fourth quarter
before JJ McCarthy after a brutal performance doesn't do a

(32:37):
lot in the fourth quarter, but does do enough on
a drive that took the lead late.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, it was the run game. They kind of got
them back.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
There was the Jordan Mason touchdown before the JJ McCarthy
touchdown to Jordan Addison that gave them the lead. But
the Bears kind of, as you pointed out, avoiding the
mistakes where this was a you know, to say, I
gotta have a game. You know, Brian Flores is going
to be aggressive on defense. Caleb Williams got blitzed on.
He had thirty six drop backs and got blitzed on

(33:05):
twenty four of them. It was the second highest blitz
rate by any defense in a game this season, and
so you know, dealing with that level of pressure in
a close game and managing to take care of the
ball because the Bears offense can be kind of haphazard,
Like a lot of it is Caleb spinning around, breaking
six tackles and spitting and making like dangerous throws down

(33:27):
the sideline to like avoid those mistakes while still playing
in that in that Bear's way. I know there wasn't
a lot of statistical success, but I think we can
take something away.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I agree any he had a big throat a lovelin
at one point there. They were really good when they
needed to be situationally running the ball in short yard situations.
Manunguy's stats look horrible, but he actually had a lot
of successful short yard drunk That dude is an awesome
scron yard dude. DeAndre Swift with with some gate some
good play too on defense. Soough they were just helped

(33:57):
out by JJ McCarthy having a tough one for most
of the game.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
I don't tend to laugh, but I'm just remembering. So
Greg and I sit next to each other as we
watch these games, and mostly Patrick's with us. But then
Patrick has to go do live TV for a big
block and the and Greg is a three and a
half hours Yeah, Greg is watching this game, and every
once in a while I'll just hear him go oh JJ.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
I mean there was a hilarious Fox moment where they
started showing how much he was struggling and having Brady
explain it. This was maybe Tom Brady's best game I've
ever heard him call. He is getting better and better,
just like literally explaining things and he knows things. I
appreciate it. And he was trying to explain on some
of the misses. One of them was on our with
Todi Nominee, which was early in the game. JJ McCarthy's

(34:42):
miss to Jordan Addison and yet Tom Brady's watching this one.
He's like, yeah, yeah, I don't know what to say
about this one. And then they show another one and
he was just like, yeah, I don't know on this one.
And then the third one he's like, well, I guess
this one needs a little more touch. He was just
trying to find something and JJ McCarthy ultimately is just
like missing throws. A lot of the times, it's just

(35:05):
timing and or accuracy, but like like things are are
not close, it's tough to tell even what receivers.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
I can't I can't tell it was we're supposed.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
To be to Addison, let's actually listen to McCarthy talking
after the game.

Speaker 15 (35:18):
Absolutely sucks, gut wrenching loss for us. You know, got
to give credit to our opponent. They had a great
game plan. They played really well in all three phases.
And I need to do a better job of my
decision making. The accuracy it needs to change. I need
to be better and overall executional offense. I need to
be better on just you know, doing my job at
a higher level.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So I'll open it up to any.

Speaker 12 (35:39):
Questions, JJ, why do you think your accuracy.

Speaker 1 (35:41):
Is so offering?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Things?

Speaker 15 (35:45):
Just growing At the end of the day, you know,
there's a lot of things that I have to improve on,
and accuracy is one of them. And I promise you
I'm going to wake up tomorrow and get ready to
go to get working on that.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Yeah, under some pressure in the game, a lot of
those throws from clean pockets. I can't think of a
more pressure situation than like, hey man, why do you
spraying the ball all over the field? Minutes after he
came in. Didn't even give him a question, and he's
just like, hey, guys, yeah, I played bad, and then
the first question is why did you play so bad?

Speaker 6 (36:16):
Like woo, he was only under pressure on twenty one
point ninety percent drop backs, Guys, like whoa.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
That was the takeaway for me. Where the conditions where
I ideal, the receivers were open, the protection protection was great.
And I always repeat myself that, like the first the
thing you have to pass first to be an NFL
quarterback is like, if the protection is good, can you
look good? Because that's like that's the bar, Like a
good backup at at least is doing that like Blake

(36:44):
Bortles if the protection was good was like maybe maybe,
maybe not, you know what I mean? Like that, that's
the bar, like it you have to make those plays work,
and he didn't. It was chaotic. He was a negative
fifteen in terms of completion percentage under expected, and yet
he did do kind of the JJ McCarthy thing where
they needed a touchdown drive at the end of the game,

(37:06):
and then he did make some good throws.

Speaker 5 (37:09):
First intent from the Bears fifteen Addison in motion to
the left, takes a snap.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
Now a four man rush McCarthy to the end zone.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
Person justinn at.

Speaker 5 (37:25):
Your time they were tied Cat sixteen. JJ McCarthy done.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
I had a feeling that would be a rousing one because, yeah,
you just did not feel like the Vikings were going
to come back in that game. And now it's it's
gonna be one of them. We'll talk about it during
the week, but it's gonna be one of the more
challenging weeks. I think of the koc Era then falling
to four and six and feeling quite out of this
division race.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
But I mean the positives that you can take.

Speaker 3 (37:55):
They're in the game, they cover the kick better, they
have a chance to win, and the protection was good
for JAJ McCarthy and the receivers were open. There's a
path for it to improve. I just got to go
out there and do it well.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
Said. Let's go to Jacksonville, where the most messy fun
team in the league was kind of losing the NFL
daily support over the last not for me.

Speaker 16 (38:19):
Let's listen six cheats play on the drive hundred center
as Trevor fake to talk.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
They told to the back of the handle, good for
the touchdown, but quite.

Speaker 14 (38:30):
Think Tim Paftrick in the back of the handle the
one yard touchdown pass.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
They even extended the lead. How good is that? It
was great? Everything about the Jaguars was great. A completely
dominant effort by the Jaguars defense helps them win thirty
five to six Jordan, in a game where our friend
Aaron Shots of FTN noted there was more playoff leverage

(38:58):
in this game than any game all season long. The Jaguars,
now with the win, you know, have a better than
fifty to fifty chance to make the playoffs. If they
had loss, they were buried under twenty percent. Meanwhile, like
the Chargers, it's a loss that hurts them and they
happily get to their bye week.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
Streets are saying, Liam Cohen owns, Jesse Minter. You know
that Tim Patrick touchdown capped one of the most impressive
Jacksonville Jaguars drives I have seen in literally years. Sixteen plays,
nine minutes and eighteen seconds, a touchdown spanning between the
third and the fourth quarters, and that put the Jaguars
up twenty eight to six. This offense ran the hell

(39:36):
out of the ball all game behind Baseiel Tutan, who
did leave with an ankle injury there's no update on
that yet, and Travis Etn. They both combined together specifically
for one hundred and forty seven yards, three touchdowns, and
force thirteen misstackles by this Chargers defense the entire game.
The Jaguars finished with one hundred and ninety two net
rushing yards and the Chargers could barely get the ball back,

(39:58):
let alone put together an things sustainable on offense. By
the time Trey Lance took over, with about ten minutes
left in the game, the Jaguars up thirty five to six.
The Chargers had four net yards of second half offense
one hundred and four net yards total, and Jacksonville had
had thirty minutes over thirty minutes of possession to that point.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
It's crazy. This was the third worst offensive performance by
any team in the NFL this year, according to Shilcopatia.
That's EPBA per play one hundred and thirty five yards overall.
That's bottom five just in terms of total yard It's
a surprise because the Jaguars past us hasn't been great lately.
Let's listen to certainly their best player having a big

(40:42):
moment third down and ten.

Speaker 16 (40:45):
Jags have six defensive aces in the game.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
They got that extra safety and Rayon Lane in the game.

Speaker 16 (40:50):
Shotgun dropping is Justin Herber four man rush, scrambles away,
he gets.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Hit, He's gonna get sacked.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Josh HAIs Allen got up.

Speaker 14 (40:59):
Thirds back of the day for Jacksonville, back at the
twenty eight yard line.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
Now, after that sack, Josh just set the franchise career
record for sacks.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Congratulations to Josh Pine Palace. Oh, very cool. An unsung
hero for many years, and I know this year has
been frustrated for him because he has been near the
top of the league in pressure rate and doesn't have
many sacks to show for it. And he gets it
in a day. They were just dominant. Like what did
this look like from the Jaguars defense?

Speaker 6 (41:26):
Yeah, this was cool. So having Devin Lloyd back was
so crucial for them. You could just tell that everybody
feels more comfortable and more aggressive. Anthony Campanelli, the defensive coordinator,
can can call more things, can be a little bit
mix things up a little bit more in terms of
what he wants to do with this pressure. They made
splash plays in bunches. Josh heinz Allen. You showed the

(41:47):
sack that he had just now he got to Justin
Herbert twice once on a first down and then on
the third and long they had their they got their
hands on the ball.

Speaker 4 (41:55):
It was really fortuitous for.

Speaker 6 (41:56):
Jacksonville in for guys like Trailon and all over this
defense who had a great game that they were going
up against one of the more depleted and just questionable
offensive lines in the NFL. Trevor Penning started at left tackle.
He got benched after that second that franchise record setting

(42:18):
play that heinz Allen made after giving up five pressures
in a sack. And then they put in Austin deculs.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Declass at left tackle.

Speaker 6 (42:28):
You know, it just was And then at that point
Justin Herbert started to press He threw one of the
most non Justin Herberty interceptions you will ever see because
he just he started trying to go into hero ball
mode and he had no protection. I don't think I've
ever seen a left tackle a team just traded for
benched that quickly in a game. It was it was
not good because it was it wasn't just and it

(42:51):
and he and it was isoed too. He was single
one on one against the pass rush, and it wasn't
just that the pressures that he allowed were just like, oh,
pressures you know one dropbacks.

Speaker 4 (43:01):
They were not only were they.

Speaker 6 (43:02):
Quick pressures, but they were bad pressures where he was
getting pushed all the.

Speaker 4 (43:06):
Way backward into Justin Herbert.

Speaker 6 (43:08):
I mean, it was so confounding to me, with all
the massive human beings that they have as chippers on
this offense, why it was so iso for Trevor Penning
and then he just got yanked, like they just pulled him.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Yeah, and perhaps it's you know, feeling yourself a little
a little too much where they make the odafe O
way trade and it works out, and they go into
last week where I didn't pick the Chargers because I'm thinking, oh,
they're relying on Trevor Pinning.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
That can't be good.

Speaker 3 (43:36):
And he doesn't play us now in his first game
with the Chargers, and I'm thinking, okay, so they don't
need Trevor Pinning. Then I look up and they're playing horrible.
I'm asking George, like, is that Trevor Pinning. She's like, yeah,
he just got back.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
I said not anymore.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
I couldn't tell because I was sitting next to Jordan,
as we've established, and there was a lot of oh, Trevor,
but it actually was both Trevor scept for a little
while and you were like Trevor and I just didn't know.
There was not a great game.

Speaker 6 (43:59):
For now, not a good Trevor day, good like it was.
Trevor Lawrence is at times infuriating to watch. I'll just
say that, like I've been, I've been on this rock
for a while, but it is. He made his dumb
mistakes early, which really helped out the Jaguars because they
completely dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides awesome,

(44:20):
and that is what made the difference in this game.
And he just sort of like just let go behind
him honestly, Like I don't want to call him a
game manager. He made some nice throws, but like he
really he really just let the game go honestly, after
making a couple of mistakes early, like the worst outbreaking
throw I've ever freaking seen in my entire life that
was too slow and thrown to the defenders inside leverage

(44:44):
versus outside shoulder of the of the guy running the route,
and Dante Jackson picks it off and at that point
I'm like, are you kidding me right now? Like that seriously,
and it was this it was a slow throw, put
some juice on it. Man, like JJ McCarthy at least
has ripping these these passes, you know, and I.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
Think it's resulted in Liam Cohen. You know, they did
run the ball great. The most routes ram was Parker
Washington ran twenty routes today.

Speaker 4 (45:08):
Yeah, he's special.

Speaker 3 (45:09):
Like that's it in terms of the Jacksonville Jacks passing offense,
like Trevor has twenty two attempts where the you know,
he had the straight tebow power rushing touchdown, but like
it's kind of got hidden by.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Cohen in the offense in this game where they they
scored thirty five.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
This was this was a bad result I think for
the Chiefs and the Steelers Slash Ravens and the teams
that are trying to sneak into the back half of
the playoffs. Because the Jaguars schedule one of the reasons
their percentage to make the playoffs it's so high even
though they're not great, is like it's it's pretty favorable
down the stretch. So to get a win like this,
by the way, since they fell down, I think it

(45:48):
was twenty seven nothing in the playoff game in Jacksonville,
they have outscored the Chargers I know that was a
long time ago, and many coaches ago sixty six to nine.
That's what you deserve when you play Trevor Petty left tackle.
He wasn't. You don't think the Saints would have played
him there if they could have. I mean, he was
struggling at guard. All right, Let's go to uh met
life for a fun one in the shotgun. Winston looks

(46:11):
it over. Here's the snap. Winston shuts throws left side
of the end. Soon shot dad shut that by the killed.

Speaker 5 (46:20):
Oh, Evan Williams the levers in the left corner of
the ends and the Packers.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
To lover the dagger. Oh, it's the dagger. But it
wasn't exactly the dagger because they did get the ball
back for one last play where Micah Parsons gets a
strip sack on Jamis Winston. A thrilling and I would
say to a well played football game, they got the
fired coach bounce. I thought Mike Kafka had a good game.

(46:48):
They were up for the challenge. This thing was back
and forth, but the Packers win twenty seven to twenty.
And I know there will be a lot of complaining
about why do the Packers play with their food. The
Giants had a lot of low percentage plays, especially passing
the ball that they hit, and I want to give
Jordan Love credit. First of all, this was one of
the best games of his career, which is crazy because

(47:10):
at the end of the game I looked and it
was one hundred and seventy four yards and it's one
of those you gotta watch it because because he had
six or seven incredible plays. They only had seven possessions
in this game, so putting up four touchdowns in seven
possessions is excellent. His air yards was over twelve and
a half. A lot of his throws were tight window
throws where he almost was passing up on those short

(47:32):
throws that might have been available, but he hit him
down the field. There were a number of drops that
went against him. Josh Jacobs got hurt early in this
game did not return after halftime. They did not run
the ball particularly well, and I thought Love was really
up for the challenge with great plays. Let's actually watch
one of them to one of two Christian Watson touchdowns,

(47:53):
and they both were great plays by the receivers.

Speaker 16 (47:57):
Green Bank treading guy one gun snapped the Lovey bobble
for a moment option right side of.

Speaker 14 (48:02):
The end soun site to catch Christian Watson mile mile mile.

Speaker 11 (48:12):
Same they beat Corey Black and Christian Watson used.

Speaker 8 (48:17):
Every bit of his six four frame to go.

Speaker 1 (48:19):
Up and grab that one. Y know, Christian Watson is
he is the difference, Like he makes such a difference
because we were watching the Malik Willis drive justin uh,
rather Jordan Love gets hurt early in this game, has
to get an injury checked out for a drive in.
Malik Willis plays incredible and Christian Watson makes maybe an
even better catch on the Malik Willis touchdown throw which

(48:41):
is also so a great catch. So Watson has made
a huge difference since returning.

Speaker 3 (48:45):
Yeah, it was Malik Willis roll into his right and
you're not sure, like who's he gonna throw the ball to.
He fires a missile at Christian Watson comes who comes
back a little bit to make that grab, and you
see like a couple of flashes there of roster construction
on the way that it works where they're able to
get Christian Watson. He comes back from the ACL injury,

(49:05):
looks great in his first game back, where normally, like
you worry about a guy in this situation, like, he's not.
I'm sure he'll tell you right, he's not one hundred
percent there because it's kind of physically impossible to be
at this point while playing tackle football. But he's he's
able to make these plays, and to have a quarterback

(49:26):
like Malik Willis, who Matt Lafleur trusts, I think he
might like calling plays a.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
Little bit more. They ran the ball incredibly in the
one Malik Willis drive, including a third and long run
by Malik Willis which was a design run. Like he
started breaking out the good stuff right away, and I
started thinking, oh man, this is going to be rough
for the conversation, but then responded.

Speaker 6 (49:46):
Phil, Mom and Dad, lick your bottle back up with
water and put the cap on really tight.

Speaker 4 (49:51):
Put it back so nobody ever knows. Put the good
stuff away again, you know.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
And if Josh Jacobs is out for a while, like,
we'll see, because that is a dude that plays through injuries,
I think as much as anyone. And he returned from
this injury at first wasn't quite the same when it
was Emmanuel Wilson out there. But yeah, well before we
go to the giant side, there was also a great
Jordan Love throw to saveon Williams that I did want
to highlight too. I don't know if it's a Throw

(50:17):
of the Year nominee or anything like that, but if
you're watching it again, it was on that touchdown drive late.
He had all the time in the world Jordan Love,
and he just does what Jordan Love does well while
under total pressure, throws it in the bucket. He is
a fun dude to.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Watch when you put the Jordan Love real on.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
Yeah, all of these throws that he makes are all
fade aways. Yeah, Like he's not stepping into any of them,
and it almost feels like like you can see Jordan
Love in his body language before he does this, so
he's like watch this, and he throws this leaning back
ball where I think one of those other touchdowns was
a fade away as well.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Yeah. Michael Parsons in this game has seven quick pressures,
nine pressures overall, two sacks, four total quarterback hits. He
was awesome, But Jamis played really well. They got rid
of the ball pretty quickly. The offensive line, I thought
for the Giants played well and kind of won that
battle for the most part. They ran hard. He just
gave them a chance. It's why I don't kill the
Packers too much, because a lot of these plays were

(51:13):
like tough screens where they evade a lot of tacklers,
maybe they could have tackled better, or like third window
throws to Jamis Winston. The one thing I would, you know,
go against the Packers defense was they got to catch
the interceptions that Jamis tries to throw them, which did
happen a couple times.

Speaker 4 (51:27):
I don't, I just don't.

Speaker 6 (51:28):
I also don't think people understand quite how difficult it
is to go against a play caller who you've basically
have no tape on, Like a little bit sure, and
then maybe like some intel from the Senior Bowl or
something that he that Keofka.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
Coached, But yeah, it is so difficult.

Speaker 6 (51:44):
It is such a tendency breaker, but for your entire
game plan. So I am not surprised to see them
struggle a little bit. I think that's an outlier after
we've seen this defense improve significantly and obviously they're deploying
parsons the way that they should be, and it's incredible
to watch he he the place he made today is
the reason, especially late in the game, is the reason
you go out and trade for a guy.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Absolutely, especially on a day where they couldn't stop the
run very well. I did think Kafka provided a little
bit of a bump. It all seemed a little more cohesive,
especially the run was good.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
But pretty closely was.

Speaker 3 (52:15):
On the late GDL today with Mark Ross, who, of
course you know, was was a part of those Giants
teams that won Super Bowl, so he's very familiar with
the team and instantly when he saw that Jamis interception,
he's like, that's why Jalen Hyatt doesn't play a lot
of football.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (52:29):
And that's probably an indictment of you know, coach Kafka
figured things out.

Speaker 2 (52:34):
But also the injuries to Darius Slayton.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
I think like Wandell left for a couple of plays
in this game where really the options were very limited
for the Giants. Like I imagine if Darius Slayton is
in that position of Jalen Hyatt, we maybe having a
different conversation.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
The leading receiver every key third down conversion was by
Isaiah Hodgens, who has been buried on the Depth Star
all season. But I'm glad you pointed it out because
justice for Jamis. That was totally Hyatt heaving up on
a route was totally befuddling because he was supposed to
go to the outside there. But it was kind of
ironic because Jamis did throw two or three into the
Packers chest earlier, so he got caught. Eventually. Let's go

(53:11):
with the Packers winning that game, and it's staying, you know,
very much in the mix in the NFC North in
the NFC Wildcard to Atlanta, where the Panthers are trying
to stay alive.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Jung the staff has time rose to Tremble makes the
catch of the.

Speaker 10 (53:27):
Thirty five sticked off forty has ruled.

Speaker 17 (53:30):
There goes Tommy down the right side on across midfield.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
He's got the thirty, the twenty Tommy Tremble.

Speaker 3 (53:36):
Tommy Tremble with the thunder all the way to the
sixteen yard line.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Oh and you got a name like Tommy Tremble. You
bring the thunder fifty three yards in overtime. The Panthers
win thirty to twenty seven. That was any shrof on
w r F X Bryce Young on a day where
they couldn't run the ball at all. Patrick He finishes

(54:06):
with four hundred and forty eight yards three touchdowns, and yes,
gets the ball to tremble there to set up the
game winning field goal.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
And it's a franchise recorded erases that Cam Newton Week
two game against the Green Bay Packers in twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
It was rookie season, Cam.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Second game of his career, four hundred and thirty two
passing yards.

Speaker 3 (54:27):
Forget about all that Panthers fans, because Bryce did it.
And actually we can look back at the game.

Speaker 4 (54:32):
One quarter of the side.

Speaker 3 (54:34):
Yeah, we can look back at the game, the thirty
to zhering game as an aberration because now three of
the last four times the Carolina Panthers have played the
Atlanta Falcons, the game has gone too overtime. And it
was just a crazy sequence in this game between a
twenty five year old quarterback and a twenty four year
old quarterback where the long term viability was both on

(54:56):
the line Jordan according to our dear friend Greg Rosenthal,
and they started off without having okay.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Drugs whole rest of the season. But this is a
big game setting that up in football, it was big
whole rest of the season.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
There's give and take a big this was nice.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
So on one of the opening possessions, Panthers go for
very aggressive Dave of Canalis throughout this game. Four from two,
they get twenty one yards to get they later on
get a tenor Roll McMillan touchdown. The Panthers were up
early and then it was the twenty twenty five Falcons
a drive that was exclusively Michael Pennock Junior to Drake
London other than Bejon going in from four yards out.

(55:31):
Later in the game, after it's tied seven to seven,
Panthers get the ball and you see the bad Panthers
offense where Bryce sees Billy Bowman indicating pressure early on
in the play clock makes a check and I'm not
sure what happened. Either the protection slid the wrong way
or Bryce forgot about Billy Bowman. Either way, he hits

(55:54):
Bryce and he leave the game. Andy Dalton comes in briefly.
Bryce come back thankfully and goes on to have this
legendary game. And then on the other side, Michael Pennock Jr.
Leaves this game with a knee injury, and so you
get Kirk Cousins and when Pennix leaves the game, the
Falcons actually have the lead and they get like I

(56:15):
think two first downs with Kirk Cousins at quarterback, and
I said it as soon as Pennis.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
Went the whole rest of the game, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
It was. It was a rough performance.

Speaker 3 (56:25):
If I'll give you the specific stats as to not,
you know, be smirch the Atlanta Falcons in their offense.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, the field goal drive that they had before the
one that tied it up late was only a four
to play five yard drive, So you had two field.

Speaker 2 (56:42):
Goals on five drives for Kirk Cousins.

Speaker 3 (56:45):
He's got no passing touchdowns on fifty two attempts and
in coming in relief of Michael Pennock Junior, and the
Panthers avoid those big mistakes. They're able to get the
plays that they need. And the Falcons when they didn't
get pressure on Bryce Young, he was pretty automatic in
terms of the way this past game operated. Hit Laget
on a big touchdown where you know the career viability

(57:07):
of Bryce Young.

Speaker 2 (57:08):
Greg goes bout, I deserve it.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I deserve it. I deserve it.

Speaker 6 (57:14):
I saw Greg was out here projecting him onto his
next team.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Tweet not we still got the rest of the season go,
but this, Yeah, these are the type of games. And
I saw a tweet that called Bryce Young selectively elite,
which I thought was perfect because when you watch Bryce
Young on the right day and the right throws like
he looks incredible. But it's it hasn't been consistent enough
this season. You mentioned, you know, Pennix left the game.
Afterwards they said it was his left knee. It was

(57:41):
a strange comment from Raheem Morris. He said he could
have possibly gone back in, but also like it didn't
look great, so they wanted to stick with Kirk Cousins.
Uh there, and then Drake London who also went out
in overtime. The Falcons got the ball first and they
went three and out, but then London, you know, re

(58:03):
had a reinjury and then they declared amount It's reportedly
not serious according to Ian Rapaport, so that is some
small good news for the Falcons. Who remember Jordan were
once three and two this season with a prime time
win over the Buffalo Bills, and it has been a
nightmare since then, five straight losses.

Speaker 6 (58:23):
It feels like many many years ago that we were
celebrating not just how awesome this Falcons team looked against
the Bills, but just how complete of an attack on
both sides of the ball. It looked like and you
said it first of all when you said inconsistent, that
is the Falcons, and they fluctuate. Their highs are getting

(58:44):
lower and their lows are getting lower as well. And
I think especially when you factor in injuries and then
you hit on a two and you said the injury
is not serious, well, that also describes this Falcons team.
They're not serious to me, this is an unserious football team.
You are not serious people.

Speaker 2 (59:00):
I mean Pennix left the game.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
He was thirteen to sixteen with one hundred and seventy
five passing, facilitating in an offense that had scored twenty
one points to that, and I think he stays in
the game, goes to overtime anyway, with Kirk Cousins and
the offense essentially doing nothing taking advantage of some Panthers
mistakes where I this, this is a game where the

(59:23):
quarterback gets hurt. Yeah, and like ten points combined, and
the last three losses for the Atlanta Falcons where like
I know, like horseshoes and hand grenades and all that,
and you'd like to get some wins, but.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Back to back overtime losses. But they were finding different
types of wastelews. They also, you know, got blown out
by the Dolphins and weren't particularly competitive with the forty
nine ers. So it's like they're they're finding many different ways.
And I yet have to watch it closer to know this,
but they held Rico Daudo to a twenty five percent
success rate at least the Panthers as a team, So
it's almost like they were they were Darren Bryce to

(59:55):
beat him and they didn't do it. And Bryce, look,
he's cool under pressure and and he's a guy who
like is going to deliver when asked, just like our
friend Patrick Claybon. And I gotta think, like Patrick Claybon
was making if you're watching our show on YouTube, this
kind of motion, this kind of look, oh my gosh

(01:00:16):
when Bryce Young hit that touchdown late in the game,
and yes this is a Game Day live promo. Where
can you describe it? Patrick, You're pointing at the camera
and you're a little mischievous.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
I am I'm an awkward person. When I am taking
I have no idea to do what to do with
my hands, and the person stands there and they just
keep clicking the button, and I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Like, what am I supposed to do and.

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
So like I point collectively elite.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
Yeah, and this is the picture that they choose to
go on the graphic. And like Steve Smith Senior is
standing there all prim and proper, proper, Mark Ross, who
is the most fashionable man in America, is adjusting, you know, the.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
The bottom of his shirt.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
And Rhett looks great, and for some reason, this goofy
jerk is pointing at it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I love it both fingers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
I love it every minute. And I'd like to imagine
that that's the look that Patrick Gate when Bryce Young
found Tetuoa McMillan late in the fourth quarter. Let's take
a break by listening to this call and we'll be
back on the other side with a little NFC West Magic.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Fifteen on the clock, got third and goal from the twelve.
Young looking around, looking you'll take off to the run.
Now Crows two the end zone.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
McMillan left corner.

Speaker 14 (01:01:35):
MAT's the catch, touchdown, Carolina, touchdown, Carolina.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
First and goal from the four.

Speaker 12 (01:01:42):
Let him finish this drive back to back big plays
from cmc under center, purty toss play to McCaffrey to
the right side, cuts back left, leaves his way into
the end zone. Not once, not twice, but thrice for
McCaffrey touchdown forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
I feel like we haven't heard Justin Allegri too often
over the years. Must be a backup there on knbr
and he's stepping up in a big spot. And so
did the forty nine ers today, forty one to twenty
two on a record setting day for Jacoby Brissett. Congratulations
to Jacoby Brissett, who broke a real deal record that

(01:02:22):
had stood for over thirty years. Jacoby Brissett completed more
passes in an NFL football game than anyone has in
any game ever, forty seven out of fifty seven for
Brissett for four to fifty two. And yet they were
not competitive for most of this game, really any of
this game. A lot of good signs for the forty

(01:02:43):
nine ers before we get to the Cardinals side of it.
I think you heard it there in the call with CMC.
It was almost like after they didn't use him a
ton for one week, he had more juice. Just thought
he ran with better aggression. And maybe it was the
lanes were opening up, but I thought he was great today.
I thought George Kittle had a little more juice than
we've seen, certainly as a receiver six for sixty seven

(01:03:05):
and Dragon Defenders on a couple first downs and then yeah,
it was just great to see brock Party back in
the mix. Don't think it was much different than him
and Mac Jones. If anything, he got away with a
couple turnover worthy plays. Oh it's just true. I was surprised.
You know, you're making a look.

Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
You just couldn't wait.

Speaker 6 (01:03:23):
You could not wait to say that, You couldn't wait
to say it. Wants a controversy so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
I don't want a controversy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
No, he just he loves Mac. I just don't understand
what lost.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Come go watch this one and you'll I was shocked
it was this low, But I was like, I bet
his grade in PFF is not that good for this game,
and it was like fifty nine. It was significantly lower
than you would have, you know, expected, and lower than
but he played fine. They were wide open.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Yes, yes, you can find ways to criticize people without
tearing down other.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
People Greg comparison. It's the thief of joy, that's what
they say.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:03:59):
There's also the of getting the players in the right position.
Yack in the checks at the line of scrimmage. Christian
McCaffrey had one of his better days on the ground,
facilitating the return of Ricky Pearsall who ran more routes
than Christian McCaffrey. George Kittle ran more routes than Christian McCaffrey.
So CMC who breaks an NFL record through ten weeks

(01:04:20):
with touches, and I understand he was very involved in
the game today, not involved to the extent that he
has been. And so, as you pointed out, Greg, you
take a little pressure in terms of the volume of
carrying the football and getting hit by people that Christian
has faced. Where I think the team looked a little
better with Brock and they have all se.

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
No question X too.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
I mean, I'm not trying to say it was simpler.
Mac Jones was pushing the ball. He should be applauded
for that, but some.

Speaker 6 (01:04:48):
Of the more advanced checks and tags that they were
getting into. You know, I didn't see this entire game,
but I did see clips, some clips of it where
you could tell that McCaffrey kit veteran players who are
used to this office are more comfortable getting into those
a little bit more complicated looks with Bruck Purdy because
he's been there, he knows more levels to it.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Yeah, the only thing I was setting at was just
kidding like this was a full team performance. Like their
run game success has been so bad all season and
it was over fifty percent today. They were consistent throughout
the day. They hit their first twenty yard run of
the season. I couldn't believe that they were the last
team if you were curious to not have a twenty

(01:05:28):
yard run. I mean, wow, they made it to week eleven.
It was a CMC burst up the middle. And sometimes
it is about the defense is taking advantage of mistakes.
Because Jacoby had one bad interception one that wasn't as
bad early, but the forty nine ers made plays on
the ball, and Purdy gave the Cardinals a couple chances

(01:05:48):
early in this game and they dropped both of those chances.
And their defense in Arizona, to me, is worry time
here for Jonathan Gannon because you go to Jacoby, but
he's a defensive coach. Their defense is getting worse throughout
the course of this season, and you can, you know,
talk about the injuries and they didn't have Marvin Harrison
Junior either on the offense has been like okay, like

(01:06:11):
it's really not about the offense. Their defense really wasn't
up for the fight today or last week. And it's
getting worse and they're no longer losing those like close games.
They're losing games where they're getting blown out in the
division and are just so clearly fourth behind these other
two pre grade teams.

Speaker 3 (01:06:26):
And it's worse as the season's gone on, to the
extent where you know this this happens a few weeks ago.
Maybe we feel different about the Arizona Cardinals, but we
felt good about them where we thought like, hey, maybe
the Seahawks figured out this whole run game thing, and
it turns out maybe this was the Cardinals defense a
little bit on the decline, where I know, like brockbying

(01:06:48):
Back made everything better for the forty nine ers. But
to have this game from Jacoby Brissett, and yeah he
didn't play perfect, but considering like what they were up
against in terms of what they needed to do to
score the football is a great, great Jacoby game where
he's a couple of drives and turnovers away from throwing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
From Frank And I don't buy that it was all meaningless.
I know it was pretty quickly, like twenty five to ten,
but they were showing that they were going to move
the ball the whole day. So if the defense had
ever stood up just a little bit for them, the
Cardinals defense, I think Jacob could have gotten him back
in this game. Shout out to Drey McBride who was
just getting in all sorts of fights and annoying people
and penalties and goes over one hundred yards, but Michael

(01:07:28):
Wilson goes fifteen for one p eighty five in this game.
Shout out to the fantasy streamers out there that were
bold enough to play.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Michael Wilson got a chance to be the wide receiver
one with no touchdowns, which was which will be a crazy,
crazy stat line that is incredible.

Speaker 4 (01:07:46):
Order and balance has been restored.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Yes, the NFC West, the forty nine ers are back, Yes,
at least their offenses, and the Seahawks and the Rams
are dominant.

Speaker 4 (01:07:56):
And then there's the Cardinals.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
And to close my gannon point, they had seventeen penalties today.
That was the most of any team in the NFL
since twenty nineteen, and they had them all I think
in the first like forty six minutes of this game.
They were like, basically the first three quarters of this game.
They had seventeen penalties, So that does not speak well

(01:08:18):
for the coaching. A good day for a couple teams
battling at the bottom of the wildcard race, the Panthers
and the forty nine ers, and they made it a
whole lot harder for teams like the Vikings or really
anyone else to try to sneak into that race. All right,
let's go over to the AFC, where the Texans haven't
given up on this season yet.

Speaker 8 (01:08:38):
Here's the spot, here's the chick, it's god.

Speaker 11 (01:08:42):
The Texans winning at the buzzar and they get back
to five hundred, they drive down the field for the
game winning field goal.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Houston five and five. I love a call from Mark
vandermir Kilt that provides a little context. Three out of
four in terms of wins for the Houston Texans, these
last two came with Davis Mills at quarterback. They win
sixteen to thirteen. Jordan in a game that caused you

(01:09:15):
to groan a lot, sure did not in a positive way.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Nope, thanks for clarifying that Cam Woard did everything he
could with a depleted receivers room to tie this extremely
gross game at thirteen all In fact, let's roll this
video while I'm talking of.

Speaker 4 (01:09:36):
His throw too tight and Chigo kon quo.

Speaker 6 (01:09:39):
It's a third and long after a false start, of course,
and then Ward takes a sack, of course, but he
breaks out this beautiful, beautiful deep show I'm made is
just gorgeous, and it's sort of the story of his
rookie season. It sets the Titans up for the game
tying touchdown. And I turned to my left and I
say to Greg, Greg, if this game goes into overtime,

(01:10:01):
I am going to walk into the lake at Sofiet.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
Oh, how rude.

Speaker 6 (01:10:04):
Well, we should have known that Davis Allen had the
Titans right where he wanted them. He completed a gorgeous
third and sixteen pass, better catch by Nico Collins, who
gets seventeen yards needed sixteen toe taps it on the sideline,
eventually sets up a game winning field goal that you
heard at the top of the call. And the best
thing I can further add about this game is that

(01:10:25):
it is now over.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Oh how rude. Almost as rude as when he got
the ball. Davis Mills with a chance to go win
the game. You said legacy drive time for Davis, and
I thought you are so unfamiliar with this man's game.
I mean his win with Lovey Smith as his coach,

(01:10:46):
That the game that the Texans didn't want him to
win to knock them out of the number one seed
and eventually have CJ. Stroud. Bryce Young probably would have
been a Houston Texan if not for that win was
part of three game winning drive back in twenty twenty two,
the only three games the Texans won that year. We're
game doing drives by Davis Mills and now he's dot

(01:11:06):
it twice.

Speaker 8 (01:11:07):
In a row.

Speaker 6 (01:11:07):
Here. What I'm saying he defines his legacy, He's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:11):
Just cementing it as a guy who you can trust
in the clutch.

Speaker 4 (01:11:14):
And that is not a stretch WO.

Speaker 3 (01:11:16):
In a game where you know, in Jordan's defense because
Greg was watching the you know, Drew Brees on the
call in the Jamis game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:24):
Oh, I forget Willis Is coming in.

Speaker 3 (01:11:26):
I'm watching this Calculator Bowl between Baker Mayfield and Josh
Allen and Jordans over there, like, hey, guys, well to guess.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
What the score is?

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
I guess what the score for?

Speaker 6 (01:11:37):
Like that game exists, Yeah, it's by halftime. These two
quarterbacks have only completed twenty three passes between them. The Texans'
best drive on offense was their first possession until that
the game winning field goal set up at the end.
They did move the ball, but they turned it over
on downs like right at the goal line. And then
the Texans defense just did the thing that they are
always asked to do and have to do and must

(01:11:58):
do and are equipped to do, which was set up
the team to salt the game away when they're up
there but thirteen to six on multiple occasions, and it
was back to back to back Houston series defensive series.
In the fourth quarter, a sack fumble by Will Anderson
Junior and then a sack by Danil Hunter and then
a tackle for loss on a third and medium screen
with about ten minutes left, all the Texans.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
Had to do, which just like truly salt this away.

Speaker 6 (01:12:24):
But the Texans already showed they can't really do that
even with CJ. Stradd at quarterback. So this was like
a reverse saulting in which the defense just kept shortening
the you know, the time of possession and just kept
giving them more bites at the Apple, and they couldn't
do it until finally they almost had no other choice
and they had to go down and set up a

(01:12:44):
field goal because cam Ward had played and made an
unbelievable play on the other side.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
So they're five and five, they're tied with the Chiefs.
They're tied with a Ravens team we're about to talk
about with Nick Schuok in just a little bit. And
I do like because this defense, to me, it's nice
to have one defense that you just know what you're
getting every week. That truly is that awesome, which is
why I give a lot of credit to the Titans today.
Maybe not a lot, but they kept the pressure rate

(01:13:10):
super low on came where they had no running game
to speak of, and yet their success rate and the
ability to hit that drive at the end, like that
shows some progress that they were able to do some
positive things. The Texans are still play they're plus fifty
seven scoring differential on the season, Like there is a
team hidden in there that can still do it and
maybe maybe c J. Stroud. Let's get it done for all, right,

(01:13:31):
let's go to Madrid. This feels like a long.

Speaker 4 (01:13:35):
That's what the score is, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
Time ago, very similar in game shape and score to
the one we just talked about.

Speaker 17 (01:13:43):
A twenty and nine yard field goal to win it
for the three and seven Miami Dolphins, bull Is down
kick is up on its good to Riley Patterson. He's
the field goal of the day and the Miami Dolphins
ree Spain with a sixteen to thirteenth victory over the

(01:14:04):
Washington Commanders, knowing that their upcoming schedule off to the
by includes the Saints, the Jets, the Steelers, and the Bengals.
He's this season still alive for the four and seven.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
The Dolphins the path I love it, Will Gavin of
Top Sport Ellieah not for the last time this year
because he's going to be doing a show with us
on Black Friday. There it is, and we have one
more call from this game, sixteen to thirteen Dolphins win.
On one hand, you can see the path for the
Dolphins because of the schedule. On the other hand, you

(01:14:38):
could watch this game and not think they've taken a
gigantic step forward. H I actually think the fourth and
one decision Patrick by Mike McDaniel to eschew a field
goal to take a lead at the end of regulation
when you're inside the five yard line was the most

(01:15:01):
interesting part of this game. He literally chose to not
take the lead, And I thought of Patrick Claybon in
that moment and thought, there are some cases where field
goals are good. Now I think that was one of those.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
It's because you heard it with the end of the
first half interview where Dan Quinn said, Hey, we're not
gonna win this game with field goals. We're gonna win
it with touchdowns, and both coaches in the final moments
prove that because three points is not as many points
as seven.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
And nobody wanted to win this game.

Speaker 3 (01:15:29):
Okay, told, the circumstances forced Mike McDaniel to kick a
field goal to win the game, which is something both
teams could have done several minutes before.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Okay, So for context, the previous drive, the Commanders chose
not to kick a field goal, not quite as close,
but very close on the goal line where Zach Ertz
unfortunately stumbles out of his route and they failed to
take the lead. It was a game that started actually
with both teams going on super long drives, wanting to

(01:15:59):
go for it on four down, and then both having
delay of game penalties. So that they couldn't even do it.
It was all tough. And the reason why I really
did not like that call, even before I promise, was
that they couldn't convert in short yardage all day. So
sometimes you gotta have a feel of your team. This
was not a good short yardage team the Miami Dolphins,

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no matter if they ignored offensive coordinator Tyreek Hill and
gave it to Devon a chan in up the middle,
a play that you know, Tyreek Hill hates, or gave
it to Ali Gordon or to had to a throw
like their short yardage was a disaster all day, or
they would have won this game much easier, but they
didn't because they wanted to keep everyone watching NFL Network.
Stretch it out, stretch it out.

Speaker 4 (01:16:40):
Yeah, that's why.

Speaker 6 (01:16:41):
Sure, totally I posited the query maybe messy fun team,
maybe kind of on the verge of being a mess Dolphins,
the Miami Dolphins, because definitely, you know, Will Gavin said
it as eloquently as he always does. There is a path.
We've been sort of hinting at it and talking about it.

(01:17:02):
There is a path for this Miami Dolphins seem to
at least keep things interesting down the stretch, and it
starts with going a billion miles away and winning a
game as gross as this was, and nobody seemed to
actually want to win this game for a significant portion

(01:17:23):
of it. I don't know, there's something about they're just
not quitting. They're just not quitting. And you know what,
Mike McDaniel is far from this frazzled despondent like he's
not you know, late season injury riddled Kyle Shanahan.

Speaker 4 (01:17:39):
Right now he is.

Speaker 6 (01:17:40):
He's like sitting in press conferences and asking Ali Gordon
questions right behind your your friend Henry Hodgson.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
He's driving the car past the Bills thing he had
past the Billings.

Speaker 4 (01:17:52):
Doing bits like this. This guy is at least going.

Speaker 6 (01:17:55):
If he's going to go out, he's going out in style,
on his terms. And that makes a possibly a messy
fun team here, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Just can't they just have to avoid stepping their toe
and they probably should have.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
Have such a soft spot for McDaniel too, and like,
I just, you know what, I can't quit this team.

Speaker 4 (01:18:11):
I just can't.

Speaker 3 (01:18:11):
Well, the team needs to quit because this isn't a
this year type thing in gold to go situations where
Dolphins need short yardage. It's either galaxy brain mess or like, well,
I'm sure we bring in our power back and we'll
get it this time. Where it's like this is this
is multiple years where they haven't been able to be
successful in that capacity and there's no there's no there there,

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there's no place where they can lean on it. It's
like we'll try to get a cham the ball with
some blockers around and hope you can make a play
that they just they can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:18:43):
They can't.

Speaker 4 (01:18:43):
You can't control when the gummy hits.

Speaker 1 (01:18:45):
When, yeah, when they're in year four of also barely
getting to the line of scrimmage in time, and then
it's so stressful watching them to emotioning someone with two
seconds left on the playcock and I swear they hit
zeros on the playcock and it he should been called
for about seventeen delay of games. I'm just like, stop
motioning him with two seconds. Just hurry up to a

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hurry up.

Speaker 4 (01:19:06):
Coaches, We're so done with it.

Speaker 6 (01:19:07):
Patrick's head in his hands, Greg's voice is raising and I'm.

Speaker 4 (01:19:10):
Like, give it to me.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
Javon Hchan, though he had one hundred and sixty five
yards in this game of the team's three hundred and
eleven yards. They ran for one hundred and sixty nine
yards overall. He is freaking awesome. Shout out to Marcus Mariota, who,
through a regrettable interception in overtime. Before that, if it
had just been regulation, played a really good game, I thought.
But before overtime, apparently Jack Jones told the front seven

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Jordan Brooks, if y'all stop the run, he's gonna throw
me the ball because he can't throw. And it was
a bad interception.

Speaker 2 (01:19:42):
I just didn't deserve that.

Speaker 1 (01:19:44):
He doesn't really deserve that. But Jack Jones was saying
the Raiders should have never gotten rid of him on Twitter.
He might have been having some of those postgame bruise
or something from the sound of it before we leave
this game and we leave the International Series. Congratulations to
Henry Hodgson and the entire in a Nationals biggest slate
ever seven games, and yes he now is getting memed

(01:20:06):
in a picture of Mike McDaniel in that press conference.
Let's also listen to one last Will Gavin call. This
was the Deebo Samuel touchdown. Early Deebo Samuel going you
most from left to right.

Speaker 17 (01:20:17):
Two receivers not that early.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
The first touch.

Speaker 17 (01:20:23):
Fifty He's got an angle to the to the ends
of touchdowns, twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Yard across the formation. Run to Deebo.

Speaker 17 (01:20:34):
Samuel on the quick pause, how do we have a first?
I have a touchdown home Spanish soil.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
How he goes to Washington?

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Oh, I just love the way he says commandos. Fun day.
We learned how Patrick likes the point. Oh my god,
we learned Uh how Jordan more noises is like not
so secretly becoming a Rams fan. I don't know you
were into that game and.

Speaker 4 (01:20:58):
People do this. That's the thing I like.

Speaker 6 (01:21:00):
I twelve years as a beat writer of various teams,
and I never got to be like enjoy team right.
I mean I enjoyed all of them, but I never
got to like truly and just even dipping my toe
into the waters stressful.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Not for me, It's very stressful for me. You know
who's cool under pressure, It's Nick Schuck. We're gonna hit
those games. Next, we're gonna say goodbye to Patrick and Jordan.
Let's go to Cleveland.

Speaker 16 (01:21:23):
It's fourth and one from the Cleveland thirty five. The
decision has made. They'll go for it. Touch push formation,
Mark Andrews under center, takes a snap reel Zone's rolls
on his own.

Speaker 11 (01:21:36):
He's of the thirty Andrews of the twenty ten.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Five touch down Ravens. Oh, what a creative call.

Speaker 11 (01:21:45):
And Mark Andrews goes from the push push to the
big bad sprint.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
Now the Ravens have the lead. Uh Smiles all around
for Ravens coaches, Ravens fans, and Rod Woodson with his
uh oh my to Chris Wesley and there he gone.
That was also Jerry Sandusky on WBAL. That was one
of the coolest play calls of the day. Yes, Mark
Andrews with the longest touchdown run for a tight end

(01:22:14):
follow me here since Jackie Smith in nineteen sixty eight.
That great stat was by Josh Dubo of the Associated Press.
The Ravens hold on to that lead to win twenty
three to sixteen in a complicated games shook that included
a lot of Seder sanders after halftime. You can start

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this recap wherever you want, because a lot went on
in this game.

Speaker 18 (01:22:39):
Oh wow, Actually, you know what, Given the chance to
start it anywhere, I'm not exactly sure where I'll go.
There was one sequence in this game, Greg where we
almost got interception interception interception on back to back to
back plays on three straight plays like that kind of
just typifies how weird of a game this was. The
Browns defense forces a couple of interceptions turnovers via interceptions.

(01:23:00):
Lamar's statline looks worse than he was, but he wasn't great.
The Browns offense is still the worst in the NFL,
no matter who's playing quarterback. And ultimately Baltimore did what
they do, which is they go into the fourth quarter
of what is essentially a rock fight and they find
a way to get it done with the creative play
call on fourth and one where they show as if
they're going to sneak and instead Mark and Andrews goes
around the end and proves just how athletic he is

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out running Carson Sweznar to the end zone and that's it.
That's the difference. The Bravens win. They've won their fourth
in a row. They are right on the stealers heels
and everything is as it should be.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
Right, it's a game. If the people out there weren't watching,
and I don't think many were, because that was a
spicy late game window where you had a great four
h five game that's kind of overshadowing the national game,
which is Patrick Mahomes going against the Broncos. And then
there's this game too. They were trailing sixteen to ten
in going into the fourth and it's not like they

(01:23:51):
did it quickly. They actually tied the game on two
field goal drives, the second of which was under five
minutes to go. So they're trailing under five minutes to
go before they finally take that lead with Mark Andrews,
you mentioned his stat line for Lamart wasn't great because
he had the two interceptions, both off deflected passes. Those
were kind of bad luck. But ultimately, you know, the

(01:24:13):
Browns defense did more than their job. Miles Garrett with
four sacks is is just getting crazy what Miles Garrett
is doing. But I got to ask, because I did
not watch it late, how was the Shador Sanders experience
and was it as bad as the box score looked?
Four for sixteen for forty seven yards, An interception and

(01:24:33):
two sacks taken by Schadur came in at halftime after
Dylan Gabriel suffered a concussion.

Speaker 18 (01:24:40):
The interception rivaled the Justin Fields interception that was thrown
last week against the.

Speaker 8 (01:24:44):
Browns as one of the worst of the year, but
he was also.

Speaker 1 (01:24:47):
Put it on the bard. Eric, I know we're not
going to watch it right now, but put it on
the board.

Speaker 18 (01:24:51):
Yeah, yeah, keep it in mind because it was he
perfectly split his two receivers and the guy between the
two receivers was Nate Wiggins for an interception. He was
under a lot of pressure, but he did a lot
of That's what I thought he would do if you
watched the Browns in their preseason game against the Rams
and he came in and he just held out of
the ball forever and forever and forever and took a
bunch of sacks. Folks then chalked it up to while
he's playing with a bunch of guys who aren't going
to be on the offensive line a couple weeks, not

(01:25:12):
even gonna be on the roster in a couple of weeks.
But you saw a lot of that tonight too, and
that's kind of indicative of the Browns offense as a whole.
They get a third and long, every team is blitzing them,
every team sending additional rushers after them because they know
that they can't hold up long enough to protect either
of these guys. And these guys aren't capable of throwing
the ball down the field, Gabriel because of our lack
of arm strength. Shador because he doesn't decide quick enough.

(01:25:34):
He just holds out of the ball too long. I
think his average time to throw was north of three seconds,
which is not good when you are a pocket passer,
if you're a play extender, if you can be a
Jalen Hurts and move around and survey and that sort
of thing, that's okay, that's passable, that is not okay
for Shador Sanders.

Speaker 8 (01:25:47):
So it was his first start.

Speaker 18 (01:25:48):
It came in at the second half, and you could
understand if he was, you know, not maybe entirely mentally,
just ready to go because you just get thrown in there.

Speaker 8 (01:25:56):
And he did do a couple of good things.

Speaker 18 (01:25:57):
He threw a really nice first pass when the field,
he scrambled for a first down for five yards, which
was the Browns first third down conversion of the day
and one of only two for the whole day.

Speaker 8 (01:26:06):
Oh my l offense. And he had a good throw
in the fourth quarter on that last drive.

Speaker 18 (01:26:10):
But ultimately he's he doesn't make any difference, just like
Dylan Gabriel doesn't make any difference.

Speaker 8 (01:26:15):
It's a bad offense.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Yeah, the offensive line is so brutal, and you mentioned
the good throw. He had a twenty five yard or
up up the seam to Fannin and they jen Jerry
Judy makes a couple guys miss on a short throw
on a third and ten, and actually, just a couple
plays later, he does have a chance to be the hero.
Shader Sanders is rolling out on kind of a scramble
drill has Isaiah Bond pretty open for a potential touchdown.

(01:26:39):
It's not a play where you can like set your
feet and it's gonna look beautiful, so you don't kill him.
But he did have a moment where it's like he
could have been the hero and capped in incredible drive.
He missed that throw by quite a bit and then yeah,
they end up not getting the first down a couple
plays later. Are we concerned at all? And I know
it was against Cleveland, so maybe that answers it. That

(01:27:00):
the Ravens offense during this winning streak and they've won
four in row, they're now five and five, still hasn't
really looked like the Ravens offense to me, shook. Are
you concerned?

Speaker 8 (01:27:12):
Yeah, we go back to that Miami game. Was that
a Thursday night or yesday?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Thursday?

Speaker 18 (01:27:16):
I remember, okay, and because I know we did a
show about it, and they ended up with you know,
Lamar ends up with four touchdowns and they kind of
got together in the second half, but it was very
much like just in big spurts, like it wasn't consistent
over the course of that game. The Miami game or
not Miami. The Minnesota game last week was pretty ugly.
It was it was like a forty seven minute condensed
replay despite being twenty seven to nineteen.

Speaker 8 (01:27:36):
And as I started, I go, there's no way.

Speaker 18 (01:27:38):
And then I get into the fourth quarter, I'm like, now,
I see how we got the forty seven minutes, which
is long for a condensed game. So and it was
they struggled again to night, but the Brown's defense is
very good. I am a little concerned, but I'm really
not that concerned with Lamar's play. He's just been a
little touch offf in the accuracy department. Their running game
has not been as consistent as I would like. Now,
Dereck Henry became the first rusher to break a hundred
yards against the Browns defense this season, so hat tipped him.

(01:28:00):
But it's not a constant presence for them. They're just
not in no rhythm right now. Would you expect when
you miss your quarterback for so many weeks, I would
imagine over the next month they are going to get
it together. They also play I believe the Jets are
on the schedule next and then the Bengals. They'll probably
get right in those two games, and we won't be worried.
So that's why I'm not too worried.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Yeah, they avoided a landmine tonight. This would have been
a huge loss. They don't ever shot Bateman out there.
They're not really getting the secondary receivers involved too much.
And yeah, as I mentioned, Miles Garrett four sacks on
the day, one of I believe only five players ever
to have three four sack games in his career. He
now has fifteen on the season. Michael Strahan, watch, he's

(01:28:39):
got a chance to go try to set the single
season record. Let's go to Pittsburgh. Let's stay in the division,
the team that the Ravens are trying to catch.

Speaker 19 (01:28:48):
Placo gets a snap back to pass you others bringing
five flack over the middle of the field, It's picked
off bitch Dugger. Dugger to the forty yard line, preaching
across the fifty to the forty looking for a plot
from herby.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
He gets a trick you down the left side.

Speaker 19 (01:29:01):
Then Mitch chiefsmiss and waltzes into the end zone. Dougger
a seventy two yard interception return.

Speaker 8 (01:29:10):
For a touchdown for the Steelers.

Speaker 1 (01:29:14):
Oh, Kyle Dugger the pickup of the year. Take the
glass slipper off of Joe Flacco and see if it
fits for Kyle Dugger. He's made a pretty big difference,
considering they gave up a sixth to seventh round pick
swap for him. Thirty four to twelve. Steelers win this
game going away, even though for most of it it

(01:29:36):
felt like it was more of a defensive struggle than
we expected.

Speaker 18 (01:29:40):
Nick Schuck, Yeah, And do you know, Frankly, you gotta
give the Bengals defense a bit of credit because for
the first time in ages, they were keeping the Bengals
in the game because their offense wasn't Their offense was
struggling mightily to finish drives. It was It was very
much a defensive battle here, and yet the way this
game kind of devolved and then you know, win in
the favor of the Steelers makes me think this may
be the one that buries the Bengals permanently. Yeah, and

(01:30:02):
it's because on a day that you get a good
defensive performance like this final score suggests that, oh they
gave up thirty plus again defensively. No, it was two
defensive touchdowns, like the defense did a good enough job
to keep him in this game, but instead it was
the Steelers defense making a difference.

Speaker 8 (01:30:18):
Classic Steelers played.

Speaker 18 (01:30:19):
Their cover one Robert Kyle Duggas playing the robbery he's
running down underneath, and an inexplicable interception you know, thrown
by Joe Flacco, and then they maximize that a close
game that became a blowout, became a bit of a laugher,
and I think again could be one of those final
nails in the Bengals coffin.

Speaker 1 (01:30:34):
Yeah, with four minutes to go in this game, the
Steelers offense, which had Mason Rudolph at quarterback starting in
the second half of this game, because Aaron Rodgers suffered
what Adam Schefter is referring to as a small break.
I believe in his left wrist. I don't know. I mean,

(01:30:57):
I know there's different severities and everything, but break is
a break. That's not a good sign. Mason Rudolph is
that quarterback. Before that last four minute stretch, the Steelers
offense only had thirteen points. It was just off that
pick six plus another at thirteen and then eventually the
door gets knocked over by Kenneth Gainwell and Mason Rudolph

(01:31:20):
and Darnell Washington in a game that was spicy. Tell
us a little bit about the Jamar Chase fracas, I'll
say with Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 18 (01:31:30):
Yeah, this game was Look okay, first off, it's AFC
North with Nick Shook this week, which is great. So
let me bring you into the AFC North corner here
and understand, help you understand why these teams hate each
other so much.

Speaker 8 (01:31:40):
Okay, Cincinnati little brother in the division.

Speaker 18 (01:31:42):
For a long time, Pittsburgh always represented one of the
kings of the division them in Baltimore. Cincinnati is always
wanted to be there, and they got there over the
last few years. But they feel themselves slipping out of
that right now in a division that's very much for
the taking. So you go to Sunday, and the Bengals
need to win. They've won once with Joe Flacco as
their starter. They're desperate for one. Steelers are desperate to
prove that no, we're not blowing our lead in the
AFC North, we are going to prove that we're better

(01:32:04):
than the Bengals.

Speaker 8 (01:32:05):
It's chippy, and it gets chippy in the.

Speaker 18 (01:32:07):
Second half where after Jalen Ramsey blasts Jamar Chase in
an incoplete pass and they have, you know, exchanged some words.
I'm like, keep an eye on that because both those
guys like to talk a lot of trash. Well, eventually
they start talking trash in a sequence here. Now, mind you,
this play here in the in the second half is
a key fourth down one in which it seemed like
the Bengals were just bluffing and they weren't actually gonna
go for it.

Speaker 8 (01:32:27):
They were gonna punt in the stoppage of play.

Speaker 18 (01:32:29):
After the Bengals call a timeout, Jamar Chase and h
Jalen Ramsey get into a bit of a scuffle. And
it's not the first time that these teams were brought together.
And you're what you're seeing right now if you watch
on YouTube, is Ramsey throwing punches, grabs the face mask
with his left hand, throws a right cross that gets
im ejected, and then we think, wow, Jalen Ramsey just
flew off the handle. No, what we find out later

(01:32:51):
is that, for the second time this season, at least
to my memory, m hm, somebody decided to spit on
somebody else and that's what caused the Franks.

Speaker 8 (01:33:00):
Jamar Chase spitting on Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 (01:33:02):
He denied it.

Speaker 18 (01:33:02):
After the game, so I didn't spit on anybody, but
you can there's very clear field level video that he
spit on Jalen Ramsey.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
Yeah, if you wanted to be generous to Jamar Chase,
you could say he was so out of his mind
in that moment that he legitimately forgot that he did
it or convinced himself that he didn't actually do it.
But unfortunately, there's video of it and he definitely did it,
which means for the Bengals, Jamar Chase is almost certainly
going to be suspended for the next game.

Speaker 9 (01:33:27):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:33:28):
I think we established the precedent when it comes to
Jalen Carter in the first game of this season and
Jalen Ramsey also explained earlier. A few plays before I
think exactly the play before that, Chase had actually grabbed
Ramsey's mouth guard out and Ramsey was saying, look, I'm
all for trash docking. I love trash talk, and you know,

(01:33:49):
he grabbed my mouthguard and so we got into it.
But whatever. Then we just started trash talking again. But
when he spit, yeah, no bueno. He couldn't take it anymore.
On a day that was extremely frustrating for Jamar Chase
only three catches on ten targets for thirty yards. And
I just expected this Joe Flacco story, how everything been great,

(01:34:12):
not that he was like awful in this game, to
just run out a little bit of steam at some point.
And he's a guy who just has struggled against pressure.
And he was six of twelve for fifty eight yards
with an interception and some sacks in there under pressure.
Today wasn't good enough. Before we leave this game, I
do want to give some love to our guy, Darnel Washington,
who man, we've been putting him in the spotlight all

(01:34:32):
season in Dublin. I thought he was the player of
the game. I think he's putting together an offensive player
of the Year candidacy with plays like this.

Speaker 19 (01:34:40):
So Rogers in the shotgun has gained well to his
right fifty one seconds remaining as he gets a snap
back to pass looking fires over the middle of the
field complete to Darna Washington.

Speaker 1 (01:34:49):
Oh, he shut down him again and.

Speaker 14 (01:34:51):
Then wars his shoulder robbling down the left sideline.

Speaker 1 (01:34:56):
He shuck him off with.

Speaker 19 (01:34:57):
His stiff arm and got down the left sid sideline
inside the thirty five yard line of the Bengals out.

Speaker 1 (01:35:03):
Of the thirty one.

Speaker 5 (01:35:04):
No Jake break on this in my trailer, fellows, that
was a truck ramp.

Speaker 7 (01:35:09):
Darnaut Washington stuff farm is the first guy, lowers the
boom on Gino Stone, stays on the tightrope, and then
smoke the third defender.

Speaker 1 (01:35:18):
That is it all timer. They make these these videos
shook that they put on NFL Plus or whatever, like
the like the craziest stiff arms in history, Like it's
gonna make that list. But then to finish it off
by running over ginostone. That is one of the all
time I'm the man plays like in NFL history. I

(01:35:41):
love me some Darnau Washington, who, by the way, also
had a play where it was the biggest man I've
ever seen hurdle in opponent. So Darnault Washington is just
putting fun on tape and I am here for it.

Speaker 18 (01:35:53):
Shook, Yeah, shout out to Kyle Brandt, the master of
angry runs. I think you found your winner for twenty
twenty five were a number eighty. They affectionately know him
in Pittsburgh as Mount Washington ran over a few guys
on that one.

Speaker 8 (01:36:05):
There's your winner.

Speaker 1 (01:36:06):
And he also, like is a huge part of this
passing attack. He had four catches for sixty seven yards.
They're they're not really getting dk metcalf On tracked consistently.
He did have forty nine yards on eight targets. But
it was a lot of Kenny Gainwell because Jalen Warren
got hurt. It was a lot of Nick herbig rushing
the passer. And yes, there was a lot of Steelers.
Big win for them to stay one game up on

(01:36:28):
the division. Shook his sticking around and we're going to
talk about one of the biggest games of a great week.
Eleven slate. Yes, let's wrap up with Eagles and Lions.
Goff Beck, you're a coups of wash. He's hit, He's hit, Dailey.

Speaker 5 (01:36:51):
Cos the whole coups loose, the Kobe Tea and him.

Speaker 10 (01:36:57):
This is where Fangio is at his best. He can
down them up a way to break down the protection,
get hits on the quarterback like nobody's business. Nikobe Dean
just ran right through the face mask of David Montgomery
on his way to the quarterback.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Jared Golf, Oh, it's tough to find a highlight on
Sunday Night football, but we had to start with that
Eagles defense. Na Kobe Dean with a quarterback sack and
another quarterback hit to throw in in a sixteen to
nine performance. That was Merril Reese and Mike Quick on
WIP and I picked that highlight Shook in part because

(01:37:37):
of what happened right afterwards. The Lions didn't snap the
ball till they had about five seconds left on the
play clock. It was about as close as you'll ever
see in an NFL game to an offense just saying
I give up too good. I don't want to be
here anymore. We're supposed to be hurrying up here, but frankly,

(01:37:59):
like we're cold, we're not getting any yards anyways. Why
hurry because we're just gonna be unsuccessful on our next play. Anyways,
that is what they were. Then they kicked the field goal.
It didn't matter. They weren't getting anything through the air.
And what a defensive performance on a night Jared goth
finishes fourteen of thirty seven and the Eagles defense carries

(01:38:22):
them to a victory. What stood out to you from
this defensive performance.

Speaker 18 (01:38:28):
I mean that what we saw against the Packers wasn't
a fluke, right, that this Eagles defense is for real
and it wasn't just a flash of the pan last week.
And it's not just the addition of Jalen Phillips. It's
everything coming together at all three levels. You know, you
heard Chris collins Worth kind of rave about their depth
throughout this game, but it is true. The performance of
Nacobe Dean in coverage. Nacoby Dean is a rusher like

(01:38:48):
he's just one of many key parts in this defense,
and they're all coming together at the perfect time and
it has become the strength of their team. Because by
the way, that final score tells you what you need
to know about their offense. They weren't getting much done
offensively either, but it doesn't matter when you have a
defense that can absolutely squeeze the life out of a
high powered offense, and like you said, make them wave
the white flag. We're ready to get back on the buses,

(01:39:10):
go back to the airport and fly on.

Speaker 1 (01:39:11):
I couldn't believe it, and it was a great performance
by Jamir Gibbs individually. He ends up with one hundred
and forty six yards from scrimmage, making people miss on
a couple catch and run. So Goff's total yardage doesn't
look as crazy, But I was looking for the stat
that really explained everything in this game. I think the

(01:39:32):
closest I got well first of all GoF seven for
twenty four in the second half of this game is
just that's crazy for Jared Goff. And yes, a lot
of them were against pressure, and his numbers against pressure
are insane. He went one for fourteen in this game
against pressle It's just crazy. But there were a couple
throws too where he wasn't even pressured and he was

(01:39:54):
so spooked that he's getting rid of the ball too
quickly and dirting the ball and missing pass. Says. They
had a pressure rate of only a forty one percent,
which is really high. Despite Goff getting rid of the
ball quickly and them only blitzing twelve percent of the time.
So what that tells me is that Jalen Phillips with
four pressures in this game, and Moro Ojomo who had

(01:40:14):
a number of big plays, and Jalen Carter who was
really good in this game, and yes, Vic Fangio all
were just making it happen. And their defensive line was
just way better than the Lions offensive line, which has
had some injuries, and even Sewell was in and out tonight.
They won the game and the trenches shook, and so
that way, they didn't even need much out of their offense,

(01:40:36):
which didn't particularly have a good night, but it just
wasn't as bad as what the Lions did.

Speaker 18 (01:40:40):
Yeah, and winning the game of the trenches, of course,
always warms my heart, which is why I know you
put that little accent on it.

Speaker 8 (01:40:45):
Fourteen for thirty seven. I did a quick scan right
before we started here.

Speaker 18 (01:40:49):
I believe it's the lowest completion percentage in Jared Goff's
regular season career.

Speaker 8 (01:40:54):
It's below forty percent.

Speaker 18 (01:40:55):
Previous low was forty three point eight, So that we're
looking at a historically bad night for Jared Goff, and
you're absolutely right. He was completely he was seeing ghosts.
He was essentially seeing ghosts. He was spooked by this
pass rush. He's missing throws that we see him make
all the time, I mean, and just flat out and
missing them either.

Speaker 8 (01:41:15):
High, low, wide.

Speaker 18 (01:41:16):
He looked completely lost as to why he was struggling. Obviously,
you would think that the weather played a small part
in it, but I don't think that's really what it was.
And this whole offense was held back by an Eagles
defense that it's crazy to say this, but tonight was
the first time I thought, wow, they had all those
departures and they might actually end up being better than
they were last year.

Speaker 1 (01:41:35):
We'll see. And look, they're in great position to now
go get that one seed, which is it's crazy to
think about. For all the issues that the Philadelphia Eagles
have had this season on offense, that continued in this game.
At one point they their success rate for the night
passing the ball and overall was around thirty percent, which
is terrible, yep, And it was like twenty five percent

(01:41:57):
when they were up ten points in the fourth quarter.
They are the number one seed right now in the
NFC on you know, a tiebreaker with the Rams because
they beat the Rams, and it got me thinking, Okay,
they're the one seed. They're eight and two. They've beaten
the following teams this year, shook the Lions, the Rams,
the Packers, and the Bucks and oh, by the way,

(01:42:18):
the Chiefs we threw in there too. The seven to
one in the conference. They've basically beaten all the other
good teams in the entire league other than the Seahawks.
They haven't played the Seahawks. It's it's crazy. And then
we've seen the last couple of weeks that they've basically won. Yeah,
the the NFC North by taking care of the Packers
and the Lions in back to back weeks. And yeah,
they have a lot to work on on offense. I

(01:42:40):
think the Lions defense did a great job basically backing
up Dan Campbell in terms of his fourth down decisions.
A lot of people are gonna get on Dan Campbell
for going for over and over on fourth down and
they go for they go zero for five. One of
them was a fake punt, but they turn it over
on downs five different times in this game. What do
you think about that?

Speaker 18 (01:43:01):
I mean, that's who he is, that's that's his reputation.
He's known across the league for being the guy that
goes for it on fourth down. I just thought that
there were opportunities that they had that they did not
cash in, even the Jared Goff in complete pass on
fourth and goal. He's got Brock right underneath and he
just doesn't he doesn't see him. He's trying to get
the ball because he's getting hit. He's constantly under durest.

(01:43:21):
So I think the execution was poor, But most of
the decision making I thought was completely fine. You know,
you look at it in hindsight and say, well, if
you had a couple of few goals, this would be
the closer game. Yeah, well, that's the benefit of hindsight.
Dan Campill's not going to change who he is. I
did think that as he saw him on the sideline
and his nose is getting progressively redder and redder, as
he got colder and colder throughout the game, he had
this look of like dejection, as if like wow, like

(01:43:45):
I it almost looked like he felt like he was
letting his guys down, as if his the plays that
he called weren't the right ones and they were the
errors or the lack of capitalization and opportunity was just stacking.
You could see him kind of just being like man,
almost as lost as Jared Goff was. So I think,
you know, at this point in the season, Lions being
six and four, it's not like they.

Speaker 8 (01:44:04):
Needed the reality check.

Speaker 18 (01:44:05):
But I do think that this loss here gives them
an idea of what they need to work on it.
It does concern me because if you think about who
they've played this season, how have they gotten beat by
the teams they've gotten beat?

Speaker 8 (01:44:15):
It started in Week one with the Packers, right, you
lose to the Packers.

Speaker 18 (01:44:17):
Because they had this blueprint, they put it out there.
How do you beat them? You get after Jared Goff,
you move them off a spot which is not new.
But then the Chiefs did something similar. And then you
look at the Eagles. Three of their four losses have
all been the same formula, which makes me think there's
a weakness that they're going to have to figure out
how to adjust and fix and protect against.

Speaker 1 (01:44:34):
Yeah, it's not a team that's as complete as they
were in the past, and you mentioned six and four.
It's a different season shaping up. So the Bears, Yes,
the Chicago Bears are in first place. We came into
the division saying that the season, saying this is the
best division in football, and the Bears do have a
tough schedule and they're going to get a chance to
go try to beat the Lions themselves, and the Packers

(01:44:56):
are obviously right there. But the Lions are in second
place at six and three, and then you have the
Packers at six three and one. So these three teams
will be battling and none of them are very likely
to get the one seed that's probably coming down to
the NFC West winner or the Philadelphia Eagles.

Speaker 18 (01:45:16):
And Eagles fans will still find a way to be
upset about something.

Speaker 1 (01:45:18):
I get it though, because like they had one good
drive tonight, and it was the drive late in the
second half that I mean the first half that was
really where we had the action. The Lions had that
two play drive where they finally hit a couple passes.
One was two, a'mon, ra you only had two catches
on the day, and then a big, you know pass
to Jamison Williams. And the Eagles responded with their one

(01:45:40):
normal looking drive of the night. They ran the ball well,
Saquon had a couple of nice carries. Aj Brown had
had a big slant and the red zone got her
Like it just looked like a normal drive for once
and they got in. Other than that, like, I didn't
blame the Lions for going it on fourth down. It
wouldn't have mattered either way because they were trying to
win the game. The problem was that they were just

(01:46:01):
bad on first, second, third, and fourth down. They're getting
dominated offensively. But here's what the Lions defense did, and
this is a little bit of positivity for Detroit and
those five turnover and downs. The Eagles had a total
of six first downs in the five drives coming off
of it, and they got six points you know, you know,
two field goals on some relatively short fields Like that

(01:46:24):
was not the difference in this game. The difference is
the Eagles defense is just awesome. And more power to
them because I do think there's a route to them
figuring out this offense and they are.

Speaker 8 (01:46:35):
It's the same story that they had last year.

Speaker 18 (01:46:37):
It was Week thirteen and they couldn't figure it out,
and that's what they figured it out along the way
of riding their defense all.

Speaker 8 (01:46:42):
The way to the Super Bowl.

Speaker 1 (01:46:42):
Ooh, I love it. These NFC North games down the
stretch are going to be spicy and Philadelphia. We talked
about like the schedule getting through this gauntlet the Green
Bay Detroit. Here they still have some tough games with
the Bears and the Chargers and the Bills, but they
also have three or four just games that you can
chalk up as victories, like the two games against the

(01:47:03):
Commanders and the Raiders. You have the Cowboys this week.
We'll see like it's really hard to not see them
winning fourteen fifteen type of games. So here we go.
Nice Sunday. I'm really looking at this AFC and I'm
seeing the two thousand and five AFC standings. The Broncos.

(01:47:26):
The Broncos, the Patriots, the Steelers, and the Colts are
the top four teams. Those were the top four teams
in slightly different order back in two thousand and five
when Jake Plummer was getting it done and Peyton Manning
got has won Super Bowl for the Colts. So it's
all setting up for a big week. We'll have Monday

(01:47:47):
Night football Cowboys and Raiders, Shookie and I on YouTube,
so join us live after the game. We're gonna make
that sing. We're gonna add some spicy segments shook. I
don't even know what it'll be. To add even more
spice to what hopefully is a fun game, Cowboys Raiders
on Monday Night to wrap up a big time week.

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