November 17, 2025 • 44 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and Brian Baldinger recap the biggest games from Week 11, including the Josh Allen putting on an MVP-performance in a big win over the Buccaneers (0:00) before diving into Lions - Eagles (5:43), Seahawks - Rams (11:05), Chiefs - Broncos (18:49), Ravens - Browns (25:02), Bears - Vikings (34:32) and Chargers - Jaguars (39:26).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
and our buddy Baldy. Here, Baldy, We've got we got
some games we want to jam through, so we'll we'll
jump right to it. So why don't we start first off,
Let's go first game where you were at. Let's jump
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into that buffalo flow. Just say it was a Josh
Allen show. Yeah he didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Nobody played well against Buying me the week before, but
they still have they have major issues defending the run.
You saw Sean Tucker and you know, Rashad White have
a pretty good day. But Josh Allen was on his
game like they You know, he counted for six touchdowns,
he ran for three. They couldn't stop him in the
run game. He threw for three. You know, he got
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the ball to his backs. Ty Johnson is a really
valuable third, third down guy, receiving guy. Like I was
actually talking, it's interesting, I'm curious what both of you think.
You know in this new formation we see around the
league where the running back is spread wide, but he's
in the running, he's in the backfield and I was.
I was talking to Levante about it, like what are
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they doing? What all they're trying to do is just
get that guy in space quicker, you know, and he's
got a riot of waves that he can go. And
they got Ty Johnson, you know, on a you know,
his own pressure from uh Todd Bowles, and he got
him against you know, Anthony Nelson on the outside. I mean,
Josh saw it right away and put it right on him.
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Buffalo looked like they could get back into this AFC
East race. They still play the New England again at
their place. Like the way that they played offensively, even
with Kean Coleman down and all Dalton and k down,
I mean, it didn't make a difference. Josh was just
that good yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
To me, this was Josh Allen going back into superhero mode.
And he's done a really good job the last couple
of regular seasons of picking and choosing. When he kind
of gets into that, hey, I'll take over the game.
I do everything on my own, he tries to save
it kind of like my home, saves himself for the
postseason to stretch run in those things.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But I steel, like he says, is that it's situation critical.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I may need to do a little more, and that's
what they had to do because he had to do everything.
Run it, throw it, make every play. To me, this
is the only way that Buffalo can win. They're not
good enough for they're not solid enough in all the
areas to be able to dominate a team.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So they need number seventeen to put a.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Cape on each and every week to find a way
to get them into the Winter Circle.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You know it, it's down the field before the game,
and you know in Buffalo, the flag one flag is
going this way, the other flag's going this way. It's
just gusty, right, and you know, I'm watching Josh throw
the ball. I'm like, yeah, you're not gonna have any
problem like throwing through the winds Ryosh, And he's like, nah,
I go tell me some of the guys you're gonna
throw to. He goes, Oh, we've got a bunch of dudes.
We'll be fine today.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Like honestly, like he was just that casual, you know,
that lose that casual and then he just went out
and did it, you know, in a kind of a
shootout game. It was really good to the very end.
I mean Baker was like Baker was competitive as hell.
You know, it was really a good quarterback duel. Going
back to that twenty eighteen draft, DJ, that was pretty
fun watching those guys go at it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Like that and no question. And I'm thinking about Josh
and I was, you know, a bigger picture discussion. We
can do it on another day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I've seen one flawless team or one team that I'm
looking at and saying, Okay, that's the team to beat.
But I also look at Josh and I kind of
just get reminded of like when you play pickup hoops
and then like the one elite player walks in the
gym and you're like, okay, normal, you divvy up teams
like this guy. This guy like no, you're by yourself.
So we're gonna put the next five best players over here.
You're gonna get four whatevers and you probably have a
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still have a good chance of running the court. But
that's I mean, he's throwing the guys. I'm like, frick,
I don't even know. I mean, I do this for
a living and follow the draft, I'm like, yeah, the
heck is that, you know, going through some of these names,
But I do want to hit on a positive thing
for Tampa. You mentioned Sean Tucker going back to his time,
went back to his scouting report and everything, and just
seeing him get an opportunity because of some of the
injuries they had there. He goes nineteen a bucko six,
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two touchdowns, explosive, hit him on some counters. But Baldy's
got me thinking, uh differently now when I'm watching these
these backs and I'm watching teams that run the ball,
well is He's always trying to find out who the
caddy is and uh Like you can go to all
their big runs and Tristan Wurf's is the main man
on every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I mean it's because the position. I feel like Piney
Sewell gets so much national love. We talk about them
all the time. Maybe because there's some splashy blocks out
in space, but I don't know anybody's better than That's.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That tackle pool with that floor run for I mean
he's forty five yards down the field, you know, he's
running step for step with Sean.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, he's a freak man. He is a great, great player.
But again, Buck, we always talk about how certain gms.
We talk about it with Pittsburgh forever that you know,
the receivers, they could find receivers under under a flat rock,
like Jason Light start looking at him, saying, man, the
guy with running backs. Man, he's able to find these
guys any and everywhere.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He certainly has, and being able to have successful ground
attacks is really a big part of what they're going
to need to make the run that they want to
make as good as Baker has been, and when they
get all the weapons back and they can throw it
all over the yard, we know this game is about
control and they need to be able to control it
by running the football, that kind of milking the clock
and doing those things to protect the defense and those things.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But Baldy's right.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You guys are right about Tristan Wurf's and their ability
to do it up front. To think about someone who
can go from right tackle to left tackle to dominate
equally at both physicians, he.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Doesn't get enough credit for how special he is, no question, Baldie,
we were talking on the phone earlier this morning about
this one. It was man interesting game to watch, I'll
put it that way. Detroit, Philly, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, I was stuck in the airport last night, so
I watched it in the airport and then I watched
it early this morning. I got gotten some text from
Lane Johnson, who doesn't have good news about it. As
for it, but anyways, they physically just nobody does that
to Detroit. Nobody does that to a Dan and Dan
Campbell team. I mean they were zero for five on
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fourth downs. You watch the fourth down tape all you
didn't matter it was fourth and one or fourth and four,
like they bully you up front. And this addition of
they made two changes in the last two games. Now
n Kobe Dean is starting linebacker and Jalen Phillips at
the left outside outside linebacker, and both those guys have
made immediate dividends, I mean return on investment. And then
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Jalen Carter is healthy. Now you know, Jordan Dave's been
playing well all year. Noel Smith is in a good
role like that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Jo is a Jobo's turnament, a really good player.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean he just took you know, rut Ledge right,
rat Ledge, you know, just swadded them and let Jalen
Carter finished it. But they physically, I mean, they just
follow you right now, like, yes, Jamier Gibbs had some
plays in the screen game and he was he made
some plays and SAMs and Williams made one play, but
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other or that they didn't give me anything nothing all night.
And on the other side of the ball, I mean,
it's just unwatchable their offense. But at the same time,
they don't turn the ball over, and you know, they'll
just they'll win these games ten to seven, you know,
sixteen nine, and it doesn't matter, like that's how they're
gonna win these games.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, boy, that came away watching it that defensively, they're
good enough to go the distance with the defense just
kind of carrying the water. If they don't turn the
ball over on the offense, it's gonna be hard for
teams to beat them. You talked about the additions, Jalen
Phillips being in the lineup, Nikobe Dean being a linebacker.
The thing about it was Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter
on the inside. I think both of them they combine
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for maybe five bad it passes at the line of scrimmage,
and you know how fu dj you know as a
quarter about how frustrating deb is every time you get
the ball out, it's back in. Your face is down,
so then you change your arm angle, you're quickening your delivery.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Everything is out of source.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And for the first time in a long time, I
saw Jerry Goff just completely uncomfortable, just out of source,
not having a clear answer to what the Eagles are doing.
And then you're looking at what they're doing in the
back and you're like, man.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
This is a complex. They're not doing anything elaborate.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's just, man, this team just brought some kick butt
and they just put it on them.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, I always love trying to put phrases together
on stuff that you watch Buck, I've been doing that forever.
We always have fun with it. But I was looking
at this Philly front and I'm thinking that this is
the phrase I came up with. I'm like, they got
firm and fastballs.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They got guys like A Joemo and B G. Brandon
Graham firm And then next thing you look up and
there's fastballs coming at you. Whether it's Nolan Smith Jalen Phillips,
who's loosened up now on that wide nine and he's
got a runway and now he can turn speed to power.
But that's a fastball. Then you look inside you get
another one. Dude. You talk about quickness and explosiveness. Jalen Carter,
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his ability, his lateral ability, it's like he teleports from
one one gap to another gap with what he does.
And then you got Jordan Davis, who's maybe more on
the firm, but it's like everybody that they have Baldy
either going to get a firm, hands to your chest
or you don't know where the guy went. He's already
passed you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, Philadelphians don't like this, but they're the broad Street bullies, man.
I mean, I know what reserved for hockey, but they're
just the broad Street bullies right now. And that's what
they're doing. They did into green Bay on money. They
did it to Green Bay in Detroit, the NFC North, right,
the two leaders in the NFC North in a six
day span, and they just bullied him up front. And
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when Nikobe comes on a blitz like I don't know,
I think Josh Jacobs is and David Montgomery about as
good as he gets when it comes to blitz pickup,
and he just splattered both those guys and they led
the huge plays in both games here over the six days.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And I watched that. You mentioned the fourth down zero
for five on fourth down for Detroit, three for thirteen
on third downs, So just going through that, and it's Phillips,
it's him collapse in the pocket multiple times as Carter
went in the quickness, and I mentioned Graham and a
Joemo just stacking blocks. You mentioned the Na Kobe Dean
blitz even on one that they converted. It was a
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third and shortish and they end up hitting a big play,
but you're watching it in ninety and ninety eight or
thirty yards down the field chasing it down. I'm like
that speaks to the culture that they have there on
that defense man and.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Not just that DJ, but what they've done now with
Noel Smith coming back and Jalen you know coming.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Get yeah, Jalux Hunt still coming front.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, they've got depth up there right now, you know.
And so they're just going to and you know, they're
they're building this thing for a deep run in January.
So they're going to try and keep those guys as
fresh as they can right now along that defensive line
without you know, and trading those guys out without losing
a lot upfront.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
When some guy goes out of the out of the lineup. Yeah,
I'm big on it, man. I think that the best
defenses in the league. One of the things that they
have in common is they've got two waves of guys
up front, and they play fast and they cannot have
to worry about having to conserve any energy. But anyways,
big win for Philly. Their roleing offensively ugly, no question, Detroit,
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it's in playwall GoF didn't play well.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Bucks Seattle and the Rams a game we've been looking
forward to for a long time. It delivered.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, absolutely delivered. I think what's interesting about this.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Game the Rams referencing their experience going against Sam Donald
last year in Minnesota, even though it's not the same
scheme and those things, but they gained a lot of
confidence out of knowing they faced him at the end
of the year and they did a really good job
of just destroying his rhythm, his timing, and maybe even
a little bit of his confidence.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
They were all over the place.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And the one thing that I know about the Rams,
having watched him personally, Donkey kick the Jaguars over in
London defensively when they are.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Going with Jared Vers and all those young guys heating
them up. Man, they can come at you in waves.
They're a very physical team.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And I'm gonna say this, whatever they do with the
reclamation projects in the back end, Emanuel Ford's playing well
for them. Darius Williams playing well for them after I
watched him struggle in Jacksonville. Maybe it's Rvey pleasant or whatever,
but they they find a way to get all these
guys on the same page, and the rush matches the
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coverage and it's a very very difficult defense to have
to contend with over sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, go ahead, Baldi.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I was just.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Cam Kinchens, you know, Cam Kitchens and Cam curl they
you know Lake.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I mean, they played their safeties.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But you know, the first interception Sam threw is a
classic one rat out of a disguise Cover two and
Curls going to the middle of the field and Kitchens
is just he's just in there being a rat.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He jumped right in front of the you know of
a Smith and Jigba throw and I don't think Sam
ever saw him. He picked it off clean, and then
he was in a you know, deep path, just playing
cover two, reading two to one, and again they came
to they went to Auroral in the middle of the
field and he just jumped right in front of that throw.
And then even on the Darius Williams interception, he came
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on a blitze and hit Sam Darnold and as he
threw it, you could you know He's just like this
just didn't come out. I mean, he made three big plays.
I want to say this, uh DJ this Snate Laman
is one hell of a football like.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
He was in Atlanta. He wasn't even drafted, was he.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't believe, so I to pull that one.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
He's everywhere like he does everything. He's just one of
those players.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He does everything fundamentally sound and you just watch him.
He's he's all over the field. He leads the team
in tackles by mile, and he was all over the
field again on Sunday. But despite the turnovers by the Rams,
Seattle is still there at the end. Defense just rescued
him time after time again and held him to three
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touchdowns a lot of short fields. But that that rematch
on December eighteenth can be I mean, that's prime time
viewing right there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
All right, Baldi, he want some Nate Lambman. Scaley's give
me some meat, all right, Nate Lambman, this is what
was born like in South Africa something. Yeah, I don't
have the personal stuff. So he was at Colorado, so
he was six oh two four two thirty eight. He
ran four eight six. So there's the reason why he
wasn't drafted four eight six. He missed five games that
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year with a shoulder injury, but still had six TFLs.
Fur PBUs. He's a mic. He directs traffic. He's got
I this is my accoum. And I say he's got
quick eyes and slow feet. He's a he's a catch tackler.
But to me, you got somebody who's you know, you
can see the through line here right, direct traffic communicator.
You know instincts. He just didn't he just didn't run.
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But when you take two steps in the right direction
before everybody else on the field, it does eliminate some
of that need. And they've done that. Man. You look
at what they've done with the Reclamation project with Emmanuel Forbes,
who was a really good college football player who was
just light and was missing tackles in Washington, Like they
find the good, Like that's the whole point of scouting
Buck and I I mean when you're in the room,
that's what you talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you
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keep telling me what he can't do? What can this
guy do? And that's a great example of this kid.
But I tell you, you know, he's got four force fumbles.
He had another one they didn't recover, but he had
another one on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But even in Atlanta's two years in Atlanta, he had
three force fumbles in each year, he's got ten forces.
He fills up the stat sheet, the guy, you know,
and so like he's he's just he's exactly what they
need because that front is really really talented and they
got a lot of so he just cleans up. He's
just a vacuum cleaner in there, clean up these tackles right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Now, Gavin filled it in there. Bucks Zimbabwe and dad
played rugby, so yeah, rugby, that was him.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I mean, look a great break around. But DJ,
we talked about it, Baldy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Culturally, it's the expectations that you put on the young
players or the players that come in to build it.
We're gonna coach everybody and if you don't make it,
you're gonna make it somewhere. I just believe there's certain
organizations that really pour into the development process when it
comes to young players, and those guys benefit as a result,
and the team benefits from being able to play all
those young guys at one time.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So just from less needs draft philosophy here, DJ, you're
talking about resources and the defense. They've drafted two defensive
linemen in each of the last three drafts, and they're
all on the field, you know, and so you see
Stewart out there now, but Byron Young and Kobe Turner
and like the whole group, you know, you know, obviously
Fisk and verse, but they've drafted two in each draft
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and they're all on the field, and so they've just
rebuilt that whole.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Front, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean there's Aaron Donald, you know, retiring his jersey
a Pitt on Saturday, and I'm like, here they are, like, no,
Aaron Donald, But they're really good and you know, as
a group right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Now, Yeah, they went from they you know, that's the
sign of a smart GM too, is that they've they've
changed the makeup of the team in terms of the
complexion of it. Where they were, I mean, there was
the whole screw them picks stars right, stars and maybe
maybe not yeah, but yeah, Ram and yeah you had
those pillars right. It was like Mount rushmore of those
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you know, four four guys And now you look up
and it's like, okay, we did that. Now we still
got Stafford, which is huge piece of it, and we
still got a couple other guys because it has developed
into that. But it's just we're going to overwhelm you
with depth. It's two different ways to get into the
finish line. But that shows you the adaptability there, which
I think is a great sign book of a personnel
department knows what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the debtability is everything. I
think like certain years.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Require you to be like really really heavy when we
talk about the draft developed process of the time, piers
require you to be aggressive when it comes to free
agency training in those things, and DJ as our generation
takes over these jobs with decision makers and those things,
you are seeing people take more aggressive approaches when it
comes to rebuilding the franchise, doing it a few different ways.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
In the Rams have kind of been on the forefront
of that movement.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
When Les talked about f those picks, everyone laughed, but
he was right because it paid off of them.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But then they come right back.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And the reason why they're able to blow off those
early picks because they did such a great job drafting
y late day two throughout Day three, being able to
get players turn into.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
The viable starters in those things.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah. The other thing is, by the way the Rams,
they're gonna end up with a top ten pick. Man,
They've got Atlanta's first round pick next year. Pennix is
out for the year. They are struggling, and you watch
Les can do what he wants so that he could
take take somebody there, or he could everybody's telling everybody
in the scouting community, Baldy, we are all looking towards
twenty seven like this twenty six draft. Cute little draft.
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Twenty seven could be an all timer. All right, let's
going to spend that thing and just start collecting and
just have a massive haul for the lottery there in
twenty twenty seven. See if you can't get a shot
at Jeremiah Smith and company. All right, that's say quick break,
we'll get back knock out a few more games, all right, Baldi,
This was a big one in the AFC. West Man Denver.
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They pick up the win twenty two to nineteen late
last minute drive, which I'll get to in a minute,
but just your takeaways on maybe the biggest win Denver's
had quite some time.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just watching one of
my favorite players in this league is Jawuan McMillan. And
while Denver has had a lot of name guys from
Sir tand to you know, Bonito, I mean, a lot
of name players in that defense Halfanga has been playing great,
but I mean Jakwan made he made some of the
biggest players. I mean, he got the interception on a
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scrambled drill where Mahomes as Mitchell for a touchdown They're
going to take the lead in the third quarter, he
intercepts it. He he sacks Mahomes, you know, towards the
end of the game, when it's nineteen nineteen, it's tied,
you know, it's Mahomes time. He comes off the edge
corner cat like a bat out of hell, and so
you know, the defense rows up, you know, and bow
Nicks can struggle for a long stretch of a lot
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of games, but he seems to be clutch when they
need him to be clutch.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
And he and he was again on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, here's the thinking about both Nicks.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Boennicks has five game winning drives fourth quarter comebacks this season.
And everyone will give the Broncos a tough time about
their offense and it being pedestrian and not explosive in
those things, and some of that is obviously true, but
also think that Sean Paigne leans into the dominance of
his defense and he understands how to win games. And
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this was a game where I felt like the Broncos
didn't play well, but they were always in it and
they knew they could still it at the end.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And then you look up and bow Knicks makes a
couple of throws.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
They kind of get down to it, they hit the
game winner, and they go and they vanquish the evil
o Umpire like they kind of drove a stake through
the heart of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And so give the Broncos credit. It has not been ugly.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I mean it's not been pretty at all, but man,
they just keep stacking wins and you look up the
right where they need to be. When we talk about
incontingent for the number one overall Sea, I.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Went through that game winning drive. And something that I've
always been a firm believer in and it drives me insane,
is that, you know, we always used to talk abally, hey,
first downs, not touchdowns, like that's the key to the
two minute drill, Like we're just worried about let's get
the first first down and then we go. But the
first play that they ran was a bubble and it
was like, oh, okay, this is what we're just gonna see.
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As Bucky always said, we don't see the ball go
through the hoop man, Let's just get a little completion.
We're going to get what we can get. But now
it's just there's a feeling as a quarterback, Okay, we
got something going. There's even if you're second and eight,
it's just different. Then you throw incomplete and you're like,
oh crap, it's all my it's second ten. Now now
we're kind of grinding. But I think even just the
simplicity of that show, Sean Payton kind of has an
overall awareness. And that's why you don't do this by accident.
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We have this many come from behind wins.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He signed an accent. You know, he knows how to
set plays up and wait for certain situations when when
to call things. He knows the flow of the game
and where you're going to need to be, and I
think he just saved certain certain plays for situations like that.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Bo Nicks.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm sure Sean isn't the nicest guy to be around
on Wednesdays and Thursdays out there, but I'm sure that
Bo just has that thick skin too when he's making
sure that he understands the I know, just talking to
guys that have coached with Sean, like he has men
niacle about red zone offense. One reason why I read,
you know, Russell was gone, like they just didn't understand
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just how just how on you have to be in
that part of the field. And that's you know, that
keeps him up late at night. But I thought he
saved some good plays at the end.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, he says some good plays, but not only dad Man,
just his understanding.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You talk about how experience matters.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Experience and the expertise of clock management and game management.
That's where the veteran coaches can kind of steal things
from other than obviously any reason on the other side,
but Sean Payton's keen understanding of what we need to
do today to win the game comes out in his
play call in the way that he runs the entire operation.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Other thing I'll add on, you know these late drives
to win games. And we've seen it with Caleb Williams,
who will get to in a little bit who he
has five of these things as well. Think about Mahomes
and his late game magic he's had for his entire career.
There's always one play in that drive where your legs
come into it, whether or not you're going to scramble
and pick up the first down. This case, it was
third and fifteen, and he's able to buy some time
and able to get a nice conversion down the field
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and then you have your opportunity with bald these reference
and you know, I love the phrase Ben Johnson used
this in their game last week where he talks about
hunting coverages, like I've got play calls around hunting a
certain coverage and if we if we get the coverage
we want, that's the play.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So they run a switch release and he has a
seven route to Franklin to kind of to put them
in the field goal position to win the game. But
it was give you a completion early. Hey, you're going
to need to use your legs at some point in
time to help us convert and then hopefully eventually we're
going to hunt a coverage. We're gonna get the right
We're gonna get the right look from a defense. We're
gonna be able to cash in with the big chump
play that we need. But that seems to be the
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formula and they've got it and Baldy, I mean, we
don't need to belabor it. But Kansas City's five hundre
right now. They got the Colts next week. Man like
they are in some real trouble here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, they're three and a half games behind Denver. I'm
going to be in Kansas City Sunday. You know, the
Colts had a bye week, so they're going to be
rested and fresh. They're playing without you know, DeForest Buckner,
which is big loss defensively, but it's it's you know,
we'll uh like it. There are seasons on the line,
you know, because you're going to see other teams emerge
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in the AFC right now that are are going to
be you know, I think Denver's gonna win the division
right now for the first time. Whatever it is you
know since Elway was probably there, Peyton Manning, I guess
it's been a long time, but I mean they're they're
in the driver's seat right now, in good shape, with
one up on Kansas City like that. One thing, one
real quick thing is like I remember at the trade
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deadline two weeks ago, everybody was like, ah, you know,
Denver should go get a receiver. I'm like, maybe they should.
But at the same time, you look at Pat Bryant,
Troy Franklin and all these guys that they've drafted, like
they're all you know, I mean, I know Courtland Sutton
is their go to guy, but I mean all these
guys have stepped up, you know, at certain times, and
they've got they've got like a different role for all
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of them, a defined role.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They spread the ball around. Man, it look that it's
worked and whatever they're doing is working. Buck Baltimore, Cleveland
Baltimore gets to win twenty three to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Really interesting in watching this game, man, for most of
the game, the Cleveland Browns were in control of this game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I mean they were able to get it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Done with their defense kind of leading away getting pick
six is Devin Bush takes a pick six back then
knocking them around and then you know, Dylan Gabriel gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Shad Or Sanders comes in and he's not able to
move the offense, and that just.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Gave the Ravens enough time to kind of work their
way back into the mix. Not a pretty performers, But
I would say the thing that stood out to me
was the push play. That the trick where they spin
up on their Mark Andrews comes out the back door.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
A great play.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
We've seen other teams use different things, and it's the
always Enever so often in football we talked about, hey,
they always do this, they never do that, And in
breaking the tendency, they found a way to get a
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Because they did something that wasn't on the play card
for the Browns.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's great, great point bucket because they they had run
that play on their touch push with Mark Andrews a
number of times over the last two years and to
be able to pull that one out like that, and
I'm sure Cleveland was not expecting that, So they broke
that tendency really good. But you know this this, I
guess if you're you know, if you're in that building,
DJ you know a month ago when you're one in
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five and you're in the crypt and they're thinking, how
the hell are we going to get out of this?
You know, and Pittsburgh is rolling at that time, and
if you just defensively, like they got Rokwon back and
they got healthier, and Kyle Hamilton is just everywhere now,
like they got their guys back on the field, Like
that defense has been carrying them, you know, going back
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to the Chicago win when Nate Wiggins intercepted the ball
in Caleb at the end of the game when it
was tied. The defense is making these plays right now
to keep them going because the offense still doesn't look great.
It doesn't look playoff ready yet. But they've got time
right now. I mean, they've got two games with Pittsburgh
coming up and it's going to decide the division.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I think the schedule set up for him going
back through it here. So when they're sitting at one
and five, after that, they had Chicago, which was going
to be tough for him, and the score looks lopsided
because of that late interception. That was a very close
game which they got. And once they got that first game, okay,
Miami twenty eight to six. You get Minnesota, who was
not in a good spot, twenty seven to nineteen. They
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win this game against Cleveland, They've got the Jets, they've
got the Bengals, They've got Pittsburgh and the Bengals again.
I mean, the next time they're going to play a
team that's that you could say is really rolling, is
going to be New England and who knows what they
are at that point time, but that's not until December
twenty first, So really from you know, after losing on
October twelfth, the schedule was their friend there, and I
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think that's got to give you a little confidence. Once
they got that first one, they just need to get
that Chicago game, and then the defense started playing better,
and now it's they're set up.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't know, I don't look at any the odd stuff,
but I would imagine they probably hear the favorite even
though they're you know, trailing. That's been right now. Yeah,
So I mean it's all lined up for him Buck.
I do want to mention two things real quick. Kyle
Hamilton told Baldy about this one this morning. That was
fun to watch. Nine tackles, a sack, three TFLs. There's
one he comes downhill in Stone's Potonio knocks him back
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three yards and make a play. Then you'll see him
out in space, avoid a block and make a tackle.
You'll see him rush over the center. They line them
up over the center and he just wins immediately and
ends up spinning off and getting a sack. Then he's
backside on a runaway and they don't account for him.
He closes the back door, makes a tackle. Like guys everywhere, Man,
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he does so many different things.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Bucky, let me ask you this, because how do you
design the defense with the guy that can be that
is that versatile Where he had is it just complete
freedom within the scheme to line up on the center
and do this or you know to you know, he'll
he'll be in the A gap and next thing you know,
he's in deep center field.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
And like just the way that they use them.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's just there's really maybe imam worry with Mike McDonald
over time can get like that. But there's really the
most unique defensive player in this league right now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, I've never really seen anything like you.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You talk about that hybrid position and what you can
do and being able to pounce around. I think it
takes a player who has a unique skill set. It
takes a player who also has a high i Q
to do all the different things they're asking them to do.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And then there has to be the want to desire,
like I want to be special.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And what special players do is they do these other
things to elevate the play of their team.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Theyson his ability to.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Go to that spot and right after that spot, you
saw the defense quickly repair yourself. And that's what they've
been able to do. And it also takes a village
and a supporting cast. You talk about the trade that
they get, the free safety coming over, you think about
the other guys, Malachot starrksmen to play his role in
the back end, and all the pieces of the puzzle
coming together. But yeah, man, you talk about a difference maker,
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game changer sods.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, I mean I see a very similar thing with Derwin.
You Darwin's roll and locked in, Derwin draws a lot
of attention. Now, difference is Darwin's got some good players
around him. He didn't have Rokwan Smith Like, there's other
guys that you got to really really account for there
in that front. But man, Kyle Hampton special player. And
then lastly on that game and then we'll keep it moving.
I mean, just because people are gonna ask you do
or gets in four of sixteen forty seven yards three
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carries sixteen yards going through it. They start out nice,
get them, a little half roll got them completion, a
little sit route gets completion, and then you have the
poor decision, you know, and inaccurate ball gets picked another
one that Kyle Hamilton should have picked when he's trying
to throw across his body. I'm just trying to do
too much. The thing that I like the most about it,
And obviously the numbers are the numbers, but man, he
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played aggressive. My thing is you get sometimes you get
young guys in there, they just want to think of
dunk the ball down like he was trying to be
aggressive and push the ball down the field, which is
definitely something you could work with baldly. My dad used
to always say, I'd rather rain in a thoroughbread than
have to kick a donkey in the butt, you know,
like that's a good thing to have there somebody that
wants to be aggressive versus trying to teach him to
be aggressive. And then the other thing I wrote down
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is Buck He's just going to have to learn to
play without time and space, because when there's time and space,
he's a really pure thrower. He can really spend it.
He does a lot of good things. But as he
learned at Colorado, he can time and space can be
in short supply. And the difference is that's similar to Colorado.
The differences and you don't have Travis Hunter still creating
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six yards of separation even though you're in a condensed pocket.
He's in condensed pockets and doesn't have that separation. That's
going to be an adjustment for him.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, it's a huge adjustment, and I think everyone is
right about in terms of what they saw like some good,
some bad things, some things that he can iron out
and work on. It'd be interesting if he gets a
start next week and he begets to take all of
the first team reps and gets all of that stuff
and he plays within a game plan that is built
specifically for him as opposed to running the Dylan Gabriel offense.
(31:55):
All those things that did, and then I would say
to him, like so many of these other young guys
that we see in around the league, whether it's Abduel
Carter or Kean Coben and those things. It's not the same,
but it is. Man, you got to be ready when
your chance comes, no matter what they say, no matter
how few reps you get, when your numbers call, it's
on you as a professional to be ready. And so
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he has to be ready when he gets that opportunity
because sometimes that opportunity doesn't come back around, and so
you got to be able to take advantage.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Of it when you get your shot.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
DJ just from a quarterback standpoint, he never threw to
a tight end at Colorado. The two best receivers are
tight ends in Cleveland. Like is that and he's not
getting any reps, But I mean the use of the
tight end. Hit the tight end on the crossing route
and you know that was a good throw. But I'm
just curious, is that like any kind of an adjustment
or is that just something that everybody adjusts to.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have to pull up the numbers of the tape
in front of it. I remember in the preseason, I
remember him hitting a joke. If I'm not mistaken, I
remember him hitting some tight ends and making some place.
I think that'll be fine. I think he's gonna learn.
He's got to, you know, I talked about being aggressive.
He's going to have to hunt easier completions and those
are going to come with your tight ends and your backs,
which is what this offense really is. They don't have
real dudes out there, big time dudes. So you he's smart,
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He's he's someone. I think that the difference between him
and Gabriel is I think Gabriel coming into this process
played so much ball that but his ceiling not become tight.
But like his ceiling was just much lower, and he
might already be closer to that to maximizing that. Whereas
we shoot, even though the numbers are the numbers, you
could see like there's a couple real close where they
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just didn't quite bring it in down the field. But
like he's got some he could play at a higher
level if he gets to everything that he has. He
just can push the ball and he's just more a
little bit more dynamic of a thrower than Gabriel is.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Buck. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And the thing that he has to do though is
he has to get used to the boring work. So
when you talk about the checkdowns to underneath things whatever,
like we've seen that Drew Brees did this for years.
Checked out underneath, checked out underneath, and as soon as
you deviated and came out the coverage, punish you with
a ball down the scene. Schaudure and a lot of
young quarterbacks they have to understand that patience, that discipline.
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When you ran from the pocket, you got to take
the underneath stuff into the biggest stuff opens up naturally.
Maybe he'll have an opportunity to do it, maybe he
will buy into that. But yeah, what we saw is
the good and Baddes should do is saying this all
in one.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, and by the way, congratulations, you finally get You're
gonna get your opportunity as the weather's getting ready to
turn it, you know. Oh boy, man, Cleveland, there's no
where I'm having worked there. It gets later in the year,
not an easy place to throw the football. Baldi Chicago, Minnesota,
Chicago another comeback win mentioned earlier. That's five for Caleb
now to match Goo nixt nineteen seventeen. They get out
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of Minnesota with a big win.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well they did, and I haven't I haven't really studied
it yet, but I just know that Caleb, you know,
did not turn the ball over again and just watching
him over the last few weeks of this wind streak
that they're on, Like he's definitely thrown the ball on
timing much better than at any point last year. But
his athletic ability continues to show up. Like they're running
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the ball really well, but he's a big part of
the runs, whether it's third down scrambles or designed a
couple of design runs, Like he's so talented to be
able to stay on his feet, he is a hard
guy to get to the ground. And I think the
line is really coming on and the way that they
use their tight ends, the way that they're setting up
their blocks right now. You know, DeAndre got back into
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the fold and Manongay has been really really good for him,
and then Cale, Like they've got three guys that really
kind of spearhead the run game. I think that's where
it starts with Ben Johnson. It did when he was
in Detroit, and you could see the creativity is there
in the offense, but at the same time, the basics
of what they want to do and how they want
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to control the line of scrimmage is very real. And
then just defensively, like Kevin Byern has always taken the
ball away in this business. Like he's got thirty I
think thirty five or thirty six career interceptions. He did
the same thing Middle Tennessee State. But I thought I
thought he was on his way out of the league.
He was bounced around a couple of teams. He was
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in Philly, wasn't very good. Like he's gotten to Chicago
and he's got himself a home there right now, and
he's making a difference on the back end of that defense.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know what's what's interesting because you talked about Chicago
so much of our time we spent on Ben Johnson,
But Dennis Alla's done a really good job of cleaning
up some of the issues that they've had defensively. I
wasn't talking about Buyer and those guys to keeping the
ball in front and not letting the beat deep ball
go over the top of the defense, not letting it
go outside. And when you take that and you take
what Ben Johnson is doing offensively.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Exotic smash box is what I want to call it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
They want to do the bills and whistlesdn't have all
the bizazs, but at the end of the day, they
want to be a physical team, and so they're beginning
to believe that that formula, that recipe that works for everybody.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Run at play, good defense.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Score, when you can kick field goals, do all those things,
you can win a lot of games. And as this
team gains more confidence in their leader.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
May be a very very day just seemed in the stretch.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And I think any like, I think I think Chicago
lead the league in takeaways.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I think they're at twenty two right now.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yes, and you think the ball away twenty two times
in ten games whatever it is right now, Like.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
That's a pretty that's a pretty good pace.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You're winning the turnover battle most weeks if you're you're
at twenty two takeaways.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think when you look at the interception leaders,
they got like three of the top four something like
that in the league. In terms of the picks offensively,
one of the things I wanted to look at here
because I'm just curious. I don't know that there's a
better you know, one two punch at tight end than
they have right now with Comet and Lovelin, And I
just want to see usage wise, like how they're how
they differentiate from each other, and really Comets just like
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been the safety valve. He's just going to be there
waiting for Caleb and the flat you want an easy completion,
He's there for you. He's going to be where he
needs to be. He gives you a nice, big target,
presents himself well, and then Lovelin gives you a little
more sizzle, a little more pop to be able to
get down the field, get down the seams. And the
other thing is and this is not just with him,
and I know I believe that they worked on this.
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I heard that they'd worked on this in the bye
and it's shown up the last couple of weeks. They're
getting better in the scrambled drill. And if you haven't
played with a quarterback who can stay alive as long
as Caleb has, you're not going to understand. You know
the ins and outs of that. That's not an easy thing. Bucky,
You've played the position, so I know you can speak
to this. But being able to stay alive, being able
to give him something when he's creating time. Loveland's a real,
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real athletic and he's able to on those broken plays separate,
get where he needs to be, present himself well and
gives him some give them some big plays but I
love that one two punch, and I think this team
is figuring out how to play with Caleb week by week.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah. No, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
When I was going all the way back to Green Bay,
when braand Flau was in the middle of his three
MVP run, we would have scrambled drill periods where everything
was intentional. He's going to scramble and you would give
the wide receivers rules. If you're coming across the field,
you work across to get into a sideline. If you're
doing something coming back to the quarterback, you automatically turn up.
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And every week, once or twice a week, you've worked
on those things.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So it's not by design. It's an organized chaos.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
That least, when you think about the big plays that
show up, those sick and reaction plays, the defender just.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Gets lost in the sauce what he's been doing since
Maomes came into the league.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
If you coordinated in the scrambled drew, you talk about
the explosive plays that you can generate.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You're beginning to see that with.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
The Chicago Bears, Baldy, we had another move the sticks bowl.
I mean, Bucky has been kicking my tail. I mean
app State beating North Carolina once. Chargers I think maybe
have gotten Jacksonville once. I don't know, they have to
go back and look at it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
No, I think that, Yeah, the Jags are undefeated against
somehow Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, so the jack So he's only with the Jags
Chargers thing with our little side gigs and Carolina has
been kicking our tail. I mean, and this one was
a beat down thirty five or six.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, Well, they've had they've They've they've been the spoiler
a couple of times, you know, over the last decade.
I guess you got to still celebrate those big wins
that they've had.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, Buck, I mean this was forty seven runs for
one hundred and ninety two yards. Herbert, you know, threw
for eighty one yards on a pick. I'll talk on
the Chargers to that side real real quick, and I'll
get to the Jag side. But you know, charger wise,
they're gonna have to figure them out. They're going to
the by. They looked a little tired, they looked a
little the fargic. And I'm not making any excuses for him,
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but just I watched that tape right after I watched
the Philly tape and you watched the Philly Biggs and
how they were chasing and running. Now, the time of
possession was hugely in their favor for the jag So
I think that that group got a little bit tired
for the Chargers. But they were matching with two bigs
to a team that really wanted to run the ball.
So you got two bigs and two stand up edge guys.
At one of the Bigs at times was a boy
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b who's not the biggest guy in the world. They
I just didn't think they had enough beef out there
and got kind of pushed around and moved around a
little bit, and then some misalignment stuff against some three
tight ends and they I mean, look, Liam Cohen got
them last year with Tampa and then ran the ball
down their throats and did it again this time with Jacksonville.
So you know that was that side of the ball
and the other side of the ball. Offensively, two of
the first three pass attempts, Herbert just smokes smokes quick
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screens out to wide receivers like they did against Pittsburgh
the week before and never went back to it. So
you're either as the Chargers, you're going to force the
opposing corners to tackle your receivers quickly in space, or
you're going to try and play from the pocket and
you're going to ask your offensive tackles who are not
your starters to block edge rushers like that's their options.
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And I don't know that that was the right choice
in that game.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah, No, it was interesting in this game, DJ coming
on the heels of this, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Got to give you reference.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
So when the Jags blow to lead twenty nine to
ten last week against the Houston Texans, Liam Cohen in
the staff they go into the locker room and they talked.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
About, hey man, we got to own this. You have
to own it. There's no running from it. You have
to own it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You got to figure out how to learn the lesson
to apply it. And I feel like for every coach
there's always a crossroads where you have to make a
decision on whether you're going to double down to your philosophy.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Or you're gonna change.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And this was the game that was a crossroads game
where Liam Cohen had talked about being a physical football team,
a running football team in those things and against the
bullies that the charges can be when they're locked in
he doubled down, and the team responded, Now, will this
be a thing that launches him the rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But to me, when I asked him about it after
the game, he was like, at the end of the day,
you always got to go back to.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Who you are in these difficult moments.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And that's what they leaned into. And so the big
says to running the game, the running game, the way
they play defense, all of it simplified it and just say, hey,
we're going to see if we can just outsmash a
team that loves the smash and they way to be
successful on Sunday, Well.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
They did it. I mean, Harbaugh set after the game
and beat us up, physically, beat us up every where
you can bet beat a team up. Now, they got
the bye weekend and they've got the Raiders before the
Eagles come into town, so they got a chance to
get rested up. I think of Marion Hampton, there's a
decent shot he's back, which will help that run team
a little bit. All right, hey, Baldy, you're the best brother.
We appreciate your time. Man. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Okay, guys, you bet.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Buck great to have Baldi with us on here each
and every week. I don't know what happened in the
rookie draft. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Ga step
in for me. I'm hoping he had a great draft.
We're gonna figure out how I did. I'm gonna claim
the victory if if we won, I'm gonna claim it
even though Gavin made the picks. And if we don't,
you know, hey, Gavin might he should lose that job.
(43:30):
He could definitely do that job as the assistant GM,
as the assistant rookie GM. But I'm gonna wait and
see how he did first.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, hopefully hopefully turns up better.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
We can shut out Rick because right now he's having
so success rookie draft.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah yeah, I heard it RHTT on the call Big
ten Network. He had usc Iowa top twenty five game
doing the play by play last week.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Are thettle Rets all grown up?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
All growing up? PBu no more?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Gavin said, I need a big one from JENTI see
what happens, all right, that's gonna go for it. So
they appreciate you, guys. I see you next time right
here on. Move the sticks, ye
Speaker 3 (44:10):
H
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Bucky
and our buddy Baldy. Here, Baldy, We've got we got
some games we want to jam through, so we'll we'll
jump right to it. So why don't we start first off,
Let's go first game where you were at. Let's jump
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into that buffalo flow. Just say it was a Josh
Allen show. Yeah he didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Nobody played well against Buying me the week before, but
they still have they have major issues defending the run.
You saw Sean Tucker and you know, Rashad White have
a pretty good day. But Josh Allen was on his
game like they You know, he counted for six touchdowns,
he ran for three. They couldn't stop him in the
run game. He threw for three. You know, he got
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the ball to his backs. Ty Johnson is a really
valuable third, third down guy, receiving guy. Like I was
actually talking, it's interesting, I'm curious what both of you think.
You know in this new formation we see around the
league where the running back is spread wide, but he's
in the running, he's in the backfield and I was.
I was talking to Levante about it, like what are
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they doing? What all they're trying to do is just
get that guy in space quicker, you know, and he's
got a riot of waves that he can go. And
they got Ty Johnson, you know, on a you know,
his own pressure from uh Todd Bowles, and he got
him against you know, Anthony Nelson on the outside. I mean,
Josh saw it right away and put it right on him.
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Buffalo looked like they could get back into this AFC
East race. They still play the New England again at
their place. Like the way that they played offensively, even
with Kean Coleman down and all Dalton and k down,
I mean, it didn't make a difference. Josh was just
that good yesterday.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
To me, this was Josh Allen going back into superhero mode.
And he's done a really good job the last couple
of regular seasons of picking and choosing. When he kind
of gets into that, hey, I'll take over the game.
I do everything on my own, he tries to save
it kind of like my home, saves himself for the
postseason to stretch run in those things.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
But I steel, like he says, is that it's situation critical.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
I may need to do a little more, and that's
what they had to do because he had to do everything.
Run it, throw it, make every play. To me, this
is the only way that Buffalo can win. They're not
good enough for they're not solid enough in all the
areas to be able to dominate a team.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
So they need number seventeen to put a.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Cape on each and every week to find a way
to get them into the Winter Circle.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
You know it, it's down the field before the game,
and you know in Buffalo, the flag one flag is
going this way, the other flag's going this way. It's
just gusty, right, and you know, I'm watching Josh throw
the ball. I'm like, yeah, you're not gonna have any
problem like throwing through the winds Ryosh, And he's like, nah,
I go tell me some of the guys you're gonna
throw to. He goes, Oh, we've got a bunch of dudes.
We'll be fine today.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Like honestly, like he was just that casual, you know,
that lose that casual and then he just went out
and did it, you know, in a kind of a
shootout game. It was really good to the very end.
I mean Baker was like Baker was competitive as hell.
You know, it was really a good quarterback duel. Going
back to that twenty eighteen draft, DJ, that was pretty
fun watching those guys go at it.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Like that and no question. And I'm thinking about Josh
and I was, you know, a bigger picture discussion. We
can do it on another day.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
I've seen one flawless team or one team that I'm
looking at and saying, Okay, that's the team to beat.
But I also look at Josh and I kind of
just get reminded of like when you play pickup hoops
and then like the one elite player walks in the
gym and you're like, okay, normal, you divvy up teams
like this guy. This guy like no, you're by yourself.
So we're gonna put the next five best players over here.
You're gonna get four whatevers and you probably have a
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still have a good chance of running the court. But
that's I mean, he's throwing the guys. I'm like, frick,
I don't even know. I mean, I do this for
a living and follow the draft, I'm like, yeah, the
heck is that, you know, going through some of these names,
But I do want to hit on a positive thing
for Tampa. You mentioned Sean Tucker going back to his time,
went back to his scouting report and everything, and just
seeing him get an opportunity because of some of the
injuries they had there. He goes nineteen a bucko six,
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two touchdowns, explosive, hit him on some counters. But Baldy's
got me thinking, uh differently now when I'm watching these
these backs and I'm watching teams that run the ball,
well is He's always trying to find out who the
caddy is and uh Like you can go to all
their big runs and Tristan Wurf's is the main man
on every single one of them.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I mean it's because the position. I feel like Piney
Sewell gets so much national love. We talk about them
all the time. Maybe because there's some splashy blocks out
in space, but I don't know anybody's better than That's.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That tackle pool with that floor run for I mean
he's forty five yards down the field, you know, he's
running step for step with Sean.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, he's a freak man. He is a great, great player.
But again, Buck, we always talk about how certain gms.
We talk about it with Pittsburgh forever that you know,
the receivers, they could find receivers under under a flat rock,
like Jason Light start looking at him, saying, man, the
guy with running backs. Man, he's able to find these
guys any and everywhere.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
He certainly has, and being able to have successful ground
attacks is really a big part of what they're going
to need to make the run that they want to
make as good as Baker has been, and when they
get all the weapons back and they can throw it
all over the yard, we know this game is about
control and they need to be able to control it
by running the football, that kind of milking the clock
and doing those things to protect the defense and those things.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
But Baldy's right.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
You guys are right about Tristan Wurf's and their ability
to do it up front. To think about someone who
can go from right tackle to left tackle to dominate
equally at both physicians, he.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Doesn't get enough credit for how special he is, no question, Baldie,
we were talking on the phone earlier this morning about
this one. It was man interesting game to watch, I'll
put it that way. Detroit, Philly, what do you think.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Well, I was stuck in the airport last night, so
I watched it in the airport and then I watched
it early this morning. I got gotten some text from
Lane Johnson, who doesn't have good news about it. As
for it, but anyways, they physically just nobody does that
to Detroit. Nobody does that to a Dan and Dan
Campbell team. I mean they were zero for five on
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fourth downs. You watch the fourth down tape all you
didn't matter it was fourth and one or fourth and four,
like they bully you up front. And this addition of
they made two changes in the last two games. Now
n Kobe Dean is starting linebacker and Jalen Phillips at
the left outside outside linebacker, and both those guys have
made immediate dividends, I mean return on investment. And then
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Jalen Carter is healthy. Now you know, Jordan Dave's been
playing well all year. Noel Smith is in a good
role like that.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Jo is a Jobo's turnament, a really good player.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
I mean he just took you know, rut Ledge right,
rat Ledge, you know, just swadded them and let Jalen
Carter finished it. But they physically, I mean, they just
follow you right now, like, yes, Jamier Gibbs had some
plays in the screen game and he was he made
some plays and SAMs and Williams made one play, but
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other or that they didn't give me anything nothing all night.
And on the other side of the ball, I mean,
it's just unwatchable their offense. But at the same time,
they don't turn the ball over, and you know, they'll
just they'll win these games ten to seven, you know,
sixteen nine, and it doesn't matter, like that's how they're
gonna win these games.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, boy, that came away watching it that defensively, they're
good enough to go the distance with the defense just
kind of carrying the water. If they don't turn the
ball over on the offense, it's gonna be hard for
teams to beat them. You talked about the additions, Jalen
Phillips being in the lineup, Nikobe Dean being a linebacker.
The thing about it was Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter
on the inside. I think both of them they combine
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for maybe five bad it passes at the line of scrimmage,
and you know how fu dj you know as a
quarter about how frustrating deb is every time you get
the ball out, it's back in. Your face is down,
so then you change your arm angle, you're quickening your delivery.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Everything is out of source.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
And for the first time in a long time, I
saw Jerry Goff just completely uncomfortable, just out of source,
not having a clear answer to what the Eagles are doing.
And then you're looking at what they're doing in the
back and you're like, man.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
This is a complex. They're not doing anything elaborate.
Speaker 4 (08:14):
It's just, man, this team just brought some kick butt
and they just put it on them.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
You know, I always love trying to put phrases together
on stuff that you watch Buck, I've been doing that forever.
We always have fun with it. But I was looking
at this Philly front and I'm thinking that this is
the phrase I came up with. I'm like, they got
firm and fastballs.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Man.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
They got guys like A Joemo and B G. Brandon
Graham firm And then next thing you look up and
there's fastballs coming at you. Whether it's Nolan Smith Jalen Phillips,
who's loosened up now on that wide nine and he's
got a runway and now he can turn speed to power.
But that's a fastball. Then you look inside you get
another one. Dude. You talk about quickness and explosiveness. Jalen Carter,
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his ability, his lateral ability, it's like he teleports from
one one gap to another gap with what he does.
And then you got Jordan Davis, who's maybe more on
the firm, but it's like everybody that they have Baldy
either going to get a firm, hands to your chest
or you don't know where the guy went. He's already
passed you.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Well, Philadelphians don't like this, but they're the broad Street bullies, man.
I mean, I know what reserved for hockey, but they're
just the broad Street bullies right now. And that's what
they're doing. They did into green Bay on money. They
did it to Green Bay in Detroit, the NFC North, right,
the two leaders in the NFC North in a six
day span, and they just bullied him up front. And
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when Nikobe comes on a blitz like I don't know,
I think Josh Jacobs is and David Montgomery about as
good as he gets when it comes to blitz pickup,
and he just splattered both those guys and they led
the huge plays in both games here over the six days.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
And I watched that. You mentioned the fourth down zero
for five on fourth down for Detroit, three for thirteen
on third downs, So just going through that, and it's Phillips,
it's him collapse in the pocket multiple times as Carter
went in the quickness, and I mentioned Graham and a
Joemo just stacking blocks. You mentioned the Na Kobe Dean
blitz even on one that they converted. It was a
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third and shortish and they end up hitting a big play,
but you're watching it in ninety and ninety eight or
thirty yards down the field chasing it down. I'm like
that speaks to the culture that they have there on
that defense man and.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Not just that DJ, but what they've done now with
Noel Smith coming back and Jalen you know coming.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Get yeah, Jalux Hunt still coming front.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I mean, they've got depth up there right now, you know.
And so they're just going to and you know, they're
they're building this thing for a deep run in January.
So they're going to try and keep those guys as
fresh as they can right now along that defensive line
without you know, and trading those guys out without losing
a lot upfront.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
When some guy goes out of the out of the lineup. Yeah,
I'm big on it, man. I think that the best
defenses in the league. One of the things that they
have in common is they've got two waves of guys
up front, and they play fast and they cannot have
to worry about having to conserve any energy. But anyways,
big win for Philly. Their roleing offensively ugly, no question, Detroit,
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it's in playwall GoF didn't play well.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Bucks Seattle and the Rams a game we've been looking
forward to for a long time. It delivered.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, absolutely delivered. I think what's interesting about this.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Game the Rams referencing their experience going against Sam Donald
last year in Minnesota, even though it's not the same
scheme and those things, but they gained a lot of
confidence out of knowing they faced him at the end
of the year and they did a really good job
of just destroying his rhythm, his timing, and maybe even
a little bit of his confidence.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
They were all over the place.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
And the one thing that I know about the Rams,
having watched him personally, Donkey kick the Jaguars over in
London defensively when they are.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
Going with Jared Vers and all those young guys heating
them up. Man, they can come at you in waves.
They're a very physical team.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
And I'm gonna say this, whatever they do with the
reclamation projects in the back end, Emanuel Ford's playing well
for them. Darius Williams playing well for them after I
watched him struggle in Jacksonville. Maybe it's Rvey pleasant or whatever,
but they they find a way to get all these
guys on the same page, and the rush matches the
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coverage and it's a very very difficult defense to have
to contend with over sixty minutes.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Yeah, go ahead, Baldi.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Well, I was just.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Cam Kinchens, you know, Cam Kitchens and Cam curl they
you know Lake.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I mean, they played their safeties.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
But you know, the first interception Sam threw is a
classic one rat out of a disguise Cover two and
Curls going to the middle of the field and Kitchens
is just he's just in there being a rat.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
He jumped right in front of the you know of
a Smith and Jigba throw and I don't think Sam
ever saw him. He picked it off clean, and then
he was in a you know, deep path, just playing
cover two, reading two to one, and again they came
to they went to Auroral in the middle of the
field and he just jumped right in front of that throw.
And then even on the Darius Williams interception, he came
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on a blitze and hit Sam Darnold and as he
threw it, you could you know He's just like this
just didn't come out. I mean, he made three big plays.
I want to say this, uh DJ this Snate Laman
is one hell of a football like.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
He was in Atlanta. He wasn't even drafted, was he.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
I don't believe, so I to pull that one.
Speaker 5 (13:19):
He's everywhere like he does everything. He's just one of
those players.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
He does everything fundamentally sound and you just watch him.
He's he's all over the field. He leads the team
in tackles by mile, and he was all over the
field again on Sunday. But despite the turnovers by the Rams,
Seattle is still there at the end. Defense just rescued
him time after time again and held him to three
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touchdowns a lot of short fields. But that that rematch
on December eighteenth can be I mean, that's prime time
viewing right there.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
All right, Baldi, he want some Nate Lambman. Scaley's give
me some meat, all right, Nate Lambman, this is what
was born like in South Africa something. Yeah, I don't
have the personal stuff. So he was at Colorado, so
he was six oh two four two thirty eight. He
ran four eight six. So there's the reason why he
wasn't drafted four eight six. He missed five games that
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year with a shoulder injury, but still had six TFLs.
Fur PBUs. He's a mic. He directs traffic. He's got
I this is my accoum. And I say he's got
quick eyes and slow feet. He's a he's a catch tackler.
But to me, you got somebody who's you know, you
can see the through line here right, direct traffic communicator.
You know instincts. He just didn't he just didn't run.
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But when you take two steps in the right direction
before everybody else on the field, it does eliminate some
of that need. And they've done that. Man. You look
at what they've done with the Reclamation project with Emmanuel Forbes,
who was a really good college football player who was
just light and was missing tackles in Washington, Like they
find the good, Like that's the whole point of scouting
Buck and I I mean when you're in the room,
that's what you talk about. Hey, hey, hey, hey, you
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keep telling me what he can't do? What can this
guy do? And that's a great example of this kid.
But I tell you, you know, he's got four force fumbles.
He had another one they didn't recover, but he had
another one on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
But even in Atlanta's two years in Atlanta, he had
three force fumbles in each year, he's got ten forces.
He fills up the stat sheet, the guy, you know,
and so like he's he's just he's exactly what they
need because that front is really really talented and they
got a lot of so he just cleans up. He's
just a vacuum cleaner in there, clean up these tackles right.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Now, Gavin filled it in there. Bucks Zimbabwe and dad
played rugby, so yeah, rugby, that was him.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, I mean, look a great break around. But DJ,
we talked about it, Baldy.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Culturally, it's the expectations that you put on the young
players or the players that come in to build it.
We're gonna coach everybody and if you don't make it,
you're gonna make it somewhere. I just believe there's certain
organizations that really pour into the development process when it
comes to young players, and those guys benefit as a result,
and the team benefits from being able to play all
those young guys at one time.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
So just from less needs draft philosophy here, DJ, you're
talking about resources and the defense. They've drafted two defensive
linemen in each of the last three drafts, and they're
all on the field, you know, and so you see
Stewart out there now, but Byron Young and Kobe Turner
and like the whole group, you know, you know, obviously
Fisk and verse, but they've drafted two in each draft
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and they're all on the field, and so they've just
rebuilt that whole.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
Front, you know.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
I mean there's Aaron Donald, you know, retiring his jersey
a Pitt on Saturday, and I'm like, here they are, like, no,
Aaron Donald, But they're really good and you know, as
a group right.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Now, Yeah, they went from they you know, that's the
sign of a smart GM too, is that they've they've
changed the makeup of the team in terms of the
complexion of it. Where they were, I mean, there was
the whole screw them picks stars right, stars and maybe
maybe not yeah, but yeah, Ram and yeah you had
those pillars right. It was like Mount rushmore of those
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you know, four four guys And now you look up
and it's like, okay, we did that. Now we still
got Stafford, which is huge piece of it, and we
still got a couple other guys because it has developed
into that. But it's just we're going to overwhelm you
with depth. It's two different ways to get into the
finish line. But that shows you the adaptability there, which
I think is a great sign book of a personnel
department knows what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the debtability is everything. I
think like certain years.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
Require you to be like really really heavy when we
talk about the draft developed process of the time, piers
require you to be aggressive when it comes to free
agency training in those things, and DJ as our generation
takes over these jobs with decision makers and those things,
you are seeing people take more aggressive approaches when it
comes to rebuilding the franchise, doing it a few different ways.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
In the Rams have kind of been on the forefront
of that movement.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
When Les talked about f those picks, everyone laughed, but
he was right because it paid off of them.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
But then they come right back.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
And the reason why they're able to blow off those
early picks because they did such a great job drafting
y late day two throughout Day three, being able to
get players turn into.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
The viable starters in those things.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Yeah. The other thing is, by the way the Rams,
they're gonna end up with a top ten pick. Man,
They've got Atlanta's first round pick next year. Pennix is
out for the year. They are struggling, and you watch
Les can do what he wants so that he could
take take somebody there, or he could everybody's telling everybody
in the scouting community, Baldy, we are all looking towards
twenty seven like this twenty six draft. Cute little draft.
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Twenty seven could be an all timer. All right, let's
going to spend that thing and just start collecting and
just have a massive haul for the lottery there in
twenty twenty seven. See if you can't get a shot
at Jeremiah Smith and company. All right, that's say quick break,
we'll get back knock out a few more games, all right, Baldi,
This was a big one in the AFC. West Man Denver.
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They pick up the win twenty two to nineteen late
last minute drive, which I'll get to in a minute,
but just your takeaways on maybe the biggest win Denver's
had quite some time.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
Yeah, well, I mean, I thought just watching one of
my favorite players in this league is Jawuan McMillan. And
while Denver has had a lot of name guys from
Sir tand to you know, Bonito, I mean, a lot
of name players in that defense Halfanga has been playing great,
but I mean Jakwan made he made some of the
biggest players. I mean, he got the interception on a
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scrambled drill where Mahomes as Mitchell for a touchdown They're
going to take the lead in the third quarter, he
intercepts it. He he sacks Mahomes, you know, towards the
end of the game, when it's nineteen nineteen, it's tied,
you know, it's Mahomes time. He comes off the edge
corner cat like a bat out of hell, and so
you know, the defense rows up, you know, and bow
Nicks can struggle for a long stretch of a lot
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of games, but he seems to be clutch when they
need him to be clutch.
Speaker 5 (19:40):
And he and he was again on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
You know, here's the thinking about both Nicks.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
Boennicks has five game winning drives fourth quarter comebacks this season.
And everyone will give the Broncos a tough time about
their offense and it being pedestrian and not explosive in
those things, and some of that is obviously true, but
also think that Sean Paigne leans into the dominance of
his defense and he understands how to win games. And
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this was a game where I felt like the Broncos
didn't play well, but they were always in it and
they knew they could still it at the end.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
And then you look up and bow Knicks makes a
couple of throws.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
They kind of get down to it, they hit the
game winner, and they go and they vanquish the evil
o Umpire like they kind of drove a stake through
the heart of the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And so give the Broncos credit. It has not been ugly.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
I mean it's not been pretty at all, but man,
they just keep stacking wins and you look up the
right where they need to be. When we talk about
incontingent for the number one overall Sea, I.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Went through that game winning drive. And something that I've
always been a firm believer in and it drives me insane,
is that, you know, we always used to talk abally, hey,
first downs, not touchdowns, like that's the key to the
two minute drill, Like we're just worried about let's get
the first first down and then we go. But the
first play that they ran was a bubble and it
was like, oh, okay, this is what we're just gonna see.
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As Bucky always said, we don't see the ball go
through the hoop man, Let's just get a little completion.
We're going to get what we can get. But now
it's just there's a feeling as a quarterback, Okay, we
got something going. There's even if you're second and eight,
it's just different. Then you throw incomplete and you're like,
oh crap, it's all my it's second ten. Now now
we're kind of grinding. But I think even just the
simplicity of that show, Sean Payton kind of has an
overall awareness. And that's why you don't do this by accident.
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We have this many come from behind wins.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
He signed an accent. You know, he knows how to
set plays up and wait for certain situations when when
to call things. He knows the flow of the game
and where you're going to need to be, and I
think he just saved certain certain plays for situations like that.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
And Bo Nicks.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I'm sure Sean isn't the nicest guy to be around
on Wednesdays and Thursdays out there, but I'm sure that
Bo just has that thick skin too when he's making
sure that he understands the I know, just talking to
guys that have coached with Sean, like he has men
niacle about red zone offense. One reason why I read,
you know, Russell was gone, like they just didn't understand
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just how just how on you have to be in
that part of the field. And that's you know, that
keeps him up late at night. But I thought he
saved some good plays at the end.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yeah, he says some good plays, but not only dad Man,
just his understanding.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
You talk about how experience matters.
Speaker 4 (22:25):
Experience and the expertise of clock management and game management.
That's where the veteran coaches can kind of steal things
from other than obviously any reason on the other side,
but Sean Payton's keen understanding of what we need to
do today to win the game comes out in his
play call in the way that he runs the entire operation.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Other thing I'll add on, you know these late drives
to win games. And we've seen it with Caleb Williams,
who will get to in a little bit who he
has five of these things as well. Think about Mahomes
and his late game magic he's had for his entire career.
There's always one play in that drive where your legs
come into it, whether or not you're going to scramble
and pick up the first down. This case, it was
third and fifteen, and he's able to buy some time
and able to get a nice conversion down the field
(23:06):
and then you have your opportunity with bald these reference
and you know, I love the phrase Ben Johnson used
this in their game last week where he talks about
hunting coverages, like I've got play calls around hunting a
certain coverage and if we if we get the coverage
we want, that's the play.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
It's going to work.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
So they run a switch release and he has a
seven route to Franklin to kind of to put them
in the field goal position to win the game. But
it was give you a completion early. Hey, you're going
to need to use your legs at some point in
time to help us convert and then hopefully eventually we're
going to hunt a coverage. We're gonna get the right
We're gonna get the right look from a defense. We're
gonna be able to cash in with the big chump
play that we need. But that seems to be the
(23:40):
formula and they've got it and Baldy, I mean, we
don't need to belabor it. But Kansas City's five hundre
right now. They got the Colts next week. Man like
they are in some real trouble here.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Well, they're three and a half games behind Denver. I'm
going to be in Kansas City Sunday. You know, the
Colts had a bye week, so they're going to be
rested and fresh. They're playing without you know, DeForest Buckner,
which is big loss defensively, but it's it's you know,
we'll uh like it. There are seasons on the line,
you know, because you're going to see other teams emerge
(24:12):
in the AFC right now that are are going to
be you know, I think Denver's gonna win the division
right now for the first time. Whatever it is you
know since Elway was probably there, Peyton Manning, I guess
it's been a long time, but I mean they're they're
in the driver's seat right now, in good shape, with
one up on Kansas City like that. One thing, one
real quick thing is like I remember at the trade
(24:33):
deadline two weeks ago, everybody was like, ah, you know,
Denver should go get a receiver. I'm like, maybe they should.
But at the same time, you look at Pat Bryant,
Troy Franklin and all these guys that they've drafted, like
they're all you know, I mean, I know Courtland Sutton
is their go to guy, but I mean all these
guys have stepped up, you know, at certain times, and
they've got they've got like a different role for all
(24:54):
of them, a defined role.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
They spread the ball around. Man, it look that it's
worked and whatever they're doing is working. Buck Baltimore, Cleveland
Baltimore gets to win twenty three to sixteen.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Really interesting in watching this game, man, for most of
the game, the Cleveland Browns were in control of this game.
Speaker 3 (25:12):
I mean they were able to get it.
Speaker 4 (25:13):
Done with their defense kind of leading away getting pick
six is Devin Bush takes a pick six back then
knocking them around and then you know, Dylan Gabriel gets hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Shad Or Sanders comes in and he's not able to
move the offense, and that just.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Gave the Ravens enough time to kind of work their
way back into the mix. Not a pretty performers, But
I would say the thing that stood out to me
was the push play. That the trick where they spin
up on their Mark Andrews comes out the back door.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
A great play.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
We've seen other teams use different things, and it's the
always Enever so often in football we talked about, hey,
they always do this, they never do that, And in
breaking the tendency, they found a way to get a
game winning touchdown.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Because they did something that wasn't on the play card
for the Browns.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
That's great, great point bucket because they they had run
that play on their touch push with Mark Andrews a
number of times over the last two years and to
be able to pull that one out like that, and
I'm sure Cleveland was not expecting that, So they broke
that tendency really good. But you know this this, I
guess if you're you know, if you're in that building,
DJ you know a month ago when you're one in
(26:22):
five and you're in the crypt and they're thinking, how
the hell are we going to get out of this?
You know, and Pittsburgh is rolling at that time, and
if you just defensively, like they got Rokwon back and
they got healthier, and Kyle Hamilton is just everywhere now,
like they got their guys back on the field, Like
that defense has been carrying them, you know, going back
(26:43):
to the Chicago win when Nate Wiggins intercepted the ball
in Caleb at the end of the game when it
was tied. The defense is making these plays right now
to keep them going because the offense still doesn't look great.
It doesn't look playoff ready yet. But they've got time
right now. I mean, they've got two games with Pittsburgh
coming up and it's going to decide the division.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I think the schedule set up for him going
back through it here. So when they're sitting at one
and five, after that, they had Chicago, which was going
to be tough for him, and the score looks lopsided
because of that late interception. That was a very close
game which they got. And once they got that first game, okay,
Miami twenty eight to six. You get Minnesota, who was
not in a good spot, twenty seven to nineteen. They
(27:23):
win this game against Cleveland, They've got the Jets, they've
got the Bengals, They've got Pittsburgh and the Bengals again.
I mean, the next time they're going to play a
team that's that you could say is really rolling, is
going to be New England and who knows what they
are at that point time, but that's not until December
twenty first, So really from you know, after losing on
October twelfth, the schedule was their friend there, and I
(27:45):
think that's got to give you a little confidence. Once
they got that first one, they just need to get
that Chicago game, and then the defense started playing better,
and now it's they're set up.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
Man.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I don't know, I don't look at any the odd stuff,
but I would imagine they probably hear the favorite even
though they're you know, trailing. That's been right now. Yeah,
So I mean it's all lined up for him Buck.
I do want to mention two things real quick. Kyle
Hamilton told Baldy about this one this morning. That was
fun to watch. Nine tackles, a sack, three TFLs. There's
one he comes downhill in Stone's Potonio knocks him back
(28:15):
three yards and make a play. Then you'll see him
out in space, avoid a block and make a tackle.
You'll see him rush over the center. They line them
up over the center and he just wins immediately and
ends up spinning off and getting a sack. Then he's
backside on a runaway and they don't account for him.
He closes the back door, makes a tackle. Like guys everywhere, Man,
(28:35):
he does so many different things.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Bucky, let me ask you this, because how do you
design the defense with the guy that can be that
is that versatile Where he had is it just complete
freedom within the scheme to line up on the center
and do this or you know to you know, he'll
he'll be in the A gap and next thing you know,
he's in deep center field.
Speaker 5 (28:57):
And like just the way that they use them.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
It's just there's really maybe imam worry with Mike McDonald
over time can get like that. But there's really the
most unique defensive player in this league right now.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
No, I've never really seen anything like you.
Speaker 4 (29:12):
You talk about that hybrid position and what you can
do and being able to pounce around. I think it
takes a player who has a unique skill set. It
takes a player who also has a high i Q
to do all the different things they're asking them to do.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
And then there has to be the want to desire,
like I want to be special.
Speaker 4 (29:26):
And what special players do is they do these other
things to elevate the play of their team.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Theyson his ability to.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
Go to that spot and right after that spot, you
saw the defense quickly repair yourself. And that's what they've
been able to do. And it also takes a village
and a supporting cast. You talk about the trade that
they get, the free safety coming over, you think about
the other guys, Malachot starrksmen to play his role in
the back end, and all the pieces of the puzzle
coming together. But yeah, man, you talk about a difference maker,
(29:55):
game changer sods.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Well, I mean I see a very similar thing with Derwin.
You Darwin's roll and locked in, Derwin draws a lot
of attention. Now, difference is Darwin's got some good players
around him. He didn't have Rokwan Smith Like, there's other
guys that you got to really really account for there
in that front. But man, Kyle Hampton special player. And
then lastly on that game and then we'll keep it moving.
I mean, just because people are gonna ask you do
or gets in four of sixteen forty seven yards three
(30:19):
carries sixteen yards going through it. They start out nice,
get them, a little half roll got them completion, a
little sit route gets completion, and then you have the
poor decision, you know, and inaccurate ball gets picked another
one that Kyle Hamilton should have picked when he's trying
to throw across his body. I'm just trying to do
too much. The thing that I like the most about it,
And obviously the numbers are the numbers, but man, he
(30:40):
played aggressive. My thing is you get sometimes you get
young guys in there, they just want to think of
dunk the ball down like he was trying to be
aggressive and push the ball down the field, which is
definitely something you could work with baldly. My dad used
to always say, I'd rather rain in a thoroughbread than
have to kick a donkey in the butt, you know,
like that's a good thing to have there somebody that
wants to be aggressive versus trying to teach him to
be aggressive. And then the other thing I wrote down
(31:02):
is Buck He's just going to have to learn to
play without time and space, because when there's time and space,
he's a really pure thrower. He can really spend it.
He does a lot of good things. But as he
learned at Colorado, he can time and space can be
in short supply. And the difference is that's similar to Colorado.
The differences and you don't have Travis Hunter still creating
(31:23):
six yards of separation even though you're in a condensed pocket.
He's in condensed pockets and doesn't have that separation. That's
going to be an adjustment for him.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
Yeah, it's a huge adjustment, and I think everyone is
right about in terms of what they saw like some good,
some bad things, some things that he can iron out
and work on. It'd be interesting if he gets a
start next week and he begets to take all of
the first team reps and gets all of that stuff
and he plays within a game plan that is built
specifically for him as opposed to running the Dylan Gabriel offense.
(31:55):
All those things that did, and then I would say
to him, like so many of these other young guys
that we see in around the league, whether it's Abduel
Carter or Kean Coben and those things. It's not the same,
but it is. Man, you got to be ready when
your chance comes, no matter what they say, no matter
how few reps you get, when your numbers call, it's
on you as a professional to be ready. And so
(32:16):
he has to be ready when he gets that opportunity
because sometimes that opportunity doesn't come back around, and so
you got to be able to take advantage.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
Of it when you get your shot.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
DJ just from a quarterback standpoint, he never threw to
a tight end at Colorado. The two best receivers are
tight ends in Cleveland. Like is that and he's not
getting any reps, But I mean the use of the
tight end. Hit the tight end on the crossing route
and you know that was a good throw. But I'm
just curious, is that like any kind of an adjustment
or is that just something that everybody adjusts to.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
I have to pull up the numbers of the tape
in front of it. I remember in the preseason, I
remember him hitting a joke. If I'm not mistaken, I
remember him hitting some tight ends and making some place.
I think that'll be fine. I think he's gonna learn.
He's got to, you know, I talked about being aggressive.
He's going to have to hunt easier completions and those
are going to come with your tight ends and your backs,
which is what this offense really is. They don't have
real dudes out there, big time dudes. So you he's smart,
(33:11):
He's he's someone. I think that the difference between him
and Gabriel is I think Gabriel coming into this process
played so much ball that but his ceiling not become tight.
But like his ceiling was just much lower, and he
might already be closer to that to maximizing that. Whereas
we shoot, even though the numbers are the numbers, you
could see like there's a couple real close where they
(33:32):
just didn't quite bring it in down the field. But
like he's got some he could play at a higher
level if he gets to everything that he has. He
just can push the ball and he's just more a
little bit more dynamic of a thrower than Gabriel is.
Speaker 3 (33:44):
Buck. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
And the thing that he has to do though is
he has to get used to the boring work. So
when you talk about the checkdowns to underneath things whatever,
like we've seen that Drew Brees did this for years.
Checked out underneath, checked out underneath, and as soon as
you deviated and came out the coverage, punish you with
a ball down the scene. Schaudure and a lot of
young quarterbacks they have to understand that patience, that discipline.
(34:07):
When you ran from the pocket, you got to take
the underneath stuff into the biggest stuff opens up naturally.
Maybe he'll have an opportunity to do it, maybe he
will buy into that. But yeah, what we saw is
the good and Baddes should do is saying this all
in one.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Yeah, and by the way, congratulations, you finally get You're
gonna get your opportunity as the weather's getting ready to
turn it, you know. Oh boy, man, Cleveland, there's no
where I'm having worked there. It gets later in the year,
not an easy place to throw the football. Baldi Chicago, Minnesota,
Chicago another comeback win mentioned earlier. That's five for Caleb
now to match Goo nixt nineteen seventeen. They get out
(34:40):
of Minnesota with a big win.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well they did, and I haven't I haven't really studied
it yet, but I just know that Caleb, you know,
did not turn the ball over again and just watching
him over the last few weeks of this wind streak
that they're on, Like he's definitely thrown the ball on
timing much better than at any point last year. But
his athletic ability continues to show up. Like they're running
(35:02):
the ball really well, but he's a big part of
the runs, whether it's third down scrambles or designed a
couple of design runs, Like he's so talented to be
able to stay on his feet, he is a hard
guy to get to the ground. And I think the
line is really coming on and the way that they
use their tight ends, the way that they're setting up
their blocks right now. You know, DeAndre got back into
(35:25):
the fold and Manongay has been really really good for him,
and then Cale, Like they've got three guys that really
kind of spearhead the run game. I think that's where
it starts with Ben Johnson. It did when he was
in Detroit, and you could see the creativity is there
in the offense, but at the same time, the basics
of what they want to do and how they want
(35:46):
to control the line of scrimmage is very real. And
then just defensively, like Kevin Byern has always taken the
ball away in this business. Like he's got thirty I
think thirty five or thirty six career interceptions. He did
the same thing Middle Tennessee State. But I thought I
thought he was on his way out of the league.
He was bounced around a couple of teams. He was
(36:06):
in Philly, wasn't very good. Like he's gotten to Chicago
and he's got himself a home there right now, and
he's making a difference on the back end of that defense.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:16):
You know what's what's interesting because you talked about Chicago
so much of our time we spent on Ben Johnson,
But Dennis Alla's done a really good job of cleaning
up some of the issues that they've had defensively. I
wasn't talking about Buyer and those guys to keeping the
ball in front and not letting the beat deep ball
go over the top of the defense, not letting it
go outside. And when you take that and you take
what Ben Johnson is doing offensively.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Exotic smash box is what I want to call it.
Speaker 4 (36:40):
They want to do the bills and whistlesdn't have all
the bizazs, but at the end of the day, they
want to be a physical team, and so they're beginning
to believe that that formula, that recipe that works for everybody.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
Run at play, good defense.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
Score, when you can kick field goals, do all those things,
you can win a lot of games. And as this
team gains more confidence in their leader.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
May be a very very day just seemed in the stretch.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
And I think any like, I think I think Chicago
lead the league in takeaways.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I think they're at twenty two right now.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Yes, and you think the ball away twenty two times
in ten games whatever it is right now, Like.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
That's a pretty that's a pretty good pace.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
You're winning the turnover battle most weeks if you're you're
at twenty two takeaways.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Yeah, yeah, I think when you look at the interception leaders,
they got like three of the top four something like
that in the league. In terms of the picks offensively,
one of the things I wanted to look at here
because I'm just curious. I don't know that there's a
better you know, one two punch at tight end than
they have right now with Comet and Lovelin, And I
just want to see usage wise, like how they're how
they differentiate from each other, and really Comets just like
(37:40):
been the safety valve. He's just going to be there
waiting for Caleb and the flat you want an easy completion,
He's there for you. He's going to be where he
needs to be. He gives you a nice, big target,
presents himself well, and then Lovelin gives you a little
more sizzle, a little more pop to be able to
get down the field, get down the seams. And the
other thing is and this is not just with him,
and I know I believe that they worked on this.
(38:00):
I heard that they'd worked on this in the bye
and it's shown up the last couple of weeks. They're
getting better in the scrambled drill. And if you haven't
played with a quarterback who can stay alive as long
as Caleb has, you're not going to understand. You know
the ins and outs of that. That's not an easy thing. Bucky,
You've played the position, so I know you can speak
to this. But being able to stay alive, being able
to give him something when he's creating time. Loveland's a real,
(38:23):
real athletic and he's able to on those broken plays separate,
get where he needs to be, present himself well and
gives him some give them some big plays but I
love that one two punch, and I think this team
is figuring out how to play with Caleb week by week.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah. No, here's the thing.
Speaker 4 (38:38):
When I was going all the way back to Green Bay,
when braand Flau was in the middle of his three
MVP run, we would have scrambled drill periods where everything
was intentional. He's going to scramble and you would give
the wide receivers rules. If you're coming across the field,
you work across to get into a sideline. If you're
doing something coming back to the quarterback, you automatically turn up.
(38:59):
And every week, once or twice a week, you've worked
on those things.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
So it's not by design. It's an organized chaos.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
That least, when you think about the big plays that
show up, those sick and reaction plays, the defender just.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
Gets lost in the sauce what he's been doing since
Maomes came into the league.
Speaker 4 (39:18):
If you coordinated in the scrambled drew, you talk about
the explosive plays that you can generate.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
You're beginning to see that with.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
The Chicago Bears, Baldy, we had another move the sticks bowl.
I mean, Bucky has been kicking my tail. I mean
app State beating North Carolina once. Chargers I think maybe
have gotten Jacksonville once. I don't know, they have to
go back and look at it.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
No, I think that, Yeah, the Jags are undefeated against
somehow Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
Yeah, so the jack So he's only with the Jags
Chargers thing with our little side gigs and Carolina has
been kicking our tail. I mean, and this one was
a beat down thirty five or six.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Man.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Yeah, Well, they've had they've They've they've been the spoiler
a couple of times, you know, over the last decade.
I guess you got to still celebrate those big wins
that they've had.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
Yeah, Buck, I mean this was forty seven runs for
one hundred and ninety two yards. Herbert, you know, threw
for eighty one yards on a pick. I'll talk on
the Chargers to that side real real quick, and I'll
get to the Jag side. But you know, charger wise,
they're gonna have to figure them out. They're going to
the by. They looked a little tired, they looked a
little the fargic. And I'm not making any excuses for him,
(40:25):
but just I watched that tape right after I watched
the Philly tape and you watched the Philly Biggs and
how they were chasing and running. Now, the time of
possession was hugely in their favor for the jag So
I think that that group got a little bit tired
for the Chargers. But they were matching with two bigs
to a team that really wanted to run the ball.
So you got two bigs and two stand up edge guys.
At one of the Bigs at times was a boy
(40:45):
b who's not the biggest guy in the world. They
I just didn't think they had enough beef out there
and got kind of pushed around and moved around a
little bit, and then some misalignment stuff against some three
tight ends and they I mean, look, Liam Cohen got
them last year with Tampa and then ran the ball
down their throats and did it again this time with Jacksonville.
So you know that was that side of the ball
and the other side of the ball. Offensively, two of
the first three pass attempts, Herbert just smokes smokes quick
(41:08):
screens out to wide receivers like they did against Pittsburgh
the week before and never went back to it. So
you're either as the Chargers, you're going to force the
opposing corners to tackle your receivers quickly in space, or
you're going to try and play from the pocket and
you're going to ask your offensive tackles who are not
your starters to block edge rushers like that's their options.
(41:29):
And I don't know that that was the right choice
in that game.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
Yeah, No, it was interesting in this game, DJ coming
on the heels of this, and I.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
Got to give you reference.
Speaker 4 (41:38):
So when the Jags blow to lead twenty nine to
ten last week against the Houston Texans, Liam Cohen in
the staff they go into the locker room and they talked.
Speaker 3 (41:46):
About, hey man, we got to own this. You have
to own it. There's no running from it. You have
to own it.
Speaker 4 (41:51):
You got to figure out how to learn the lesson
to apply it. And I feel like for every coach
there's always a crossroads where you have to make a
decision on whether you're going to double down to your philosophy.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Or you're gonna change.
Speaker 4 (42:05):
And this was the game that was a crossroads game
where Liam Cohen had talked about being a physical football team,
a running football team in those things and against the
bullies that the charges can be when they're locked in
he doubled down, and the team responded, Now, will this
be a thing that launches him the rest of the way.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
We'll see.
Speaker 4 (42:25):
But to me, when I asked him about it after
the game, he was like, at the end of the day,
you always got to go back to.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
Who you are in these difficult moments.
Speaker 4 (42:33):
And that's what they leaned into. And so the big
says to running the game, the running game, the way
they play defense, all of it simplified it and just say, hey,
we're going to see if we can just outsmash a
team that loves the smash and they way to be
successful on Sunday, Well.
Speaker 1 (42:47):
They did it. I mean, Harbaugh set after the game
and beat us up, physically, beat us up every where
you can bet beat a team up. Now, they got
the bye weekend and they've got the Raiders before the
Eagles come into town, so they got a chance to
get rested up. I think of Marion Hampton, there's a
decent shot he's back, which will help that run team
a little bit. All right, hey, Baldy, you're the best brother.
We appreciate your time. Man. We'll see you next week.
Speaker 5 (43:06):
Okay, guys, you bet.
Speaker 3 (43:09):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (43:10):
Buck great to have Baldi with us on here each
and every week. I don't know what happened in the
rookie draft. I guess we'll find out tomorrow. Ga step
in for me. I'm hoping he had a great draft.
We're gonna figure out how I did. I'm gonna claim
the victory if if we won, I'm gonna claim it
even though Gavin made the picks. And if we don't,
you know, hey, Gavin might he should lose that job.
(43:30):
He could definitely do that job as the assistant GM,
as the assistant rookie GM. But I'm gonna wait and
see how he did first.
Speaker 3 (43:37):
Yeah, hopefully hopefully turns up better.
Speaker 4 (43:39):
We can shut out Rick because right now he's having
so success rookie draft.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yeah yeah, I heard it RHTT on the call Big
ten Network. He had usc Iowa top twenty five game
doing the play by play last week.
Speaker 3 (43:52):
How about that?
Speaker 1 (43:53):
Are thettle Rets all grown up?
Speaker 3 (43:54):
All growing up? PBu no more?
Speaker 1 (43:57):
Gavin said, I need a big one from JENTI see
what happens, all right, that's gonna go for it. So
they appreciate you, guys. I see you next time right
here on. Move the sticks, ye
Speaker 3 (44:10):
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For more than 30 years The River Cafe in London, has been the home-from-home of artists, architects, designers, actors, collectors, writers, activists, and politicians. Michael Caine, Glenn Close, JJ Abrams, Steve McQueen, Victoria and David Beckham, and Lily Allen, are just some of the people who love to call The River Cafe home. On River Cafe Table 4, Rogers sits down with her customers—who have become friends—to talk about food memories. Table 4 explores how food impacts every aspect of our lives. “Foods is politics, food is cultural, food is how you express love, food is about your heritage, it defines who you and who you want to be,” says Rogers. Each week, Rogers invites her guest to reminisce about family suppers and first dates, what they cook, how they eat when performing, the restaurants they choose, and what food they seek when they need comfort. And to punctuate each episode of Table 4, guests such as Ralph Fiennes, Emily Blunt, and Alfonso Cuarón, read their favourite recipe from one of the best-selling River Cafe cookbooks. Table 4 itself, is situated near The River Cafe’s open kitchen, close to the bright pink wood-fired oven and next to the glossy yellow pass, where Ruthie oversees the restaurant. You are invited to take a seat at this intimate table and join the conversation. For more information, recipes, and ingredients, go to https://shoptherivercafe.co.uk/ Web: https://rivercafe.co.uk/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/therivercafelondon/ Facebook: https://en-gb.facebook.com/therivercafelondon/ For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iheartradio app, apple podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.com
Dateline NBC
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