September 24, 2025 • 52 mins
Peanut Tillman and Roman Harper sit down with Hall of Fame defensive tackle John Randle to find out what made him the king of talking trash, what inspired him to paint his face for games, and the weirdest pre-game ritual that he and his teammates tried. John also discusses his work with the NFL Legends community and why it’s important to reach out to people when you’re having a hard time.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Play to be over and I just walk up behind
me and it's like touch him on his back, touch
him on his button, just like touches on. You're like, hm,
You're like, don't touch me. So display I'm on the ground.
I'm trying to touch and he looks. He just jumps
down on me and he's like elbowing me as he's
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doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm looking at for the rep. We're like, get him off,
get him?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What's up? Everybody on Peanut too mean?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
And this is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast and
with me as always my trusty co hosts, mister Roman,
show my chest, I don't shave Harper. Oh yeah, man,
I appreciate. I get my own seff a clap on that.
Thank you, that was good. I'm actually like hubs, I
would say, because i'm your golf coach for the week.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, I'm trying to help my guy out.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
This has actually been very interesting because he's actually excited.
I'm excited because we got a golf for That is
a former NFL Hall of Famer on the podcast, right,
former in it. No, he is in there. He's not
a former. He is a Hall of Famer. He's a
former football player that was a Hall of Famer, but
now he's.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Just stopped talking. I got it. Look it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
First off, let me just say, y'all have seen this man.
If you've watched NFL films, you've seen this man. He
is like the face of talking. He paints his face.
He's a world class talker. He's in the Hall of Fame.
He has one hundred and thirty seven and a half sacks,
the most by a defensive tackle. He works now with
the NFL A Leigenus community. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
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to the pot. Mister John Redo just pop.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You guys are good.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
All I'm gonna tell you is I just remember when
I was a kid, I used to watch the NFL
film shows and they would they would show you when
you were miked up, and you made that look fun
even though you were talking trash and I know you
weren't serious, you made it look so fun, and I
was just like, I want to play d line. I
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want I'm too small, but like I wanted to be
in the trenches with you and just talk trash with you,
like you are in inspiration to all trash taggers. Let
me just say that, like that, that is you. There's
a few snippets of me talking trash to like big dudes,
big offensive linemen, and I was I was trying to
channel my inner John Rental like it just I got
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to show you one day. But yeah, like specially special
place in my heart with the talking. It was pretty
pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I'll tell you what. NFL Film made it. They
definitely made it easy.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But it was difficult at the time because when we
started doing the taping or the they was putting the
mic in my shoulder pads, I kept getting shocked and.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
They hadn't perfected it. How big was it was?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh dude, it was huge. It was like a big
old block. And if you looked some of the films,
there's like a hump in my back. It's because that's
where the mic was at. So every just put the
mic on. They would use like some duct tape and stuff,
and every once in a while, because I kept putting
water on my shoulder pads the loose and keep myself loose,
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it would come off. And occasionally they would come on
the sideline going down my shoulder pads during the game
trying to fix it and stuff and so, and that
was I'm like, I keep getting like something like sticking
or pinching me. He goes, yeah, you're getting shot, so
just part of it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But the mic was like this big in his back.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Well back then it's probably because you know, you got
just a little small things now yeah, but I mean
you were one of the first.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Features to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Like I watched eight minutes of you last night in
my hotel room, just talking trash.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Steve Young. You're called hey Stevie, Stevie, and you.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Have like you havn't full blown conversations, mostly with yourself
correct and sometimes with referees.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It was just pure entertainment.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
So did you know, like, you know what, once I
started to get good at this, now I'm going to
get more camera time I get did you or you
were not even thinking that far into it?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I wouldn't thinking that far into it. I Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
For me, I had to try to some ways be
more comfortable. So talking make me feel more comfortable, just
just trying to start a conversation with a guy because
I wanted to get his attention. You know, I still
saw my I see him. I saw myself as still
a free agent player, even though I went to Pro
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Bowls or whatever, and so when I was got somebody's attention,
I'm like, Okay, you're talking to me.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I got you. Yeah, you're talking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And uh, Usually the conversation the guy kind of got
really into it, and sometimes he just forgot what he
was doing and whatever, and so I just kept pushing it,
pushing it, pushing it.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So you would do it to try and get it,
get guys out of their game. That's what a lot
of trash talking is. Did you ever say something and
regret it? You know that was probably a little too much.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't think so, because in some ways that was
the part of it, and you got somebody who was angry.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think a lot of the best parts of it
they didn't record because I wasn't Mike. You know, I'm
just you're just going back and forth, man, going that
and stuff like with the Cowboys with Eric Williams and
Big Tackle Larry Allen Stephanosky. They knew going edit and
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you know, you just I didn't. I'm like, yeah, there's
no MIC's on me today, man. So we're just gonna
we're gonna be rated X. We're gonna go edit, We're
gonna get down to it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So do you remember the Trenton delf for story.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh yeah, yeah. So I was kind of a younger
guy on the team. So we had Henry Thomas, I
think Chris Doblin was still on the team, and they
were the leaders. So I'm kind of like like the
little say you was surrounded by some big german shepherd
and I'm like a little chihuahua and went in there
with these guys. I'm trying to So I think Henry
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got in a conversation with him or something and Trent
was like, you guys are dirty and all this and that,
and so I'm just thinking saying, we're dirty. So I'm
trying to get it. I'm trying to get to him,
and one time, i mean one of his office linees
just knocked me down on the ground and as I'm
on the ground, I'm just trying to reach up and
grab him, touch him, and I'm screaming, you know, like like
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that child that we have that's not say spoiled, but
he just just won't stop, and I'm I'm trying to
touch him.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Was he on the ground, where.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Was he standing up?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And I'm yelling at him, but he's standing up, so
you know, I'm just like touching his leg, like just
trying to touch him. Like, man, just touch you. They
said we got to touch the quarter back. I want
to touch you. He's like, don't touch me, don't touch me,
and so you know, it's be like play to be over.
And I just walk up behind me and it's like
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touch him on his back, touch him on his button,
just like touch his on You're like, h You're like,
don't touch me. So this play, I'm on the ground,
I'm trying to touch him and he looks down. He
just jumped down on me and he's like elbowing me.
Do him And I look out as he's doing it.
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I'm looking at for Therough.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Like get him off, get him.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
He got him kicked out of a game, only the
second time of quarterback's ever been ejected. Yeah, it's crazy,
and and this is what you're talking about. This is
but this is exactly why the method to your madness
is why it all works. So after this moment when
you get a quarterback kicked out, you're like ultra confident,
like what I'm doing is it worked?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No. I went back into the huddle, looked at the
guys in the huddle, thank you. I deserve an oscar
you know in me or something. It's my performance was spectacular.
And they look at you know, the guys, and he
look at you right and just shut up getting the
I'm like, man, that was spectacular.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I got him out the game. I got him out
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But you oh, dude, I was like, man, I got him.
He's gone. Yeah. I'm like, that's like a Michael Jordan
three pointer, Baby Lou.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Pure comedy, absolutely, pure comedies. Does John Rendall have a
Welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh my god, yeah, Mike, Mike, Welcome to the NFL
moment probably happened several times.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Uh, there's moments when I first got into the league.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think to me, one of the ones was my
coach Paul Wiggins at the time, I'm playing behind Dolban.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And these guys, and he says, listen.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You're a rookie and I'm glad you're on his team,
but you're not going to play. Don't expect to play
because these guys, you know, so, I'm not gonna put
you in the game on defense.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're just gonna play special teams. Okay with all right, So.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We go play Kansas City and they're doing their chance
over there and Chris doman shoelace breaks and all of
a sudden, he turns around, coach, looks at me, grabbing
me by my shoulders, leaves me to the right, leads
me to the left.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I need a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And just looking around like and he looks at me again,
drops his head and goes go in the game. I
go in the game, man, and I'm going in the game.
I'm looking back like he's gonna call me back. Man,
He's gotta call me back. I'm not supposed to be
in there. There's no confidence. But that was one of
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my moments. But my other one was going against Anthony
Munos and Jackie Slater.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean where Jackie.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
His helmet was too tight, his face and squeezing his
face and he's out there just he's doing whatever he
wanted with me. I mean, man, he threw me left
to me right all over the place, camp to sideline
to my Paul Wiggins.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Just hang on, son,
hang on.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But I was a coach.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Anthony mor same thing. He's tossing me and I'm like this.
It was like screaming out you. I'm just trying to
do something. Man. I felt like I was with an octopus.
He was I'm just silent. Just hang on, Son, just
hang on. And I'm like, man, this is the NFL, man,
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this is nothing like it.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Did it kill your confidence though or your mood when
your coach was like, hey, you're not playing this year,
just just do special teams?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Like did that? Dude?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Just like, no, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna out there.
I'm gonna be a starter.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was a guy in practice where everybody hate it.
I'm like, you know, I'm not getting any success in
on game day. I'm gonna get my success in practice.
This week I'm Derrick Thomas. Next week I'm howay long.
In practice, I'm gonna get some success. And that's why
I that time got my confidence was by doing that
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in practice. But now it didn't stop me because for
me coming into the NFL as a free agent, a
guy that wasn't supposed to be here then and you
all sudden there's a door that opened up and I
got in.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh man, I'm gonna hang on.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So John.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I mean, I love your passion and you're not disappointing
me at all.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I knew you weren't going to Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You know you came from college at Texas Valley, Texas A,
and I Texas A and I what is that the
javelin jas?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
How do you say that?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But what people don't.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Remember, don't think about. That's what Darryl Green unto Ah
where Gene Upshaw went too.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So you guys got haull of famers.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Even got Evil Longoria went there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Bro, that's big. We're dropping facts today. We'll be right back,
all right.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So understanding that you already come in, you're undrafted, what
kept you motivated? Because I don't think most people, including myself,
until I looked you up and shout out to Thomas
for doing a great job on our research team, that
you got cut from the Falcons and the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, they brought me in, but they was like, my
brother's was at Tampa and they were like, yeah, you're
not a Defenson lineman, so we're gonna try to move
you the linebacker and.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Your brother's like, bro, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, my brother was like, yeah, you can be here.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know, my brother's like you can be here, you
and I be together, hang out, And I said, man, no,
I want to be a defensive lineman. And that's in
my heart, my mind, that's why I wanted to play.
And I knew it wasn't gonna happen in Tampa, and
so I left. Basically, yeah, cut, they didn't they didn't care.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Let go ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, and that that never slows you down. It was
really all the self motivation.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Then you got the Minnesota your coach, believe in your
d line coach, and you had a couple of parameters
before you could play correct.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, I was playing. I was just mostly special team. Man.
I was on kickoff, punt, punt return, even had me
on hands team. But my job wasn't to catch.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You were definitely blocking. Yeah, yeah, that was that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And I actually got in my rookie year and on
hands team and wasgainst the Raiders and the guys like, man,
your job is to get that dude touches the ball.
He touches the ball, take him out, not take him out,
but just knock him off. So and I did, and
the dude was number eighty one.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You get a little guy, No, he's Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Tim Brown.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He got in mind right there, and I'm like, brouh,
I'm sorry, sir, this is gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you say What did you say?
Because I know you said something. I know you weren't
talking to Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I came up, man, ran down on the hands team
put that mouth piece in.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He stuck his hands up. Oh I got up.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I was like, yeah, that had to hurt. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You became a full time starter in nineteen ninety one
and you had nine and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, what did that moment feel like?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I'm out about in experience because I actually broke my
thumb and I was playing with a broke thumb with
a had the cast on, and they were like, hey,
you can play with it, or we can, you know,
put you on end the reserve. And I'm like, oh, man,
I didn't come this far just to be put on
the shelf. And I was playing with it. But it
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just pushed me to just think what I could do
if I had had my hand, and how much more
I could accomplish. But it just pushed me because at
the time, I think in the NFL most teams had
older players. It wasn't a lot of young players, and
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I was just for myself. I think I was speaking
for the young guy. And you know what, you guys
are comfortable, You had your success, and you're good with
I'm like, I'm hungry, and I'm hungry all the time,
and I just want a chance play something, and it
just it just pushed me. And I think I just
pushed myself to try to prove that a kid from
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a town of one hundred and fifty people could do
something and that I mattered. And I think that's the
message that I take with me today is that it
doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't matter who you are,
doesn't matter if you have a single parent or your
parents are two females or two males or whatever. In
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this world, even to your grandparents, you can achieve stuff
if you set your mind to it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That's what I.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Carry great point, And let's talk about how you continue
to carry on that success from nineteen ninety three to
nineteen ninety eight, where you were six straight all pros,
went to the Pro Bowl every year and you had
what ten ten plus sacks?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I think yeah, and every single of.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Those seasons seven Pro Bowls total, like, how, like what
kind of carried you through that stretch? Like when you're
on this heater, did you realize your only heater?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Na you were just I felt since I grew up
in the country and I love watching westerns, I felt
like I was that gun slinger who's going from town
to town with that reputation, and I'm like, like Clint
Eastwood is something like, bruh, I'm ready to back it up.
Whoever is the bad is in this town. Let me see.
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I want to see what you got, see what I got.
Let's go at it. And I think if I wasn't
trashed off so much, I might have got a few
extra years on maybe guys. Because I didn't, I wasn't
very popular, so guys kind of hated me with that reputation.
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And because we have guys come on the team and
some other teams go, man, you know what, I hate you,
and how would you be like.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, that's special.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I feel like Sally feels you really do like me,
And I didn't care because for me, I'm trying to
help my team win.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeh, bruh by all means matters. I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Do you think that's it's a difference in today's game.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I hear a lot of older players include my we
did not care if people hated us versus I think
now in today's football and other sports, basketball especially, these
guys are a lot more friendly. Like did you exchange
jerseys after games? That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
think any of that stuff. I need that my last
year because I knew I was going to retire. I
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knew I was on my way out, so I wanted
certain jerseys.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think back then, I mean, man, the way guys were,
they didn't care about that. I mean, man, you going
the fields. Dudes were hitting you in between the legs,
doing whatever they wanted on the ground. It was about
helping your team win. I think the guys thought was,
if you don't like me and my team is having success,
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so be it. And I was like, hey, I'm the
same way. I want my team to win. I want
to be I want our team to be as successful
as possible. And if I got to go through you,
I mean in some locker room, I was being one
of them at the time. We used to say, hey,
if my mom is the other side of the ball
and she stands with football.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm sorry, mom, but this's gonna hurt. That's just gonna hurt.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I'm sorry, Mom, I love you, but you're interfering what
I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So we all have a game where we probably think
it was our best. When I think my Tennessee game
is probably one of my best statistical games. So in
ninety six, Week four, Brett Farman ringmy Packers, you had
three and a half sacks and you forced two fumbles.
What do you think your best statistical game is?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, that's easy. That was where we watch Bruce Smith.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Go against Tony Biselli and Tony thought he really kind
of he kind of handled Bruce, and me, being a guy,
was look to this day, look up to Bruce Smith.
I'm like, man, how dare that man put his hands
on Bruce Smith. So in the defensive end, had a conversation,
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said get ready to play Tony Biselli. I said, you
don't mind, sir if I sneak out there for a
few reps on mister Boselli. I have something I need
to discuss with this man. So I jumped out there.
He wasn't expecting this to come around that corner and
I was all over mister Tony Boselli. Tony and I
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are good friends. Now we've discussed this and we have
a good relationship about this. Now okay, but I had
to do this on mister Boselli and now I upped him.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Bruh. I came out there. I was like that movie Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I was like, like Doc Holiday, I'll be a Huckleberry
say when that's my game.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And dude coming around that corner and I was ooh,
and I'm like, man, this is for Bruce. He was
trying to talk to my man, don't talk to me.
You put your hands on Bruce. That's another pass rusher.
Don't do that, man. For me, that was a game.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You're talking about other pass rushers.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Did you have, like any other friendly competition with all
the other great pass rushers.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It was Reggie White at the.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Time, Yeah, Bruce, Chris Dolman, Kevin Green, uh, you know
Greg Lloyd came about. Yeah, Yeah, all these guys were
great pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Since I had mister Chris Dolman guard rest soul Doe,
would he would teach you about past running, Like see Johnny,
look at the stats see what how everybody else is doing.
I'm like, man, y'all defensive vans, I said, I'm not
looking at that. What I would do was I would
watch other pass rushers and kind of steal their moves.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean Reggie had the hump move instead the hunk. Yeah.
Since I'm only six to one, mine was a little miniature.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Hump, a little hump.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But yeah, we we would compete. Uh. I mean tell you,
you watch them with each other, and you watch somebody play,
you know, we sit there and you watch, like, man,
this got right here, he's coming this year, he's coming.
I mean like Ken Harvey, he was outside lineback, and
man Ken was always up in there. But I'm like, man,
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if I was lined up outside, nobody over me, can
I'd get ten two? But I got to deal with
this garden. The center keeps flying to me every time.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
What was your best pastors move back?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Then?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It was called like a jabbala where I stood on outside,
hit a hard step, and as soon as I saw
the guy hands come outside, I would either kind of
do a little little mental swim or rip it inside
go inside on him. But that was one I just
tried to just whatever For me, it wasn't about my
best move. It was what that guy was having problem
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with because I would go back to the beginning of
the season or even last season to watch this guy
and see what moves he was beat on, and I
would perfect those moves for that week to be ready.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
For that guy on that little method of my madness.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Like you just said madness, there's definitely some good madness.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I liked facing Calvin Johnson, you know, Randy Moss. Those
are like the guys that I enjoyed going against those
guys being in our division. Is there a quarterback or
was there a quarterback that you like to face?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's definitely Brett Farr because he was in Wisconsin. Since
I'm in Minnesota. Yea, And Wisconsin's saying for some strange
reason they liked coming to Minnesota with that Green Bay
Packer stuff, like they were playing us that week. I'm like,
y'all not even playing us? Why are y'all even here?
You should be in Detroit. You're playing Detroit because we're
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the Green Bay Packers, and so a lot of our
fans in Minnesota are either Vikings standing or the Packer fans,
and so for me, I always wanted to represent and
I always told my Vikings, man, I'm trying to do
whatever I can since I understand because they were telling
me at the time that their husband was a packer fan.
Whatever I said this week, you're gonna appreciate me because
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I'm gonna try to do wherever I can to help
our team and help you your household.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You're gonna be the winner this week. And that's what
I tried to do.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
So when I'm gonna flip that question, was there a
quarterback that you hated to go against?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh? Hated go against? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
All the ones that just took off running like my
last few years played Michael Vick and I'm like, man,
this man right here.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This ain't right.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But did you ever have a sack on Vic?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I got him? Sure did?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, man, that was you know, me getting a sack,
And I think it was like my be the thirteenth year,
you know, getting the sack, being the older defensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And sitting down going you see that young bucks.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I got Vic, I meany y'all got on Vic old man.
But most of them, the mobile quarterbacks, they would just
take call and but I just liked for him to
a stand back there and we can run them wild
games come around the corner. Because we had to get
there because for me, my DB's who will put on
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an island?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Thank you. Hey, I gotta protect y'all, man, thank you.
That was my thing. I don't want my dvs on
an island.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It goes back to back to Texas's Friday night lights.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm like, hey, we got to get there, boys. We
owe it to our dB.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So all right, you're not only a Hall of Fame
football player, which you're also a Hall of Fame storyteller.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's been fantastic. Spectaclar is the word that you like
to use like that? Do you like that?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I want to know this and hopefully you can tell
me the story about it. Do you remember your only
NFL touchdown in your career?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, it was it's the Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That was It was after nine to eleven and we're
in New York and it was a tragic time and
I remember was taking a trip and uh, it was
just a strange time, man, you know, getting that in
New York as I'm like, I think that's something that
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I cherish too, because it's New York's. Man, it's in
New York. It's I got a touchdown. I remember telling
the youngery man, y'all see the old man again. I
got something in New York that none of the line.
You got a touchdown, but it was spectacular. I remember it.
I couldn't even hear the crowd though, Man, I couldn't
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hear the crowd. But getting on that ball amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Did you keep the ball?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I mean you accomplished so much. I can't believe you
never had another way.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, you know what, I got interception on time, tried
to score it and against the forty nine ers. But
I think for me, I have so much more to accomplish.
And it's not on the field. It's definitely off the field.
And there's just so much more I want to do too,
And uh, it's there's so much more to tell my story.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right, Well, let's talk about a little bit more of
that story. Okay, golf? Yeah, is this your new passion?
It's definitely mine. Let's let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I heard you are are you are reportedly a twelve handicap.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I am a U S G, A bro.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes, sir, okay, I'm with it to I got it.
I have no idea what is what is gin? What
is it?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What are we talking about? I'm like the listeners, We
have no idea what you guys so many.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Moss, give me a follow. You're on the outside. We're
actually inside. We'll bring me inside. I knocking, let me open.
We're gonna let you in, all right.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
The GIN is like how people track your your your handicap,
and so you record your scores after you play, after
each round you play, and it has this average about
where you are, and then that is what people use
as your handicap for when you play in tournaments. This
is how they crack how good you are. Like professionals
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are like pluses, right, we're minus?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
When did you get in the golf?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was had kind of played before a little bit
here and there. But when I got in the Hall
of Fame Steve Perry, who's the president of Hall at
the time, it took me on the course. So I'm
with the president of Hall of Fame. You know, I'm
just like, man, I just got all. He was like,
do you play golf? I go play a little bit?
You know, I have my sticks and you know. So
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we got out there and we were playing. I shot
like a ninety eight. I'm like, all right, ninety eight,
but you shoot He goes, you know, he shot like
a ninety two whatever, And I think a guy's name
was Dave Motts. Dave Motts comes up to me and goes, yeah,
you shot like a ninety eight, but you owe like
two hundred bucks. Well, see, you would last on the green,
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you would last on the fairways, and you missed this
here hold, so you was off that one and I
was on that one first, and.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Steve Perry you were. You were on that on.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
So Steve, you get twenty bucks for that, and you
owe me two hundred books. I'm like what, I'm like, okay,
gave me this two hundred bucks. And after that I
started practicing. Yeah, and I started reading this book by
Harvey Pennock, a little red book started teaching me about
golf and the strategy of golf. About most people, you
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go to range, you pull out your driver, you want
to hit boom. Well it taught me that you know
you want to you want to chip and putt because
that's where you you hit every hole.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You chip and putt. You don't normally hit your driver
every hole.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So I started learning that to the point where I
didn't even have a driver. When I first started playing.
I had a three iron, a four iron. I'm like,
don't need a driver, and people will seeing you going
you don't have a driver, Like, nah, what you got
got My three hours I'm hearing are about two thirty forty.
Then I can play that. Yeah, and you can. Man,
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you do that shot over and over. That's your percentage
right there, over and over again.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Man. I started playing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Better and better, and I like walking because it's six
miles ruh to do the amount of walkings I do
on the golf course, and the winter in Minnesota takes
me two hours on the treadmill. So, man, walking on
the golf course, it's a beautiful thing. Beautiful thing watching
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that ball when it's just.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh man, let's talk about some of the work you're
doing with the Llegenus community. Well just just tell us
what what is Allegen's community and what are you doing
with the alleged community specifically mental health?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, the Legend community is by engaging, celebrating, and educating
former players. For me, it's more than that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
For me.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
On the personal note, the Legends community is allowing me
to give back to guys who I played with. Who
the guys that say we're running games up on the
defensive line held.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A guy up and made the play. It allows me
to give back to guys.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And because for me, this game of football, man has
given me so much my wife. I met my wife
in Minnesota, and I wouldn't have had that without football.
So for me to engage guys to give back to
his game and to be able to help guys who
come from the game and have injuries or mental health problems, man,
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that's for me to help those guys out. Because being
in Minnesota, I see a lot of former players I
played with, and when we have our Legends week once
a year, guys come back. Man, you're talking to guys
that I hadn't seen in twenty some years. I'm talking
to him finding out that they have issues. And being
a guy, we always think that we don't want to
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tell what's going on with us. But a lot of
times guys will talk to the guys they played with.
They'll tell you what's going on before they tell their wives,
so before they tell their friends and family, they'll tell
from a player, And so me talking to these guys, man,
is putting them in a better place because to me,
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you give so much on that football field, your blood,
sweat and tears. Man, I want to some way give
it back to you by making it life a little
bit easier and giving you information about what's out there
that you may not know about. And I saw I
do that through the Legends community and being a part
of it is just wonderful, man, because you can come
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to somebody who's got a frown on that face, and
when you get done talking to them, they've got to
smile on the face. Man, Because when the guys see you,
they don't just see you. You bring back memories to him.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah. So man, when you talking to him, it's the brotherhood, you.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Know, John, You know we all share locker rooms, and
maybe it is that memory aspect. But I want to
ask you anyways, it's like, why do we share so
much easily with our own versus Like I was like,
we would do that, You're right. I don't know if
I've heard it put that way, but I don't know
why I was so much more open to share stories
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with you or Peanut or any other football guys walking
around than I am, sometimes with my own brother or.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Because for me, it's part like the military. When you're
in a foxhold with somebody and you spend ten to
twelve hours a day with each other, man, you get
to know each other and you're talking about stuff. And
I had so many conversations that locker room with guys
talking about their kids. I mean, Benson Lafe fish Gerald
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grew up in our locker room. Yeah, Kim Jordan grew
up in our locker room. So I have a relationship
with those guys. That's from being in that locker room.
That's from like being your neighbor, but being that neighbor
where who sits outside in his chair and he has
another chair for you. You come out here and y'all
sit and talk and the conversation goes wherever you guys
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want it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And that's that foxhole.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man. You day in, day out, you're out there balland
he was looking at each other eyes like today's not
a good day. I'm playing all right, but I wish
I was doing better. But you talk to him here, hey, man,
we in this together, bro in this together. And that's
what it's like in there. And like I said, that blood,
sweat and tears. But you share lives, man, you share
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emotional time Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Because you're practice and that's every day.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You coming in there a lot of times, guys, we'll
get together and we have conversation. And I may have
forgot about it this man. You remember when we were
hanging out and all of a sudden I was going
through something, man.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And you stayed with me. Man, But he goes, why
are you stay? Man?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
With teammates and that teammate more than just teammates, Man,
it's family. To me, that's family. And it's just like
here in Canton, everybody, each class says we're coming back.
Every year we can come back. And when you see
these guys come back, Man, it's more than just football.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's great memories, bad memories, but it's togetherness. And that's
that locker room. Outside of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, you talked about family.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
And as we did some research, we learned that one
thing that you would do is after the seasons, you
would drive all the way back to Texas. Yeah, fifteen
hours maybe longer, Yeah, all the way back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, why did you start doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because it gave me a time, a chance to reflect
over the season, reflect on things I did and things
I didn't do.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I wanted to have that time to myself because during
the football season, man, you're running round you doing this,
doing that, and it allowed me to reflect, allowed me
to drive and listen to one of my favorite bands,
you too for your YouTube.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Call him a huge.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
YouTube guy, broy Man, Joshua Tree. Come on, bro, that's
what it's like most guys on Game Baby listening to
some back Then Biggie and all this and that and
some a C d C Metallica. I'm only listen to YouTube.
Bon No, Joshua Tree. Brother, I'm just sitting there to do.
I'm not trying to get it there. I'm already there.
I'm just trying to calm it down, just trying to Yeah,
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that was me. So driving back, driving the Texas allowed
me to do that, and I enjoyed it. It was
just peaceful time, man, just from all thentness and all that.
Just to roll the windows down. Man, I'm like driving
on the old Woo. Yes, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
We're going to take a short break and we'll be
right back that earlier.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You know in the in the pod, you said you
have so much more to do.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, what did you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I don't know, but I know there's more for me coming.
I mean, like fence in Minnesota. I'm involved with charities.
My son was born, he was special needs, so we
got involved with a special needs school. We helped him
raise twenty one million dollars and didn't We didn't want
to pay any from it, but we just wanted to
help other families who might have been going through what
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we were going through with a special needs child because
we didn't know where which direction to turn. So being
able to do that, man, that just opened the door
for so many other families get involved with the first
tea program, I'm involved with, tal based Army. Uh, just
numerous charities I'm involved in Minnesota. It just allowed me
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to give back to the community that gave me so much.
And like I said, there's there's other stuff that's coming.
I don't know yet, but I know that God has
more plan for me, so I just continue on my journey.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
So I got a friend of mine that paints his
face yeah for game days, right, And it started with
just this, Yeah, then it kind of goes a little
bit down and around. Then he starts feeling in the blanks.
Now he's got dots on his head, and he just
kept going, Yeah, how did George start? Because you were
one of the first guys that I remember as like
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a black dude that was like blacked out underneath the
pace past.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
It was so because nobody just starts with the whole thing. Yeah,
so there we go, walk me through the process. Starts
under the eyes.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we just start my eyes. And so.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I had some very this is an interesting defense lineman
for sure. And one guy was from like Florida State,
and uh the name Derrick Alexander, you call him d A.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And so Die goes, Man, you know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I'm like, I hope it im. I'm sure it's gonna
be something that I'm not gonna I might may regret.
We're gonna wear fatigus to the home game. I'm like, yeah,
why shouldn't we DA, We're gonna wear for tigus. Then
he goes, you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna
put paint on like like military guys. I'm like, yeah,
why not, DA? So so then we had one guy
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from a flight from Missouri. He goes, man, I'm gonna
rub it on my chest. I'm like, yeah, you should.
I'm kind of sitting there watching him. He's rubbing it
like this. One guy just goes across the state with
some marta dude that and as I'm watching them, and
I just kind of got into my eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm like, oh my god, the you do what? What?
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
And then forgot that that rose on my face and
he turned around, Oh look at Johnny Man, that's what
you're talking about. Look at him, but look in the mirror.
So I looked at him like all right, I'm with y'all.
So I go in the game and I got like
three sacks. Man, I'm glad you got to do it.
(40:25):
You're talking about superstit. So me going, you know what,
this right here got me three? What if I do
it all over my I should get four maybe five.
So I don't get four, don't get three, I'm going,
you know what, I gotta do it again. So I
(40:46):
was like, you know what, what if I don't take
a shower for about two days? Hm hmm, I'll try that.
So no shower, Then what if I wear the same
clothes the whole week practice.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So I did that, and I'm like, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
This work, this work.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We were just like we would.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I mean, it was just I was just thinking of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, just sitting you know what. I'm like, Hey, what was.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
The Wallace superstition? You guys came up with? What do
you think the Wallace one was?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh, that's the easy one.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Now on game day and there's Mike Tice is witnessed
this one day, so Random McDaniel, Hall of Famer. He
used to get the practice early. So Random was like,
my guy, I would do what he does so he
would get to he would get the games early. So
back then they put the programs in the chairs, and
I'm like, some of these programs have bad juju, some
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have good juju. I'm like the guys who have the
most juju, the guys who don't do anything no offense
to them, the kickers and the pawners. So I would
take the guys and just rub them all over me.
And I'm rubbing all over me Random, I'm not paying attention.
Mike Tice walks in the locker room and he's witnessing me.
Just rub them all over to go, what are you doing, Mike?
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It got good juju? You want some of this good juju?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And he was so. That was one of my crazy
superstitions man.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And did it work?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
How long did you do this?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I did it every game? Man. I don't know like
any four five, just some dumb playing.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Most people.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
For those that don't know, if you've never been inside
the NFL locker room, each guy has his own superstition
or he has a way of how he gets raised.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yes, for a game, it might be socks or that,
or some people don't warm up. Some people yes.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
We had guys who just come in off the street,
put on a shirt, put on his shoulder pads.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I had to pull like water on my shoulder pad. Lose.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
We had one guy running around the locker room, go,
nobody can block me and just run around like you
have to say, I'm weird dude running around.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Nobody didn't block me. Nobody. I'm like, okay, I'd respect
everybody doing their own thing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
We're all a little OCD on game day, I will.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I had my own OSD stuff off of OCD stuff
that I used to do, and mine.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Was I got to this.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I was one of the first players to go to
the stadium like I went over with the I went
over with the trainers and the doctors. Yes, I took
a shower, gotten a cold, gotten hot up. I had
a specific trainer take my ankles. I were contacts, so
I had another specific trainer helped me with my contacts.
I waited for Langs to come over. We would go out.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
We would have to run.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Two hundred yards. Then I'll have to do certain drills.
He would do certain drills. Then we would play a game,
and then I'd go in. I'd ray, I'd warm up
a little bit, tell some myself my like, no one
can I can guard can't, no one stop me.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I can't. I can't, I can't. I can read it.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Like I was that guy. I just didn't run around
the locker room telling everybody.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I did that.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
And then I would hold certain players hands when I prayed.
I would it would have to be certain certain people
when I prayed. And then I would run out on
the field and then I would take the grass like
in Gladiator. Yes, I would take it and I would
sniff it even on turf, like I would. I would
sniff it. Let's go, And that was then I was ready.
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That was like my routine.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I had another one, which was I didn't want nobody
to touch me before the game, Like we had to
go over out there shake hands, like I can't. I
can't shake your hand. You're trying to take my juju.
I just worked on me juju in there. Down, let
your hand. I'm like, I can't do it. So but
everybody wh team knew it. They go, man, Johnny on
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like the touch.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Don't say the.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Enemy. This dude could be my best friend over there.
I'm like, I ain't talking to him. Hey you Hey,
what this game right now?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
You the enemy.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You're trying to take what we want here, we're Vikings.
They're coming to pillages from you. Do we take it
from you? Ravaging pillage with Ragna Ragnaw Lockberg coming bro.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
It's a great show too, great show, Great show, Vikings,
great show. I'm trying to think my I had a
little bit of a pregame like college, I had to
do like I had bands and I had to do
arms like that was like my things. I just wanted
to have arms gonna swollen. Had to in college. Then
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got your league not so much. Then you kind of
have like these pregame rituals. But I think my biggest
thing was that I wanted to always rode the same
bus to the stadium. Whenever we drove bus is always
robust too, and then I had to listen to certain
music going into it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
I usually like the coach on the defensive.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Side that threw the worst, the worst ball, because DB's
never get like a good solid just throwing it right
to me. So I always wanted somebody to throw like
a terrible, terrible, terrible throws to me because then you know,
you work on catching bad ball.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, it makes you better, It makes you better. Come on, yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
DB's you got to get used to catching a back bone.
So if you don't, you think it's just gonna be pretty,
you never do it never goes to.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Go to receiver.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
It there we go. So that's why that was like
a thing for me. And I did my own little
drills and then I'd run. But yeah, it was not
as much as what you guys were into. I'm very
shocked there, da.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean for me office and Linan a different defense
line office and Linman. You know that they they act
off movement, they moving, but us we move off, we
react off movement.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yes, so we all we.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Sit there and do hand slaps and stuff and all
this stuff we work on get off. You know who's
who's coming up of all the fastest. It's all about
just be high energy. You just look intense like you
know we our coach Turli, he wouldn't show you not
all the time reels of plays held go.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
We are like gazelles.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
We have to run and we have to pee you
while we were running, poop while we're running. We are
like alligating the crocodile. We gotta grab the quarterback and
spin him down because he's trying to throw the ball.
So we are part of nature, but we're a different
part of nature, and we gotta remember that. You get zelles,
you're always running, always moving, never sitting. Steal I believed it.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Man mal Rushmore. There's four You get four people. You
get four picks of people that have helped you become
the man you are today.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Who would those four people be?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh my god, thereould be uh probably Dennis Green him
a chance to really play the way I wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
He knew it even before I knew it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Did Dinnis Green tell you that?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, No, he and through John Turlink, he did. John
Thurlink was like, he goes, We're going to allow you
to be you. And I'm like, what do you mean?
He goes, We're gonna let you be you. And that's
how we presented it. And practice, I tried to perfect
my game in practice. I went forward till tell me,
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if I can't do it in practice, I can't do
it in the game. And so he allowed me to
do that. So he, Dennis Green did that. My mom
who basically when I quit football in high school because
I got tired of hitch hiking trying to trying to
play football, and she set me down, go why do
you want to quit? I said, I just want to
hang out my friends. I'm tired of trying to catch
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a ride home. And so she took me over to
the junior how to watch those kids who were playing basketball.
She goes, that's basically said, baby, that's what you want
to do. You have all the time in the world
to do that. And so I went back to football.
So my mom coach Green h and probably be Paul Wiggins,
who kept me on the team my rookie year when
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everybody else said, now you're you're I don't see anything.
Paul Wiggins, who was the head coach at Cleveland, the
head coach I think at Stanford. He was that guy.
And Paul was soft spoken even though he told me
hang on. He was the reason that I probably made
the vikings and be those people. But man, I could
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go on on my agent, who who is Who's actually
here because of another player, Eric Allen? Yeah he's Gary
is here to see Eric. And Gary helped me immensely
man from not just the football part of it, but
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financial telling me, hey, you know, hey, you need this. Yes,
So those people for me and now my wife who
I married and being retired, has really been the one
for me. Just my best friend, first time I can
talk to. She's not gonna hold back and that's what
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I appreciate. She's straightforward and for me.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Man, oh beautiful. Yeah, it's a good mountain. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
That's a good mountain.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Rushmore. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Hey man, that's that's it. You you off the hot seat.
I thank you. We can't thank you enough for just
helping us out and just really pouring in as Room
said it earlier, Master storyteller, you.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Are spectac tack it.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's well Thank you, guys. I've watched you guys, and
I appreciate what you're doing. Uh, when you guys are
doing this, man, you guys, you're not looking like you're
mad about you. You have smiles on your faces.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Well you make me laugh laugh, man, and I try
to bring enjoying to you.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, man, for real, Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
John the first time hanging bro, you are awesome and
I stayed laugh from the whole time, and hopefully all
of our viewers and listeners out there, you guys enjoyed
it just as much as we did.
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Speaker 4 (51:29):
Hey, y'all, We appreciate y'all tuning in. I'm Peanut Tillman.
This is Roman Harper Sean Randall, and this is the
NFL Player's second act podcast, We out Go
Play to be over and I just walk up behind
me and it's like touch him on his back, touch
him on his button, just like touches on. You're like, hm,
You're like, don't touch me. So display I'm on the ground.
I'm trying to touch and he looks. He just jumps
down on me and he's like elbowing me as he's
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doing it.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm looking at for the rep. We're like, get him off,
get him?
Speaker 3 (00:32):
What's up? Everybody on Peanut too mean?
Speaker 4 (00:34):
And this is the NFL Player's Second Act podcast and
with me as always my trusty co hosts, mister Roman,
show my chest, I don't shave Harper. Oh yeah, man,
I appreciate. I get my own seff a clap on that.
Thank you, that was good. I'm actually like hubs, I
would say, because i'm your golf coach for the week.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Yes, I'm trying to help my guy out.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
This has actually been very interesting because he's actually excited.
I'm excited because we got a golf for That is
a former NFL Hall of Famer on the podcast, right,
former in it. No, he is in there. He's not
a former. He is a Hall of Famer. He's a
former football player that was a Hall of Famer, but
now he's.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Just stopped talking. I got it. Look it.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
First off, let me just say, y'all have seen this man.
If you've watched NFL films, you've seen this man. He
is like the face of talking. He paints his face.
He's a world class talker. He's in the Hall of Fame.
He has one hundred and thirty seven and a half sacks,
the most by a defensive tackle. He works now with
the NFL A Leigenus community. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome
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to the pot. Mister John Redo just pop.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
You guys are good.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
All I'm gonna tell you is I just remember when
I was a kid, I used to watch the NFL
film shows and they would they would show you when
you were miked up, and you made that look fun
even though you were talking trash and I know you
weren't serious, you made it look so fun, and I
was just like, I want to play d line. I
(02:05):
want I'm too small, but like I wanted to be
in the trenches with you and just talk trash with you,
like you are in inspiration to all trash taggers. Let
me just say that, like that, that is you. There's
a few snippets of me talking trash to like big dudes,
big offensive linemen, and I was I was trying to
channel my inner John Rental like it just I got
(02:26):
to show you one day. But yeah, like specially special
place in my heart with the talking. It was pretty
pretty dope.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, I'll tell you what. NFL Film made it. They
definitely made it easy.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But it was difficult at the time because when we
started doing the taping or the they was putting the
mic in my shoulder pads, I kept getting shocked and.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
They hadn't perfected it. How big was it was?
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It?
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Oh dude, it was huge. It was like a big
old block. And if you looked some of the films,
there's like a hump in my back. It's because that's
where the mic was at. So every just put the
mic on. They would use like some duct tape and stuff,
and every once in a while, because I kept putting
water on my shoulder pads the loose and keep myself loose,
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it would come off. And occasionally they would come on
the sideline going down my shoulder pads during the game
trying to fix it and stuff and so, and that
was I'm like, I keep getting like something like sticking
or pinching me. He goes, yeah, you're getting shot, so
just part of it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
But the mic was like this big in his back.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Well back then it's probably because you know, you got
just a little small things now yeah, but I mean
you were one of the first.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Features to do that.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
Like I watched eight minutes of you last night in
my hotel room, just talking trash.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Steve Young. You're called hey Stevie, Stevie, and you.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Have like you havn't full blown conversations, mostly with yourself
correct and sometimes with referees.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
It was just pure entertainment.
Speaker 4 (03:58):
So did you know, like, you know what, once I
started to get good at this, now I'm going to
get more camera time I get did you or you
were not even thinking that far into it?
Speaker 2 (04:08):
I wouldn't thinking that far into it. I Uh.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
For me, I had to try to some ways be
more comfortable. So talking make me feel more comfortable, just
just trying to start a conversation with a guy because
I wanted to get his attention. You know, I still
saw my I see him. I saw myself as still
a free agent player, even though I went to Pro
(04:32):
Bowls or whatever, and so when I was got somebody's attention,
I'm like, Okay, you're talking to me.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I got you. Yeah, you're talking to me.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
And uh, Usually the conversation the guy kind of got
really into it, and sometimes he just forgot what he
was doing and whatever, and so I just kept pushing it,
pushing it, pushing it.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
So you would do it to try and get it,
get guys out of their game. That's what a lot
of trash talking is. Did you ever say something and
regret it? You know that was probably a little too much.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
No, No, I don't.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I don't think so, because in some ways that was
the part of it, and you got somebody who was angry.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
I think a lot of the best parts of it
they didn't record because I wasn't Mike. You know, I'm
just you're just going back and forth, man, going that
and stuff like with the Cowboys with Eric Williams and
Big Tackle Larry Allen Stephanosky. They knew going edit and
(05:33):
you know, you just I didn't. I'm like, yeah, there's
no MIC's on me today, man. So we're just gonna
we're gonna be rated X. We're gonna go edit, We're
gonna get down to it.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
So do you remember the Trenton delf for story.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh yeah, yeah. So I was kind of a younger
guy on the team. So we had Henry Thomas, I
think Chris Doblin was still on the team, and they
were the leaders. So I'm kind of like like the
little say you was surrounded by some big german shepherd
and I'm like a little chihuahua and went in there
with these guys. I'm trying to So I think Henry
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got in a conversation with him or something and Trent
was like, you guys are dirty and all this and that,
and so I'm just thinking saying, we're dirty. So I'm
trying to get it. I'm trying to get to him,
and one time, i mean one of his office linees
just knocked me down on the ground and as I'm
on the ground, I'm just trying to reach up and
grab him, touch him, and I'm screaming, you know, like like
(06:33):
that child that we have that's not say spoiled, but
he just just won't stop, and I'm I'm trying to
touch him.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Was he on the ground, where.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Was he standing up?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
And I'm yelling at him, but he's standing up, so
you know, I'm just like touching his leg, like just
trying to touch him. Like, man, just touch you. They
said we got to touch the quarter back. I want
to touch you. He's like, don't touch me, don't touch me,
and so you know, it's be like play to be over.
And I just walk up behind me and it's like
(07:04):
touch him on his back, touch him on his button,
just like touch his on You're like, h You're like,
don't touch me. So this play, I'm on the ground,
I'm trying to touch him and he looks down. He
just jumped down on me and he's like elbowing me.
Do him And I look out as he's doing it.
(07:24):
I'm looking at for Therough.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Like get him off, get him.
Speaker 4 (07:29):
He got him kicked out of a game, only the
second time of quarterback's ever been ejected. Yeah, it's crazy,
and and this is what you're talking about. This is
but this is exactly why the method to your madness
is why it all works. So after this moment when
you get a quarterback kicked out, you're like ultra confident,
like what I'm doing is it worked?
Speaker 1 (07:48):
No. I went back into the huddle, looked at the
guys in the huddle, thank you. I deserve an oscar
you know in me or something. It's my performance was spectacular.
And they look at you know, the guys, and he
look at you right and just shut up getting the
I'm like, man, that was spectacular.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
I got him out the game. I got him out
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Bro.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But you oh, dude, I was like, man, I got him.
He's gone. Yeah. I'm like, that's like a Michael Jordan
three pointer, Baby Lou.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
Pure comedy, absolutely, pure comedies. Does John Rendall have a
Welcome to the NFL moment?
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Oh my god, yeah, Mike, Mike, Welcome to the NFL
moment probably happened several times.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Uh, there's moments when I first got into the league.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I think to me, one of the ones was my
coach Paul Wiggins at the time, I'm playing behind Dolban.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
And these guys, and he says, listen.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
You're a rookie and I'm glad you're on his team,
but you're not going to play. Don't expect to play
because these guys, you know, so, I'm not gonna put
you in the game on defense.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
You're just gonna play special teams. Okay with all right, So.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
We go play Kansas City and they're doing their chance
over there and Chris doman shoelace breaks and all of
a sudden, he turns around, coach, looks at me, grabbing
me by my shoulders, leaves me to the right, leads
me to the left.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I need a defensive lineman.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
And just looking around like and he looks at me again,
drops his head and goes go in the game. I
go in the game, man, and I'm going in the game.
I'm looking back like he's gonna call me back. Man,
He's gotta call me back. I'm not supposed to be
in there. There's no confidence. But that was one of
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my moments. But my other one was going against Anthony
Munos and Jackie Slater.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
I mean where Jackie.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
His helmet was too tight, his face and squeezing his
face and he's out there just he's doing whatever he
wanted with me. I mean, man, he threw me left
to me right all over the place, camp to sideline
to my Paul Wiggins.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
I'm like, what am I supposed to do? Just hang on, son,
hang on.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
But I was a coach.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Anthony mor same thing. He's tossing me and I'm like this.
It was like screaming out you. I'm just trying to
do something. Man. I felt like I was with an octopus.
He was I'm just silent. Just hang on, Son, just
hang on. And I'm like, man, this is the NFL, man,
(10:43):
this is nothing like it.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Did it kill your confidence though or your mood when
your coach was like, hey, you're not playing this year,
just just do special teams?
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Like did that? Dude?
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Just like, no, I'm gonna show you. I'm gonna out there.
I'm gonna be a starter.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I was a guy in practice where everybody hate it.
I'm like, you know, I'm not getting any success in
on game day. I'm gonna get my success in practice.
This week I'm Derrick Thomas. Next week I'm howay long.
In practice, I'm gonna get some success. And that's why
I that time got my confidence was by doing that
(11:14):
in practice. But now it didn't stop me because for
me coming into the NFL as a free agent, a
guy that wasn't supposed to be here then and you
all sudden there's a door that opened up and I
got in.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Oh man, I'm gonna hang on.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
So John.
Speaker 4 (11:33):
I mean, I love your passion and you're not disappointing
me at all.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I knew you weren't going to Oh.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
You know you came from college at Texas Valley, Texas A,
and I Texas A and I what is that the
javelin jas?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
How do you say that?
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
But what people don't.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Remember, don't think about. That's what Darryl Green unto Ah
where Gene Upshaw went too.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
So you guys got haull of famers.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Even got Evil Longoria went there.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Bro, that's big. We're dropping facts today. We'll be right back,
all right.
Speaker 4 (12:18):
So understanding that you already come in, you're undrafted, what
kept you motivated? Because I don't think most people, including myself,
until I looked you up and shout out to Thomas
for doing a great job on our research team, that
you got cut from the Falcons and the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Yeah, they brought me in, but they was like, my
brother's was at Tampa and they were like, yeah, you're
not a Defenson lineman, so we're gonna try to move
you the linebacker and.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Your brother's like, bro, don't do that.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No, my brother was like, yeah, you can be here.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
You know, my brother's like you can be here, you
and I be together, hang out, And I said, man, no,
I want to be a defensive lineman. And that's in
my heart, my mind, that's why I wanted to play.
And I knew it wasn't gonna happen in Tampa, and
so I left. Basically, yeah, cut, they didn't they didn't care.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Let go ahead.
Speaker 4 (13:11):
Yeah, and that that never slows you down. It was
really all the self motivation.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Then you got the Minnesota your coach, believe in your
d line coach, and you had a couple of parameters
before you could play correct.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Yeah, I was playing. I was just mostly special team. Man.
I was on kickoff, punt, punt return, even had me
on hands team. But my job wasn't to catch.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
You were definitely blocking. Yeah, yeah, that was that guy.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
And I actually got in my rookie year and on
hands team and wasgainst the Raiders and the guys like, man,
your job is to get that dude touches the ball.
He touches the ball, take him out, not take him out,
but just knock him off. So and I did, and
the dude was number eighty one.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
You get a little guy, No, he's Tim Brown.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Tim Brown.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
He got in mind right there, and I'm like, brouh,
I'm sorry, sir, this is gonna hurt.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Did you say What did you say?
Because I know you said something. I know you weren't
talking to Okay.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
I came up, man, ran down on the hands team
put that mouth piece in.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He stuck his hands up. Oh I got up.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I was like, yeah, that had to hurt. Oh my god.
Speaker 4 (14:38):
You became a full time starter in nineteen ninety one
and you had nine and a half sacks.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Yeah, what did that moment feel like?
Speaker 1 (14:50):
I'm out about in experience because I actually broke my
thumb and I was playing with a broke thumb with
a had the cast on, and they were like, hey,
you can play with it, or we can, you know,
put you on end the reserve. And I'm like, oh, man,
I didn't come this far just to be put on
the shelf. And I was playing with it. But it
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just pushed me to just think what I could do
if I had had my hand, and how much more
I could accomplish. But it just pushed me because at
the time, I think in the NFL most teams had
older players. It wasn't a lot of young players, and
(15:35):
I was just for myself. I think I was speaking
for the young guy. And you know what, you guys
are comfortable, You had your success, and you're good with
I'm like, I'm hungry, and I'm hungry all the time,
and I just want a chance play something, and it
just it just pushed me. And I think I just
pushed myself to try to prove that a kid from
(15:58):
a town of one hundred and fifty people could do
something and that I mattered. And I think that's the
message that I take with me today is that it
doesn't matter where you come from, doesn't matter who you are,
doesn't matter if you have a single parent or your
parents are two females or two males or whatever. In
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this world, even to your grandparents, you can achieve stuff
if you set your mind to it.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
That's what I.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
Carry great point, And let's talk about how you continue
to carry on that success from nineteen ninety three to
nineteen ninety eight, where you were six straight all pros,
went to the Pro Bowl every year and you had
what ten ten plus sacks?
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Yeah, I think yeah, and every single of.
Speaker 4 (16:42):
Those seasons seven Pro Bowls total, like, how, like what
kind of carried you through that stretch? Like when you're
on this heater, did you realize your only heater?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Na you were just I felt since I grew up
in the country and I love watching westerns, I felt
like I was that gun slinger who's going from town
to town with that reputation, and I'm like, like Clint
Eastwood is something like, bruh, I'm ready to back it up.
Whoever is the bad is in this town. Let me see.
(17:13):
I want to see what you got, see what I got.
Let's go at it. And I think if I wasn't
trashed off so much, I might have got a few
extra years on maybe guys. Because I didn't, I wasn't
very popular, so guys kind of hated me with that reputation.
(17:34):
And because we have guys come on the team and
some other teams go, man, you know what, I hate you,
and how would you be like.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Oh, that's special.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I feel like Sally feels you really do like me,
And I didn't care because for me, I'm trying to
help my team win.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Yeh, bruh by all means matters. I'm trying to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Do you think that's it's a difference in today's game.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I hear a lot of older players include my we
did not care if people hated us versus I think
now in today's football and other sports, basketball especially, these
guys are a lot more friendly. Like did you exchange
jerseys after games? That's what I'm saying, Like, I don't
think any of that stuff. I need that my last
year because I knew I was going to retire. I
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knew I was on my way out, so I wanted
certain jerseys.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I think back then, I mean, man, the way guys were,
they didn't care about that. I mean, man, you going
the fields. Dudes were hitting you in between the legs,
doing whatever they wanted on the ground. It was about
helping your team win. I think the guys thought was,
if you don't like me and my team is having success,
(18:43):
so be it. And I was like, hey, I'm the
same way. I want my team to win. I want
to be I want our team to be as successful
as possible. And if I got to go through you,
I mean in some locker room, I was being one
of them at the time. We used to say, hey,
if my mom is the other side of the ball
and she stands with football.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm sorry, mom, but this's gonna hurt. That's just gonna hurt.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
I'm sorry, Mom, I love you, but you're interfering what
I'm supposed to be doing.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
So I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
So we all have a game where we probably think
it was our best. When I think my Tennessee game
is probably one of my best statistical games. So in
ninety six, Week four, Brett Farman ringmy Packers, you had
three and a half sacks and you forced two fumbles.
What do you think your best statistical game is?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Oh, that's easy. That was where we watch Bruce Smith.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Go against Tony Biselli and Tony thought he really kind
of he kind of handled Bruce, and me, being a guy,
was look to this day, look up to Bruce Smith.
I'm like, man, how dare that man put his hands
on Bruce Smith. So in the defensive end, had a conversation,
(20:08):
said get ready to play Tony Biselli. I said, you
don't mind, sir if I sneak out there for a
few reps on mister Boselli. I have something I need
to discuss with this man. So I jumped out there.
He wasn't expecting this to come around that corner and
I was all over mister Tony Boselli. Tony and I
(20:28):
are good friends. Now we've discussed this and we have
a good relationship about this. Now okay, but I had
to do this on mister Boselli and now I upped him.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Bruh. I came out there. I was like that movie Tombstone.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
I was like, like Doc Holiday, I'll be a Huckleberry
say when that's my game.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And dude coming around that corner and I was ooh,
and I'm like, man, this is for Bruce. He was
trying to talk to my man, don't talk to me.
You put your hands on Bruce. That's another pass rusher.
Don't do that, man. For me, that was a game.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
You're talking about other pass rushers.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
Did you have, like any other friendly competition with all
the other great pass rushers.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
It was Reggie White at the.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Time, Yeah, Bruce, Chris Dolman, Kevin Green, uh, you know
Greg Lloyd came about. Yeah, Yeah, all these guys were
great pass rushers.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Since I had mister Chris Dolman guard rest soul Doe,
would he would teach you about past running, Like see Johnny,
look at the stats see what how everybody else is doing.
I'm like, man, y'all defensive vans, I said, I'm not
looking at that. What I would do was I would
watch other pass rushers and kind of steal their moves.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
Yeah, I mean Reggie had the hump move instead the hunk. Yeah.
Since I'm only six to one, mine was a little miniature.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Hump, a little hump.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
But yeah, we we would compete. Uh. I mean tell you,
you watch them with each other, and you watch somebody play,
you know, we sit there and you watch, like, man,
this got right here, he's coming this year, he's coming.
I mean like Ken Harvey, he was outside lineback, and
man Ken was always up in there. But I'm like, man,
(22:09):
if I was lined up outside, nobody over me, can
I'd get ten two? But I got to deal with
this garden. The center keeps flying to me every time.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
What was your best pastors move back?
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Then?
Speaker 1 (22:19):
It was called like a jabbala where I stood on outside,
hit a hard step, and as soon as I saw
the guy hands come outside, I would either kind of
do a little little mental swim or rip it inside
go inside on him. But that was one I just
tried to just whatever For me, it wasn't about my
best move. It was what that guy was having problem
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with because I would go back to the beginning of
the season or even last season to watch this guy
and see what moves he was beat on, and I
would perfect those moves for that week to be ready.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
For that guy on that little method of my madness.
Speaker 4 (22:57):
Like you just said madness, there's definitely some good madness.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I liked facing Calvin Johnson, you know, Randy Moss. Those
are like the guys that I enjoyed going against those
guys being in our division. Is there a quarterback or
was there a quarterback that you like to face?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
That's definitely Brett Farr because he was in Wisconsin. Since
I'm in Minnesota. Yea, And Wisconsin's saying for some strange
reason they liked coming to Minnesota with that Green Bay
Packer stuff, like they were playing us that week. I'm like,
y'all not even playing us? Why are y'all even here?
You should be in Detroit. You're playing Detroit because we're
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the Green Bay Packers, and so a lot of our
fans in Minnesota are either Vikings standing or the Packer fans,
and so for me, I always wanted to represent and
I always told my Vikings, man, I'm trying to do
whatever I can since I understand because they were telling
me at the time that their husband was a packer fan.
Whatever I said this week, you're gonna appreciate me because
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I'm gonna try to do wherever I can to help
our team and help you your household.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
You're gonna be the winner this week. And that's what
I tried to do.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
So when I'm gonna flip that question, was there a
quarterback that you hated to go against?
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Oh? Hated go against? That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
All the ones that just took off running like my
last few years played Michael Vick and I'm like, man,
this man right here.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
This ain't right.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
But did you ever have a sack on Vic?
Speaker 2 (24:32):
I got him? Sure did?
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Yeah, man, that was you know, me getting a sack,
And I think it was like my be the thirteenth year,
you know, getting the sack, being the older defensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
And sitting down going you see that young bucks.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
I got Vic, I meany y'all got on Vic old man.
But most of them, the mobile quarterbacks, they would just
take call and but I just liked for him to
a stand back there and we can run them wild
games come around the corner. Because we had to get
there because for me, my DB's who will put on
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an island?
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Thank you. Hey, I gotta protect y'all, man, thank you.
That was my thing. I don't want my dvs on
an island.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
It goes back to back to Texas's Friday night lights.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Man.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I'm like, hey, we got to get there, boys. We
owe it to our dB.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
So all right, you're not only a Hall of Fame
football player, which you're also a Hall of Fame storyteller.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
It's been fantastic. Spectaclar is the word that you like
to use like that? Do you like that?
Speaker 4 (25:40):
I want to know this and hopefully you can tell
me the story about it. Do you remember your only
NFL touchdown in your career?
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah, it was it's the Giants.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
That was It was after nine to eleven and we're
in New York and it was a tragic time and
I remember was taking a trip and uh, it was
just a strange time, man, you know, getting that in
New York as I'm like, I think that's something that
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I cherish too, because it's New York's. Man, it's in
New York. It's I got a touchdown. I remember telling
the youngery man, y'all see the old man again. I
got something in New York that none of the line.
You got a touchdown, but it was spectacular. I remember it.
I couldn't even hear the crowd though, Man, I couldn't
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hear the crowd. But getting on that ball amazing.
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Did you keep the ball?
Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes, of course.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
I mean you accomplished so much. I can't believe you
never had another way.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Well, you know what, I got interception on time, tried
to score it and against the forty nine ers. But
I think for me, I have so much more to accomplish.
And it's not on the field. It's definitely off the field.
And there's just so much more I want to do too,
And uh, it's there's so much more to tell my story.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Right, Well, let's talk about a little bit more of
that story. Okay, golf? Yeah, is this your new passion?
It's definitely mine. Let's let's talk about it.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (27:20):
I heard you are are you are reportedly a twelve handicap.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I am a U S G, A bro.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes, sir, okay, I'm with it to I got it.
I have no idea what is what is gin? What
is it?
Speaker 2 (27:35):
What is it?
Speaker 4 (27:36):
What are we talking about? I'm like the listeners, We
have no idea what you guys so many.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Moss, give me a follow. You're on the outside. We're
actually inside. We'll bring me inside. I knocking, let me open.
We're gonna let you in, all right.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
The GIN is like how people track your your your handicap,
and so you record your scores after you play, after
each round you play, and it has this average about
where you are, and then that is what people use
as your handicap for when you play in tournaments. This
is how they crack how good you are. Like professionals
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are like pluses, right, we're minus?
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
When did you get in the golf?
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Well?
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I was had kind of played before a little bit
here and there. But when I got in the Hall
of Fame Steve Perry, who's the president of Hall at
the time, it took me on the course. So I'm
with the president of Hall of Fame. You know, I'm
just like, man, I just got all. He was like,
do you play golf? I go play a little bit?
You know, I have my sticks and you know. So
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we got out there and we were playing. I shot
like a ninety eight. I'm like, all right, ninety eight,
but you shoot He goes, you know, he shot like
a ninety two whatever, And I think a guy's name
was Dave Motts. Dave Motts comes up to me and goes, yeah,
you shot like a ninety eight, but you owe like
two hundred bucks. Well, see, you would last on the green,
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you would last on the fairways, and you missed this
here hold, so you was off that one and I
was on that one first, and.
Speaker 2 (29:13):
Steve Perry you were. You were on that on.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
So Steve, you get twenty bucks for that, and you
owe me two hundred books. I'm like what, I'm like, okay,
gave me this two hundred bucks. And after that I
started practicing. Yeah, and I started reading this book by
Harvey Pennock, a little red book started teaching me about
golf and the strategy of golf. About most people, you
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go to range, you pull out your driver, you want
to hit boom. Well it taught me that you know
you want to you want to chip and putt because
that's where you you hit every hole.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
You chip and putt. You don't normally hit your driver
every hole.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
So I started learning that to the point where I
didn't even have a driver. When I first started playing.
I had a three iron, a four iron. I'm like,
don't need a driver, and people will seeing you going
you don't have a driver, Like, nah, what you got
got My three hours I'm hearing are about two thirty forty.
Then I can play that. Yeah, and you can. Man,
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you do that shot over and over. That's your percentage
right there, over and over again.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
Man. I started playing.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Better and better, and I like walking because it's six
miles ruh to do the amount of walkings I do
on the golf course, and the winter in Minnesota takes
me two hours on the treadmill. So, man, walking on
the golf course, it's a beautiful thing. Beautiful thing watching
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that ball when it's just.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
Oh man, let's talk about some of the work you're
doing with the Llegenus community. Well just just tell us
what what is Allegen's community and what are you doing
with the alleged community specifically mental health?
Speaker 1 (30:57):
Okay, the Legend community is by engaging, celebrating, and educating
former players. For me, it's more than that.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
For me.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
On the personal note, the Legends community is allowing me
to give back to guys who I played with. Who
the guys that say we're running games up on the
defensive line held.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
A guy up and made the play. It allows me
to give back to guys.
Speaker 1 (31:21):
And because for me, this game of football, man has
given me so much my wife. I met my wife
in Minnesota, and I wouldn't have had that without football.
So for me to engage guys to give back to
his game and to be able to help guys who
come from the game and have injuries or mental health problems, man,
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that's for me to help those guys out. Because being
in Minnesota, I see a lot of former players I
played with, and when we have our Legends week once
a year, guys come back. Man, you're talking to guys
that I hadn't seen in twenty some years. I'm talking
to him finding out that they have issues. And being
a guy, we always think that we don't want to
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tell what's going on with us. But a lot of
times guys will talk to the guys they played with.
They'll tell you what's going on before they tell their wives,
so before they tell their friends and family, they'll tell
from a player, And so me talking to these guys, man,
is putting them in a better place because to me,
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you give so much on that football field, your blood,
sweat and tears. Man, I want to some way give
it back to you by making it life a little
bit easier and giving you information about what's out there
that you may not know about. And I saw I
do that through the Legends community and being a part
of it is just wonderful, man, because you can come
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to somebody who's got a frown on that face, and
when you get done talking to them, they've got to
smile on the face. Man, Because when the guys see you,
they don't just see you. You bring back memories to him.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Yeah. So man, when you talking to him, it's the brotherhood, you.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Know, John, You know we all share locker rooms, and
maybe it is that memory aspect. But I want to
ask you anyways, it's like, why do we share so
much easily with our own versus Like I was like,
we would do that, You're right. I don't know if
I've heard it put that way, but I don't know
why I was so much more open to share stories
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with you or Peanut or any other football guys walking
around than I am, sometimes with my own brother or.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Because for me, it's part like the military. When you're
in a foxhold with somebody and you spend ten to
twelve hours a day with each other, man, you get
to know each other and you're talking about stuff. And
I had so many conversations that locker room with guys
talking about their kids. I mean, Benson Lafe fish Gerald
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grew up in our locker room. Yeah, Kim Jordan grew
up in our locker room. So I have a relationship
with those guys. That's from being in that locker room.
That's from like being your neighbor, but being that neighbor
where who sits outside in his chair and he has
another chair for you. You come out here and y'all
sit and talk and the conversation goes wherever you guys
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want it.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
And that's that foxhole.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Man. You day in, day out, you're out there balland
he was looking at each other eyes like today's not
a good day. I'm playing all right, but I wish
I was doing better. But you talk to him here, hey, man,
we in this together, bro in this together. And that's
what it's like in there. And like I said, that blood,
sweat and tears. But you share lives, man, you share
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emotional time Thanksgiving, Christmas, New Year's.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Because you're practice and that's every day.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Man.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
You coming in there a lot of times, guys, we'll
get together and we have conversation. And I may have
forgot about it this man. You remember when we were
hanging out and all of a sudden I was going
through something, man.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And you stayed with me. Man, But he goes, why
are you stay? Man?
Speaker 1 (35:10):
With teammates and that teammate more than just teammates, Man,
it's family. To me, that's family. And it's just like
here in Canton, everybody, each class says we're coming back.
Every year we can come back. And when you see
these guys come back, Man, it's more than just football.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's great memories, bad memories, but it's togetherness. And that's
that locker room. Outside of the locker room.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yeah, yeah, you talked about family.
Speaker 4 (35:42):
And as we did some research, we learned that one
thing that you would do is after the seasons, you
would drive all the way back to Texas. Yeah, fifteen
hours maybe longer, Yeah, all the way back.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Yeah, why did you start doing that?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because it gave me a time, a chance to reflect
over the season, reflect on things I did and things
I didn't do.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
That.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
I wanted to have that time to myself because during
the football season, man, you're running round you doing this,
doing that, and it allowed me to reflect, allowed me
to drive and listen to one of my favorite bands,
you too for your YouTube.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Call him a huge.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
YouTube guy, broy Man, Joshua Tree. Come on, bro, that's
what it's like most guys on Game Baby listening to
some back Then Biggie and all this and that and
some a C d C Metallica. I'm only listen to YouTube.
Bon No, Joshua Tree. Brother, I'm just sitting there to do.
I'm not trying to get it there. I'm already there.
I'm just trying to calm it down, just trying to Yeah,
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that was me. So driving back, driving the Texas allowed
me to do that, and I enjoyed it. It was
just peaceful time, man, just from all thentness and all that.
Just to roll the windows down. Man, I'm like driving
on the old Woo. Yes, I enjoyed it.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
We're going to take a short break and we'll be
right back that earlier.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
You know in the in the pod, you said you
have so much more to do.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Yeah, what did you mean by that?
Speaker 4 (37:24):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
I don't know, but I know there's more for me coming.
I mean, like fence in Minnesota. I'm involved with charities.
My son was born, he was special needs, so we
got involved with a special needs school. We helped him
raise twenty one million dollars and didn't We didn't want
to pay any from it, but we just wanted to
help other families who might have been going through what
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we were going through with a special needs child because
we didn't know where which direction to turn. So being
able to do that, man, that just opened the door
for so many other families get involved with the first
tea program, I'm involved with, tal based Army. Uh, just
numerous charities I'm involved in Minnesota. It just allowed me
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to give back to the community that gave me so much.
And like I said, there's there's other stuff that's coming.
I don't know yet, but I know that God has
more plan for me, so I just continue on my journey.
Speaker 4 (38:23):
So I got a friend of mine that paints his
face yeah for game days, right, And it started with
just this, Yeah, then it kind of goes a little
bit down and around. Then he starts feeling in the blanks.
Now he's got dots on his head, and he just
kept going, Yeah, how did George start? Because you were
one of the first guys that I remember as like
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a black dude that was like blacked out underneath the
pace past.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
It was so because nobody just starts with the whole thing. Yeah,
so there we go, walk me through the process. Starts
under the eyes.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we just start my eyes. And so.
Speaker 1 (39:02):
I had some very this is an interesting defense lineman
for sure. And one guy was from like Florida State,
and uh the name Derrick Alexander, you call him d A.
Speaker 2 (39:15):
And so Die goes, Man, you know what we're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
I'm like, I hope it im. I'm sure it's gonna
be something that I'm not gonna I might may regret.
We're gonna wear fatigus to the home game. I'm like, yeah,
why shouldn't we DA, We're gonna wear for tigus. Then
he goes, you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna
put paint on like like military guys. I'm like, yeah,
why not, DA? So so then we had one guy
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from a flight from Missouri. He goes, man, I'm gonna
rub it on my chest. I'm like, yeah, you should.
I'm kind of sitting there watching him. He's rubbing it
like this. One guy just goes across the state with
some marta dude that and as I'm watching them, and
I just kind of got into my eyes.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
I'm like, oh my god, the you do what? What?
What is going on?
Speaker 1 (40:04):
And then forgot that that rose on my face and
he turned around, Oh look at Johnny Man, that's what
you're talking about. Look at him, but look in the mirror.
So I looked at him like all right, I'm with y'all.
So I go in the game and I got like
three sacks. Man, I'm glad you got to do it.
(40:25):
You're talking about superstit. So me going, you know what,
this right here got me three? What if I do
it all over my I should get four maybe five.
So I don't get four, don't get three, I'm going,
you know what, I gotta do it again. So I
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was like, you know what, what if I don't take
a shower for about two days? Hm hmm, I'll try that.
So no shower, Then what if I wear the same
clothes the whole week practice.
Speaker 2 (41:00):
So I did that, and I'm like, it is.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
This work, this work.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
We were just like we would.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
I mean, it was just I was just thinking of stuff.
Speaker 2 (41:15):
Yeah, just sitting you know what. I'm like, Hey, what was.
Speaker 4 (41:20):
The Wallace superstition? You guys came up with? What do
you think the Wallace one was?
Speaker 2 (41:24):
Oh, that's the easy one.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Now on game day and there's Mike Tice is witnessed
this one day, so Random McDaniel, Hall of Famer. He
used to get the practice early. So Random was like,
my guy, I would do what he does so he
would get to he would get the games early. So
back then they put the programs in the chairs, and
I'm like, some of these programs have bad juju, some
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have good juju. I'm like the guys who have the
most juju, the guys who don't do anything no offense
to them, the kickers and the pawners. So I would
take the guys and just rub them all over me.
And I'm rubbing all over me Random, I'm not paying attention.
Mike Tice walks in the locker room and he's witnessing me.
Just rub them all over to go, what are you doing, Mike?
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It got good juju? You want some of this good juju?
Speaker 2 (42:14):
And he was so. That was one of my crazy
superstitions man.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
And did it work?
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (42:22):
How long did you do this?
Speaker 2 (42:24):
I did it every game? Man. I don't know like
any four five, just some dumb playing.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Most people.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
For those that don't know, if you've never been inside
the NFL locker room, each guy has his own superstition
or he has a way of how he gets raised.
Speaker 3 (42:44):
Yes, for a game, it might be socks or that,
or some people don't warm up. Some people yes.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:52):
We had guys who just come in off the street,
put on a shirt, put on his shoulder pads.
Speaker 2 (42:58):
I had to pull like water on my shoulder pad. Lose.
Speaker 1 (43:02):
We had one guy running around the locker room, go,
nobody can block me and just run around like you
have to say, I'm weird dude running around.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
Nobody didn't block me. Nobody. I'm like, okay, I'd respect
everybody doing their own thing.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
We're all a little OCD on game day, I will.
Speaker 4 (43:24):
I had my own OSD stuff off of OCD stuff
that I used to do, and mine.
Speaker 3 (43:30):
Was I got to this.
Speaker 4 (43:31):
I was one of the first players to go to
the stadium like I went over with the I went
over with the trainers and the doctors. Yes, I took
a shower, gotten a cold, gotten hot up. I had
a specific trainer take my ankles. I were contacts, so
I had another specific trainer helped me with my contacts.
I waited for Langs to come over. We would go out.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
We would have to run.
Speaker 4 (43:51):
Two hundred yards. Then I'll have to do certain drills.
He would do certain drills. Then we would play a game,
and then I'd go in. I'd ray, I'd warm up
a little bit, tell some myself my like, no one
can I can guard can't, no one stop me.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
I can't. I can't, I can't. I can read it.
Speaker 4 (44:08):
Like I was that guy. I just didn't run around
the locker room telling everybody.
Speaker 3 (44:12):
I did that.
Speaker 4 (44:13):
And then I would hold certain players hands when I prayed.
I would it would have to be certain certain people
when I prayed. And then I would run out on
the field and then I would take the grass like
in Gladiator. Yes, I would take it and I would
sniff it even on turf, like I would. I would
sniff it. Let's go, And that was then I was ready.
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That was like my routine.
Speaker 1 (44:36):
I had another one, which was I didn't want nobody
to touch me before the game, Like we had to
go over out there shake hands, like I can't. I
can't shake your hand. You're trying to take my juju.
I just worked on me juju in there. Down, let
your hand. I'm like, I can't do it. So but
everybody wh team knew it. They go, man, Johnny on
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like the touch.
Speaker 2 (45:00):
Don't say the.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
Enemy. This dude could be my best friend over there.
I'm like, I ain't talking to him. Hey you Hey,
what this game right now?
Speaker 2 (45:12):
You the enemy.
Speaker 1 (45:13):
You're trying to take what we want here, we're Vikings.
They're coming to pillages from you. Do we take it
from you? Ravaging pillage with Ragna Ragnaw Lockberg coming bro.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
It's a great show too, great show, Great show, Vikings,
great show. I'm trying to think my I had a
little bit of a pregame like college, I had to
do like I had bands and I had to do
arms like that was like my things. I just wanted
to have arms gonna swollen. Had to in college. Then
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got your league not so much. Then you kind of
have like these pregame rituals. But I think my biggest
thing was that I wanted to always rode the same
bus to the stadium. Whenever we drove bus is always
robust too, and then I had to listen to certain
music going into it.
Speaker 3 (46:03):
I usually like the coach on the defensive.
Speaker 4 (46:06):
Side that threw the worst, the worst ball, because DB's
never get like a good solid just throwing it right
to me. So I always wanted somebody to throw like
a terrible, terrible, terrible throws to me because then you know,
you work on catching bad ball.
Speaker 3 (46:19):
Yeah, it makes you better, It makes you better. Come on, yeah, yeah, because.
Speaker 4 (46:23):
DB's you got to get used to catching a back bone.
So if you don't, you think it's just gonna be pretty,
you never do it never goes to.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
Go to receiver.
Speaker 4 (46:32):
It there we go. So that's why that was like
a thing for me. And I did my own little
drills and then I'd run. But yeah, it was not
as much as what you guys were into. I'm very
shocked there, da.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
I mean for me office and Linan a different defense
line office and Linman. You know that they they act
off movement, they moving, but us we move off, we
react off movement.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
Yes, so we all we.
Speaker 1 (46:56):
Sit there and do hand slaps and stuff and all
this stuff we work on get off. You know who's
who's coming up of all the fastest. It's all about
just be high energy. You just look intense like you
know we our coach Turli, he wouldn't show you not
all the time reels of plays held go.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
We are like gazelles.
Speaker 1 (47:18):
We have to run and we have to pee you
while we were running, poop while we're running. We are
like alligating the crocodile. We gotta grab the quarterback and
spin him down because he's trying to throw the ball.
So we are part of nature, but we're a different
part of nature, and we gotta remember that. You get zelles,
you're always running, always moving, never sitting. Steal I believed it.
Speaker 4 (47:43):
Man mal Rushmore. There's four You get four people. You
get four picks of people that have helped you become
the man you are today.
Speaker 3 (47:52):
Who would those four people be?
Speaker 1 (47:55):
Oh my god, thereould be uh probably Dennis Green him
a chance to really play the way I wanted to play.
Speaker 2 (48:04):
He knew it even before I knew it.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
Did Dinnis Green tell you that?
Speaker 1 (48:08):
Well, No, he and through John Turlink, he did. John
Thurlink was like, he goes, We're going to allow you
to be you. And I'm like, what do you mean?
He goes, We're gonna let you be you. And that's
how we presented it. And practice, I tried to perfect
my game in practice. I went forward till tell me,
(48:29):
if I can't do it in practice, I can't do
it in the game. And so he allowed me to
do that. So he, Dennis Green did that. My mom
who basically when I quit football in high school because
I got tired of hitch hiking trying to trying to
play football, and she set me down, go why do
you want to quit? I said, I just want to
hang out my friends. I'm tired of trying to catch
(48:51):
a ride home. And so she took me over to
the junior how to watch those kids who were playing basketball.
She goes, that's basically said, baby, that's what you want
to do. You have all the time in the world
to do that. And so I went back to football.
So my mom coach Green h and probably be Paul Wiggins,
who kept me on the team my rookie year when
(49:13):
everybody else said, now you're you're I don't see anything.
Paul Wiggins, who was the head coach at Cleveland, the
head coach I think at Stanford. He was that guy.
And Paul was soft spoken even though he told me
hang on. He was the reason that I probably made
the vikings and be those people. But man, I could
(49:37):
go on on my agent, who who is Who's actually
here because of another player, Eric Allen? Yeah he's Gary
is here to see Eric. And Gary helped me immensely
man from not just the football part of it, but
(49:59):
financial telling me, hey, you know, hey, you need this. Yes,
So those people for me and now my wife who
I married and being retired, has really been the one
for me. Just my best friend, first time I can
talk to. She's not gonna hold back and that's what
(50:22):
I appreciate. She's straightforward and for me.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Man, oh beautiful. Yeah, it's a good mountain. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
That's a good mountain.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Rushmore. Thank you.
Speaker 4 (50:33):
Hey man, that's that's it. You you off the hot seat.
I thank you. We can't thank you enough for just
helping us out and just really pouring in as Room
said it earlier, Master storyteller, you.
Speaker 3 (50:45):
Are spectac tack it.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
That's well Thank you, guys. I've watched you guys, and
I appreciate what you're doing. Uh, when you guys are
doing this, man, you guys, you're not looking like you're
mad about you. You have smiles on your faces.
Speaker 2 (51:01):
Man.
Speaker 4 (51:01):
Well you make me laugh laugh, man, and I try
to bring enjoying to you.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
Yeah, man, for real, Man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (51:07):
John the first time hanging bro, you are awesome and
I stayed laugh from the whole time, and hopefully all
of our viewers and listeners out there, you guys enjoyed
it just as much as we did.
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You know what side of your dog?
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